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Fri Jul 23 08:09:58 CDT 2004
>>I think it's the ideal word, too. I just think it IS ideal because it's a
>>very general word that covers a broad array of feelings not necessarily
>>related to Christianity or even to a Christian type of God.
>Is there someone here that you think doesn't get that?
Aren't you questioning the general usage of it below?
>>How do you think we're bending the word? Is this an unusual use of it?
>Any definition that does not relate to the supernatural and divine or tries
>to include purely observational experiences.
Then how are secular humanists to discuss their spiritual feelings? I agree
that spiritual isn't just observational. The spiritual capacity is
something that's wired into the human brian, and it doesn't go away when
someone intellectually rejects something as supernatural.
>>I'm not trying to sterilize it. I'm just trying to include that first man
>who ever looked up at the stars and said "How wonderful they are! What do
>you suppose makes them turn like that?" It takes us back to a time when
>science, religion, mathematics and philosophy were all the same and there
>was no division between.
>Right, but originally man's only explanations were that *beings* had put
those things there. If anything, we've been getting less spiritual.
I agree. The way we live tends to remove us from nature, and we begin to
see the world as man-made and to lose touch with our origins, and with
matters of the spirit.
>But, is it really important? Whatever word we used, I thought the
>discussion was whether Pete's songs are about *his* god.
Hmmm. How did we get into this discussion? Maybe it's necessary to clairfy
why it is that I see spirituality in some of Pete's songs that Mark doesn't
see at all.
It's possible that we could say Pete is talking about morality when he talks
about a good life or a bad life, and that he's talking about psychological
ajustment in QUAD, but I think these things he's presenting relate to the
Is that why we're dicussing definitions? Does Pete have to mention the
divine or supernatural in order to write a spiritual song? Or does he only
have to arouse spiritual feelings in the listener?
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