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Re: Bjorn on Crack
good points magik...
ive always had the same feeling about pete-
i remember him saying in a post that he regularly refuses autographs,let
alone care if he offends anyone!
at watford,i was walking around the colloseum early in th day and there
were about 20 peopl hanging out at the back waiting for a glimpse/meet...
i didnt stay though.
but about 3yrs ago i had the opportunity to meet roger..
went thru the same thoughts and worries..
DO i want to risk killing the image of a band whos music means so much to
me/??
what if he turns up in a bad mood and dismisses me....etc.
but i knew it was a one-off chance so i took it..and luckily he was
great.signed everythign i brought and talked for about 5 or 10mins about
dublin,possible new who stuff etc..and he told me about the sheperds bush
show that was coming up (hadnt been announced at the time - didnt help - i
STILL couldnt get a ticket!)
but basically,im happy that im FAR from bored with the band and will always
go see them whenever i can..
i havent forgotten the days i fell in love with whos next or quadrophenia...
>From: magik <magik1@optonline.net>
>Reply-To: thewho@igtc.com
>To: thewho@igtc.com
>Subject: Re: Bjorn on Crack
>Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2002 08:56:15 -0500
>
>Dave,
>
>I want to jump in on this one. First of all, I saw all 5 shows on the
>recent
>mini-tour and they were all fantastic shows! And I saw them many times on
>Tour2K. And aside from a handful of songs, they've been playing the same
>basic
>setlist. I don't think the problem lays there. Sure I wish they would throw
>in a
>few different songs, but that is still acceptable. One of the problems is
>getting too close to the band, or getting too close to your heroes.
>
>At the first show of the 2K tour in Chicago, I was offered by a newly made
>friend to go backstage and assist in interviewing PT. At first, I thought
>the
>guy who made the offer was pulling my leg, but I found out later he was
>serious.
>At the time, Pete was still my favorite member. I was totally a PT lifelong
>fan.
>But, my first response was, no thanks, I really don't want to get too close
>to
>my hero because you may end up seeing something you rather not know.
>
>To give you more background, I work in the entertainment industry with the
>transportation dept, in, NYC and work mostly on TV shows & movies. Major
>shows,
>with the biggest stars in the world. Some of them are great and some are
>total
>butt-holes. If you meet one of your favorite actors, and they turn out to
>be a
>dick behind the scenes, you come away with a totally different opinion of
>your
>hero.
>
>Getting back to the Who. Seeing them so many times, remarkably in very
>close
>seats, you start to see more of the personalities and how they interact. If
>you
>only see them once, you may not notice it. But see them alot and it starts
>to
>hit you that there's something going on, that you may or may not like. Then
>there's going backstage, where you see more. More than maybe you want to
>know,
>hard as it is to believe.
>
>In addition, in Bjorn's case, he has other priorities at the moment, and
>his
>passion for the Who, a nearly unequaled one, is divided with other things
>in his
>personal life. That's something that happens to most of us during life. We
>grow
>& change. And when one from your group of friends suddenly stops hanging
>out
>with the crowd, there's usually an uproar in the group of friends. No
>matter
>what his reasoning is.
>
>Back to the Who again, I think they are the most mis-managed band in the
>world
>and am amazed there is hardly any fan base in the UK for them. In
>Portsmouth &
>Watford, very tiny venues, there were many locals that didn't even know
>they
>were playing in their town. There was almost no mention in the papers or on
>TV
>about it either. And the tix are in a very reasonable price range. Then
>they
>come to the US and tickets are priced anywhere from approx, twice to ten
>times
>as much, it makes you wonder why. If it's not the band, then it's their
>management and greed is a word that comes to your mind.
>
>So, there's always a danger of getting too close, knowing too much and then
>it
>affecting your love or opinion of the band. I myself will not be going to
>too
>many of these upcoming shows, probably only the ones on the weekend, nearby
>where I live. My cup has not runneth over, but some of the behind the
>scenes
>stuff are like ice cubes, that raises the liquid (the WHO Juice) close to
>the
>edge. And I wouldn't want to get to that point, so in my case, I will take
>the
>whole experience in small doses.
>
>magik
>
>
>
>
>irish dave wrote:
>
> > wow - a backlash WITHIN the Who community.....
> >
> > this brings to mind something someone mentioned here last yr -
> > going to EVERY show detracts from your enjoyment...takes the special
>quality
> > away.there's no novelty..
> > in saying that , went to both RAH and Watford and loved every minute of
> > each.
> > the one thought i had thru watford was HOW do they just keep on getting
> > better??
> >
> > but that was my o/d within London - too expensive for me to travel to
> > USA....
> >
> > from memory,bjorn - you followed a lot of shows last tour?
> >
> > a concert IS a show - there's going to be repetition and lack of spark.
> > but if you only see them once,you dont notice this.
> > if they avoided repetition and just took chances all the time,we MAY get
>the
> > best performance ever,but for every show that came off,there'd be 3 that
> > wouldn't
> > we'd all love to see them decide on the spot to play something old off
>the
> > cuff....but how often can that be done to a good effect?
> >
> > >From: Bjorn Ciggaar <ciggaar@warande.net>
> > >Reply-To: thewho@igtc.com
> > >To: thewho@igtc.com
> > >Subject: RE: Bjorn on Crack
> > >Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2002 14:45:03 +0100
> > >
> > >At 08:37 21-2-02 -0500, Kevin wrote:
> > >
> > > > >From: Bjorn Ciggaar <ciggaar@warande.net>
> > > > >Subject: Re: The Who to Add 3rd & 4th MSG Shows
> > > > >
> > > > >BTW; I'm not going to follow the guys this tour... $550 for a
>decent
> > > > >ticket? I can follow an entire JEB tour *INCLUDING* hotel prices
>for
> > >that
> > > > >kinda money. And besides, no hassle in getting up front, he's
>playing
> > >small
> > > >
> > > > >places... And to be really honest (IMO); the music is better...
> > > >
> > > >Bjorn, put the crack pipe down and back away from the computer.
> > > >I understand that it's your opinion, but really, "the music is
>better"???
> > > >Come on. There is no way JEB is better music than THE WHO.
> > >
> > >Are we arguing about taste? :-0
> > >
> > > >Ask yourself that again in a moment of clarity and honesty.
> > > >If your financial reality prevents you from hittin' The Who, that's a
> > > >completely respectable reason. A decision that I completely respect
>and
> > > >have had to make myself once. But, you don't have to justify it in
>your
> > > >mind by dismissing the band that just two years ago you were
>completely
> > > >devoted to.
> > > >I've seen The Who. I know The Who. And Bjorn, JEB is no Who.
> > > >JEB is good, and does get you good access, but please.
> > > >No comparison.......IMO.
> > >
> > >Indeed, in you opinion. I'm just comparing the WHO shows I've seen to
>the
> > >JEB shows. Songs that just really hit me are "Love is a heart attack"
>and
> > >"Shaking All Over".
> > >Seeing The Who is something really special. But after the RAH shows, I
> > >dunno... I prefer seeing the JEB play. Not only because of the money,
>but
> > >also because of the music and fun.
> > >Also; their "Sparks" rocked and made die-hard Who fans cry. When The
>Who
> > >played it recently, most didn't even recognise it ("was it played or
> > >not???".
> > >
> > >And above all, the JEB isn't in it for the money. It's die-hard rockers
>on
> > >the road, just for the music.
> > >
> > >No comparison... IMO...
> > >
> > >Bjorn
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