Bill Wymannnnn on the Bass



slipkids slipkids at nyc.rr.com
Mon May 24 19:03:19 CDT 2004


i really think we should get rid of pino.  He is not ther perfect fit for
the band.

Hey,  you,  Bill,  Billy Wyman,  are you available for some partime work.

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> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:09:06 -0400
> From: "Kevin O'Neal" <kevinandt at gmavt.net>
> Subject: MSG
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> >Neil E. Weissman
> >MSG
> >
> >While a terrific performance, it was short,
> >under 2 hours.
> ><snip>
> >Many of you may not like this, but I feel cheated.  I expect a band to
play
> >at least 2:15 or 2:30.
>
> Check your watch, Neil.  You may need a new battery.
> Stu and I timed it and came out with 2:14 (8:45 - almost 11pm)
>
> >The only reason they did Magic Bus at the end was that they
> >had to fill another 7 to 10 minutes.
>
> Disagree.
> The end of SMFM (last song in encore) was botched just a bit.  As a result
> the ending to the whole show turned out anti-climactic.
> So, as the boys (Zak, Pino, Simon, Rabbit) left the stage, Pete and Roger
> stayed and Pete, sensing the end on a down note, grabbed Roger and spoke
> into his ear.  They kind of nodded in agreement.  Pete picked his guitar
> back up and then signaled to a  roadie who sprinted off stage to go get
the
> others.
> Once all back on stage, they went into MB which was in a sense a second
> encore.
>
> As Dave in NJ wrote, I too was a bit surprised to open with ICE, etc.
> But, I wasn't worried, and kept thinking about what Jim had written with
> going 0-1000mph right off the bat, with no where to go from there but
down.
> I could see that.  Maybe Pete and Rog did too.
> So, it didn't bother me.
>
> The show was great.
> This is a very strong band on stage.
> Again, as Dave wrote, they were VERY tight, particularly the first half of
> the show.  Flawless.  Ferocious.  Driven.  Professional.
> Again, a very strong band.
>
> I do have one complaint.  While it's just one, it's big.
> Get....rid....of Pino.
> It aint working.
>
> 'I couldn't hear him.
> I couldn't see him.
> I never heard him, not a note of him
> He won't play nothing to no one
> never tell a soul
> And, I know it's the truth.'
>
> I tried and tried, but I...could...not...hear Pino.
> He might as well not have been there.
> I was downright pissed several times because of it.
> Pino is now pulled further back from the front of the stage.
> He lives in isolated darkness.
> It's the Pete and Roger show now.
> But, if this is going to be a "band"....a living and working band....you
> have to bring bass into the mix.
> I think we all came away with the same strong feelings.
>
> Stu argued lightly that he thought Pino played well, but he was just kept
so
> low in the mix that it was frustrating.
> I can't go there.
> Even in the solo's for MG, he could barely squirt the notes out of his
ass.
> And, from the speed of his head-pecking, it looked like he was giving it
his
> all to just not fuck up on that part.  Jesus, you would think he would
> practice it better to kick it smoother.
> It just ain't working.
> WHO2 will not work without a distinct low-end sound that is brought back
> into the mix.
> Bass is just too vital to The Who's music and sound.
>
> I was almost relieved that they didn't play "Love Ain't for Keeping", in
> that it would have made me cry..missing John's distinctive bass lines in
> that song.
> Pino needs to be either let off his leash, or let go all together.
> Sorry.  I went in with an open mind, and came out convinced.  Also,
everyone
> else I was talking to was saying the same thing.
>
> Yep, we got Naked Eye.
> That was indeed a treat.
> It was, for me, a bit of a tease.
> While I enjoyed the acoustic rendition, I kept waiting for the beat
change,
> and explosion into the never reaches of nakedness.
> It didn't happen.  But, it was great to hear, so no biggie (sorta  ;-).
> Where the teasing *REALLY* hurt was throwing in verses of.....and I'm
> surprised no one has mentioned this yet....throwing in verses of YOUNG MAN
> BLUES!!!  (can't remember where that was...between what songs??  anyone??)
> I was about to freak!
> Stu and I were holding our breath!  "Come on!  Keep it going!  Are they
> really???  Would they dare????  Holly hell, we're going to get Young Man
> Blues???
> No, we're just going to get diddled a bit.  Tempted.  Teased.  Played
with.
> It was painful.
>
> A bit surprised at the lack of banter or even conversation with the crowd.
> Again, no biggie.
> Found it hilarious when Roger's mike went launching like a fucking
*missile*
> into the crowd.
> I think it landed about 5 rows back, because it exchanged about 4 hands to
> get it back to the stage.
> >From the way Roger was looking at that area, I could have sworn someone
was
> lying on the ground hurt.  But, everyone seemed to be fine, and Roger
> laughed it off.  Even Pete shot a grin and chuckle.
>
> Oh, did I mention that Zak is a monster???
> Holy hell.
> Why if you bring in a drummer to enter the mix, would one not do the same
> with the bass.
> I don't get it.
>
> Wish I had gotten to hear Long Live Rock.  Speaking of which, where the
hell
> is/was Joe Lewinski???
>
> Anywho...
> The concert I saw on Saturday night was a powerful show.  You just can't
> deny that these guys are strong and can kick ass.  The show is really very
> entertaining.
> I'm wondering though, if others felt like it was hard for them to keep the
> momentum going through the entire show.  Did anyone feel a trailing off?
> I've been wondering if trying to do a whole show without being able to
rest
> behind some of the sound of John's bass, takes a toll on Pete.  He quickly
> drained being the focus after Keith's death....so....maybe.....
> Maybe he sees it and will make a change.
> Or, maybe it'll scare him and discourage future work.
> Maybe, I think too much...
>
> NY!
> Really, this was as much, if not more of the motivation.
> The show was an added bonus.
> I seem to remember someone saying at one point, "hell, and we still have a
> Who Concert to go to tonight!"
> Fly into JFK, shuttle to Madhattan, and am able to surprise Cousin Schrade
> and Brotha Jon with a loud "WHO!  WHO!  WHO!" from across the street of
the
> Hotel where they were waiting, at 9:45am.
> Freshen up, and head downtown to meet Leslie, our hook into local
> flavor.....like *Sicilian* pizza (don't call it deep-dish in, NY  ;- )
> whoops!)
> Get a personal guided tour of Ground Zero by a who fan.  Nice.
> Get shown where the best view is.  Nice.
> Get personal accounts of actually being there.  Painful, but, nice.
> Share some time.  .....nice.
>
> Leslie's got to go, and we did too, back to mid-town to meet my Maryland
> friends Stu and Mike.
> Check into PHAT suite right across from MSG, and then the rest.....could
> just be descried as a blurr of one fun-as-shit moment after another.
> Walking through Times Square on a raging Saturday afternoon, to meet up
with
> other Who friends at Hurley's.
> This bar had a really nice back patio with tables and chairs.  Perfect to
> take a break from the the noise of the bar.
> Met up with our good friend Emme and her fiancé, and really just had a
> completely great time.  Good to see so many who friends again (Joe, where
> were you??????), and also to meet others that I've read before.  Who
videos
> were being played, and Who gifts were being given away.  And Who beer was
> being consumed.  Well, just beer.
> >From there the party raged back toward MSG, for a show and more Who-chat
in
> the post-show-glow on the steps of MSG.  Really a cool thing to step
outside
> of the venue (MSG) and be on a busy and partying NY street.  Step out of
the
> show, and into a party.  The night ended after 3:30am with visits to the
> Molly Wee and late night slices.
>
> I rounded out my NY experience yesterday with a good visit to Strawberry
> Fields and other sections of Ctrl. Park with my childhood friends from MD.
>
> Gentlemen...
> That's right, you Scottles and Jon....(and obviously you too Stu and Mike
if
> you're reading!)
> Fun doesn't give it justice.
> A pleasure.
> It will be repeated.
> I'll send photo's soon.
> "Can you....get on with it?  Can you keep it together??"
>
> I added it up....average of 4 1/2 hours of sleep the last 3 nights.
> It's raining like a motha here.
> I'm taking a nap.
>
> Kevin (who wisely planned to take today off) in VT
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:31:09 -0400
> From: "Kevin O'Neal" <kevinandt at gmavt.net>
> Subject: NY Times review of MSG
> To: <thewho at igtc.com>
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> >NY Times review of MSG
> >
> >>Who Knew: Rolling Past Collective Memory
> >>By BEN RATLIFF
>
> BEN RATLIFF.
> Ya *dumbass*.
>
> >Published: May 24, 2004
> >
> <snip>
> >
> >"It Don't Happen That Way at All,"
> >performed by Mr. Townshend
>
> Ya *dumbass*.
>
> >and his longtime band mate
> >the singer
>
> The singer?
> *dumb*ass.
>
> <snip>
>
> >Once they were uncool
> >in a way that worked. Now they're just uncool.
>
> What the fuck?
> Where'd *that* come from????
> This guy is such an idiot, that his entire article/review is generally
very
> polite and positive, and then he pulls down his pants and takes a dump on
it
> all because I'm *sure* he thinks *that's* the cool thing to do and write.
> What a maroon.
>
> Hey Ben!
> Don't look now, but you're the only one that didn't get it!
> All the other reviewers were intelligent enough to know what it was they
> were looking at.
>
> Ya dick.
>
> Kevin in VT
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 10:47:07 -0400
> From: "Kevin O'Neal" <kevinandt at gmavt.net>
> Subject: New Pete diary from NY...
> To: <thewho at igtc.com>
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>
>  23 May 2004
> Parade
>
>
>  It is Sunday. Humid, the Israel Parade passes down 5th Avenue as me and
and
> my partner the singer-songwriter Rachel Fuller try to shop for the last
few
> things for folks back home. Father's Day is coming up and she still has a
> living father.
> The trip has been a good one. We played for the CBS presentation of their
> forthcoming season and introduced the song they are going to use for their
> CSI New York series - 'Baba O Riley'
> Coincidentally Hewlett Packard have just started to use an original
version
> of the backing music for the same song for their great new TV commercial.
My
> brother Simon produced it from my original home demo recording.
> In a very real way the use of Who music in this manner keeps it alive, and
> brings it to a new audience in an era when our music would otherwise never
> be heard on the radio or TV. Except on Miami Steve's radio shows of
course.
> Without his show there would be no White Stripes, no Strokes and probably
> very little new guitar music.
> I am listening to Joni Mitchells' CD called TRAVELOGUE. It is a revisit to
> her career with full orchestra. It is, quite simply, a quantum
masterpiece.
> Joni is at the peak of her powers. Even her paintings seem to me to be
> especially revelatory gathered as they are in the sleeve. Someone told me
> last night, after The Who's show at Madison Square Garden, that she plans
no
> more recording. If she never made another record, this one will stand as a
> testament not only to her work, but to the greatness of American
Orchestral
> music. I hear Oliver Nelson, Aaron Copland, Edgar Meyer and even Thomas
> Newman in this work. But her arranger, under the guidance of her ex-
husband
> Larry Klein - who could do nothing more to express his ongoing love and
> respect - is Vince Mendoza. This guy knows how to score, and someone
> certainly knows how to fix the right musicians.
> After our CBS thing at Carnegie Hall we went to Boston to play at the
> Tweeter Center at Great Woods. Last time there, I shouted that we would be
> back. I am so grateful that circumstances allowed this to be our first
> proper show to the public on American soil. It was a little rusty, but
what
> a welcome we received.
> I spent some time in the rest of the week joining Rachel to write some
songs
> (we wrote three together on my birthday). She had a few meetings with her
> record label too. Things are looking clearer now for her with a likely
> release date at the end of August.
> Then, finally, Madison Square Garden. This was just the best thing that's
> happened to me in two years. So many beautiful, friendly faces, and at a
> show that sold out in just 20 minutes. Roger connected with the crowd just
> as he had on the last dates in 2002. I was just happy to be up there,
> grateful to be alive, and lucky to have such a great team around me.
> Home now. I'm spending a holiday with my son. I'll get to see the four
dogs
> at home. And hopefully hook up with old friends who will be anxious to
know
> how things went on this first Who trip to the USA since 2002.
> I can tell them, it was a joy.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:40:10 -0400
> From: Joe Lewinski <lewinski at icanon.com>
> Subject: Re: MSG
> To: TheWho at igtc.com
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>
>  > Wish I had gotten to hear Long Live Rock.  Speaking of which, where the
> hell is/was Joe Lewinski???
>
> Kevin:
>
> This was a bit painful for me.  I was with my family
> cruising around NYC all day (Ellis Island, Times Square,
> Rockefeller Center, etc.), and I arrived at the Molly
> Wee around 6:00ish.  Saw Keets, and Jeff and Greg
> from MD.  Looked around for you, and my son and I
> ordered some food.   Waited around, swept up to the
> front a few times and never saw you.  Around 6:45
> I saw Magik come in.  We chatted a bit and he said that
> he saw you at Hurley's (I must have missed this
> last minute change in plans).   There was Who music
> and a bunch of Who fans at the Molly Wee, and we were
> close to show time so we decided that moving up to
> Hurley's on 48th at around 7:00 was a bad plan.  A
> few fans I met (Diego and Wendy) said that they heard
> that the Hurley's event was advertised until 6:00 PM
> anyway.  So I suspected that you guys might move down
> to either Molly Wee or to MSG.   Jason and I hung out
> until 7:00 and decided to go over to MSG and look at
> t-shirts (we settled on the red-white-blue union jack
> silhouette of Pete jumping in a question mark shape,
> and looked around for you guys to enter the venue.
>
> After the show we ventured over to the arena seats on
> Pete's side and I combed around looking for you guys
> to basking in the afterglow as the rest of the mob
> hit the exits.  No luck.
>
> We dashed up to our hotel on 42nd - Jason got a nice
> piggyback ride up 7th avenue and got him settled for
> bed and quick recap of the evening's events with my
> wife.
>
> Back to Molly Wee (this time down 8th street).  Was
> planning on hitting a cab, but the North-bound one-way
> prevented any easy cab acquisition, so I decided to get
> some exercise.   No dice....   I again saw Greg from
> MD guarding the bar with a guy named Josh.   I decided
> to hang for a Guinness and see if you guys would show.
> Greg mentioned that there was some hotel that Rabbit
> might end-up playing at, but the name escapes me.
> I remembered Hurley's was on 48th, so I said good by
> to Greg and marched up to Hurley's around 12:20.  No
> luck.  No Kevin, no Schrade, no Stu, no Jon.  ;-(
>
> Sorry we couldn't hook up.   I felt a bit like Jimmy
> Cooper back at Brighton.
>
> As for the show.  I am really happy to have introduced
> my son to The Who with such a great performance by
> Pete.   He was on top of his game and looks to be
> in excellent mental and physical shape.  I am happy
> for him.    The band is very tight, and I agree
> with your comments on Pino.  I think that Simon should
> move to bass.   Unlike some of the *official* reviews,
> I think Simon's backing vocals and guitar work are
> essential to filling out the sound.  I could see Simon's
> every move from where I was sitting and strongly
> suggest that remain and receive a promotion.
>
> I dig the drums/guitar jam between Zak and Pete, then
> the harmonica/guitar jam between Rog and Pete
> on Magic Bus, only to be followed by an organ/guitar
> jam between Rabbit and Pete.
>
> The Listening to You did end on a very weak note.  All
> the versions I have of live material were loud and
> bold.   This one had none of that.   Their decision to
> stay and play was obvious.  I was expecting another
> acoustic set, or a Roger/Pete solo.  When I saw Simon
> pick up the wood blocks I was the first in my section
> to scream MAGIC BUS!
>
> In retrospect I should have taken some cell numbers
> down....  I trust you guys had a good time without me
> We failed to get together, but The Who prevailed!
>
> Joe in Philly  - who will be buying the MSG/2004 on CD
>
>
>
> Joe Lewinski
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 11:51:55 -0400
> From: Joe Lewinski <lewinski at icanon.com>
> Subject: Re:  New Pete diary from NY...
> To: TheWho at igtc.com
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>
>  >  It is Sunday. Humid, the Israel Parade passes down 5th Avenue as me
and and
> my partner the singer-songwriter Rachel Fuller try to shop for the last
few
> things for folks back home.
>
> Kevin:
>
> I read this when I got home last night.   We were right
> in that area around 12:30 PM Sunday watching the parade
> assemble on 51st near the Radio and TV museum.  That
> would have been a *hoot* to run into Pete after not
> being able to find any of you on Saturday!
>
> Joe in Philly
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:21:52 -0400
> From: "Schrade, Scott" <sschrade at ascpl.lib.oh.us>
> Subject: Re: MSG
> To: "'thewho at igtc.com'" <thewho at igtc.com>
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> > Back to Molly Wee....  No dice....
>
>
> Can't go into detail now regarding the entire weekend, but, Joe, we
> probably missed you by only a few minutes after you left Molly Wee's.
>
> Bummer.
>
>
> - SCHRADE in Akron
>
> John Kerry For President
> http://www.johnkerry.com/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:46:23 -0400
> From: "Jim M" <petenotped at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: MSG
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> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin O'Neal"
>
> > As Dave in NJ wrote, I too was a bit surprised to open with ICE, etc.
> > But, I wasn't worried, and kept thinking about what Jim had written with
> > going 0-1000mph right off the bat, with no where to go from there but
> down.
> > I could see that.  Maybe Pete and Rog did too.
> > So, it didn't bother me.
>
> I do think that's the best way to open up.  A few quick early hits.  Just
> mix 'em up a little bit.  I'm a Boy, Happy Jack, I Can See For Miles...
>
> > I do have one complaint.  While it's just one, it's big.
> > Get....rid....of Pino.
> > It aint working.
>
> I agree with what you're saying about his sound.  But I can't help
thinking
> it's intentional.  He's standing back almost up against his amps, no spot
> lighting *at all*, dressed in black.  *He's* not choosing to be so
> inconspicuous.  *Somebody* has made that decision and it has to extend to
> his sound, or at least his volume.
>
> > I was almost relieved that they didn't play "Love Ain't for Keeping", in
> > that it would have made me cry..missing John's distinctive bass lines in
> > that song.
>
> I thought it sounded good, but I'm looking forward to getting the Encore
CD
> to refresh my memory.  It did seem *very* short though.  I'm thinking they
> cut out a verse.
>
> > Yep, we got Naked Eye.
> > That was indeed a treat.
> > It was, for me, a bit of a tease.
> > While I enjoyed the acoustic rendition, I kept waiting for the beat
> change,
> > and explosion into the never reaches of nakedness.
>
> I had a feeling it might be like that.  I had mentioned I'd like to hear
an
> accoustic section a while back, but I knew if I actually got it there
would
> be part of me that wished for the full out rocking versions of the songs.
> Then I read Matt's description of how Pete and Roger connected there and
> thought, well that would have been great to see.  Did you get any sense of
> it?  Before Matt posted that thought he had the pictures up, and I
remember
> thinking that the one of Pete & Roger hugging looked pretty emotional.
I'm
> happy if these guys are becoming closer through these tours.  How could
they
> not?
>
> > It didn't happen.  But, it was great to hear, so no biggie (sorta  ;-).
> > Where the teasing *REALLY* hurt was throwing in verses of.....and I'm
> > surprised no one has mentioned this yet....throwing in verses of YOUNG
MAN
> > BLUES!!!  (can't remember where that was...between what songs??
anyone??)
> > I was about to freak!
> > Stu and I were holding our breath!  "Come on!  Keep it going!  Are they
> > really???  Would they dare????  Holly hell, we're going to get Young Man
> > Blues???
> > No, we're just going to get diddled a bit.  Tempted.  Teased.  Played
> with.
> > It was painful.
>
> According to Matt's setlist it was during My Generation.  They did the
same
> thing with Kids Are Alright in Mansfield (I thought that worked).  They
kind
> of went from MG to KAA to ORW and just about stopped between each one.  I
> can see why it would be more frustrating with Young Man Blues.
>
> > A bit surprised at the lack of banter or even conversation with the
crowd.
> > Again, no biggie.
>
> That was the thing that bothered me the most.  The show *did* feel hurried
> to me.  Mansfield lasted about the same time as you say MSG did, but it
felt
> a lot quicker than that to me.
>
> > Found it hilarious when Roger's mike went launching like a fucking
> *missile*
> > into the crowd.
>
> Hope it hit a Yankee fan.
>
> > Wish I had gotten to hear Long Live Rock.
>
> Are you going to buy the MSG Encore CD?  Wanna do a swap?
>
> > NY!
> > Really, this was as much, if not more of the motivation.
> > The show was an added bonus.
> > I seem to remember someone saying at one point, "hell, and we still have
a
> > Who Concert to go to tonight!"
>
> Man, I wish I was there for that.
>
> Jim M
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 13:48:07 EDT
> From: Keithjmoon70 at aol.com
> Subject: MSG and New York City
> To: thewho at igtc.com
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>
> Hello friends,
>
> I just got back last night from a wonderful experience.
>
> I'm not going to give a play by play of the show. Others are much better
at
> that than I.
>
> The main impression I received that night was that Pete was just happy to
be
> with his American Who family .-A family that didn't leave him.  NY was the
> right city to come to. He yelled: "I never thought I'd see your faces
again!" and
> my tears came down. Like a baby sissy.
>
> I'm spent. Actually I was spent before the show began.  Scott and I wore
off
> some shoe leather touring that crazy town and Scott is a dude on a
mission.
> At the show we sat together, fists thrust up in the air together as Pete
and
> Roger did what they always do.  We looked at one another at each missed
cue and
> there were quite a few that night.  But Pete didn't seem to care at all.
We
> didn't either.
>
> The only thing I was frustrated with was that we still couldn't hear any
BASS!
>
>
>  What I especially dug about the weekend was all the fan camaraderie.
> Staying with Scott and Kevin and Stu and Mike, Kevin's DC buddies was off
the hook.
> We saw ground zero, met the very hospitable and lovely Leslie who freely
gave
> up her time to give us a tour of lower Manhattan before shooting to where
the
> folks were getting all crunked up for the show.  I'd like to thank and
> compliment Ozzy and Trish from the Relayers list for the great get-down
they put
> together along with whoever else helped them. The Starcke bros. too for
the DVD
> shows. You guys rock. There was this dude there named Jeff Slate that
knows Pete
> and told us some inside stuff about what a great guy Pete is.
>
> We saw street rappers, a dude painted silver like a statue, Alan, people
that
> spoke in many tongues, touched places that George Washington touched,
drank
> in the KGB bar surrounded by light and airy Soviet decor, caught a
Cleveland
> band punk show by the dead boys (who had loud bass), stepped over many
sleeping
> on the street, saw garbage collection @ 3 am, ate pizza @ all hours of the
> night and saw a lot of these real tall buildings. Everywhere.
>
> I too regretting missing Joe. We got to Millie Wee's a bit late and stayed
> until the time got wee.
>
> Stu and I ate breakfast with Jeff and Lela on Sunday morning and talked
about
> family and our kids.  A very relaxing and enjoyable time.
>
>
> I drove out of New York toward home a richer person inside full of hopeful
> thoughts to ponder.
>
> Jon in Mi.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 12:09:39 -0400
> From: Joe Lewinski <lewinski at icanon.com>
> Subject: MSG: Naked Eye
> To: TheWho at igtc.com
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>
> Watching Naked Eye brought several things to mind.
>
> 1. The concert for NYC had Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora performing
> in a similar format.  Both with guitars and both singing.  I forget
> the song.. (Dead or Alive - maybe).   It dawned on me then that
> Pete and Roger could do this without sweating.
>
> 2.  Roger has improved his guitar work.  I dig it.   This is not a
difficult
> song to play, but to sing like Roger AND play too - DOES!   Pete was
visibly
> proud of his student with applause following the performance.
>
> 3.  We got it.   We asked for it and we got it.   It was a special
version.
> It will evolve, but we saw it first in the incubator.
>
> 4.  In this format, it gave me hope that we can keep our chips on
> Roger and Pete for some time to come.   I'll continue to go to their
> shows even if they're sitting on stools.   They could do 15 songs
> acoustically and they would still sound edgy and fresh to me.
>
>
> Joe in Philly
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 16:56:02 -0400
> From: "Neil E. Weissman" <neilweissman at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: MSG
> To: "The Who Mailing List" <thewho at igtc.com>
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>
> Don't mean to be nit-picky here.  But, the show was under two hours.  I
got
> to my seat at 8:55 and they were just starting.  The show ended before
> 11:00.  My comment was also meant to note that their shows are getting
> shorter and the songs are getting shorter, implying to me that they are
> becoming standardized with less improv.  They cut Old Red Wine, Naked Eye,
> Anyway Anyhow Anywhere short, fact.
>
> Within each song, the band was terrific, never denied that.  Just a little
> disappointed at the decreasing show length.
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thewho-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:thewho-bounces at igtc.com]On Behalf
> Of Kevin O'Neal
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: thewho at igtc.com
> Subject: MSG
>
>
> >Neil E. Weissman
> >MSG
> >
> >While a terrific performance, it was short,
> >under 2 hours.
> ><snip>
> >Many of you may not like this, but I feel cheated.  I expect a band to
play
> >at least 2:15 or 2:30.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:40:57 -0400
> From: "Kevin O'Neal" <kevinandt at gmavt.net>
> Subject: MSG
> To: <thewho at igtc.com>
> Message-ID: <000301c441d7$cd2c1990$0200a8c0 at Dell8250>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> >Neil E. Weissman
> >MSG
> >
> >Don't mean to be nit-picky here.
>
> Pick nits?
>
> >But, the show was under two hours.
>
> Na uh.
>
> >They cut Old Red Wine, Naked Eye,
> >Anyway Anyhow Anywhere short, fact.
>
> Fact?
> Don't think so.
> They haven't played Naked Eye since 2000.
> They also added other things.
>
> Look, we're talking a mere few minutes here.
> The time between encores was the most notable thing that was shortened,
and
> that could easily account for 5 minutes alone.
>
> Sorry you felt cheated.
>
> Kevin in VT
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:05:10 -0400
> From: "Frate, Chris (EM, PTL)" <Chris.Frate at penske.com>
> Subject: RE: MSG
> To: "'The Who Mailing List'" <thewho at igtc.com>
> Message-ID:
> <87FC4D6C5FBDD311A6F00008C7E6F4C62C2B1217 at excmsg01ptlge.penske.com>
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>
> Maybe it's to keep Pete's ears from freaking out.(?)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil E. Weissman [mailto:neilweissman at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 4:56 PM
> To: The Who Mailing List
> Subject: RE: MSG
>
>
> Don't mean to be nit-picky here.  But, the show was under two hours.  I
got
> to my seat at 8:55 and they were just starting.  The show ended before
> 11:00.  My comment was also meant to note that their shows are getting
> shorter and the songs are getting shorter, implying to me that they are
> becoming standardized with less improv.  They cut Old Red Wine, Naked Eye,
> Anyway Anyhow Anywhere short, fact.
>
> Within each song, the band was terrific, never denied that.  Just a little
> disappointed at the decreasing show length.
>
> Thanks for your comments.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: thewho-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:thewho-bounces at igtc.com]On Behalf
> Of Kevin O'Neal
> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:09 AM
> To: thewho at igtc.com
> Subject: MSG
>
>
> >Neil E. Weissman
> >MSG
> >
> >While a terrific performance, it was short,
> >under 2 hours.
> ><snip>
> >Many of you may not like this, but I feel cheated.  I expect a band to
play
> >at least 2:15 or 2:30.
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 18:29:05 -0400
> From: "Kevin O'Neal" <kevinandt at gmavt.net>
> Subject: Baba in commercials
> To: <thewho at igtc.com>
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>
> >Paul M. Moriarty
> >Baba in commercials
> >
> >> Wasn't the BOR synth intro used for a Range Rover commercial 10-15
years
> >> back?  They were driving their RRs and playing polo near an oceanside
> cliff.
> >
> >
> >Nissan, but yes.
>
> BOR was used, but I don't think it was the intro. synth part.
> I could be wrong.
> I was too distracted by the blatant dismissal of standard Eco-rules for
> driving off-rode.
>
> Kevin in VT
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 22:34:38 +0000
> From: "Karbon Karbon" <tetrakarbon at hotmail.com>
> Subject: NY Times review of MSG
> To: thewho at igtc.com
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> >Mr. Townshend and Mr. Daltrey could be writing more
> >new songs, but this band has been breaking up, each
> >time theoretically for good, since Moon died in 1978.
> >They could change their sound, or find new stimuli, or
> >be more elegant and stop publicly calling it quits.
> >But having problems with being in a rock band has
> >always been the Who's chemistry. Once they were uncool
> >in a way that worked. Now they're just uncool.
>
> I hate endings like this.  Where did that last sentence come from?  It
> doesn't really seem related to anything else the reviewer has written.
> Other review I have read lately have seemed this way too: while being
fairly
> laudatory, they then suddenly write some seemingly disconnected
conclusion.
>
> I don't mind they call the Who uncool, but are they only reffering to
> publicly breaking up?  I mean, they haven't been breaking up for a while
> now...  That was an 80's phenomenon...
>
> Moreover, there was no _review_.  It's as if the whole concert is
tangental
> to the commentary on the band.  Isn't this supposed to be about the music?
>
> Though, I suppose for years fans have known to trust their ears and not
> critics.  They're the ones who couldn't make it in Rock 'n' Roll after
> all...
>
> -- Ned Ruggeri
>
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