Re: Beatles/Who/Dylan

["Mark R. Leaman" <mleaman@sccoast.net>]

> First of all, The Beatles did NOT break up because of Tommy...that's an
> asinine statement.

Drew:

No, it was a joke.

Besides, how do you know? McCartney admitted writing Helter Skelter because
of I Can See For Miles, and we also know John used feedback on I Feel Fine 4
months after The Who (as The High Numbers) opened for The Beatles.

> Hendrix, etc.).  And if you're going to say Who's Next was unlike anything
> coming out in 1971, you also have to include Led Zeppelin 4, Meddle by
> Pink Floyd, Aqualung by Jethro Tull, Sticky fingers by the Stones, and
> others...all kick ass albums and all quite groundbreaking in that year.

True...but WN was nothing like any of them. As I said. Sticky Fingers was in
fact a retreat to the Stones' old RnR sound.

> have heard that from a lot of people.  The Who are pretty much in a class
of
> their own.  The rock opera concept, and just the general sound of the
group
> is so unique and ground-breaking, not to mention they could kick any other
> group's ass as a live act

Gloria:

You hit the nail on the head. No other band, including the vaulted Beatles,
were trying to do more than write entertainment EXCEPT The Who, who were
trying their damnest to take music up a level to a spiritual plane.

...(now maybe Led Zeppelin in their prime would give

Zeppelin in 1968-1970 were as good live as The Who, although while The Who
changed their songs to compensate for no overdubbing Zep's music just sounds
thinner. But their performance is still up there.

> them a good run for their money)  By the way, has anyone noticed on Green
> Day's song "Warning" how that one guitar sound in the middle of the song
> sounds just like the Who???

Ever hear Green Day's version of My Generation (on Kerplunk)?

> Again, I have to admit to ignorance.  How long is the finished version a
la
> Lifehouse Chronicles?  Is that it?  What do you think he edited out?
> Lyrics?  Music?  Both, for the final WHO'S NEXT version?

The edited 9 minute instrumental is on there, as is the finished with vocals
version AND another one entirely called Teenage Wasteland which appears to
be a later recording...perhaps around the time of the WAY demos?

> Of course, it's speculation.  I'm in Intuitionist mode for this
discussion.
> But I do have this self-indulgent notion that I can recognize genius when
I
> hear it.  ;)

You're entitled to that belief, but I'm also entitled to challenge it when
you take it too far.

> Depends, maybe.  Pete still seems to have a reasonably high profile as

No, that's pretty definite. Check the sales figures on Psycho and the
Greatest Hits. Jagger's new one will sell more, and his solo stuff sucks.

> Sgt Pepper's was not a risky move at all.  How can u say that?  It was
> Beatles music with the same basic sound of their hits.  So it told a
story-

Sroundtable:

That's not what I meant. I meant the sound, using horns and strings instead
of guitars. THAT was a risky move.

> ya know, ya better be careful about anything you say referring to other
bands

TJ:

I think we have to go into any discussion figuring no one here is immature
enough to get so easily offended. I mean, we're all aware of those who think
The Who is shit and we don't get all bent out of shape, right?

> but what about artists like frank zappa, and brian wilson, and bob dylan?

I don't know that Dylan did much innovation in the studio. His lyrics, sure.

> collaborate on a set of new songs.  What is The Who brand name going to be
> used for in the coming months and years?

Jeff:

Don't forget the Whofest Retirement Home I'll be building in the Smoky
Mountains about 10 years from now.


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