Re: on the Mark

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Aaahhhh the end of the season sounds so merciful....

DanF 

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "bird" <birdw@mac.com>
To: <Celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: on the Mark


> > From : "Berry, Mark  S" < berrym@xxxxxxxxxxxx >
> 
> > Bird wrote:
> >
> > [sarcasm] Nope, all those stats and evidence and such only get in the 
> > the
> > way. I'm much more interested in the subjective impressions of people I
> > don't even know. All this discourse that relies on evidence to 
> > convince the
> > audience is a bunch of hoo-hah. [/sarcasm]
> >
> > ******You don't want subjective impressions of people you don't know? 
> > Then
> > go study stat sheets, because you're in the wrong place. This is a 
> > list for
> > subjective impressions. What you really mean, of course, is you're not
> > interested in subjective impressions of people you don't agree with. 
> > But
> > that's just my subjective impression.
> 
> Sarcasm, Mark.  Sarcasm.  What I want is for people to bring up 
> evidence when they say things sometimes.  I was responding to your 
> comment about Kestas not needing stats.  No, I guess he doesn't *need* 
> them, but it makes it more convincing.  In the end, you're right, it's 
> all boils down to subjectivity because we're all different people with 
> differing viewpoints, etc.
> 
> > *******Ah, you didn't read the article, but you're annoyed at the
> > speculation and lack of coherent information... Again, sounds like 
> > you're
> > annoyed by the lack of information that you agree with. I tell you 
> > what, as
> > soon as you find that complimentary piece on the courageous, 
> > warrior-like
> > Vin Baker, why don't you post it to the list and straighten everything 
> > out?
> > I'd restate my point about the media (not email lists) drawing 
> > attention to
> > Wallace's failings, but I suspect you got it the first time.
> 
> You're right, I am annoyed by the lack of information supporting Vin 
> Baker, but I'm also annoyed at the speculation.  We really don't know 
> what's going on, but a lot of us think we do.  And I don't think 
> "posting it to the list" is going to "straighten everything out".  You 
> seem to be one of those who thinks this list has some sort of power in 
> the "real world", and I just wonder what form that may take.  If any.  
> True, the media may influence the new owners' decision on what to do, 
> but I suspect they have their own end-of-the-season plan already in 
> mind.  Maybe not, though.
> 
> "Drawing attention to Wallace's failings" is a bit like saying 
> "pointing out the Devil's foibles", isn't it?  No one is saying Chris 
> Wallace is a good GM.
> 
> > And Bird wrote some more:
> >
> > No offense, but when I get that old, I'm just gonna go off in a corner 
> > and
> > shoot myself. And y'all talk about us not "accepting reality"?
> >
> > *******Oh, for a time machine.
> >
> > There are a lot of great people on this list. Most agree on some 
> > things and
> > disagree on others-strongly. And that's great. Then there are a few 
> > who are
> > patronizing, condescending asses. Congratulations, Bird, on being one 
> > of the
> > few, the proud...
> 
> No problem.  In the same vein, I enjoy your viewpoint that anyone who 
> disagrees with you is either blind or stupid or an ass.  Gene can say 
> that he won't renew his League Pass until Antoine Walker retires, but 
> no one can respond in a similar, over-the-top, way?  Because only 
> outrageous statements that *you* agree with can be taken seriously, 
> perhaps?  My point was that, if I ever get so "old" (or fed up, with, 
> or whatever) as to not want to watch the team, I'd rather end my 
> (basketball) existence.  Gene must be pretty fed up, and that's ok, but 
> it kinda seems silly to me to base your watching the team you're a fan 
> of because of one guy.  One guy who doesn't seem that bad to me.
> 
> I like your postings, Mark.  When they are less full of just plain 
> bitching and whining (though, obviously, we're all entitled to our 
> share of that) and more of your peculiar (and informative) slant on 
> basketball and the Celtics.   If you don't like mine, that's your damn 
> problem.
> 
> Paul Gaston delenda est.
> 
> Bird