Fwd: [Celtics' Stuff Re: kestas reply

[Jim Metz <james.metz@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

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> From: musty_joe <mustyceltic@att.net>
> Date: Tue Jun 04, 2002  07:04:33 PM US/Eastern
> To: Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff Re: kestas reply
> Reply-To: Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com
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> JB relays from Kestas:
>
>
> <No, he's not. Here, I "traded" Kenny to the Clippers for the 12th pick
> in the
>      draft:
>      Kestas
>
>      Boston trades: PG Kenny Anderson (9.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.0
> minutes)
>      Change in team outlook: -9.6 ppg, -3.6 rpg, and -5.3 apg.
>
>      TRADE ACCEPTED
>
>      Due to all teams being under the cap, the 15% trade rule is not
> invoked. No
>      team had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given
> out for the
>      trade to be accepted. This trade satisfies the provisions of the
> Collective
>      Bargaining Agreement. >
>
> This in no way can be right. Boston is NOT under the cap; we are OVER
> the cap.
>
> Moreover, a player can NOT be traded for a draft pick. There has to be
> salary involved; a salary resultant from a contract. And a salary is not
> involved for a "pick", either before the draft OR after the draft, until
> the draftee has a signed contract. See Q/A 62 in the FAQ, and scroll
> down to last paragraph in 62. Here, I pasted it:
>
> <<Draft picks have zero trade value for salary matching purposes.  This
> applies both before the draft, and after the draft but
> before the player is signed. >>
>
> I do not figure how realGM could have reported this out-unless they are
> aware of a "hook and crook" in the FAQ that I don't know of.
>
> My knowledge of the FAQ is certainly not infallible, however, I suspect
> an error in realGM's workup shown. I suspect we should turn to Larry
> Coon on this : email addy is below. Larry Coon was one of the co-authors
> for getting up the FAQ arising out of the collective bargaining
> agreement that ended the lockout. Lockout began in 1998. Agreement
> arrived early in '99, and 98-99 season began (50 games) I believe in
> early Feb. '99.
>
> Larry Coon  (email)  <lmcoon@cox.net >
>
> The URL for the FAQ :  <http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap>
>
> I felt I have a right to defend what I believe to be true. (btw) If we
> could trade Kenny for a number 12 pick, Kenny due for around 9-10
> million this coming final year of contract: then that would give the Cs
> a reduction of millions of dollars enough, to put them well UNDER the
> cap, even after the incoming rookie's salary is figured in. What league
> is going to allow a team to get under the cap THAT way? It confounds
> common sense. Why, looking this way, don't we trade Walker for the
> coming number 1 pick; or Pierce for the coming number 2 pick? "The
> Mother of all ridiculous".
>
> (OH BOY)--now I guess I have started a thread here... 'scuse.  :)
>
> musty celtic (Joe)
>
>
>
>
> Jim Metz wrote:
> >
> > Kestas,
> >
> > The below explanation states that: "Due to all teams being under the
> cap, the 15% trade rule is not invoked." Could that mean that after
> trading Kenny, we were under? In the first scenario we took back
> contracts, which perhaps kept us over.
> > JB
> >
> > On Tuesday, June 4, 2002, at 04:58 PM, Kestutis Kveraga wrote:
> >
> >      --- You (JB) wrote:
> >      OK, Joe, as usual, you are right. Both teams have to be under the
> >      cap. Glad we have you here, to bring me back to reality. In
> order for
> >      that trade to work, there would have to be a sign and trade,
> with the
> >      Clippers signing both to new contracts which would match up, with
> >      Anderson and Potapenko.
> >      --- end of quote ---
> >
> >      No, he's not. Here, I "traded" Kenny to the Clippers for the
> 12th pick in the
> >      draft:
> >      Kestas
> >
> >      Boston trades: PG Kenny Anderson (9.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 5.3 apg in
> 32.0 minutes)
> >      Change in team outlook: -9.6 ppg, -3.6 rpg, and -5.3 apg.
> >
> >      TRADE ACCEPTED
> >
> >      Due to all teams being under the cap, the 15% trade rule is not
> invoked. No
> >      team had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary
> given out for the
> >      trade to be accepted. This trade satisfies the provisions of the
> Collective
> >      Bargaining Agreement.
>
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