Re: what a shmuck Holley is

["Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.eastlink.ca>]

I was just basing my post off of your original which gave no credit to Toine
or Mo for anything.  In fact you questioned why Toine would want to be like
Mo.  You make it seem like Vaughn only helped out looking for his name to be
in the spotlight which is not true.  Personally, I disagree that they should
be doing things in the community because they have the wealth to do so.
When was the last time someone took a shot at DeNiro or Stallone or Tony
Bennett for not contributing to community organizations?  What does
Aerosmith do for children in the Hopedale area?

My point is there are so many people who have the financial wherewithall but
do not have the will.  Here are two men who have the will and you are
cynical of their motives.

Used to be innocent til proven guilty.

Cecil

----- Original Message -----
From: Theresa Lee <tjoyce@mit.edu>
To: <celtics@igtc.com>
Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: what a shmuck Holley is


> Cecil,
>
> IMHO, doing good works should not negate the bad things people do. I agree
> and applaud the effort being made by Mo and Antoine, but even Holley said
> that Antoine used to be too selfish to "give back" when he first became a
> Celtic. I am somewhat cynical about athletes doing "good works" and then
> looking for credit for it. They have vast resources to do this...they
> SHOULD do this type of thing and they shouldn't be looking for credit or
> absolution from bad things they do in return. That is the ultimate in
> selfishness. Be humble. Live your whole life this way and I'll respect
you.
> Do disrespectful things to yourself and others and THEN do good works, I
am
> cynical about your motivations or your intent. I should respect Mo Vaughn
> simply because he does good works? I look at the whole man and say, "yes,
> but"....same with Antoine. I respect humble people like Adrian Griffin who
> go about their business and are grateful for the things they have.
>
> Respect and appreciation, for me, can be different. I appreciate Antoine
> and Mo, but I don't fully respect them.
> I didn't swipe at his good works, I was drawing a parallel to Mo's other
> off-field behavior which has nothing to do with working with kids. In Mo's
> case it has to do with getting lap dances, drinking to excess (and then
> driving) and eating like a glutton...all documented. That is not someone I
> would want kids to look up to.
>
> Theresa
>
> At 07:36 PM 8/25/00 -0700, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >From: Theresa Lee
> >
> > I love the part where Antoine wants to be just like Mo
> >> Vaughn...what's that? Fat and rolling his truck over on the way back
from
> >> the Foxy Lady?
> >
> >Theresa, I know you are pissed at Holley and Toine but Mo Vaughn went out
of
> >his way to do alot for many of Boston's youth and other innercity
> >organizations.  If Toine wanted to emulate that, he shoould be commended
> >instead of ridiculed IMHO.  So many athletes nowadays don't give a damn
as
> >soon as the game is over and here's a young man who cares for youth
> >evidenced by these camps that he operates.
> >
> >You can shit on him for being not in game shape or for jacking up stupid
> >shots sometimes or getting scorched on defense occasionally, but taking a
> >swipe for trying to work with youth isn't cool IMHO.
> >
> >Cecil
> >
>