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Begin forwarded message:
> From: musty_joe <mustyceltic@att.net>
> Date: Tue Jun 04, 2002 09:16:22 AM US/Eastern
> To: Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff Re: kestas reply
> Reply-To: Celticsstuffgroup@yahoogroups.com
>
> Jim wrote:
>
> <Since the Clippers are under the cap, the salaries wouldn't have to
> match, >
>
> Hunh? Given I may have missed something in the *salary cap FAQ* for the
> league: but what gives with the idea that the salaries don't have to
> match (within the always parameters of 115% difference plus 100,000
> dollars), just because one team is under the cap? I admit I may have
> missed a "clause" in the FAQ, and I highly appreciate someone putting me
> straight ? ?
>
> Run this proposed trade through realGM and see what they say, about
> clauses I may have missed. :)
>
musty celtic (Joe)
***********************
OK, Joe, as usual, you are right. Both teams have to be under the
cap. Glad we have you here, to bring me back to reality. In order for
that trade to work, there would have to be a sign and trade, with the
Clippers signing both to new contracts which would match up, with
Anderson and Potapenko.
L.A. Clippers trades: C Michael Olowokandi (11.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.1
apg in 32.1 minutes)
PG Jeff McInnis (14.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 6.2 apg in 37.4 minutes)
L.A. Clippers receives: C Vitaly Potapenko (4.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.4
apg in 17.0 minutes)
PG Kenny Anderson (9.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.0 minutes)
Change in team outlook: -11.5 ppg, -3.5 rpg, and -1.6 apg.
Boston trades: C Vitaly Potapenko (4.6 ppg, 4.4 rpg, 0.4 apg in 17.0
minutes)
PG Kenny Anderson (9.6 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 5.3 apg in 32.0 minutes)
Boston receives: C Michael Olowokandi (11.1 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 1.1 apg in
80 games)
PG Jeff McInnis (14.6 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 6.2 apg in 81 games)
Change in team outlook: +11.5 ppg, +3.5 rpg, and +1.6 apg.
TRADE DECLINED
Due to Boston being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Boston
had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for
the trade to be accepted, which did not happen here. This trade does not
satisfy the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
You have been assigned Trade ID number 605033
Copyright ) 2000-2001 Real General Manager Inc. All rights reserved.
JB
Unchain My Heart!
**************************************
>
> Jim Metz wrote:
> >
> > On Monday, June 3, 2002, at 10:16 PM, Kestutis Kveraga wrote: (See
> full text below)
> >
> > They surely can afford to move Kenny, and I would hope they do. His
> value
> > will never be
> > any higher than it is now, and I don't believe his role on this team
> has been
> > an overly positive
> > one. He played good D, made a few nice passes, brought the ball up
> under
> > pressure, and hit
> > a few shots. Cook / Delk should be able to do just as much; adn with
> all the
> > money we would
> > free up, we could sign Strick, Walter, and maybe somebody who "slips
> through
> > the cracks" like
> > Strickland did.
> > Mark Berry
> > ******************
> > "We would have to take about the same amount of salary back, unless
> Kenny was
> > traded to a team under the salary cap."
> > Kestas
> > ***************
> > Unless we traded him for a pick, no?
> > Mark
> > **********
> > Or, both.
> > I first proposed the possibility of trading Anderson, at
> "CelticsStuff." (shameless plug) I think someone pulled the concept
> from there.
> > My scenario for trading him, was to the Clippers, who are under the
> cap, but would also entail us receiving a salary commensurate with
> Anderson's.
> > The proposal was for Olowakandi, who wants the maximum, or close to
> it. My idea and phantasy it may be, was that the Clippers don't want to
> get stuck with any long term max contracts, let alone the two or three
> that are coming up next season. They have two free agents now: Point
> guard, McGinnis (making 650,000, but would want a couple million, at
> least) and Olo.
> > Since the Clippers are under the cap, the salaries wouldn't have to
> match, we would have more flexibility,in signing the players, but
> eventually, would have to pay the two players pretty close to what
> Vitaly and Kenny would be making here. Sterling might like a long term,
> mid-sized contract, like Vitaly, Philly's first round pick next year
> and Kenny's expiring salary. The Clippers could draft a point guard
> this season, let him learn under Kenny and then use Anderson's salary
> allocation, for Elton Brand, next sumer. They don't let Olowakandi walk
> for nothing, but they don't wind up with too many max players, for
> Sterling's wallet.
> > While we might miss Anderson (Mark, I think you way underestimate his
> contribution, if you agree with me that the team played better, when he
> was allowed to create and often, early in games he would get baskets
> for all five starters, instead of Antoine demanding the pass at half
> court, but that's an argument for another day), getting a potentially
> dominant center and a scrappy young point guard, without spending a
> penny more on salary, would be huge.
> > As I said, this is phantasy stuff, but the concept of trading
> Anderson, who's expiring salary makes him more valuable, to cheap teams
> like the Clippers, or another team that wants to make an offer for
> Duncan, or Kidd, or O'Neil, etc., next summer, might be appealing to
> some team and we would get to use his money slot, for an impact player,
> a season early.
> > JB
> >
> > Unchain My Heart!
> >
> > From: Kestutis.Kveraga@dartmouth.edu (Kestutis Kveraga)
> > Date: Mon Jun 03, 2002 09:57:22 PM US/Eastern
> > To: celtics@igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: Mark Berry's points
> > Reply-To: Kestutis.Kveraga@dartmouth.edu (kestas)
> >
> > --- You wrote:
> > I think the team knows that, and will pay to keep him here. I still
> don't
> > understand why
> > we can't offer him a three or four year, heavily back-loaded
> contract, that
> > just pays 1 mil
> > or so the first year.
> > --- end of quote ---
> >
> > They surely can afford to move Kenny, and I would hope they do. His
> value
> > will never be
> > any higher than it is now, and I don't believe his role on this team
> has been
> > an overly positive
> > one. He played good D, made a few nice passes, brought the ball up
> under
> > pressure, and hit
> > a few shots. Cook / Delk should be able to do just as much; adn with
> all the
> > money we would
> > free up, we could sign Strick, Walter, and maybe somebody who "slips
> through
> > the cracks" like
> > Strickland did.
> > Mark
> > **********************
> > We would have to take about the same amount of salary back, unless
> Kenny was
> > traded to a team under the salary cap.
> > Kestas
> > ******************
> > Unless we traded him for a pick, no?
> > Mark
> > *************
> > Insofar as I know, it doesn't make any difference : if the team
> you're trading
> > with is over the cap (and most are) they can't take back more than
> 115% + $100K
> > of the salary they're trading, unless the player they are receiving
> is a
> > minimum salary player. Since a draft pick counts for $0 against the
> cap until
> > he's signed, you could trade a non-minimum salary player for a pick
> only to a
> > team under the cap (or get one involved in a multi-way trade).
> > Kestas
>
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