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Re: sick of losing to the WORST teams...
I'll have to stand with Cecil here. You've got to
respect a man who can stand up for the team at a time
like this. This game was a real deflater. The Bulls
played really well, and we couldn't stop them, and
shot ourselves in the foot on offense because we were
so wired up, and because everyone was terrified of
losing and played tight. I think that one on one
isolations would have been the way to go here. None
of the Bulls can defend their celtics counterparts.
The team is really ratcheted up. Bottom line: wins
against Vancouver and the Clips and we are two down.
These teams that beat us really aren't that bad once
their crowd gets behind them. What can you do? It
sucks, but once we get back to .500 it will all be
ancient history. I wish the team played again tonight.
Josh
--- Cecil Wright <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca> wrote:
> Yeah. We all were planning for the deaths of Lewis
> and Bias too.
>
> Rahim has never done the 20/10 thing until this
> year. And their management went out and were able
> to bring in some veterans to help them out. And
> still it takes time, which is my point. Pitino
> mentions that players need to ignore the individual
> stats and play more as a team. You point to others
> who are losing but putting up individual stats.
> What good are meaningless stats if a team loses?
> How can you call it maturity excuses when it is
> merely the truth?
>
> You call for dumping Barros and Overton and then
> bring in someone who backs up Kenny. Will it take
> them any length of time to learn the plays or are
> they expected to know them overnight? Are they
> expected to know automatically who likes to receive
> the basketball at certain spots on the floor? Will
> they just jump right in there and be able to do the
> things Pitino asks of them on defense? And if
> Kenny's hamstring pops, they would be capable of
> running the offense if they got staters minutes?
> It's not as easy as you suggest.
>
> Cecil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Lyell
> To: celtics@igtc.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 2:19 PM
> Subject: RE: sick of losing to the WORST teams...
>
>
> I think it is difficult to look at Boston & LA the
> two powers of the 80's and see how the Lakers have
> retooled to be top contenders again, and the Celtics
> lottery candidates year after year. I have been
> patient since 1986 . When can we stop saying this
> and realize changes have to be made ? 2005 ? 2010 ?.
> This patience thing reminds me too much of the
> Clippers game plan since they moved from San Diego.
>
> Quit making the maturity excuses for AW and
> others. Rahim gets 20/10 a night on a worse team and
> is younger. We have to quit making excuses for
> these high priced athletes.
>
> Its like the stock market, you have to know when
> to make the trade and cut your losses and move on to
> a better thing.
>
>
> I do agree it is the players more than the
> coaching on most occasions, but sometimes you just
> have to make the change. Pitino to GM, Cowens to
> coach ?
>
>
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-celtics@igtc.com
> [mailto:owner-celtics@igtc.com]On Behalf Of Cecil
> Wright
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 5:42 AM
> To: celtics@igtc.com
> Subject: Re: sick of losing to the WORST
> teams...
>
>
> That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it.
> I happen to look at it in another light. No team
> I've ever had the pleasure to coach has ever jelled
> together as quickly as you want the Celtics to.
> Like it or not, it takes time. It is inescapable.
> How long did it take the Chicago Bulls to win their
> first title? Was it in Jackson's first few years as
> their coach? Was it in Jordan's first 5 years in
> the league? Whether it's getting old or not, it is
> the truth. Look out in Utah. They still haven't
> won and it took them some time before they became
> perennial playoff contenders.
>
> In the NBA, it doesn't happen overnight. And
> now, we must suck it up without Griffin for a while.
> It is easy to give up and constantly bemoan them
> when they look bad (like last night) but,
> respectfully I ask, where were you when they played
> well against Sacto?
>
> Last night, in addition to Grif going down, VP
> could barely hold on to any ball he got his hands
> on, Pierce had a dismal game from the floor. He
> also appears at times to suffer from Merceritis.
> Fortson, though many think he's 100% healthy, is
> still far from game shape which is why RP can only
> play him in short spurts. And Toine, is Toine. You
> know what you're getting with these guys. They are
> young and need to mature. It's a fact of life. I
> could technically dissect each member of this team
> from purely a coaching perspective but I know what
> Pitino is trying to do and it takes time.
>
> You can keep this kind of posting pattern if you
> like, but when it comes together, we won't hear from
> you too much and it's not as far down the road as
> you seem to think.
>
> Cecil
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Forant
> To: celtics@igtc.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 8:06 AM
> Subject: Re: sick of losing to the WORST
> teams...
>
>
> Patience, this is gettin old also. Patience
> won't improve this outfit. More like patients. Pink
> slip's will. In case many of you lost track of the
> term, because of the good economy, it means getting
> fired, dumped, wasted.
>
> At 12:45 AM 1/9/00 -0400, you wrote:
> >>>>
>
> Regarding comments from those who mainly
> post only when we lose, see below. No post after a
> decent win, but a loss on the road on the back half
> of two straight, with the second on the road isn't
> mentioned. The return of Kukoc isn't mentioned and
> he is obviously a difficult matchup.
>
> We beat a very good team last night, lose to
> a team who have now won 3 straight and are
> definitely improving, who have added a decent
> shooter in Maloney, and Pitino should be fired? I
> love hearing people say stuff like if the players
> are consistent, it's the fault of the coach. That is
> such a load of crap. The players miss foul shots and
> the coach should be held accountable. What about the
> player? Does he bear any responsibility? If it's all
> the fault of the coach, why has Toine taken so much
> heat from this list. When Toine sucks, it is up to
> him to get out of it, not the coach. It is up to the
> coach to point out the weaknesses to the player and
> give him/her points of emphasis to improve or
> correct the skill. But a coach cannot will a player
> into not making bad passes or turnovers, as they are
> part of the game and always will be.
>
> Those who are looking for consistency, at
> this point, will be greatly disappointed. It takes
> time. Apparently more than some of you are willing
> to wait.
>
> Cecil (who will still proudly cheer the
> green on in LA)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mailto:jaims@philonline.com>Jaime
> Salud Castillo, Jr.
> To:
> <mailto:celtics@igtc.com>celtics@igtc.com
> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2000 12:07 AM
> Subject: sick of losing to the WORST
> teams...
>
> What the heck is goin on???!!!
> We beat a good team and then we lose to a
> very bad or worst team in the league!
>
> this is embarrasing because it already
> happened twice against the same Chicago team and
> Pitino and the charges didn't learn anything from
> the first loss. Are the players intentionally making
> Pitino look bad? Maybe. Or is Pitino just not up to
> the task? Most probably. If we're so inconsistent,
> then it's the coaches task to motivate and condition
> every players minds in every game.
>
> I'm sure Pitino has excuses of, "Oh, we
> didn't pass the ball around..."
> "Oh, our players need consistency and
> maturity...", " Oh, we are blah blah blah..."
> I can only say he talks a lot of bull.
>
> I was hoping that my prediction of 32 wins
> and no entry to the playoffs would be wrong but it's
> already kinda goin towards that and it sickens me.
>
> Patience is a virtue...but the teams'
> showing is simply sickening!!! WE DEFINITELY NEED TO
> CHANGE THE COACH!!!
>
>
>
> <<<<
>
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