lipsynching and noodling

Chris Frate cfrate at
Sat Feb 13 17:43:58 UTC 2010

The way his voice is now I think "Bald Headed Woman" would be spot on!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Toby Elwin" <telwin at>
To: <nakedi at>; <thewho at>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: lipsynching and noodling

> On 2/13/10 12:16 PM, "Jim M" <nakedi at> wrote:
>> -------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Toby Elwin" <telwin at>
>>> I see clearly that "Won't Get Fooled Again" is where the wheels start
>>> falling off the wagon, perhaps the show's entire lead vocals were double
>>> tracked or blended.  There is no way this whole show was mimed or
>>> lipsynched.  The lead vocals may have had trickery and perhaps Daltrey 
>>> and
>>> his famously "fickle" voice took the insurance policy against Miami
>>> weather, but I don't particularly care, what borders the absurd is when
>>> people who's music experience is watching and voting on American Idol
>>> believe they are actually astute in expressing musical or live 
>>> performance
>>> integrity.   That this show gets dismissed to the scrap heap of a band
>>> that mimed the event is patently inaccurate.
>> Toby, how ya doin'?  I'm pretty sure Jason's jibe was in good fun.  We're
>> all friends here!
>> Problem I have with this description is, I wasn't able to find 1 place 
>> where
>> Roger's vocal differs from the mashup as I was able to do with Pete.  If
>> anyone finds that difference, I'd love to hear it.
>> Jim M (admitted American Idol fan)
> Jim,
> No ego bruised here, enjoy the thoughts.  Can you post (or repost) a link 
> to the mashup?  If Roger Daltrey wracked his brain to "try" to memorize 
> all the little nuances, blessed be his effort and it seems by the time 
> "Won't Get Fooled" comes around he has forgotten his memorized deviances. 
> Also his voice has the haggard sound that always makes me think, "is he 
> going to make that note?" why not prerecord a studio controlled good 
> sounding voice if he wanted to lipsynch the whole sha bang?  Was the 
> Mashup recorded live or live on sound stage?
> Even his vocals on the Endless Wire album or "Real Good Looking Boy" shows 
> a far better voice than live, which is really what makes live shows 
> enjoyable - they are live - sorry American Idol fans, it is true things 
> happen live and that is what The Who became billed as the greatest live 
> band in the history of rock and roll - the imminent danger or 
> uncontrollable outcome that stands to create magic.
> Pete's bored and, unlike Elton John who changed the keys to his songs when 
> his voice changed, Roger needs to do something that takes advantage of his 
> vocal prowess and stop trying to deliver Baba O'Riley in the key of F. 
> This is a band that plays Who songs and does interesting versions as close 
> to the power the originals had and I'll take it.  I don't want to hear a 
> studio version of a song from 1969 or 1978 - give me the guts, its what 
> jazz and blues live for.
> Perhaps Daltrey's voice now is a full circle to the pre-Who R&B that was 
> their staple - "Daddy Rolling Stone", "Motoring", "Leaving Here", "I'm a 
> Man".
> Toby
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