All Sorts of Things....
schrade at akrobiz.com
Tue Jul 20 17:42:32 CDT 2004
I've been away so long.....
Well, I'm back from my self-imposed exile. I felt really bad about my last
"discussion" with Jon, so I decided to take a break from you lot. (And give
you lot a well-deserved break from me!)
I've spoken privately with Jon. Thankfully, he's not mad at me. No matter
what some would like to believe (cough!Jo!) I did not drive him from the
list. He's doing well & doing his own thing. I will speak for him no further.
But, I do want to publicly apologize to him, & the entire list, for my over-
the-top tirade. I am sorry. I'm working on trying to control my militant
atheism (in light of all the goddamned militant *spiritualism* on this list!)
Now.....all that being said.....
> > Pete saying "Play some rock'n'roll?
> > What do you think THAT was then? Bleedin' Mantovani??" (which I
> > found the other week, and now I've lost again - I *think* it's on "Who's
> > Last" somewhere).
> It introduces Twist and Shout from that tour, but it's not on that album.
> Is it from the box set?
Simon & Jim:
Wait, that Mantovani (sp?) quote is from the Dayton '71 boot. It comes
after WGFA & before IDEKM. Pete says (after WGFA):
"Pretty good, eh? We like that one. Play some rock & roll?! Whaddya
think that was? Mantovani? Get out of 'ere. Unless you want to come &
......take my place."
> Paradoxically, Howard Stern and Clear Channel (both high-profile
> supporters of the administration) have been heavily fined.
Er....have you listened to Stern lately? He's on a mission to help drive Bush
from office. He's decidedly anti-Bush & blames Bush for much of his
troubles with the FCC.
Re: IOW 1970
It is a great performance but not on the level as Leeds. Mark said Pete
"was on" but I think Pete plays a little sloppy (sloppily?). Moon, too.
I think the ones who were "on" were Daltrey & Entwistle (Entwistle is
almost never "off").
Now, I don't mean to say Pete & Moonie play like shite; they certainly do
not. And part of it is the recording. Leeds is such a kick-ass recording.
IOW sounds a lot thinner. Pete's guitar sounds weaker & Moonie's snare
is a bit......crackly.
But, man, Jim, wait till you see that YMB performance. Wear some old
> No, I said Pete was among the "new romantics" in the `80's,.....
> It was a fashion, with heavy gay overtones.
What?! Spandau Ballet was gay?!
> After all, Pete has said that ALL his songs are about God.
Please don't make me list all of Pete's songs that *aren't* about God.
Imagine how long that list would be!
> The very early songs are mostly not spiritual at all. Then much of Tommy
> and all of Lifehouse are very spiritual. After that, some songs are, some
> aren't. But I do agree that he's still writing *some* spiritual songs, certainly
> more than his pre-Tommy days.
My thoughts exactly. Nice summation. But where does QUAD fit in?
Have we come to a conclusion? Is QUAD spiritual or psychological? Or
both? And if both, which dominates?
Again, I feel we must be careful throwing this term "spiritual" around. Like
I've stated, I have spiritual moments, but I don't believe in deities or any-
thing concerned with the supernatural.
The word spiritual has a lot of religious/supernatural baggage attached to
it. One can "pull" spirituality from almost anything; Pete's songs especially.
I'm not arguing that Pete doesn't imbibe many his songs with an undercurrent
of spirituality in the Godly sense; I think it's obvious that he does.
But to think of *all* his songs as having *some* spiritual/religious aspect
to them is a sort of tunnelvision which in the end reduces his writing
to an almost one-dimensional simplicity, thereby excluding many of the
*other* themes & ideas within his music. And that's just not right. ;-)
- SCHRADE in Akron
John Kerry For President
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