Re: [Celtics' Stuff Vin Baker

[Kim Malo <kimmalo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

At 09:42 PM 12/10/02 +0200, hironaka@nomade.fr wrote:
> To me, the definition of terrible is when you pray a guy
> doesn't shoot, or see a guy give up serious points on
> defense. Or a series of stupid, stupid fouls that none of
> us would have made. I don't think that's been the case.
Yup, but Joe, one he does do that you forgot to list is turnovers, 
including bobbles that someone else may have picked up so they don't get 
included in the total. It's really really bad at both ends. He loses the 
ball far too easily and often. He loses it on rebounds, he loses it on 
passes. It's not "I can't catch" bad hands, it's more like weak/slow ones. 
Especially if anyone even slightly swats at the ball. Too often I'm caught 
between being furious that he doesn't move enough to get to the ball and 
praying that it doesn't get in his hands to be lost.


> Did Vin Baker play poorly or leave the game because of
> foul trouble? Was he giving up position or getting scored
> and dunked on? No. He actually played his usual game,
> only to sit and watch when the game was on the line.
He was giving up position in the sense of not moving enough to get the 
boards or to do much on defense. And see above about bobbling the ball 
practically every time he touches it. You can be a liability without 
getting dunked on. I think yes, he did get pulled with the easily arguable 
idea that McCarty's more active body would likely contribute more.

Look, honestly I'm with you in not throwing the book at Vinnie, but I think 
he's got to do more himself to get out of his problems rather than looking 
for excuses. I'm with his teammates - I WANT to see him succeed and do see 
something still left there. But...

Kim