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Chauncey vs. Kenny
I want to make one more point in the Chauncey vs. Kenny discussion,
particularly about the age issue. RIght now, it seems clear that Kenny
runs the point better. But some have worried that in a few years
Chauncey will develop into as good a point as Kenny and he will much
younger and have more productive years ahead of him. That may well be
true. But carry that argument out to its logical conclusion. Assume
Chauncey develops over the next two years into as good a point as Kenny.
He is now three years into the league, heading into his prime years of
productivity and a free agent. Assuming that the Celts have by that
time broken the bank for Walker, if they still had Chauncey (and a
steadily impressive Mercer), they couldn't afford him. So, he'd be a
great point guard for some other team. Kenny, however will still be
under contract.
So, the question of age is moot, because if the best happens with
Chauncey, we couldn't hold him. His effective career for the Celtics
lasts three years. Kenny's under contract for five years and so his
effective career for the Celtics is arguably longer than Chauncey's.
So we got a better point for a longer period.
I think that Pitino and his crew understand the realities of today's NBA
better than most and deals like the Anderson one prove it. Gain a
professional point guard now, lock him up for five years to provide the
leadership and stbility a young team needs, and gain some cap
flexibility in the process. Nicely done.
Dan
I think most are agreed that the team seems to move better with
Anderson. He is clearly the better floor leader today than Chauncey.
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>
>The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest
> Monday, March 9 1998 Volume 05 : Number 108
>
>
>
>In this issue:
>
> re Billups
> Re: Get Rid of McCarty
> gh18@juno.com (Gregory Hurst): 1998 Draft
> BILLUPS
> Re: Get Rid of McCarty
> Pitino article on ESPN Sportszone
> New Trivia Questions
> Re: Celts Triumphant: Boston 108- Washington 98
> RE: Billups&Mercer
> Post Game Comments
> Pacers
> RE: re Get rid of McCarty
> Celts Fall Short: Indiana 104- Boston 100
> Re: Billups&Mercer
> Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V5 #106
> I met robert Parish
> RE: Billups&Mercer
> RE: re Get rid of McCarty
> Re:PeterMay
> Draft Dates
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:07:03 -0500
>From: Dan <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
>Subject: re Billups
>
>It may not be fair to compare the two, but it is fair to compare the
>progress the team could and is making with Anderson, compared to
>Billups.
>This team is a whole season ahead of itself. No one, no one except us
>Celts
>nuts thought the Celts would be in this good. Sacrificing Billups for
>Anderson has pushed up the growth of Walker and Mercer a full season,
>in
>just a few games already. It was the best decision the Celts have made
>outside of drafting Walker and Mercer, in years.
>>Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:52:46 -0500
>>From: bocelts@scsn.net (R. Bentz Kirby)
>>Subject: Billups
>>
>>Well, let's see, is it really fair to compare Billups and Anderson. KA
>>does have a little more experience than did CB. Plus, this is supposed
>>to be a team building for the future, not one that is going for it all
>>today. I would hope KA is a better point guard than CB today, as we
>>really are bad off if not.
>>
>>That is not the question, the question is in 3 years, or 5 years, who
>>will be the one you want to be there. I predict that if there is an NBA
>>then, we will wish CB was back in Beantown. He has the better future.
>>
>>- --
>>
>>Peace,
>>
>>Bentz
>>bocelts@scsn.net
>>http://www.scsn.net/users/sclaw
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:57:24 -0500
>From: Dorine Pratt <norine@sover.net>
>Subject: Re: Get Rid of McCarty
>
>Tommy said "I Love Walter" on Friday night, and Walter had a couple of
>impressive plays. He's just been in a funk, as others have been from
>time
>to time.
>Dorine
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:21:18 -0600
>From: gh18@juno.com (Gregory Hurst)
>Subject: gh18@juno.com (Gregory Hurst): 1998 Draft
>
>Can someone please post the date of the 1998 NBA draft?
>
>
>
>Greg
>gh18@juno.com
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:19:34 -0500
>From: Dorine Pratt <norine@sover.net>
>Subject: BILLUPS
>
>Who knows, maybe we'll be able to get Chauncy back someday, after our
>team has developed and Chauncy has also improved. He was well liked by
>the fans and his
>fellow players, and that could happen. If he becomes the player some
>of
>us feel he
>can be, at that time it might be possible. I liked Chauncy too, but I
>believe Kenny is
>what this team needed right now, and as they say, "the proof is in the
>pudding". This team is noticably better with Kenny in the picture. It
>doesn't take much to see that, it
>was immediately obvious. No matter what, I think we all wish Chauncy
>well.
>Dorine
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 01:33:49 +1000
>From: Warwick Janetzki <giants@eisa.net.au>
>Subject: Re: Get Rid of McCarty
>
>Dorine Pratt wrote:
>>
>> Tommy said "I Love Walter" on Friday night, and Walter had a couple of
>> impressive plays. He's just been in a funk, as others have been from
>> time
>> to time.
>> Dorine
>
>I agree, young players ARE allowed to have funks. He is still LEARNING
>the game. I think that these guys will all have funks, just luckilly
>for
>us so far, it hasn't happend all at once and we're beating the teams we
>should be beating and either beating or making an impressive show
>against the other teams.
>
>Its amazing what a real point guard will do.
>
>Sorry Chauncey, I will always love ye, but we needed someone who could
>help us win and thats Kenny...
>
>Read 'The Next Timmy Hardaway' article at http://www.onhoops.com and
>tell me what you think, I wrote that the day KA was traded to us!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Warwick Janetzki
>
>- --
>MZ?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:32:36 -0500
>From: JOSH FARBER <joshfarber@home.com>
>Subject: Pitino article on ESPN Sportszone
>
>Here's an article I found on ESPN Sportszone.
>
>
>
>
>Pitino insists on success
>
>
>
>
> ARCHIVE
>
>
> PROFILE
> MARCH 5, 1998
>
> BOSTON - When Rick Pitino arrived at Providence
>College
>in 1985, he
> inherited an 11-20 team and a doughy junior point
>guard
>named Billy Donovan.
>
> "Nobody expected much, including the players," says
>Donovan, now the head
> coach at the University of Florida. "There was an
>article written that asked,
> 'How can you play in a Rolls Royce league with
>Volkswagen players?'
>
> "Well, we succeeded because of Rick Pitino, not
>because
>of our personnel. He
> believed in us. The biggest thing is, he drives you
>beyond where you think you
> can go -- and you still want to come back for more."
>
> Isn't that the clinical definition of good coaching?
>
> Providence was 17-14 in Pitino's first year and 25-9
>in
>1986-87. The Friars
> went to the Final Four that season, and Donovan --
>whose unlikely reincarnation
> best embodied Pitino's vision -- was the leading
>scorer. Donovan does not argue
> with those who call that Providence team the
>least-talented ever to reach the
> Final Four.
>
> And now, for the fifth time in Pitino's career, it's
>happening again. Some people
> who haven't been paying attention are surprised.
>
> "They were saying that the Boston Celtics would be
>lucky to win a dozen games
> this season," Donovan says. "Not me. I said they'd win
>40. That's how much
> faith I had in him. You know what? It could happen."
>
> Last year under M.L. Carr, the Celtics won a
>franchise-low 15 games and lost a
> numbing 67. Pitino's Celtics are 28-31 after Wednesday
>night's 110-94 loss to
> Utah.
>
> This is fairly remarkable, for the Celtics, who have
>beaten Chicago and Los
> Angeles, have no inside presence to speak of. Like
>those old Providence teams,
> they live on the perimeter.
>
> Pitino, looking relaxed in green and white sweats,
>laughs. It's an hour before the
> Jazz game, and he has just been asked if he thought
>this team would have a
> serious whiff of .500 this late in the season. Stupid
>question, really.
>
> "It doesn't surprise me," he says.
> "But I think we're going to have to
> win 40 to make the playoffs. To be
> honest with you, I'm not sure if we
> can get there."
>
> When the Celtics signed Pitino, 45,
> to an unprecedented 10-year,
> $50-million contract, the open
> question in the NBA was this: could
> he convince 25-year-old veterans to
> dive on the floor for loose balls every
> night?
>
> In a word, yes.
>
> The Celtics, the youngest team in the
> league, simply try harder. Pitino --
> dubbed The Ricktator by the Boston
> Globe's Peter May -- gets his team
> to play every night, a novelty in a
> league of eight-figure annual salaries.
>
> Boston leads the league in forcing turnovers. The
>Celtics play a frenzied game of
> full-court pressure that requires the use of the
>entire
>roster. Eleven of the 12
> players average at least 12 minutes.
>
> "They are," says Charlotte coach Dave Cowens, a former
>Celtic, "like fleas on a
> dog."
>
> Against the Jazz, even veteran John Stockton succumbed
>to the double-team,
> turning the ball over on back-to-back possessions.
>
> In his latest book, "Success is a Choice," Pitino
>writes, "You want to succeed?
> OK, then succeed. Deserve it. How? Outwork everybody
>in
>sight. Sweat the
> small stuff. Sweat the big stuff. Go the extra mile."
>
> Cliches? Sure, but Pitino believes this stuff.
>Eventually, so do his players. It
> makes him the best coach in big-time sports. Pat
>Riley,
>Bill Parcells, Jim Leyland
> and Scotty Bowman all have enjoyed more than a modest
>share of talent over
> the years. Pitino is never satisfied.
>
> "If it's not broken, break it and make it better," he
>says. "We've kept working
> here to improve the roster. We've got a nucleus that
>gives us flexibility and a
> future."
>
> It's a mission statement he has achieved again and
>again.
>
> In 1978-79, Pitino took a 10-15 Boston University team
>and finished 17-9. In
> 1983, BU reached the NCAA tournament for the first
>time
>in 24 years. After
> two years at Providence, Pitino improved the Knicks by
>14 games in 1988 and
> ended a three-year playoff absence.
>
> "He's the best at creating chemistry," Donovan says.
>"It's probably the most
> underrated thing he does. He has chemistry every year.
>He builds an atmosphere
> where everyone believes."
>
> When Pitino took over at Kentucky in 1989, the
>legendary program had been
> leveled by NCAA sanctions. His athletic director told
>him he'd be lucky to win
> three or four games, but Pitino prodded the Wildcats
>to
>a 14-14 record --
> perhaps his best coaching effort.
>
> The only time he was blessed with talent, Kentucky won
>the NCAA
> championship in 1996.
>
> Pitino's only weakness? The Celtics' president and de
>facto general manager is
> not a shrewd personnel man. He drafted point guard
>Chauncey Billups with the
> No. 3 pick in last year's draft, then traded him.
>After
>signing free agent Chris
> Mills to a monster deal, Pitino traded him, too.
>
> Details, details.
>
> The impact of Pitino's craft can be seen beyond the
>court, where he has sent
> dozens of former players to success. Donovan is merely
>one. At 24, he was
> hired by Pitino as a Kentucky assistant. After five
>more years in Pitino's frantic
> orbit, Donovan went to Marshall, then in 1996 to
>Florida, where he is
> undeniably building a winner.
>
> Donovan's Gators are 13-13 going into Thursday night's
>SEC Tournament game
> against Auburn, and the prospects for next year are
>even better. The
> once-chubby point guard has assembled one of the
>nation's top recruiting
> classes. He has two McDonald's High School
>All-Americas
>coming next year,
> or one fewer than the school has had in its entire
>history.
>
> The critical mass in Florida's rise came Feb. 1, when
>the Gators stunned
> Kentucky -- Pitino's Kentucky, Donovan's Kentucky --
>86-78 in Lexington
> before a national television audience. It was the
>school's first win over a ranked
> SEC opponent on the road in a decade.
>
> At 7:30 the next morning, the phone rang at Donovan's
>house. It was, of course,
> Pitino.
>
> "Good job," he told Donovan. "Huge win. Hard work pays
>off, doesn't it?"
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 09:36:23 +0000
>From: Bob George <bgeorge7018@geocities.com>
>Subject: New Trivia Questions
>
>New questions are up. Go get 'em!
>
>Red Sox --
>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/soxtriv.html
>Patriots --
>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/patstriv.html
>Celtics --
>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/celtriv.html
>Bruins --
>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/brutriv.html
>
>
>- --
>Bob George
>
>Read Bob George's Best Of Boston Sports At
>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/index.html
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:28:38 -0500
>From: "Mike Dynon" <mdynon@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: Celts Triumphant: Boston 108- Washington 98
>
>On the plus side, KA and Barros combined for 16 assists and 0
>turnovers.
>That more than offset their poor shooting.
>
>- ----------
>> From: Bill Cooper <wfcooper@tiac.com>
>> Dana and Kenny combined
>> to shoot 6-24 in this game , including 1-8 on 3's. If the 2 point
>> guards are hitting at all the Celts could have won this game by 20+.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 15:03:52 -0500 (EST)
>From: Danny Fung Yee Lim <dlim@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
>Subject: RE: Billups&Mercer
>
>Duncan, Hill, Shaq. And maybe the right combination of of the right
>players. And that's it. Shareef is tempting but he hasn't shown the
>ability to win. Other talented young players such as Marbury, Garnett
>and
>so on do not fit our team scheme. But, since none of those three trades
>are likely to materialized, signing him is still the best option. -
>Danny
>
>
>>
>> On Friday, March 06, 1998 10:30 AM, ramani_rite@lnmta.bentley.edu
>>[SMTP:ramani_rite@lnmta.bentley.edu] wrote:
>> > Reef
>> >
>> > >Informal Poll:
>> > If forced to by circumstances, which NBA player would you trade AW
>> > straight up for next summer?
>> > {for fun, let?s pretend -within reason- that the other trading party
>> > would agree}.
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 12:14:44 +0000
>From: Bob George <bgeorge7018@geocities.com>
>Subject: Post Game Comments
>
>I think they looked okay today, but they still have the same
>flaws that don't permit them to beat the top teams in the NBA.
>They show their immaturity often in crunch time, and they have no
>answer for a team with a good center.
>
>1. Bob Cousy kept saying that "they'll go to (Reggie) Miller in
>crunch time, maybe every other possession, or maybe every
>possession." Disagree. Against the Celtics at this stage in
>their development, Smits is their key man. He looked almost as
>dominating as in their last meeting in January. When the Celts
>get their big man, then they'll have to get in Miller's face when
>he lauches his treys. Until then, I'm sure Larry Bird is quite
>aware of the Celtics' weakness in the paint.
>
>2. I like it when the Celtics press on defense, but again,
>against a good team like Indiana they beat it a couple of times
>resulting in guys left alone under the basket for easy layups.
>Can Pitino's KU press system work in the NBA? I still have
>nightmares over what he did to UMass in 1996 (of course, Camby
>did worse to his own team...), but the really good teams in the
>league will figure out how to get around it. Guys who pass
>quicker and more accurate will cause Pitino to lose a bit of
>sleep at times.
>
>3. Did you see Bird leave the court with a glum look on his
>face? He should be. He must be real upset that his team played
>relatively sloppy at times and let Boston hang around as long as
>it did at home. As much as the Celtics are learning to play
>better as a team, the bitter fact remains that Indiana could have
>won by 8-15 points if they had played better. Their shooting %
>was just as inconsistent as the Celtics.
>
>4. I like the Celtics' heart, and the fact that they fought
>every minute out there. They gave Indy a good game and ought to
>be happy. They'll start winning games like this real soon.
>
>- --
>Bob George
>
>Read Bob George's Best Of Boston Sports At
>http://www.geocities.com/Colosseum/Field/7018/index.html
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 15:16:25 -0500
>From: Dan <dforant1@nycap.rr.com>
>Subject: Pacers
>
>I think Larry had a load in his pants when we finished with them
>Sunday.
>That's 2 we could have won from them this year, and without much of an
>inside presence, including a no show from Walker, actually we were
>doing
>better before he came back in after the T he got. He was in Pine City
>for
>quite awhile. Next season I assume when we get a few more players,
>we'll
>kick their butt. They have an aging team. We have a young one with the
>best
>coach in basketball. Pitino should get coach of the year with this
>talent.
>Knight and DeClercq gave it the hustle but give up more points then
>their
>worth. Cous said the Pacers will not go deep into the playoffs, I
>believe
>it. Is it me or do we deserve more fouls called inside?? It's
>incredible
>how the hierarchy works in this league. Like politics. They had an
>extra
>ref for a few years now and they still suck. I know Walker's a bit
>hyped
>but are they baiting him a bit?
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:25:11 -0800 (PST)
>From: Evan LaGrasse <01elagra@jasper.uor.edu>
>Subject: RE: re Get rid of McCarty
>
>On Fri, 6 Mar 1998, John Lyell wrote:
>
>
>> McCarty has not changed much since college. He is extremely athletic for
>> his size but he never has been a good shooter, and is always out of
>> position & getting burnt on D. Could become a good sixth man but to me
>> just another Eric Williams, not physical enough to play the 4 , and not a
>> good enough outside shooter or ballhandler to play the 3.
>>
>>
>
>Just another Eric Williams??? As much as I like Walter's hard-work and
>athletiscism, Eric Williams is on a completely different level.
>Williams
>will score 20 ppg in this league (especially on the Nuggets) for years
>to
>come. In my opinion, it was stupid to let him go in the first place. If
>the basketball gods had been looking down on us, this would be the C's
>lineup right now:
>
>C Tim Duncan
>F Antoine Walker
>F Eric Williams
>G Ron Mercer
>G David Wesley
>
>Bench:
>G/F Rick Fox
>F Clarence Weatehrspoon
>C/F Michael Cage
>C/F Pervis Ellison
>G Dana Barros
>G Dee Brown
>C Marty Conlon!!!!!
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 21:46:22 GMT
>From: wfcooper@tiac.com (Bill Cooper)
>Subject: Celts Fall Short: Indiana 104- Boston 100
>
> The C's played well this afternoon, and were within a point of
>the Pacers (100-99) with a minute to go (off some very strong play
>down the stretch from Kenny Anderson). The Celts could never quite
>get over the hump to take the lead, and the Pacers did their usual
>extremely good job from the free throw line. Although Kenny played
>well down the stretch, he appeared to be favoring his injured knee,
>especially in the 4th quarter.
>
> As usual (at least in the games I've seen) the Pacers starting
>5 were marvelous. They picked the Celts defense apart at the start of
>the game, especially finding Dale Davis for any number of easy
>baskets. The Pacers took leads at 16-10 and 24-12. As L.B. removed
>his starters from the court, the Pacers offensive efficiency began to
>drop and the Celts were able to get back into the game. A three by
>Dana Barros, that dropped through the hoop as the horn ending the
>period sounded made the score 29-21.
>
> As usual (at least in the games I've seen) the Pacers backups
>seems to be totally incompetent. The Celts opened the 2nd with a 9-2
>run to pull to within 2 at 32-30. Bird put most of his starters in,
>and Indy regained their equilibrium,as they pushed the lead back up to
>49-42. But the Celts ended the quarter with a 9-2 run to take a 53-51
>lead going into the 2nd half.
>
> Once again, with the starters in the Pacer's offense roared
>into high gear. The Celts kept up for a little while, but the Pacers
>retook the lead and were able to push it up to double digits at 83-73,
>with about 2 minutes to go in the period. The Celts once again began
>to come back as Bird pulled his starters as the scored the last 4 to
>make the score 83-77 at the end of the quarter.
>
> The Celts continued their dominance of the Pacer's second
>string. They outscored Indiana 11-2 at the start of the 4th to take a
>short-lived 88-85 lead. As Bird put his starters back in, the Pacers
>began to revive. The Pacers went on a 9-0 run (which probably won the
>game for them). With 5:00 left in the game, the Pacers led 94-88.
>The Celts tightened their defense, and Kenny Anderson heated up on
>offense. Kenny scored 2 straight baskets to pull the Celts to within
>2 (94-92, 3:43 left). The Celts got another jumper from Anderson to
>pull to within a point at 98-97. Smits hit a hook shot and Anderson
>came back with another driving hoop to pull the Celts to within a
>point again at 100-99. On the next play, Miller ran off a Smits
>screen and grabbed Smits arm on the way by dragging him into Knight.
>The dupe.... er, mark....I mean, the ref called the foul on Travis,
>Smits hit the free throws to put the Pacers up by 3 (102-99 .35 left).
>Kenny finally missed a shot on the next play, Travis got the bound and
>had a good chance to put the ball back, but missed too. The Celts
>fouled the right guy on the next play, Dale Davis, but he hit both
>free throws to seal the win for the Pacers. The final was 104-100.
>
> Once again the Celts shot a respectable .470, but allowed the
>Pacers to shoot at a torrid .551 pace. The Celts gave up some easy
>baskets due to the press, but they didn't get the usual return. They
>caused 17 Pacer's turnovers, and worse committed 19 of their own. The
>only saving grace was the Celts 20-10 dominance of the offensive
>boards. =20
>
>Lineups:=20
>Celts Anderson, Mercer, Minor, Walker, DeClercq
>Pacers: Jackson, Miller, Mullen, D. Davis, Smits
>
>Players:
>Anderson. After a couple of weak shooting games, Kenny was hitting
>(7-13) and dishing (12 assists, 4 turnovers). He was great down the
>stretch, scoring 9 points (out of the Celts last 12), pretty easily
>driving on Jackson, or pulling up. The Pacers tried posting him with
>pretty good success in the 3rd quarter.
>
>Walker: Toine's quietest game in a long time. He got tagged for his
>3rd foul relatively early in the 2nd quarter (and threw a fit and got
>called for a technical). Pitino kept him out of the last 8 minutes or
>so for the 2nd quarter. Once again, Toine had a decent shooting
>night (7-15) and scored 15 points and 8 boards in 27 minutes.
>
>Mercer: Made some good plays, but didn't get many open jumpers in the
>game. He shot 6-13 and had 7 boards. 16 points in 43 minutes.
>
>DeClercq: played 35 minutes and had just 2 fouls. He played excellent
>defense on Smits. But, he fumbled a number of passes ( especially
>from Anderson) which led to 5 turnovers. More damaging, he probably
>should have scored 8-10 points of those passes. he did score 12,
>picked up 12 points and had 8 boards and 3 steals. Smits only took 7
>shots in the game (most against Travis) and had 4 turnovers of his
>own.
>
>Minor: poor shooting game at 1-6. He kept getting the ball to deep
>under the basket, and putting up weak shots. He did have 4 boards, 5
>points and 2 steals in 24 minutes.
>
>McCarty: Played with a lot of aggression, but not much judgement. He
>was 0-3 on threes, and was 3-11 overall. He did have 4 boards and 3
>steals in his 21 minutes.
>
>Barros: He was hitting his shots again tonight. He was 3-5, had 9
>points, and 2 assists in 15 minutes. =20
>
>Bowen: I guess that Pitino didn't have a pressing defensive
>assignments tonight. He played just 14 minutes and scored 8 points.
>
>Knight: Travis played another solid game tonight. He got 28 minutes,
>scored 12 points, and had 6 boards (5 offensive) in 28 minutes. He
>and DeClercq were in the game together for substantial periods of
>time, and they played pretty well together, especially on the
>offensive boards.
>
>Edney, Pervis, Jones: DNP
>
>Coaching: I guess Rick would have to be relatively happy about this
>game. The only real negative I can see, is that the game was
>definitely played at the Celtics tempo, but they didn't cause many
>turnovers and they committed far too many of their own. Meanwhile,
>they gave up a lot of easy baskets (Dale Davis scored 22 in the game,
>most off of easy lay-ups). The pressure defense was an invitation to
>the Pacers first string.
>
>The Celts are now 29-32 on the season. They host the Hawks this
>Wednesday
>
>Bill Cooper
>wfcooper@tiac.com
>
>
>
>=09
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:25:16 -0400
>From: "Cecil Wright" <cecil@hfx.andara.com>
>Subject: Re: Billups&Mercer
>
>- -----Original Message-----
>From: Danny Fung Yee Lim <dlim@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
>To: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Cc: 'ramani_rite@lnmta.bentley.edu' <ramani_rite@lnmta.bentley.edu>;
>celtics@igtc.COM <celtics@igtc.COM>
>Date: Sunday, March 08, 1998 4:38 PM
>Subject: RE: Billups&Mercer
>
>
>>
>>Duncan, Hill, Shaq. And maybe the right combination of of the right
>>players. And that's it. Shareef is tempting but he hasn't shown the
>>ability to win.
>
>I don't understand how the "ability to win" is relative to this.
>Outside of
>college, what has Hill won? Shaq hasn't yet won anything aside of
>public
>relations. Abdur-Rahim is a very skilled forward who has many facets
>to his
>game. He also has a center (Country), who though he's young, at least
>is a
>dependable body each night. Toine can't say he has that same luxury.
>
>What's with the technical foul situations lately with Toine?
>
>Cecil
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 08:48:28 -0800
>From: John Liang <liangj@asiaonline.net>
>Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V5 #106
>
>try
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:47:29 -0800
>From: "Long Time" <walkon@email.msn.com>
>Subject: I met robert Parish
>
>hey everyone,
>
>I just wanted to say that I met Robert Parish this morning at the
>Natick
>Mall. I was in awe at first and said I wouldnt go ask for an autograph.
>The
>I thought..what the hell..he was real nice. I told him I was sorry to
>bother
>him and asked for his autograph..
>I then said "you sure are tall." he said "yup I am.." I said thanks and
>walked away.
>c ya
>Mike
>
>Visit the Disgruntled Ex Burger King Employee Page!
>http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2645/index.html
>- -
>now everybody's got advice they just keep on givin
>Doesn't mean too much to me
>Lots of people have to make believe their living
>Can't decide who they should be
> -Boston
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:26:12 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: RE: Billups&Mercer
>
>> >
>> >Duncan, Hill, Shaq. And maybe the right combination of of the right
>> >players. And that's it. Shareef is tempting but he hasn't shown the
>> >ability to win.
>>
>> I don't understand how the "ability to win" is relative to this. Outside
>of
>> college, what has Hill won? Shaq hasn't yet won anything aside of public
>> relations. Abdur-Rahim is a very skilled forward who has many facets to
>his
>> game. He also has a center (Country), who though he's young, at least is
>a
>> dependable body each night. Toine can't say he has that same luxury.
>>
>> What's with the technical foul situations lately with Toine?
>>
>> Cecil
>>
>
>Cecil is correct. Other than Hill at Duke with a good supporting cast,
>
>none of these players have shown they can "Win". As far as feasibility
>
>Rahim is the only one that is really feasible if the Celtics chose not
>to
>resign Walker. Shaq , Duncan, & Hill probably aren't going anywhere.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:21:43 -0800
>From: John Lyell <Jlyell@concentric.net>
>Subject: RE: re Get rid of McCarty
>
>Evan Stated:
>
>
>> Just another Eric Williams??? As much as I like Walter's hard-work and
>> athletiscism, Eric Williams is on a completely different level. Williams
>> will score 20 ppg in this league (especially on the Nuggets) for years to
>> come. In my opinion, it was stupid to let him go in the first place. If
>> the basketball gods had been looking down on us, this would be the C's
>> lineup right now:
>>
>
>Williams could score 20, but he could give up 30. He was a poor
>defender
>(not that McCarty is much better) and couldn't hit a jumper
>consistently.
> He was too weak for thew 4 spot, and not quick enough or a good enough
>
>shooter for the 3. He wanted too much for Pitino's taste.
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 11:48:02 +0100
>From: Jo Hironaka <j.hironaka@unesco.org>
>Subject: Re:PeterMay
>
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>
>Hi:
>
>In case you missed it, Peter May lobbies in the 8 March Sunday Globe
>for
>Andrew DeClercq to be selected to this Summer's Team USA (Dream Team).
>I
>reread the passage several times, convinced he must be joking. It
>reads:
>
>"Ten players already have been chosen for the [World Championship]
>tournament, which is in Athens in late July and early August. Two more
>will be selected next month. You can be certain Tim Duncan will be one;
>there is no legit center on the roster (Vin Baker and Chris Webber come
>the closest). The other also will be from the NBA. Andrew DeClercq is
>available and is only a jump shot away from being a great player ."
>
>Geez ! It's lame enough that he lists Vin Baker as a backup center. Can
>anyone explain what's going on? Josh?
>
>IMO, DeClercq is just another stiff, try-hard, weight-room white kid
>with average hands and no hops. He is Joe Kleine Jr.
>
>IMO also, the most miraculous aspect of our '97-98 Celts is that they
>win despite having two starters (DeClercq and Minor) who might not even
>be 12th men on about one-third of the other NBA teams. Grazie Ricardo
>Pittino !!
>
>JoeHironaka
>
>
>P.S. Oops, I think Joe Kleine actually played on Bob Knight's 1984
>Olympic Gold Medal team, although so did Steve Alford...
>
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>
><HTML>
>Hi:
>
><P>In case you missed it, Peter May lobbies in the 8 March Sunday Globe
>for Andrew DeClercq to be selected to this Summer's Team USA (Dream
>Team).
>I reread the passage several times, convinced he must be joking. It
>reads:
>
><P>"Ten players already have been chosen for the [World Championship]
>tournament,
>which is in Athens in late July and early August. Two more will be
>selected
>next month. You can be certain Tim Duncan will be one; there is no
>legit
>center on the roster (Vin Baker and Chris Webber come the closest). The
>other also will be from the NBA.<B> Andrew DeClercq is available and is
>only a jump shot away from being a great player .</B>"<B></B>
>
><P>Geez ! It's lame enough that he lists Vin Baker as a backup center.
>Can anyone explain what's going on? Josh?
>
><P>IMO, DeClercq is just another stiff, try-hard, weight-room white kid
>with average hands and no hops. He is Joe Kleine Jr.
>
><P>IMO also, the most miraculous aspect of our '97-98 Celts is that
>they
>win despite having two starters (DeClercq and Minor) who might not even
>be 12th men on about one-third of the other NBA teams. Grazie
>Ricardo
>Pittino !!
>
><P>JoeHironaka
><BR>
>
><P>P.S. Oops, I think Joe Kleine actually played on Bob Knight's
>1984 Olympic Gold Medal team, although so did Steve Alford...</HTML>
>
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>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:03:50 +1000
>From: Warwick Janetzki <giants@eisa.net.au>
>Subject: Draft Dates
>
>Date: 24th June
>Lotter - May 17
>
>Cheers
>
>Warwick
>- --
>MZ?
>
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>
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