Who Created God (no WHO)

["Andrew Valenti" <apvalenti@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

In support of Helen's comments to Joe, there are two primary messages in the 
Old Testament and the New Testament regarding the eternal existance of God.
Helen is right when she suggest that folks should actually READ the Bible 
before coming to a conclusion on many of these topics. This is a daunting 
task and as a result many just skip the reading and form their own opinions 
based on (a) what they remember reading (b) what they remember being taught 
in a house of worship (c) pseudo religion picked up from the movies, books, 
etc.

In any event, here are the references:


Old Testament

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth." - Genesis 1:1

"So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; 
male and female created he them." - Genesis 1:27


New Testament

John 1

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was 
God. 2He was with God in the beginning.
3Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has 
been made. 4In him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The light 
shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood[1] it.

John 8

57"You are not yet fifty years old," the Jews said to him, "and you have 
seen Abraham!"
58"I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am!" 
59At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, 
slipping away from the temple grounds.



In the Old Testament, God is presented as the creator of all things, 
including mankind. Since God exisited eternally, there is no account of who 
or how God was created.

In the New Testament, it is a bit more explicit on God's eternal existance. 
The Word refers to Jesus Christ and who was with God in the beginning and 
through whom all things were made. Since God made all things, he exists 
OUTSIDE the created universe, in the same way a watchmaker sit outside the 
watch that he is created.

I agree that this is a difficult concept to understand let alone accept. You 
can see in the second selection from John, that the temple elders, the 
custodians of organized religion in Jesus' time, also had difficult with 
this concept. They were ready to stone Jesus.

Anyway, I hope that this has sparked curiosity in anyone who has pondered 
these questions and I invite those who wish to continue this dicussion to 
email me privately.

Andy


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