Re: Baker

[JB <jimmetz@xxxxxxx>]

  It is outrageous how
fat and complacent he got the moment he signed for big
dollars. He's all talk now...there is nothing much
separating him from Oliver Miller and Hot Plate Williams
and other formerly versatile NBA bigmen. 15 million+ per
year in the 05 and 06 seasons is a frightening thought.
hironaka
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	From incredulity to disgust.
	Shira Springer reports, in today's Globe, that the deal is  
imminent and includes  Forte, Potapenko and Anderson; for Baker and 
Shammond Williams.
	Vin Baker does not want to be a center. Isn't that what led him to 
his depression and alcoholism in Milwaukee?
	Oh, the folly of it all.
	Three max contracts and still no center and no point guard.
	In three years, I see a fifteen win team,  waiting for some huge, 
long term contracts to come off the books, while some snake oil salesman 
of a coach/GM, comes in on a white horse, to rescue the franchise.
	Our future; those three lottery picks that Pitino had left us? 
Remember the three players who played the same position? That ruinous 
draft has probably cost us Erick Strickland, who is leaving because of 
Delk and now, Vin Baker's contract, to replace Rodney Rogers, because we 
wont spend some short term cash, may cost us any chance, in the next 
five years, to sign any more than a minimum player.
	Five Years! Baker's play may remind us  of Dino Radja, but his 
contract is a plague of the Pervis Ellison category.
	Even if Baker scores 15 and draws 8 boards a game, it's not worth a 
max contract for five years and all that it entails. Where's Baker's 
upside? You might think about risking it with a young and rising star, 
like Olowokandi, or Jermaine O'Niel, but how many 31 year olds can keep 
up even their present level of play for five years?  It's just too big a 
corner to paint oneself into. As Jean Paul Sartre penned: "No Exit."
			JB

	
			Unchain My Heart!
        Ps. I wonder if Vin will wear his hair in cornrows?		

On Sunday, July 21, 2002, at 07:06 PM, hironaka@nomade.fr wrote:

>> ---------- Initial message -----------
>> I'm sorry, but all of these trades based on the idea
> that the Clippers will
>> be monumental idiots (which is arguable) and
> furthermore idiots that
>> want to take on expensive, mediocre players while
> giving up cheap
>> young talent (which is completely implausible), are a
> waste of time.
>>
>> Alex
>
>
> Yup, point taken ...that's why I'm starting to realize
> the Kurt Thomas for Kenny Anderson trade is also a pipe
> dream.
>
> Picture that scenario in any other context, and it would
> seem beyond the possible.
>
> Thomas is coming off a quasi-All Star season, averaging
> 9.1 boards and 14 ppg with 33 double-doubles. The Knicks
> can't be THAT desperate to get rid of their anti-semite
> point guard Charlie Ward.
>
> Still, if the Knicks do want Baker as their center (its a
> genuine void on that club), they MAY need a third party
> to even out the salary gaps to make it work.
>
> That would be the elegance of Boston's gambit: with
> Kenny+Vitaly's salary fitting in neatly 15% above
> Baker's, who in turn costs 15% more than Thomas-Ward.
>
> Boston gets a very serviceable player with a ton of trade
> value in normal circumstance, plus the combined 30% or so
> savings (crappy math on my part, I'm sure) from
> Kenny+Vitaly's 2002-03 salary to re-sign some of our own
> guys.
>
> Of course, where the ultimate luxury cap ceiling stands,
> Wallace might still balk at re-signing RR. But anyway,
> what am I talking about? This one's not very believable.
>
> Maybe we should get used to Vin Baker as our "third All
> Star". My feeling is that in Boston's scheme, a true low-
> post threat will be roughly as valuable as a true point
> guard. Baker will probably average around 9 points and 6
> boards in the same minutes, now that he doesn't have the
> Glove or anyone else feeding him the ball.
>
> In many ways, Vin Baker was Kevin Garnett before there
> was a Kevin Garnett. Had he kept closer to his college
> weight, he'd still have every shot of being a 20-10
> player off his tremendous talent. It is outrageous how
> fat and complacent he got the moment he signed for big
> dollars. He's all talk now...there is nothing much
> separating him from Oliver Miller and Hot Plate Williams
> and other formerly versatile NBA bigmen. 15 million+ per
> year in the 05 and 06 seasons is a frightening thought.
>
>
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