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RE: The Who Digest Vol 3 Num 134
I must ask anyone who knows about the june 29 concert in Hyde Park to please
e-mail me at Oddsodd@msn.com to let me know what you know. To date I know its
a go and the latest is that Jimmie Page is going to perform as well. I need
to know if anyone knows how to get tickets. Thank you.
- Odd
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Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 1996 5:45 AM
To: thewho-digest@gateway.mpath.com
Subject: The Who Digest Vol 3 Num 134
TheWho Digest
Volume 3, Issue 134
Today's topics:
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 06:46:28 -0400
Subject: Forget Roger Daltrey for a moment, but...
didn't Justine Bateman look really bad???
-wf
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:37:42 +0200 (MET DST)
From: Johannes Pohl-Grund <hannes@MI.Uni-Koeln.DE>
Subject: Re: Achtung! Listers from Germany...
Hi all!
I ordered "Antology" on Friday and hopefully will get it this week...
Last week I received my "The Rock"-CDs from Bista and i wonder what
everybody thinks... I was kind of disappointed by the "mainstreamish"
sound but with the 10th time listening to the CD i detect real jewels in
it. Any comments on "The Rock"?
Greeting,
Hannes
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From: Brian.Cady@turner.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:25:21 -0400
Subject: All the news from Pete
I don't know whether you've heard this because I haven't received
any of my mail since Friday evening, but this Pete article from Virety
should answer a lot of questions. However, what is he doing in
Detroit?
FEATURE: Townshend Becomes Creative Wizard
By Gary Graff
DETROIT (Reuters) - In Pete Townshend's life these days,
just one thing is certain.
"What I'm not gonna do is tour with The Who," says the
guitarist-singer-composer-rock icon, referring to the band he
formed in 1964 in London and broke up in 1982. "That leaves me
with a bunch of other options I can get involved in."
And Townshend's is a formidable bunch of musical, theatrical
and cinematic projects that are in various phases of fruition.
He just finished a series of solo concerts to promote a new
best-of album,
"Coolwalkingsmoothtalkingstraightsmokingfirestoking" -- titled
from a lyric in his song "Misunderstood."
He moves from that into a presentation of The Who's 1973
rock opera "Quadrophenia," which will be staged June 29 in
London's Hyde Park. It's not quite a Who reunion, Townshend
cautions; the band's Roger Daltrey and John Entwistle will also
be involved, but they'll be joined by a group of guests who
Townshend is keeping secret for now.
Meanwhile, Townshend says he may not even play guitar during
the show, though he does expect to sing a couple of songs. And
he dangles the possibility of also staging "Quadrophenia" in
the United States this year. After that, he seems to have a full
plate of ideas in development, including:
-- A full-blown theatrical production of "Quadrophenia,"
which is in its fourth re-write;
-- A film version of his 1989 adaptation of Ted Hughes'
fable "The Iron Man," which he's working on with Warner Bros.;
-- A fleshed-out treatment of "Psychoderelict," his 1993
album about an aging rock star, which may be staged at Britain's
Edinburgh festival during the summer;
-- An autobiography that links his life with his father's,
who played in jazz and big bands in England;
-- And a resurrection of "Lifehouse," a "millennium,
apocalyptic, virtual reality story" that The Who was working on
after "Tommy." Some of the songs turned up on the classic
album "Who's Next."
Townshend says the New York City Opera has expressed
interest in helping him develop that project.
"Lately, most things I'm doing seem rooted in the past,"
Townshend, 51, says. "Even things that still feel new to me,
like 'Psychoderelict'... This is something that's three years
old."
There's a higher purpose to this spate of activity, however.
In 1965, Townshend hung himself with the lyrical albatross of
"Hope I die before I get old" from The Who's hit "My
Generation." Now he's earnestly investigating a way to craft
credible, rock-oriented projects after he's, well, gotten old --
at least by rock 'n' roll standards.
"I just think it's because rock 'n' roll is, for me, an
artistic process, though it's not seen to be that way by
everybody who works in it or by part of he media that surrounds
it," explains Townshend, who lives in London with his wife,
Karen.
"I think an artist has to constantly re-evaluate and
redefine, not himself, but what is his commission. I want to
know what my commission is. "I don't want to be part of this
boomer thing ... the idea that I can't miss just because I'm
surrounded by so many old (people) like me who are going to go
out and buy whatever I put out.
I'm looking for what happens next in the same creative
continuum, rather than this theory of what happens when you grow
out of listening to your favorite college band...
"I feel a kind of duty to be able to accept that I am in an
extraordinary place at the moment, and I have to respond to that
-- not just what the business around me offers but also to find
out whether or not the people I write for, the people we're
trying to entertain, what they feel and how important it is for
them to feel they can go to see a play or hear a bunch of songs
or see a movie which has themes that relate deeply to their own
experience and are not just about universal issues."
This is something Townshend began pursuing when he started
writing songs for The Who. There's a reason why Pearl Jam's
Eddie Vedder was hanging around Townshend's recent appearances;
The Who's songs were rock's original teen angst -- reflections
of confusion, alienation, frustration and just plain awkwardness
-- that indelibly touched everything that's known as modern rock
today. The themes may be broad, but Townshend says they were
designed to touch listeners in a very specific way.
"In rock 'n' roll, you rely on people to put themselves in
the picture," he says. "You have to put yourself on the stage,
throw yourself into it. Then it works -- brilliantly. The
ability of rock to be particular is so extraordinary and makes
it so difficult to make it happen in other mediums...that rely
on characters and stories. Occasionally it happens; I suppose
I'm out there to see what happens when I do whatever it is that
I do."
Townshend has already done that successfully. In 1992, he
and director Des McAnuff adapted "Tommy" into a Tony
Award-winning play that's wowed audiences all over the world
with its combination of Broadway and rock sensibilities.
Townshend says he learned quite a bit from that endeavor -- and
not just on the creative end.
"I can get anything I want done if I go straight to the
source," he says. "We're getting 'Quadrophenia' done because
we went straight to Mastercard -- cut out all the people
in-between -- got $400,000 and put the thing up.
"It's a strange place to be to realize that...all I have to
do is stroll into a room with a few old guys and say 'I fancy
doing 'Quadrophenia' as a dramatic work' and they say 'Hey,
we'll give you money.' That may sound cynical, but the fact is I
can do it, and I trust myself to do it well."
Reuters/Variety
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:37:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: John Brawley <brawley@cbl.cees.edu>
Subject: Simon
(one day late...)
Just returned to Boston from NY/CT. Went to see Simon and son, Ben,
perform for a very intimate group at Sin-e'. First of all, Sin-e' is a
very small coffee house. Perhaps seating for 25 folks (?). No stage,
just a floor space with a couple of bar stools set up. I had been hanging
around Sin-e' for a while and finally sat myself down at a small group of
tables. ~WF and his wife came in simultaneaously with Simon's manager and
Ben Townshend and we all got a chance to chat for a while about various
Townshend/Who plans, ideas, etc. Simon eventually showed and after a few
"hello's" he got started on his guitar.
He played a few songs from his upcoming release first, then he asked his
son Ben to join him with various hand percussion and backing vocals.
There were a few tech. problems..."No, no, it's not the mic, it's the
lead! It's the lead!....test...test". This just added to the intimacy of
the gig. It was really like being in a friends living room. His guitar
playing was excellent and his delivery was often intense. Ben seemed a
bit nervous at times but added a very Townshendesque touch to the vocals.
They'll be at Hollies, in Westport, CT this Friday night (9:00). This is
my hometown so if anyone needs directions just e-mail me privately.
Hollies used to be a Chinese Restaurant...not a big place, so expect the
same kind of "small" show there. Although, I doubt you would ever be in a
smaller venue than Sin-e'.
OK, my mind is still a bit blury this morning...hope I made some sense.
John Brawley
(brawley@cbl.cees.edu)
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 08:10:44 -0400
Subject: WHO sounds good...
Per Gary's request, here's kind of a "sound quality" recommended discography
for the various Who albums and CDs...
Best picks: (pre-remix/remaster)
The Who
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My Generation
Original Brunswick UK or
Virgin reissue vinyl
The MCA CD never picked up on the full sound even AFTER it was "fixed" and
doesn't have the full-length "The Kids Are Alright"... Forget about the
original USA Decca vinyl. The "stereo" and "mono" pressings were actually the
same (no true stereo at all) and didn't sound "clear"...
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A Quick One (aka "Happy Jack")
Polydor Germany vinyl. Most of the tracks are in excellent true stereo,
except for "So Sad About Us" (stereo version can be found on French "Best Of
The Who Vol 2" or USA "Happy Jack" --original pressings have very good sound)
and "See My Way" (not available in stereo anywhere). For those of you who may
own it, but don't know it... This version came in the "Phases" box set... The
original USA Decca was a hodge-podge of true stereo, simulated stereo and
mono. Nothing to brag about, except for the "Happy Jack" and "So Sad About
Us" tracks...
For CD, forgetting about the MCA piece of <Picard>, the German Polydor is
pure mono and sounds the best as such. Although I maintain the mono mix of
this album is depressing to listen to...
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The Who Sell Out
I always liked the Japanese vinyl one. However, the German one and UK one are
almost up there, perhaps not quite as "quiet"...
For CD, (this will cause debate), but after much ado, I think the German
Polydor & USA MCA sound about the same. The Polydor is banded (where the
tracks change with your CD "clicker") much better, and the MCA's banding is
bad, but if you listen to the damn thing straight through, it doesn't matter.
AND the MCA has the "track records" run off, the Polydor doesn't...
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Magic Bus
I'll only say this about that... The ORIGINAL Decca version has the BEST
studio version/mix of the title track (true stereo). The MCA CD is worthless,
unless you have to have the 2nd version of "Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde" on CD...
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Tommy
On vinyl, the best of them is the original USA Decca, but try to find a copy
that isn't worn... I'm not crazy about ANY of the reissues as they range from
"bad to worse" (the Japanese Polydor sounds VERY flat...) However, UK copies
'73 to about '87 contain the alternate vocal version of "Eyesight To The
Blind".
In CD form, the ONLY one to even consider is the 1996 reissue...
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Leeds
hMMM... German vinyl and German CD all the way. Compare these to the tinny
MCA for a real laugh... I have a sealed original Decca copy that I obviously
never played, so in all fairness, it may be OK. However, hard to imagine
anything sounding better than these...
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Who's Next
I think I like the UK vinyl version for this one...
I'll also go as far as saying the pre-gold version, MCA CD sounds pretty
good, too. Polydor never corrected their WN CDs between the time of original
release and reissue/remaster...
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Quadrophenia
Japanese (CBS/Sony Label) vinyl is phenomenal. After that, the German CD. I
don't think the MCA sounds too bad at all and was surprised it was as good!
However the MFSL version sounds like <Picard> to me...
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Odds & Sods
As above, Japanese (CBS/Sony) vinyl sounds the best. The German Polydor CD
sounds great too. However, forget the MCA---pure <Picard>...
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Who By Numbers
Again, Japanese (CBS/Sony--no I don't own stock) vinyl sounds the best with
the German Polydor CD sounding very good. I only have the 1st pressing MCA CD
(to compare CDs) and it sounded to tinny for my ears...
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Who Are You
Japanese (CBS/Sony) vinyl, with the German CD following behind it. The
original MCA CD sounded horrible (all bass, no treble) and the MFSL, while
certainly "acceptable", nowhere as good as the German CD...
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The Kids Are Alright
In all fairness, I haven't played my Japanese vinyl version, that I only got
last year. However, if it's like the other CBS/Sony versions, I'm sure it
sounds great.... I am very happy with the sound on the German Polydor CD, but
unfortunately, for the purists, like the worse sounding MCA version of the
same, it also has the same "Roadrunner" medley edited out so it fit on one
CD... The UK and German vinyl versions sound better than the MCA vinyl & CD
as well...
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Face Dances
MFSL vinyl or Warner Brothers CD probably sound equally as good. I didn't buy
the MCA CD since I thought I've given them ENOUGH money...
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It's Hard
Here's one for yah... the 3rd generation Warner Brothers CD (the most silver
on the face of the CD--made in the USA). The first Polydor CD was pretty
muddy and although I have a recent pressing of the same, I never properly
a/b'd them. I don't have a clue on the MCA reissue. On vinyl, the USA Warner
promo on Quiex II sounds the best...
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Who's Last (aka "The Who Live" in Germany & France) (yeah, "pooey" is right!)
For some reason, the German, UK and Japanese CD pressings all sound (I think
the mix is actually a bit better) better than the USA (ALL on the MCA label).
The USA versions have very ugly cover (yes, that's what it's down too) and
the UK and other European versions are on ONE CD. However, the UK and
Japanese (2 CDs) has the "Burning flag" cover, the German has a picture of
Roger's head (circa '75) and the French version has a band shot (circa '75).
Confusing, isn't it?
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Join Together
I'll just say that I like the UK Virgin CDs better than the MCA if for no
other reason I like the label better...
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Who's Better Who's Best
I'll give the MCA the "edge" for the nicer cover, but don't judge the "book"
by it's cover. The Polydor CD sounds much better... Either way it's a reissue
"best of", but since there was 2 CDs with the same title, it was worth
noting. BTW, for you collectors, the FRENCH version has a black "overlay" for
a cover...
Perhaps some solo stuff tomorrow....
-wf
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From: Michael Hanley <mhanley@microsoft.com>
Subject: superman: posters in alleyway
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 06:32:53 -0700
Did anyone who saw Superman last night catch the 2 posters in the alley?
Hint: it was in the first 5 minutes.
Mike
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From: Jacksonjim@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:02:03 -0400
Subject: McVicar
Gang,
I just got the MCVICAR soundtrack CD. Always liked that record.
Anybody(ies) out there know what tracks featured Who members? Certainly,
"McVicar" (the song) sounds like it features Entwistle and Jones. If anyone
has the info, please post it and I'll read it in the Digest.
Thanks!
Jim
P.S. Loved Daltrey's over-the-top Tez on LOIS AND CLARK. And isn't Townshend
gonna be on CBS THIS MORNING tomorrow?
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From: Litgo@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:37:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Forget Roger Daltrey for a moment, but...
In a message dated 96-05-13 06:54:58 EDT, WFang01@aol.com writes:
>didn't Justine Bateman look really bad???
Not to mention her stellar acting performance.
Litgo
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:48:43 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mason T. Weinrich" <mtw@shore.net>
Subject: Who @ Kilburn
There was a full set similar to the '75-6 tour set performed at Kilburn on
12/15/77, but only My Wife has made it out. Surprising to me, given that
somany other tapes have made it out, but I have never seen a collector with
this one... maybe some day it will come to light.
- Mason
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:49:18 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mason T. Weinrich" <mtw@shore.net>
Subject: Towser 1996 Tree
Be patient, folks - but it will happen soon... trust me.
- Mason
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:35:20 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jason Hare <hare@acsu.Buffalo.EDU>
Subject: Kilburn
Gary M, you aksed:
>>There has been mention on the list lately of the ill-fated Kilburn gig,
which the Who played to furnish performances for Jeff Stein's film The Kids
Are Alright. The songs from this show were apparently judged below par by
the band, and were not included in the film. Have any of the Kilburn
performances been released on any official or unofficial album or CD? What
was the Kilburn set-list? For those who may have heard any of the songs in
question, how would you rate them?.....Gary M.>>
A few years ago, I heard someone's copy of the show. I can't fully
remember but it definitely wasn't as bad as people thought. Moon was in
tough shape at that point, I remember reading that Entwistle was drunk at
the time. The set list was similar to a 76 show:
I Can't Explain
Substitute
Baba O'Riley
My Wife
Behind Blue Eyes
Dreaming From The Waist
Pinball Wizard
I'm Free
Tommy's Holiday Camp
Summertime Blues
Shakin' All Over
My Generation/Join Together/Who Are You
Won't Get Fooled Again
They indeed DID play Who Are You, but it didn't get very far. It was
mostly Pete singing the "Who are you, who who" part over and over, Roger
didn't really know the words, Keith was gone...
Jeff, you wrote:
> In regards to the WGFA on TKAA. My friend has a poster of the guys
> with the exact same clothes on except Keith is wearing a purple
> jumpsuit with white stars as opposed to the white shirt in the movie.
> I'm assuming this is in line with the band playing more than one show
> a night, so my question is, did they play two shows that night, and
> if so, is the one on the video the first or the second?
Nope, that's from Kilburn also. As is that closing footage in TKAA of
the band going up the stairs. John was obviously pissed- have you ever
seen him pretend to hit the camera before? :-)
What else.....when I talked to Chris Charlesworth, he told me
that the little "Big Mouthed little-git" comment was from Kilburn, not
from Shepperton. He also said there was "no love lost" (what the hell
does that mean?) between Jeff Stein and the band, and it is very rare
that the clips from the Kilburn show will ever be released. I think
that's a shame, since it would be amazing to have...
For the record, Rog wore that shirt from Shepperton at least 5 times in
the past....
As for Superman (I'm almost done! I promise!); HAHAHAHAHAHAH! Rog was
fantastic as usual but he scared the hell out of me. Who let him flick
his tongue like that? And Jennifer, I must agree, when he ate the flower
I was extremely happy.
Actually, for 50-something, he's keeeping in a lot better shape than a
certain Mr. Townshend.....
See ya later...hopefully the next time I post I'll be back home (i.e. OUT
OF BUFFALO...)
Jay
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Jason Hare <hare@acsu.buffalo.edu>
http://www.acsu.buffalo.edu/~hare
"Time is fleeting" RHPS
Funny how the pages turn and hold us in between.... - Brian May
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 10:47:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Mason T. Weinrich" <mtw@shore.net>
Subject: WGFA @ Shepparton
In the discussions about the Shepperton version of WGFA filmed for the Kids
are Alright - accoridng to a 1978 interview in Trouser Press w/ Jeff Stein -
the band had finished their set, including WGFA, and came backstage thinking
they were done. Stein felt he really hadn't nailed "the definitive" WGFA, and
asked the band to do it again. Pete (in his humble fashion) immediately got
totally pissed off, but agreed. He came onstage in a serious mocking mood,
which explains his exaggerated gesticulations during the first part of the
song. After the synth break, though, Stein felt that PT came out with more
serious Rock & Roll emotion & power than he had ever seen...
So there were 2 versions recorded that night, and most of the film comes from
the final take (including the smashing sequence). BTW - if you haven't read
that Trouser Press interview, its a great one.
- Mason
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From: Litgo@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:18:51 -0400
Subject: Info about Decade of the Who
Would anyone who owns this book be willing to post the particulars (i.e.,
title, author, publisher, year, etc.) about the Decade of the Who book?
Any help is appreciated.
Litgo
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:18:44 -0400
From: Doug Ciceri <dciceri@credit.erin.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Roy Harper
Hi everyone!
I saw the other day that someone mentioned that there is an album by Roy
Harper that has a few songs by Keith Moon and Jimmy Page as the backing
band. I saw this album (used) on vinyl for 16.00!! I was afraid to buy it
because I've never heard anything by Roy Harper (except for Have a Cigar
with Pink Floyd and the Edges of Twilight with the Tea Party). Can someone
tell me more about the album (i.e. the type of music) and how many songs
have Moonie behind the kit. I thank you in advance.
DC
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:25:27 -0400
From: Doug Ciceri <dciceri@credit.erin.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Quadrophenia vs. Who's Next
I'm a little behind in the digests but have enjoyed reading about the
so-called "Quad-Who's Next" Argument. It seems that some people favour the
drumming on Who's Next and some prefer it on Quadrophenia. I would only
like to say that I prefer the drumming on Quadrophenia. I think that Keith
does a better job and has a superior performance than on Who's Next. Since
there has been all the 'arguing' about this, I am going to take another
critical listen to both albums. Oh by the way, JJM (I think it was him)
stated that Keith was better on WN and believes that his opinion is credible
because he himself is a drummer. I myself am also a drummer and disagree
with this assessment. Keith seems better on Quad. This just goes to show
the other non-drummer people on the list that all the drummers on this list
do not see 'eye to eye' and that there is much room for debate. Anyone else
have any opinions?
Bye.
DC
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:38:18 -0400
From: Doug Ciceri <dciceri@credit.erin.utoronto.ca>
Subject: Joe Jackson??
OPENING ACTS!!!!
I have really enjoyed reading all the response to Bob Mould's show. I must
say that I agree with WF all the way. How many times have we all seen
opening acts that just don't suit the 'main attraction'. I can't comment on
Mould because I didn't see the show but what did Mould expect?? I have
always wondered who the brain children are that set up some of these opening
acts (I don't believe that the headliner always has the 'say'). They always
seem to have trouble providing the concert-goer with fair value for their
buck. The need for an opening act is simply to kill time! I'm sure
everyone at the PT show would have preferred the evening to have been 1.5
hrs with only PT on stage rather than ~ 3 hrs with Bob Mould as well. Is
there any point?? Also, the concert-goer has every right to express his
opinion verbally because HE OR SHE HAS PAID to see the show that inclues the
(generally) lousy opening act!!
On a related subject, couldn't believe what I was reading the other day!!
It seems that we have a Joe Jackson supporter on this list?? What is going
on?? I thought the days of candy pop were over forever? In a previous
post, Litgo (Ithink it was him; actually, I'm positive it was him) seemed
to glorify the work of Joe Jackson and his 'fresh' sound. Hey Litgo, how
about Christopher Cross and the Archies - they fit right in with the Joe
Jackson scene. This is all related to the first paragraph. In the early
80's, The Who performed at Exhibition stadium in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
and Joe Jackson was the opening act. It is my recollection that Jackson was
not only booed off the stage, but also had projectiles thrown at him.
Litgo, I guess that other Who supporters don't share your keen admiration of
Joe Jackson. The only thing 'fresh' about Jackson's music is the fruit he
picks off the stage at the end of one of his perfomances. Perhaps we can
organize a Joe Jackson list to discuss this 'brilliant artists' work
further. See you all in another post sometime in the future.
DC
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From: Brian.Cady@turner.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:31:23 -0400
Subject: All the news from Pete
I don't know whether you've heard this because I haven't received
any of my mail since Friday evening, but this Pete article from Virety
should answer a lot of questions. However, what is he doing in
Detroit?
FEATURE: Townshend Becomes Creative Wizard
By Gary Graff
DETROIT (Reuters) - In Pete Townshend's life these days,
just one thing is certain.
"What I'm not gonna do is tour with The Who," says the
guitarist-singer-composer-rock icon, referring to the band he
formed in 1964 in London and broke up in 1982. "That leaves me
with a bunch of other options I can get involved in."
And Townshend's is a formidable bunch of musical, theatrical
and cinematic projects that are in various phases of fruition.
He just finished a series of solo concerts to promote a new
best-of album,
"Coolwalkingsmoothtalkingstraightsmokingfirestoking" -- titled
from a lyric in his song "Misunderstood."
He moves from that into a presentation of The Who's 1973
rock opera "Quadrophenia," which will be staged June 29 in
London's Hyde Park. It's not quite a Who reunion, Townshend
cautions; the band's Roger Daltrey and John Entwistle will also
be involved, but they'll be joined by a group of guests who
Townshend is keeping secret for now.
Meanwhile, Townshend says he may not even play guitar during
the show, though he does expect to sing a couple of songs. And
he dangles the possibility of also staging "Quadrophenia" in
the United States this year. After that, he seems to have a full
plate of ideas in development, including:
-- A full-blown theatrical production of "Quadrophenia,"
which is in its fourth re-write;
-- A film version of his 1989 adaptation of Ted Hughes'
fable "The Iron Man," which he's working on with Warner Bros.;
-- A fleshed-out treatment of "Psychoderelict," his 1993
album about an aging rock star, which may be staged at Britain's
Edinburgh festival during the summer;
-- An autobiography that links his life with his father's,
who played in jazz and big bands in England;
-- And a resurrection of "Lifehouse," a "millennium,
apocalyptic, virtual reality story" that The Who was working on
after "Tommy." Some of the songs turned up on the classic
album "Who's Next."
Townshend says the New York City Opera has expressed
interest in helping him develop that project.
"Lately, most things I'm doing seem rooted in the past,"
Townshend, 51, says. "Even things that still feel new to me,
like 'Psychoderelict'... This is something that's three years
old."
There's a higher purpose to this spate of activity, however.
In 1965, Townshend hung himself with the lyrical albatross of
"Hope I die before I get old" from The Who's hit "My
Generation." Now he's earnestly investigating a way to craft
credible, rock-oriented projects after he's, well, gotten old --
at least by rock 'n' roll standards.
"I just think it's because rock 'n' roll is, for me, an
artistic process, though it's not seen to be that way by
everybody who works in it or by part of he media that surrounds
it," explains Townshend, who lives in London with his wife,
Karen.
"I think an artist has to constantly re-evaluate and
redefine, not himself, but what is his commission. I want to
know what my commission is. "I don't want to be part of this
boomer thing ... the idea that I can't miss just because I'm
surrounded by so many old (people) like me who are going to go
out and buy whatever I put out.
I'm looking for what happens next in the same creative
continuum, rather than this theory of what happens when you grow
out of listening to your favorite college band...
"I feel a kind of duty to be able to accept that I am in an
extraordinary place at the moment, and I have to respond to that
-- not just what the business around me offers but also to find
out whether or not the people I write for, the people we're
trying to entertain, what they feel and how important it is for
them to feel they can go to see a play or hear a bunch of songs
or see a movie which has themes that relate deeply to their own
experience and are not just about universal issues."
This is something Townshend began pursuing when he started
writing songs for The Who. There's a reason why Pearl Jam's
Eddie Vedder was hanging around Townshend's recent appearances;
The Who's songs were rock's original teen angst -- reflections
of confusion, alienation, frustration and just plain awkwardness
-- that indelibly touched everything that's known as modern rock
today. The themes may be broad, but Townshend says they were
designed to touch listeners in a very specific way.
"In rock 'n' roll, you rely on people to put themselves in
the picture," he says. "You have to put yourself on the stage,
throw yourself into it. Then it works -- brilliantly. The
ability of rock to be particular is so extraordinary and makes
it so difficult to make it happen in other mediums...that rely
on characters and stories. Occasionally it happens; I suppose
I'm out there to see what happens when I do whatever it is that
I do."
Townshend has already done that successfully. In 1992, he
and director Des McAnuff adapted "Tommy" into a Tony
Award-winning play that's wowed audiences all over the world
with its combination of Broadway and rock sensibilities.
Townshend says he learned quite a bit from that endeavor -- and
not just on the creative end.
"I can get anything I want done if I go straight to the
source," he says. "We're getting 'Quadrophenia' done because
we went straight to Mastercard -- cut out all the people
in-between -- got $400,000 and put the thing up.
"It's a strange place to be to realize that...all I have to
do is stroll into a room with a few old guys and say 'I fancy
doing 'Quadrophenia' as a dramatic work' and they say 'Hey,
we'll give you money.' That may sound cynical, but the fact is I
can do it, and I trust myself to do it well."
Reuters/Variety
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:00:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Simon
John, re:
>~WF and his wife came in simultaneaously with Simon's manager and
>Ben Townshend and we all got a chance to chat for a while about various
>Townshend/Who plans, ideas, etc. Simon eventually showed and after a few
>"hello's" he got started on his guitar.
Actually, Simon was there a bit earlier (there was a previous act) and left
for a moment. We went off with Ben and Simon's "co-manager", Joe for a
soda... Apparently, we all trampled in at the same time...
And, for anyone who plans to go there in the future... make sure when you
order the spinach quiche, tell the yo-yo's to HEAT THE <RIKER> thing up!
Nothing worse than a cold quiche... ..well, perhaps a few things...
-wf
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From: Brian.Cady@turner.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:52:24 -0400
Subject: Re: A Decade Of The Who
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I got this one in the U.S. when it came out. A love the artwork,
produced by a fellow Baba lover. It's incredible and a must buy. I
thought at the time it was an attempt to do a Who version of The
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Subject: A Decade Of The Who
Author: WFang01@aol.com at Internet
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: 5/11/96 3:02 PM
Just picked up the above at a record show today. Great book. I don't remember
seeing this one around before (copy write 1977). Not only does it have
interesting artwork and pictures, but a detailed interview with JAE and words
& music to a lot of songs, including "Heaven & Hell", "Let's See Action",
"Put The Money Down", "Parvadigar", "Day Of Silence", "See My Way" and many
others...
If you can find it, get it...
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 12:24:16 -0700
From: Rich Niven <RNiven@prudential.com>
Subject: Re: Quadrophenia vs. Who's Next
Doug Ciceri wrote:
>
> I'm a little behind in the digests but have enjoyed reading about the
> so-called "Quad-Who's Next" Argument. It seems that some people favour the
> drumming on Who's Next and some prefer it on Quadrophenia. I would only
> like to say that I prefer the drumming on Quadrophenia. I think that Keith
> does a better job and has a superior performance than on Who's Next. Since
> there has been all the 'arguing' about this, I am going to take another
> critical listen to both albums. Oh by the way, JJM (I think it was him)
> stated that Keith was better on WN and believes that his opinion is credible
> because he himself is a drummer. I myself am also a drummer and disagree
> with this assessment. Keith seems better on Quad. This just goes to show
> the other non-drummer people on the list that all the drummers on this list
> do not see 'eye to eye' and that there is much room for debate. Anyone else
> have any opinions?
>
> Bye.
>
> DCHaving been a drummer myself, I vote for Quad........I
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From: Rockit34@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:50:20 -0400
Subject: Re: The Who Digest Vol 3 Num 132
In a message dated 96-05-12 06:48:57 EDT, you write:
>
WhiteFang spake:
>Marc, re:
>
>>So far no one has mentioned this comment from Pete last Saturday:
>"I always thought men <Riker> men was a manly thing to do."
>
>OK, I'll bite. Who's ear did he whisper that in? And, was this right after
>the "meet & greet", just before he snuck out the "back door"?
>
>-wf
Um... He said it from the stage, between songs, into the microphone for all
to hear. Maybe you were off somewhere harrassing Bob Mould.
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:50:24 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tim Herrlinger <tjherrlinger@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Backstage with Pete
For all the people with connections that got to go backstage with Pete
(LA, SF, or NY), what was it like? Any interesting tidbits you'd like to
throw our way?
Tim Herrlinger
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 13:48:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tim Herrlinger <tjherrlinger@ucdavis.edu>
Subject: Irish Jack
I never heard the final word on Irish Jack in NYC. Did anyone ever see
him there and if not, what happened?
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: 13 May 96 11:55 PST
From: Kevin Winn <kwinn@steptech.com>
Subject: knee pads
>>>
From: Litgo@aol.com
>How'd PT's knees take that slide night after night on tour? Knee pads.
I forgot about the kneepads! I used to wear them, too, in my band in hs.
<<<
Yeah, I had some old skateboarding knee cups that I wore, because I was
tear-assing all over the place, and would usually end the last set with
an "off-the-drum-riser-straight-to-my-knees" death leap. Keep in mind
this was with a Rickenbacker 4001 bass (kinda heavy). I forgot to put
the knee pads on one night, and realized it a split second before I
landed on my knees. They still get achy when the weather turns...
OK,
KLW
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From: Brian.Cady@turner.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:37:36 -0400
Subject: Again: All the news from Pete
I'm sorry if this is the 3rd time this has been sent in, but I've
had trouble all morning with the cc:mail. I haven't seen this one
clear yet, but one of my later messages have. And since this is so
important:
FEATURE: Townshend Becomes Creative Wizard
By Gary Graff
DETROIT (Reuters) - In Pete Townshend's life these days,
just one thing is certain.
"What I'm not gonna do is tour with The Who," says the
guitarist-singer-composer-rock icon, referring to the band he formed
in 1964 in London and broke up in 1982. "That leaves me with a bunch
of other options I can get involved in."
And Townshend's is a formidable bunch of musical, theatrical
and cinematic projects that are in various phases of fruition.
He just finished a series of solo concerts to promote a new
best-of album,
"Coolwalkingsmoothtalkingstraightsmokingfirestoking" -- titled from a
lyric in his song "Misunderstood."
He moves from that into a presentation of The Who's 1973
rock opera "Quadrophenia," which will be staged June 29 in London's
Hyde Park. It's not quite a Who reunion, Townshend cautions; the
band's Roger Daltrey and John Entwistle will also be involved, but
they'll be joined by a group of guests who Townshend is keeping secret
for now.
Meanwhile, Townshend says he may not even play guitar during
the show, though he does expect to sing a couple of songs. And he
dangles the possibility of also staging "Quadrophenia" in
the United States this year. After that, he seems to have a full plate
of ideas in development, including:
-- A full-blown theatrical production of "Quadrophenia,"
which is in its fourth re-write;
-- A film version of his 1989 adaptation of Ted Hughes'
fable "The Iron Man," which he's working on with Warner Bros.;
-- A fleshed-out treatment of "Psychoderelict," his 1993
album about an aging rock star, which may be staged at Britain's
Edinburgh festival during the summer;
-- An autobiography that links his life with his father's,
who played in jazz and big bands in England;
-- And a resurrection of "Lifehouse," a "millennium,
apocalyptic, virtual reality story" that The Who was working on after
"Tommy." Some of the songs turned up on the classic
album "Who's Next."
Townshend says the New York City Opera has expressed
interest in helping him develop that project.
"Lately, most things I'm doing seem rooted in the past,"
Townshend, 51, says. "Even things that still feel new to me, like
'Psychoderelict'... This is something that's three years old."
There's a higher purpose to this spate of activity, however.
In 1965, Townshend hung himself with the lyrical albatross of "Hope I
die before I get old" from The Who's hit "My Generation." Now he's
earnestly investigating a way to craft credible, rock-oriented
projects after he's, well, gotten old -- at least by rock 'n' roll
standards.
"I just think it's because rock 'n' roll is, for me, an
artistic process, though it's not seen to be that way by everybody who
works in it or by part of he media that surrounds it," explains
Townshend, who lives in London with his wife, Karen.
"I think an artist has to constantly re-evaluate and
redefine, not himself, but what is his commission. I want to know what
my commission is. "I don't want to be part of this boomer thing ...
the idea that I can't miss just because I'm surrounded by so many old
(people) like me who are going to go out and buy whatever I put out.
I'm looking for what happens next in the same creative
continuum, rather than this theory of what happens when you grow out
of listening to your favorite college band...
"I feel a kind of duty to be able to accept that I am in an
extraordinary place at the moment, and I have to respond to that --
not just what the business around me offers but also to find out
whether or not the people I write for, the people we're trying to
entertain, what they feel and how important it is for them to feel
they can go to see a play or hear a bunch of songs or see a movie
which has themes that relate deeply to their own experience and are
not just about universal issues."
This is something Townshend began pursuing when he started
writing songs for The Who. There's a reason why Pearl Jam's Eddie
Vedder was hanging around Townshend's recent appearances; The Who's
songs were rock's original teen angst -- reflections of confusion,
alienation, frustration and just plain awkwardness -- that indelibly
touched everything that's known as modern rock today. The themes may
be broad, but Townshend says they were designed to touch listeners in
a very specific way.
"In rock 'n' roll, you rely on people to put themselves in
the picture," he says. "You have to put yourself on the stage, throw
yourself into it. Then it works -- brilliantly. The ability of rock to
be particular is so extraordinary and makes it so difficult to make it
happen in other mediums...that rely on characters and stories.
Occasionally it happens; I suppose I'm out there to see what happens
when I do whatever it is that I do."
Townshend has already done that successfully. In 1992, he
and director Des McAnuff adapted "Tommy" into a Tony Award-winning
play that's wowed audiences all over the world with its combination of
Broadway and rock sensibilities. Townshend says he learned quite a bit
from that endeavor -- and not just on the creative end.
"I can get anything I want done if I go straight to the
source," he says. "We're getting 'Quadrophenia' done because we went
straight to Mastercard -- cut out all the people in-between -- got
$400,000 and put the thing up.
"It's a strange place to be to realize that...all I have to
do is stroll into a room with a few old guys and say 'I fancy doing
'Quadrophenia' as a dramatic work' and they say 'Hey, we'll give you
money.' That may sound cynical, but the fact is I can do it, and I
trust myself to do it well."
Reuters/Variety
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: 13 May 96 12:10 PST
From: Kevin Winn <kwinn@steptech.com>
Subject: Decade of The Who
>>>
From: WFang01@aol.com
Just picked up the above at a record show today. Great book. I don't
remember
seeing this one around before (copy write 1977). Not only does it have
interesting artwork and pictures, but a detailed interview with JAE and
words
& music to a lot of songs, including "Heaven & Hell", "Let's See Action",
"Put The Money Down", "Parvadigar", "Day Of Silence", "See My Way" and
many
others...
<<<
The original printing of this book included handwritten notes by Pete at
the beginning of each of the song sheets. The chord diagrams and tunings
were/are invaluable musically, and the notes often included interesting
stories or anecdotes. We have talked about this book a few times over
the last few years on the list, and I believe it was concluded that these
notes were removed from subsequent printings. But I'll sell you my copy
for a million bucks... :)
OK,
KLW
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 14:49:39 -0700
From: Rich Niven <RNiven@prudential.com>
Subject: Posters
Does anyone have PT or WHO posters they'd be willing to part with? I lost
a favorite I had (a VERY haggard looking PT, circa 1977) in my divorce.
I have American cash.......
Thanks,.
"I work myself to death, just to fit in"..... PT.......
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From: Brian.Cady@turner.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:30:40 -0400
Subject: Re: WHO sounds good
^^My Generation
^^Original Brunswick UK or
^^Virgin reissue vinyl
When I recently made myself a tape copy of MG, I found I preferred the
Brunswick to the Virgin for what seemed to me a cleaner mono sound.
Of course, not everyone has this option. (it cost me a lot 20 years
ago; I can imagine now)
^^A Quick One (aka "Happy Jack")
I've always meant to ask you wf, is it true that all tracks (except
"See My Way" and "Happy Jack") have been released in stereo somewhere?
I think I have them all from either the U.S. LP or the French "The
Who" LP.
^^Although I maintain the mono mix of this album is depressing to
^^listen to...
I prefer the stereo, too, except for "Run Run Run" which has that
great feedback. Natuarally this is the one track on the new CD that
have in stereo.
^^Magic Bus
^^I'll only say this about that... The ORIGINAL Decca version has the
^^BEST studio version/mix of the title track (true stereo). The MCA CD
^^is worthless, unless you have to have the 2nd version of "Dr. Jekyll
^^& Mr. Hyde" on CD...
I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Are you saying the stereo
"Magic Bus" on the CD is different from the original LP. Sounds true
stereo on mine.
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From: Litgo@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:02:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Joe Jackson?? (no Who content)
Doug Ciceri,
Oh, that's right! I forgot no one on this list is allowed to listen to any
artist outside of the who. I'm not going to defend him, his music, or my
appreciation of it. I don't require affirmation from you or anyone to listen
Joe Jackson or anyone else. However, I must be incredibly ignorant, because
when I offer an opinion about an artist, especially one that attempts to
opine about 'brilliance,' I would be certain to have listened to an artist's
current work beyond the early '80s. Would you base your entire opinion of the
Who on Face Dances and It's Hard?
Now, Doug, you are entilted to your opinion, however myopic it may be. I find
it refreshing to see such an abundance of obstinacy on this list. I do
commend you on your apparent enjoyment of the full catalog of the Archies and
Christopher Cross. How could you compare them to Joe Jackson if you've not
listened to their releases? Oh, I see -- You were making comparisons to the
early '80s work of the Archies.
Litgo
In a message dated 96-05-13 12:55:03 EDT, dciceri@credit.erin.utoronto.ca
(Doug Ciceri) writes:
>On a related subject, couldn't believe what I was reading the other day!!
>It seems that we have a Joe Jackson supporter on this list?? What is going
>on?? I thought the days of candy pop were over forever? In a previous
>post, Litgo (Ithink it was him; actually, I'm positive it was him) seemed
>to glorify the work of Joe Jackson and his 'fresh' sound. Hey Litgo, how
>about Christopher Cross and the Archies - they fit right in with the Joe
>Jackson scene. This is all related to the first paragraph. In the early
>80's, The Who performed at Exhibition stadium in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>and Joe Jackson was the opening act. It is my recollection that Jackson was
>not only booed off the stage, but also had projectiles thrown at him.
>Litgo, I guess that other Who supporters don't share your keen admiration of
>Joe Jackson. The only thing 'fresh' about Jackson's music is the fruit he
>picks off the stage at the end of one of his perfomances. Perhaps we can
>organize a Joe Jackson list to discuss this 'brilliant artists' work
>further. See you all in another post sometime in the future.
>
>DC
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From: salamander@MADNET.COM
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:07:56 -0500
Subject: Roger on Superman, and other acting stuff
Well, that certainly was a fine dramatic role, wasn't it? Loved the
charming wet-look hairstyle Rog was sporting...covered up the bald spot
nicely too, except for that scene where he got thrown into the wall. And
the outfit! My my! Reminded me of the clothing worn by space colonists
on Star Trek, especially that vest thingy. All in all, a fine show of
rasping, lurking, salivating and jumping out at people abilities (insert
a lawyer joke here if you're the kind of person who goes for such
things). But I must say, I thought it was rather unfair of the writers
to have our boy morphing into other characters so much! He really only
got four decent scenes by my count. And the role of Tez could have used
some more fleshing out, IMHO. I rather liked the guy, but just when we
were getting to know him, he had to go and die! I also think that
Superman defeated him a bit too easily...sure, he IS Superman, but
this was supposed to be a challenge! Ah well. It was a tape-worthy show.
Later last night, driven by sheer curiosity, I ran a search on one of
the Internet film directories to see what other roles Roger has had. I
was surprised to see that there were quite a few more than just the old
"McVicar", "Lisztomania" and such that we all know about. For the
Daltrey-mad people on this list (you know who you are!), I will now list
out the names of these films.
"Lightning Jack", 1994, Western/Comedy. Jennifer mentioned this one
already.
"If Looks Could Kill" aka "Teen Agent", 1991, Comedy/Spoof
"Cold Justice", 1989, Drama
"Mack the Knife", 1989. I believe Roger sings in this one, but it
sounded like a pretty wretched movie otherwise.
"Murder: Ultimate Grounds for Divorce", 1984.
"The Legacy", aka "The Legacy of Maggue Walsh", 1979, Horror
Also a couple of made for TV flicks, "Forgotten Prisoners: The Amnesty
Files" in 1991 and "A Comedy of Errors" (yes, Shakespeare!) in 1983.
Whew!
On a similar note, who all has seen Lisztomania? It always sounded like
some trashy fun to me, although I hate to spend my time and money
locating a rental copy if it's just trashy.
-Yellow Ledbetter
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:06:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Joe Jackson??
Doug, re:
> The need for an opening act is simply to kill time!
Actually, I think it has more to do with the club, then anything else. A
small place like the Supper Club wants to sell drinks/food/crap/etc for 4
hours, rather than 2. Therefore, their cut from the "built-in-audience" of
the headliner is going to be greater. Unfortunately, in the case of Pete
Townshend, he played the wrong venue and should have booked a place like the
Beacon with seats and, no mold... Personally, if I never had to see an
"opening act" again, I'd be happy. I'm narrow minded enough (or is that just
"focused"?) to know what I like and what I don't like...
>>On a related subject, couldn't believe what I was reading the other day!!
It seems that we have a Joe Jackson supporter on this list??
I used to like Joe Jackson once upon a time. I thought his 1st 2 albums were
good, then he did that jazzy <Picard> which totally turned me off...
>> It is my recollection that Jackson was not only booed off the stage, but
also had projectiles thrown at him.
That's what happens when you have a "mismatch" (and a rowdy crowd). At the
concert I was at (in '82) they threw off Joan Jett & The B-52's (who were
very good) in the same matter. There's only so much you can play when you're
splattered with ketchup...
>>Litgo, I guess that other Who supporters don't share your keen admiration
of Joe Jackson.
While others might...
>>I must say that I agree with WF all the way.
Let's not scare the others too much! After all, I just posted a few examples
of how we "disagree"...
So... there you have it.
-wf
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:31:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Decade of The Who
Kevin, re:
>The original printing of this book included handwritten notes by Pete at
>the beginning of each of the song sheets. The chord diagrams and tunings
>were/are invaluable musically, and the notes often included interesting
>stories or anecdotes. We have talked about this book a few times over
>the last few years on the list, and I believe it was concluded that these
>notes were removed from subsequent printings. But I'll sell you my copy
>for a million bucks... :)
I supposenick I saved $1,000,000... my copy has the little notes. Nothing
earth shattering and since I don't play guitar, not meaningful on that part.
However, if I ever start to play keyboards again, I'll have this <Picard> to
draw on, but...
-wf
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:30:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Irish Jack
Tim, re:
>I never heard the final word on Irish Jack in NYC. Did anyone ever see him
there and if not, what happened?
Yeah, he was "there" (sort of). But don't even ask! Someone else will respond
to you regarding the rest...
-wf
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:31:05 -0400
Subject: Re: WHO sounds good
Brian, re:
> I've always meant to ask you wf, is it true that all tracks (except
> "See My Way" and "Happy Jack") have been released in stereo somewhere?
> I think I have them all from either the U.S. LP or the French "The
> Who" LP.
Yes, this is true. And, the German "A Quick One" has best mix, best sound and
most stereo tracks in one place. No "Happy Jack", and no stereo "So Sad About
Us", but it's phenomenal in every other way...
>> I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Are you saying the stereo
"Magic Bus" on the CD is different from the original LP. Sounds true
stereo on mine.
Yes, very different. Apparently MCA used the same stereo tape (what
generation--who knows...) for all these CDs, even where the album called for
the mono version (ie Meaty Beaty). This version <Bashirs> compared to the
original Decca version, which has much greater separation AND very
importantly the right tonal qualities of the harmony vocals, which the CDs
made very tinny... Definately worth seeking out and recording...
-wf
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:31:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Backstage with Pete
Tim, re:
>For all the people with connections that got to go backstage with Pete (LA,
SF, or NY), what was it like? Any interesting tidbits you'd like to throw
our way?
It was actually disappointing. Maybe I was there at the wrong moment, but
Pete seemed old and tired bustling through the crowd saying PC things,
shaking hands, etc... I said "hi", shook his hand and left after about 3
minutes... It wasn't any kind of environment to really talk or say anything
of value. Fine for a handshake or an autograph, but that's it...
-wf
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:31:00 -0400
Subject: Re: The Who Digest Vol 3 Num 132
Rockit, re:
>Um... He said it from the stage, between songs, into the microphone for all
to hear. Maybe you were off somewhere harrassing Bob Mould.
No <Picard> (is that #3 or #4?). I think my comments must have shot over your
heads...
-wf
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:31:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Posters
Rich, re:
>Does anyone have PT or WHO posters they'd be willing to part with? I lost a
favorite I had (a VERY haggard looking PT, circa 1977) in my divorce.
Wow! That must have been a bitter custody battle! Make sure your next wife
doesn't like The Who as much as you do. Just in case you go for D #2, you can
keep your "stuff"...
-wf
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From: NakedEye10@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:50:53 -0400
Subject: Thanks Fang
Thanks to Fang for posting the Naked Eye info.
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:21:37 -0400
From: Joe Giorgianni <giorgian@capital.net>
Subject: Re: WHO sounds good
At 04:30 PM 05/13/96 -0400, Brian.Cady@turner.com wrote:
> ^^My Generation
>
> ^^Original Brunswick UK or
> ^^Virgin reissue vinyl
>
> When I recently made myself a tape copy of MG, I found I preferred the
> Brunswick to the Virgin for what seemed to me a cleaner mono sound.
> Of course, not everyone has this option. (it cost me a lot 20 years
> ago; I can imagine now)
I believe it has not risen much thanks to the Virgin reissue. I paid $100
for mine around twenty years ago.
>
> ^^A Quick One (aka "Happy Jack")
>
> I've always meant to ask you wf, is it true that all tracks (except
> "See My Way" and "Happy Jack") have been released in stereo somewhere?
> I think I have them all from either the U.S. LP or the French "The
> Who" LP.
That is correct. I have heard that "See My Way" was made as a demo by
Townshend and Daltrey. I have always wondered what happened to the
multi-tracks of "Happy Jack", "Pictures of Lily" and "Heaven and Hell." At
least Shel Talmy didn't lose any.
>
> ^^Although I maintain the mono mix of this album is depressing to
> ^^listen to...
>
> I prefer the stereo, too, except for "Run Run Run" which has that
> great feedback. Natuarally this is the one track on the new CD that
> have in stereo.
I agree there also. I have always preferred the mono "Run Run Run."
>
> ^^Magic Bus
>
> ^^I'll only say this about that... The ORIGINAL Decca version has the
> ^^BEST studio version/mix of the title track (true stereo). The MCA CD
> ^^is worthless, unless you have to have the 2nd version of "Dr. Jekyll
> ^^& Mr. Hyde" on CD...
>
> I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Are you saying the stereo
> "Magic Bus" on the CD is different from the original LP. Sounds true
> stereo on mine.
It's getting confusing. I don't have the "Magic Bus" CD but I believe the LP
version is on the "Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy" CD. However, the long 4:28
version is only on the "Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy" LP. Got that? :-)
Joe
-----
Joe Giorgianni
South Glens Falls, NY 12803
If you are interested in the Who and their records please check out my web
page at:
http://www.capital.net/users/giorgian/
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:22:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Wendy Wiseman <wwiseman@csulb.edu>
Subject: Re: Roger on Superman, and other acting stuff
On Mon, 13 May 1996 salamander@MADNET.COM wrote:
> Later last night, driven by sheer curiosity, I ran a search on one of
> the Internet film directories to see what other roles Roger has
had. I
> was surprised to see that there were quite a few more than just the old
> "McVicar", "Lisztomania" and such that we all know about. For the
> Daltrey-mad people on this list (you know who you are!), I will now list
> out the names of these films.
>
> "Lightning Jack", 1994, Western/Comedy. Jennifer mentioned this one
> already.
> "If Looks Could Kill" aka "Teen Agent", 1991, Comedy/Spoof
> "Cold Justice", 1989, Drama
Ooh, didn't know about these!
> "Mack the Knife", 1989. I believe Roger sings in this one, but it
> sounded like a pretty wretched movie otherwise.
Never actually seen it (have the soundtrack), but I'd rather get my
hands on "The Beggar's Opera" again. (RD as MacHeath) Taped it off A&E
a few years ago, and then it got accidentally taped over! Arrgghh! I
thought it was wonderful.
> "Murder: Ultimate Grounds for Divorce", 1984.
> "The Legacy", aka "The Legacy of Maggue Walsh", 1979, Horror
Didn't know about these either...
> Also a couple of made for TV flicks, "Forgotten Prisoners: The Amnesty
> Files" in 1991
Got this.
> and "A Comedy of Errors" (yes, Shakespeare!) in 1983.
But not this.
(Great information! I'll have to go hunt these puppies up somewhere.)
> On a similar note, who all has seen Lisztomania? It always sounded like
> some trashy fun to me, although I hate to spend my time and money
> locating a rental copy if it's just trashy.
I rented it a few years ago and I thought it was just hysterical. The
opening scene alone sent me rolling... Go for it!
And on another similar note, whatever happened to the "The Teddy Bear
Habit" (loved the book as a kid!) and "Father Jim" (thing about a
boxer...)?? Anybody know the status of these?
Wendy
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:21:41 -0400
From: Joe Giorgianni <giorgian@capital.net>
Subject: Re: Info about Decade of the Who
At 12:18 PM 05/13/96 -0400, Litgo@aol.com wrote:
>Would anyone who owns this book be willing to post the particulars (i.e.,
>title, author, publisher, year, etc.) about the Decade of the Who book?
>
>Any help is appreciated.
>
>Litgo
>
>
A Decade of The Who
An Authorised History in Music, Paintings, Words and Photographs
Book edited and designed by Ted Dicks
First published in Great Britain 1977 by Fabulous Music Limited
19/20 Poland Street, London W1V 3DD
Exclusive Distributors for the Music Trade in the USA:
Music Sales Corporation
33 West 60th Street, New York 10023
ISBN 0 8256 2670 6
Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 77 79900
Printed in Great Britain by Butler & Tanner Ltd
Frome and London
-----
Joe Giorgianni
South Glens Falls, NY 12803
If you are interested in the Who and their records please check out my web
page at:
http://www.capital.net/users/giorgian/
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From: Extremus@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:34:01 -0400
Subject: Daltrey on Highlander (again)
As previously noted, Roger will appear on this week's new Highlander
(presumably as a flashback, since he was killed during his second
appearance).
This is a syndicated show. It'll appear at different times/days depending on
who carries it in your TV market. Don't count on someone else's date/time
announcement! In the Kansas City area, it's on Monday night, May 13, at 9:00
p.m., channel 62.
Mick Noland
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From: JAGUAR1730@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:32:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Irish Jack
In a message dated 96-05-13 13:59:22 EDT, you write:
>
> I never heard the final word on Irish Jack in NYC. Did anyone ever see
>him there and if not, what happened?
Is this "Irish" Jack Lyons? One of the three guys who organised a Who
memoribilia exhibition at the ICA in London? Its in the 30 yrs. book.
-jag
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From: "Bragg, Blaine" <blaine@sdg.com>
Subject: Opening Acts
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 15:28:46 -0700
>WFang re:
>>>?Doug, re:
>
>> The need for an opening act is simply to kill time!
>
>>> Personally, if I never had to see an
>>>"opening act" again, I'd be happy. I'm narrow minded enough (or is
>>>that just
>>>"focused"?) to know what I like and what I don't like...
>
What about the (admittedly rare) times the opening act is good and may
be "the next big thing". Sometimes it can, in retrospect, be quite
memorable for example (these are just examples, I am in no way endorsing
the artist ALA Joe Jackson):
1) The LA's (definitely had the flavor of early Who - Can't Explain,
Happy Jack etc. - had to link to the Who somehow!) opened for Elvis
Costello
2) Guns 'n Roses (hey the ticket was free) opened for Aerosmith before
MTV & rehab.
3) Edie Brickel and the New Bohemians opened for ___________ (can't
remember exactly...must have been a great headliner!).
All three examples were cases of shows _before_ they had any
recognition. I would agree that opening acts are like Russian Roulette,
>except you've got 5 bullets and 1 empty chamber that won't kill you!
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:13:44 -0400
Subject: Who Sounds Good (solo)
Roger Daltrey
-------------------
Daltrey
The German CD sounds as good as any vinyl pressing
--------------------
Ride A Rockhorse
UK or German pressing. The MCA sounds good, but is a bit noisy. NO CD.
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Lisztomania
USA pressing sounds fine (A&M label). Supposedly this was released on CD in
Japan, but I've never seen it...
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One of the Boys
UK pressing. Also has "Written On The Wind" which didn't make it stateside...
No CD.
----------------------
McVicar
Clear Vinyl UK is superior to USA. CD sounds probably just as good (no
noticeable sound difference between German & USA CDs..._
-----------------------
Best Bits
French vinyl better than MCA. No CD.
-------------------------------------
Parting Should Be Painless
USA copy sounds best... No CD.
-------------------------------------
Under A Raging Moon
UK/German vinyl sounds the best. Both USA vinyl and UK/USA CDs sound too
tinny. The above vinyl sounds a tiny bit smoother, but makes a difference on
your ears...
--------------------------------------
Can't Wait To See The Movie
Vinyl version has a different mix of "When The Thunder Comes", but soundwise,
no difference really between that or the "Euro" or USA CDs...
Rocks In The Head
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USA CD only. (to the best of my knowledge) No vinyl issued.
Daltrey Sings Townshend (or whatever it's called)
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See entry just above...
John Entwistle
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All vinyl (except for new Anthology & "The Rock"). I would say that the 1st 4
albums sound better on UK or German vinyl, except for "Too Late The Hero",
which sounds better on the USA pressing...
Pete Townshend
--------------------------------------
All the CDs sound as good as or better than vinyl with the following
exceptions:
"Happy Birthday" still has "Mary Jane", otherwise unreleased. "I Am" still
the only source for the "official" instrumental "Baba O'Riley" demo and "With
Love" has "Meher", otherwise unreleased.
"Empty Glass". I do not like ANY CD version as much as the original vinyl.
The gold version comes the closest, but still not good enough. All other CDs
seem WAY too tinny. The USA vinyl sounds fine and I never played my Japanese
vinyl version...
"White City". I'll go with the German vinyl on this as it sounds a bit
"softer" than the CD version(s). I think 1985 was a bad year for CDs as they
still were experimenting. The same problem hit "Under A Raging Moon"...
Keith Moon
----------------
I'll go with the USA MCA on this one... sounds a bit crisper... No CD...
-wf
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:27:11 -0400
Subject: Re: WHO sounds good
Joe, re:
>I believe it has not risen much thanks to the Virgin reissue. I paid $100
for mine around twenty years ago.
Some piece of doody was trying to sell a copy for about $250 recently.
Unbelieveable, huh?
>> I have always wondered what happened to the multi-tracks of "Happy Jack",
"Pictures of Lily" and "Heaven and Hell."
Me too. Hopefully, they'll turn up... ..before the remastering is
completed...
>>It's getting confusing. I don't have the "Magic Bus" CD but I believe the
LP version is on the "Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy" CD. However, the long 4:28
version is only on the "Meaty Beaty Big and Bouncy" LP. Got that? :-)
Actually, the CD version is a bad mix of the LP version and the long mono
version, besides being on "Meaty Beaty" vinyl, is on "The Who Collection Part
2" CD...
-wf
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:27:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Roger on Superman, and other acting stuff
Wendy, re:
>"Father Jim" (thing about a boxer...)?? Anybody know the status of these?
I think you're thinking of "Cold Justice". I bought the laser disc and have
to say it is one of the WORST movies I've ever seen. You REALLY have to love
Roger to sit through this thing... ... and even THEN, you're sorry!
-wf
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From: WFang01@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:27:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Irish Jack
Jag, re:
>Is this "Irish" Jack Lyons? One of the three guys who organised a Who
memoribilia exhibition at the ICA in London? Its in the 30 yrs. book.
Didn't read that part of the book, but his name is Lyons and he's the
"opening act" in the Dave Marsh book....
-wf
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From: hiwatt@deltainet.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 16:52:25 -0800
Subject: Re: Backstage with Pete
> For all the people with connections that got to go backstage with
>Pete (LA, SF, or NY), what was it like? Any interesting tidbits you'd
>like to throw our way?
Yey, I got to go backstage with Pete. And Keith,John and Roger, and
promptly made a fool of myself. That was in the summer of 1968, so I feel
confident in offering you all this advice: don't ever go backstage with
Pete and offer him $5 for the Levis he's wearing. You'll feel like an
idiot.
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 19:56:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brian J Nell <BNELL@drew.edu>
Subject: Goodbye...for now....
Date: 13-May-1996 07:52pm EST
From: Nell, Brian J
BNELL
Dept: STUDENT
Tel No: (201)-408-4788
TO: Remote Addressee ( _in%THEWHO@MPATH.COM )
Subject: Goodbye...for now....
I'm going to have to unsubscribe for a few weeks...so I figured I'd leave
lurker mode and tell you all how much this list has meant to me over the
past few months....I've always liked The Who as a band, but the
discussions on this list along with the fact that I've more than tripled
my Who collection over the past few months has given me a whole new
appreciation for this wonderful band....thanks for everything and I'll be
back in June....by the way, if there is a change of address, could someone
notify me by email...my address is "bnell@drew.edu" thanks....
Brian Nell
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:20:26 +0000
From: Jason Hare <hare@acsu.buffalo.edu>
Subject: No guitar!?!?
I just checked out the Townshend article
(http://www.yahoo.com/headlines/960512/entertainment/stories/music_towns
hend_1.html), and I found some stuff that made me feel kind of
uncomfortable::
"He moves from that into a presentation of The Who's 1973 rock opera
``Quadrophenia,'' which will be staged June 29 in London's Hyde Park.
It's not quite a Who reunion, Townshend cautions; the band's Roger
Daltrey and John Entwistle will also be involved, but they'll be joined
by a group of guests who Townshend is keeping secret for now. "
He also says that he won't be touring with The Who, but, this next part
is what really makes me feel weird:
"Meanwhile, Townshend says he may not even play guitar during the show,
though he does expect to sing a couple of songs."
Okay, not reforming The Who, I can understand. He might not even play
guitar during the show? WHAT?!??! I really hope this is the "I don't
know what i'm saying because it's nowhere near what the truth is"
Townshend speaking...
Jay
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From: Boris6@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 20:12:36 -0400
Subject: Re: All the news from Pete
In a message dated 96-05-13 08:36:46 EDT, Brian.Cady@turner.com writes:
> this Pete article from Virety should answer a lot of questions.
> However, what is he doing in Detroit?
Pete's not in Detroit, the writer is based in Detroit. But why does he need
to bring up "Hope I die before I get old". Does every article about PT need
to reference this tired line of questioning.
"Gee, Pete you're old now. Do you still want to be dead?"
Doug
> FEATURE: Townshend Becomes Creative Wizard
> By Gary Graff
> DETROIT (Reuters) - In Pete Townshend's life these days,
> just one thing is certain.........
> There's a higher purpose to this spate of activity, however.
> In 1965, Townshend hung himself with the lyrical albatross of
> "Hope I die before I get old" from The Who's hit "My
> Generation."
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: 13 May 96 17:28 PST
From: Kevin Winn <kwinn@steptech.com>
Subject: re[2]: evolution
>>>
From: cuda340@tribeca.ios.com (Tesco Vee)
I think you are approaching adulthood too mechanically. If there
is a "flame of youth" to back away from, into what are you backing into?
[snip]
<<<
>>>
From: mleaman@sccoast.net (Mark Leaman)
Now this is a worrisome post.
[snip]
<<<
Whoa - I got a lot of response, public and private, to my post about the
onset of adulthood. I thought I'd respond a bit here, since it's a
recurring theme in PT's work and an issue that we're all going to face at
one time or another.
Several of the messages were of the above type: "Don't lose your youth!"
"You should stay young in your MIND"
First, I never meant to give the impression that, as a precondition of
aging that I've completely given up the ghost. Far from it. While my
physical body may no longer be able to take what it once used to (despite
my best efforts otherwise), my emotions and intensity have subsided
somewhat, and all I meant was that I believe that is a necessary part of
maturing.
I no longer go home and pray in front of the stereo and think to myself
that this description of Jimmy and his inability to come to terms with
the forces that are pulling at him are more important than anything, and
in fact *are* everything, in *that* moment, and that moment *is* my life.
Now I have to think about a much broader picture. It's a shift in view.
I am now trying to reconcile my place in the world as opposed to trying
to reconcile the world to my perceptions of it. I found that by taking
the latter tack, I was spiraling further down into my own head, and
ending up in situations and places that were very destructive and
dangerous, like climbing up a water tower with a head full of acid during
a blizzard. I'm not saying listening to the Who made me do that. What
made me do that was becoming intoxicated by the intensity of the emotion
that the Who represented in (and to) me. I'm a better man for it, but
frankly, some of the things I used to do for Pete (at least in my own
mind) were fucking frightening.
I used the Who as a role model. Moon's intensity and recklessness,
Pete's brooding fury and perception and self-(fill in the blank). It
nearly killed me a few times. I made a conscious decision to back away
from that flame. Not toward boredom. Nothing so diametrically opposed.
Just towards a balance within myself. Quad is no less appreciated by my
head and my soul than when I was 16 and would snarf down a couple of
microdots and spend a night wandering the beach, headphones blaring...
but it is less *necessary.*
And that's indicative of the way things have evened out in my life. I
don't know how many of you have ever studied any of the stuff that Meher
Baba (Pete's avatar) has given, but it's at least worth looking into.
Personally, I think that the reason that I got into the Who was to come
to know the philosophies that Pete spends a great deal of energy trying
to paraphrase and reproduce.
The main thing that I've learned is that you can be aware and participate
without necessarily killing yourself.
Stacey: I'm not approaching adulthood with any plan at all. Much less
mechanically. Afraid I'm just making it up as I go. :)
Mark: I also find that four or five days in a wilderness area can do
wonders for my head.
Thanks to all who were interested.
OK,
KLW
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From: hiwatt@deltainet.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 17:19:43 -0800
Subject: Re: Opening Acts
I'd split my pea-level brain to see Guns & Roses open for The Who. Alice In
Chains would be highly complimentary too.
The bands I've seen open for The Who have been "The Nice"(with Keith Emerson),
"Magic Sam", "Mylon LeFavre(?) and The Holy Smoke Rope Band", "Almond Bros.
Band", "The Clash", "Woody Herman And The Herd", "Steve Gibbon's Band",
"Grateful Dead", "Rig", "Cannonball Adderley", "Iron Butterfly" and other
odd assortments.
In retrospect, I'm glad I saw them all, because so many of them are history
now.
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 21:57:02 -0400
From: mleaman@sccoast.net (Mark Leaman)
Subject: Re: Opening Acts
>What about the (admittedly rare) times the opening act is good and may
>be "the next big thing". Sometimes it can, in retrospect, be quite
>memorable for example (these are just examples, I am in no way endorsing
>the artist ALA Joe Jackson):
Blaine:
Perhaps not so rare. I've seen many opening acts that were good (although
not perhaps as good as the headliner). Such as:
Widespread Panic for Blues Traveler
Peter Tosh for The Stones
Squeeze for Sting
Big Head Todd And The Monsters for Widespread Panic
Santana for Bob Dylan
Billy Preston for ZZ Top
Eagles for Joe Walsh (back when they were good)
Flash for Santana
Emerson Lake And Palmer for Allman Brothers (should have been the other way
around)
Just to mention a few off the top of my head.
Cheers ML
"Never underestimate the power of human stupidity." L. Long
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From: Litgo@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 22:34:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Joe Jackson?? (no Who content)
Scott,
Hey, I'm not Tipper Gore or Pat Buchanan, so...... I'm not going to tell you
what to listen to. "....If the Archies steer clear of quality, they're
alright...."
>Alright.....That's it!!!! I've seen all my other favorite artists dissed
here(Mould, Joe Jackson, Jackson 5, Foreigner, etc.) but now you've gone too
far. C'mon people, the Archies simply defined pop culture in the late 60's
early 70's. I remember their concert in 73 when Scooby Doo did his Sinatra
tribute as an opener ( Now that's an opener!). All I can say is they rocked!
Veronica tossed her socks into the crowd. Guess who caught them. I still
keep them under my pillow. There's talk of a reunion by the way. Jughead is
out of rehab and looks great! Look for them on the next Power Rangers movie.
Love and Carpet Tacks,
Scott
Scott Curtis <<
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From: JimboWHO@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 23:03:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Quadrophenia vs. Who's Next - Drummer vs. Drummer
DC:
> Oh by the way, JJM (I think it was him)
>stated that Keith was better on WN and believes that his opinion is credible
>because he himself is a drummer. I myself am also a drummer and disagree
>with this assessment. Keith seems better on Quad. This just goes to show
>the other non-drummer people on the list that all the drummers on this list
>do not see 'eye to eye' and that there is much room for debate.
No, I never said my opinion is credible because I'm a drummer. I said felt
Moon's performance was better on WN on the strength of his playing on
"Bargain", "Goin' Mobile", "My Wife" and "WGFA" - all songs that I couldn't
even begin to play like he did. I offered this as one reason for my
preferring WN. His playing on QUAD was to me a bit more straight ahead, not
as much like being a "lead drummer." Nothing wrong with this though; great
drummers know when to "play for the song."
I stand by my opinion but I do respect yours as well.
JJM
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 22:05:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: Scott Curtis <SJCurtis@cris.com>
Subject: Re: Joe Jackson?? (no Who content)
>Date: Mon, 13 May 1996 18:04:25
>To: Litgo@aol.com
>From: Scott Curtis <SJCurtis@pop3.cris.com>
>Subject: Re: Joe Jackson?? (no Who content)
>
>At 05:02 PM 5/13/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>Doug Ciceri,
>>
>>Oh, that's right! I forgot no one on this list is allowed to listen to any
>>artist outside of the who. I'm not going to defend him, his music, or my
>>appreciation of it. I don't require affirmation from you or anyone to listen
>>Joe Jackson or anyone else. However, I must be incredibly ignorant,
because
>>when I offer an opinion about an artist, especially one that attempts to
>>opine about 'brilliance,' I would be certain to have listened to an artist's
>>current work beyond the early '80s. Would you base your entire opinion of
the
>>Who on Face Dances and It's Hard?
>>
>>Now, Doug, you are entilted to your opinion, however myopic it may be. I
find
>>it refreshing to see such an abundance of obstinacy on this list. I do
>>commend you on your apparent enjoyment of the full catalog of the Archies
and
>>Christopher Cross. How could you compare them to Joe Jackson if you've not
>>listened to their releases? Oh, I see -- You were making comparisons to the
>>early '80s work of the Archies.
>>
>>Litgo
>>
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 96-05-13 12:55:03 EDT, dciceri@credit.erin.utoronto.ca
>>(Doug Ciceri) writes:
>>
>>>On a related subject, couldn't believe what I was reading the other day!!
>>>It seems that we have a Joe Jackson supporter on this list?? What is going
>>>on?? I thought the days of candy pop were over forever? In a previous
>>>post, Litgo (Ithink it was him; actually, I'm positive it was him) seemed
>>>to glorify the work of Joe Jackson and his 'fresh' sound. Hey Litgo, how
>>>about Christopher Cross and the Archies - they fit right in with the Joe
>>>Jackson scene. This is all related to the first paragraph. In the early
>>>80's, The Who performed at Exhibition stadium in Toronto, Ontario, Canada
>>>and Joe Jackson was the opening act. It is my recollection that Jackson
was
>>>not only booed off the stage, but also had projectiles thrown at him.
>>>Litgo, I guess that other Who supporters don't share your keen admiration
of
>>>Joe Jackson. The only thing 'fresh' about Jackson's music is the fruit he
>>>picks off the stage at the end of one of his perfomances. Perhaps we can
>>>organize a Joe Jackson list to discuss this 'brilliant artists' work
>>>further. See you all in another post sometime in the future.
>>>
>>>DC
>>
>>
>>>
>
>Alright.....That's it!!!! I've seen all my other favorite artists dissed
here(Mould, Joe Jackson, Jackson 5, Foreigner, etc.) but now you've gone too
far. C'mon people, the Archies simply defined pop culture in the late 60's
early 70's. I remember their concert in 73 when Scooby Doo did his Sinatra
tribute as an opener ( Now that's an opener!). All I can say is they rocked!
Veronica tossed her socks into the crowd. Guess who caught them. I still
keep them under my pillow. There's talk of a reunion by the way. Jughead is
out of rehab and looks great! Look for them on the next Power Rangers movie.
>
> Love and Carpet Tacks,
>
> Scott
>
Scott Curtis
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 00:33:02 -0400 (EDT)
From: Godfather <lmunro@mustang.uwo.ca>
Subject: Re: Roger on Superman, and other acting stuff
On Mon, 13 May 1996 salamander@MADNET.COM wrote:
> Also a couple of made for TV flicks, "Forgotten Prisoners: The Amnesty
> Files" in 1991 and "A Comedy of Errors" (yes, Shakespeare!) in 1983.
Let's not forget that timeless Christmas classic "The Little Match
Girl." Another singing role.
> On a similar note, who all has seen Lisztomania? It always sounded like
> some trashy fun to me, although I hate to spend my time and money
> locating a rental copy if it's just trashy.
Bravo seems to show that quite often, btw they're showing Quadrophenia
on tuesday.
Luke
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From: TAPEBOY@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 02:38:42 -0400
Subject: Kilburn/Shepperton/Yvonne Elliman
Gary M. Gillman wrote:
>>What was the Kilburn set-list? For those who may have heard any of the
songs in
question, how would you rate them?.....Gary M.<<
The set-list for the Kilburn show was :
I can't explain
substitute
baba o'riley
my wife
behind blue eyes
dreaming from the waist
pinball wizard
i'm free
tommy's holiday camp
summertime blues
shaking all over
my generation
with join together and a attempt at who are you
won't get fooled again
by all accounts it really was a bad night for the band and pete in
particular. it was the height of the u.k. punk scene, and you get the
feeling that pete would rather have been anywhere but at a who concert.
they also hadn't performed live in over a year
and despite work on the 'who are you' album, were very rusty.
Jeff Williams wrote:
>>In regards to the WGFA on TKAA. My friend has a poster of the guys
with the exact same clothes on except Keith is wearing a purple
jumpsuit with white stars as opposed to the white shirt in the movie.
I'm assuming this is in line with the band playing more than one show
a night, so my question is, did they play two shows that night, and
if so, is the one on the video the first or the second?<<
the picture used for the poster was taken just prior to the Kilburn show.
Keith wore the Purple jumpsuit there. he couldn't fit into it 6 months
later for the shepperton filming. Stein wanted them to all wear the same
clothes to ease editing of footage from both performances. the kilburn
show was pretty much the who doing a show with the cameras running, while
shepperton was set up just to get baba o'riley and WGFA. the who decided
to play other songs for the invited audience while stein was reloading the
cameras after each shoot. i don't have a full set list in front of me, but
i recall that in between takes of WGFA and baba they did at various points:
i can't explain, substitute, and summertime blues.
pete was in a much better mood for this performance, and it shows in the
film.
Gary M also wrote:
>>In the cuurent Q magazine ( the same one with the PT interview) a reader
writes that he's sure a female group covered I Can't Explain in the late
60's or early 70's and that PT sang back-up vocals.<<
prehaps he's refering to Yvonne Elliman's recording of I can't explain,
which featured Pete on guitar.
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Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 11:54:55 +0900
From: chris@trn.or.jp (Chris Hinkle)
Subject: Re: Who Sounds Good (solo)
At 7:13 PM 96.5.13 -0400, WFang01@aol.com wrote:
>Roger Daltrey
>USA pressing sounds fine (A&M label). Supposedly this was released on CD in
>Japan, but I've never seen it...
Nor have I...
cmh
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From: Gord1@aol.com
Sun Dec 7 14:27:27 PST 1997
Date: Tue, 14 May 1996 03:27:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Joe Jackson?? (no Who content)
In a message dated 96-05-13 22:44:35 EDT, Litgo@aol.com writes:
>>Alright.....That's it!!!! I've seen all my other favorite artists dissed
here (Mould, Joe Jackson, Jackson 5, Foreigner, etc.) but now you've gone too
far. C'mon people, the Archies simply defined pop culture in the late 60's
early 70's. I remember their concert in 73 when Scooby Doo did his Sinatra
tribute as an opener ( Now that's an opener!). All I can say is they rocked!
Veronica tossed her socks into the crowd. Guess who caught them. I still
keep them under my pillow. There's talk of a reunion by the way. Jughead is
out of rehab and looks great! Look for them on the next Power Rangers
movie.>>
Wasn't it "Josie and the Pussycats" that openend for the Archies in '73...
BTW, there is a rumor that the Archies are the "special" guests at the Hyde
Park show....
...Dr. Jughead and Mr. Jim...
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