Re: BSG Says Walker Out Of Control

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>]

Yes Mark.  I am not disagreeing with you.  Maybe just pointing out, in my
gentle fashion, that your message was kind of ambiguous.  Come right out and
say it!  You are not blaming Walker for taking all these threes and spending
so much time on the perimeter when that is what he is being told to do.

This is an issue of direction, not player decision.  Right?

Cecil



----- Original Message -----
From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
To: "'Cecil Wright'" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>; "Berry, Mark S"
<berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>; "'Hironaka'" <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
Cc: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: RE: BSG Says Walker Out Of Control


> Isn't that what we're all doing? I thought that was what this list was
> for... to express opinions about the players, coaches, management and
other
> aspects of the team. Or does that only apply when it's Pitino being
> questioned?
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cecil Wright [mailto:cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca]
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:25 PM
> To: Berry, Mark S; 'Hironaka'
> Cc: celtics@igtc.com
> Subject: Re: BSG Says Walker Out Of Control
>
>
> Seems like the argument is directed at the coaching and administration
then.
>
> Cecil
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> To: "'Hironaka'" <j.hironaka@unesco.org>; "Berry, Mark S"
> <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> Cc: <celtics@igtc.com>
> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 9:10 AM
> Subject: RE: BSG Says Walker Out Of Control
>
>
> > One more time... I'm not saying trade Toine because he's no good, has a
> bad
> > attitude, don't like the wiggle or any other such nonsense. I know he's
a
> > talent. My contention is that a team built around an undersized,
> > perimeter-oriented, soft power forward is never going to win
consistently.
> > Stick him at small forward, Pierce at shooting guard and fill in around
> the
> > edges and I'm happy. But, again, it has been five years now and we still
> > haven't seen Toine at small forward.
> >
> > It comes down to how I feel the team should be structured. I'm tired of
> > getting beaten up by bigger, stronger teams. It's time for the Celtics
to
> > realize that this game is won by big men. Toine could be a dominant
> physical
> > small forward, with perimeter skills needed for the position... but if
he
> > isn't used that way, he's never going to be more than an undersized
> matchup
> > problem at the PF spot.
> >
> > I'm as excited about those first-rounders as anyone, but the truth is
none
> > of those picks figure to be higher than No. 10, and that's still a huge
> > crapshoot. This will be a great draft, but look back through the history
> of
> > the draft at the players drafted at 10 or lower. It's not an impressive
> > bunch. Maybe we'll get lucky with another Pierce, but the odds are long.
> > Whoever we draft, assuming we don't luck into the top three, will be
role
> > players at best early in their careers. Of those five first-rounders in
> the
> > next three years, can you agree that we'll be lucky if two of them turn
> into
> > legitimate contributors? And that's over the next three years. Three
> years.
> > I'm not looking for a quick fix by any means, but are we going to
reserve
> > judgement on Toine until his eighth season? Is that when we can safely
say
> > "he is what he is?"
> >
> > Anyway, I'm not eagerly plotting Toine's departure. I just have a
> different
> > vision of this team than the current regime (and most of our posters,
> > apparently).
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hironaka [mailto:j.hironaka@unesco.org]
> > Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:52 AM
> > To: Berry, Mark S
> > Cc: 'celtics@igtc.com'
> > Subject: Re: BSG Says Walker Out Of Control
> >
> >
> > "Berry, Mark S" wrote:
> >
> > > Come on, Joe, if only it were that simple. Finley and Nash are only
> there
> > > because the Mavs traded Kidd for them. And if these guys had matured
> > > together in Dallas like you assume, they never would have been in
> position
> > > to draft Nowitzki. Maybe the Celts can make a Jason Kidd-type deal and
> > land
> > > two eventual starters/borderline all-stars like the Mavs did with
Finley
> > and
> > > Nash.
> >
> >     Doh! I didn't bother to check (I thought they had drafted Finley).
You
> > got
> > me there.
> >
> >     This is one of those times when it just seems crystal clear to me
> that,
> > after all this suffering, we should build around the edges and reap the
> > benefits
> > of the two captains, now that they are emerging into their mid-twenties.
> > These
> > days it is hard to blame our record on anything other than players 3-12,
> so
> > it
> > seems to me to be the wrong diagnosis moving one or the other of the
only
> > two
> > good players we have. It is like amputating someone's arm to treat jock
> > itch.
> >
> >     It would be another thing if we were the Timberwolves, but in fact
> we've
> > got
> > five first-rounders available in the next three years to build around
> Walker
> > and
> > Pierce as they enter their mature mid-twenties. Some of these
> first-rounders
> > could easily fall in the same draft range where players the caliber of
> > Walker,
> > Pierce, Kobe Bryant, Nowitzki etc were originally available. It seems to
> me
> > that
> > this is what we should all be talking about....can Wallace/Obie bring to
> > Boston
> > the next Kobe and not the next Moiso.
> >
> >     College basketball is for the first time in ages deep with quality
> teams
> > and
> > quality players, many of them still Freshmen and Sophomores. There is
> > apparently
> > a high school guard named Kevin Tolbert who could really turn into
> > something.
> > Part of what makes it fun again to be Celtics fan is knowing that we
will,
> > in
> > all likelihood, be able to add to our core of developing role players at
> or
> > under the age of 25 (Battie, Moiso, Potapenko, Blount) with even better
> > athletes
> > and prospects over the next few years, and do so painlessly without
giving
> > up
> > anything in return should we so choose. We've been patient this long.
Now
> is
> > not
> > the time to farm our best players off like the Clippers do.
> >
> > ****
> >
> >
>