Re: Shot selection

[Kristian Anketell <kristian@footy.com.au>]

I totally back Alex here, I think ryans comments were unjust, abnoxious and
just plain rude.

ryan, this list is a forum for discussion and for ideas and questions to be
put to it's members. I personally think this is wonderful and I DO NOT
appreciate you turning it into a mud-slinging contest. GROW UP or keep your
comments to yourself as they only bring down the level of discussion and
totally ruin the up vibe that this list holds.

Kristian


At 07:48 PM 02-03-98 EST, you wrote:
>I hope this is my last post on this topic and that Mr. Lee will respect 
>my wishes not to be included in his posts. I'll only post again to 
>defend myself from further personal insults. 
>
>The original post was an estimate of how many points Walker is costing 
>the Celtics from his "bad shot selection", i.e. putting up many low 
>percentage shots and thus shooting a low percentage. If he chooses his 
>shots well (i.e. takes high percentage shots), his shooting percentage 
>will increase. The question, as someone said, is to decide what standard 
>to hold Walker to; that is, how well would he have to shoot to be declared
>to have "average shot selection". And this is really a subjective issue.
>So every estimate is based on some subjective assumptions and numbers;
>the goal is to choose reasonable ones. I've chosen numbers and assumptions
>that I felt were reasonable (not "random") and others have used different
>ones. 
>
>In any case, I don't feel that any of our estimates deserve to be berated 
>as "ridiculous" with no justification (especially by someone who professes
>to be unable to comprehend the explanation) which is how this "discussion" 
>began.
>
>I concur that it would be impossible to measure via box scores (and 
>difficult to even define) some universal "points lost" statistic related 
>to every event in every game. That, of course, was never my point.
>
>Alex
>
>> 
>> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:00:06 -0500
>> From: Ryan.Lee@parexel.com (Ryan Lee)
>> Subject: If Alex Wang is a teacher at MIT, Tisdale should be....
>> 
>>      the inventor of mathematics.  Again Mr. Wang throws in several 
>>      percentages and spews out a few statistical terms ( probability, 
>>      averages, etc. ) to make his case.  Forgive me if your MIT
explanation 
>>      is beyond human comprehension but Tisdale's explanation was more 
>>      concise and 100 times simpler than your throwing in random 
>>      percentages.  If Mr. Wang is such an expert in probability then I
find 
>>      it interesting that he did not use any probability theory whatsoever 
>>      to make his case.  The reason why I said earlier that you cannot 
>>      simply use percentages to analyze this Walker thing is because you 
>>      would have to take every event (steal, block, dunk, etc.) in every 
>>      game into account.  That is why you never see "numbers of points
lost" 
>>      statistics in any sports broadcast because it's too complex to get a 
>>      precise number for.  The more I think about it nobody can estimate
the 
>>      C's lost points just by using simple arithmetic or statistics.  This 
>>      is something for college professors to handle.
>>      Cheers!
>>      
>>      R
>>        
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