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Kevin Mc's Question



Mc (and to anyone else who gives a shit):

** My apologies to those of you who could care less, for the lengthy post
that follows.  Please scroll past if you're not a follower of this nonsense.

>>Does Mark dislike Jim in CO more (and vice-versa), or does AEB dislike
Kevin 

>>Mc more.

Your question presents the opportunity to make some points about what I
think is going on here and hopefully stop it for good.  But first, I want to
tell anyone who is watching this soap opera, that I honestly would rather be
reading and writing posts about The Who than having these bizarre exchanges
with Mark, but somehow I end up going toe to toe with him constantly.  I
guess I don't like seeing people pushed around, let alone get pushed around
myself, and I made the mistake of getting into a disagreement with Mark
based on that principle that has gone on since.  I don't like liars,
hypocrites and manipulators and again, my mistake was to get into an
argument with the Trifecta.

I want to use Mark's various replies to your question to illustrate.  Keep
in mind that in each of the last several "disagreements" with Mark, I've let
him have his final attack, and I've kept quiet.  Like most other episodes,
because Mark can't restrain himself, we're discussing this instead of The
Who.

>That Jim dislikes me is obvious, although I don't doubt he'll rush to deny
it NOW (too late).

Consistently, Mark likes to attack your character directly.  Here he implies
that I secretly dislike him, but will "rush" to claim the opposite,
apparently in a vain attempt to fool people into thinking that I'm not a bad
guy.

But the truth is, I have no problem telling people that I don't like Mark.
In fact, I think Mark is an asshole, and I don't much care for assholes.  I
think he borders on being a "fucking" asshole.  Why would I lie and try to
hide it?  I've nothing to lose.  Nothing wrong in pointing out an asshole
when you see one.

>I don't dislike Jim...just used his predictability to make a bit of side
money,

>which is always welcome in this Bush economy.

This is an easy one.  Mark doesn't like me, and if he did, he should be
locked up.  One of us can admit how he feels honestly and the other one lies
about it.  I think Mark will post a message saying something like this, and
then go strangle his teddy bear when he shuts off his PC.  I also don't much
care for people who aren't honest about themselves; phony people who portray
themselves as something they aren't.

What's most revealing about this statement is, this is also an illustration
of Mark's other great quality - he's a snake.  Here, he deliberately started
this latest distraction in order to make a "tidy" $20.  He says he did.  A
few weeks back he was giddy because he proudly "manipulated" me into
something else.  Further back, it was snide implications.  That's the
behavior of a snake intent on disruption.  I don't like snaky people that
you can't turn your back on either.

>He seems to think that somehow Kevin and I try to "control" this list, 

Here he's calling for backup.  Kevin isn't involved in this stupid exchange,
but Mark is intent on including him now.  However, he wants me to babble
something to provoke Kevin.  I'm not biting because I don't have any problem
with Kevin.  Since Kevin and I had our disagreements, we have kept a
respectful distance from one another, in what I believe is an honest attempt
not piss each other off.  By understanding that he and I (and the list) are
better off just not starting anything with each other, I think Kevin is
smarter than Mark and more of a man.  I also think that Kevin would rather
be discussing Who topics than sparring with me, at least I hope so, but Mark
is intent on making trouble.  He can't leave things alone, as he's
illustrated enough times in the last couple months.  This is a grown man
acting like a spoiled kid.  I don't much care for that as well.

>Of course, he also said he was leaving...twice now...and has yet to do so.

This last statement is an example of a raving nut.  I don't see any logic in
pointing something like this out.  And your point is?  It's also another
example of Mark's personality; he takes something that happened, refers to
something else that happened, changes the context of it and blends it into a
weird accusation of some kind.

I did leave the list for several months for one reason - Mark.  As I said
earlier, I only want to talk about music and The Who here, but from the
endless ravings of Mark on list and the endless off-list emails he kept
sending me, I decided that this guy has serious problems and I didn't want
to be dealing with that shit.  Many friends on this list convinced me that I
should stick around, so I did.  Even some of Mark's pals encouraged me not
to be bothered by him (don't worry, I won't say who) so I kept getting the
digest and simply read them.  After a few months, I posted again.  For some
reason, Mark likes to point this out, but does it really mean anything?  Who
cares?  Jeff split for a while and came back too; I was delighted to meet
Buck as a result!  I don't see anything wrong in that either, but somehow
Mark thinks that means you're a Republican or something.

As for "twice"?  This is where Mark artfully twists the truth.  About three
weeks ago, I said that I might be off list for a while.  I didn't go into
detail saying why, but I mentioned that I might be out of job and therefore
without email and the digest.  I also said that I'd be back.  Turned out, I
didn't lose my job, and it was back to work and email.  Now, that's far from
saying I'm quitting the list.  But it was enough for Mark to twist it into
something else.

I'm sorry for this long post, but your question afforded me an opportunity
to address what I think needs to be addressed.  I've tried to stay away from
Mark and I would love to still.  It gets old, you know?  I open this digest
every day looking for Who news, and interesting topics to discuss, and every
day there's some slithering piece of garbage written by Mark staring back at
me from the monitor.  My weakness is my inability to let it go, but I try.
If I had it down, I wouldn't even be involved in this right now, but I'm
human, and I have a hard time sitting still while under personal attack.

The funny part is, Mark pegged me as an enemy because of a political
disagreement last year but the guy just can't let things lie still to this
day.  He keeps digging.  My fault is, I despise hypocrites and fake people,
and it's my belief that Mark is what Pete Townshend calls, "a put on".  The
truth is, I've been suckered in because I allowed myself to.  And I
regretfully wish I was talking about Quadrophenia instead of being involved
in this freak show.  His delusions of grandeur cause him to impulsively spew
out examples of his twisted superiority so how do you deal with something
like that?  Something that's directed at you on a daily basis?

I'd really like to end this now if Mark will allow it.  He can say what he
needs to say in response, and I'll leave it at that.  Once again, he'll have
the proverbial "last word", but do you think he'll be able to let it lie
after that?  I'll believe that when I don't see it, if you know what I mean.
Man, I would love to meet Mark face to face in order to put a stop to it.
As much as I would really enjoy that, it's not reality is it?  He wouldn't
meet me face to face if it would get Clinton re-elected, and he feels
powerful hiding behind his computer.  So since he's got all the cards in the
deck, let's ask him.  How about it Mark?

Here for everyone on the list to see, here's the offer:

Make your reply, and leave it be.  Can you do that?  This list isn't in
existence for you to make any more "tidy" sums of money through unwarranted
provocation.  Once you've made your remarks, drop it.  In the future, don't
mention me, and I won't mention you.  Don't read my posts and I won't read
yours.  Don't discuss me, and I won't discuss you.  Is that fair enough?
Before everyone here, will you agree to that, and more importantly, stand by
that?

Jim in Colo Springs