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- Subject: Re: The Who Mailing List Digest V4 #99
- From: Mike Gebhard <MVGebhard@netheaven.com>
- Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 18:58:31 -0400
The Who Mailing List Digest wrote:
>
> The Who Mailing List Digest
> Thursday, April 24 1997Volume 04 : Number 099
>
> In this issue:
>
> Re: What?!?
> About this f...ing debate!
> Re: Pete Lust
> Re: Pete Lust
> RE: zep vs. the who
> Re: zep vs. the who
> tour list
> Re: Pete Lust
> Who/Zep/& Cameron Crowe
> where are you?
> Who vs Zep - old and useless argument
> Sorry & more
> Tommy Live and Studio
> Concerts in Paris - Exchanging tickets
> Re: Tommy Live and Studio
> Horse's Neck
> Re: Tommy Live and Studio
> Re: Sorry & more
> Re: Townshend solo concert
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:04:43 -0400 (EDT)
> From: JimboWHO@aol.com
> Subject: Re: What?!?
>
> JD RE:
>
> << Sorry, folks, even though
> "Goin Mobile" was a part of the "Lifehouse" song cycle (which although it
> never came to fruition produced the quintessential Pete compositions "Baba
> O'Riley", "The Song Is Over", "Pure and Easy", etc. etc.), it is a nothing
> song. It was a fun little song, which i guess is all it needs to be, but it
> doesn't compare to "Cache Cache" in terms of songwriting. >>
>
> This is incredible. When a song like "Cache Cache" becomes revered and held
> up a sample of brilliant songwriting I just scratch my head. Funny, I always
> thought the worst songs on WN were better than the best songs on FD.
>
> JJM
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:26:23 +0300
> From: acc1@impsat1.com.ar (A.C.C.)
> Subject: About this f...ing debate!
>
> Sorry about that subject, but you people got on my nervs! As I've already
> said, PLEASE do not compare bands. That's simply disgusting! I'm tired on
> read about comparisons between The Who and Led Zeppelin. The were (are) two
> excellent bands. How are you to judge them? How are you to judge music? You
> just can't. Music was created not to be discussed; it was created to be
> FELT. So, those who like the Who, FEEL The Who; and those who like Led
> Zeppelin, FEEL Led Zeppelin. And if you like both, FEEL both... don't
> COMPARE them! Remember the song is named "See me/FEEL me" and not "See
> me/COMPARE me".
> "How Many More Times" have I to say this? This debate is getting into "The
> Battle of Evermore" (such as the Pete's one). We're walking in "Circles" and
> it could get "Dangerous". "I've Had Enough" of this already. So, "Please,
> Please, Please" "Get Out And Stay Out" of this debate .
> "Had Enough" or "You" want some more?
> Don't worry, this is "The Last Time" I do it. I'm "Leaving Here"
> Well "Friends", I'm gonna "Ramble On" now... Bye!
> and... "Thank You"!
>
> A.C.C.
> acc1@impsat1.com.ar
> male-19-Argentina-Bs.As.-Psychology Student
> Don't Let Anarchy Be An Utopia
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 1997 23:18:53 -0500
> From: amck@eden.com (Alan McKendree)
> Subject: Re: Pete Lust
>
> At 19:53 4/23/97, KLPasquale@compuserve.com wrote:
> >
> >I want a man that has an
> >intellect that I can verbally spare with
> ^^^^^
> "Spar"
>
> :-),
>
> Alan
>
> "When I'm on stage, it's not like bein' possessed...it's just...*I* *do*
> *my* *job*." - Pete Townshend
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 00:32:35 -0400 (EDT)
> From: KHanc1965@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Pete Lust
>
> The depth and honesty of Pete's emotional and spiritual expression in his
> music is probably what attracts most women. Most women are in seek of the
> elusive emotional/spiritual connection with a man, not a superficial, sexual
> attraction to physical appearance as most men seem to be. The beauty that
> Pete creates with his music is far superior to any physical manifestation of
> beauty.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 02:31:10 +0300
> From: acc1@impsat1.com.ar (A.C.C.)
> Subject: RE: zep vs. the who
>
> I agree entirely
>
> > David Aron Reaboi wrote:
> >
> >>it IS true that early zep gigs featured who covers.
> >
> >
> > Led Zeppelin never performed a Who cover on stage in their ENTIRE
> > 11 year existence.
> >
> > Not ONCE. Not even a Riff,or quote.
> >
> >> zep was nothing but hardcore blues (he hated the yardbirds' psychedellia >in
> >'little games').
> >
> > If the "he" you're referring to is Jimmy Page,you have no idea
> >what you're talking about.
> >
> >> live, the who
> >>compromised no quality for improv, which zep did (post-73).
> >
> > Zeppelin "improvised" on stage FAR more BEFORE '73 than after.
>
>
> A.C.C.
> acc1@impsat1.com.ar
> male-19-Argentina-Bs.As.-Psychology Student
> Don't Let Anarchy Be An Utopia
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:17:21 PST
> From: briancady@juno.com (Brian S Cady)
> Subject: Re: zep vs. the who
>
> >i simply do not think i'll be listening to zep either when i'm past
> >25.
> >(i'm 20 now.) imagine a 50 year old banging his head up and down!
> >don't
> >you outgrow that stuff? now the who is a little different story.
> >they're
> >also a young-man's rock band (sorry ladies, i've always seen them as a
> >very masculine band). i know also that pete would rather kill himself
> >than
> >make music like WGFA anymore. it's great, but you mature, right?
> >that's
> >why the who will have that edge over zep for me; i love zep, but i
> >LISTEN
> >to the who. i think i'm just to old for it. (not to offend any
> >50-yr-old
> >headbangers, though.)
>
> I'm 40, not 50, and the biggest surprise to me is that I didn't outgrow
> The Who. There is a richness of meaning and passion there that sticks with you at any age (or sex or race). Led Zep I privately enjoy although,
> since they're on the radio every four seconds, I never feel the need to
> listen to them at home. But unless you're a guitarist, why indeed would
> you ever listen to Zep with the intensity you would listen to The Who?
> They're for fun; The Who are both fun and serious.
> -Brian in Atlanta
>
> P.S. For Sinatra, I've always perferred "in the wee small hours."
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 07:19:33 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jennifer Lee Davies <jen@nt.net>
> Subject: tour list
>
> Would someone please send to Cobers <cobers@infocad.com.br> the list
> of tour dates/places? Thanx!
>
> JenniferD
> My Guitar __ ____
> \---\____________/ - \ http://www.nt.net/~jen/homepage.htm
> :::=====================I |
> /---/ \__ - ____/ "I'm your fairy manager - you shall play
> at Carnegie Hall" -'Success Story', the Who
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 09:53:14 -0500 (EST)
> From: Caile Kane <gielcl85@snydelab.delhi.edu>
> Subject: Re: Pete Lust
>
> On Thu, 24 Apr 1997 KHanc1965@aol.com wrote:
>
> > The depth and honesty of Pete's emotional and spiritual expression in his
> > music is probably what attracts most women. Most women are in seek of the
> > elusive emotional/spiritual connection with a man, not a superficial, sexual
> > attraction to physical appearance as most men seem to be. The beauty that
> > Pete creates with his music is far superior to any physical manifestation of
> > beauty.
> >
> Wait, what??
>
> I just got out of the hospital, so this may be the cyclobenzaprine
> talking, but for cryin' out loud! If someone asks me why, why do have a
> thing for this Townshend character? I tell them three things: 1) he'd be
> interesting to talk to, 2) he's a genius 3) I want to lick his nose.
> No further pontification required.
>
> Blessings,
> Colleen
> Caile Donachaidh Kane
> gielcl85@snydelab.delhi.edu
> Proud PWFC
> Silver Thread Productions
> "I don't know where I'm going, I don't know what
> I need, but I'll get to where I'm gonna end up,
> and that's all right by me..." - Pete Townshend
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:59:34 -0500
> From: "Leo O'Sullivan" <Leo.O'Sullivan@globalone.net>
> Subject: Who/Zep/& Cameron Crowe
>
> Good lord, it's great to blab about the Who every day with people who
> love them as much as I do. I've only been on this list for about a week
> so forgive me if I'm still hyperventilating with Who mania! As I'm sure
> most of you know, it's a cold world for the Who outside this mailing
> list (and other Who sites). I still can't watch a Tarantino film, or
> listen to a Steve Miller tune without getting angry and turning it off
> (both "artists" took great pains to smear the Who in different articles;
> Tarantino in Playboy, Steve Miller in, if I remember right, Rolling
> Stone Mag's twenty year tribute to Monterey Pop). So I consider this
> list a welcome shelter from the Who bashing storm I usually deal with.
> That said, I'm also throwing my two cents in to a couple of messages I
> just read on here.
> To George Beck and Dave Reaboi regarding Who - Zep head to head
> comparisons. I agree and disagree with various points you make (yep-
> Jimmy is technically a better guitarist and was more innovative on six
> string, although Pete plays rhythm better than anyone; I probably give
> Plant the vote for best voice, but no one sang with the therapeutic
> ferociousness of Mr. Daltrey, the angriest howl in Rock). One other
> thing about Moonie vs Bonzo. I agree, the biggest difference between
> the two band styles comes in the drumming, but I think this was as much
> due to the producing as it was to the drummers. Keith's sharp, crisp
> drum sound was consistent throughout the Sixties recordings despite the
> revolving door of engineers and producers involved (talented and
> talentless alike). Bonzo on the other hand had a sound that was
> virtually invented by Page, an engineering genius. The fat full sound
> of Bonzo's kit was brilliantly conceived, miked and mixed by Jimmy.
> Bonzo is no doubt the hardest hitter and one of the best drummers in
> Rock, but the legendary Thunder Booms of songs like "When The Levee
> Breaks" are to a great extent Page's engineering. There's a story in
> the "Full Moon" book where Moonie gets on stage with Zep and he and
> Bonzo both bash away at Bonzo's kit as it rises above the stage. What I
> would have sold to see that!!
> Dave, I also disagree with your comment, "both pete and jimmy got into
> heavy drugs in the early 80s, after both looked-down on clapton for
> letting heroin mess him up". I can't speak for Page, but Pete Townshend
> masterminded Clapton's Rainbow show comeback in the early Seventies; the
> event which gave Clapton back to us and got him off smack for life.
> Clapton has thanked Pete endlessly in print for basically saving his
> life and career. What Pete did to himself is another story of course,
> but he never looked down on Clapton for his addiction. He just helped
> pick him up out of it. Also on "Pete would rather kill himself than
> make music like WGFA anymore. it's great, but you mature, right?". Pete
> would be lucky if he could EVER write a song like WGFA again and he
> knows it. You never "mature" above that song, some just get too old and
> senile to appreciate it anymore. Hope I die before I get THAT old.
> (PS:Yessirree! Gabriel Genesis definitely beats Collins Genesis cold).
> Brian in Atlanta. Yes!! Cameron Crowe and Marty Scorsese!! Monster Who
> fans. Scorsese has the best soundtracks in cinema. Cameron Crowe
> constantly thumps the Who drum in his movies. As far back as Fast Times
> At Ridgemont High (he wrote) we've got that cool Poster of Pete with his
> bleeding hand staring into the camera. Later in Crowe's film, Singles,
> we've got grunge rocker Matt Dillon bemoaning the fact that no one makes
> songs like the Who anymore. God Bless You Cameron!
> Shutting up now.
> - -Leo
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 11:16:27 PDT
> From: "Fiona P" <fionapp@hotmail.com>
> Subject: where are you?
>
> Hello
>
> I don't seem to be getting all the messages I used to - I'm only getting the
> digest and I don't think - unless I did it by mistake - that I asked for the
> service to be changed.
>
> Have I done something wrong?
>
> Fi
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:10:46 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Jennifer Lee Davies <jen@nt.net>
> Subject: Who vs Zep - old and useless argument
>
> This argument is as old as the hills.
> It can't be decided. It's like saying that daisies are better than
> nail polish - they aren't comparable! You can't do it!
> I happen to like both bands, and each for very different reasons.
> I'm entitled to like them both, too! But one can't compare them without
> writing a 6 volume monster of a book, which none of us, I believe, is ready
> to write.
> For some reason I'm singing "My dog's better than yourrr dog...."
>
> JenniferD
> My Guitar __ ____
> \---\____________/ - \ http://www.nt.net/~jen/homepage.htm
> :::=====================I |
> /---/ \__ - ____/ "I'm your fairy manager - you shall play
> at Carnegie Hall" -'Success Story', the Who
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 15:59:02 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Linda Thompson <lthompsn@sound.net>
> Subject: Sorry & more
>
> Sorry to EOL-
> I am rather toughy about the Who and other bands. I think it's just
> that I am sick and tired of all the people who recognize the Stones, the
> Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, and Led Zep, but say,"Who?" whenever I say,"THE WHO".
> I just get tired of the whole Beatles-thing. Ya'know? All that stuff about
> the Beatles Anthology. Woop-de-do-da-day. Also, I might be the only person
> to notice this, has anybody else noticed the coverage that Hendrix and the
> Stones get on music channel's on T.V. I remember a few months ago VH1 showed
> a 2+ hour documentary on Hendrix three times, THREE times in one week! And
> they show Rolling Stones videos alot! On Big 80's they always show "Start Me
> Up"(Does Kieth Richards do ANYTHING in that song?) And they used to show
> that crappy "Love is Strong" video when it came out. Uuuuuuugggggghhhhh. . .
> . . .I'm sorry, it's just that, in my environment (school, and friends) the
> Who are nonexistant, except for me! I'm not that concerned with the persons
> on this list that are my age or not. I'm concerned with my peers HERE in
> Kansas City. I'm ALONE, and It SUCKS! The ONLY person that I know here that
> has heard the WHO, and has respect for them, is a Ramones worshipper. He
> probably only really likes them because Joey Ramone is a big Who fan.(If you
> compare My Generation and A Quick One with the Ramones, you can see a
> similarity.) Ok. I'm done bitching. Sorry
>
> Andrew Thompson
>
> P.S.It's true though, Page and Hendrix are better lead guitarists,but Pete's the
> LOUDEST!!!!!!
> P.P.S. I am ANDREW THOMPSON, Linda is my mother(This is her E-mail)
> P.P.P.S.Long Live ROCK!
> P.P.P.P.S.Long Live GOOD Rock!
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 16:06:09 +0000
> From: asteinke@mail.discover-net.net
> Subject: Tommy Live and Studio
>
> Someone commented that Tommy seemed to sound better live than in the
> studio.
>
> That person has discovered the entire essence of The Who.
>
> Not to cut down The Who's studio tracks, but I have yet to find one
> that I like better than any live version of it I have heard. And not
> to get into the Zeppelin/Who debates, but I own a few Zeppelin live
> albums, and those songs just don't hold the appel that The Who's live
> songs do. The Who were unique, in that the performance was
> everything, and they gave it everything, and hopefully still will. I
> haven't broadened my mind a lot out to the post-Keith era, other than
> a respect for what Pete has been doing, and an ignorance of what
> everyone else has been doing. If anyone could give some sort of
> timeline, it would be appreciated.
>
> "It's the singer, not the Song"
>
> Andy Steinke
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Fri, 25 Apr 1997 00:20:52 +0200
> From: Philippe Berger <keith001@club-internet.fr>
> Subject: Concerts in Paris - Exchanging tickets
>
> Hi Who people.
>
> I was so happy and impatient to be able to enjoy my first ever Who live show
> (I guess all of you can remember how was your first time too) on May 15 -
> listening to them all day long, watching them on the Rock'n'Roll Circus video...
>
> But this won't be my time: my boss just told me I won't be in Paris that day.
>
> My only hope apart from bootlegs and comments of the concert in the press &
> on the list:
> to find someone with tickets for May 14 and accepting to trade.
>
> Just recall how it would have been for you if your car had broke down and
> you missed your first Who concert! Sure you'll understand how I feel...
>
> So if you have tickets for May 14 and agree to exchange with my 15 May
> ticket, just let me know ( keith001@club-internet.fr ).
>
> And anyway, good concert to all French fans !
>
> Keith.
> (on the Net, not the Moon)
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:50:02 +0000
> From: "Blair M. Cummings" <blair@infi.net>
> Subject: Re: Tommy Live and Studio
>
> > Not to cut down The Who's studio tracks, but I have yet to find one
> > that I like better than any live version
>
> I would have to agree with you!
> You also mentioned that most bands (this is NOT a quote ) are not as
> good live as The WHO. I too would agree, Except for Carlos Santana!!
> I see him in kinda the same light as The WHO. Getting nothing but
> better as time goes on!
>
> Blair Cummings
>
> "I got my WHO tickets, How about you?"
> Me
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:40:59 -0500 (CDT)
> From: ebrister@sarc.msstate.edu (Liz Brister)
> Subject: Horse's Neck
>
> I had a collection of short stories by Pete when I was in college. I think
> it was called Horse's Neck. Anyway, it was stolen out of my apartment way
> back then and I have never seen a copy since. Anybody know where I can get
> one? Has Pete published any other fiction works recently (in a book)?
>
> You will have to excuse me for being so out of it. I love the Who dearly,
> but I am living in Mississippi where you can count The Who fans on one
> hand, and I have many other distractions such as job, family, the works. I
> love reading the messages from all of you who follow "my band" as closely
> as I used to.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:45:03 -0500 (CDT)
> From: ebrister@sarc.msstate.edu (Liz Brister)
> Subject: Re: Tommy Live and Studio
>
> >You also mentioned that most bands (this is NOT a quote ) are not as
> >good live as The WHO. I too would agree, Except for Carlos Santana!!
> >I see him in kinda the same light as The WHO. Getting nothing but
> >better as time goes on!
> >
> I would have to agree about Carlos. Next to WHO live performances, Santana
> ranks second for me.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:58:30 -0500 (CDT)
> From: ebrister@sarc.msstate.edu (Liz Brister)
> Subject: Re: Sorry & more
>
> I'm ALONE, and It SUCKS!
>
> Dear Andrew,
>
> Perhaps this is the very essence of a Who fan... perhaps this is why we are
> unique. Not members of a generally large population that think the work is
> cool, good, respectable....whatever (Beatles, Zepp, etc.), but a small
> group of enlightened individuals with deep passion and dedication for their
> music. I, too, live in a city where numbers of fans are nonexistent. I
> don't have to share my love of the Who with others.... It is between me and
> Pete (and R,K,J).
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 1997 21:11:26 -0700
> From: Dan Scurio <dscurio@sprintmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Townshend solo concert
>
> PRINCE STEVEN M wrote:
> >
> > Someone posted the other day about Pete doing a solo show at the House
> > of Blues in Chicago on June 14. I believe tickets are $95 and are only on
> > sale at the box office.
> > Also, if anyone cares, Daltry is going to be on Highlander this
> > week. It's a new episode so check it out.
>
> It was I. The show is sold out. 1800 tickets were sold. General
> Admission. Finally, I get to worship my idol at his feet. WOO HOO!
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Age? Yer only as old as you want to be! "we'll be rockin' in our wheelchairs" -
Daltry, "The Who, In Their Own Words". I am 35 and I jam to Zep and The WHo and many
others! Yes...I can see myself at 50 playing The Who, jumping around - "bowling"! One
never outgrows rock music! Yah!