Re: No trades!

[gh18@juno.com]

Bird thanks for the insight.  I think we can agree not to agree, which
makes this list so interesting.  I think we both want what is best for
the Celts.  However, until we become GM's we can only post our wishes. 
Have a good weekend.  

G. Hurst
On Sat, 9 Feb 2002 13:10:37 -0800 bird <birdwl@earthlink.net> writes:
> On Saturday, February 9, 2002, at 02:24 AM, gh18@juno.com wrote:
> 
> > Forston was could not defend.  Therefore, he does not fit the 
> prototype
> > power forward to compliment Walker.  The power forward must be 
> able to
> > defend not only in the post, but on the perimeter.  Again, I 
> repeat
> > Mchale and Maxwell type power forwards.  Forston will give you 13
> > rebounds, but his man will score 20 or more points and have 10 
> rebounds
> 
> Of course Fortson could defend.  He was one of the few players to 
> defend 
> Shaq well when he played in Denver.  He did get many "bull in a 
> china shop"
>   fouls, but that's the way NBA refs are: the more you're around, 
> the less 
> likely they'll call those kind of fouls on you (i.e. Vitaly 
> Potapenko).  
> Fortson's problems here were more about Pitino using him at center 
> for 
> 10-15 minutes a game and injuries than his own lack of talent.  
> You're 
> probably right that a McHale- or Maxwell-type player would 
> complement 
> Walker best and be best for the team (for which team *wouldn't* 
> these guys 
> be an upgrade? Precious few), but the point is, no one in the Boston 
> 
> Celtics organization is waiting around to move Antoine Walker to the 
> small 
> forward position.
> 
> > Do you remember the great trade "Vitaly for the eighth Pick in 
> the
> > draft"?  You do not trade to slightly improve.  The trade must be
> > significant and the player must be able to come in and make a 
> difference.
> 
> Lot's of teams trade to slightly improve, Greg.  Some teams, like 
> the Suns,
>   actually make trades to get worse (well, that may not have been 
> the *plan*
> , but that's sure how it worked out.)  As I said in my original 
> post, I 
> agree with you, in that I think the team ought to be patient, 
> develop 
> talent, then trade for/acquire as many missing pieces as possible.  
> There'
> s a "strike while the iron's hot" mentality among some folk here: 
> they 
> seem to think that if the C's don't win a championship this year, 
> it's 
> never going to happen.  A team can keep the iron hot by developing 
> talent 
> into assets which can then be used to acquire better players, or 
> players 
> that play positions you need to fill, though.
> 
> It's very easy to look back and say a trade was foolish, though.  At 
> the 
> time of the V trade, the C's really needed some sort of inside 
> presence: I 
> believe we were looking at Andrew DeClerq and Travis Knight in the 
> middle 
> -- *shudder* -- and V, for all of his own faults, is an upgrade over 
> both 
> those guys combined, almost.  Now, if only we could have avoided 
> giving up 
> a draft pick when the team was clearly mediocre and therefore going 
> to 
> draft low, now that would have been something.  Too bad.  Spilled 
> milk and 
> all.  I guess the only thing the team could do is offer V for Andre 
> Miller 
> straight up, and when that didn't work, finally get the hell over 
> it.
> 
> But that, too, is really not the point.  The point is that the 
> Celtics 
> aren't planning on acquiring a "prototype power forward" in order to 
> move 
> Antoine Walker to the three -- trade speculation on the internet 
> notwithstanding.  So suggestions about how we ought to acquire this 
> guy or 
> that guy, or how we might talk Cornbread or the Black Hole out of 
> retirement (hey, that's just crazy enough to work!) aren't grounded 
> very 
> much in reality.  I guess trade speculation in the internet rarely 
> is, 
> though.  I, myself, would like to see Walker at the three.  Not 
> gonna 
> happen.
> 
> Bird
> 
> 


Greg
gh18@juno.com
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