FW: Greg O, master sociologist

["Moses, Peter L." <Peter.Moses@vtmednet.org>]

> My god! There are times (many in recent months) when the pomposity and
> lack of direction of this list is nearly unbelievable. Has anyone who has
> been involved with the list over the last several years shared my
> frustration with the subject matter that frequently is not even remotely
> related to the enjoyment derived from following the Boston Celtics.
> 
> I'd love to see this list collectively frowning on little squabbles
> between readers, unrelated crap and pontification of any kind. That said,
> I hope I'm not guilty of what really pisses me off in this message!...Back
> to the Celts...Please!
> 
> Peter
> 
> 
> Peter L. Moses, MD
> Assistant Professor
> University of Vermont
> College of Medicine
> peter.moses@vtmednet.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Odegaard, Greg M. [SMTP:GMOdegaa@rmc.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, March 16, 1999 5:51 PM
> To:	'peter delevett'; Celtics
> Subject:	RE: Greg O, master sociologist
> 
> Well let me clarify one last time (hopefully), what I am trying to relate
> to
> is the prevailing behavior in some areas of this country, and world, and
> this is a large way has nothing to do with race, to putting people who
> aren't like you down.  My earlier "redneck" reference of course exists
> everywhere to a degree, but this Rebel Yell philosophy in even very
> cultured
> circles in places like Atlanta is disturbing to someone like myself who
> grew
> up in an area, where we never a moments thought to who or where people
> came
> from or what side of the track they were raised on.  At least on the west
> coast there is very little class structure, unless you get way down or up
> the food chain.  For a middleclass guy like me, everyone was my buddy, I
> didn't and still don't give a damn, how I am "supposed" to treat someone,
> based on any quality, of which I haven't a clue.  My experiences in the
> South were very eye opening, when it came to trying to do something for
> myself in an environment where this wasn't allowed.  Atlanta is not a
> place
> I care to spend any time in again, as a tourist or otherwise.  As sports
> fans go they define the bad side of the spectrum.  At least in NY, Philly
> or
> LA the average fan is an intelligent sports fan who comes prepared to be
> themselves and enjoy the experience.  In Atlanta they look at their
> neighbors and react when it appears prudent.  Individuality is damned.
> 
> Sorry to preach, and maybe offend, when reality I speak often of the
> concept
> of tolerance, but at the same time I have no tolerance for the idea of
> putting people into slots or forcing an image on anyone.  Calpo in this
> way
> belongs in someplace like south Alabama, and this is the only thing I was
> trying to imply.  And for Southern Hospitality, this is a myth, that I am
> not sure existed ever outside of a Margaret Mitchell novel, or to an
> outsider, and even then they burned Atlanta.  Maybe that is why it is
> named
> the Sherman tank.
> 
> Greg
> -----Original Message-----
> From: peter delevett [mailto:pdelevett@amcity.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 2:34 PM
> To: Celtics
> Subject: Greg O, master sociologist
> 
> 
> Absolutely. As someone who grew up in rural Florida and spent 5 years in
> urban
> Connecticut (and another 3 in Natick, Mass. as a kid), let me say
> Northerners
> are NEVER rude to people of the same or different ethnic persuasions. Give
> me
> Southern hospitality any time.
> 
> Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 07:44:05 -0800
> From: "Odegaard, Greg M." <GMOdegaa@rmc.com>
> Subject: RE: avoid the  stereotypes!
> 
> Not living in the South, but having visited numerous areas of this region,
> from the biggest cities to the smallest backwaters, it is an area I have
> some concern for, so at the same time don't discount my true feelings for
> an
> area in our country that depending on your persuasion and what business or
> private environment you happen to be in, can be a very disturbing place to
> visit.  I grew up in an extremely ethic diverse and tolerant area, and all
> my visits to our wonderful SE part of this country have left me glad to
> come
> home.  Please understand that I have as much concern for the Civil war
> fighting brethren down south as any other group.  In fact it is their
> behavior both to themselves, northerners or there neighbors that is most
> disturbing.