Re: Re:

["Dan Forant" <dforant1@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Like Joe H says, we'll have to wait for the trade to play itself out to see
the numbers and bodies moved. It could be a diamond in the rough. I'm
hopeful.

DanF


----- Original Message -----
From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
To: "Celtic igtc list (E-mail)" <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Re:


> But Joe, this Vin Baker trade isn't dictated by a cheap owner. Losing
Rodney
> Rogers, yes. Trading for Vin Baker? No.
>
> This is a basketball decision, as ludicrous as that seems. This is Chris
> Wallace, Jim O'Brien and Leo Papile actually believing that Vin Baker and
> his gargantuan contract (and gargantuan rear end) make this team better.
If
> this was about finances, there's no way they trade for Vin Baker. This is
> about complete incompetence.
>
> Not everyone on the list is a Red Sox fan. Some of us (at least one of us)
> are Reds and Bengals fans. We already know how it feels to root for teams
> you know aren't going to be very good, and to root for teams you know
won't
> spend money to improve. But this isn't about that.
>
> This is like the Mets trading for Mo Vaughn, believing all he needs is to
> move east and he'll reverse the aging (and eating) process and become an
MVP
> again. Only the Mets don't have a salary cap strangling them for the
> remainder of Vaughn's contract.
>
> This isn't some sort of sports karma at work here. The Celtics and their
> fans aren't getting their comeuppance for years of Red Sox spending. This
is
> simply a terrible basketball decision made by a "braintrust" that can't
> spell cat if you spot them a "c" and a "t". And the frustrating thing is
> they are so arrogant. They think they're smarter than everyone else. The
> Kedrick "deal"... the whole "Kedrick and Joe Johnson were top-three on our
> board" crap... the "Omar Cook is like a first-rounder"... the "Shaq of the
> Shaw's"... the "Bruno Sundov would have been picked in the 4-7 range in
this
> draft"... Now it's "Vin Baker will be an all-star again" ...
>
> The sad thing is, this playoff run, which is a result of fortuitous timing
> and Dick Harter, not the maneuverings of the "braintrust", ensures these
> stooges will be around a while. Maybe another lottery season will spell
the
> end, although I doubt it. We mayl find out, because a team without a point
> guard and with Vin Baker grousing and slouching around the court will have
> its work cut out for it.
>
> Mark
>
>
> --- --- ---
>
> Joe H. wrote:
>
> I've already stopped praying that the Celtics get cold
> feet, since it sounds like the deed is done.
>
> What matters now are the details beyond
> KennyAnderson+RodneyRogers for Baker.
>
> e.g. is Forte in or out of the swap? Will Gaston get 3
> million in cash from Seattle?
>
> I wish there was a location where fans could gather to
> voice protest before the trade goes down, like the
> Parisians have with Bastille.
>
> But honestly,we should stop being babies about this. This
> is what the other shoe feels like. For every Red Sox team
> that signs a John Damon, you have a just-on-the-verge of
> a championship club like Oakland dealing with the losses
> of Giambi or Damon every offseason. Or Seattle losing
> Sele, Griffey Jr, Randy Johnson etc. How does that feel?
>
> Yes the Celtics were at long last a conference finalist
> last year. But life goes on.
>
> Our team simply couldn't afford to pay Rodney Rogers more
> than a million per year, because of the one season luxury
> cap hit.
>
> Let's get over it and move on. Let's hope for the best
> possible outcome. I'm saying that sincerely.
>
> We are Celtics fans.