Re: Wallace has a short memory

["Lance Jacobson" <lancejacob@xxxxxxxxx>]

I predicted 45 wins for the team as they begin the season learning to adjust
to 20 min with a low post presence that can score, has scored, even against
the bigger and stronger players in the West.

I use the captains together as an example of selfishness, but in many games
last year, Walker played the role of distributor and could be said that he
"gets it".  Then, in typical Walker fashion, he'll fire up a half dozen
threes in 10 minutes and negate the kudos.

Unfortunately, Pierce has not shown me that he ever gets it.  His offense
consists of long and forced threes, or drives under, over and through three
defenders--the more the better the film.  Ever since he went up around
Alonzo to win a game with a layup, he's decided he's unstoppable.

I'm not in the mood for crow.  If he passes, early and often this season,
and the Celts get off to a 10-10 start, we should end up with 50 wins
provided none of our guns get hurt.  I'll only eat crow if we start playing
team offense, using Baker and hopefully Battie instead of counting on
Shammond's shooting touch.  Bremer's a nice story, but he's not dazzled
enough folks paid to know these things.  And if Delk comes back healthy,
he's still inconsistent, a risk in tune with pulling the goalie.

I just want to see good team basketball, and hope to see some bright
potential from Sundov, because we'll eventually need some size to face the
Western teams. . .especially in the Finals.  :)
----- Original Message -----
From: "JB" <jimmetz@mac.com>
To: "Celtics List" <Celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 6:15 AM
Subject: Re: Wallace has a short memory


> Lance;
> You've gotten a lot of mileage with the premise that we have lead
> players who care about stats., more than winning. This theory is soon
> to be tested in reality. My guess is, that as long as the team is
> competitive, the will to win is much stronger. It's only when things
> break down, as they did when Pitino ball didn't work at this level, the
> players throw in the "team towel."
> O'Brien has given them a defense, which will keep them in the hunt. My
> fear, that without a point guard, things could break down again, may
> also be baseless.
> My hope, for the success of this team is that Shammond Williams is a
> better ball handler than his reputation, through lack of playing time,
> has shown.
> Let the games begin and let the selfless actions on the floor, give us
> both large plates of stuffed crow  to eat at the championship banquet.
>
> >
> JB
>
> Unchain My Heart !
>
>
>
> On Sunday, October 6, 2002, at 06:27  PM, Lance Jacobson wrote:
>
> > Jim, you're pretty close.  How about moving Walker to Tuscaloosa,
> > Pierce to
> > Santa Fe, Baker to Hartford and Fortson to Parole Officer.
> >
> > Why not just move everybody someplace else and PRAY that they behave
> > as you
> > wish?  Because Walker won't, Pierce won't and the other two can't.
> >
> > Your assumptions on the offense include that certain people on certain
> > positions will move into scoring range in order to accept a pass and
> > finish
> > for easy points.
> >
> > Don't you think the coach knows that?  He does, and realizes that no
> > available point guard can convince these guys to move. she he got a PF
> > that
> > can.  Next year's offense will add the third element.
> >
> > Meanwhile, I hope you're happy that you've got Kidd, Pierce, Bryant,
> > Duncan
> > and Shaq on your fantasy team.  Now if you can only get someone to
> > join the
> > league WITH you, you'll have a season.
> >
> > The Celts don't only need talent, Jim, they need to learn how to play
> > the
> > game.  Next year, they'll have a PG who can play when the captains
> > learn to
> > give up the ball.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James A. Hill" <jahill@leasingservice.com>
> > To: "Celtics (E-mail)" <celtics@igtc.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 5:06 PM
> > Subject: FW: Wallace has a short memory
> >
> >
> >> JB,  I agree in the need for a PG.  I so much prefer the more
> >> traditional
> >> style PG like Stockton/Kidd.
> >>
> >> Move Walker to SF, Baker to PF, PP to SG and get me a real PG any day.
> > This
> >> is one reason I thought they should trade for Fortson and pick up
> >> Best.
> >> Then you have Best at 1, PP at 2, Walker at 3, Fortson at 4,
> >> Baker/Battie
> > at
> >> 5.  This is a team that I could love.
> >>
> >> Until then?  A real shooting PG may be what we need for now until we
> >> can
> > get
> >> a top flight guy at the 1.
> >>
> >> Have a great day!  <Jim
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: JB [mailto:jimmetz@mac.com]
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 10:41 PM
> >> To: James A. Hill
> >> Subject: Re: Wallace has a short memory
> >>
> >>
> >> Yeah, Jim, I see what you are saying, but in my mind, any point guard
> >> is better than none. I don't like the reins of the offense in the
> >> hands
> >> of a player (Walker) who loves to shoot.
> >> As I've written in the past, as great a player as Tommy Heinsohn was,
> >> they had Cousy to get him the ball, in the right position on the floor
> >> and at the right time, when they needed him to  score. If they had
> >> left
> >> the decision to shoot, or not to shoot, in "Tommygun's" hands, I doubt
> >> there would have been so many titles, or Tommy would have been in the
> >> Hall of Fame.
> >> When Antoine, or Paul can shoot at a % closer to 50% than 40%,without
> >> a true point guard, I might change my tune, but until then, I want to
> >> see the play maker make plays and the shooters shoot. I want to see
> >> all
> >> of our scoring options explored and more easy baskets than I see this
> >> type of offense generating.
> >>
> >>> JB
> >>>
> >>> Unchain My Heart !
> >>
> >> On Saturday, October 5, 2002, at 04:57  PM, James A. Hill wrote:
> >>
> >>> But Joe has a valid point when you consider that a "great" point just
> >>> isn't
> >>> available to us right now.
> >>>
> >>> There is only 4-5 anywhere in the NBA and they won't be traded here
> >>> unless
> >>> Pierce or Walker + others is included in the trade.
> >>>
> >>> Another year or two is my guess.  If they keep winning it will be
> >>> easier to
> >>> get that free agent who wants a run at the ring.
> >>>
> >>> Wouldn't you just love to see a Stockton/Kidd/etc..  run these guys?
> >>>
> >>> <Jim
> >>>
> >>> On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 06:31  PM, hironaka@nomade.fr
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> The correct thing for management to do was to go get
> >>>> someone who would stay the heck out of the way: play
> >>>> defense, shoot without hesitation when open, and never
> >>>> fiddle and diddle extra seconds off the clock before
> >>>> giving the stars the damn ball. Spend your cap money
> >>>> someplace else.
> >>>>
> >>> Joe H.
> >>> *******************
> >>> I'm not buying it, Joe. We watched that plan last season, when
> >>> Palacio
> >>> had the role. As good as Walker and Pierce are, as capable of
> >>> "getting
> >>> their own shots off," they can be stopped.  A great point guard would
> >>> make it harder to stop them, by making threats out of the other
> >>> players.
> >>> Yes, with the score tied and ten seconds left, you give the ball to
> >>> your "go-to-guy," to work his man and/or, go to the hoop, to look
> >>> for a
> >>> foul, but if you don't balance your offense, to keep the defense
> >>> honest
> >>> and allow your star to be strong for the 4th quarter burst, the team
> >>> suffers.
> >>> I'll also contend, that very few players are able to keep on their
> >>> toes, defensively, if they are playing flat footed on offense.
> >>> Yes,many of  the early Celtic championships came with Sam Jones at
> >>> the
> >>> point, but he/they learned movement and unselfishness from Cousy.
> >>> Sure
> >>> the mid eighties Bird teams had D.J. at point, but it was "Tiny"
> >>> Archibald that taught Bird team play.
> >>> I've heard so many times,that because of Jordan or Shaq, winning
> >>> championships without a point guard, that it may be better not to
> >>> have
> >>> one. Rubbish, I say and particularly, if you don't have Jordan or
> >>> Shaq,
> >>> that distributing, unselfish, leader of the offense, can come in
> >>> mighty
> >>> handy.