Re: love ain't for keepin', scary stuff, sad stuff enough already!

[Impeachthebastid <bushchoked@xxxxxxxxx>]

>consider low desert with lows in 40's....high's in the summer, low 100's.(but 
it ain't dry heat).

Jo:

Too bad. The only way I could stand being in Arizona during the summer (1972) was the lack of humidity. It's extremely humid here, of course.

>On the other hand, Pete has written about California in more than one 
song......dang, I wish we could ask him these things so we wouldn't 
have to wonder.  
But, if that were the case, we'd have hardly anything to discuss on the 
list!

Right!

>Mark, you're forgetting that I was at Jeff's party and was involved 
with the arrangements and the follow through, so I don't have to be told about 
it; I have my own opinion.

Lela:

I've forgotten nothing; you can have your "opinion" all you like, but I wasn't at the party and didn't do anything TO the party, and even if I was and/or I had done something to it...that STILL doesn't give him leave to bring his bad feelings to the list! OK? No "opinion" can change that. So my point remains intact. If I'd killed his pets, if I'd taken away his way to make a living, if I'd alienated his family, if I'd wrongfully had him put in prison for life...it would STILL not justify bringing his stupid, bullheaded hatred to this list.

>Regardless that you and Jeff had a major falling 
out about it, it's time to let it go already.

So stop stating his "case" and tell him to let it go already. I let it go a long time ago. He came back out of the blue with no provocation insulting us. HE did that. I did not. Kevin did not. Scott did not. Clear? WE are NOT the guilty parties here. HE and ONLY he is. By trying so desperately to make it look otherwise you're eroding your own credibilty. And making me wonder why, because your points don't make any sense at all in light of the facts. Why are you pushing this so hard? Why is it so important to make it look like we've done something to Jeff anyway? As Zappa would say: "What's the deal?" Is this indeed some vast half-wit conspiracy?

>At this point, you are both offenders

No, he is the ONLY offender. He'd like you to make it appear to the list like we're equally to blame, because list opinion is important to him (I happen to know), but it's just not so! Not ONE of us said anything when he returned. ANY hostility, any hatred, and all of the destruction comes from him. What are you trying to suggest here, that we now can't even react when blatantly insulted? "Oh, walk softly around Jeff no matter what he says about you, because that's his style." Since when did being an asshole become a "style" anyway? Am I supposed to feel sorry for him because he insulted me then feels he can't post here as a result? And, too, somehow magically *I* am to blame for this. Is this suddenly the Bizzaro Who List??? Or, to be blunt, do you now work for the Bush administration? Only they deal in THIS much fantasy...they make Tolkien look like a non-fiction writer! And you're starting to as well!

> You and Kevin great guys, and I hate to see this go on.

It WASN'T "going on," until he insulted us. We've tried being nice, friendly, apologetic, forgiving, and finally just ended up ignoring him. And none of it worked because he won't accept it. He can't even stand being ignored, it seems. So talk to him, not me. Not Kevin. Not Scott. Really, Lela, you just can't make it our fault by any method...because it's NOT! CLEARLY not.

Kevin IS a great guy. Scott too. I don't know either VERY well, but what I do know of them tells me they are decent, honorable guys. They don't deserve this from you, and frankly Jeff is just not worth it. You might want to reconsider your position. As I reminded Joe: not so long ago Jeff's best friends on this list were Kevin, Scott and I. See how he treats us now? You might well be next.


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