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Fri Jul 23 09:14:16 CDT 2004
>Aren't you questioning the general usage of it below?
I'm questioning why every time someone mentions god, you feel the need to
point out that god is not exclusively Christian. I think we all know that.
>Then how are secular humanists to discuss their spiritual feelings? I
>agree that spiritual isn't just observational. The spiritual capacity is
>something that's wired into the human brian, and it doesn't go away when
>someone intellectually rejects something as supernatural.
>I don't think they have spiritual feelings. I think they have deep,
profound, wonderful feelings that are purely non-spiritual. This is exactly
what I mean by bending word meanings so that no one feels left out. This is
nothing against anyone's thoughts or beliefs. I'm just standing up for the
meaning of a word.
I think we're going to have to agree to differ on this definition. I don't
think spiritual seeking has to be after God in a religious or supernatural
>>I agree. The way we live tends to remove us from nature, and we begin to
>see the world as man-made and to lose touch with our origins, and with
>matters of the spirit.
>That's true, but not what I meant. "Nature" is only spiritual if you
>assign a persona or conciousness to it. I.e., cultures that worship Nature
>and treat it like a deity.
Why does God have to be a conciousness? Again, you're limiting him/her to
>>Hmmm. How did we get into this discussion? Maybe it's necessary to
>>clairfy why it is that I see spirituality in some of Pete's songs that
>>Mark doesn't see at all.
>Or why you couldn't see any in Bargain.
I see spirituality all over "Bargain." My point was that there's no mention
of God in it. So why does Mark see "Bargain" as a spiritual song and
"Eminence Front" as non-spiritual? I feel the same thing from both of them.
>>Is that why we're dicussing definitions? Does Pete have to mention the
>divine or supernatural in order to write a spiritual song? Or does he
only have to arouse spiritual feelings in the listener?
>I'll never argue with anyone about what they feel when they listen to a
song. But, there's plenty of room for debate about what Pete intended.
Pete has helped us interpret "Bargain" because he's said it's about a
bargain with God. To my knowledge, he's never disucssed "Eminence Front" in
the same way. Is this causing a bias in the debate?
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