RE: The answer on the Philly pick

["Shawn Niles" <shizzjr@hotmail.com>]

You have never once heard me predict that the Celts will make the playoffs, 
that Kenny will be great, Walker/Pierce are all-stars, or anything else. I 
have only commented on the Moiso trade. I will say this though... Walker is 
NOT regressing as a player, and JJ will almost certainly give the C's more 
than the 9 points a game that Stith did. If you are doubting Pierce's 
abilities... then maybe there is nothing I can say that will get through to 
you.

You say the Moiso trade did not help or hurt. You say he did not hurt by 
sitting on the bench. Maybe not, but why not try and get a player that does 
not have to be stuck to the bench? You say IF the C's do something with 
Mcleod's salary, IF they do something with Phillies draft pick...  at least 
we have those IF's now. I see more chance of something good coming out of 
one of those options rather than getting something out of Moiso. You say the 
C's gave up on Jerome too early. Maybe you haven't seen him play. I stated 
before that Moiso makes Acie Earl look like Bill Russell. To me it is 
amazing that they were able to unload him for a shorter contract AND a draft 
pick. This is a trade that Red would have made.




>From: "Berry, Mark  S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
>To: 'Shawn Niles' <shizzjr@hotmail.com>, "Berry, Mark  S" 
><berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>, celtics@igtc.com
>Subject: RE: The answer on the Philly pick
>Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:10:27 -0400
>
>Shawn, this trade does not create cap space. The Celtics have no hope of
>creating cap space until Kenny (03) and Eric Williams (04) come off the
>books. Chris Wallace claims it helps in regard to the luxury tax. Hard to
>believe Moiso's relatively small salary makes much of a difference. 
>Besides,
>the Celtics probably would be under the threshold even with Moiso on the
>books (at least, according to my math). You want to get rid of Moiso... why
>exactly? Granted, he wasn't helping the team, but was he hurting? He wasn't
>playing enough to hurt the team. They said he was a project when they
>drafted him, said from the beginning that he wouldn't help during his 
>rookie
>season, and they give up on him already? Except for one unattributed 
>account
>from bskball.com, we have no reason to believe Moiso was anything but a
>nice, polite, albeit unmotivated kid. He wasn't having a negative effect on
>the team. He's not a cancer. He's a 12th man. So why does it help to be rid
>of him? Granted, it doesn't hurt, but why does it help? All I'm saying is
>that if they don't turn McLeod's expiring contract into something else or
>get REALLY lucky with the late Philly pick (that will be a three-year
>guaranteed contract-how much you want to bet we see stories about the
>Celtics hoping to unload that pick to avoid the three-year guaranteed 
>salary
>that comes with it?), then we gave up on Moiso and gave him away for
>nothing. You're right about one thing, though-this isn't Ruth for No No
>Nannette and we've already wasted too much time talking about it. But I'm
>just calling it like I see it.
>
>You go right on believing what you want... the Celtics will make the
>playoffs, Walker and Pierce are all-stars, Joe Johnson is rookie of the
>year, Joseph Forte is a point guard, Kenny Anderson is in shape, healthy 
>and
>has a push-the-ball attitude, Milt Palacio is Eric Snow, every first-round
>pick the Celtics make will be a future starter (except Jerome Moiso),
>rebounding won't hurt the Celtics, you can win without a good center or
>point guard, the draft will fall perfectly in the future so we can land our
>center or point guard then, and the Heat and Knicks suck.
>
>The difference between us is that I believe some of those things are true,
>but I also believe some of these things are true:
>
>The East is deeper than last year and other teams have improved more than
>the Celts, Walker is regressing as a player, Pierce has to prove he can do
>it for more than half a season, none of the rookies will exceed what Bryant
>Stith gave the Celts, Stith's leadership will be missed, the Celtics still
>don't have an NBA starter-quality center or point guard, the roster is too
>loaded with 2-guards and small forwards, the Celtics will make mistakes in
>the draft just like everyone does (and may have made one or more this 
>year),
>rebounding will kill the Celtics, you need to be strong at center and/or
>point guard to win big, and the Heat and Knicks still are better than the
>Celtics.
>
>I won't tell you which I believe and which I don't, but let me say this... 
>I
>believe the Celtics were the ninth-best team in the East last year and I
>don't believe they're significantly better this year. I believe they'll be
>in the mix for that final playoff spot again. I believe it will be a
>dogfight with Indiana, Atlanta and New Jersey. I believe injuries will have
>a lot to do with how that shakes out. Is that simple enough? Positive
>enough? Too negative?
>
>Mark
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
>From: 	Shawn Niles [mailto:shizzjr@hotmail.com]
>Sent:	Monday, August 13, 2001 11:43 AM
>To:	berrym@BATTELLE.ORG; celtics@igtc.com
>Subject:	Re: The answer on the Philly pick
>
>No Mark, it does much more than that. It gets rid of a useless basketball
>player in Jerome Moiso. It clears up cap space because Moiso was on the
>books for 2 more years while Mcleod is only on for one. Maybe Josh O. can
>ask Wallace, but I am sure that the driving force behind this trade was not
>cash. Chris Wallace has basically come out and said that this deal was made
>to free up cap space after this year, not because he is counting on Mcleod
>to become a superstar. Why can't you see this trade for what it is? It
>really isn't that difficult to figure out. This is not trading Babe Ruth so
>that No No Nannette can keep running.
>
>
> >From: "Berry, Mark  S" <berrym@BATTELLE.ORG>
> >To: "'celtics@igtc.com'" <celtics@igtc.com>
> >Subject: The answer on the Philly pick
> >Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2001 10:56:15 -0400
> >
> >From the MSNBC piece by Shira Springer...
> >
> >"...The third component of the deal was a first-round pick available as
> >early as 2003 and protected through the lottery until 2007. But it's
> >virtually assumed that Philadelphia will not drop to the lottery in the
> >forseeable future, so the pick in all likelihood automatically would fall
> >to
> >the Celtics in 2003. . . ."
> >
> >----end---
> >
> >This certainly seems to answer the question about the pick. Barring an
> >Iverson car crash with Mutombo riding shotgun, it sounds like the Celts
> >will
> >automatically get the Sixers' pick this year. That figures to be 
>somewhere
> >in the late 20s. Let's hope they use McLeod's expiring contract to work
> >another deal; otherwise, this trade does nothing but pad the pocketbook.
> >
> >Mark
>
>
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