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Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V5 #93
- To: Celtics@igtc.com
- Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest V5 #93
- From: Alex Wang <awang@mit.edu>
- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:20:03 EST
- In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:33:11 PST." <199802262233.OAA20045@igtc.igtc.com>
- Sender: owner-celtics@igtc.com
> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:37:01 -0500
> From: Ryan.Lee@parexel.com (Ryan Lee)
> Subject: ANTOINE COSTING THE CELT's TWO POINTS A GAME?
>
> Not to name any names and cause a huge flaming ring, somebody in the
> group said that Walker's current shot selection costs the Celtics only
> two points a game. That is RIDICULOUS!!!! With the number of missed
> passes and forced shots Walker makes, he's responsible for at least
> 10-15 lost points a game. When Walker decides to pass more the Celts
> offense is extremely hard to stop. When he hogs the ball, you see
> games like Golden State and Denver.
>
> R
I'll claim that statement. Really if you read what I said, the
idea was that if Walker shot 45% he'd be doing pretty decently
and we'd say his shot selection is decent. Let's make it 50%
to further illustrate my point. He's currently shooting 20 shots
at 40%. Say he shoots 50% which everyone will agree is a very good
percentage for someone who is also shooting three-pointers.
This means he hits two two-point shots that he is currently missing.
This translates to exactly four points per game. If we allow the
45% figure it's two points per game. You can further adjust it because
really, a missed shot can be rebounded so isn't a total loss.
So I'm saying, his poor shot selection rather than average or even
good shot selection costs 2-4 points per game. Instead of gauging
lost points by counting hits instead of misses, we can say, instead
of taking four bad shots at about 20% accuracy, he passes to a teammate
for 60% accuracy. This is pretty generous because it's not like the
rest of the Celtics are that great. Again his shooting percentage
would go up to 50% due to fewer shots. The expected number of points
the Celtics gain is 3.2 points.
So either way you count it, Walker is costing us 2-4 points per game
from what a "good shooting and passing" Walker would be getting us.
Your "at least" 10-15 lost points per game is in comparison to some
inhuman Walker that never takes a bad shot and shoots 80% from the floor.
Interesting tidbit: the Celtics currently get outscored by 2.4 ppg.
The 96-97 Bulls outscored their opponents by 11 ppg while the
97-98 Bulls are outscoring opponents by 6 ppg. So if we could have
the 10-15 ppg that Antoine is "losing" us, then I suppose the Celtics
would currently be about 45-2 and better than the world champs.
So whose figure is ridiculous now?
If you don't want to start a huge flaming ring, you should consider
actually reading and thinking through a post before throwing out your
own wild estimates.