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Re: Antoine can improve...
From: "MICHAEL ZAINO" <mz3096@student.law.duke.edu>
Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 22:12:32 GMT-500
Regardless, I have still
be critical of Antoine but I was beginning to think that my criticism
was unwarrented until I stumbled upon ESPNET's total player rating
which rated Antoine 24th!! Right behind Brevin Knight and right ahead
of Mark Jackson!! I looked at the formula used and it seems that
Antoine's turnovers are hurting him real bad, which is why I was all
over him.
I don't know what the ESPN formula looks like, but here are the Tendex
ratings, which I trust a lot more, especially if they list Walker
behind Brevin Knight -- Knight is averaging 9.0 points a game. Walker
is one of only 5 20/10 players in the NBA -- the others are David
Robinson, Patrick Ewing, Shaqille O'Neal, and Karl Malone, which is
not bad company.
Abdur-rahim has pulled ahead of Walker in the past few weeks, but I
still think that Walker has the bigger upside potential, by far. The
only player from his draft class I'd consider trading Walker for is
Marbury. With Pitino as his coach, I think Walker is going to be one
of the top 5 players in the league for a long time ...
-Andy
From: http://shell.rmi.net/~doug/97-98Tendex.html
NBA 97-98 MyTendex Player Rankings
MyTendex (min 20 games) MyTendex/48min (min 23.0 min/gm)
Player Team MyTend Player Team Tend/48
1) robinson,david San 28.09 1) robinson,david San 39.49
2) malone,karl Uta 27.38 2) malone,karl Uta 35.41
3) payton,gary Sea 24.74 3) ewing,patrick NYK 31.63
4) jordan,michael Chi 24.05 4) barkley,charles Hou 31.55
5) garnett,kevin Min 23.99 5) payton,gary Sea 31.35
6) hardaway,tim Mia 23.68 6) hardaway,tim Mia 30.02
7) hill,grant Det 23.58 7) webber,chris Was 29.76
8) webber,chris Was 23.56 8) jordan,michael Chi 29.66
9) barkley,charles Hou 23.40 9) duncan,tim San 29.39
10) duncan,tim San 22.73 10) garnett,kevin Min 29.33
11) gugliotta,tom Min 22.28 11) sabonis,arvydas Por 29.09
12) strickland,rod Was 21.95 12) divac,vlade Cha 28.82
13) abdur-rahim,shar Van 21.69 13) jackson,mark Ind 28.63
14) ewing,patrick NYK 21.49 14) abdur-rahim,shar Van 28.28
15) mutombo,dikembe Atl 21.01 15) drexler,clyde Hou 28.15
16) walker,antoine Bos 20.91 16) manning,danny Pho 28.03
17) stoudamire,damon Tor 20.79 17) hill,grant Det 27.73
18) baker,vin Sea 20.55 18) willis,kevin Hou 27.72
19) drexler,clyde Hou 20.48 19) schrempf,detlef Sea 27.65
20) brandon,terrell Mil 19.94 20) baker,vin Sea 27.61
** Avg for Position = 10.19. ** Avg for Position = 18.90.
Centers
MyTendex (min 20 games) MyTendex/48min (min 23.0 min/gm)
Player Team MyTend Player Team Tend/48
1) robinson,david San 28.09 1) robinson,david San 39.49
2) ewing,patrick NYK 21.49 2) ewing,patrick NYK 31.63
3) mutombo,dikembe Atl 21.01 3) sabonis,arvydas Por 29.09
4) sabonis,arvydas Por 19.32 4) divac,vlade Cha 28.82
5) williams,jayson NJN 19.20 5) smits,rik Ind 26.69
6) divac,vlade Cha 18.76 6) mutombo,dikembe Atl 26.62
7) williams,brian Det 18.59 7) williams,jayson NJN 25.70
8) bradley,shawn Dal 17.70 8) bradley,shawn Dal 24.68
9) smits,rik Ind 16.76 9) williams,brian Det 24.47
10) seikaly,rony Orl 15.42 10) ilgauskas,zydrun Cle 24.33
11) wright,lorenzen LAC 14.79 11) austin,isaac Mia 22.65
12) reeves,bryant Van 13.93 12) polynice,olden Sac 22.47
13) garrett,dean Den 13.89 13) knight,travis Bos 22.37
14) austin,isaac Mia 13.49 14) wright,lorenzen LAC 21.99
15) miller,oliver Tor 12.98 15) seikaly,rony Orl 21.97
16) ilgauskas,zydrun Cle 12.86 16) johnson,ervin Mil 21.37
17) dampier,erick GSW 12.58 17) miller,oliver Tor 20.50
18) polynice,olden Sac 12.28 18) reeves,bryant Van 20.05
19) longley,luc Chi 11.96 19) ratliff,theo phi 19.91
20) johnson,ervin Mil 11.67 20) dampier,erick GSW 19.82
** Avg for Position = 9.92. ** Avg for Position = 19.91.
Power Forwards
MyTendex (min 20 games) MyTendex/48min (min 23.0 min/gm)
Player Team MyTend Player Team Tend/48
1) malone,karl Uta 27.38 1) malone,karl Uta 35.41
2) webber,chris Was 23.56 2) barkley,charles Hou 31.55
3) barkley,charles Hou 23.40 3) webber,chris Was 29.76
4) duncan,tim San 22.73 4) duncan,tim San 29.39
5) gugliotta,tom Min 22.28 5) manning,danny Pho 28.03
6) walker,antoine Bos 20.91 6) willis,kevin Hou 27.72
7) baker,vin Sea 20.55 7) baker,vin Sea 27.61
8) mason,anthony Cha 19.15 8) gugliotta,tom Min 27.46
9) laettner,christi Atl 18.85 9) mcdyess,antonio Pho 26.10
10) willis,kevin Hou 18.53 10) walker,antoine Bos 25.24
11) rodman,dennis Chi 17.08 11) laettner,christi Atl 25.07
12) grant,brian Por 16.89 12) grant,brian Por 24.59
13) kemp,shawn Cle 16.58 13) funderburke,lawr Sac 24.26
14) grant,horace Orl 15.85 14) campbell,elden LAL 24.25
15) mcdyess,antonio Pho 15.73 15) mason,anthony Cha 24.23
16) wallace,rasheed Por 15.54 16) rodman,dennis Chi 23.36
17) manning,danny Pho 15.38 17) kemp,shawn Cle 23.11
18) hill,tyrone Mil 14.91 18) henderson,alan Atl 22.64
19) smith,joe GSW 14.73 19) grant,horace Orl 21.57
20) campbell,elden LAL 14.11 20) davis,dale Ind 21.24
** Avg for Position = 10.63. ** Avg for Position = 20.25.
Small Forwards
MyTendex (min 20 games) MyTendex/48min (min 23.0 min/gm)
Player Team MyTend Player Team Tend/48
1) garnett,kevin Min 23.99 1) garnett,kevin Min 29.33
2) hill,grant Det 23.58 2) abdur-rahim,shar Van 28.28
3) abdur-rahim,shar Van 21.69 3) hill,grant Det 27.73
4) schrempf,detlef Sea 19.94 4) schrempf,detlef Sea 27.65
5) finley,michael Dal 18.18 5) marshall,donyell GSW 23.30
6) rice,glen Cha 18.05 6) ellis,dale Sea 23.16
7) robinson,glenn Mil 17.92 7) murray,lamond LAC 22.93
8) marshall,donyell GSW 17.73 8) mullin,chris Ind 22.49
9) howard,juwan Was 17.60 9) kukoc,toni Chi 22.09
10) williamson,corli Sac 14.83 10) owens,billy Sac 21.77
11) kukoc,toni Chi 14.67 11) rice,glen Cha 21.55
12) outlaw,charles Orl 14.61 12) robinson,glenn Mil 21.34
13) owens,billy Sac 14.46 13) weatherspoon,cla Phi 21.05
14) murray,lamond LAC 14.22 14) finley,michael Dal 21.05
15) johnson,larry NYK 13.28 15) outlaw,charles Orl 20.97
16) mashburn,jamal Mia 12.94 16) howard,juwan Was 20.59
17) wallace,john Tor 12.91 17) wallace,john Tor 20.56
18) weatherspoon,cla Phi 12.79 18) williamson,corli Sac 20.00
19) scott,dennis Dal 12.23 19) murray,tracy Was 20.00
20) mullin,chris Ind 12.18 20) johnson,larry NYK 19.64
** Avg for Position = 10.48. ** Avg for Position = 18.17.
Shooting Guards
MyTendex (min 20 games) MyTendex/48min (min 23.0 min/gm)
Player Team MyTend Player Team Tend/48
1) jordan,michael Chi 24.05 1) jordan,michael Chi 29.66
2) drexler,clyde Hou 20.48 2) drexler,clyde Hou 28.15
3) jones,eddie LAL 18.46 3) bryant,kobe LAL 25.38
4) person,wesley Cle 17.23 4) hornacek,jeff Uta 25.25
5) richmond,mitch Sac 17.01 5) jones,eddie LAL 24.50
6) smith,steve Atl 16.60 6) richmond,mitch Sac 22.18
7) hornacek,jeff Uta 16.43 7) hawkins,hersey Sea 21.76
8) miller,reggie Ind 15.24 8) miller,reggie Ind 21.52
9) gill,kendall NJN 14.98 9) person,wesley Cle 21.25
10) allen,ray Mil 14.60 10) smith,steve Atl 20.24
11) christie,doug Tor 14.41 11) gill,kendall NJN 20.15
12) barry,brent LAC 14.10 12) barry,brent LAC 19.82
13) stackhouse,jerry det 14.09 13) harper,ron Chi 19.81
14) kittles,kerry NJN 14.03 14) stackhouse,jerry det 19.74
15) rider,isaiah Por 13.93 15) anderson,derek Cle 19.49
16) hawkins,hersey Sea 13.70 16) starks,john NYK 19.40
17) jackson,jimmy Phi 13.69 17) christie,doug Tor 18.50
18) bryant,kobe LAL 13.68 18) allen,ray Mil 18.20
19) anderson,derek Cle 12.67 19) kittles,kerry NJN 17.94
20) harper,ron Chi 12.49 20) jackson,jimmy Phi 17.65
** Avg for Position = 9.64. ** Avg for Position = 17.01.
Point Guards
MyTendex (min 20 games) MyTendex/48min (min 23.0 min/gm)
Player Team MyTend Player Team Tend/48
1) payton,gary Sea 24.74 1) payton,gary Sea 31.35
2) hardaway,tim Mia 23.68 2) hardaway,tim Mia 30.02
3) strickland,rod Was 21.95 3) jackson,mark Ind 28.63
4) stoudamire,damon Tor 20.79 4) vanexel,nick LAL 26.80
5) brandon,terrell Mil 19.94 5) brandon,terrell Mil 26.80
6) iverson,allen Phi 19.62 6) strickland,rod Was 26.48
7) kidd,jason Pho 19.48 7) knight,brevin Cle 24.89
8) vanexel,nick LAL 18.89 8) cassell,sam NJN 24.78
9) marbury,stephon Min 18.34 9) kidd,jason Pho 24.53
10) cassell,sam NJN 17.92 10) iverson,allen Phi 24.44
11) jackson,mark Ind 16.81 11) stoudamire,damon Tor 24.09
12) knight,brevin Cle 16.16 12) ward,charlie NYK 23.81
13) johnson,avery San 15.05 13) marbury,stephon Min 23.09
14) blaylock,mookie Atl 14.17 14) price,mark Orl 22.43
15) jackson,bobby Den 14.11 15) armstrong,darrel Orl 21.17
16) wesley,david Cha 13.13 16) nash,steve Pho 20.42
17) hunter,lindsey Det 12.71 17) jackson,bobby Den 20.42
18) anderson,kenny Por 12.47 18) johnson,avery San 19.92
19) ward,charlie NYK 12.44 19) anderson,kenny Por 19.15
20) price,mark Orl 11.29 20) billups,chauncey Bos 18.92
** Avg for Position = 10.17. ** Avg for Position = 18.97.
Team Totals
MyTendex MyTendex Defensive
Team MyTendex Team MyTendex
1) LALakers 119.64 1) NYKnicks 84.73
2) SeattleSupersonics 116.60 2) ChicagoBulls 85.94
3) PhoenixSuns 112.03 3) IndianaPacers 87.84
4) MinnesotaT-wolves 109.67 4) ClevelandCavaliers 90.05
5) UtahJazz 108.90 5) SanAntonioSpurs 90.76
6) HoustonRockets 107.23 6) UtahJazz 90.96
7) IndianaPacers 106.62 7) DetroitPistons 91.99
8) WashingtonWizards 105.89 8) MiamiHeat 94.92
9) CharlotteHornets 105.86 9) SeattleSupersonics 95.11
10) SanAntonioSpurs 105.41 10) AtlantaHawks 95.32
11) ChicagoBulls 103.49 11) PortlandTrailBlazers 95.66
12) MiamiHeat 102.70 12) CharlotteHornets 98.21
13) AtlantaHawks 99.87 13) NJNets 98.22
14) PortlandTrailBlazers 99.26 14) WashingtonWizards 98.78
15) VancouverGrizzlies 98.63 15) PhoenixSuns 99.04
16) NJNets 98.10 16) OrlandoMagic 99.39
17) ClevelandCavaliers 98.00 17) MilwaukeeBucks 100.29
18) DetroitPistons 97.87 18) LALakers 101.35
19) MilwaukeeBucks 97.36 19) MinnesotaT-wolves 102.29
20) NYKnicks 96.85 20) BostonCeltics 104.34
21) SacramentoKings 96.58 21) SacramentoKings 104.84
22) TorontoRaptors 96.33 22) HoustonRockets 107.35
23) BostonCeltics 96.06 23) Philadelphia76ers 111.88
24) Philadelphia76ers 95.59 24) DallasMavericks 112.22
25) LAClippers 93.33 25) LAClippers 113.98
26) OrlandoMagic 92.80 26) GSWarriors 114.62
27) GSWarriors 89.35 27) DenverNuggets 116.96
28) DallasMavericks 88.51 28) TorontoRaptors 118.74
29) DenverNuggets 84.58 29) VancouverGrizzlies 119.41
Team Totals
MyTendex Difference
Team MyTendex Diff
1) SeattleSupersonics 21.49
2) IndianaPacers 18.78
3) LALakers 18.29
4) UtahJazz 17.94
5) ChicagoBulls 17.55
6) SanAntonioSpurs 14.65
7) PhoenixSuns 12.99
8) NYKnicks 12.12
9) ClevelandCavaliers 7.95
10) MiamiHeat 7.78
11) CharlotteHornets 7.65
12) MinnesotaT-wolves 7.38
13) WashingtonWizards 7.11
14) DetroitPistons 5.88
15) AtlantaHawks 4.55
16) PortlandTrailBlazers 3.60
17) HoustonRockets -0.12
18) NJNets -0.12
19) MilwaukeeBucks -2.93
20) OrlandoMagic -6.59
21) SacramentoKings -8.26
22) BostonCeltics -8.28
23) Philadelphia76ers -16.29
24) LAClippers -20.65
25) VancouverGrizzlies -20.78
26) TorontoRaptors -22.41
27) DallasMavericks -23.71
28) GSWarriors -25.27
29) DenverNuggets -32.38
Tnd - Pts (min 20 games) Tnd - Pts
Player High TndDiff Player Low TndDiff
1) rodman,dennis Chi 11.83 1) rider,isaiah Por -5.52
2) jackson,mark Ind 9.37 2) richmond,mitch Sac -5.33
3) kidd,jason Pho 9.23 3) newman,johnny Den -4.83
4) barkley,charles Hou 7.55 4) jordan,michael Chi -4.78
5) knight,brevin Cle 7.19 5) houston,allan NYK -4.76
6) williams,jayson NJN 7.02 6) rice,glen Cha -4.64
7) mason,anthony Cha 6.84 7) robinson,glenn Mil -4.56
8) garnett,kevin Min 6.82 8) chapman,rex Pho -4.50
9) divac,vlade Cha 6.74 9) miller,reggie Ind -4.46
10) mutombo,dikembe Atl 6.36 10) starks,john NYK -3.91
11) garrett,dean Den 6.35 11) washington,eric Den -3.89
12) horry,robert LAL 6.29 12) bryant,kobe LAL -3.38
13) outlaw,charles Orl 6.08 13) allen,ray Mil -3.34
14) davis,dale Ind 5.88 14) smith,steve Atl -3.27
15) payton,gary Sea 5.80 15) mercer,ron Bos -3.11
16) johnson,avery San 5.74 16) ellis,laphonso Den -2.89
17) strickland,rod Was 5.69 17) stackhouse,jerry det -2.82
18) green,a.c. Dal 5.48 18) scott,dennis Dal -2.66
19) ward,charlie NYK 5.44 19) davis,hubert Dal -2.63
20) duncan,tim San 5.39 20) murray,tracy Was -2.46
Player High TndDiff/48 Player Low TndDiff/48
1) rodman,dennis Chi 16.18 1) newman,johnny Den -8.20
2) jackson,mark Ind 15.96 2) washington,eric Den -7.32
3) wallace,ben Was 13.03 3) starks,john NYK -7.21
4) stewart,michael Sac 11.83 4) houston,allan NYK -7.17
5) feick,jamie Mil 11.73 5) richmond,mitch Sac -6.95
6) kidd,jason Pho 11.63 6) rider,isaiah Por -6.86
7) knight,brevin Cle 11.08 7) chapman,rex Pho -6.31
8) ward,charlie NYK 10.41 8) miller,reggie Ind -6.30
9) cage,michael NJN 10.37 9) bryant,kobe LAL -6.27
10) divac,vlade Cha 10.34 10) jordan,michael Chi -5.90
11) barkley,charles Hou 10.18 11) rice,glen Cha -5.54
12) davis,dale Ind 9.65 12) robinson,glenn Mil -5.43
13) horry,robert LAL 9.54 13) mercer,ron Bos -5.04
14) ellison,pervis Bos 9.49 14) davis,hubert Dal -4.66
15) williams,jayson NJN 9.40 15) murray,tracy Was -4.62
16) bogues,muggsy gsw 9.31 16) ellis,laphonso Den -4.61
17) cato,kelvin Por 9.19 17) carr,chris Min -4.38
18) perdue,will San 9.11 18) edwards,blue Van -4.34
19) garrett,dean Den 8.90 19) allen,ray Mil -4.17
20) outlaw,charles Orl 8.73 20) smith,steve Atl -3.98
Note: the current MyTendex formula is:
(PTS - FGmsd - (FTmsd/2) + 1.25*st + 1.25*as + bl
+ reb - 1.25*to - tc - 2*ff - pf/2) /
GamesPlayed)