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The Who Mailing List Digest wrote:
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> The Who Mailing List Digest
> Monday, July 14 1997Volume 04 : Number 176
> 
> In this issue:
> 
>         Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V4 #175
>         Re: arse tap / "Athena"
>         Re: Cincinnati
>         SlitSkirts and Art School
>         Re: Art School
>         RE: Alan's take on Slit Skirts
>         Set list for upcoming tour
>         Re: Art School
>         townshend and art school--
>         Tap into The Who
>         missed it - please fill me in
>         Re: Art School
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:25:09 -0700
> From: "John W. Leys" <leys@skipnet.com>
> Subject: Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V4 #175
> 
> > Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:43:26 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Jennifer Lee Davies <jen@nt.net>
> > Subject: "Athena"
> >
> >         I was for the first time listening to the lyrics (not for the
> > "whore" vs "bomb" debate), and the reference to the Tommy movie just about
> > killed me!  It's priceless!
> >         (For those who don't know what I mean, it's something about in a
> > dream seeing a huge snake in a ribcage.)
> >
> > JenniferD
> 
> I believe the lyric is:
> "There was a beautiful white horse I saw in a dream state
> It had a snake the size of a sewer pipe planted in his ribcage..."
> 
> It's a reference to a dream Pete had. He talks about this dream in more
> detail in 'Horses', a story in his book, "Horses Neck".
> - --
> Alba Gu Brath!
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> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:56:33 -0500
> From: amck@eden.com (Alan McKendree)
> Subject: Re: arse tap / "Athena"
> 
> At 17:53 7/13/97, The Who Mailing List Digest wrote:
> >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:32:59 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: niki@flinet.com (Niki Bennett)
> >Subject: arse tap
> >
> >Watch the beginning of Spinal Tap where "Marti di Bergi"
> >>(or whatever) talks about Spinal Tap as being "Britain's loudest rock
> >>group".  This is NOT a compliment.
> >
> >No,it's a fact, Phil.
> 
> What's a fact?  That "Marti di Bergi" (or whatever) talks about ST being
> "Britain's loudest group"?
> 
> >But did you know Spinal Tap was not a real band?
> 
> You must think we're a bunch of complete morons.  FWIW, did _you_ know that
> they actually performed from time to time, at least once being in the Royal
> Albert Hall?
> 
> >Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 19:43:26 -0400 (EDT)
> >From: Jennifer Lee Davies <jen@nt.net>
> >Subject: "Athena"
> >
> >        I was for the first time listening to the lyrics (not for the
> >"whore" vs "bomb" debate), and the reference to the Tommy movie just about
> >killed me!  It's priceless!
> >        (For those who don't know what I mean, it's something about in a
> >dream seeing a huge snake in a ribcage.)
> 
> (paraphrasing from memory):"...white horse I saw in a dream stage/He had a
> snake the size of a sewer pipe living in his rib cage."  I thought of the
> image from Tommy when I heard first heard Athena, but I don't think it's
> really a reference to the Tommy movie so much as a recurrent image in
> Pete's thinking which he chose to include in both those works.  The horse
> with a snake inside it is also mentioned in _Horse's Neck_, although I'm
> too lame to look up the page number.
> 
> Alan
> 
> "When I'm on stage, it's not like bein' possessed...it's just...*I* *do*
> *my* *job*."                 - Pete Townshend
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Sun, 13 Jul 1997 23:56:36 -0500
> From: amck@eden.com (Alan McKendree)
> Subject: Re: Cincinnati
> 
> At 15:53 7/12/97, The Who Mailing List Digest wrote:
> >Date: Sat, 12 Jul 1997 02:09:19 -0500 (CDT)
> >From: William Sherman -Visualization <wsherman@ncsa.uiuc.edu>
> >Subject: Re:  Cincinnati
> >
> >> "It's sympathy not tears people need when they're the front page sad news"
> >
> >That's the exact line I had planned to post to the group as
> >evidence that perhaps Pete did comment on Cincinnati.  I had just
> >forgotten that it was from Slit Skirts (and since I never even
> >bothered to get off my ass and post it, it's no surprise I didn't
> >go dig out Chinese Eyes to listen to the full song).
> 
> Sounds like you and I are both members of the Procrastinator's Club.  We
> should get together for a beer and Who discussion sometime.  I think I have
> some time in 2015, if that fits your schedule...:-)
> 
> >> Could this be the reason that the lover in the song is now
> >> "cooled and stifled"?
> >
> >Okay, I'm not sure I buy that last bit.
> 
> Nor I.  I would certainly be open to counter-arguments (e.g., a simple
> statement from Pete consisting of "nope" :-) and wouldn't be too surprised
> to find that that suggestion is a load of bollocks.  HowEVer, I was looking
> for a way to tie these two things together -- the idea being that, giving
> Pete credit for being a great songwriter/lyricist/poet, I couldn't propose
> my interpretation without including something along the lines of an
> overarching integration of the song.  The alternative would be to claim
> that Pete interwove two ideas or themes into the song but kept them totally
> separate or unrelated within the song, in which case the song becomes
> weaker -- if he's going to keep his two topics unrelated, why not write a
> song about, say, a man's fear of a woman's rejection, and resurfacing a
> kitchen floor, or changing leadership in China?  My choice in this case
> would be to look for a way the topics of the song (which I'm suggesting as
> Cincinnati and, broadly, relationship problems) were related and the
> simplest and most immediate conclusion that popped to mind was that there
> was a causal relationship.  I don't expect Pete to ever confirm it
> (although of course it would be cool if he did).  It may even be that
> combining these two topics was subconscious on Pete's part (but I currently
> doubt it).  I guess the best way to put it is that my premises and
> reasoning led me to the surprising (to me) hypothesis that if Pete was
> referring to Cincinnati in Slit Skirts then, deliberately or not, he also
> wrote about the effect Cincinnati had on his personal relationships.
> Whether that hypothesis is true may be unprovable, and it might be proven
> false with argumentation, counter-hypotheses etc..
> 
> An additional point is that the man in the song has _changed_: "Once she
> woke with untamed lover's face between her legs/Now he's cooled and stifled
> and it's she who has to beg".  Why has he changed?  If you eliminate
> Cincinnati as the cause of that change you're left with a pretty big blank
> space as to what _did_ cause it. Did the lover just get older? But that by
> itself shouldn't necessarily cause  a waning of passion. Or are we left
> with an unknown cause -- the lover just changed "somehow"? Could be, but
> again I believe Pete is strong enough as an artist and songwriter not to
> set up this question without providing an answer.  In a way what I'm saying
> is that the better an artist you believe Pete is, the more you have to
> agree with my suggestions about "Slit Skirts".  BWAH HA HA HA HA HA
> HA...now THAT even _I_ don't buy.  But I do think that the more you
> recognize Pete's talent the more you would have to say that Slit Skirts is
> an integrated whole.  Then, whether it's about one or two or six subjects,
> and what those subject(s) are, is where the debate lies.
> 
> Aaa!  Aaa!  Ow!  I just found another one:
> 
> "Jeannie...wouldn't be seen dead in no slit skirt"
> 
> Ee-YIKES!  I don't even know what to think about that one yet but it looks
> pretty eerie, if I'm right about the C thing.
> 
> Alan
> 
> "When I'm on stage, it's not like bein' possessed...it's just...*I* *do*
> *my* *job*."                 - Pete Townshend
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:09:57 -0400
> From: Kenneth Hawkins <kenneth.hawkins@arch1.nara.gov>
> Subject: SlitSkirts and Art School
> 
> the digest that contained Alan's interpretation of Slitskirts was
> delayed to my mailbox but I'll add my affirmation that it seems
> very plausible.  Let's all try to keep it in mind and the next time
> there is a webchat or (hope against hope) one of us gets to meet
> any of the boys this summer, ask them/him if this song is about
> Cincinatti......
> 
> BTW what two members of the Who attended the same art
> school as Brian Eno?  how did the art school connection affect
> the Who, including but also beyond the obvious pop art
> manifestations of their clothes and logos?
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 09:34:20 -0600
> From: Jose Torres <TORRESJ@ny12533.gw125b.sullcrom.com>
> Subject: Re: Art School
> 
> Didn't John and Pete go to school together? I think that's how they met
> and started a band together. I think it was called the Detours but I maybe
> wrong................ In fact I'm probably wrong, but to me it sounds right.
> Someone please correct me...............
> 
> Jose Torres
> TORRESJ@ny12533.gw125b.sullcrom.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 97 13:43:00 EDT
> From: "Kipp, David G." <KIPPD@PCMAIL01.SYSTEMS.GEC.COM>
> Subject: RE: Alan's take on Slit Skirts
> 
> Alan,  I also agree with interpretation.  I think it's plausible.  Well
> Done!
> Dave Kipp
>  ----------
> From: owner-thewho
> To: The Who Mailing List
> Subject: Alan's take on Slit Skirts
> Date: Friday, July 11, 1997 5:37PM
> 
> Alan, Alan, Alan!!!
> 
> Pretty damn good old man!  I won't reqoute the post but your connection
> between Slit Skirts and Cinncinnati is pretty remarkable.  I truly see th=
> e
> points you made and it's going to make me take out my vinyl and listen to=
> 
> it about 4 million times to reinterpret my view on the song.
> 
> KUDOS
> 
> Kathleen (still enlightened at my age) Pasquale
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 13:12:34 -0700
> From: geris@elk-grove.k12.il.us (Geri Sorrentino)
> Subject: Set list for upcoming tour
> 
> Wondering. . . is the upcoming tour (Chicago on the 20th, etc. )
> Quadrophenia again? We saw Quad in the Fall and had heard that this was a
> Hits tour, but have since heard on WXRT (radio chicago) that it's Quad
> again. Can anyone clarify?
> Thanks!
> 
> ******************************************************************************
> Geri Sorrentino
> Technology Resource Teacher
> C.C.S.D. #59
> 2123 S. Arlington Heights Rd.
> Arlington Hts., IL  60005
> *Two Heads are Better than One Monitor*
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 15:41:45 -0400
> From: "KATHLEEN L. PASQUALE" <KLPasquale@compuserve.com>
> Subject: Re: Art School
> 
> From:   Jose Torres, INTERNET:TORRESJ@ny12533.gw125b.sullcrom.com
> 
> >Didn't John and Pete go to school together? I think that's how they met
> >and started a band together. I think it was called the Detours but I may=
> be
> >wrong................ In fact I'm probably wrong, but to me it sounds ri=
> ght.
> >Someone please correct me...............
> 
> YOU ARE CORRECT JOHN & PETE DID MET IN SCHOOL AND WERE IN THE
> DETOURS TOGETHER BUT THEY DIDN'T START THE BAND. ROGER & DOUGIE =
> 
> SANDOM (SORRY ABOUT SPELLING I DON'T HAVE MY BOOKS OUT) WERE =
> 
> LOOKING FOR A BASSIST SO JOHN JOINED FIRST THEN JOHN BROUGHT
> PETE IN WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A RHYTHM MAN.
> 
> I DON'T UNDERSTAND BRIAN ENO'S REFERENCE TO THE ART SCHOOL THING
> BECAUSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE ONLY PETE WENT TO ART SCHOOL.  JOHN WORKED
> FOR THE UK'S EQUIVELANT OF THE US-IRS, ROGER WAS A SHEET METAL
> WORKER AND KEITH DID EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN.
> 
> MAYBE JOHN WENT TO SCHOOL PART-TIME WHILE WORKING. I'M NOT SURE
> I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP BUT I HOPE THIS INFO HELPS YOUR =
> 
> QUESTIONS.
> 
> KATHLEEN =
> 
> TORRESJ@ny12533.gw125b.sullcrom.com
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:07:21 -0400 (EDT)
> From: IIIllIIlll@aol.com
> Subject: townshend and art school--
> 
> i'm not sure what other Who member attended art school besides Townshend--but
> the influence this education had on Pete was Tremendous . . . a major
> difference separating Townshend from his contemporaries was the fact that he
> took his Music VERY seriously . . . there had to be some integrity behind it;
> the sole purpose here was NOT the money-making factor.  also, in addition to
> his songwriting developing a noticeable lean towards the avant-garde, the
> more Personal side of Pete's art school experience stirred within him his
> obsession with adolescence (particularly adolescent frustration)--which
> manifested itself in a large number (understatement!) of his songs . . .
> 
> raine
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 16:29:43 -0400
> From: "Mark R. Leaman" <mleaman@sccoast.net>
> Subject: Tap into The Who
> 
> > No,it's a fact, Phil. But did you know Spinal Tap was not a real band?
> 
> Ah, but they WERE a real band. The members wrote and performed their own
> material. They even played live at the Freddie Mercury tribute concert.
> They were real, but they weren't "real good"...or so bad they were
> good...
> Were they created just for the movie? Yeah. We're they England's loudest
> band? No. That was certainly a "tip o' the hat" to The Who...and there
> were others, like in the song Rock And Roll Creation (which included a
> WGFA-type synth piece and Townshend-like concept). But I'd say they
> leaned heavier on Zep (their manager, the guitar solo segment, etc.) and
> Status Quo.
> A great movie, reunion TV special, Simpsons appearance, and two great
> CDs. Long live Tap..."and so say all of us."
> 
> - --
> 
>             Cheers                ML
> 
>  "It's more than a looking back...it's a bringing up to date.
>   Quadrophenia is about where we're all at today...maybe you too,
>   I don't know..."
>             Pete Townshend
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 17:02:54 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jennifer Lee Davies <jen@nt.net>
> Subject: missed it - please fill me in
> 
>         Either I missed it or I'm being ignored, so someone please fill me
> in: has FD been recalled yet?
>         Thanks!
> 
> JenniferD
> My Guitar         __  _____             http://www.nt.net/~jen/
> \---\____________/   -     \            15 days to the Who in Toronto!
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> /---/            \__ - ____/                            -Big Sugar
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 1997 19:27:13 -0400
> From: briancady@juno.com (Brian S Cady)
> Subject: Re: Art School
> 
> >YOU ARE CORRECT JOHN & PETE DID MET IN SCHOOL AND WERE IN THE
> >DETOURS TOGETHER BUT THEY DIDN'T START THE BAND. ROGER & DOUGIE =
> >
> >SANDOM (SORRY ABOUT SPELLING I DON'T HAVE MY BOOKS OUT) WERE =
> >
> >LOOKING FOR A BASSIST SO JOHN JOINED FIRST THEN JOHN BROUGHT
> >PETE IN WHEN THEY WERE LOOKING FOR A RHYTHM MAN.
> >
> >I DON'T UNDERSTAND BRIAN ENO'S REFERENCE TO THE ART SCHOOL THING
> >BECAUSE TO MY KNOWLEDGE ONLY PETE WENT TO ART SCHOOL.  JOHN WORKED
> >FOR THE UK'S EQUIVELANT OF THE US-IRS, ROGER WAS A SHEET METAL
> >WORKER AND KEITH DID EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN.
> >
> >MAYBE JOHN WENT TO SCHOOL PART-TIME WHILE WORKING. I'M NOT SURE
> >I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK IT UP BUT I HOPE THIS INFO HELPS YOUR =
> >
> >QUESTIONS.
> >
> >KATHLEEN =
> 
> Good job, Kathleen (if a little loud).  You are correct.  Only Pete went
> to art school.  Pete, John and Roger all went to Acton County Grammar but
> Roger didn't get together with Pete and John until after he (Roger) had
> been expelled.  John went to work in the revenue office after he
> graduated.
> 
> Keith, BTW, went to Alperton Secondary School, then dropped out to work
> odd jobs.
> 
>                         -Brian in Atlanta
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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