in hindsight.. (an opinion piece)
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Fri Mar 27 19:36:33 UTC 2009
May only happen if Pete let's go of the ego and allows some type of musical collaboration. And by that I mean only by allowing Roger, Pino and Zak to do as The Who had done before and feed from his demos. And of course Simon.
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From: Christopher Cappiello <cdowdcappiello at yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 12:15:14
To: The Who Mailing List<thewho at igtc.com>
Subject: Re: in hindsight.. (an opinion piece)
Interesting post. But if there's anyone to blame for the fact that John wasn't alive for the latest Who album, frankly, it's John himself. John's death might have given Pete a sense of urgency about doing something new, though. Also, much of "Endless Wire" came about from Pete's "The Boy Who Heard Music" blog in which he interacted with fans to an extent that I can't see any other rock star of his stature doing (including Bruce). And he has spoken about how, more than anything, that inspired him to create new music.
I do hope that if there is more new Who music in the future, that they get Zak in the studio for the entire album. I actually love "Endless Wire," and think it's very adventurous (it's all just a matter of opinion, isn't it...), but many tracks would be so much stronger with Zak behind the kit.
- Chris Capp
--- On Fri, 3/27/09, JOELTLE515 at aol.com <JOELTLE515 at aol.com> wrote:
> From: JOELTLE515 at aol.com <JOELTLE515 at aol.com>
> Subject: in hindsight.. (an opinion piece)
> To: thewho at igtc.com
> Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 1:05 AM
> A Story Of Stripes, Springsteen And
> The "Bloody 'Oo"
> I recall before "Endless Wire" was released (a few years
> before it was
> released actually), Pete Townshend in an interview said
> something to the effect of,
> "Watch out Jack White!" Meanwhile, in a separate interview,
> speaking about
> Pete's current songwriting skills, Roger Daltrey said that
> Pete has the best
> ability to write about growing old, and made some comments
> about Bruce
> Springsteen. "He's good, but not as good as Pete",
> was basically his point.
> So, a few years go by, 2006, the first Who album in 14
> years, "Endless Wire",
> was finally released, and while some "Wholigans" dug it,
> this one (the one
> typing all this gobbly-gook) considered it to be probably
> one of the worst
> albums ever released by a major band. To make matters
> worse, Pete didn't even use
> the current "Who" touring band on the bulk of the album.
> Basically, we ended up
> with, what I call, a Pete Townshend solo album with Roger
> as a guest
> vocalist. If it was billed as such, I probably
> would've liked it better. Maybe..
> What REALLY chaps my... you-know-what, is Pete through the
> years stating that
> he didn't want to do another Who album, and then the idea
> in 2000 to tour and
> write new material, which was fine but never amounted to
> anything, and then
> Entwistle dies, and then all of a sudden, talk of a new Who
> album emerges
> full-force and an actual album is being recorded and later
> released. Not to
> mention, the band going out on their biggest world tour in
> years in support of it.
> Where was this rolling ball when John was still alive? I'm
> sure we all would've
> loved to have heard a new Who album with Entwistle's
> constantly improving bass
> playing on it. And with that tour they did, and John's love
> for the road and
> playing with a band, would've been right up the ol' Ox's
> alley. Dare I say
> it, it was like they waited for him to go before they felt
> it was OK to do a
> new album. I know that sounds incredibly morbid and unfair
> to say, but somewhere
> in the back of my sub-conscious, that feeling is
> there. But, in the end, I
> felt it was best to take a deep breath, give the benefit of
> the doubt, and wait
> and hear the new album when it was released. For the rest
> of the story, just
> read the previous paragraph.
> Anyway, one year later, 2007, The White Stripes (featuring
> Jack White on lead
> vocals and guitar) release their album "Icky Thump", and
> Bruce Springsteen
> releases his first album with The E Street Band in five
> years, "Magic". I heard
> both albums, it was quite a year to say the least. The end
> result: I felt both
> albums were absolutely incredible and featured both acts at
> the top of their
> respective games.
> The title track "Icky Thump" alone was enough to make me
> stand at attention.
> I remember first hearing it on "Little Steven's Underground
> Garage" and was
> practically rolling on the couch at how great the track
> was. The rest of the
> album was just as good and interesting and, in my opinion,
> was their best since
> 2001's "White Blood Cells" (so far, the album is their last
> since Meg White's
> acute anxiety and Jack's playing with two other
> I remember breaking out in tears at how beautiful "Girls In
> Their Summer
> Clothes" off "Magic" was when I first heard it (again, on
> the Underground Garage,
> my only refuge for good music in today's "no fun, no
> quality, no excitement"
> society). The entire album was probably Bruce's finest
> since either "Born To
> Run" or "The River". It seems like I'm comparing current
> albums with albums from
> the past, but I think it's actually quite difficult for
> anyone to be around
> for, in Bruce's case, over 30 years, and in the Stripes'
> case, 9 or 10 years,
> to perform such a feat, but they did it.
> So, when I think about Pete saying, "Jack White, watch out"
> and Roger saying,
> "Bruce is good, but not as good as Pete", I have to sort of
> chuckle and roll
> my eyes a bit. Maybe they were a bit TOO confident in my
> opinion. Like the
> phrase, "Eyes bigger than your stomach", or, "Don't count
> your chickens before
> they hatch". Maybe I hoped for too much out of The Who
> myself. But then again,
> it's the bloody 'oo right?! You mean I should expect less?
> "Who's Next",
> "Quadrophenia", "My Generation", "The Who Sell Out", OF
> COURSE I wanted this album
> to be great. I wanted to love it, I wanted to praise it.
> "THE WHO ARE BACK!"
> etc. But instead, I came on this list in
> disgust over it.
> Springsteen released yet another album this year, "Working
> On A Dream", and,
> although in my view, it's not as good as "Magic" (I think
> if the KISS-sounding
> "Outlaw Pete" was left off, I would like it better), it
> still holds up quite
> well. And yes, Bruce is starting to write lyrics dealing
> with old age
> Now, I know there will be many on this list who will chime
> in and disagree,
> and I welcome them all, but it's something that's been on
> my mind for quite
> some time. (Actually, I've been hesitant to post this at
> all. Let's see what
> happens. Ha.)
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