Re: Walker at PF?

["I am. . . Anonymous" <ktoreed@yahoo.com>]

But Mishra, you see, this guy is making the argument
that regardless of stats, Walker is like a young Cliff
Robinson because they're both smaller power forwards. 
I could repeat the stats which clearly indicate that
Walker is clearly more productive than a veteran
Cliff, but... the guy doesn't like stats.

Well then, if it is OK to make comparisons with a
clear disregard for stats...  Milt Palacio does have a
body type resembling that of Stephon Marbury!  Holy
cow!  We need to lock this guy up with the maximum
long term contract right away!  They both have similar
body types!

Awww.  What am I doing?  I'm ripping on poor Milt, who
I like, just to shoot down that ridiculous irrational
argument that no one else on this list has even
bothered to challenge.  Sorry Milt.


--- Shailendra Mishra <shailendra_mishra@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> 
> These are few of the comments from CWebs days as a
> Bullet and I am paraphrasing:
> 
> CWebb doesn't use his 6' 10" height and prefers to
> take 3 pt shots
> 
> He prefers to be thought of as a guard rather than a
> pf.
> 
> He prefers a flashy behind the back pass to a
> regular pass.
> 
> So, Webbs problems were not all offcourt, it  is a
> different matter that his offcourt problems over
> shadowed problems he had on-court.
> 
> Regarding Walkers comparison with Cliff Robinson, I
> don't see the  resemblance. Forget about Walkers
> superiority argument, he does so many other things
> that a Cliff Robinson would never do. For instance,
> I am yet to see Cliff take his man off the dribble
> or try to bring up the ball like a pg or create
> shots for other players. - Mishra
> 
>   Thomas Murphy <tfmiii@worldnet.att.net> wrote: 
> CALLING Walker a SF will do nothing just as calling
> him a PF when in reality
> he performs most of the duties of a PG does nothing
> - particularly against
> the other teams PFs. What is needed is another big
> body up front because
> whether by design or default Walker isn't giving us
> the things you need from
> a PF (which is not to say he isn't giving us things
> we do need).
> 
> Let's examine the quote raised by Mishra "There is a
> very memorable quote
> from Don Nelson when he was coaching the Warriors:
> Webber in his rookie year
> didn't want to play center and so he requested that
> he be moved to PF.
> Nellie told him, I don't care whether you call
> yourself PF, SF or PG but
> somebody needs to guard the opposing center."
> 
> You'll note that the quote addresses who the player
> will guard. Well, who
> DOES Walker guard? If the other team has a tough PF
> (say Karl Malone) he
> 'guards' the center (Ostertag) and vice versa.
> Unfortunately he doesn't
> succeed very well in either instance - this is a
> large part of the reason
> there are calls for him to 'guard' someone else.
> After all, we have to
> remember that by not playing Walker at PF we are not
> benching Walker, we are
> instead redistributing playing time from SF/PGs to
> C/PFs. Given the
> production we've received from SG/PG I'd say that
> this could be a valuable
> move given our difficulties rebounding and defending
> opposing big men -
> particularly since Twon performs most of the duties
> of a SG/PG already.
> 
> Now, regarding the attempt to prove - through the
> aid of statistics - beyond
> a doubt that Walker and Cliff Robinson are not one
> and the same person I
> have to say "congratulations!". Gee, that was tough
> to figure out. Another
> strawman bites the dust! Just for sake of clarity:
> when I said that I Twon
> reminds me of Cliff I wasn't saying Twon WAS Cliff
> or that they were twins
> separated at birth or that their stats would be
> identical. These
> 'interpretations' betray a lack of communicative
> imagination that is
> typically fatal for any understanding. Now let's
> discuss what I did try to
> say.
> 
> Others have compared Twon to Webber or Coleman.
> These comparisons have been
> criticized (rightly in my opinion) because Webber's
> problems were always
> off-court (very different from Twon) whereas
> Coleman's problems relate to
> his cancerous lack of heart (again, thankfully, very
> different from Twon).
> In any case both Webber and Coleman seem to play a
> style much more
> compatible with traditional views of a PF. In my
> view Twon's game reminds me
> of Cliff because they both have a style of play that
> makes them 'play' a lot
> smaller on the court than an objective measurement
> of their size would
> indicate, kind of the opposite of a player like
> Adrian Dantley. This is not
> meant as a criticism, merely an observation. I do
> think that Twon is more
> talented, but I think the initial comparison remains
> valid. (Comparisons are
> often used to indicate similarity and difference -
> NOT identity.)
> 
> (BTW the simple-minded use of stats to 'prove' that
> Cliff is the inferior -
> and antithesis - of Twon is flawed for the simple
> reason that Cliff has
> always played with a superior cast of teammates. How
> many assists do you
> think Twon would rack up if he played with Jason
> Kidd? How many minutes do
> you think a 'young Twon' would have logged if he
> played with Clyde Drexler's
> Trailblazers? Is it a coincidence that Donyell
> Marshall is having a career
> year in Utah DESPITE the fact that his stats have
> dropped in virtually every
> major category? The lack of nuance in the employment
> of stats rivals the
> shallowness and lack of perception that Anonymous
> brings to each of his
> trolling ventures. But then what else would you
> expect from someone who
> responded to Cecil's mild attempt at sarcasm with a
> vitriolic outburst that
> betrayed an utter lack of comprehension of one of
> the simplest forms of
> verbal play. Heaven forgive us if we decide to use a
> metaphor!)
> 
> 
> 
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