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Re: I've got blisters on my.....penis!

Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 09:58:32 -0400
From: "O'Neal, Kevin W." <Kevin.ONeal@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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>No, I'm suggesting that the skin in question is thicker and less sensitive in circumcised >members.

Perhaps, but it's not on the level of "The increase in sensitivity is reportedly remarkable".

Sez you. OTOH, from http://www.noharmm.org/reversal.htm: "Men who restore say the increased sensation is comparable to
"the difference between seeing in black and white and seeing in color.""

That's a huge distortion, and when you write "reportedly", in all my research (a bunch by me and even more by my wife), we found only one account of "increased" sensitivity, or actually "loss" of sensitivity after having to be circumcised in adulthood. But, it wasn't anything *near* your exaggerated account as quoted above. *AND* that account was found on the most militant of anti-circ. sites.

Then I guess we're down to "my evidence can beat up your evidence". I read reports by individuals who thought enough of the benefits, including increased sensitivity, to go through a 1-to-3-year reconstruction process.

Condescension alert! You could, I'll stick with militant.

Loaded-term alert.

Any web site or person who tries to make a person feel like a criminal on this very personal and difficult decision, and who takes a tone of "you're stupid", to me, is militant.

Self-contradiction alert. You said I sounded as militant as the sites, but I've never tried to make you feel like a criminal. I think it's very unfortunate that a site's tone would work to the disadvantage of the facts it wants to present.

Come on Alan. There's just a *little* difference in cutting off a woman's clitoris (as still seen in some African cultures), a viable organ, than the removal of a tiny piece of unused skin.

I'm not for clitorectomy, either. And I continue to believe it's simply a mistake to think that the way we're born needs to be surgically altered. If and when a problem develops that warrants surgery, then have surgery.

We're not cuttin off the entire penis!

No, that comes later, with the after-effects of a botched cauterization. Of which I've seen the pictures, I'm not just making it up.

Don't forget that there are still *many* adult males that are having to have adult circumcisions due to infections, etc.

I wonder how many "many" is, and that still doesn't mean that millions of babies should be mutilated (loaded term alert) on the off chance that a few of them decades later might need the procedure. Hell, why not just replace both hips at birth? An appreciable percentage of babies will need *that* surgery eventually, and I'll bet a quarter right now that it's more than will need circumcision.

Too bad your information source didn't mention it's <smegma> easily prevented.

Assumption alert!

Denial alert. I really can't imagine why you'd refuse to believe a simple statement of fact that's readily available in health books and medical texts. Once again, "daily washing".

Alan, you really seem to get up in arms on this. First off it's source-*s*. Secondly, it's still a factor. So, what's the smegma factor after a long day at the office, and then you go to a bar, and a hot chick picks you up? You hang with her all evening, and then at around 1am, she wants to pleasure you. Hmmmmm, I'd be wondering how much smegma was down there. Will she notice? Will it smell? Will it cause me to be distracted?? Hmmmmm? Hmmmmm? And, more Hmmmmmmm?

Frankly, you'll have to ask someone who's in that situation. I'll just say that we're not talking about stuff being cranked out by the armload, and considering that a sizable number of men are NOT circumcised, and yet pick-ups in bars seem to continue at a healthy rate all over the world, I'd say you're worrying needlessly.

More fun facts from the site cited above: Circumcision in the U.S. sprang from an erroneous belief among physicians that it cured masturbation. The studies about cancer and STDs came later. The only western countries to adopt universal circumcision were English-speaking nations like Australia and Canada. Their circumcision rates have now plummeted to 10% and 25% respectively. Britain stopped routine infant circumcision in 1949.

Sort of like surgically removing the skin of your armpits at birth because they will develop an >offensive smell. Oh, unless you wash occasionally? Yes, I guess you could do that instead...

It might happen, if in adulthood people had to go through a painful pit skin removal.

I really can't see what you're getting at here. Adults *don't* go through that process, because they wash instead (or simply smell, which isn't the end of the world either). And, to continue this silly example a bit further, there is a condition of extreme sweating which is treated by surgery. But amazingly, we don't do that surgery on all babies on the chance they might develop that condition later.

I'm trying to imagine just why a man would actually medically *need* to get circumcised,

Guess you've got more journal reading to do, since your initial research didn't go into that part. Or, is it the web sites you're relying on try to ignore this medical *fact*. I know they do. I read many that did.

and then how miniscule the probability of that event would be.

Again, do more research. It's not as "miniscule" as you might think.

Care to answer the questions, or are you just going to hold your hands behind your back and hum? Once again, why is it needed, and how common is this need?

As for violently painful, it's clearly painful for an infant.

Well, I don't know what you've *read*, but my boy only cried at being laid out under a light. He calmed quickly down, and even the injection of painkiller didn't upset him. Not a peep for the rest of the procedure. Now, daddy, on the other hand was doing the pee-pee dance! "Did that hurt, it *looked* real painful." (Eddie Murphy in 48hours.) Oh, and I don't remember a thing before the age of about 3.......or after college. ;-)
I'll leave it to specialists in brain development to compare the experience in a 6-day-old brain >vs. that of a grown man.

Not really a fair comparison to claim that it's violently painful for men, but no big deal for a baby IF PAINKILLER IS INJECTED, is it?

Try wearing jeans with no underwear every day for a week or so.

I do all the time.

You'll notice the difference the first day

Not.

Then take it to the next level. Sew a piece of burlap into the crotch. Or fine-grit sandpaper. You'll get there.

With this, I am going to have mercy on the list. Anyone who wants to receive my side of this dialogue, should it continue, offline, e-mail me privately.

Cheers,
Alan
"the average Texan...carries not just a gun but a SHOTGUN." --Pete Townshend, 1967