From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  1 00:08:31 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 17:08:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Who all see the leprechaun or Marquis Daniels say yay
In-Reply-To: <162774.50709.qm@web110103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <544156.54669.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>



--- On Mon, 8/31/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Yes Tony Yes Tony Yes Tony
> 
> Chicago gang-banger wannabe Allen is still with the
> Celtics, despite Ainge's fervent efforts to move him out. If
> the Celtics had included
> enough cash to buy him out in a deal, he would be gone, but
> management didn't want the luxury tax hit. 

Actually, the cap hit comes from keeping TA on the roster, *not* in the reluctance to send cash to Indy to facilitate a deal.  The Cs could have included up to 3 million dollars in any deal, money which would have positively offset the 5 million dollar hit TA's contract represents when the luxury tax is factored in (2.5 million dollar salary plus 2.5 million dollar tax for being over the luxury tax threshold).   

Of course, trading TA in any Daniels sign-and-trade would have resulted in more salary coming back, dollars which would have increased the luxury tax hit to some extent.  But the luxury tax hit would have come via Daniels' new salary, not the money paid to facilitate TA's way out of town.

Regardless, the ownership showed a willingness to take a cap hit to sign Daniels outright to the LLE, so I'm really not sure how you can turn around and claim that money was ANY factor in the potential trade of TA falling through.

> 
> Good Egg Good Egg Good Egg
> 
> Rightly so, mentioned the possibility of Ainge offering
> Ray/Rondo around as part of a larger Daniels deal.
> 
> That didn't occur, but I fully expect...
> 
> Ray - Anti-Tony Allen classiness and huge expiring contract
> make him a GM favorite.
> 
> Rondo - Inhabits the Rondoverse and can't shoot, big
> problemos at 10 M.
> 
> Perkins - Snap, crackle and pop shoulder a detriment at
> 8-10 M.
> 
> ....to be all traded, rather than extended. It's just not
> happening with the acquisition of Daniels.
> 
> Ainge's Biggest Weakness Ainge's Biggest Weakness Ainge's
> Biggest Weakness
> 
> This offseason, he has not turned the plethora of expiring
> contracts, yet, into something good. Allen, Allen and
> Scalabrine all need to be moved out for a quality player or
> two. 
> 
> Ray
> 

Have patience, butterfly.  Scal and TA can be turned into something good, but only when the other team's get desperate.  That's not due to happen until January 2010.  

And Rondo/Ray/Perk aren't going anywhere, especially in the next 2 years.  In fact, I expect Rondo to be signed to an extension by Oct. 30th.

Ryan


      


From jozersky at optonline.net  Tue Sep  1 00:22:24 2009
From: jozersky at optonline.net (jozersky at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2009 00:22:24 +0000
Subject: Who all see the leprechaun or Marquis Daniels say yay
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Bullshit
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:52:05 
To: Celtics Stuff<celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>; Celtics Are Idiots List<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: Who all see the leprechaun or Marquis Daniels say yay


You better watch out, you better not cry
Better not pout, I'm telling you why
Marquis Daniels is coming to town...

No Iverson No Iverson No Iverson

With the BAE about to be bequeathed upon Daniels, the slim hope
that Iverson would play for the Celtics is gone, much to the relief 
of many a Celtics fan. ))))

Yes Tony Yes Tony Yes Tony

Chicago gang-banger wannabe Allen is still with the Celtics, despite Ainge's fervent efforts to move him out. If the Celtics had included
enough cash to buy him out in a deal, he would be gone, but management didn't want the luxury tax hit. 

Good Egg Good Egg Good Egg

Rightly so, mentioned the possibility of Ainge offering Ray/Rondo around as part of a larger Daniels deal.

That didn't occur, but I fully expect...

Ray - Anti-Tony Allen classiness and huge expiring contract make him a GM favorite.

Rondo - Inhabits the Rondoverse and can't shoot, big problemos at 10 M.

Perkins - Snap, crackle and pop shoulder a detriment at 8-10 M.

.....to be all traded, rather than extended. It's just not happening with the acquisition of Daniels.

Ainge's Biggest Weakness Ainge's Biggest Weakness Ainge's Biggest Weakness

This offseason, he has not turned the plethora of expiring contracts, yet, into something good. Allen, Allen and Scalabrine all need to be moved out for a quality player or two. 

Ray


      

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From bradybonz at cox.net  Tue Sep  1 00:49:22 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 20:49:22 -0400
Subject: Who all see the leprechaun or Marquis Daniels say yay
In-Reply-To: <162774.50709.qm@web110103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090831204922.8GSHX.167303.imail@eastrmwml34>

Sorry to enlighten you , Ray, but the other Ray (Allen) is still a quality player and not needed to move out just yet.  Hold your horsese.  The C's, if healthy, and indications appear that they are,  are still the Beasts of the East, if not the entire NBA, much to the dissapoint of you and your sidekicks..
---- Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> You better watch out, you better not cry
> Better not pout, I'm telling you why
> Marquis Daniels is coming to town...
> 
> No Iverson No Iverson No Iverson
> 
> With the BAE about to be bequeathed upon Daniels, the slim hope
> that Iverson would play for the Celtics is gone, much to the relief 
> of many a Celtics fan. ))))
> 
> Yes Tony Yes Tony Yes Tony
> 
> Chicago gang-banger wannabe Allen is still with the Celtics, despite Ainge's fervent efforts to move him out. If the Celtics had included
> enough cash to buy him out in a deal, he would be gone, but management didn't want the luxury tax hit. 
> 
> Good Egg Good Egg Good Egg
> 
> Rightly so, mentioned the possibility of Ainge offering Ray/Rondo around as part of a larger Daniels deal.
> 
> That didn't occur, but I fully expect...
> 
> Ray - Anti-Tony Allen classiness and huge expiring contract make him a GM favorite.
> 
> Rondo - Inhabits the Rondoverse and can't shoot, big problemos at 10 M.
> 
> Perkins - Snap, crackle and pop shoulder a detriment at 8-10 M.
> 
> ....to be all traded, rather than extended. It's just not happening with the acquisition of Daniels.
> 
> Ainge's Biggest Weakness Ainge's Biggest Weakness Ainge's Biggest Weakness
> 
> This offseason, he has not turned the plethora of expiring contracts, yet, into something good. Allen, Allen and Scalabrine all need to be moved out for a quality player or two. 
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
>       
> 
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 13:23:47 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 09:23:47 -0400
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
Message-ID: <2825238F.3682.444A.BFC3.D40B4DE10E1D@aol.com>

After spending over a month attempting to trade his prized set of 
1980?Topps basketball cards along with Tony Allen, Danny has come 
up short?in a S&T for future hall-of-famer, journeyman Marquis Daniels.
That means we still have TA on our payroll and come next year,
cannot utilize our every-other-year small exception. Bummer.
Danny's biggest regrets - House executing his player optionfor $2.9 mill, not being able to trade TA, and not being able to
trade for Chris Paul.

Danny attempted to execute the impossible dream - a one-on-one
S&T with Indiana - Daniels for Tony Allen.? He also attempted to?
execute a three-team trade for Daniels,?still no takers for?
Tony Allen.? He attempted to execute a much larger three-team?
deal even offering Ray Allen and Rondo for Daniels and other?
superior players.? All attempts failed.? So welcome Marquis,?
the all-purpose sub for Rondo, Pierce, and R. Allen.? Maybe Daniels?
can even fill in at center in one of Doc's tricky ?small lineups.?

We now have 14 signed players for this coming season.? And that?
leaves Danny to consider staying with 14 for now or not being
able to resist adding his latest coup, #58 draft pick in the weakest?
draft of the past ten years, Lester Hudson.??

Remember Brain Doc Jonathan Niednagel?? A year or so ago, 
management?suggested for PR reasons (Celt fan approval of
Niegy 38%; fan disapproval 62%)?that Niedy's name not be 
featured or even mentioned anymore.?

Well apparently the Brain Doc is still advising Danny.??He feels the 
6 ft. tall?Lester Hudson,? who in the Ohio Valley Conference Division 
didn't exactly?play against topnotch college competition, has a superior 
brain type?based upon his voice inflection, eye contact, body 
movement, walk,?taste in music, hand gestures, and love of Egg. ?

Most reassuring. ?

Egg

From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Wed Sep  2 13:46:52 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 09:46:52 -0400
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <2825238F.3682.444A.BFC3.D40B4DE10E1D@aol.com>
References: <2825238F.3682.444A.BFC3.D40B4DE10E1D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200909021346.n82Dku5f019191@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>

Well apparently the Brain Doc is still advising Danny.  He feels the
6 ft. tall Lester Hudson,  who in the Ohio Valley Conference Division didn't exactly play against topnotch college competition, has a superior brain type based upon his voice inflection, eye contact, body movement, walk, taste in music, hand gestures, and love of Egg. - Egg 


Could that mean....gasp...that...I have a superior brain type cuz I have ALL those things too!!! Well, except the walk, taste in music, hand gestures and love of eggs. I'll sometimes have those "egglands best" egg subsitutes things, but only with a lot of salsa.


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:24 AM
To: Celtics at igtc.com
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill

After spending over a month attempting to trade his prized set of 
1980?Topps basketball cards along with Tony Allen, Danny has come 
up short?in a S&T for future hall-of-famer, journeyman Marquis Daniels.
That means we still have TA on our payroll and come next year,
cannot utilize our every-other-year small exception. Bummer.
Danny's biggest regrets - House executing his player optionfor $2.9 mill, not being able to trade TA, and not being able to
trade for Chris Paul.

Danny attempted to execute the impossible dream - a one-on-one
S&T with Indiana - Daniels for Tony Allen.? He also attempted to?
execute a three-team trade for Daniels,?still no takers for?
Tony Allen.? He attempted to execute a much larger three-team?
deal even offering Ray Allen and Rondo for Daniels and other?
superior players.? All attempts failed.? So welcome Marquis,?
the all-purpose sub for Rondo, Pierce, and R. Allen.? Maybe Daniels?
can even fill in at center in one of Doc's tricky "small lineups."

We now have 14 signed players for this coming season.? And that?
leaves Danny to consider staying with 14 for now or not being
able to resist adding his latest coup, #58 draft pick in the weakest?
draft of the past ten years, Lester Hudson.??

Remember Brain Doc Jonathan Niednagel?? A year or so ago, 
management?suggested for PR reasons (Celt fan approval of
Niegy 38%; fan disapproval 62%)?that Niedy's name not be 
featured or even mentioned anymore.?

Well apparently the Brain Doc is still advising Danny.??He feels the 
6 ft. tall?Lester Hudson,? who in the Ohio Valley Conference Division 
didn't exactly?play against topnotch college competition, has a superior 
brain type?based upon his voice inflection, eye contact, body 
movement, walk,?taste in music, hand gestures, and love of Egg. ?

Most reassuring. ?

Egg
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From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Wed Sep  2 14:01:41 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:01:41 -0400
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <2825238F.3682.444A.BFC3.D40B4DE10E1D@aol.com>
References: <2825238F.3682.444A.BFC3.D40B4DE10E1D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200909021401.n82E1gcL006658@apollo.afrc.af.mil>

After my obligatory wise-A$$ comment, some actual response. I'm okay with signing Hudson under the following conditions, which unless I'm mistaken, are allowed given his second round pick status.

1. Non-guaranteed contract. He might not sign it, which is fine, but it allows the Cs some flexibility for mid-year course corrections by not encumbering the roster spot with guaranteed money.

2. NBDL clause - this is where he'd be sent to be looked at against higher than college level players - total PG immersion - can he be a third option that a) doesn't pound the ball into the floor b) can get the ball to people competently, not spectacularly in a half court set and c) dribble against pressure so the shot clock isn't at 9 by the time the offense gets into its set in the half court.

These type guys are exactly what the NBDL is for. I continue to think that there should be a roster expansion clause of 2-3 slots per team - especially for NBDL and second round/late first round (say after pick 25 or so), which cannot be used to stash injured guaranteed money guys, and have team friendly contracts that allow them the flexibility to try and develop talent without the penalties of the more strict CBA. I'm sure other aspects could be included to address labor issues, but just the roster expansion itself would be a boon to those fringe guys and open the NBDL concept to greater use.

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric
Sent: Wednesday, September 02, 2009 9:24 AM
To: Celtics at igtc.com
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill

After spending over a month attempting to trade his prized set of 
1980?Topps basketball cards along with Tony Allen, Danny has come 
up short?in a S&T for future hall-of-famer, journeyman Marquis Daniels.
That means we still have TA on our payroll and come next year,
cannot utilize our every-other-year small exception. Bummer.
Danny's biggest regrets - House executing his player optionfor $2.9 mill, not being able to trade TA, and not being able to
trade for Chris Paul.

Danny attempted to execute the impossible dream - a one-on-one
S&T with Indiana - Daniels for Tony Allen.? He also attempted to?
execute a three-team trade for Daniels,?still no takers for?
Tony Allen.? He attempted to execute a much larger three-team?
deal even offering Ray Allen and Rondo for Daniels and other?
superior players.? All attempts failed.? So welcome Marquis,?
the all-purpose sub for Rondo, Pierce, and R. Allen.? Maybe Daniels?
can even fill in at center in one of Doc's tricky "small lineups."

We now have 14 signed players for this coming season.? And that?
leaves Danny to consider staying with 14 for now or not being
able to resist adding his latest coup, #58 draft pick in the weakest?
draft of the past ten years, Lester Hudson.??

Remember Brain Doc Jonathan Niednagel?? A year or so ago, 
management?suggested for PR reasons (Celt fan approval of
Niegy 38%; fan disapproval 62%)?that Niedy's name not be 
featured or even mentioned anymore.?

Well apparently the Brain Doc is still advising Danny.??He feels the 
6 ft. tall?Lester Hudson,? who in the Ohio Valley Conference Division 
didn't exactly?play against topnotch college competition, has a superior 
brain type?based upon his voice inflection, eye contact, body 
movement, walk,?taste in music, hand gestures, and love of Egg. ?

Most reassuring. ?

Egg
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 14:47:24 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 07:47:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <2825238F.3682.444A.BFC3.D40B4DE10E1D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <912466.61180.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

> From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
> To: Celtics at IGTC.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:23 AM
> After spending over a month
> attempting to trade his prized set of 
> 1980?Topps basketball cards along with Tony Allen, Danny
> has come 
> up short?in a S&T for future hall-of-famer, journeyman
> Marquis Daniels.
> That means we still have TA on our payroll and come next
> year,
> cannot utilize our every-other-year small exception.
> Bummer.
> Danny's biggest regrets - House executing his player
> optionfor $2.9 mill, not being able to trade TA, and not
> being able to
> trade for Chris Paul.

What exactly is your complaint?  That Danny couldn't get everything that he wanted?  Oh my God, isn't that a condition of life?  

To quote the Rolling Stones, "you can't always get what you want/but if you try sometime/you just might find/you get what you need."  I think we got what we need.  Ah yeah.

Ryan



      


From bradybonz at cox.net  Wed Sep  2 15:01:32 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:01:32 -0400
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <912466.61180.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090902110132.99H76.18978.imail@eastrmwml44>

Not only did we get what we wanted, we had the best off season of any team.  We should be odds on favorites to win it all and Danny should be the front runner for GM of the year-again.  No need trying to change a leopards spots. Some people just love negativity.
---- Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> --- On Wed, 9/2/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> > Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
> > To: Celtics at IGTC.com
> > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 8:23 AM
> > After spending over a month
> > attempting to trade his prized set of 
> > 1980?Topps basketball cards along with Tony Allen, Danny
> > has come 
> > up short?in a S&T for future hall-of-famer, journeyman
> > Marquis Daniels.
> > That means we still have TA on our payroll and come next
> > year,
> > cannot utilize our every-other-year small exception.
> > Bummer.
> > Danny's biggest regrets - House executing his player
> > optionfor $2.9 mill, not being able to trade TA, and not
> > being able to
> > trade for Chris Paul.
> 
> What exactly is your complaint?  That Danny couldn't get everything that he wanted?  Oh my God, isn't that a condition of life?  
> 
> To quote the Rolling Stones, "you can't always get what you want/but if you try sometime/you just might find/you get what you need."  I think we got what we need.  Ah yeah.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 15:09:53 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:09:53 -0400
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <200909021346.n82Dku5f019191@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <DA4C7BEA.C082.4C49.B772.FE51C67F799B@aol.com>

On Sep 2, 2009, at 9:46:52 AM, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote:
I'll sometimes have those "egglands best" egg subsitutes things, but
only with a lot of salsa.
--------------
Well, Pat, " just ?butter my butt and call me a biscuit. "?

Those EG eggs are a rip off, just as Ma Barker's Better Natural Butter ($4.95 per pound) 
is to?store brand butter at twice the price. ?Eggs are eggs - butter is butter. ?And 
unfortunately, Daniels is Daniels. ?That the tatooed one is now considered the 2nd
best?sub on our team speaks for itself to the quality of our bench. ??

Egg

From eggcentric at aol.com  Wed Sep  2 15:29:12 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:29:12 -0400
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <20090902110132.99H76.18978.imail@eastrmwml44>
Message-ID: <2302CFD9.60F5.43B3.99E3.FF4A7234BE77@aol.com>


On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:01:32 AM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:

Not only did we get what we wanted, we had the best off season of any team.
We should be odds on favorites to win it all and Danny should be the front
runner for GM of the year-again. No need trying to change a leopards spots.
Some people just love negativity.
-------------------

DavidP (aka MartinD/ Bradybonz). -

Some of us, few of us, like maybe 5% of us here, are willing to submit original/controversial ?
posts.??The other 95% (such as you) simply feed off the 5% posts, mouthing opinions
which are mostly?defensive/insulting, and add nothing.

Submit one original post/thought and I might ?begin to respect your opinions and contributions
to this list.?

Egg

From alex.goldblatt at gmail.com  Wed Sep  2 15:53:00 2009
From: alex.goldblatt at gmail.com (Alex Goldblatt)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 11:53:00 -0400
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <2302CFD9.60F5.43B3.99E3.FF4A7234BE77@aol.com>
References: <20090902110132.99H76.18978.imail@eastrmwml44>
	<2302CFD9.60F5.43B3.99E3.FF4A7234BE77@aol.com>
Message-ID: <3f0c87180909020853q7a4647a9v72f7250222096ce0@mail.gmail.com>

I would not put too much hope into Hudson making the team. Typical approach
to any season by Danny-The-Trader was to keep 1 spot open at least till the
dead line just in case of losing any players and necessity to close
potential hole.

Multiple factors being severely overlooked (Egg included), biggest one -
increased value of the expiring contracts by the mid-season. IMO, Danny will
have another good shot at signing/trading. Right now we have a solid
balanced rotation, both starting and backup units. Signing Lester will not
improve anything, just a waste of flexibility we might need.

Btw, obviously I have a "wrong" brain type - and feel really good about
it... :)

AG

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:29 AM, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

>
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:01:32 AM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:
>
> Not only did we get what we wanted, we had the best off season of any team.
> We should be odds on favorites to win it all and Danny should be the front
> runner for GM of the year-again. No need trying to change a leopards spots.
> Some people just love negativity.
> -------------------
>
> DavidP (aka MartinD/ Bradybonz). -
>
> Some of us, few of us, like maybe 5% of us here, are willing to submit
> original/controversial
> posts.  The other 95% (such as you) simply feed off the 5% posts, mouthing
> opinions
> which are mostly defensive/insulting, and add nothing.
>
> Submit one original post/thought and I might  begin to respect your
> opinions and contributions
> to this list.
>
> Egg
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Wed Sep  2 16:22:51 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:22:51 -0400
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <2302CFD9.60F5.43B3.99E3.FF4A7234BE77@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090902122251.DTFMG.20543.imail@eastrmwml44>

I don't particularly care what you think, Profblidiot/Eggcentric.  I can respond to whatever post is on this board, unless I'm thrown off for violating board policy. Infortunately for you, this is the case, so I'll write whatever I damn well please. 
---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> 
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:01:32 AM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:
> 
> Not only did we get what we wanted, we had the best off season of any team.
> We should be odds on favorites to win it all and Danny should be the front
> runner for GM of the year-again. No need trying to change a leopards spots.
> Some people just love negativity.
> -------------------
> 
> DavidP (aka MartinD/ Bradybonz). -
> 
> Some of us, few of us, like maybe 5% of us here, are willing to submit original/controversial ?
> posts.??The other 95% (such as you) simply feed off the 5% posts, mouthing opinions
> which are mostly?defensive/insulting, and add nothing.
> 
> Submit one original post/thought and I might ?begin to respect your opinions and contributions
> to this list.?
> 
> Egg
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Wed Sep  2 16:25:31 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:25:31 -0400
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <3f0c87180909020853q7a4647a9v72f7250222096ce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090902122531.3725Y.20599.imail@eastrmwml44>

Absolutely.  As some teams feel more of the ecconomic squeeze, those expiring contracts will look awfully good, even if it's Scals, Tony Allen's or Ray Allen's.  He (Danny) is in the drivers seat, heading towards # 18.  
---- Alex Goldblatt <alex.goldblatt at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I would not put too much hope into Hudson making the team. Typical approach
> to any season by Danny-The-Trader was to keep 1 spot open at least till the
> dead line just in case of losing any players and necessity to close
> potential hole.
> 
> Multiple factors being severely overlooked (Egg included), biggest one -
> increased value of the expiring contracts by the mid-season. IMO, Danny will
> have another good shot at signing/trading. Right now we have a solid
> balanced rotation, both starting and backup units. Signing Lester will not
> improve anything, just a waste of flexibility we might need.
> 
> Btw, obviously I have a "wrong" brain type - and feel really good about
> it... :)
> 
> AG
> 
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:29 AM, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:01:32 AM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:
> >
> > Not only did we get what we wanted, we had the best off season of any team.
> > We should be odds on favorites to win it all and Danny should be the front
> > runner for GM of the year-again. No need trying to change a leopards spots.
> > Some people just love negativity.
> > -------------------
> >
> > DavidP (aka MartinD/ Bradybonz). -
> >
> > Some of us, few of us, like maybe 5% of us here, are willing to submit
> > original/controversial
> > posts.  The other 95% (such as you) simply feed off the 5% posts, mouthing
> > opinions
> > which are mostly defensive/insulting, and add nothing.
> >
> > Submit one original post/thought and I might  begin to respect your
> > opinions and contributions
> > to this list.
> >
> > Egg
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From gk_tyler at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 17:25:47 2009
From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:25:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: it could happen
Message-ID: <771358.96041.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Sometime in mid-December, when Daniels sprains an ankle and Ray is in a slump, Doc will turn to our third-string guard and he will respond with a series of stellar performances that increase his playing time from 4 minutes a game to 17 minutes a game, resulting in a brain trust melt down over whether that means we can trade him or that we must keep him for just such an emergency come playoff time because the bottom line is winning it all or is it cleansing the lineup of those who are being cast aside as quickly as possible and carry just a little too much salary for the good of the organization and who embarrass us with each trip to Chicago and those factors outshine the fact that this is still a quality NBA talent who just might be a difference maker if he commits more effectively to team defense and his name is Tony.? Cheers, Gene (just because I may acquiesce to the need to trade him doesn't mean I don't like to watch him play)


      

From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 17:35:41 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 10:35:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: it could happen
In-Reply-To: <771358.96041.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <488383.29459.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Exactly, Gene.  Just like Scal was, TA is one opportunity away from entirely changing the perception of his worth to this team.  In terms of potential long term injury replacement (should Ray/Paul go down with a season ending injury, God forbid), TA has high value to this team.  

Right now, there's no role for him.  But that can easily change once we get into the season.

Ryan

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com>
> Subject: it could happen
> To: "celtics" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 12:25 PM
> Sometime in mid-December, when
> Daniels sprains an ankle and Ray is in a slump, Doc will
> turn to our third-string guard and he will respond with a
> series of stellar performances that increase his playing
> time from 4 minutes a game to 17 minutes a game, resulting
> in a brain trust melt down over whether that means we can
> trade him or that we must keep him for just such an
> emergency come playoff time because the bottom line is
> winning it all or is it cleansing the lineup of those who
> are being cast aside as quickly as possible and carry just a
> little too much salary for the good of the organization and
> who embarrass us with each trip to Chicago and those factors
> outshine the fact that this is still a quality NBA talent
> who just might be a difference maker if he commits more
> effectively to team defense and his name is Tony.? Cheers,
> Gene (just because I may acquiesce to the need to trade him
> doesn't mean I don't like to watch him play)
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Wed Sep  2 18:27:09 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 14:27:09 -0400
Subject: it could happen
In-Reply-To: <488383.29459.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090902142709.00HQU.23605.imail@eastrmwml33>

But doesn't that also say that our bench isn't as shallow as some might think?  Think of last season when both Garnett and Powe were not playing.  Both Scal and Davis stepped up big time, and without front court depth, we were one lousy game away from the championship finals.  Now with a healthy Garnett (unless there is evidence to otherwise) the best 6th man in the game in Rasheed, and the reamaining bench of Davis, House, Scal, Daniels and Allen (the bad one) as well as Williams, I think we have more than sufficient depth to play with any team out there.  And that's with no contribution whatsoever from Walker and Giddens.  Suppose that one or both of them show that they can contribute?
What's a poor coach going to do with all this garbage?
---- Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Exactly, Gene.  Just like Scal was, TA is one opportunity away from entirely changing the perception of his worth to this team.  In terms of potential long term injury replacement (should Ray/Paul go down with a season ending injury, God forbid), TA has high value to this team.  
> 
> Right now, there's no role for him.  But that can easily change once we get into the season.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> --- On Wed, 9/2/09, gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: it could happen
> > To: "celtics" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 12:25 PM
> > Sometime in mid-December, when
> > Daniels sprains an ankle and Ray is in a slump, Doc will
> > turn to our third-string guard and he will respond with a
> > series of stellar performances that increase his playing
> > time from 4 minutes a game to 17 minutes a game, resulting
> > in a brain trust melt down over whether that means we can
> > trade him or that we must keep him for just such an
> > emergency come playoff time because the bottom line is
> > winning it all or is it cleansing the lineup of those who
> > are being cast aside as quickly as possible and carry just a
> > little too much salary for the good of the organization and
> > who embarrass us with each trip to Chicago and those factors
> > outshine the fact that this is still a quality NBA talent
> > who just might be a difference maker if he commits more
> > effectively to team defense and his name is Tony.? Cheers,
> > Gene (just because I may acquiesce to the need to trade him
> > doesn't mean I don't like to watch him play)
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 19:08:18 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 12:08:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: it could happen
In-Reply-To: <20090902142709.00HQU.23605.imail@eastrmwml33>
Message-ID: <470395.25896.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yeah, our bench is dope, no doubt about it--it's probably the best bench we've had during the last 3 seasons.  But I think you accidentally hit the nail on the head at the end of your post--what's a poor coach to do with all this garbage?  I think Doc faces some real rotation challenges in terms of the 2nd unit and it'll be interesting, to say the least, to see what he does with it, since rotation management is by far Doc's greatest weakness as a coach.

To wit:
1.  Who's going to play point on the 2nd unit?  Everybody knows by now that House is best off-the-ball.  We also know that Rondo is due for an uptick in playing time.  But there will be at least 12 minutes a night at backup PG to be accounted for.  

I suspect we'll see Daniels tried at point during preseason and while he's not an ideal point, I think he'll do fine, if only because the overall quality of the 2nd unit has improved so greatly (adversely, that's why House was such a disaster at point last season--on a 2nd unit with young, unproven players, a steady hand at point is necessary to get things going).  I also suspect TA and Giddens will get their chances to play a little point, if only as emergency replacements.  Given the talent on the 2nd team, both could possibly log some minutes at point and do some good things.

2.  Can Doc keep Ray/Paul under 33 minutes per game?  That's the real question.  Doc blew this test last season and Ray/Paul were wasted by the 2nd round of the playoffs.  Doc has more to play with on the 2nd team this season, but he'll still need to actively monitor their minutes.  He's been able to do it with KG, but Ray and Paul haven't been so lucky.  This is the season that he might be able to finally do it.  And while Daniels is on tap to play big minutes, if Doc really wants to limit Ray/Paul's minutes, he's also going to need to deftly sprinkle in TA/Walker/Giddens when needed.  Daniels won't be able to keep Ray/Paul under 33 minutes per game all by himself.  

3.  The big man rotation is also a concern.  Lots of people assume Wallace will get most, if not all, the remaining 4/5 minutes behind KG and Perk.  Not only do I think that's incorrect, I also think it's unwise.  Wallace is 35 and it makes sense to limit his minutes in the same way you limit the other 30 year old players on this team.  Personally, I'd try to keep Wallace at 20 minutes a night, with an eye towards especially limiting his minutes at the beginning of the season.  Baby, on the other hand, will need a certain amount of minutes, not only to keep him happy, motivated, and mentally engaged, but also because it'll keep him in shape.  

Since nothing should be given without merit, I'd give Baby the opportunity to get as many minutes as he deserves at the beginning of the season, with KG and Wallace possibly playing less than they're accustomed to during the first 3 months of the season...  I assume KG will be fine in his recovery, but I'd also be extremely careful with him until after the All-Star break, if only because we have such good depth behind him.  Not only can we afford to take it easy with him, it behooves us to develop Baby and possibly Williams in the beginning of the season should we once again have to rely on backups come playoff time.  

Only a month away from training camp.  I'm pumped.

Ryan

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:

> From: bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: it could happen
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Cc: "Ryan W" <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:27 PM
> But doesn't that also say that our
> bench isn't as shallow as some might think?? Think of
> last season when both Garnett and Powe were not
> playing.? Both Scal and Davis stepped up big time, and
> without front court depth, we were one lousy game away from
> the championship finals.? Now with a healthy Garnett
> (unless there is evidence to otherwise) the best 6th man in
> the game in Rasheed, and the reamaining bench of Davis,
> House, Scal, Daniels and Allen (the bad one) as well as
> Williams, I think we have more than sufficient depth to play
> with any team out there.? And that's with no
> contribution whatsoever from Walker and Giddens.?
> Suppose that one or both of them show that they can
> contribute?
> What's a poor coach going to do with all this garbage?



      


From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 20:13:37 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:13:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <2825238F.3682.444A.BFC3.D40B4DE10E1D@aol.com>
Message-ID: <992652.11125.qm@web63104.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

>After spending over a month attempting to trade his prized set of 
>1980?Topps basketball cards along with Tony Allen

You crack me up, Egg!? Thanks for the laughs, though I think you're wrong on Lester Hudson.

Ellie

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:




      

From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 20:17:13 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:17:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Fourteen players - $84 mill
In-Reply-To: <3f0c87180909020853q7a4647a9v72f7250222096ce0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <482983.38101.qm@web63102.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Hudson will make the team - we need the extra PG!?? Or maybe he will play for Dee Brown (along with Kedrick Brown - no kidding) as insurance against injury to Rondo, House, or Daniels (our current 3rd PG). The kid is good!

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Alex Goldblatt <alex.goldblatt at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Alex Goldblatt <alex.goldblatt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fourteen players - $84 mill
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 11:53 AM

I would not put too much hope into Hudson making the team. Typical approach
to any season by Danny-The-Trader was to keep 1 spot open at least till the
dead line just in case of losing any players and necessity to close
potential hole.

Multiple factors being severely overlooked (Egg included), biggest one -
increased value of the expiring contracts by the mid-season. IMO, Danny will
have another good shot at signing/trading. Right now we have a solid
balanced rotation, both starting and backup units. Signing Lester will not
improve anything, just a waste of flexibility we might need.

Btw, obviously I have a "wrong" brain type - and feel really good about
it... :)

AG

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 11:29 AM, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

>
> On Sep 2, 2009, at 11:01:32 AM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:
>
> Not only did we get what we wanted, we had the best off season of any team.
> We should be odds on favorites to win it all and Danny should be the front
> runner for GM of the year-again. No need trying to change a leopards spots.
> Some people just love negativity.
> -------------------
>
> DavidP (aka MartinD/ Bradybonz). -
>
> Some of us, few of us, like maybe 5% of us here, are willing to submit
> original/controversial
> posts.? The other 95% (such as you) simply feed off the 5% posts, mouthing
> opinions
> which are mostly defensive/insulting, and add nothing.
>
> Submit one original post/thought and I might? begin to respect your
> opinions and contributions
> to this list.
>
> Egg
>? _______________________________________________
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From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 20:22:43 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:22:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: it could happen
Message-ID: <425048.67749.qm@web110103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Ryan, this is a really good post. While I'm very skeptical about Tony as a PG, I could imagine him being used for spot duty in emergencies; which, frankly, is all we'd probably be doing with Lue/Marbury/Vaughn. The 9-man roster is essentially set, so the "veteran PG" I and others have been clamoring for is really just a luxury. I still think they're going to want a veteran come playoff time, but as Alex pointed out, there will be opportunities to trade for that guy later if need be.

I also like Ryan's idea about shuttling Walker and Williams, as well as Scal, in and out of the rotation throughout the year in the interest of keeping our horses fresh. 


.....................

To wit:
1.  Who's going to play point on the 2nd unit?  Everybody knows by now that House is best off-the-ball.  We also know that Rondo is due for an uptick in playing time.  But there will be at least 12 minutes a night at backup PG to be accounted for.  

I suspect we'll see Daniels tried at point during preseason and while he's not an ideal point, I think he'll do fine, if only because the overall quality of the 2nd unit has improved so greatly (adversely, that's why House was such a disaster at point last season--on a 2nd unit with young, unproven players, a steady hand at point is necessary to get things going).  I also suspect TA and Giddens will get their chances to play a little point, if only as emergency replacements.  Given the talent on the 2nd team, both could possibly log some minutes at point and do some good things.

2.  Can Doc keep Ray/Paul under 33 minutes per game?  That's the real question.  Doc blew this test last season and Ray/Paul were wasted by the 2nd round of the playoffs.  Doc has more to play with on the 2nd team this season, but he'll still need to actively monitor their minutes.  He's been able to do it with KG, but Ray and Paul haven't been so lucky.  This is the season that he might be able to finally do it.  And while Daniels is on tap to play big minutes, if Doc really wants to limit Ray/Paul's minutes, he's also going to need to deftly sprinkle in TA/Walker/Giddens when needed.  Daniels won't be able to keep Ray/Paul under 33 minutes per game all by himself.  

3.  The big man rotation is also a concern.  Lots of people assume Wallace will get most, if not all, the remaining 4/5 minutes behind KG and Perk.  Not only do I think that's incorrect, I also think it's unwise.  Wallace is 35 and it makes sense to limit his minutes in the same way you limit the other 30 year old players on this team.  Personally, I'd try to keep Wallace at 20 minutes a night, with an eye towards especially limiting his minutes at the beginning of the season.  Baby, on the other hand, will need a certain amount of minutes, not only to keep him happy, motivated, and mentally engaged, but also because it'll keep him in shape.  

Since nothing should be given without merit, I'd give Baby the opportunity to get as many minutes as he deserves at the beginning of the season, with KG and Wallace possibly playing less than they're accustomed to during the first 3 months of the season...  I assume KG will be fine in his recovery, but I'd also be extremely careful with him until after the All-Star break, if only because we have such good depth behind him.  Not only can we afford to take it easy with him, it behooves us to develop Baby and possibly Williams in the beginning of the season should we once again have to rely on backups come playoff time.  

Only a month away from training camp.  I'm pumped.



      


From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  2 20:28:01 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 13:28:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: it could happen
In-Reply-To: <488383.29459.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <643847.96041.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Sorry, Tony Allen will always give us too many bone-headed plays.? He's not steady enough to stay on the floor very long at a net plus to the team.? I really would rather see what Daniels can do (he can't be worse at the point than Allen).? 

I think our depth is AWESOME
with a frontcourt bench of Rasheed Wallace, Big Baby, Scal, and Shelden Williams.? And minus Mikki Moore!!? Daniels and Bill Walker backup 3, 
House, Giddens, and Hudson in the backcourt.? (and TAllen.) There is room to *finally* keep the starters' minutes to 30 or less. If Doc does that, we are taking home the title, period.?? If he screws up and burns out Ray Allen, now that's a problem.? Wallace can cover for KG or Perk, if his shoulder acts up.

just my rosy .02

Ellie

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: it could happen
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:35 PM

Exactly, Gene.? Just like Scal was, TA is one opportunity away from entirely changing the perception of his worth to this team.? In terms of potential long term injury replacement (should Ray/Paul go down with a season ending injury, God forbid), TA has high value to this team.? 

Right now, there's no role for him.? But that can easily change once we get into the season.

Ryan

--- On Wed, 9/2/09, gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com>
> Subject: it could happen
> To: "celtics" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 12:25 PM
> Sometime in mid-December, when
> Daniels sprains an ankle and Ray is in a slump, Doc will
> turn to our third-string guard and he will respond with a
> series of stellar performances that increase his playing
> time from 4 minutes a game to 17 minutes a game, resulting
> in a brain trust melt down over whether that means we can
> trade him or that we must keep him for just such an
> emergency come playoff time because the bottom line is
> winning it all or is it cleansing the lineup of those who
> are being cast aside as quickly as possible and carry just a
> little too much salary for the good of the organization and
> who embarrass us with each trip to Chicago and those factors
> outshine the fact that this is still a quality NBA talent
> who just might be a difference maker if he commits more
> effectively to team defense and his name is Tony.? Cheers,
> Gene (just because I may acquiesce to the need to trade him
> doesn't mean I don't like to watch him play)
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> _______________________________________________
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From jahillsr at comcast.net  Thu Sep  3 01:55:16 2009
From: jahillsr at comcast.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 21:55:16 -0400
Subject: Daniels Had More Lucrative Offers
Message-ID: <000001ca2c39$959d1c20$c0d75460$@net>

Assuming the story below is accurate:  Can you imagine a young NBA player
turning down more money elsewhere, to play for the C's, and the chance to
contribute to a Championship level team?  I like the attitude of a player
choosing a chance to win.  This bodes well for team play.   <Jim

 

Marquis Daniels opted to take less money to sign with the Celtics.

His agent, Glenn Schwartzman, told the Boston Globe that his client is
focused on contending for a championship.

"It's his best chance to win a championship," Schwartzman said. "He played
in the Finals in Dallas and he wants to have a chance to play for another
one. He has a chance to play important minutes in a number of different
areas for a team that has a chance to win the championship."

The Celtics and Pacers attempted to work out a sign-and-trade that would
have netted Daniels more money, and he drew interest from the Bobcats,
Mavericks, Rockets, Knicks and Magic on the open market.

"He was definitely offered more money, even without the sign-and-trade, with
other teams," Schwartzman added. "But he felt strongly about Boston and the
opportunity there. There were a couple other good situations, but Danny and
Coach Rivers were most sincerely interested in him."

 


From alex.goldblatt at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 01:56:43 2009
From: alex.goldblatt at gmail.com (Alex Goldblatt)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 21:56:43 -0400
Subject: it could happen
In-Reply-To: <643847.96041.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <488383.29459.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<643847.96041.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3f0c87180909021856g1942a07fh21e3bb2a41d0aef@mail.gmail.com>

I loved Tommy's definition for TA as a "dribble-and-a-half" player. Anything
else - beyond his reach, he starts thinking too much. Which is (obviously)
not too healthy for him. He's a finisher - and only around the rim, his j
sux big time.

AG

On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sorry, Tony Allen will always give us too many bone-headed plays.  He's not
> steady enough to stay on the floor very long at a net plus to the team.  I
> really would rather see what Daniels can do (he can't be worse at the point
> than Allen).
>
> I think our depth is AWESOME
> with a frontcourt bench of Rasheed Wallace, Big Baby, Scal, and Shelden
> Williams.  And minus Mikki Moore!!  Daniels and Bill Walker backup 3,
> House, Giddens, and Hudson in the backcourt.  (and TAllen.) There is room
> to *finally* keep the starters' minutes to 30 or less. If Doc does that, we
> are taking home the title, period.   If he screws up and burns out Ray
> Allen, now that's a problem.  Wallace can cover for KG or Perk, if his
> shoulder acts up.
>
> just my rosy .02
>
> Ellie
>
> --- On Wed, 9/2/09, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: it could happen
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 1:35 PM
>
> Exactly, Gene.  Just like Scal was, TA is one opportunity away from
> entirely changing the perception of his worth to this team.  In terms of
> potential long term injury replacement (should Ray/Paul go down with a
> season ending injury, God forbid), TA has high value to this team.
>
> Right now, there's no role for him.  But that can easily change once we get
> into the season.
>
> Ryan
>
> --- On Wed, 9/2/09, gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: gene kirkpatrick <gk_tyler at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: it could happen
> > To: "celtics" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, September 2, 2009, 12:25 PM
> > Sometime in mid-December, when
> > Daniels sprains an ankle and Ray is in a slump, Doc will
> > turn to our third-string guard and he will respond with a
> > series of stellar performances that increase his playing
> > time from 4 minutes a game to 17 minutes a game, resulting
> > in a brain trust melt down over whether that means we can
> > trade him or that we must keep him for just such an
> > emergency come playoff time because the bottom line is
> > winning it all or is it cleansing the lineup of those who
> > are being cast aside as quickly as possible and carry just a
> > little too much salary for the good of the organization and
> > who embarrass us with each trip to Chicago and those factors
> > outshine the fact that this is still a quality NBA talent
> > who just might be a difference maker if he commits more
> > effectively to team defense and his name is Tony.  Cheers,
> > Gene (just because I may acquiesce to the need to trade him
> > doesn't mean I don't like to watch him play)
> >
> >
> >
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From capomycap at gmail.com  Thu Sep  3 02:45:38 2009
From: capomycap at gmail.com (George Meyer)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 19:45:38 -0700
Subject: Daniels Had More Lucrative Offers
In-Reply-To: <000001ca2c39$959d1c20$c0d75460$@net>
References: <000001ca2c39$959d1c20$c0d75460$@net>
Message-ID: <253b689a0909021945n419997e8i7c24e56ddf500bcb@mail.gmail.com>

this is just red-faced spin from an agent who failed to get an established
NBA pro anything more than the LLE. It makes Daniels, Schwartzman and the
Celtics all look like good people and costs nothing more than a few words.
And before the Ainge-thought-police jump down my e-throat, I'm all for the
Daniels signing (even if he did think, at some point in his life, it was a
good idea to permanently etch the image of a man blowing his own head off
with a shotgun onto his arm). Just let's not any of us labor under the
illusion that 1) agents routinely speak the truth, and 2) money is not the
primary consideration of almost every single player in the NBA.


On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Jim Hill <jahillsr at comcast.net> wrote:

> Assuming the story below is accurate:  Can you imagine a young NBA player
> turning down more money elsewhere, to play for the C's, and the chance to
> contribute to a Championship level team?  I like the attitude of a player
> choosing a chance to win.  This bodes well for team play.   <Jim
>
>

From bradybonz at cox.net  Thu Sep  3 03:43:25 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:43:25 -0400
Subject: Daniels Had More Lucrative Offers
In-Reply-To: <000001ca2c39$959d1c20$c0d75460$@net>
Message-ID: <20090902234325.IQ055.30321.imail@eastrmwml35>

It's a tribute to the Celtics history and tradition, as well as the championship driven attitude this team has displayed in recent years.
---- Jim Hill <jahillsr at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Assuming the story below is accurate:  Can you imagine a young NBA player
> turning down more money elsewhere, to play for the C's, and the chance to
> contribute to a Championship level team?  I like the attitude of a player
> choosing a chance to win.  This bodes well for team play.   <Jim
> 
>  
> 
> Marquis Daniels opted to take less money to sign with the Celtics.
> 
> His agent, Glenn Schwartzman, told the Boston Globe that his client is
> focused on contending for a championship.
> 
> "It's his best chance to win a championship," Schwartzman said. "He played
> in the Finals in Dallas and he wants to have a chance to play for another
> one. He has a chance to play important minutes in a number of different
> areas for a team that has a chance to win the championship."
> 
> The Celtics and Pacers attempted to work out a sign-and-trade that would
> have netted Daniels more money, and he drew interest from the Bobcats,
> Mavericks, Rockets, Knicks and Magic on the open market.
> 
> "He was definitely offered more money, even without the sign-and-trade, with
> other teams," Schwartzman added. "But he felt strongly about Boston and the
> opportunity there. There were a couple other good situations, but Danny and
> Coach Rivers were most sincerely interested in him."
> 
>  
> 
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Thu Sep  3 03:46:37 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:46:37 -0400
Subject: Daniels Had More Lucrative Offers
In-Reply-To: <253b689a0909021945n419997e8i7c24e56ddf500bcb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090902234637.8H0IR.30348.imail@eastrmwml35>

As it is for any team with any signing.  This isn't unique for Boston only.
On the other hand, he may very well have had other offers.  Unless you know for certain, I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to Daniels and/or his agent.
---- George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com> wrote: 
> this is just red-faced spin from an agent who failed to get an established
> NBA pro anything more than the LLE. It makes Daniels, Schwartzman and the
> Celtics all look like good people and costs nothing more than a few words.
> And before the Ainge-thought-police jump down my e-throat, I'm all for the
> Daniels signing (even if he did think, at some point in his life, it was a
> good idea to permanently etch the image of a man blowing his own head off
> with a shotgun onto his arm). Just let's not any of us labor under the
> illusion that 1) agents routinely speak the truth, and 2) money is not the
> primary consideration of almost every single player in the NBA.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Jim Hill <jahillsr at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Assuming the story below is accurate:  Can you imagine a young NBA player
> > turning down more money elsewhere, to play for the C's, and the chance to
> > contribute to a Championship level team?  I like the attitude of a player
> > choosing a chance to win.  This bodes well for team play.   <Jim
> >
> >
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From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Thu Sep  3 06:33:56 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2009 23:33:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Interesting stuff on HoopsHype
Message-ID: <861067.42300.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

1) Boston's new D-League team takes old friend Kedrick Clown in the expansion draft. Brown put up some pretty nice numbers in the D-League last season (www.nba.com/dleague/playerfile/index.jsp?player=kedrick_brown), and he's still only 27, but it's hard to imagine him really being in the mix for Boston. 

2) Grizzlies are working out Brevin Moore, Tyronn Lue and Jacque Vaughn. If Vaughn has anything left in the tank, he's a guy I wouldn't mind seeing behind Rondo. We don't need a shooter (Lue) or a scorer (B-Jax); just a nice, steady set-up guy who can pass and defend.

3) Iverson says the thing he most wants to complete his career is a ring and he doesn't mind coming off the bench to get it. Ray, are you listening? (Not that I really want Iverson on this team.)

http://hoopshype.com/rumors.htm


      


From BDodgers at aol.com  Fri Sep  4 00:47:30 2009
From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 20:47:30 EDT
Subject: Master of little things, Bowen retires on 'own terms'
Message-ID: <c1b.599c891a.37d1bda2@aol.com>

 
 
Art Garcia

Instant Analysis


 
 
 

Master of little things, Bowen  retires on 'own terms'

 
By Art Garcia, NBA.com

Bruce Bowen retired Thursday in a beauty salon. Not quite the image you'd  
expect from someone with a game only a coach could love. 
Bowen got in opponents' faces and in their heads. It was ugly. It was  
borderline dirty. Well, it was dirty at times. It also helped win  
championships. 
There isn't a prettier sight for the Spurs and their fans than the four NBA 
 championship banners hanging from the rafters of the AT&T Center. Bowen  
helped hang three during eight career-defining seasons in San Antonio. 
Perhaps the premier perimeter defender of his generation, Bowen wasn't part 
 of the snapshot that accompanied the last three titles. Tim Duncan, Tony 
Parker  and Manu Ginobili were the headliners, and rightfully so. But none of 
the El  Trio Grande would ever discount Bowen's role in the Spurs' success. 
 


Gregg Popovich loved Bowen's grit and basketball IQ. It wasn't uncommon for 
 Pop and Bruce to knock foreheads at times. They would often engage in 
spirited  exchanges during timeouts over something that just happened on the 
floor. The  words were always meant to get it right. 
Bowen did get it right, prospering despite not owning the skills most  
associate as necessary in a league that celebrates skill. Bowen couldn't shoot  
like Ray Allen, rebound like Dwight Howard, pass like Steve Nash or dribble 
like  Chris Paul. 
Has anyone in a fantasy league ever drafted Bowen? Has there ever been a  
player so vital to a team's fortunes that averaged 6.2 points and 2.8 
rebounds,  and shot 41 percent for his career? The answer on both counts is 
probably a  resounding "No." 
Bowen was effective in other ways. Both a fundamentally sound and 
instinctual  defender, Bowen had a knack for coming up with a loose ball or grabbing 
the key  rebound or making a timely block. And if he couldn't do it, he darn 
well made  sure the guy he was guarding couldn't make a play. Bowen guarded 
all five  positions with kamikaze gusto. 
He also developed a trusty 3-point shot from the corner, much to the 
chagrin  of opposing defenders who often sagged off Bowen. He struggled with free 
throw  shooting -- rival coaches often employed the intentional foul 
technique dubbed  "Bruise-a-Bowen" in San Antonio -- but Popovich found a way to 
keep him on the  floor. 
The other stuff helped. Bowen had a way of nudging or prodding or pulling 
or  sniping that irritated the spit out of his opponents and everyone in the 
stands  at enemy arenas. It was truly a wicked art form. Bowen did just 
enough on the  edge of sportsmanship to create reasonable doubt in officials' 
minds of his  intentions, but clearly enough to take his foes out of their 
games. 
Last season, though, Bowen wasn't the same pain in the neck. A permanent  
fixture in Popovich's starting five for seven years, Bowen moved into a 
reduced  role as the Spurs began to reshuffle the deck. He started only 10 times 
and even  registered two DNP-CDs along the way. (The Spurs lost both games.) 
It became painfully obvious in the first round against the Mavericks that  
Bowen couldn't cover as he once did. Popovich used him against Dirk Nowitzki 
and  J.J. Barea, and Bowen struggled equally with the 7-footer and mighty 
mite. The  lateral quickness wasn't there anymore. Nowitzki shot over him and 
Barea zipped  by. 
Spurs fans hardly batted an eye when Bowen was included in the collection 
of  used parts San Antonio traded to Milwaukee for Richard Jefferson. The 
euphoria  of the move that catapulted the Spurs back to bonafide contender 
status drowned  out any cries over losing Bowen. 
Hey, it's about titles and Bowen understands that as much as anyone. The  
one-time pro basketball vagabond who made a home in the Alamo City takes as 
much  pride in those banners as anyone who has ever worn in the Silver &  
Black. 
And so Bowen walks away from the NBA at age 38 without regret. After being  
bought out by the Bucks, talk surfaced that Bowen would sign with another  
contender. The Cavaliers and Celtics were among the teams mentioned. He also 
 didn't rule out completely coming out of retirement during the season for 
the  stretch run, but doesn't seem overly enthused by the idea now. 
"I want it to always be on my own terms and I'm fortunate enough to be able 
 to do that now," he said. 
Instead, the graduate of the University of Texas-San Antonio returned to 
his  adopted hometown, trading his sneakers for a curling iron. 
The pest is ready to  tease.





From bradybonz at cox.net  Fri Sep  4 01:58:35 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2009 21:58:35 -0400
Subject: Master of little things, Bowen retires on 'own terms'
In-Reply-To: <c1b.599c891a.37d1bda2@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090903215835.BQ4YK.44554.imail@eastrmwml40>

Guess it wasn't Boston that turned him off.  Wouldn't want to blame Danny for letting him get away.
---- BDodgers at aol.com wrote: 
>  
>  
> Art Garcia
> 
> Instant Analysis
> 
> 
>  
>  
>  
> 
> Master of little things, Bowen  retires on 'own terms'
> 
>  
> By Art Garcia, NBA.com
> 
> Bruce Bowen retired Thursday in a beauty salon. Not quite the image you'd  
> expect from someone with a game only a coach could love. 
> Bowen got in opponents' faces and in their heads. It was ugly. It was  
> borderline dirty. Well, it was dirty at times. It also helped win  
> championships. 
> There isn't a prettier sight for the Spurs and their fans than the four NBA 
>  championship banners hanging from the rafters of the AT&T Center. Bowen  
> helped hang three during eight career-defining seasons in San Antonio. 
> Perhaps the premier perimeter defender of his generation, Bowen wasn't part 
>  of the snapshot that accompanied the last three titles. Tim Duncan, Tony 
> Parker  and Manu Ginobili were the headliners, and rightfully so. But none of 
> the El  Trio Grande would ever discount Bowen's role in the Spurs' success. 
>  
> 
> 
> Gregg Popovich loved Bowen's grit and basketball IQ. It wasn't uncommon for 
>  Pop and Bruce to knock foreheads at times. They would often engage in 
> spirited  exchanges during timeouts over something that just happened on the 
> floor. The  words were always meant to get it right. 
> Bowen did get it right, prospering despite not owning the skills most  
> associate as necessary in a league that celebrates skill. Bowen couldn't shoot  
> like Ray Allen, rebound like Dwight Howard, pass like Steve Nash or dribble 
> like  Chris Paul. 
> Has anyone in a fantasy league ever drafted Bowen? Has there ever been a  
> player so vital to a team's fortunes that averaged 6.2 points and 2.8 
> rebounds,  and shot 41 percent for his career? The answer on both counts is 
> probably a  resounding "No." 
> Bowen was effective in other ways. Both a fundamentally sound and 
> instinctual  defender, Bowen had a knack for coming up with a loose ball or grabbing 
> the key  rebound or making a timely block. And if he couldn't do it, he darn 
> well made  sure the guy he was guarding couldn't make a play. Bowen guarded 
> all five  positions with kamikaze gusto. 
> He also developed a trusty 3-point shot from the corner, much to the 
> chagrin  of opposing defenders who often sagged off Bowen. He struggled with free 
> throw  shooting -- rival coaches often employed the intentional foul 
> technique dubbed  "Bruise-a-Bowen" in San Antonio -- but Popovich found a way to 
> keep him on the  floor. 
> The other stuff helped. Bowen had a way of nudging or prodding or pulling 
> or  sniping that irritated the spit out of his opponents and everyone in the 
> stands  at enemy arenas. It was truly a wicked art form. Bowen did just 
> enough on the  edge of sportsmanship to create reasonable doubt in officials' 
> minds of his  intentions, but clearly enough to take his foes out of their 
> games. 
> Last season, though, Bowen wasn't the same pain in the neck. A permanent  
> fixture in Popovich's starting five for seven years, Bowen moved into a 
> reduced  role as the Spurs began to reshuffle the deck. He started only 10 times 
> and even  registered two DNP-CDs along the way. (The Spurs lost both games.) 
> It became painfully obvious in the first round against the Mavericks that  
> Bowen couldn't cover as he once did. Popovich used him against Dirk Nowitzki 
> and  J.J. Barea, and Bowen struggled equally with the 7-footer and mighty 
> mite. The  lateral quickness wasn't there anymore. Nowitzki shot over him and 
> Barea zipped  by. 
> Spurs fans hardly batted an eye when Bowen was included in the collection 
> of  used parts San Antonio traded to Milwaukee for Richard Jefferson. The 
> euphoria  of the move that catapulted the Spurs back to bonafide contender 
> status drowned  out any cries over losing Bowen. 
> Hey, it's about titles and Bowen understands that as much as anyone. The  
> one-time pro basketball vagabond who made a home in the Alamo City takes as 
> much  pride in those banners as anyone who has ever worn in the Silver &  
> Black. 
> And so Bowen walks away from the NBA at age 38 without regret. After being  
> bought out by the Bucks, talk surfaced that Bowen would sign with another  
> contender. The Cavaliers and Celtics were among the teams mentioned. He also 
>  didn't rule out completely coming out of retirement during the season for 
> the  stretch run, but doesn't seem overly enthused by the idea now. 
> "I want it to always be on my own terms and I'm fortunate enough to be able 
>  to do that now," he said. 
> Instead, the graduate of the University of Texas-San Antonio returned to 
> his  adopted hometown, trading his sneakers for a curling iron. 
> The pest is ready to  tease.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> celtics at igtc.com
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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 11:54:29 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 04:54:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: T-Wolves staff
In-Reply-To: <3f0c87180909021856g1942a07fh21e3bb2a41d0aef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <302326.43610.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

anybody else think it's ironic that the Wolves go from McHale as coach to Rambis & Laimbeer??? I wish we had a healthy Leon to mash the twolves forwards when we meet up.

Ellie



      

From eggcentric at aol.com  Fri Sep  4 13:02:31 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 09:02:31 -0400
Subject: T-Wolves staff
In-Reply-To: <302326.43610.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E675DFE.10FE.41F7.9E3B.FBF95787E533@aol.com>

< anybody else think it's ironic that the Wolves go from McHale?
as coach to Rambis & Laimbeer?> - Ellie

Yup, pretty ironic, Ellie ... a punch to Kevin's left jaw.? Always 
disliked?Super McFilthy McNasty, Bad Bill Laimbeer. ?

<You crack me up, Egg!? Thanks for the laughs, though I think?
you're wrong on Lester Hudson.> - Ellie

Well isn't that the purpose of a Julia Child egg to be cracked?
up or crack up or something, anything? French cooking is so
tricky.?

Curious - What is it that you see in 25 yr. old rookie
Hudson that makes you so positive that he'll do well in the?
NBA???You obviously know a lot more about him than I
who never saw him play in college.??Only saw him play in one 
summer league game (on the web)?where his quickness on ?D? 
seemed pretty good against the level of?competition, but his 
point guard skills appeared to be wanting. ?

As he barely reaches 6 ft. tall in stilettos, PG is the only?
position I envision him playing in the NBA. Wondering if
that's why?no other team took a chance on drafting him. ?

Egg

From jeffclark at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 13:29:43 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:29:43 -0400
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
Message-ID: <84e131670909040629r49a25ea3jdfac929b5191103@mail.gmail.com>

just reading the articles this morning, but it sounds like Sessions could
find a home in the Twin Cities soon and The Answer might just tweet his
decision by COB

I guess we still have to wait for the end of the FIBA for Arroyo's decision

I wonder if the dominos will fall after that, possibly landing someone on
the Celtics?

-- 
Jeff
CelticsBlog.com
doughnutholes.wordpress.com

From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Fri Sep  4 13:53:04 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 09:53:04 -0400
Subject: T-Wolves staff
In-Reply-To: <4E675DFE.10FE.41F7.9E3B.FBF95787E533@aol.com>
References: <302326.43610.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<4E675DFE.10FE.41F7.9E3B.FBF95787E533@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200909041353.n84Dr86l015023@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>

The two most recent posts are related. I'll call it the Celtics mixing business with pleasure. Much like young (I can now call a GM of a sports franchise young...sigh...I curse thee Father Time!) Mr Epstein did with Penny and Smoltz - Hudson is a low risk, high reward signing on several fronts. 

He can be signed to non-guaranteed money (ownerships loves that). If he pans out - it makes Ainge look like "draft guru" again able to pick a contributor so late in the second round, and it makes signing a veteran option (which carries a higher price tag & guaranteed money) irrelevant. If he doesn't work out he can be cut mid-year with little or no downside to the organization (Mr Hudson would differ on that I'm sure as significant downside to him) still leaving them the flexibility to trade or sign another option in time for seasoning before the playoffs. 

It's basically the "extended tryout". Given the numbers of other options available, and probably STILL available mid-year, I can't see why the Celtics WOULDN'T go this route for their "third" PG (Ryan and Egg are right - Daniels will be given every opportunity to play Point Forward with House alongside as the fall back to the fall back - not counting two other options in Pierce/Allen who have also initiated the offense when Rondo isn't on the floor).  In business terms it's a no-brainer.



-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of jeffclark at gmail.com
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:30 AM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?

just reading the articles this morning, but it sounds like Sessions could
find a home in the Twin Cities soon and The Answer might just tweet his
decision by COB

I guess we still have to wait for the end of the FIBA for Arroyo's decision

I wonder if the dominos will fall after that, possibly landing someone on
the Celtics?

-- 
Jeff
CelticsBlog.com
doughnutholes.wordpress.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:03 AM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: T-Wolves staff

< anybody else think it's ironic that the Wolves go from McHale?
as coach to Rambis & Laimbeer?> - Ellie

Yup, pretty ironic, Ellie ... a punch to Kevin's left jaw.? Always 
disliked?Super McFilthy McNasty, Bad Bill Laimbeer. ?

<You crack me up, Egg!? Thanks for the laughs, though I think?
you're wrong on Lester Hudson.> - Ellie

Well isn't that the purpose of a Julia Child egg to be cracked?
up or crack up or something, anything? French cooking is so
tricky.?

Curious - What is it that you see in 25 yr. old rookie
Hudson that makes you so positive that he'll do well in the?
NBA???You obviously know a lot more about him than I
who never saw him play in college.??Only saw him play in one 
summer league game (on the web)?where his quickness on "D" 
seemed pretty good against the level of?competition, but his 
point guard skills appeared to be wanting. ?

As he barely reaches 6 ft. tall in stilettos, PG is the only?
position I envision him playing in the NBA. Wondering if
that's why?no other team took a chance on drafting him. ?

Egg
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 14:12:03 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:12:03 -0400
Subject: T-Wolves staff
In-Reply-To: <200909041353.n84Dr86l015023@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
References: <302326.43610.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<4E675DFE.10FE.41F7.9E3B.FBF95787E533@aol.com>
	<200909041353.n84Dr86l015023@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <84e131670909040712p48162861p25d8c7094439d84f@mail.gmail.com>

if we don't sign a PG, I could see the team bringing Hudson and one or two
projects to camp to see who can win a spot before rosters have to be cut
down to 15

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 9:53 AM, <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:

> The two most recent posts are related. I'll call it the Celtics mixing
> business with pleasure. Much like young (I can now call a GM of a sports
> franchise young...sigh...I curse thee Father Time!) Mr Epstein did with
> Penny and Smoltz - Hudson is a low risk, high reward signing on several
> fronts.
>
> He can be signed to non-guaranteed money (ownerships loves that). If he
> pans out - it makes Ainge look like "draft guru" again able to pick a
> contributor so late in the second round, and it makes signing a veteran
> option (which carries a higher price tag & guaranteed money) irrelevant. If
> he doesn't work out he can be cut mid-year with little or no downside to the
> organization (Mr Hudson would differ on that I'm sure as significant
> downside to him) still leaving them the flexibility to trade or sign another
> option in time for seasoning before the playoffs.
>
> It's basically the "extended tryout". Given the numbers of other options
> available, and probably STILL available mid-year, I can't see why the
> Celtics WOULDN'T go this route for their "third" PG (Ryan and Egg are right
> - Daniels will be given every opportunity to play Point Forward with House
> alongside as the fall back to the fall back - not counting two other options
> in Pierce/Allen who have also initiated the offense when Rondo isn't on the
> floor).  In business terms it's a no-brainer.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
> Of jeffclark at gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:30 AM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
>
> just reading the articles this morning, but it sounds like Sessions could
> find a home in the Twin Cities soon and The Answer might just tweet his
> decision by COB
>
> I guess we still have to wait for the end of the FIBA for Arroyo's decision
>
> I wonder if the dominos will fall after that, possibly landing someone on
> the Celtics?
>
> --
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> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
> Of eggcentric
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 9:03 AM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: T-Wolves staff
>
> < anybody else think it's ironic that the Wolves go from McHale
> as coach to Rambis & Laimbeer?> - Ellie
>
> Yup, pretty ironic, Ellie ... a punch to Kevin's left jaw.  Always
> disliked Super McFilthy McNasty, Bad Bill Laimbeer.
>
> <You crack me up, Egg!  Thanks for the laughs, though I think
> you're wrong on Lester Hudson.> - Ellie
>
> Well isn't that the purpose of a Julia Child egg to be cracked
> up or crack up or something, anything? French cooking is so
> tricky.
>
> Curious - What is it that you see in 25 yr. old rookie
> Hudson that makes you so positive that he'll do well in the
> NBA?  You obviously know a lot more about him than I
> who never saw him play in college.  Only saw him play in one
> summer league game (on the web) where his quickness on "D"
> seemed pretty good against the level of competition, but his
> point guard skills appeared to be wanting.
>
> As he barely reaches 6 ft. tall in stilettos, PG is the only
> position I envision him playing in the NBA. Wondering if
> that's why no other team took a chance on drafting him.
>
> Egg
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Fri Sep  4 14:23:01 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 2009 10:23:01 -0400
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909040629r49a25ea3jdfac929b5191103@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40E4AAD1.7F1F.443D.BB2E.73E0553A06BC@aol.com>


On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:29:43 AM, jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:

I wonder if the dominos will fall after that, possibly landing someone on
the Celtics?
----------------------------------------------------
Jeff,

A tweener himself, Danny has never felt that a "classic distributing PG" was important to
the success?of our team. ? Apparently he is?perfectly content to go with Daniels, House, 
and T. Allen as subs for Rondo.

Just look at the?useless tweener/PG draft picks, trades, FA signings he has made.?

Examples: ?Jiri Welsch, Mike James,?Dickau, Banks, West, T. Allen. O. Greene,
Telfair,?Will Bynum, Allan Ray,?the?aged?Payton,?House, Giddens, Pruitt, Marbury, etc. 
Likely?I have forgotten additional tweener PGs who Danny has brought to us.?
There have been a ton of them. 

Rondo is the only PG who?has panned out. ?And frankly, Danny is not even all that 
happy with Rondo.

Egg

From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Fri Sep  4 14:34:57 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:34:57 -0400
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
In-Reply-To: <40E4AAD1.7F1F.443D.BB2E.73E0553A06BC@aol.com>
References: <84e131670909040629r49a25ea3jdfac929b5191103@mail.gmail.com>
	<40E4AAD1.7F1F.443D.BB2E.73E0553A06BC@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200909041435.n84EZ06l000782@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>

The ego of the self.

Being a former college coach (volleyball) I struggled in recruiting and setting roles/lineups in part because I too often placed my own biases ahead of empirical evidence. Case in point, I tended to overvalue less athletic, but heart filled players - mirroring (my opinion) my own career as a walk on who ended up a starter my last three years at UNH. We lost a lot of close games...we had the heart, the scrappiness, but in the end the difference was the big "stud" athlete to overpower the other team. I didn't have one to get us over the top.

In viewing Ainge's (and somewhat Doc's) handling both signing and coaching PGs over the years I see much the same - in Ainge's case the long range bomber, scappy and tough; he always thought he could also handle the ball and the offense - overvaluing the shooting capacity from distance and just general peskiness at that position over distribution and getting the ball to the people not just in the "scope" of the offense, but at a time that maximized THEIR offensive capabilities.

As such most of his signings (not all - Payton for example was a good PG, just at the end of his career) have been of "his" mold. "And I have created him in my image..." Conscious thought? I don't know. Maybe, maybe he's doing it without knowing he's making the same type selection again and again.

Separating the ego and sense of self from one's position ain't easy. It ain't easy at all.



-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric
Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:23 AM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?


On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:29:43 AM, jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:

I wonder if the dominos will fall after that, possibly landing someone on
the Celtics?
----------------------------------------------------
Jeff,

A tweener himself, Danny has never felt that a "classic distributing PG" was important to
the success?of our team. ? Apparently he is?perfectly content to go with Daniels, House, 
and T. Allen as subs for Rondo.

Just look at the?useless tweener/PG draft picks, trades, FA signings he has made.?

Examples: ?Jiri Welsch, Mike James,?Dickau, Banks, West, T. Allen. O. Greene,
Telfair,?Will Bynum, Allan Ray,?the?aged?Payton,?House, Giddens, Pruitt, Marbury, etc. 
Likely?I have forgotten additional tweener PGs who Danny has brought to us.?
There have been a ton of them. 

Rondo is the only PG who?has panned out. ?And frankly, Danny is not even all that 
happy with Rondo.

Egg
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From noah.evans at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 14:37:31 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:37:31 +0200
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
In-Reply-To: <40E4AAD1.7F1F.443D.BB2E.73E0553A06BC@aol.com>
References: <84e131670909040629r49a25ea3jdfac929b5191103@mail.gmail.com>
	<40E4AAD1.7F1F.443D.BB2E.73E0553A06BC@aol.com>
Message-ID: <56a297000909040737h2989f7b9u43b871746022be72@mail.gmail.com>

As much as I dislike Danny this is unfair. A franchise point guard is
the hardest position to fill other than franchise center(who barely
exist anymore). Assuming Rondo doesn't implode as he takes more
responsibility Danny did a good job.

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, eggcentric<eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
>
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:29:43 AM, jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
>
> I wonder if the dominos will fall after that, possibly landing someone on
> the Celtics?
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Jeff,
>
> A tweener himself, Danny has never felt that a "classic distributing PG" was important to
> the success?of our team. ? Apparently he is?perfectly content to go with Daniels, House,
> and T. Allen as subs for Rondo.
>
> Just look at the?useless tweener/PG draft picks, trades, FA signings he has made.
>
> Examples: ?Jiri Welsch, Mike James,?Dickau, Banks, West, T. Allen. O. Greene,
> Telfair,?Will Bynum, Allan Ray,?the?aged?Payton,?House, Giddens, Pruitt, Marbury, etc.
> Likely?I have forgotten additional tweener PGs who Danny has brought to us.
> There have been a ton of them.
>
> Rondo is the only PG who?has panned out. ?And frankly, Danny is not even all that
> happy with Rondo.
>
> Egg
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 14:42:23 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 10:42:23 -0400
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
In-Reply-To: <200909041435.n84EZ06l000782@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
References: <84e131670909040629r49a25ea3jdfac929b5191103@mail.gmail.com>
	<40E4AAD1.7F1F.443D.BB2E.73E0553A06BC@aol.com>
	<200909041435.n84EZ06l000782@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <84e131670909040742o7397b6a9wf6b82afa62d63baf@mail.gmail.com>

I could see that.  There might even be a subtle divide between how Ainge
sees PGs and how Doc sees them meaning even when they are on the same page,
they may be reading different paragraphs.

By the way, I read in Peter May's book that the infamous Brain Doctor is the
one who originally turned Ainge onto Rondo.  Make of that what you will.

also, anyone wanting to take a trip down memory lane is welcome to see all
Dannyboy's transactions here:
http://hoopshype.com/general_managers/danny_ainge.htm

some winners, some losers, some irrelevant but all in all he did what he set
out to do
he took a middling team, tore it up, and brought a championship to town, so
I have few complaints


On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 10:34 AM, <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:

> The ego of the self.
>
> Being a former college coach (volleyball) I struggled in recruiting and
> setting roles/lineups in part because I too often placed my own biases ahead
> of empirical evidence. Case in point, I tended to overvalue less athletic,
> but heart filled players - mirroring (my opinion) my own career as a walk on
> who ended up a starter my last three years at UNH. We lost a lot of close
> games...we had the heart, the scrappiness, but in the end the difference was
> the big "stud" athlete to overpower the other team. I didn't have one to get
> us over the top.
>
> In viewing Ainge's (and somewhat Doc's) handling both signing and coaching
> PGs over the years I see much the same - in Ainge's case the long range
> bomber, scappy and tough; he always thought he could also handle the ball
> and the offense - overvaluing the shooting capacity from distance and just
> general peskiness at that position over distribution and getting the ball to
> the people not just in the "scope" of the offense, but at a time that
> maximized THEIR offensive capabilities.
>
> As such most of his signings (not all - Payton for example was a good PG,
> just at the end of his career) have been of "his" mold. "And I have created
> him in my image..." Conscious thought? I don't know. Maybe, maybe he's doing
> it without knowing he's making the same type selection again and again.
>
> Separating the ego and sense of self from one's position ain't easy. It
> ain't easy at all.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
> Of eggcentric
> Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 10:23 AM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
>
>
> On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:29:43 AM, jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
>
> I wonder if the dominos will fall after that, possibly landing someone on
> the Celtics?
> ----------------------------------------------------
> Jeff,
>
> A tweener himself, Danny has never felt that a "classic distributing PG"
> was important to
> the success of our team.   Apparently he is perfectly content to go with
> Daniels, House,
> and T. Allen as subs for Rondo.
>
> Just look at the useless tweener/PG draft picks, trades, FA signings he has
> made.
>
> Examples:  Jiri Welsch, Mike James, Dickau, Banks, West, T. Allen. O.
> Greene,
> Telfair, Will Bynum, Allan Ray, the aged Payton, House, Giddens, Pruitt,
> Marbury, etc.
> Likely I have forgotten additional tweener PGs who Danny has brought to
> us.
> There have been a ton of them.
>
> Rondo is the only PG who has panned out.  And frankly, Danny is not even
> all that
> happy with Rondo.
>
> Egg
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Fri Sep  4 15:03:53 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:03:53 -0400
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909040737h2989f7b9u43b871746022be72@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090904110353.APVHI.49106.imail@eastrmwml49>

Make that great.
---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote: 
> As much as I dislike Danny this is unfair. A franchise point guard is
> the hardest position to fill other than franchise center(who barely
> exist anymore). Assuming Rondo doesn't implode as he takes more
> responsibility Danny did a good job.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, eggcentric<eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:29:43 AM, jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if the dominos will fall after that, possibly landing someone on
> > the Celtics?
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Jeff,
> >
> > A tweener himself, Danny has never felt that a "classic distributing PG" was important to
> > the success?of our team. ? Apparently he is?perfectly content to go with Daniels, House,
> > and T. Allen as subs for Rondo.
> >
> > Just look at the?useless tweener/PG draft picks, trades, FA signings he has made.
> >
> > Examples: ?Jiri Welsch, Mike James,?Dickau, Banks, West, T. Allen. O. Greene,
> > Telfair,?Will Bynum, Allan Ray,?the?aged?Payton,?House, Giddens, Pruitt, Marbury, etc.
> > Likely?I have forgotten additional tweener PGs who Danny has brought to us.
> > There have been a ton of them.
> >
> > Rondo is the only PG who?has panned out. ?And frankly, Danny is not even all that
> > happy with Rondo.
> >
> > Egg
> > _______________________________________________
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Fri Sep  4 15:04:25 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:04:25 -0400
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
In-Reply-To: <20090904110353.APVHI.49106.imail@eastrmwml49>
Message-ID: <20090904110425.SW8AP.49120.imail@eastrmwml49>


---- bradybonz at cox.net wrote: 
> Make that great.
---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote: 
> As much as I dislike Danny this is unfair. A franchise point guard is
> the hardest position to fill other than franchise center(who barely
> exist anymore). Assuming Rondo doesn't implode as he takes more
> responsibility Danny did a good job.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:23 PM, eggcentric<eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sep 4, 2009, at 9:29:43 AM, jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > I wonder if the dominos will fall after that, possibly landing someone on
> > the Celtics?
> > ----------------------------------------------------
> > Jeff,
> >
> > A tweener himself, Danny has never felt that a "classic distributing PG" was important to
> > the success?of our team. ? Apparently he is?perfectly content to go with Daniels, House,
> > and T. Allen as subs for Rondo.
> >
> > Just look at the?useless tweener/PG draft picks, trades, FA signings he has made.
> >
> > Examples: ?Jiri Welsch, Mike James,?Dickau, Banks, West, T. Allen. O. Greene,
> > Telfair,?Will Bynum, Allan Ray,?the?aged?Payton,?House, Giddens, Pruitt, Marbury, etc.
> > Likely?I have forgotten additional tweener PGs who Danny has brought to us.
> > There have been a ton of them.
> >
> > Rondo is the only PG who?has panned out. ?And frankly, Danny is not even all that
> > happy with Rondo.
> >
> > Egg
> > _______________________________________________
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> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> >
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 15:06:59 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 08:06:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
In-Reply-To: <40E4AAD1.7F1F.443D.BB2E.73E0553A06BC@aol.com>
Message-ID: <134170.25617.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Egg, an argument *can* be made that a true point guard is not a necessary component of a championship team.  The team Danny has currently constructed is dependent on a true point guard to make it run, but that's more a function of the age of the Big 3 than a style preference made by Ainge.  As he has said multiple times, there are many ways to win and he's explored all avenues available--including true and not so true point guards.  

Ryan

--- On Fri, 9/4/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> A tweener himself, Danny has never felt that a "classic
> distributing PG" was important to
> the success?of our team. ? Apparently he is?perfectly
> content to go with Daniels, House, 
> and T. Allen as subs for Rondo.
> 
> Just look at the?useless tweener/PG draft picks, trades,
> FA signings he has made.?
> 
> Examples: ?Jiri Welsch, Mike James,?Dickau, Banks, West,
> T. Allen. O. Greene,
> Telfair,?Will Bynum, Allan
> Ray,?the?aged?Payton,?House, Giddens, Pruitt, Marbury,
> etc. 
> Likely?I have forgotten additional tweener PGs who Danny
> has brought to us.?
> There have been a ton of them. 
> 
> Rondo is the only PG who?has panned out. ?And frankly,
> Danny is not even all that 
> happy with Rondo.




      


From jeffclark at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 15:43:08 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:43:08 -0400
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
In-Reply-To: <134170.25617.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <40E4AAD1.7F1F.443D.BB2E.73E0553A06BC@aol.com>
	<134170.25617.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670909040843r11aacc40v9bc2aa1629f117ef@mail.gmail.com>

by the way, how poetic is it that the Daniels presser has been ...wait for
it, ...delayed

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Egg, an argument *can* be made that a true point guard is not a necessary
> component of a championship team.  The team Danny has currently constructed
> is dependent on a true point guard to make it run, but that's more a
> function of the age of the Big 3 than a style preference made by Ainge.  As
> he has said multiple times, there are many ways to win and he's explored all
> avenues available--including true and not so true point guards.
>
> Ryan
>
> --- On Fri, 9/4/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > A tweener himself, Danny has never felt that a "classic
> > distributing PG" was important to
> > the success of our team.   Apparently he is perfectly
> > content to go with Daniels, House,
> > and T. Allen as subs for Rondo.
> >
> > Just look at the useless tweener/PG draft picks, trades,
> > FA signings he has made.
> >
> > Examples:  Jiri Welsch, Mike James, Dickau, Banks, West,
> > T. Allen. O. Greene,
> > Telfair, Will Bynum, Allan
> > Ray, the aged Payton, House, Giddens, Pruitt, Marbury,
> > etc.
> > Likely I have forgotten additional tweener PGs who Danny
> > has brought to us.
> > There have been a ton of them.
> >
> > Rondo is the only PG who has panned out.  And frankly,
> > Danny is not even all that
> > happy with Rondo.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 15:44:14 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 11:44:14 -0400
Subject: point guard shoes dropping into place soon?
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909040843r11aacc40v9bc2aa1629f117ef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <40E4AAD1.7F1F.443D.BB2E.73E0553A06BC@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <84e131670909040844v59477c53w7f2d50d64e5fd02e@mail.gmail.com>

note: the start was delayed - as in it will still happen today, just later

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:43 AM, <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> by the way, how poetic is it that the Daniels presser has been ...wait for
> it, ...delayed
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Egg, an argument *can* be made that a true point guard is not a necessary
>> component of a championship team.  The team Danny has currently constructed
>> is dependent on a true point guard to make it run, but that's more a
>> function of the age of the Big 3 than a style preference made by Ainge.  As
>> he has said multiple times, there are many ways to win and he's explored all
>> avenues available--including true and not so true point guards.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> --- On Fri, 9/4/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > A tweener himself, Danny has never felt that a "classic
>> > distributing PG" was important to
>> > the success of our team.   Apparently he is perfectly
>> > content to go with Daniels, House,
>> > and T. Allen as subs for Rondo.
>> >
>> > Just look at the useless tweener/PG draft picks, trades,
>> > FA signings he has made.
>> >
>> > Examples:  Jiri Welsch, Mike James, Dickau, Banks, West,
>> > T. Allen. O. Greene,
>> > Telfair, Will Bynum, Allan
>> > Ray, the aged Payton, House, Giddens, Pruitt, Marbury,
>> > etc.
>> > Likely I have forgotten additional tweener PGs who Danny
>> > has brought to us.
>> > There have been a ton of them.
>> >
>> > Rondo is the only PG who has panned out.  And frankly,
>> > Danny is not even all that
>> > happy with Rondo.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> celtics at igtc.com
>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>>
>
>
>
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>



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From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 19:36:13 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 12:36:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: James White?
Message-ID: <242446.84562.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

White was the first guy the Red Claws took in the expansion draft. Is anybody familiar with his game? He hasn't done much in his brief NBA call-ups, but he led the D-League in scoring last year, and he's got nice size (listed at 6'7, 200). 

This fantasy draft profile makes it sound like he's starting to come on as a defender, which is really the only way I could see him making the C's roster. But we could use another big wing defender.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-White-71/

(For that matter, does anybody know how D-League call-ups work with the Red Claws being shared by Boston and Charlotte? Can either team call up the guys the Claws just drafted?)

Thanks





      


From bradybonz at cox.net  Fri Sep  4 20:05:31 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:05:31 -0400
Subject: James White?
In-Reply-To: <242446.84562.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090904160531.DH163.53731.imail@eastrmwml36>

I doubt we could take a flyer on an unknown, especially with only 1 available roster spot.  I'm quite certain that the final spot will come at the trade deadline, when our  expiring contracts will have more value and possibily get the backup pg that we will need down the stretch (even now if there were one that Ainge is convinced we could use)-either that or another cagey vet.  We'd need to dump space to get an unknown (NBA unknown), and right now, we don't have that luxury.
---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> White was the first guy the Red Claws took in the expansion draft. Is anybody familiar with his game? He hasn't done much in his brief NBA call-ups, but he led the D-League in scoring last year, and he's got nice size (listed at 6'7, 200). 
> 
> This fantasy draft profile makes it sound like he's starting to come on as a defender, which is really the only way I could see him making the C's roster. But we could use another big wing defender.
> 
> http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-White-71/
> 
> (For that matter, does anybody know how D-League call-ups work with the Red Claws being shared by Boston and Charlotte? Can either team call up the guys the Claws just drafted?)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> celtics at igtc.com
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From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Fri Sep  4 20:35:23 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 13:35:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: James White
Message-ID: <245587.1348.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I was meaning more if, say, midway through the season he's tearing up the D-League and we need somebody to help defend bigger wings - can we call him up, like the Sox can from Pawtucket? It's not like he's a guy we drafted and then sent down (e.g. Giddens).

>I doubt we could take a flyer on an unknown, especially with only 1 available roster spot.


      


From jeffclark at gmail.com  Fri Sep  4 20:46:24 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 16:46:24 -0400
Subject: James White?
In-Reply-To: <20090904160531.DH163.53731.imail@eastrmwml36>
References: <242446.84562.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20090904160531.DH163.53731.imail@eastrmwml36>
Message-ID: <84e131670909041346q2acf4e3dr8f1552d45dd7d54b@mail.gmail.com>

I believe anyone can "call up" any D-Leaguer not under contract - they are
all free agents except the ones on loan from the NBA

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:05 PM, <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:

> I doubt we could take a flyer on an unknown, especially with only 1
> available roster spot.  I'm quite certain that the final spot will come at
> the trade deadline, when our  expiring contracts will have more value and
> possibily get the backup pg that we will need down the stretch (even now if
> there were one that Ainge is convinced we could use)-either that or another
> cagey vet.  We'd need to dump space to get an unknown (NBA unknown), and
> right now, we don't have that luxury.
> ---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > White was the first guy the Red Claws took in the expansion draft. Is
> anybody familiar with his game? He hasn't done much in his brief NBA
> call-ups, but he led the D-League in scoring last year, and he's got nice
> size (listed at 6'7, 200).
> >
> > This fantasy draft profile makes it sound like he's starting to come on
> as a defender, which is really the only way I could see him making the C's
> roster. But we could use another big wing defender.
> >
> > http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-White-71/
> >
> > (For that matter, does anybody know how D-League call-ups work with the
> Red Claws being shared by Boston and Charlotte? Can either team call up the
> guys the Claws just drafted?)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>



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From jlyell at verizon.net  Sat Sep  5 03:38:36 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 20:38:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: James White?
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909041346q2acf4e3dr8f1552d45dd7d54b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <242446.84562.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20090904160531.DH163.53731.imail@eastrmwml36>
	<84e131670909041346q2acf4e3dr8f1552d45dd7d54b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <209423.2818.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

White is somewhat like a James Harden, played for the Anaheim Arsenal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_White_(basketball)


?



________________________________
From: "jeffclark at gmail.com" <jeffclark at gmail.com>
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
Cc: Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, September 4, 2009 1:46:24 PM
Subject: Re: James White?

I believe anyone can "call up" any D-Leaguer not under contract - they are
all free agents except the ones on loan from the NBA

On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 4:05 PM, <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:

> I doubt we could take a flyer on an unknown, especially with only 1
> available roster spot.? I'm quite certain that the final spot will come at
> the trade deadline, when our? expiring contracts will have more value and
> possibily get the backup pg that we will need down the stretch (even now if
> there were one that Ainge is convinced we could use)-either that or another
> cagey vet.? We'd need to dump space to get an unknown (NBA unknown), and
> right now, we don't have that luxury.
> ---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > White was the first guy the Red Claws took in the expansion draft. Is
> anybody familiar with his game? He hasn't done much in his brief NBA
> call-ups, but he led the D-League in scoring last year, and he's got nice
> size (listed at 6'7, 200).
> >
> > This fantasy draft profile makes it sound like he's starting to come on
> as a defender, which is really the only way I could see him making the C's
> roster. But we could use another big wing defender.
> >
> > http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-White-71/
> >
> > (For that matter, does anybody know how D-League call-ups work with the
> Red Claws being shared by Boston and Charlotte? Can either team call up the
> guys the Claws just drafted?)
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
> _______________________________________________
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> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>



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From jaims at pldtdsl.net  Sat Sep  5 05:23:34 2009
From: jaims at pldtdsl.net (Jaime =?ISO-8859-1?B?Q2FzdGlsbG+gSnI=?=.)
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2009 13:23:34 +0800
Subject: James White?
In-Reply-To: <242446.84562.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6C816D6.446%jaims@pldtdsl.net>

I first saw games of James White when he played in college for Cincy
Bearcats.  He's a skinny/lanky energy who's super athletic.  Great open
court runner and flyer but has suspect outside shooting.

He will never stick in the NBA unless he develops a regular (outside)shot.
He's too skinny and weak to slash and get banged.

Other than those, the most awesome note in his 'career' is the 2 handed
tomahawk dunk from the freethrow line he did in games and dunk contests.
Amazing athlete is what he is...


On 9/5/09 3:36 AM, "Peter Delevett" <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:

> White was the first guy the Red Claws took in the expansion draft. Is anybody
> familiar with his game? He hasn't done much in his brief NBA call-ups, but he
> led the D-League in scoring last year, and he's got nice size (listed at 6'7,
> 200). 
> 
> This fantasy draft profile makes it sound like he's starting to come on as a
> defender, which is really the only way I could see him making the C's roster.
> But we could use another big wing defender.
> 
> http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/James-White-71/
> 
> (For that matter, does anybody know how D-League call-ups work with the Red
> Claws being shared by Boston and Charlotte? Can either team call up the guys
> the Claws just drafted?)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics



From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  6 18:34:03 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 11:34:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
Message-ID: <746088.12963.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Before we get to Brent Barry, KG's favorite PG friend Ty Lue is not signing with PAOK, says he is signing with an NBA team, and could still be in play.


The following is from the Hume-Man - http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume

Received Text Indicating AIverson's Decision Will Be Here No Later Than Wed. w/Atlanta, Memphis, Charlotte, Miami, New York & Boston Waiting6:49 AM Sep 5th from web 

Enter Brent Barry in Discussion of C's Final Roster Spot. Houston Has Contacted Danny In Regards to Trade (Barry Could Also Be Bought Out)..6:53 AM Sep 5th from web 

 The Unanimous Feeling Seems to be That Most Of Us (including GM) Would Prefer Iverson or Barry over Arroyo or Marbury ...

It Appears That Iverson Will Make His Next Move Official Between Wednesday (Per My Mole) and Friday (When Memphis Will Pull Offer)

 If Houston Doesn't Bite On Tony or Brian Then It is Possible That Brent Ends Up Getting Bought Out ...

scenario w/Higher Probability is Rockets Failing to Move Barry & Setting Him Free With $, That's Where Boston Says Hello.

Since Barry is More Likely To Earn Run and Will Also Serve as a Much Needed Extra One. LAC, OKC & Mem Want BB as Well.






      


From jlyell at verizon.net  Sun Sep  6 19:16:00 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 12:16:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
In-Reply-To: <746088.12963.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <746088.12963.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <145609.50404.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Barry or AI are a plus over Tony, Scal, Giddens,Lue?for roster spots??





________________________________
From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
To: Celtics Stuff <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>; Celtics Are Idiots List <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 11:34:03 AM
Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry

Before we get to Brent Barry, KG's favorite PG friend Ty Lue is not signing with PAOK, says he is signing with an NBA team, and could still be in play.


The following is from the Hume-Man - http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume

Received Text Indicating AIverson's Decision Will Be Here No Later Than Wed. w/Atlanta, Memphis, Charlotte, Miami, New York & Boston Waiting6:49 AM Sep 5th from web 

Enter Brent Barry in Discussion of C's Final Roster Spot. Houston Has Contacted Danny In Regards to Trade (Barry Could Also Be Bought Out)..6:53 AM Sep 5th from web 

The Unanimous Feeling Seems to be That Most Of Us (including GM) Would Prefer Iverson or Barry over Arroyo or Marbury ...

It Appears That Iverson Will Make His Next Move Official Between Wednesday (Per My Mole) and Friday (When Memphis Will Pull Offer)

If Houston Doesn't Bite On Tony or Brian Then It is Possible That Brent Ends Up Getting Bought Out ...

scenario w/Higher Probability is Rockets Failing to Move Barry & Setting Him Free With $, That's Where Boston Says Hello.

Since Barry is More Likely To Earn Run and Will Also Serve as a Much Needed Extra One. LAC, OKC & Mem Want BB as Well.






? ? ? 

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From bradybonz at cox.net  Sun Sep  6 21:40:45 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 17:40:45 -0400
Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
In-Reply-To: <145609.50404.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090906174045.LFLGF.68903.imail@eastrmwml40>

AI is far and away the best talent of that lot, but his "me first" attitude can still be an issue.  So far, his statements haven't convinced me that he will be a team player, and one who will be relegated to a 7th man in the rotation. There is no love for the Celtics by the Barry family, and I doubt that getting BB would do us any good.  We know Scal is a good teammate and loccer room guy, and Tony is still a talented player, albeit an air head.  I'd pass on Barry, although I'm not as against AI as I was.  Perhaps the team concept with the existing players will rub off on Iverson.  That's too much talent not to walk away from if Boston was a team he'd consider.  I jsut hope he has changed his mind about "practice", cause he's going to see a lot of it.
---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Barry or AI are a plus over Tony, Scal, Giddens,Lue?for roster spots??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> To: Celtics Stuff <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>; Celtics Are Idiots List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 11:34:03 AM
> Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
> 
> Before we get to Brent Barry, KG's favorite PG friend Ty Lue is not signing with PAOK, says he is signing with an NBA team, and could still be in play.
> 
> 
> The following is from the Hume-Man - http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
> 
> Received Text Indicating AIverson's Decision Will Be Here No Later Than Wed. w/Atlanta, Memphis, Charlotte, Miami, New York & Boston Waiting6:49 AM Sep 5th from web 
> 
> Enter Brent Barry in Discussion of C's Final Roster Spot. Houston Has Contacted Danny In Regards to Trade (Barry Could Also Be Bought Out)..6:53 AM Sep 5th from web 
> 
> The Unanimous Feeling Seems to be That Most Of Us (including GM) Would Prefer Iverson or Barry over Arroyo or Marbury ...
> 
> It Appears That Iverson Will Make His Next Move Official Between Wednesday (Per My Mole) and Friday (When Memphis Will Pull Offer)
> 
> If Houston Doesn't Bite On Tony or Brian Then It is Possible That Brent Ends Up Getting Bought Out ...
> 
> scenario w/Higher Probability is Rockets Failing to Move Barry & Setting Him Free With $, That's Where Boston Says Hello.
> 
> Since Barry is More Likely To Earn Run and Will Also Serve as a Much Needed Extra One. LAC, OKC & Mem Want BB as Well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Sun Sep  6 23:59:20 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
In-Reply-To: <20090906174045.LFLGF.68903.imail@eastrmwml40>
Message-ID: <580683.30019.qm@web63106.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

ugh to Barry as far as I'm concerned.?? If AI really wants a ring, he has to know that he will not be a starter on any team that is currently in contention.? SO,? he can play both guard positions - can you imagine him coming in for Ray Allen?? Rondo, Iverson and Garnett on the floor at the same time?? The court would explode! (in a good way).??? I think Ainge has always loved him - say what you will but AI is a warrior, and with Leon gone would certainly lead the team in Tommy Points.

Ellie
--- On Sun, 9/6/09, bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:

From: bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net>
Subject: Re: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:40 PM

AI is far and away the best talent of that lot, but his "me first" attitude can still be an issue.? So far, his statements haven't convinced me that he will be a team player, and one who will be relegated to a 7th man in the rotation. There is no love for the Celtics by the Barry family, and I doubt that getting BB would do us any good.? We know Scal is a good teammate and loccer room guy, and Tony is still a talented player, albeit an air head.? I'd pass on Barry, although I'm not as against AI as I was.? Perhaps the team concept with the existing players will rub off on Iverson.? That's too much talent not to walk away from if Boston was a team he'd consider.? I jsut hope he has changed his mind about "practice", cause he's going to see a lot of it.
---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Barry or AI are a plus over Tony, Scal, Giddens,Lue?for roster spots??
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> To: Celtics Stuff <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>; Celtics Are Idiots List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 11:34:03 AM
> Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
> 
> Before we get to Brent Barry, KG's favorite PG friend Ty Lue is not signing with PAOK, says he is signing with an NBA team, and could still be in play.
> 
> 
> The following is from the Hume-Man - http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
> 
> Received Text Indicating AIverson's Decision Will Be Here No Later Than Wed. w/Atlanta, Memphis, Charlotte, Miami, New York & Boston Waiting6:49 AM Sep 5th from web 
> 
> Enter Brent Barry in Discussion of C's Final Roster Spot. Houston Has Contacted Danny In Regards to Trade (Barry Could Also Be Bought Out)..6:53 AM Sep 5th from web 
> 
> The Unanimous Feeling Seems to be That Most Of Us (including GM) Would Prefer Iverson or Barry over Arroyo or Marbury ...
> 
> It Appears That Iverson Will Make His Next Move Official Between Wednesday (Per My Mole) and Friday (When Memphis Will Pull Offer)
> 
> If Houston Doesn't Bite On Tony or Brian Then It is Possible That Brent Ends Up Getting Bought Out ...
> 
> scenario w/Higher Probability is Rockets Failing to Move Barry & Setting Him Free With $, That's Where Boston Says Hello.
> 
> Since Barry is More Likely To Earn Run and Will Also Serve as a Much Needed Extra One. LAC, OKC & Mem Want BB as Well.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Mon Sep  7 02:22:26 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 22:22:26 -0400
Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
In-Reply-To: <580683.30019.qm@web63106.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090906222226.LINXZ.70306.imail@eastrmwml42>

I've always admired AI for his talent and relentless physical moxey.  No one his size took more beatings going to the hole like Iverson.  Rondo and CP3 are probably similar in guts, Rondo perhaps moreso.  Rajon is one tough little pg, and I hope he can take the same punishment as AI has.  In a way, it would be not only interesting, but incrdible if the C's could land such a talent, just for what it would appear on paper.  I thought the same when they signed Marbury, who was a great talent in his own right.
If Iverson can mix in with the core of the Celtics team as it stands, it could be perceived as the most talented team (on paper-and emphasis on paper) ever assebled in NBA history. That would be something for the ages.  But, it would have to be the "good Iverson", one who is true to his current statements about being a team player and a desire to win a ring, even coming off the bench.  I still have my doubts, but at this point, it is awfully intriguing.  That would make our 2nd 5 as good as 3/4 of the league's starting 5, and we already have the best starting 5.
That should scare the crap out of any team in the league.
---- Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> ugh to Barry as far as I'm concerned.?? If AI really wants a ring, he has to know that he will not be a starter on any team that is currently in contention.? SO,? he can play both guard positions - can you imagine him coming in for Ray Allen?? Rondo, Iverson and Garnett on the floor at the same time?? The court would explode! (in a good way).??? I think Ainge has always loved him - say what you will but AI is a warrior, and with Leon gone would certainly lead the team in Tommy Points.
> 
> Ellie
> --- On Sun, 9/6/09, bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> From: bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:40 PM
> 
> AI is far and away the best talent of that lot, but his "me first" attitude can still be an issue.? So far, his statements haven't convinced me that he will be a team player, and one who will be relegated to a 7th man in the rotation. There is no love for the Celtics by the Barry family, and I doubt that getting BB would do us any good.? We know Scal is a good teammate and loccer room guy, and Tony is still a talented player, albeit an air head.? I'd pass on Barry, although I'm not as against AI as I was.? Perhaps the team concept with the existing players will rub off on Iverson.? That's too much talent not to walk away from if Boston was a team he'd consider.? I jsut hope he has changed his mind about "practice", cause he's going to see a lot of it.
> ---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote: 
> > Barry or AI are a plus over Tony, Scal, Giddens,Lue?for roster spots??
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> > From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> > To: Celtics Stuff <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>; Celtics Are Idiots List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 6, 2009 11:34:03 AM
> > Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
> > 
> > Before we get to Brent Barry, KG's favorite PG friend Ty Lue is not signing with PAOK, says he is signing with an NBA team, and could still be in play.
> > 
> > 
> > The following is from the Hume-Man - http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
> > 
> > Received Text Indicating AIverson's Decision Will Be Here No Later Than Wed. w/Atlanta, Memphis, Charlotte, Miami, New York & Boston Waiting6:49 AM Sep 5th from web 
> > 
> > Enter Brent Barry in Discussion of C's Final Roster Spot. Houston Has Contacted Danny In Regards to Trade (Barry Could Also Be Bought Out)..6:53 AM Sep 5th from web 
> > 
> > The Unanimous Feeling Seems to be That Most Of Us (including GM) Would Prefer Iverson or Barry over Arroyo or Marbury ...
> > 
> > It Appears That Iverson Will Make His Next Move Official Between Wednesday (Per My Mole) and Friday (When Memphis Will Pull Offer)
> > 
> > If Houston Doesn't Bite On Tony or Brian Then It is Possible That Brent Ends Up Getting Bought Out ...
> > 
> > scenario w/Higher Probability is Rockets Failing to Move Barry & Setting Him Free With $, That's Where Boston Says Hello.
> > 
> > Since Barry is More Likely To Earn Run and Will Also Serve as a Much Needed Extra One. LAC, OKC & Mem Want BB as Well.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
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From jahillsr at comcast.net  Mon Sep  7 03:28:28 2009
From: jahillsr at comcast.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 23:28:28 -0400
Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
Message-ID: <000001ca2f6b$44a28c30$cde7a490$@net>

Well a "Barry talent" would work.  I am no fan of the Barry Basketball
family as it appears neither is Ellie.   AI gives me pause, but he is a
talented player, if Doc thinks he can get him to play Celtics team first
style basketball for a season I'd say go for it.

<Jim

 

ugh to Barry as far as I'm concerned.   If AI really wants a ring, he has to
know that he will not be a starter on any team that is currently in
contention.  SO,  he can play both guard positions - can you imagine him
coming in for Ray Allen?  Rondo, Iverson and Garnett on the floor at the
same time?  The court would explode! (in a good way).    I think Ainge has
always loved him - say what you will but AI is a warrior, and with Leon gone
would certainly lead the team in Tommy Points.
 
Ellie
--- On Sun, 9/6/09, bradybonz at cox.net
<http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics>  <bradybonz at cox.net
<http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> > wrote:
 
From: bradybonz at cox.net <http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics>
<bradybonz at cox.net <http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> >
Subject: Re: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com
<http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> >
Date: Sunday, September 6, 2009, 5:40 PM
 
AI is far and away the best talent of that lot, but his "me first" attitude
can still be an issue.  So far, his statements haven't convinced me that he
will be a team player, and one who will be relegated to a 7th man in the
rotation. There is no love for the Celtics by the Barry family, and I doubt
that getting BB would do us any good.  We know Scal is a good teammate and
loccer room guy, and Tony is still a talented player, albeit an air head.
I'd pass on Barry, although I'm not as against AI as I was.  Perhaps the
team concept with the existing players will rub off on Iverson.  That's too
much talent not to walk away from if Boston was a team he'd consider.  I
jsut hope he has changed his mind about "practice", cause he's going to see
a lot of it.
---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net
<http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> > wrote: 
> Barry or AI are a plus over Tony, Scal, Giddens,Lue for roster spots  
> 

 


From jahillsr at comcast.net  Mon Sep  7 03:38:34 2009
From: jahillsr at comcast.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Sun, 6 Sep 2009 23:38:34 -0400
Subject: OT  Seymour traded for a 1st?
Message-ID: <002c01ca2f6c$ad77e650$0867b2f0$@net>

All I can say is wow.  Talk about management treating the team as a
business.  This group would have sent poor Leon to speak with a Obamacare
death panel . .


From noah.evans at gmail.com  Mon Sep  7 07:57:27 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 09:57:27 +0200
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <002c01ca2f6c$ad77e650$0867b2f0$@net>
References: <002c01ca2f6c$ad77e650$0867b2f0$@net>
Message-ID: <56a297000909070057q3b25c457yee26602adc907af2@mail.gmail.com>

Equally off topic, as an American who has lived in two countries with
pseudo-"socialized" medicine(Belgium and Japan) for >7 years,
Americans have to be crazy not to want it.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89626309

This ends my participation in the current troll.

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Jim Hill<jahillsr at comcast.net> wrote:
> All I can say is wow. ?Talk about management treating the team as a
> business. ?This group would have sent poor Leon to speak with a Obamacare
> death panel . .
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Mon Sep  7 16:02:23 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 2009 12:02:23 -0400
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909070057q3b25c457yee26602adc907af2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090907120223.SXJJS.74095.imail@eastrmwml28>

As long as it's the same quality care that Teddy got-then I'm all for it.
---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Equally off topic, as an American who has lived in two countries with
> pseudo-"socialized" medicine(Belgium and Japan) for >7 years,
> Americans have to be crazy not to want it.
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89626309
> 
> This ends my participation in the current troll.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 5:38 AM, Jim Hill<jahillsr at comcast.net> wrote:
> > All I can say is wow. ?Talk about management treating the team as a
> > business. ?This group would have sent poor Leon to speak with a Obamacare
> > death panel . .
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From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Tue Sep  8 11:45:34 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 07:45:34 -0400
Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry
In-Reply-To: <746088.12963.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <746088.12963.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200909081145.n88Bjavi019071@apollo.afrc.af.mil>

Brent Barry...with the Celtics....BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry, lost it there for a second. I thought someone actually thought Brent Barry would sign with the Celtics. 

I have this cold pit feeling we will sign AI. I've said it before...we don't need another name. We could use another role player, but not another name, especially one that doesn't play defense. 

All that said...how would we slot anyone else salary wise when we have no exemptions left? Vet min is all I can think of barring a trade and I don't see having anything to bargain with that anyone would want except maybe BBD at this point.

The Hume man? And I thought my puns were bad. Who's next Al Ian, live from Mars?

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Way Of The Ray
Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 2:34 PM
To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List
Subject: Houston Has Contacted The Celtics About Brent Barry

Before we get to Brent Barry, KG's favorite PG friend Ty Lue is not signing with PAOK, says he is signing with an NBA team, and could still be in play.


The following is from the Hume-Man - http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume

Received Text Indicating AIverson's Decision Will Be Here No Later Than Wed. w/Atlanta, Memphis, Charlotte, Miami, New York & Boston Waiting6:49 AM Sep 5th from web 

Enter Brent Barry in Discussion of C's Final Roster Spot. Houston Has Contacted Danny In Regards to Trade (Barry Could Also Be Bought Out)..6:53 AM Sep 5th from web 

 The Unanimous Feeling Seems to be That Most Of Us (including GM) Would Prefer Iverson or Barry over Arroyo or Marbury ...

It Appears That Iverson Will Make His Next Move Official Between Wednesday (Per My Mole) and Friday (When Memphis Will Pull Offer)

 If Houston Doesn't Bite On Tony or Brian Then It is Possible That Brent Ends Up Getting Bought Out ...

scenario w/Higher Probability is Rockets Failing to Move Barry & Setting Him Free With $, That's Where Boston Says Hello.

Since Barry is More Likely To Earn Run and Will Also Serve as a Much Needed Extra One. LAC, OKC & Mem Want BB as Well.






      

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From eggcentric at aol.com  Tue Sep  8 12:58:23 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 08:58:23 -0400
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
Message-ID: <4EC45EDD.D223.4F56.8B6E.4166F54779E9@aol.com>

Wondering why we haven't heard recent news on Garnett's present?
status?

For purposes of broadening their fan base, the Celtics smartly?
handed out press credentials to dozens of amateur Celt blog?
owners, podcasters, and minor newspaper reporters. Oh no,?
The York (Me.) Weekly, a national giant of professional sports 
reporting, now has free access to the Celt?locker room??

In doing so, Celt management has had to circle their info wagons. ?
?Show 'em only what we want them to write? has become their?
standard, protective modus operandi.? Thus all spin and?few?truths.? 
And what spin is reported?is merely being lifted from second-rate
sports?site to third-rate sports site, from blog to blog,?as a nation 
of sheep.

In the case of Garnett, management has learned their lesson. ?
They are now way too savvy to once again be caught in an?
outright lie about his medical status.? They have been advised
that?the public seldom forgives twice.? Yet how can they dampen?
advance ticket sales by admitting that the? ?successful removal?
of bone spurs? from Garnett's knee did not necessarily preclude?
permanent damage to his patella tendon. Their advice from
their PR?consultants: better to say nothing.

Garnett can now walk without a limp, bend his knee. do full?
weight workouts, two-legged squats, and is in much less pain.?
And that's all reassuring.? But can he scrimmage at this point? ?
Will he be ready come Nov. 1?? Will he ever be the same talent?
he once was?? No, no, and no. ?

Enter Rasheed to hopefully fill in the blanks for Garnett's?
reduced minutes and effectiveness this season. ?

Egg ?

??

From eggcentric at aol.com  Tue Sep  8 13:08:23 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:08:23 -0400
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <20090907120223.SXJJS.74095.imail@eastrmwml28>
Message-ID: <FA75360E.41C8.4413.811A.57DFF2EEEB11@aol.com>

< This group would have sent poor Leon to speak with?
a Obamacare death panel. > jahillsr?

Death squads in health care? Obama secretly born in Kenya? His?
?study hard and stay in school? address? is an effort to expand his
?cult in the classroom? ?

Politics has become an an art form designed to re-define reality.?

Maybe the Celts should sign Obama instead of your faves
Brent Barry and Iverson.? He's not all that much older, would certainly
be a?more effective clubhouse guy, and has played many less?
years/minutes in the NBA.? In other words, Obama has better knees. ?

I also understand? (of course again through my unnamed ?sing like a?
Canary? source) that Michelle has a mean Ray Allenesque?stroke
from 3-point land.? Maybe Danny should just go for the 2fer and?
cut his losses by releasing Tony Allen.
?
Egg

From eggcentric at aol.com  Tue Sep  8 13:11:23 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 09:11:23 -0400
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <20090907120223.SXJJS.74095.imail@eastrmwml28>
Message-ID: <C55517B2.3568.48E5.BB8F.A5578D609FFD@aol.com>


On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:02:23 PM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:

As long as it's the same quality care that Teddy got-then I'm
all for it.
-----------------

I?thought?I?had?heard?that Teddy died.

From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Tue Sep  8 13:26:31 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:26:31 -0400
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
In-Reply-To: <4EC45EDD.D223.4F56.8B6E.4166F54779E9@aol.com>
References: <4EC45EDD.D223.4F56.8B6E.4166F54779E9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200909081326.n88DQWHx010656@ares.afrc.af.mil>

No news is good news?

OR

Batten down the hatches....thar's a No'eastah blowing through!

Similar to other knee injuries I'd be willing to bet it would be a two year process. However, let's compare to another injured knee Celtic: Tony Allen.

Allen's injury basically was more severe in the fact that there were actual tears to ligaments - the slowest healing muscle type in the body. BUT bone spurs are not often removed (I'm arguing with my own doc about a bone spur in my heel right now) given the removal usually causes more damage than the spur itself as it has to excised from the surrounding tissue.

The biggest impediment to Allen's comeback - lack of confidence in his "explosiveness", which really was his game - he was not a jump shooter and his rebounding was predicated again on his quickness and leaping.

The biggest impediment to Garnett will be on the defensive end - will he still have the superior lateral quickness (which made him a ferocious pick and roll defender)? His rebounding was both of quickness and positioning - I could see him easily leaning more on the box out and his length to remain a solid rebounder. Offensively, he IS a jump shooter - he is not beholden to his explosiveness to get points.

So is this a death knell? No.  Is it a festival of light? No to that too. This injury will have an effect - the question is does it make Kevin Garnett a mere mortal NBA player or will he retain enough of his past abilities to keep the Cs an upper echelon team? I'm betting on the latter just because he's one of the more competitive people I've seen on the floor (and that's an an ubercompetitive league). He seems to take things personally and people like that tend not to "fade" away.


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:58 AM
To: celtics at igtc.com
Subject: GARNETT STATUS

Wondering why we haven't heard recent news on Garnett's present?
status?

For purposes of broadening their fan base, the Celtics smartly?
handed out press credentials to dozens of amateur Celt blog?
owners, podcasters, and minor newspaper reporters. Oh no,?
The York (Me.) Weekly, a national giant of professional sports 
reporting, now has free access to the Celt?locker room??

In doing so, Celt management has had to circle their info wagons. ?
"Show 'em only what we want them to write" has become their?
standard, protective modus operandi.? Thus all spin and?few?truths.? 
And what spin is reported?is merely being lifted from second-rate
sports?site to third-rate sports site, from blog to blog,?as a nation 
of sheep.

In the case of Garnett, management has learned their lesson. ?
They are now way too savvy to once again be caught in an?
outright lie about his medical status.? They have been advised
that?the public seldom forgives twice.? Yet how can they dampen?
advance ticket sales by admitting that the? "successful removal?
of bone spurs" from Garnett's knee did not necessarily preclude?
permanent damage to his patella tendon. Their advice from
their PR?consultants: better to say nothing.

Garnett can now walk without a limp, bend his knee. do full?
weight workouts, two-legged squats, and is in much less pain.?
And that's all reassuring.? But can he scrimmage at this point? ?
Will he be ready come Nov. 1?? Will he ever be the same talent?
he once was?? No, no, and no. ?

Enter Rasheed to hopefully fill in the blanks for Garnett's?
reduced minutes and effectiveness this season. ?

Egg ?

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From noah.evans at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 13:33:27 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 15:33:27 +0200
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
In-Reply-To: <200909081326.n88DQWHx010656@ares.afrc.af.mil>
References: <4EC45EDD.D223.4F56.8B6E.4166F54779E9@aol.com>
	<200909081326.n88DQWHx010656@ares.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <56a297000909080633y5d9bc2c1na4e89fe5b369e23f@mail.gmail.com>

There was also tendon damage. That's what Egg is alluding to.

Personally, KG should take his time. The regular season won't matter
nearly as much as having him healthy and rested for the playoffs.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:26 PM, <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> No news is good news?
>
> OR
>
> Batten down the hatches....thar's a No'eastah blowing through!
>
> Similar to other knee injuries I'd be willing to bet it would be a two year process. However, let's compare to another injured knee Celtic: Tony Allen.
>
> Allen's injury basically was more severe in the fact that there were actual tears to ligaments - the slowest healing muscle type in the body. BUT bone spurs are not often removed (I'm arguing with my own doc about a bone spur in my heel right now) given the removal usually causes more damage than the spur itself as it has to excised from the surrounding tissue.
>
> The biggest impediment to Allen's comeback - lack of confidence in his "explosiveness", which really was his game - he was not a jump shooter and his rebounding was predicated again on his quickness and leaping.
>
> The biggest impediment to Garnett will be on the defensive end - will he still have the superior lateral quickness (which made him a ferocious pick and roll defender)? His rebounding was both of quickness and positioning - I could see him easily leaning more on the box out and his length to remain a solid rebounder. Offensively, he IS a jump shooter - he is not beholden to his explosiveness to get points.
>
> So is this a death knell? No. ?Is it a festival of light? No to that too. This injury will have an effect - the question is does it make Kevin Garnett a mere mortal NBA player or will he retain enough of his past abilities to keep the Cs an upper echelon team? I'm betting on the latter just because he's one of the more competitive people I've seen on the floor (and that's an an ubercompetitive league). He seems to take things personally and people like that tend not to "fade" away.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:58 AM
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: GARNETT STATUS
>
> Wondering why we haven't heard recent news on Garnett's present
> status?
>
> For purposes of broadening their fan base, the Celtics smartly
> handed out press credentials to dozens of amateur Celt blog
> owners, podcasters, and minor newspaper reporters. Oh no,
> The York (Me.) Weekly, a national giant of professional sports
> reporting, now has free access to the Celt?locker room?
>
> In doing so, Celt management has had to circle their info wagons.
> "Show 'em only what we want them to write" has become their
> standard, protective modus operandi.? Thus all spin and?few?truths.
> And what spin is reported?is merely being lifted from second-rate
> sports?site to third-rate sports site, from blog to blog,?as a nation
> of sheep.
>
> In the case of Garnett, management has learned their lesson.
> They are now way too savvy to once again be caught in an
> outright lie about his medical status.? They have been advised
> that?the public seldom forgives twice.? Yet how can they dampen
> advance ticket sales by admitting that the? "successful removal
> of bone spurs" from Garnett's knee did not necessarily preclude
> permanent damage to his patella tendon. Their advice from
> their PR?consultants: better to say nothing.
>
> Garnett can now walk without a limp, bend his knee. do full
> weight workouts, two-legged squats, and is in much less pain.
> And that's all reassuring.? But can he scrimmage at this point?
> Will he be ready come Nov. 1?? Will he ever be the same talent
> he once was?? No, no, and no.
>
> Enter Rasheed to hopefully fill in the blanks for Garnett's
> reduced minutes and effectiveness this season.
>
> Egg
>
>
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 13:48:54 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 09:48:54 -0400
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909080633y5d9bc2c1na4e89fe5b369e23f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EC45EDD.D223.4F56.8B6E.4166F54779E9@aol.com>
	<200909081326.n88DQWHx010656@ares.afrc.af.mil>
	<56a297000909080633y5d9bc2c1na4e89fe5b369e23f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670909080648s28d57224q76e0d130cdb714d0@mail.gmail.com>

what I remember was that the tendons couldn't be fixed with surgery, just
rest - which would explain the lack of scrimmaging

of course, I'm not a doctor and in fact, I'm just an amateur Celt blogger,
so what do I know?

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:

> There was also tendon damage. That's what Egg is alluding to.
>
> Personally, KG should take his time. The regular season won't matter
> nearly as much as having him healthy and rested for the playoffs.
>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:26 PM, <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> > No news is good news?
> >
> > OR
> >
> > Batten down the hatches....thar's a No'eastah blowing through!
> >
> > Similar to other knee injuries I'd be willing to bet it would be a two
> year process. However, let's compare to another injured knee Celtic: Tony
> Allen.
> >
> > Allen's injury basically was more severe in the fact that there were
> actual tears to ligaments - the slowest healing muscle type in the body. BUT
> bone spurs are not often removed (I'm arguing with my own doc about a bone
> spur in my heel right now) given the removal usually causes more damage than
> the spur itself as it has to excised from the surrounding tissue.
> >
> > The biggest impediment to Allen's comeback - lack of confidence in his
> "explosiveness", which really was his game - he was not a jump shooter and
> his rebounding was predicated again on his quickness and leaping.
> >
> > The biggest impediment to Garnett will be on the defensive end - will he
> still have the superior lateral quickness (which made him a ferocious pick
> and roll defender)? His rebounding was both of quickness and positioning - I
> could see him easily leaning more on the box out and his length to remain a
> solid rebounder. Offensively, he IS a jump shooter - he is not beholden to
> his explosiveness to get points.
> >
> > So is this a death knell? No.  Is it a festival of light? No to that too.
> This injury will have an effect - the question is does it make Kevin Garnett
> a mere mortal NBA player or will he retain enough of his past abilities to
> keep the Cs an upper echelon team? I'm betting on the latter just because
> he's one of the more competitive people I've seen on the floor (and that's
> an an ubercompetitive league). He seems to take things personally and people
> like that tend not to "fade" away.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> Behalf Of eggcentric
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:58 AM
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Subject: GARNETT STATUS
> >
> > Wondering why we haven't heard recent news on Garnett's present
> > status?
> >
> > For purposes of broadening their fan base, the Celtics smartly
> > handed out press credentials to dozens of amateur Celt blog
> > owners, podcasters, and minor newspaper reporters. Oh no,
> > The York (Me.) Weekly, a national giant of professional sports
> > reporting, now has free access to the Celt locker room?
> >
> > In doing so, Celt management has had to circle their info wagons.
> > "Show 'em only what we want them to write" has become their
> > standard, protective modus operandi.  Thus all spin and few truths.
> > And what spin is reported is merely being lifted from second-rate
> > sports site to third-rate sports site, from blog to blog, as a nation
> > of sheep.
> >
> > In the case of Garnett, management has learned their lesson.
> > They are now way too savvy to once again be caught in an
> > outright lie about his medical status.  They have been advised
> > that the public seldom forgives twice.  Yet how can they dampen
> > advance ticket sales by admitting that the  "successful removal
> > of bone spurs" from Garnett's knee did not necessarily preclude
> > permanent damage to his patella tendon. Their advice from
> > their PR consultants: better to say nothing.
> >
> > Garnett can now walk without a limp, bend his knee. do full
> > weight workouts, two-legged squats, and is in much less pain.
> > And that's all reassuring.  But can he scrimmage at this point?
> > Will he be ready come Nov. 1?  Will he ever be the same talent
> > he once was?  No, no, and no.
> >
> > Enter Rasheed to hopefully fill in the blanks for Garnett's
> > reduced minutes and effectiveness this season.
> >
> > Egg
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > celtics at igtc.com
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> >
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Tue Sep  8 14:11:59 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:11:59 -0400
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <FA75360E.41C8.4413.811A.57DFF2EEEB11@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090908101159.6MFJL.82985.imail@eastrmwml39>

But he has a rag for an arm.  Throws like a sissy.  His knees are threfore irelevant.
---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> < This group would have sent poor Leon to speak with?
> a Obamacare death panel. > jahillsr?
> 
> Death squads in health care? Obama secretly born in Kenya? His?
> ?study hard and stay in school? address? is an effort to expand his
> ?cult in the classroom? ?
> 
> Politics has become an an art form designed to re-define reality.?
> 
> Maybe the Celts should sign Obama instead of your faves
> Brent Barry and Iverson.? He's not all that much older, would certainly
> be a?more effective clubhouse guy, and has played many less?
> years/minutes in the NBA.? In other words, Obama has better knees. ?
> 
> I also understand? (of course again through my unnamed ?sing like a?
> Canary? source) that Michelle has a mean Ray Allenesque?stroke
> from 3-point land.? Maybe Danny should just go for the 2fer and?
> cut his losses by releasing Tony Allen.
> ?
> Egg
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Tue Sep  8 14:13:04 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:13:04 -0400
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <C55517B2.3568.48E5.BB8F.A5578D609FFD@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090908101304.YXR3J.82999.imail@eastrmwml39>

Would have gone sooner if it wren''t for special tratment-the one Obama wants for all of us, including congress.
---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:02:23 PM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:
> 
> As long as it's the same quality care that Teddy got-then I'm
> all for it.
> -----------------
> 
> I?thought?I?had?heard?that Teddy died.
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Tue Sep  8 14:13:11 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:13:11 -0400
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
In-Reply-To: <200909081326.n88DQWHx010656@ares.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <F2BE27FE.ABB2.418C.9774.E1D6B9A82B1A@aol.com>


On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:26:31 AM, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote:

Similar to other knee injuries I'd be willing to bet it would be a two year process. However, let's compare to another injured knee Celtic: Tony Allen.
----------------

Garnett's knee injury might be more comparable to Mike Dunleavy's problem where it was discovered
that the bone spur(s) had done significant damage to his patella tendon. ?It was the mounting tendon 
damage that caused Garnett's pain - not the bone spurs unto themselves.

Dunleavy's operation was in early March, several months prior to Garnett's. ?And the Pacers are saying
now that?he might be back sooner than the originally estimated return date of Jan/Feb 2010.

At least Danny has provided for injuries to Garnett and ?Perk (shoulder) by signing
Rasheed Wallace, Sheldon Williams, and Big Baby. ?We now have six ?bigs including Scal.

From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Tue Sep  8 14:15:57 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:15:57 -0400
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <20090908101304.YXR3J.82999.imail@eastrmwml39>
References: <C55517B2.3568.48E5.BB8F.A5578D609FFD@aol.com>
	<20090908101304.YXR3J.82999.imail@eastrmwml39>
Message-ID: <200909081415.n88EFwBO005492@ares.afrc.af.mil>

Can we take the Health care debate off list please? Given it's volatile nature, despite the surgery related angle - it's not good material for a Celtics board.

Thank you.


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of bradybonz at cox.net
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:13 AM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?

Would have gone sooner if it wren''t for special tratment-the one Obama wants for all of us, including congress.
---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:02:23 PM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:
> 
> As long as it's the same quality care that Teddy got-then I'm
> all for it.
> -----------------
> 
> I?thought?I?had?heard?that Teddy died.
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From BDodgers at aol.com  Tue Sep  8 14:23:29 2009
From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:23:29 EDT
Subject: NBA Washout David Vaughn Back From The Depths of Despair
Message-ID: <c21.56b8b813.37d7c2e1@aol.com>

 
NBA Washout David Vaughn  Back From The Depths of Despair
 
ORLANDO -- _David Vaughn_ (http://www.fanhouse.com/tag/David+Vaughn/)  
would doze off at night thinking about  the thick, fluffy towels and those 
cool-to-the-touch, soft white sheets that he  used to pull up around his chin 
when he slept so soundly at the posh Ritz  Carlton, his home-away-from-home 
when he played in the National Basketball  Association.

Unfortunately, he would wake up soon afterward, realizing he  was back to 
reality, living on the streets in Orlando, sleeping with one eye  open, in 
places that often embarrassed him.

There was that dank, dusty  storage shed that a friend rented for $39 a 
month and gave him the extra key so  he could at least get out of the rain at 
night. Nobody bothered him there but  the cockroaches.


There  was the back of his old Chevy Impala, which was a little cramped for 
a 6-foot-9,  250-pound man. The bigger issue was the middle-of-the-night 
taps on the window  by law enforcement when he parked in a bad spot, or even 
worse when he was  awakened by the gunshots of the drug dealers outside.

There was the  homeless shelter, which wasn't always available because it 
was first-come,  first-served and it usually filled up fast with grown men 
wheezing or crying or  snoring and people always asking questions.

Then there was the clean and  comfortable local hospital, where he 
eventually ended up because the infection  from the multiple spider bites on his toe 
had grown so out of control and spiked  his fever that doctors wanted to 
amputate his grotesque-looking foot before it  cost him the entire leg.

That's where he woke up one day to find his  estranged wife crying beside 
his hospital bed, begging him to come home again,  even if it meant violating 
the court order that prevented him from being within  500 feet of her.

Living on the street almost killed him.

Praying  for forgiveness literally saved him.

"I feel lucky to still be alive,''  Vaughn said last week when we met at 
the downtown public library, heaven for an  avid reader and a day-time haven 
for anyone living on the streets. It's where he  felt comfortable enough to 
sit and talk about his life after basketball, about  his downward spiral, 
about hitting bottom nine months ago in that hospital room,  and his rebirth 
through the last several months.

"I went from the  pinnacle of having it all, to the pits of having 
absolutely nothing, and seeing  no light at the end of the tunnel,'' he said. "I was 
a mess, but I didn't want  to end up in hell. And now I'm on my way back.''

Vaughn, 36, wasn't much  different in 2008 than the thousands of homeless 
people living in cities across  America, except he had fallen out of the 
penthouse, a former first-round draft  pick of the Orlando Magic in 1995 who 
washed out of the league after four years,  and with no idea where to turn 
next. 

Vaughn came from the University of  Memphis, a big, strong power forward 
who shined in college basketball, but  struggled to carve his niche in the 
NBA, never living up to expectations. He  played in Europe for a couple years 
afterward, bounced through a few teams, even  returned home to try the Harlem 
Globetrotters for a short period. 

But he  lost his passion for the game, then lost everything else, including 
his wife,  two children and his self esteem.

His original three-year guaranteed  contract with the Magic didn't come 
with any guarantees of a successful life.  The contract didn't come with a 
course in life management skills, and he had  none when his basketball career f
inished. He had no degree after three years in  college, and no real desire 
to get one.

"We're fortunate that he's still  with us, after all he has been through 
the last few years,'' said Kyle Rote, Jr.  his former agent who has kept in 
and out of contact with him and his wife. "A  lot of guys would be dead. I've 
always said `it's a lot harder to get out of  big-time professional sports 
than it is to get into it.' You get sucked into  that lifestyle, and there's 
no easy way out.''

Despite all the low  moments -- the domestic violence arrest and two jail 
stays, the failed drug  tests, the broken up family, the broken down body, 
the depression that followed,  and the year on the streets -- Vaughn's story 
does not have a sad  ending.

It's a comeback story with a happy new start. It's a story about  a good 
family man now whose life has come back together as he looks for a new  job, 
looking forward to being there for his two kids and his wife and for  
himself, a rock for them to lean on instead of a dope for failing  them.

There is no bitterness in his voice, only the joy that he has found  in the 
last nine months and the hope for a bright and simple future. He speaks  
confidently about his plans and he smiles a lot. 

"I have no regrets,  except for what I put my family through,'' he said. 
"I'm a lot smarter now. I  made it to the NBA, which was a dream of mine. I 
just didn't know what to do  when I got there. The money doesn't last forever. 
It comes and goes. I made a  lot of bad choices. Now I just want to get a 
decent job, drive a truck, be a  security guard, maybe coach a little. I'd be 
happy with that life. My wife stuck  with me through the hard times -- and 
I'm grateful -- and we made it through the  storm.''

Vaughn's NBA career included two seasons in Orlando, then  another two 
split between Golden State, Chicago and New Jersey. Through four  seasons, he 
played in just 118 games, averaging only 9.8 minutes a game. He then  played 
parts of three seasons in Europe.

The money he made in basketball  ? the most was $600,000 in each of his 
first three seasons ? is long gone. He  bought more cars than he could ever 
drive, a house too big for himself when he  was single, too many clothes and 
too much jewelry, sending too much money to  relatives back in Memphis.

When his basketball career ended in 2003, he  came back to Orlando looking 
for work. He unloaded trucks at a grocery store. He  moved packages at 
Federal Express. He tried his own one-man moving company. He  worked for three 
years at a furniture store driving and unloading trucks. He was  good at it, 
too, but he was laid off when the store stopped their delivery  service.

Even when he lived on the street, he often was working. He just  wasn't 
making enough money to support both him and his family that he couldn't  
legally see. They had a small apartment. He had the street. His paychecks  usually 
went to them. 

"We look back now, at all the trials and  tribulations we went through, and 
say `wow. We made it through,''' said Brandi  Vaughn, his wife and mother 
of his two children. "It was a battle. When he was  playing basketball, we 
had it all, but we were foolish. We separated, but I  never divorced him, even 
when the judge said I should. We fought the good fight,  and we made it 
through.''

Vaughn today is collecting unemployment,  getting $250 per week, still 
looking for another job. He and the family live  together in Southwest Orlando. 
He likes nothing better than watching his two  sons playing football in the 
courtyard outside their apartment. 

They  have little money, but they never have been happier. He thinks back 
to the '90s  when he played in the NBA, living large and acting wild like a 
child with too  many quarters in an arcade.

"I used to come to this library a lot when I  had nowhere else to go,'' he 
said. "If I had any advice for the young guys  coming into the league today, 
it's prepare for a future beyond basketball. If  you're not careful, ever
ything can disappear.'' 


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From eggcentric at aol.com  Tue Sep  8 14:29:16 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Tue, 08 Sep 2009 10:29:16 -0400
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909080648s28d57224q76e0d130cdb714d0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8226EBE.8181.4179.BE9E.EB820FADCB50@aol.com>


On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:48:54 AM, jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:

what I remember was that the tendons couldn't be fixed with surgery, just
rest - which would explain the lack of scrimmaging

of course, I'm not a doctor and in fact, I'm just an amateur Celt blogger,
so what do I know?
-------------

You are way too modest, Jeff. ?You run a site which is ever interesting and stimulating to Celt fans 
with your?simply?reprinting every latest transaction, rumor, false column, quote, etc. etc. that pertains 
to the Celts. ?Thus you remain free of enemies, fair, balanced, and noncommittal.

Heck, if I didn't know better, ?I might even call your CelticsBlog site the bible of Celtspeak.
Like "You heard it first here ... oops ... I mean second."

Fondly,
Egg

From bradybonz at cox.net  Tue Sep  8 14:32:57 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:32:57 -0400
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <200909081415.n88EFwBO005492@ares.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <20090908103257.4Q66U.83314.imail@eastrmwml39>

I didna't start it, just finished it.
---- Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: 
> Can we take the Health care debate off list please? Given it's volatile nature, despite the surgery related angle - it's not good material for a Celtics board.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of bradybonz at cox.net
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:13 AM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
> 
> Would have gone sooner if it wren''t for special tratment-the one Obama wants for all of us, including congress.
> ---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:02:23 PM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:
> > 
> > As long as it's the same quality care that Teddy got-then I'm
> > all for it.
> > -----------------
> > 
> > I?thought?I?had?heard?that Teddy died.
> > _______________________________________________
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 14:35:24 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:35:24 -0400
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
In-Reply-To: <C8226EBE.8181.4179.BE9E.EB820FADCB50@aol.com>
References: <84e131670909080648s28d57224q76e0d130cdb714d0@mail.gmail.com>
	<C8226EBE.8181.4179.BE9E.EB820FADCB50@aol.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670909080735r2295a20m1824cd357c596428@mail.gmail.com>

success!!!

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:29 AM, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

>
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:48:54 AM, jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
>
> what I remember was that the tendons couldn't be fixed with surgery, just
> rest - which would explain the lack of scrimmaging
>
> of course, I'm not a doctor and in fact, I'm just an amateur Celt blogger,
> so what do I know?
> -------------
>
> You are way too modest, Jeff.  You run a site which is ever interesting and
> stimulating to Celt fans
> with your simply reprinting every latest transaction, rumor, false column,
> quote, etc. etc. that pertains
> to the Celts.  Thus you remain free of enemies, fair, balanced, and
> noncommittal.
>
> Heck, if I didn't know better,  I might even call your CelticsBlog site the
> bible of Celtspeak.
> Like "You heard it first here ... oops ... I mean second."
>
> Fondly,
> Egg
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From fthurley at gmail.com  Tue Sep  8 14:38:27 2009
From: fthurley at gmail.com (Frederick Hurley)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 10:38:27 -0400
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <20090908103257.4Q66U.83314.imail@eastrmwml39>
References: <200909081415.n88EFwBO005492@ares.afrc.af.mil> 
	<20090908103257.4Q66U.83314.imail@eastrmwml39>
Message-ID: <ea1253fa0909080738v4c09c7f2sb52209d6ab5dc069@mail.gmail.com>

I hate people.  I really do.  I'm officially rooting for the comet.

On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM, <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:
> I didna't start it, just finished it.
> ---- Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote:
>> Can we take the Health care debate off list please? Given it's volatile nature, despite the surgery related angle - it's not good material for a Celtics board.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of bradybonz at cox.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:13 AM
>> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
>>
>> Would have gone sooner if it wren''t for special tratment-the one Obama wants for all of us, including congress.
>> ---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:02:23 PM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:
>> >
>> > As long as it's the same quality care that Teddy got-then I'm
>> > all for it.
>> > -----------------
>> >
>> > I?thought?I?had?heard?that Teddy died.
>> > _______________________________________________
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Tue Sep  8 15:00:58 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:00:58 -0400
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <ea1253fa0909080738v4c09c7f2sb52209d6ab5dc069@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090908110058.9EPMA.83843.imail@eastrmwml39>

Wouldl that be the one possibly heading for us Dec. 21, 2012?  I hope the C's aren't on the road that day.
---- Frederick Hurley <fthurley at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I hate people.  I really do.  I'm officially rooting for the comet.
> 
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:32 AM, <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:
> > I didna't start it, just finished it.
> > ---- Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote:
> >> Can we take the Health care debate off list please? Given it's volatile nature, despite the surgery related angle - it's not good material for a Celtics board.
> >>
> >> Thank you.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of bradybonz at cox.net
> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:13 AM
> >> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
> >>
> >> Would have gone sooner if it wren''t for special tratment-the one Obama wants for all of us, including congress.
> >> ---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:02:23 PM, bradybonz at cox.net wrote:
> >> >
> >> > As long as it's the same quality care that Teddy got-then I'm
> >> > all for it.
> >> > -----------------
> >> >
> >> > I?thought?I?had?heard?that Teddy died.
> >> > _______________________________________________
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Tue Sep  8 18:30:50 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 11:30:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
In-Reply-To: <F2BE27FE.ABB2.418C.9774.E1D6B9A82B1A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <338853.17276.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Whoa--this is some completely new information, Egg, if you weren't speculating.  From all we've been told, there was no 'significant damage to KG's patella tendon.'  From what I remember, DA et al said there was 'no structural damage.'  From what we've been told, his bone chips were removed and three days later he felt no pain.  There was no mention of a patella tendon injury or of a surgery to repair damage to the patella tendon.  What's this 'mounting tendon pain' you reference?  It could just as easily be the pain of the bone chips rubbing up against the tendon as it could be 'significant damage.'  Until we hear otherwise, I'll go with the former.

As for Pat's point, TA's problem wasn't the health of his knee, it was the health of his ego--he didn't trust his body and that lack of confidence infected his court game.  I severely doubt KG will have that same problem, though, since it's his first injury, anything's possible.

Ryan
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

> From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> Subject: RE: GARNETT STATUS
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 9:13 AM
> 
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:26:31 AM, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> wrote:
> 
> Similar to other knee injuries I'd be willing to bet it
> would be a two year process. However, let's compare to
> another injured knee Celtic: Tony Allen.
> ----------------
> 
> Garnett's knee injury might be more comparable to Mike
> Dunleavy's problem where it was discovered
> that the bone spur(s) had done significant damage to his
> patella tendon. ?It was the mounting tendon 
> damage that caused Garnett's pain - not the bone spurs unto
> themselves.
> 
> Dunleavy's operation was in early March, several months
> prior to Garnett's. ?And the Pacers are saying
> now that?he might be back sooner than the originally
> estimated return date of Jan/Feb 2010.
> 
> At least Danny has provided for injuries to Garnett and
> ?Perk (shoulder) by signing
> Rasheed Wallace, Sheldon Williams, and Big Baby. ?We now
> have six ?bigs including Scal.
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From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Tue Sep  8 18:43:11 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 14:43:11 -0400
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
In-Reply-To: <338853.17276.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <F2BE27FE.ABB2.418C.9774.E1D6B9A82B1A@aol.com>
	<338853.17276.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200909081843.n88IhEG9029419@ares.afrc.af.mil>

The health of one's knee or ego is irrelevant if either one or the other hinders performance. They both are integral to one's ability to use the body in performance of basketball activities. 

Actual injury or fear of use to prevent another injury (or fear the injury isn't fully healed) still ends up with the same result - impaired performance.


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:31 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: RE: GARNETT STATUS

Whoa--this is some completely new information, Egg, if you weren't speculating.  From all we've been told, there was no 'significant damage to KG's patella tendon.'  From what I remember, DA et al said there was 'no structural damage.'  From what we've been told, his bone chips were removed and three days later he felt no pain.  There was no mention of a patella tendon injury or of a surgery to repair damage to the patella tendon.  What's this 'mounting tendon pain' you reference?  It could just as easily be the pain of the bone chips rubbing up against the tendon as it could be 'significant damage.'  Until we hear otherwise, I'll go with the former.

As for Pat's point, TA's problem wasn't the health of his knee, it was the health of his ego--he didn't trust his body and that lack of confidence infected his court game.  I severely doubt KG will have that same problem, though, since it's his first injury, anything's possible.

Ryan
--- On Tue, 9/8/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

> From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> Subject: RE: GARNETT STATUS
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 9:13 AM
> 
> On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:26:31 AM, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> wrote:
> 
> Similar to other knee injuries I'd be willing to bet it
> would be a two year process. However, let's compare to
> another injured knee Celtic: Tony Allen.
> ----------------
> 
> Garnett's knee injury might be more comparable to Mike
> Dunleavy's problem where it was discovered
> that the bone spur(s) had done significant damage to his
> patella tendon. ?It was the mounting tendon 
> damage that caused Garnett's pain - not the bone spurs unto
> themselves.
> 
> Dunleavy's operation was in early March, several months
> prior to Garnett's. ?And the Pacers are saying
> now that?he might be back sooner than the originally
> estimated return date of Jan/Feb 2010.
> 
> At least Danny has provided for injuries to Garnett and
> ?Perk (shoulder) by signing
> Rasheed Wallace, Sheldon Williams, and Big Baby. ?We now
> have six ?bigs including Scal.
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From tsb33 at windstream.net  Wed Sep  9 03:08:40 2009
From: tsb33 at windstream.net (TroySusieBrady)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 23:08:40 -0400
Subject: Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse!!!
Message-ID: <007501ca30fa$d5411550$6601a8c0@troyscomputer>

Just read that there is a good chance we will see "replacement" refs this
year!  As if the real ones weren't bad enough, we now get to see the refs
not good enough to be NBA refs to start with!  Looks like having depth this
year will be a must.  I see a lot of inconsistent, bad calls coming, and we
have to deal with the new refs too!!

From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  9 04:19:49 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 21:19:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: GARNETT STATUS
In-Reply-To: <200909081843.n88IhEG9029419@ares.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <844856.26244.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Agreed; my earlier reply was formulated to only one part of your post--the part included in Egg's post.  My bad.

Ryan

--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:

> From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> Subject: RE: GARNETT STATUS
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 1:43 PM
> The health of one's knee or ego is
> irrelevant if either one or the other hinders performance.
> They both are integral to one's ability to use the body in
> performance of basketball activities. 
> 
> Actual injury or fear of use to prevent another injury (or
> fear the injury isn't fully healed) still ends up with the
> same result - impaired performance.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf Of Ryan W
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 2:31 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: RE: GARNETT STATUS
> 
> Whoa--this is some completely new information, Egg, if you
> weren't speculating.? From all we've been told, there
> was no 'significant damage to KG's patella tendon.'?
> From what I remember, DA et al said there was 'no structural
> damage.'? From what we've been told, his bone chips
> were removed and three days later he felt no pain.?
> There was no mention of a patella tendon injury or of a
> surgery to repair damage to the patella tendon.? What's
> this 'mounting tendon pain' you reference?? It could
> just as easily be the pain of the bone chips rubbing up
> against the tendon as it could be 'significant
> damage.'? Until we hear otherwise, I'll go with the
> former.
> 
> As for Pat's point, TA's problem wasn't the health of his
> knee, it was the health of his ego--he didn't trust his body
> and that lack of confidence infected his court game.? I
> severely doubt KG will have that same problem, though, since
> it's his first injury, anything's possible.
> 
> Ryan
> --- On Tue, 9/8/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> > Subject: RE: GARNETT STATUS
> > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 9:13 AM
> > 
> > On Sep 8, 2009, at 9:26:31 AM, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Similar to other knee injuries I'd be willing to bet
> it
> > would be a two year process. However, let's compare
> to
> > another injured knee Celtic: Tony Allen.
> > ----------------
> > 
> > Garnett's knee injury might be more comparable to
> Mike
> > Dunleavy's problem where it was discovered
> > that the bone spur(s) had done significant damage to
> his
> > patella tendon. ?It was the mounting tendon 
> > damage that caused Garnett's pain - not the bone spurs
> unto
> > themselves.
> > 
> > Dunleavy's operation was in early March, several
> months
> > prior to Garnett's. ?And the Pacers are saying
> > now that?he might be back sooner than the originally
> > estimated return date of Jan/Feb 2010.
> > 
> > At least Danny has provided for injuries to Garnett
> and
> > ?Perk (shoulder) by signing
> > Rasheed Wallace, Sheldon Williams, and Big Baby. ?We
> now
> > have six ?bigs including Scal.
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  9 17:45:31 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:45:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
Message-ID: <399851.2770.qm@web110115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The man of a thousand rumours...

http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume


Mark the Calendar for Sep 27, 2009, Minnesota and Boston Have Engaged in Low Level Talks Concerning Chucky Atkins and Damien Wilkins ...

Follow Me Here, Much Like Barry Situation in Hou, Atkins Could Be B.O. Prior 27th. Giddy, Scal and TAllen Been Connected to Both Rumors ...


      


From bradybonz at cox.net  Wed Sep  9 18:02:09 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 14:02:09 -0400
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
In-Reply-To: <399851.2770.qm@web110115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090909140209.XEH9V.104285.imail@eastrmwml35>

Then who is that man running the white house?
---- Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> 
> 
> Follow Me Here, Much Like Barry Situation in Hou, Atkins Could Be B.O..
> 
> 
>       
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  9 22:28:40 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 15:28:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
In-Reply-To: <200909081415.n88EFwBO005492@ares.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <926726.79875.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Right, Pat, this is not the appropriate forum for health care reform talk.  Luckily, I've just created the appropriate forum for all things political.  If anyone's interested, I just posted on the ongoing health care debate.  Enjoy!

http://low-talker.blogspot.com/

--- On Tue, 9/8/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:

> From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> Subject: RE: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Tuesday, September 8, 2009, 9:15 AM
> Can we take the Health care debate
> off list please? Given it's volatile nature, despite the
> surgery related angle - it's not good material for a Celtics
> board.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf Of bradybonz at cox.net
> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 10:13 AM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: OT Seymour traded for a 1st?
> 
> Would have gone sooner if it wren''t for special
> tratment-the one Obama wants for all of us, including
> congress.
> ---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> wrote: 
> > 
> > On Sep 7, 2009, at 12:02:23 PM, bradybonz at cox.net
> wrote:
> > 
> > As long as it's the same quality care that Teddy
> got-then I'm
> > all for it.
> > -----------------
> > 
> > I?thought?I?had?heard?that Teddy died.
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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 01:48:10 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 18:48:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
In-Reply-To: <399851.2770.qm@web110115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <99134.55896.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

how are we talking w/the t-wolves when McHale isn't there anymore??

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
To: "Celtics Stuff" <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>, "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:45 PM

The man of a thousand rumours...

http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume


Mark the Calendar for Sep 27, 2009, Minnesota and Boston Have Engaged in Low Level Talks Concerning Chucky Atkins and Damien Wilkins ...

Follow Me Here, Much Like Barry Situation in Hou, Atkins Could Be B.O. Prior 27th. Giddy, Scal and TAllen Been Connected to Both Rumors ...


? ? ? 

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From bradybonz at cox.net  Thu Sep 10 02:43:15 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 22:43:15 -0400
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
In-Reply-To: <99134.55896.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090909224315.KAREZ.112075.imail@eastrmwml30>

Not only that, but it can't be true, as Egg pointed out no one wants our expiring contracts. It's got to be someone's idea of a practical joke.
---- Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> how are we talking w/the t-wolves when McHale isn't there anymore??
> 
> --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
> To: "Celtics Stuff" <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>, "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:45 PM
> 
> The man of a thousand rumours...
> 
> http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
> 
> 
> Mark the Calendar for Sep 27, 2009, Minnesota and Boston Have Engaged in Low Level Talks Concerning Chucky Atkins and Damien Wilkins ...
> 
> Follow Me Here, Much Like Barry Situation in Hou, Atkins Could Be B.O. Prior 27th. Giddy, Scal and TAllen Been Connected to Both Rumors ...
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Thu Sep 10 02:55:35 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Wed, 09 Sep 2009 22:55:35 -0400
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
In-Reply-To: <99134.55896.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <399851.2770.qm@web110115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<99134.55896.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KPQ00KMGIU64H53@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

Given their not particularly bright draft day I'd have to say slowly 
and in words of one syllable, with pictagrams handy.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Kim

At 09:48 PM 9/9/2009, Ellie Cutler wrote:
>how are we talking w/the t-wolves when McHale isn't there anymore??
>
>--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
>To: "Celtics Stuff" <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>, "Celtics 
>Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>
>Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:45 PM
>
>The man of a thousand rumours...
>
>http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
>
>
>Mark the Calendar for Sep 27, 2009, Minnesota and Boston Have 
>Engaged in Low Level Talks Concerning Chucky Atkins and Damien Wilkins ...
>
>Follow Me Here, Much Like Barry Situation in Hou, Atkins Could Be 
>B.O. Prior 27th. Giddy, Scal and TAllen Been Connected to Both Rumors ...
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 11:58:34 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 04:58:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
In-Reply-To: <0KPQ00KMGIU64H53@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <863826.75008.qm@web63101.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Ah, Rubio will show up at some point and legions of young girls will become t-wolves fans.? They're probably already twitter followers!

Ellie

--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:55 PM

Given their not particularly bright draft day I'd have to say slowly 
and in words of one syllable, with pictagrams handy.
Sorry, couldn't resist.
Kim

At 09:48 PM 9/9/2009, Ellie Cutler wrote:
>how are we talking w/the t-wolves when McHale isn't there anymore??
>
>--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
>To: "Celtics Stuff" <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>, "Celtics 
>Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>
>Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:45 PM
>
>The man of a thousand rumours...
>
>http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
>
>
>Mark the Calendar for Sep 27, 2009, Minnesota and Boston Have 
>Engaged in Low Level Talks Concerning Chucky Atkins and Damien Wilkins ...
>
>Follow Me Here, Much Like Barry Situation in Hou, Atkins Could Be 
>B.O. Prior 27th. Giddy, Scal and TAllen Been Connected to Both Rumors ...
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 12:02:50 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 08:02:50 -0400
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
In-Reply-To: <863826.75008.qm@web63101.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <0KPQ00KMGIU64H53@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>
	<863826.75008.qm@web63101.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670909100502g51f2d100i866e87e8b24870a4@mail.gmail.com>

"low level talks" - sounds like Brian Doo asking their trainer "so, can
Chucky still walk without a limp?"

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>wrote:

> Ah, Rubio will show up at some point and legions of young girls will become
> t-wolves fans.  They're probably already twitter followers!
>
> Ellie
>
> --- On Wed, 9/9/09, Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
> From: Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 10:55 PM
>
> Given their not particularly bright draft day I'd have to say slowly
> and in words of one syllable, with pictagrams handy.
> Sorry, couldn't resist.
> Kim
>
> At 09:48 PM 9/9/2009, Ellie Cutler wrote:
> >how are we talking w/the t-wolves when McHale isn't there anymore??
> >
> >--- On Wed, 9/9/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> >Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
> >To: "Celtics Stuff" <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>, "Celtics
> >Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> >Date: Wednesday, September 9, 2009, 1:45 PM
> >
> >The man of a thousand rumours...
> >
> >http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
> >
> >
> >Mark the Calendar for Sep 27, 2009, Minnesota and Boston Have
> >Engaged in Low Level Talks Concerning Chucky Atkins and Damien Wilkins ...
> >
> >Follow Me Here, Much Like Barry Situation in Hou, Atkins Could Be
> >B.O. Prior 27th. Giddy, Scal and TAllen Been Connected to Both Rumors ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> >celtics at igtc.com
> >http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Thu Sep 10 14:47:48 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 10:47:48 -0400
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
In-Reply-To: <399851.2770.qm@web110115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5886DD41.A4FF.4034.ACD5.38FEFB946E19@aol.com>


On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:45:31 PM, "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:

http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
-----------

Who is Matthew D. Hume??

From jeffclark at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 15:05:53 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:05:53 -0400
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
In-Reply-To: <5886DD41.A4FF.4034.ACD5.38FEFB946E19@aol.com>
References: <399851.2770.qm@web110115.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5886DD41.A4FF.4034.ACD5.38FEFB946E19@aol.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670909100805t478bb278q186b1883339a58c1@mail.gmail.com>

good question

all I know aside from his tweets (where he claims to have inside info on the
C's, Pats, Sox, and Bruins) is that he used to be one of the people that ran
newenglandsportsblog.com

you can see some past C's rumors from him here:

http://newenglandsportsblog.com/forums.html?func=view&catid=12&id=444

feel free to come to your own conclusions

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

>
> On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:45:31 PM, "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
> -----------
>
> Who is Matthew D. Hume?
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Thu Sep 10 15:37:34 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 11:37:34 -0400
Subject: Celtics In Low Level Talks With Minnesota
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909100805t478bb278q186b1883339a58c1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090910113734.0X3LX.117589.imail@eastrmwml35>

Well Minnesota and the Hornets just made a three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out. Chalk up another rumor
---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote: 
> good question
> 
> all I know aside from his tweets (where he claims to have inside info on the
> C's, Pats, Sox, and Bruins) is that he used to be one of the people that ran
> newenglandsportsblog.com
> 
> you can see some past C's rumors from him here:
> 
> http://newenglandsportsblog.com/forums.html?func=view&catid=12&id=444
> 
> feel free to come to your own conclusions
> 
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > On Sep 9, 2009, at 1:45:31 PM, "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > http://twitter.com/MatthewDHume
> > -----------
> >
> > Who is Matthew D. Hume?
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From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 10 21:07:33 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 14:07:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Celtics/Minny
Message-ID: <989598.19981.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>Well Minnesota and the Hornets just made a three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out. Chalk up another rumor

Why? The Wolves gave up a shooting PF and a backup guard for another guard. Acquiring Scal and Tony would offset the losses of Songaila and Wilkins; and with Antonio Daniels able to play the point, you could argue that they don't need Atkins, especially since they're loaded with PGs.

Let me say, I think Boston could get more for these expiring contracts as the season goes on. But Atkins would fill the team's biggest perceived weakness without balking about playing time; and Wilkins, while maybe not any better defensively than Marquis, has two inches on Tony, so he'd likely be able to defend the three (and thereby fill our other perceived need for one more large swingman). On top of everything else, a 3-for-2 deal would open up another roster spot, so we could sign Hudson and still have an available slot for someone else.

nb because Atkins and Wilkins were recently traded, Minny can't move them again until the end of the month. So if this deal happens, it will be a couple weeks from now. Hopefully Danny can get a better offer, but it's somewhat encouraging if he's continuing to look at ways to strengthen the roster.

>>The New Orleans Hornets improved their depth Wednesday by completing a trade with the Minnesota Timberwolves that sends guard Antonio Daniels to the Wolves for forward Darius Songaila and guard Bobby Brown.


      


From bradybonz at cox.net  Thu Sep 10 21:34:03 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:34:03 -0400
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <989598.19981.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090910173403.GK8M9.126296.imail@eastrmwml32>

I don't think they'll move Scal or Tony until mid season.  I agree that they are worth more at that point than right now.  But I didn't see or hear of anything involving the C's or Atkins.  I wouldn't waste a spot on him just yet despite our need for a legitimate backup pg.  I'd stand pat and roll the dice as is, and see what happens come mid season. I'd be shocked if it was anything but a rumor, as Ray has been wrong before.
---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> >Well Minnesota and the Hornets just made a three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out. Chalk up another rumor
> 
> Why? The Wolves gave up a shooting PF and a backup guard for another guard. Acquiring Scal and Tony would offset the losses of Songaila and Wilkins; and with Antonio Daniels able to play the point, you could argue that they don't need Atkins, especially since they're loaded with PGs.
> 
> Let me say, I think Boston could get more for these expiring contracts as the season goes on. But Atkins would fill the team's biggest perceived weakness without balking about playing time; and Wilkins, while maybe not any better defensively than Marquis, has two inches on Tony, so he'd likely be able to defend the three (and thereby fill our other perceived need for one more large swingman). On top of everything else, a 3-for-2 deal would open up another roster spot, so we could sign Hudson and still have an available slot for someone else.
> 
> nb because Atkins and Wilkins were recently traded, Minny can't move them again until the end of the month. So if this deal happens, it will be a couple weeks from now. Hopefully Danny can get a better offer, but it's somewhat encouraging if he's continuing to look at ways to strengthen the roster.
> 
> >>The New Orleans Hornets improved their depth Wednesday by completing a trade with the Minnesota Timberwolves that sends guard Antonio Daniels to the Wolves for forward Darius Songaila and guard Bobby Brown.
> 
> 
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From noah.evans at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 21:40:47 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 23:40:47 +0200
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <20090910173403.GK8M9.126296.imail@eastrmwml32>
References: <989598.19981.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20090910173403.GK8M9.126296.imail@eastrmwml32>
Message-ID: <56a297000909101440r44c197e7w2a94877001be988c@mail.gmail.com>

Moving Scal is silly. Just resign him for less unless he's party of a
package for a huge talent upgrade.

Scal may not be talented, but he's done far more for the chemistry and
makeup of our team than anyone has given him credit for.

Noah

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM,  <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:
> I don't think they'll move Scal or Tony until mid season. ?I agree that they are worth more at that point than right now. ?But I didn't see or hear of anything involving the C's or Atkins. ?I wouldn't waste a spot on him just yet despite our need for a legitimate backup pg. ?I'd stand pat and roll the dice as is, and see what happens come mid season. I'd be shocked if it was anything but a rumor, as Ray has been wrong before.
> ---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >Well Minnesota and the Hornets just made a three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out. Chalk up another rumor
>>
>> Why? The Wolves gave up a shooting PF and a backup guard for another guard. Acquiring Scal and Tony would offset the losses of Songaila and Wilkins; and with Antonio Daniels able to play the point, you could argue that they don't need Atkins, especially since they're loaded with PGs.
>>
>> Let me say, I think Boston could get more for these expiring contracts as the season goes on. But Atkins would fill the team's biggest perceived weakness without balking about playing time; and Wilkins, while maybe not any better defensively than Marquis, has two inches on Tony, so he'd likely be able to defend the three (and thereby fill our other perceived need for one more large swingman). On top of everything else, a 3-for-2 deal would open up another roster spot, so we could sign Hudson and still have an available slot for someone else.
>>
>> nb because Atkins and Wilkins were recently traded, Minny can't move them again until the end of the month. So if this deal happens, it will be a couple weeks from now. Hopefully Danny can get a better offer, but it's somewhat encouraging if he's continuing to look at ways to strengthen the roster.
>>
>> >>The New Orleans Hornets improved their depth Wednesday by completing a trade with the Minnesota Timberwolves that sends guard Antonio Daniels to the Wolves for forward Darius Songaila and guard Bobby Brown.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From noah.evans at gmail.com  Thu Sep 10 22:20:22 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 00:20:22 +0200
Subject: He should do this for games.
Message-ID: <56a297000909101520n29869fa9j4043d297b6b4e346@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.celticsblog.com/2009/9/9/1023361/can-i-has-3-pointer


From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 11 01:38:35 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 18:38:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Celtics To Unleash The Full Force Of The Dickau Death Star On The
	Rest Of The NBA 
Message-ID: <357999.35013.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Dan Dickau,
Ladies and Germs has been invited to Celtics training camp.
Well, he doesn't have a lot of competition at the moment for 
the 3rd PG spot, what with non-PG Lester Hudson being a poor-to-middle
class version of Nate Robinson. Jon Niednagel, the Celtics brain doctor
says Dickau can shoot and handle trapping pressure, after examing
Dickau's PET scan. 
Ray 


      


From bosox18 at charter.net  Fri Sep 11 14:50:55 2009
From: bosox18 at charter.net (Steve Ouellette)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 10:50:55 -0400
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909101440r44c197e7w2a94877001be988c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <989598.19981.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><20090910173403.GK8M9.126296.imail@eastrmwml32>
	<56a297000909101440r44c197e7w2a94877001be988c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FC646CA528B4F64990270153132167E@StevePC>


Never thought I'd see an NBA where Allan Iverson signed for short-term "Scal
money".

Steve O
-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
Of Noah Evans
Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:41 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny

Moving Scal is silly. Just resign him for less unless he's party of a
package for a huge talent upgrade.

Scal may not be talented, but he's done far more for the chemistry and
makeup of our team than anyone has given him credit for.

Noah



From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 11 16:55:28 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 09:55:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909101440r44c197e7w2a94877001be988c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <729488.59686.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Just to piggyback on Noah's comment a bit: I think Scal stays in the mix until KG shows that he's back to 100%.  Scal may not be a lot of things, but he's a pretty decent KG sub on a short term basis and I don't think you give that up until you know KG has recovered from his surgery.  I wouldn't go as far as to say we should resign Scal, but he does have value in an offense run by Rondo...

FYI: Marc Spears has a nice article about KG's progress at http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak78rD4d87kMgSKHy1AAarpzK7J_?slug=mc-garnettceltics091009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

He also reports that Danny hasn't decided whether he's going to offer Rondo an extension.  What?  I'd understand pessimism regarding coming to an agreement that satisfies both parties, but not even an offer?  What's the harm in making a fair offer?  I don't see any.

Ryan

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:40 PM
> Moving Scal is silly. Just resign him
> for less unless he's party of a
> package for a huge talent upgrade.
> 
> Scal may not be talented, but he's done far more for the
> chemistry and
> makeup of our team than anyone has given him credit for.
> 
> Noah
> 
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM,? <bradybonz at cox.net>
> wrote:
> > I don't think they'll move Scal or Tony until mid
> season. ?I agree that they are worth more at that point
> than right now. ?But I didn't see or hear of anything
> involving the C's or Atkins. ?I wouldn't waste a spot on
> him just yet despite our need for a legitimate backup pg.
> ?I'd stand pat and roll the dice as is, and see what
> happens come mid season. I'd be shocked if it was anything
> but a rumor, as Ray has been wrong before.
> > ---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> >Well Minnesota and the Hornets just made a
> three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out. Chalk up
> another rumor
> >>
> >> Why? The Wolves gave up a shooting PF and a backup
> guard for another guard. Acquiring Scal and Tony would
> offset the losses of Songaila and Wilkins; and with Antonio
> Daniels able to play the point, you could argue that they
> don't need Atkins, especially since they're loaded with
> PGs.
> >>
> >> Let me say, I think Boston could get more for
> these expiring contracts as the season goes on. But Atkins
> would fill the team's biggest perceived weakness without
> balking about playing time; and Wilkins, while maybe not any
> better defensively than Marquis, has two inches on Tony, so
> he'd likely be able to defend the three (and thereby fill
> our other perceived need for one more large swingman). On
> top of everything else, a 3-for-2 deal would open up another
> roster spot, so we could sign Hudson and still have an
> available slot for someone else.
> >>
> >> nb because Atkins and Wilkins were recently
> traded, Minny can't move them again until the end of the
> month. So if this deal happens, it will be a couple weeks
> from now. Hopefully Danny can get a better offer, but it's
> somewhat encouraging if he's continuing to look at ways to
> strengthen the roster.
> >>
> >> >>The New Orleans Hornets improved their
> depth Wednesday by completing a trade with the Minnesota
> Timberwolves that sends guard Antonio Daniels to the Wolves
> for forward Darius Songaila and guard Bobby Brown.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> >> celtics at igtc.com
> >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> >
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 17:36:23 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:36:23 -0400
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <9FC646CA528B4F64990270153132167E@StevePC>
Message-ID: <20090911133623.0PC9Y.59662.imail@eastrmwml33>

When you are desparate, even chump change looks good.
---- Steve Ouellette <bosox18 at charter.net> wrote: 
> 
> Never thought I'd see an NBA where Allan Iverson signed for short-term "Scal
> money".
> 
> Steve O
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
> Of Noah Evans
> Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 5:41 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> 
> Moving Scal is silly. Just resign him for less unless he's party of a
> package for a huge talent upgrade.
> 
> Scal may not be talented, but he's done far more for the chemistry and
> makeup of our team than anyone has given him credit for.
> 
> Noah
> 
> 
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Fri Sep 11 17:38:20 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:38:20 -0400
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <729488.59686.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090911133820.KGWVE.59691.imail@eastrmwml33>

Mabye he's going after a bigger and better trade deal down the road.  Again, no one knows anymore what is the truth and what is spin.  I'd wait until the time come before I worry about it.
---- Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Just to piggyback on Noah's comment a bit: I think Scal stays in the mix until KG shows that he's back to 100%.  Scal may not be a lot of things, but he's a pretty decent KG sub on a short term basis and I don't think you give that up until you know KG has recovered from his surgery.  I wouldn't go as far as to say we should resign Scal, but he does have value in an offense run by Rondo...
> 
> FYI: Marc Spears has a nice article about KG's progress at http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak78rD4d87kMgSKHy1AAarpzK7J_?slug=mc-garnettceltics091009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
> 
> He also reports that Danny hasn't decided whether he's going to offer Rondo an extension.  What?  I'd understand pessimism regarding coming to an agreement that satisfies both parties, but not even an offer?  What's the harm in making a fair offer?  I don't see any.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:40 PM
> > Moving Scal is silly. Just resign him
> > for less unless he's party of a
> > package for a huge talent upgrade.
> > 
> > Scal may not be talented, but he's done far more for the
> > chemistry and
> > makeup of our team than anyone has given him credit for.
> > 
> > Noah
> > 
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM,? <bradybonz at cox.net>
> > wrote:
> > > I don't think they'll move Scal or Tony until mid
> > season. ?I agree that they are worth more at that point
> > than right now. ?But I didn't see or hear of anything
> > involving the C's or Atkins. ?I wouldn't waste a spot on
> > him just yet despite our need for a legitimate backup pg.
> > ?I'd stand pat and roll the dice as is, and see what
> > happens come mid season. I'd be shocked if it was anything
> > but a rumor, as Ray has been wrong before.
> > > ---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >Well Minnesota and the Hornets just made a
> > three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out. Chalk up
> > another rumor
> > >>
> > >> Why? The Wolves gave up a shooting PF and a backup
> > guard for another guard. Acquiring Scal and Tony would
> > offset the losses of Songaila and Wilkins; and with Antonio
> > Daniels able to play the point, you could argue that they
> > don't need Atkins, especially since they're loaded with
> > PGs.
> > >>
> > >> Let me say, I think Boston could get more for
> > these expiring contracts as the season goes on. But Atkins
> > would fill the team's biggest perceived weakness without
> > balking about playing time; and Wilkins, while maybe not any
> > better defensively than Marquis, has two inches on Tony, so
> > he'd likely be able to defend the three (and thereby fill
> > our other perceived need for one more large swingman). On
> > top of everything else, a 3-for-2 deal would open up another
> > roster spot, so we could sign Hudson and still have an
> > available slot for someone else.
> > >>
> > >> nb because Atkins and Wilkins were recently
> > traded, Minny can't move them again until the end of the
> > month. So if this deal happens, it will be a couple weeks
> > from now. Hopefully Danny can get a better offer, but it's
> > somewhat encouraging if he's continuing to look at ways to
> > strengthen the roster.
> > >>
> > >> >>The New Orleans Hornets improved their
> > depth Wednesday by completing a trade with the Minnesota
> > Timberwolves that sends guard Antonio Daniels to the Wolves
> > for forward Darius Songaila and guard Bobby Brown.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > >> celtics at igtc.com
> > >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > >
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> > >
> > 
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> 
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From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Fri Sep 11 18:26:48 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:26:48 -0400
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <729488.59686.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <56a297000909101440r44c197e7w2a94877001be988c@mail.gmail.com>
	<729488.59686.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200909111826.n8BIQoLM018915@apollo.afrc.af.mil>

I'd understand pessimism regarding coming to an agreement that satisfies both parties, but not even an offer?  What's the harm in making a fair offer?  I don't see any.

Ryan

Easy - the harm is he might accept it.

Ainge is not sold on Rondo. There is too much historical evidence to that fact to deny it.

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:55 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny

Just to piggyback on Noah's comment a bit: I think Scal stays in the mix until KG shows that he's back to 100%.  Scal may not be a lot of things, but he's a pretty decent KG sub on a short term basis and I don't think you give that up until you know KG has recovered from his surgery.  I wouldn't go as far as to say we should resign Scal, but he does have value in an offense run by Rondo...

FYI: Marc Spears has a nice article about KG's progress at http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak78rD4d87kMgSKHy1AAarpzK7J_?slug=mc-garnettceltics091009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

He also reports that Danny hasn't decided whether he's going to offer Rondo an extension.  What?  I'd understand pessimism regarding coming to an agreement that satisfies both parties, but not even an offer?  What's the harm in making a fair offer?  I don't see any.

Ryan

--- On Thu, 9/10/09, Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:40 PM
> Moving Scal is silly. Just resign him
> for less unless he's party of a
> package for a huge talent upgrade.
> 
> Scal may not be talented, but he's done far more for the
> chemistry and
> makeup of our team than anyone has given him credit for.
> 
> Noah
> 
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM,? <bradybonz at cox.net>
> wrote:
> > I don't think they'll move Scal or Tony until mid
> season. ?I agree that they are worth more at that point
> than right now. ?But I didn't see or hear of anything
> involving the C's or Atkins. ?I wouldn't waste a spot on
> him just yet despite our need for a legitimate backup pg.
> ?I'd stand pat and roll the dice as is, and see what
> happens come mid season. I'd be shocked if it was anything
> but a rumor, as Ray has been wrong before.
> > ---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >> >Well Minnesota and the Hornets just made a
> three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out. Chalk up
> another rumor
> >>
> >> Why? The Wolves gave up a shooting PF and a backup
> guard for another guard. Acquiring Scal and Tony would
> offset the losses of Songaila and Wilkins; and with Antonio
> Daniels able to play the point, you could argue that they
> don't need Atkins, especially since they're loaded with
> PGs.
> >>
> >> Let me say, I think Boston could get more for
> these expiring contracts as the season goes on. But Atkins
> would fill the team's biggest perceived weakness without
> balking about playing time; and Wilkins, while maybe not any
> better defensively than Marquis, has two inches on Tony, so
> he'd likely be able to defend the three (and thereby fill
> our other perceived need for one more large swingman). On
> top of everything else, a 3-for-2 deal would open up another
> roster spot, so we could sign Hudson and still have an
> available slot for someone else.
> >>
> >> nb because Atkins and Wilkins were recently
> traded, Minny can't move them again until the end of the
> month. So if this deal happens, it will be a couple weeks
> from now. Hopefully Danny can get a better offer, but it's
> somewhat encouraging if he's continuing to look at ways to
> strengthen the roster.
> >>
> >> >>The New Orleans Hornets improved their
> depth Wednesday by completing a trade with the Minnesota
> Timberwolves that sends guard Antonio Daniels to the Wolves
> for forward Darius Songaila and guard Bobby Brown.
> >>
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 11 20:35:40 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 13:35:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <200909111826.n8BIQoLM018915@apollo.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <400922.70944.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Meh--if he's not sold on him, why did he build the team around him then?  This team will GO NOWHERE if there isn't a penetrating-and-kick guard at the helm, ideally one who is young (since this team is otherwise quite old), can also run the fast break (so as to engender easy buckets which are otherwise unavailable to our slower, older, more half-court oriented players) and play great on-the-ball defense at the top of the defense.  Guys like Ray Allen, KG, Baby, and Wallace are all dependent on Rondo to get good looks--replace that will some kind of standstill jump-shooting fake point guard like Derek Fisher and we're screwed.

Even if Ainge isn't 'sold on him,' there's no downside to signing Rondo to a reasonable extension this fall.  If it doesn't work out, he's still eminently tradeable, this season or in the future.  The key is making the deal reasonable.  If so, there's no downside.  Even if you overpay him a bit, I'd still argue that there's no downside to extending him this summer.

The way it stands now, Danny has pretty much surrounded Rondo will the perfect players to maximize his talent a year before he's due to be a restricted free agent.  If that doesn't greatly increase his value, I don't know what will.  I'll say it for the hundreth time: Rondo only gets more expensive the longer we wait to extend him.  Unless you're confident you can sign-and-trade him for some other team's superstar, it's a foolish gamble to let an asset gain value when you can preemptively sign him up.  Like Perk, Rondo should be extended before and not after he makes the Leap.  

Ryan

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:

> From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> Subject: RE: Celtics/Minny
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:26 PM
> I'd understand pessimism regarding
> coming to an agreement that satisfies both parties, but not
> even an offer?? What's the harm in making a fair
> offer?? I don't see any.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> Easy - the harm is he might accept it.
> 
> Ainge is not sold on Rondo. There is too much historical
> evidence to that fact to deny it.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf Of Ryan W
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:55 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> 
> Just to piggyback on Noah's comment a bit: I think Scal
> stays in the mix until KG shows that he's back to
> 100%.? Scal may not be a lot of things, but he's a
> pretty decent KG sub on a short term basis and I don't think
> you give that up until you know KG has recovered from his
> surgery.? I wouldn't go as far as to say we should
> resign Scal, but he does have value in an offense run by
> Rondo...
> 
> FYI: Marc Spears has a nice article about KG's progress at
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak78rD4d87kMgSKHy1AAarpzK7J_?slug=mc-garnettceltics091009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
> 
> He also reports that Danny hasn't decided whether he's
> going to offer Rondo an extension.? What?? I'd
> understand pessimism regarding coming to an agreement that
> satisfies both parties, but not even an offer?? What's
> the harm in making a fair offer?? I don't see any.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:40 PM
> > Moving Scal is silly. Just resign him
> > for less unless he's party of a
> > package for a huge talent upgrade.
> > 
> > Scal may not be talented, but he's done far more for
> the
> > chemistry and
> > makeup of our team than anyone has given him credit
> for.
> > 
> > Noah
> > 
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM,? <bradybonz at cox.net>
> > wrote:
> > > I don't think they'll move Scal or Tony until
> mid
> > season. ?I agree that they are worth more at that
> point
> > than right now. ?But I didn't see or hear of
> anything
> > involving the C's or Atkins. ?I wouldn't waste a spot
> on
> > him just yet despite our need for a legitimate backup
> pg.
> > ?I'd stand pat and roll the dice as is, and see what
> > happens come mid season. I'd be shocked if it was
> anything
> > but a rumor, as Ray has been wrong before.
> > > ---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >Well Minnesota and the Hornets just made
> a
> > three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out. Chalk
> up
> > another rumor
> > >>
> > >> Why? The Wolves gave up a shooting PF and a
> backup
> > guard for another guard. Acquiring Scal and Tony
> would
> > offset the losses of Songaila and Wilkins; and with
> Antonio
> > Daniels able to play the point, you could argue that
> they
> > don't need Atkins, especially since they're loaded
> with
> > PGs.
> > >>
> > >> Let me say, I think Boston could get more
> for
> > these expiring contracts as the season goes on. But
> Atkins
> > would fill the team's biggest perceived weakness
> without
> > balking about playing time; and Wilkins, while maybe
> not any
> > better defensively than Marquis, has two inches on
> Tony, so
> > he'd likely be able to defend the three (and thereby
> fill
> > our other perceived need for one more large swingman).
> On
> > top of everything else, a 3-for-2 deal would open up
> another
> > roster spot, so we could sign Hudson and still have
> an
> > available slot for someone else.
> > >>
> > >> nb because Atkins and Wilkins were recently
> > traded, Minny can't move them again until the end of
> the
> > month. So if this deal happens, it will be a couple
> weeks
> > from now. Hopefully Danny can get a better offer, but
> it's
> > somewhat encouraging if he's continuing to look at
> ways to
> > strengthen the roster.
> > >>
> > >> >>The New Orleans Hornets improved
> their
> > depth Wednesday by completing a trade with the
> Minnesota
> > Timberwolves that sends guard Antonio Daniels to the
> Wolves
> > for forward Darius Songaila and guard Bobby Brown.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Fri Sep 11 21:45:57 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 14:45:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Interesting thing about that Spears article ...
Message-ID: <74504.46880.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

is that he said C's have had Dickau, Lue and Mike Taylor in for workouts (WEEI reported the same). Of that underwhelming trio, I'd almost prefer Dickau, only because he'd look to set up his teammates more than to score himself.




      


From pmaymin at gmail.com  Fri Sep 11 22:43:28 2009
From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Phil Maymin)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:43:28 -0400
Subject: Knicks sign Gabe Pruitt -- why can't we get guys like that? :)
Message-ID: <8c863cee0909111543o2cedec6fg93fb331c9e8079b6@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/61546/20090911/knicks_sign_gabe_pruitt/

Donnie Walsh announced on Friday that the free agent guard Gabe Pruitt
has been signed by the Knicks to a contract.

Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Pruitt, 6-4, 170-pounds, has career averages of 2.0 points and 7.4
minutes in 62 games over two NBA seasons with the Boston Celtics. The
Los Angeles, CA-native was selected by Boston, following his junior
season at the University of Southern California, in the second round
(32nd overall) of the 2007 NBA Draft.


From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Fri Sep 11 22:58:58 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:58:58 -0400
Subject: Interesting thing about that Spears article ...
In-Reply-To: <74504.46880.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <74504.46880.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KPT004L4X9NLHV0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net>

At 05:45 PM 9/11/2009, Peter Delevett wrote:
>is that he said C's have had Dickau, Lue and Mike Taylor in for 
>workouts (WEEI reported the same). Of that underwhelming trio, I'd 
>almost prefer Dickau, only because he'd look to set up his teammates 
>more than to score himself.


Why would you say that? Certainly not what I remember from when he 
was here before (that was a part of the problem) and it's not like 
Ainge in charge actively discourages guys from shooting if they want 
to win a job.
Kim


From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 00:31:12 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 17:31:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dickau et al
Message-ID: <231380.51745.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Kim, you're probably right re: Dickau, and I know you watch a lot more games than I do.

My choice was mostly process-of-elimination: Lue is, essentially, a shorter Eddie House. And Mike Taylor is a) a second-year player who was b) not re-signed by the Clippers, which is never a good sign and c) has a reputation for playing out of control and not looking to his teammates, along with d) pretty poor shooting percentages. All in all, not the guy we need behind Rondo.

I could sleep at night with Lue as our in-case-of-emergency PG, but I'd much rather have a pass-first guy who can defend (Jacque Vaughn, cough). But if all three of the guys Danny's bringing in are chuckers, he obviously doesn't share my sentiments.


      


From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Sat Sep 12 00:52:31 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 20:52:31 -0400
Subject: Dickau et al
In-Reply-To: <231380.51745.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <231380.51745.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KPU000ZQ2J4BCAB@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:31 PM 9/11/2009, Peter Delevett wrote:
>Kim, you're probably right re: Dickau, and I know you watch a lot 
>more games than I do.
>
>My choice was mostly process-of-elimination: Lue is, essentially, a 
>shorter Eddie House. And Mike Taylor is a) a second-year player who 
>was b) not re-signed by the Clippers, which is never a good sign and 
>c) has a reputation for playing out of control and not looking to 
>his teammates, along with d) pretty poor shooting percentages. All 
>in all, not the guy we need behind Rondo.
>
>I could sleep at night with Lue as our in-case-of-emergency PG, but 
>I'd much rather have a pass-first guy who can defend (Jacque Vaughn, 
>cough). But if all three of the guys Danny's bringing in are 
>chuckers, he obviously doesn't share my sentiments.

I don't think Danny discounts defense entirely I just think he weighs 
other things a lot differently than some of us. Including Doc BTW.
While sorry but IMO Dickau's defense when he was here before made 
Wally Szcerbiak look like a lockdown defensive force. But that can be 
unfair to judge with someone who's not a top line defender on a small 
sample (and was he recovering from injury or something then? I know 
he basically lost the season to one, but I have a vague memory of 
something else), and it may have also been sort of a flip side of 
Tony a few years ago who IMO looked better than he was (and don't get 
me wrong, he can be a very good man defender) just because the rest 
of the defense was so bad. One eyed man in the land of the blind 
territory. Dickau may have looked even worse because there was no 
help whatsoever, so every mistake just glared.

As to Lue, dunno. I know what you're saying about a fondness shots 
but my memory is that he usually at least hustles on defense enough 
to be annoying if not always effective. Taylor I know nothing about.

But the bottom line is that Rondo is so good on D there's going to be 
a major drop off no matter who we slot there so it really comes down 
to just avoiding someone who will make a hugely negative contribution 
on D and then it's balancing the other stuff out. And Danny may 
prefer Dickau, who may remind him somewhat of himself as a player.
Kim



From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Sat Sep 12 10:40:12 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 06:40:12 -0400
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <400922.70944.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <200909111826.n8BIQoLM018915@apollo.afrc.af.mil>
	<400922.70944.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200909121040.n8CAeF4p013304@ares.afrc.af.mil>


Meh--if he's not sold on him, why did he build the team around him then? - Ryan

He didn't. He built the team "around" getting a superstar out of Al Jefferson and getting something for nothing out of Wally Z and D West (I'm not implying D West was nothing - I've simply never been sold on Wally Z). Rondo just happened to come into that situation - you make it sound like Rondo was established and known and Ainge went and got Garnett and Allen to surround HIM with - which I hope even you will admit is plain silly.

Look - take you and I out of the equation. Our feelings don't mean diddly. If Ainge was sold on Rondo he wouldn't:

1. Float/allow consistent press stories about his attitude/lateness/whatever. Compare media handling of Rondo to other players in Boston and you'll find more in common with the Manny Ramirez and Ty Law type stories than the Tom Brady or Dustin Pedroia. By that, the Boston media, which used to be tough on just about every athlete, now is only tough on certain athletes - mostly because the management of the teams they play for limit information as much as possible. If Ainge didn't want anything getting out about Rondo - it wouldn't have gotten out or have been limited to non stories leveraging their (very well used) spin machine. These people aren't stupid in media affairs.

2. Try to trade him not once, but multiple times. Once is a "deal we couldn't pass up" two and three times is "we're not quite sure this is our guy" more than that is "we're going in another direction".

I'm not saying this is MY thoughts on Rondo - I continue to think he is the best PG we've had here since Cooz (who couldn't shoot either at first) and it would take a lot to make ME part with him, but sitting here saying Ainge is 100% behind Rondo while the above HAS HAPPENED is just not seeing the forest for the trees.


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:36 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: RE: Celtics/Minny

Meh--if he's not sold on him, why did he build the team around him then?  This team will GO NOWHERE if there isn't a penetrating-and-kick guard at the helm, ideally one who is young (since this team is otherwise quite old), can also run the fast break (so as to engender easy buckets which are otherwise unavailable to our slower, older, more half-court oriented players) and play great on-the-ball defense at the top of the defense.  Guys like Ray Allen, KG, Baby, and Wallace are all dependent on Rondo to get good looks--replace that will some kind of standstill jump-shooting fake point guard like Derek Fisher and we're screwed.

Even if Ainge isn't 'sold on him,' there's no downside to signing Rondo to a reasonable extension this fall.  If it doesn't work out, he's still eminently tradeable, this season or in the future.  The key is making the deal reasonable.  If so, there's no downside.  Even if you overpay him a bit, I'd still argue that there's no downside to extending him this summer.

The way it stands now, Danny has pretty much surrounded Rondo will the perfect players to maximize his talent a year before he's due to be a restricted free agent.  If that doesn't greatly increase his value, I don't know what will.  I'll say it for the hundreth time: Rondo only gets more expensive the longer we wait to extend him.  Unless you're confident you can sign-and-trade him for some other team's superstar, it's a foolish gamble to let an asset gain value when you can preemptively sign him up.  Like Perk, Rondo should be extended before and not after he makes the Leap.  

Ryan

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:

> From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> Subject: RE: Celtics/Minny
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:26 PM
> I'd understand pessimism regarding
> coming to an agreement that satisfies both parties, but not
> even an offer?? What's the harm in making a fair
> offer?? I don't see any.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> Easy - the harm is he might accept it.
> 
> Ainge is not sold on Rondo. There is too much historical
> evidence to that fact to deny it.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf Of Ryan W
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:55 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> 
> Just to piggyback on Noah's comment a bit: I think Scal
> stays in the mix until KG shows that he's back to
> 100%.? Scal may not be a lot of things, but he's a
> pretty decent KG sub on a short term basis and I don't think
> you give that up until you know KG has recovered from his
> surgery.? I wouldn't go as far as to say we should
> resign Scal, but he does have value in an offense run by
> Rondo...
> 
> FYI: Marc Spears has a nice article about KG's progress at
> http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak78rD4d87kMgSKHy1AAarpzK7J_?slug=mc-garnettceltics091009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
> 
> He also reports that Danny hasn't decided whether he's
> going to offer Rondo an extension.? What?? I'd
> understand pessimism regarding coming to an agreement that
> satisfies both parties, but not even an offer?? What's
> the harm in making a fair offer?? I don't see any.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:40 PM
> > Moving Scal is silly. Just resign him
> > for less unless he's party of a
> > package for a huge talent upgrade.
> > 
> > Scal may not be talented, but he's done far more for
> the
> > chemistry and
> > makeup of our team than anyone has given him credit
> for.
> > 
> > Noah
> > 
> > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM,? <bradybonz at cox.net>
> > wrote:
> > > I don't think they'll move Scal or Tony until
> mid
> > season. ?I agree that they are worth more at that
> point
> > than right now. ?But I didn't see or hear of
> anything
> > involving the C's or Atkins. ?I wouldn't waste a spot
> on
> > him just yet despite our need for a legitimate backup
> pg.
> > ?I'd stand pat and roll the dice as is, and see what
> > happens come mid season. I'd be shocked if it was
> anything
> > but a rumor, as Ray has been wrong before.
> > > ---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> >Well Minnesota and the Hornets just made
> a
> > three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out. Chalk
> up
> > another rumor
> > >>
> > >> Why? The Wolves gave up a shooting PF and a
> backup
> > guard for another guard. Acquiring Scal and Tony
> would
> > offset the losses of Songaila and Wilkins; and with
> Antonio
> > Daniels able to play the point, you could argue that
> they
> > don't need Atkins, especially since they're loaded
> with
> > PGs.
> > >>
> > >> Let me say, I think Boston could get more
> for
> > these expiring contracts as the season goes on. But
> Atkins
> > would fill the team's biggest perceived weakness
> without
> > balking about playing time; and Wilkins, while maybe
> not any
> > better defensively than Marquis, has two inches on
> Tony, so
> > he'd likely be able to defend the three (and thereby
> fill
> > our other perceived need for one more large swingman).
> On
> > top of everything else, a 3-for-2 deal would open up
> another
> > roster spot, so we could sign Hudson and still have
> an
> > available slot for someone else.
> > >>
> > >> nb because Atkins and Wilkins were recently
> > traded, Minny can't move them again until the end of
> the
> > month. So if this deal happens, it will be a couple
> weeks
> > from now. Hopefully Danny can get a better offer, but
> it's
> > somewhat encouraging if he's continuing to look at
> ways to
> > strengthen the roster.
> > >>
> > >> >>The New Orleans Hornets improved
> their
> > depth Wednesday by completing a trade with the
> Minnesota
> > Timberwolves that sends guard Antonio Daniels to the
> Wolves
> > for forward Darius Songaila and guard Bobby Brown.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 13:52:16 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:52:16 -0400
Subject: Killing Us Softly With Their Songs
Message-ID: <B11ADBBA.3070.4200.8E47.BE4812A36D0E@aol.com>

"Kevin Garnett continues to make progress in his recovery from knee?
surgery, and the Boston Celtics hope their All-Star forward will be?
cleared for full-court scrimmaging by the start of training camp.
Garnett began working out at the Celtics' practice facility on Monday.?
... "We're looking for him to be there at the end of the season, not?
just the start of the season," Ainge said.?
- Marc Spears?

"He's {Garnett} looking pretty good. He didn't play, but he's out there?
doing slides, he's lifting the weights, he's on the treadmill, so we're?
excited to have him back. It's almost like having a new acquisition,?
but a guy who's already been here."?
- Paul Pierce

? Garnett can now walk without a limp, bend his knee. do full?
weight workouts, two-legged squats, and is in much less pain.?
And that's all reassuring.? But can he scrimmage at this point? ?
Will he be ready come Nov. 1?? Will he ever be the same talent?
he once was?? No, no, and no. ?
-? Egg?

?Now I think I know what you tried to say to me
How you suffered for you sanity How you tried to set them free
They would not listen they're not listening still
Perhaps they never will. ??
- Don McLean

From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 16:08:50 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 09:08:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade,
	Giddens, Mike Taylor 
Message-ID: <349903.13771.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Celtics Fans, it's a wild weekend of speculations and rumours, so let's get to all the juicy tidbits...

- The Minnesota Canus lupi are on the verge of pulling off another trade, perhaps by Wednesday. Will it be with the Celtics? With Ainge favorite 
Dickau added to the team, Chucky Atkins isn't likely to be sent to the 
Beantowners, but what about Damien Wilkins? The odds seem to be against
it at this moment...

- Ray Allen, of whom Danny Ainge has been furiously trying to deal 
along with Rajon Rondo, apparently has heard the rumors, forced the 
issue forward, and asked for an extension. Well, do you think the
mastermind Ainge will give in to Allen, extend him, and destroy the 
majority of his trade value? Ho ho ho. No no no.  

- D Wade: Much speculation by Gary Tanguay (and a little by Jackie MacMullen) that the Celtics will make an offer for him after the season. Like Dah, welcome aboard to the clue bus, but after the season is too late. Miami has the most leverage in dealing him before the trading deadline, so why not a three team deal between Boston - Miami - 
Phoenix with Rondo & Stoudamire going to Miami; Wade & Barbosa to the Celtics; Perkins, Ray & Haslem to Phoenix with a few other pieces tossed in to make everything cappy happy and get the Celtics back a big.

- JR Giddens to be waived? Laughable nonsense. Who comes up with this stuff? 

- The Celtics had an interesting PG prospect Mike Taylor, ex of the Clippers, in for a workout. He's very fast, he can score, not much of a playmaker, turnover prone (but improving). Possibly could develop into a middle class Barbosa if given the chance. Will he be?

Ray


      


From bradybonz at cox.net  Sat Sep 12 17:01:51 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:01:51 -0400
Subject: Killing Us Softly With Their Songs
In-Reply-To: <B11ADBBA.3070.4200.8E47.BE4812A36D0E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090912130151.1H004.21505.imail@eastrmwml41>

Dr. Egg, you know that for certain?  I think you're wrong.
---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> "Kevin Garnett continues to make progress in his recovery from knee?
> surgery, and the Boston Celtics hope their All-Star forward will be?
> cleared for full-court scrimmaging by the start of training camp.
> Garnett began working out at the Celtics' practice facility on Monday.?
> ... "We're looking for him to be there at the end of the season, not?
> just the start of the season," Ainge said.?
> - Marc Spears?
> 
> "He's {Garnett} looking pretty good. He didn't play, but he's out there?
> doing slides, he's lifting the weights, he's on the treadmill, so we're?
> excited to have him back. It's almost like having a new acquisition,?
> but a guy who's already been here."?
> - Paul Pierce
> 
> ? Garnett can now walk without a limp, bend his knee. do full?
> weight workouts, two-legged squats, and is in much less pain.?
> And that's all reassuring.? But can he scrimmage at this point? ?
> Will he be ready come Nov. 1?? Will he ever be the same talent?
> he once was?? No, no, and no. ?
> -? Egg?
> 
> ?Now I think I know what you tried to say to me
> How you suffered for you sanity How you tried to set them free
> They would not listen they're not listening still
> Perhaps they never will. ??
> - Don McLean
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From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Sat Sep 12 17:06:26 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 13:06:26 -0400
Subject: Killing Us Softly With Their Songs
In-Reply-To: <B11ADBBA.3070.4200.8E47.BE4812A36D0E@aol.com>
References: <B11ADBBA.3070.4200.8E47.BE4812A36D0E@aol.com>
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Thanks Egg, I now have that *&^%$ song playing over and over again in my head.

Where's my IPOD?

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 9:52 AM
To: Celtics at igtc.com
Subject: Killing Us Softly With Their Songs

"Kevin Garnett continues to make progress in his recovery from knee?
surgery, and the Boston Celtics hope their All-Star forward will be?
cleared for full-court scrimmaging by the start of training camp.
Garnett began working out at the Celtics' practice facility on Monday.?
... "We're looking for him to be there at the end of the season, not?
just the start of the season," Ainge said.?
- Marc Spears?

"He's {Garnett} looking pretty good. He didn't play, but he's out there?
doing slides, he's lifting the weights, he's on the treadmill, so we're?
excited to have him back. It's almost like having a new acquisition,?
but a guy who's already been here."?
- Paul Pierce

" Garnett can now walk without a limp, bend his knee. do full?
weight workouts, two-legged squats, and is in much less pain.?
And that's all reassuring.? But can he scrimmage at this point? ?
Will he be ready come Nov. 1?? Will he ever be the same talent?
he once was?? No, no, and no. "
-? Egg?

"Now I think I know what you tried to say to me
How you suffered for you sanity How you tried to set them free
They would not listen they're not listening still
Perhaps they never will. "?
- Don McLean
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 18:01:44 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:01:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <349903.13771.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <676735.66859.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>



--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
> - Ray Allen, of whom Danny Ainge has been furiously trying
> to deal 
> along with Rajon Rondo, apparently has heard the rumors,
> forced the 
> issue forward, and asked for an extension. Well, do you
> think the
> mastermind Ainge will give in to Allen, extend him, and
> destroy the 
> majority of his trade value? Ho ho ho. No no no.? 

After using Ray/Paul/KG to entice Wallace to come to Boston, do you really think Danny is going to turn around and trade Ray before the season even starts?  That's a slap in the face to everyone involved...

Ryan


      


From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 18:08:55 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:08:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Killing Us Softly With Their Songs
In-Reply-To: <B11ADBBA.3070.4200.8E47.BE4812A36D0E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <911907.76471.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I wonder if you watched the small video clip of KG doing the defensive slide, which was included in Paul's one-on-one interview over that at Celtics.com.  It runs from the :47 sec mark to the 1:06 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDnVHehxKIY&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fforums.celticsblog.com%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D31726.msg578078%3Btopicseen&feature=player_embedded#t=20

It's a small clip, but KG looks to moving alright.  He's got a pretty cumbersome brace on the knee which might be slowing him down some...

In the end, we won't know until preseason and then we won't know until the regular season, and then we won't know until he goes through the entire season just how that knee is holding up.  It's going to be a long process--no need to blow our load in September.

Ryan
--- On Sat, 9/12/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

> From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> Subject: Killing Us Softly With Their Songs
> To: Celtics at IGTC.com
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 8:52 AM
> "Kevin Garnett continues to make
> progress in his recovery from knee?
> surgery, and the Boston Celtics hope their All-Star forward
> will be?
> cleared for full-court scrimmaging by the start of training
> camp.
> Garnett began working out at the Celtics' practice facility
> on Monday.?
> ... "We're looking for him to be there at the end of the
> season, not?
> just the start of the season," Ainge said.?
> - Marc Spears?
> 
> "He's {Garnett} looking pretty good. He didn't play, but
> he's out there?
> doing slides, he's lifting the weights, he's on the
> treadmill, so we're?
> excited to have him back. It's almost like having a new
> acquisition,?
> but a guy who's already been here."?
> - Paul Pierce
> 
> ? Garnett can now walk without a limp, bend his knee. do
> full?
> weight workouts, two-legged squats, and is in much less
> pain.?
> And that's all reassuring.? But can he scrimmage at this
> point? ?
> Will he be ready come Nov. 1?? Will he ever be the same
> talent?
> he once was?? No, no, and no. ?
> -? Egg?
> 
> ?Now I think I know what you tried to say to me
> How you suffered for you sanity How you tried to set them
> free
> They would not listen they're not listening still
> Perhaps they never will. ??
> - Don McLean
> _______________________________________________
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> celtics at igtc.com
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 18:17:49 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:17:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Celtics/Minny
In-Reply-To: <200909121040.n8CAeF4p013304@ares.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <497629.30485.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

I think you missed my point: this team as currently built is completely dependent on a Rondo-like point guard to make it work.  Sure, he didn't build the team around Rondo starting in 2007; no, he built the team around Rondo starting this summer, with his signing of Wallace, another perimeter player who needs a Rondo-like point guard to get him looks, an attribute which increasingly applies to KG, Ray Allen, and Paul Pierce, not to mention Baby and Wallace and even Scal, guys who get their looks by spotting up and letting Rondo break down the defense  This team is becoming more and more Rondo's team and more and more dependent on him to run well.  So, on the one hand, we have Ainge building that type of team, and then on the other hand we have him throwing Rondo's name out in trade talks.  Your conclusion is that he's not sold on him: my response is, he wouldn't have built his team around him if he was at least in some sense sold on him or on the
 necessity of a Rondo-like player as the lynch pin on the particular team he's constructed.

To me, Rondo's public criticism by Danny and Doc and his supposed inclusion in several proposed deals leads to 2 conclusions: they're setting the stage for what they think will be a tough contract negotiation and they're trying to motivate Rondo to get better.  How much sense does it make to bad-mouth a player one day and try to trade them the next?  I'd hope Ainge is smarter than that...

My belief all along is that *if* Ainge trades Rondo, it'll be for a better version of Rondo, like Chris Paul.  I just don't personally get why he won't at least engage in some contract extension negotiations *this* summer at a time when it's clear Rondo's price will be at it's lowest.  Even if he signs him at 10 million per, he can still trade him next summer if he wants?  Why not make the offer?

Ryan

--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:

> From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> Subject: RE: Celtics/Minny
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Saturday, September 12, 2009, 5:40 AM
> 
> Meh--if he's not sold on him, why did he build the team
> around him then? - Ryan
> 
> He didn't. He built the team "around" getting a superstar
> out of Al Jefferson and getting something for nothing out of
> Wally Z and D West (I'm not implying D West was nothing -
> I've simply never been sold on Wally Z). Rondo just happened
> to come into that situation - you make it sound like Rondo
> was established and known and Ainge went and got Garnett and
> Allen to surround HIM with - which I hope even you will
> admit is plain silly.
> 
> Look - take you and I out of the equation. Our feelings
> don't mean diddly. If Ainge was sold on Rondo he wouldn't:
> 
> 1. Float/allow consistent press stories about his
> attitude/lateness/whatever. Compare media handling of Rondo
> to other players in Boston and you'll find more in common
> with the Manny Ramirez and Ty Law type stories than the Tom
> Brady or Dustin Pedroia. By that, the Boston media, which
> used to be tough on just about every athlete, now is only
> tough on certain athletes - mostly because the management of
> the teams they play for limit information as much as
> possible. If Ainge didn't want anything getting out about
> Rondo - it wouldn't have gotten out or have been limited to
> non stories leveraging their (very well used) spin machine.
> These people aren't stupid in media affairs.
> 
> 2. Try to trade him not once, but multiple times. Once is a
> "deal we couldn't pass up" two and three times is "we're not
> quite sure this is our guy" more than that is "we're going
> in another direction".
> 
> I'm not saying this is MY thoughts on Rondo - I continue to
> think he is the best PG we've had here since Cooz (who
> couldn't shoot either at first) and it would take a lot to
> make ME part with him, but sitting here saying Ainge is 100%
> behind Rondo while the above HAS HAPPENED is just not seeing
> the forest for the trees.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf Of Ryan W
> Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:36 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Celtics/Minny
> 
> Meh--if he's not sold on him, why did he build the team
> around him then?? This team will GO NOWHERE if there
> isn't a penetrating-and-kick guard at the helm, ideally one
> who is young (since this team is otherwise quite old), can
> also run the fast break (so as to engender easy buckets
> which are otherwise unavailable to our slower, older, more
> half-court oriented players) and play great on-the-ball
> defense at the top of the defense.? Guys like Ray
> Allen, KG, Baby, and Wallace are all dependent on Rondo to
> get good looks--replace that will some kind of standstill
> jump-shooting fake point guard like Derek Fisher and we're
> screwed.
> 
> Even if Ainge isn't 'sold on him,' there's no downside to
> signing Rondo to a reasonable extension this fall.? If
> it doesn't work out, he's still eminently tradeable, this
> season or in the future.? The key is making the deal
> reasonable.? If so, there's no downside.? Even if
> you overpay him a bit, I'd still argue that there's no
> downside to extending him this summer.
> 
> The way it stands now, Danny has pretty much surrounded
> Rondo will the perfect players to maximize his talent a year
> before he's due to be a restricted free agent.? If that
> doesn't greatly increase his value, I don't know what
> will.? I'll say it for the hundreth time: Rondo only
> gets more expensive the longer we wait to extend him.?
> Unless you're confident you can sign-and-trade him for some
> other team's superstar, it's a foolish gamble to let an
> asset gain value when you can preemptively sign him
> up.? Like Perk, Rondo should be extended before and not
> after he makes the Leap.? 
> 
> Ryan
> 
> --- On Fri, 9/11/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> > Subject: RE: Celtics/Minny
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:26 PM
> > I'd understand pessimism regarding
> > coming to an agreement that satisfies both parties,
> but not
> > even an offer?? What's the harm in making a fair
> > offer?? I don't see any.
> > 
> > Ryan
> > 
> > Easy - the harm is he might accept it.
> > 
> > Ainge is not sold on Rondo. There is too much
> historical
> > evidence to that fact to deny it.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> > On Behalf Of Ryan W
> > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 12:55 PM
> > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> > 
> > Just to piggyback on Noah's comment a bit: I think
> Scal
> > stays in the mix until KG shows that he's back to
> > 100%.? Scal may not be a lot of things, but he's a
> > pretty decent KG sub on a short term basis and I don't
> think
> > you give that up until you know KG has recovered from
> his
> > surgery.? I wouldn't go as far as to say we should
> > resign Scal, but he does have value in an offense run
> by
> > Rondo...
> > 
> > FYI: Marc Spears has a nice article about KG's
> progress at
> > http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=Ak78rD4d87kMgSKHy1AAarpzK7J_?slug=mc-garnettceltics091009&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
> > 
> > He also reports that Danny hasn't decided whether
> he's
> > going to offer Rondo an extension.? What?? I'd
> > understand pessimism regarding coming to an agreement
> that
> > satisfies both parties, but not even an offer??
> What's
> > the harm in making a fair offer?? I don't see any.
> > 
> > Ryan
> > 
> > --- On Thu, 9/10/09, Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Celtics/Minny
> > > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > Date: Thursday, September 10, 2009, 4:40 PM
> > > Moving Scal is silly. Just resign him
> > > for less unless he's party of a
> > > package for a huge talent upgrade.
> > > 
> > > Scal may not be talented, but he's done far more
> for
> > the
> > > chemistry and
> > > makeup of our team than anyone has given him
> credit
> > for.
> > > 
> > > Noah
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 11:34 PM,? <bradybonz at cox.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > I don't think they'll move Scal or Tony
> until
> > mid
> > > season. ?I agree that they are worth more at
> that
> > point
> > > than right now. ?But I didn't see or hear of
> > anything
> > > involving the C's or Atkins. ?I wouldn't waste a
> spot
> > on
> > > him just yet despite our need for a legitimate
> backup
> > pg.
> > > ?I'd stand pat and roll the dice as is, and see
> what
> > > happens come mid season. I'd be shocked if it
> was
> > anything
> > > but a rumor, as Ray has been wrong before.
> > > > ---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >Well Minnesota and the Hornets just
> made
> > a
> > > three player deal. I guess that counsnts us out.
> Chalk
> > up
> > > another rumor
> > > >>
> > > >> Why? The Wolves gave up a shooting PF
> and a
> > backup
> > > guard for another guard. Acquiring Scal and Tony
> > would
> > > offset the losses of Songaila and Wilkins; and
> with
> > Antonio
> > > Daniels able to play the point, you could argue
> that
> > they
> > > don't need Atkins, especially since they're
> loaded
> > with
> > > PGs.
> > > >>
> > > >> Let me say, I think Boston could get
> more
> > for
> > > these expiring contracts as the season goes on.
> But
> > Atkins
> > > would fill the team's biggest perceived weakness
> > without
> > > balking about playing time; and Wilkins, while
> maybe
> > not any
> > > better defensively than Marquis, has two inches
> on
> > Tony, so
> > > he'd likely be able to defend the three (and
> thereby
> > fill
> > > our other perceived need for one more large
> swingman).
> > On
> > > top of everything else, a 3-for-2 deal would open
> up
> > another
> > > roster spot, so we could sign Hudson and still
> have
> > an
> > > available slot for someone else.
> > > >>
> > > >> nb because Atkins and Wilkins were
> recently
> > > traded, Minny can't move them again until the end
> of
> > the
> > > month. So if this deal happens, it will be a
> couple
> > weeks
> > > from now. Hopefully Danny can get a better offer,
> but
> > it's
> > > somewhat encouraging if he's continuing to look
> at
> > ways to
> > > strengthen the roster.
> > > >>
> > > >> >>The New Orleans Hornets
> improved
> > their
> > > depth Wednesday by completing a trade with the
> > Minnesota
> > > Timberwolves that sends guard Antonio Daniels to
> the
> > Wolves
> > > for forward Darius Songaila and guard Bobby
> Brown.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 12 18:22:45 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 11:22:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Dickau et al
In-Reply-To: <231380.51745.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <27638.59374.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Ahhh!!! Dickau sucked last time he was on the team, and I'm pretty sure he's gotten worse since then.  He's nothing more than training camp fodder, if that.  Hudson would make him look like a 12-year old boy...wait, that's what he looks like ALL THE TIME.  

Mike Taylor is intriguing because he's young, he can handle the ball, and he can score.  He's not the bomber House is, but he can at least bring the ball up against pressure in a consistent manner.  I wouldn't mind bringing him in for a training camp tryout because I think he represents a younger cheaper alternative to House for next season....

That said, Taylor or whomever gets that 15th spot won't be doing any playing this season and that fact alone edges me towards giving Hudson the spot.  I like the kid.

Lue just sucks; I wish I never heard his name again.

Ryan

--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Dickau et al
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 7:31 PM
> Kim, you're probably right re:
> Dickau, and I know you watch a lot more games than I do.
> 
> My choice was mostly process-of-elimination: Lue is,
> essentially, a shorter Eddie House. And Mike Taylor is a) a
> second-year player who was b) not re-signed by the Clippers,
> which is never a good sign and c) has a reputation for
> playing out of control and not looking to his teammates,
> along with d) pretty poor shooting percentages. All in all,
> not the guy we need behind Rondo.
> 
> I could sleep at night with Lue as our in-case-of-emergency
> PG, but I'd much rather have a pass-first guy who can defend
> (Jacque Vaughn, cough). But if all three of the guys Danny's
> bringing in are chuckers, he obviously doesn't share my
> sentiments.
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Sat Sep 12 18:31:33 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 14:31:33 -0400
Subject: Killing Us Softly With Their Songs
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On Sep 12, 2009, at 1:06:26 PM, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote:

Thanks Egg, I now have that *&^%$ song playing over and over again in my head.
--------------

Name of song: ?"Vincent." ? A great song. ? Also loved McLean's American Pie and
danced my ass off to it at the time.

Those were the days when our sons ventured out on Halloween night ?in KISS
outfits and we were eventually forced to actually drive by ACE?FREHLEY's ?apt.
in NYC to pacify them. ?"Like wow, there's where Ace Frehley lives."

Little did I realize then that they would become musicians first,?and pay-for-bread 
professionals as an after thought in the real world.

Damn that Gene Simmons and Kiss.

From capomycap at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 19:40:10 2009
From: capomycap at gmail.com (George Meyer)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:40:10 -0700
Subject: Killing Us Softly With Their Songs
In-Reply-To: <6976C747.3B68.498C.AC3D.C570E7E9820A@aol.com>
References: <200909121706.n8CH6SUK026393@artemis.afrc.af.mil>
	<6976C747.3B68.498C.AC3D.C570E7E9820A@aol.com>
Message-ID: <253b689a0909121240l8838bcbjc6ce743a43de7335@mail.gmail.com>

Egg,
you missed one.

<<<<<<Ainge said forward Kevin
Garnett<http://projostats.projo.com/nba/playerstats.asp?id=3007>is
recovering quickly from his right-knee injury.

?He?s doing much better,? Ainge said. ?There is much more flexibility in his
leg. He?s feeling a lot better and we?re going to take it slow with him and
hope that he keeps getting better because he?s such an important part of our
playoff success.?>>>>>>


Of course, it was from FEBRUARY 28 2009. Fearful symmetry, or simply a lazy
reiteration of lies?

From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Sat Sep 12 20:01:34 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:01:34 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <676735.66859.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <349903.13771.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<676735.66859.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200909122001.n8CK1amC008301@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>

Depends what he can get back. If anything.

Ainge is many things - not everything Egg and George say and not everything supporters such as Ryan and Bonz say - but he is a GM - and GMs balance the wants and needs of not just fans (who are usually WAY down the list), but of the team, the coach, and the owners. Those aspects are not always in sync nor are certain considerations always a priority over others.

Floating an expiring contract (regardless of the WHO) in this economic climate where they carry even greater value is not outside the realm of possibility.

Fans tend to get caught up in the personal side of personnel decisions. WHO is going. GMs have to also weigh the other aspects such as value (monetary and ability). The entire Patriot cap system has nothing to do with "WHO" - it is based on position, and that positions' (in their minds) contribution to the overall team (just to provide an example). The player is factored in AFTER that initial number is established, their age, statistics, future value, and numerous other things are considered, but I would doubt very highly - WHO is in the slot is considered much at all.

Hard business lesson, but a business lesson most successful businesses subscribe to.



-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:02 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor



--- On Sat, 9/12/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
> - Ray Allen, of whom Danny Ainge has been furiously trying
> to deal 
> along with Rajon Rondo, apparently has heard the rumors,
> forced the 
> issue forward, and asked for an extension. Well, do you
> think the
> mastermind Ainge will give in to Allen, extend him, and
> destroy the 
> majority of his trade value? Ho ho ho. No no no.? 

After using Ray/Paul/KG to entice Wallace to come to Boston, do you really think Danny is going to turn around and trade Ray before the season even starts?  That's a slap in the face to everyone involved...

Ryan


      

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From noah.evans at gmail.com  Sat Sep 12 20:12:03 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:12:03 +0200
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D 
	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <200909122001.n8CK1amC008301@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
References: <349903.13771.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<676735.66859.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<200909122001.n8CK1amC008301@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <56a297000909121312w2ee8654eg98637013c9b8faed@mail.gmail.com>

NBA players are not "fungible assets" in the same way that
non-quarterback NFL players are. An NBA player's impact on his team is
*much* larger. A franchise center or point guard can immediately take
an also ran and turn it into a contender; he can also turn it into a
laughing stock. If you look at the consistently successful teams over
the history of the NBA they tend to be ones that treat their players
with respect and consistency.

Noah

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:01 PM,  <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> Depends what he can get back. If anything.
>
> Ainge is many things - not everything Egg and George say and not everything supporters such as Ryan and Bonz say - but he is a GM - and GMs balance the wants and needs of not just fans (who are usually WAY down the list), but of the team, the coach, and the owners. Those aspects are not always in sync nor are certain considerations always a priority over others.
>
> Floating an expiring contract (regardless of the WHO) in this economic climate where they carry even greater value is not outside the realm of possibility.
>
> Fans tend to get caught up in the personal side of personnel decisions. WHO is going. GMs have to also weigh the other aspects such as value (monetary and ability). The entire Patriot cap system has nothing to do with "WHO" - it is based on position, and that positions' (in their minds) contribution to the overall team (just to provide an example). The player is factored in AFTER that initial number is established, their age, statistics, future value, and numerous other things are considered, but I would doubt very highly - WHO is in the slot is considered much at all.
>
> Hard business lesson, but a business lesson most successful businesses subscribe to.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:02 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> - Ray Allen, of whom Danny Ainge has been furiously trying
>> to deal
>> along with Rajon Rondo, apparently has heard the rumors,
>> forced the
>> issue forward, and asked for an extension. Well, do you
>> think the
>> mastermind Ainge will give in to Allen, extend him, and
>> destroy the
>> majority of his trade value? Ho ho ho. No no no.
>
> After using Ray/Paul/KG to entice Wallace to come to Boston, do you really think Danny is going to turn around and trade Ray before the season even starts? ?That's a slap in the face to everyone involved...
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Sat Sep 12 20:28:41 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 16:28:41 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909121312w2ee8654eg98637013c9b8faed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090912162841.XRL02.147932.imail@eastrmwml38>

Which is why we have 17 championships, the most recent being from the Big Three.
---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote: 
> NBA players are not "fungible assets" in the same way that
> non-quarterback NFL players are. An NBA player's impact on his team is
> *much* larger. A franchise center or point guard can immediately take
> an also ran and turn it into a contender; he can also turn it into a
> laughing stock. If you look at the consistently successful teams over
> the history of the NBA they tend to be ones that treat their players
> with respect and consistency.
> 
> Noah
> 
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:01 PM,  <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> > Depends what he can get back. If anything.
> >
> > Ainge is many things - not everything Egg and George say and not everything supporters such as Ryan and Bonz say - but he is a GM - and GMs balance the wants and needs of not just fans (who are usually WAY down the list), but of the team, the coach, and the owners. Those aspects are not always in sync nor are certain considerations always a priority over others.
> >
> > Floating an expiring contract (regardless of the WHO) in this economic climate where they carry even greater value is not outside the realm of possibility.
> >
> > Fans tend to get caught up in the personal side of personnel decisions. WHO is going. GMs have to also weigh the other aspects such as value (monetary and ability). The entire Patriot cap system has nothing to do with "WHO" - it is based on position, and that positions' (in their minds) contribution to the overall team (just to provide an example). The player is factored in AFTER that initial number is established, their age, statistics, future value, and numerous other things are considered, but I would doubt very highly - WHO is in the slot is considered much at all.
> >
> > Hard business lesson, but a business lesson most successful businesses subscribe to.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
> > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:02 PM
> > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> - Ray Allen, of whom Danny Ainge has been furiously trying
> >> to deal
> >> along with Rajon Rondo, apparently has heard the rumors,
> >> forced the
> >> issue forward, and asked for an extension. Well, do you
> >> think the
> >> mastermind Ainge will give in to Allen, extend him, and
> >> destroy the
> >> majority of his trade value? Ho ho ho. No no no.
> >
> > After using Ray/Paul/KG to entice Wallace to come to Boston, do you really think Danny is going to turn around and trade Ray before the season even starts? ?That's a slap in the face to everyone involved...
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> >
> 
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From jozersky at optonline.net  Sun Sep 13 02:57:22 2009
From: jozersky at optonline.net (Josh Ozersky)
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 22:57:22 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade,
	Ray,D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
References: <20090912162841.XRL02.147932.imail@eastrmwml38>
Message-ID: <000c01ca341d$eabb2670$da767145@your4f1261a8e5>

Ainge though did, if the story is to be believed, tell Red that he ought to 
trade
McHale. I think that's wrong, both sentimentally and pragmatically, as Larry 
did
as well ("You can't get someone to give us the things Kevin gives us," he 
said at
the time.) But Ainge has in the past shown a propensity to make moves that 
would
improve the team. I don't think he's pushing to move Allen, but he wouldn't 
say no
if a great offer showed itself. Moving Rondo, though, just doesn't make 
sense on
any level and never has. You don't trade away 21 year old all-NBA type 
players
unless there's no other option -- the guy has five gun charges pending, or 
he's
demanding a maximum contract and you are already carrying two. You almost 
always
get thirty cents on the dollar on a deal like that. And more importantly, 
you can't
replace that level of talent. I'm also sure that if Ainge had been eager to 
move Rondo
he never would have criticized him in a public way. I doubt any of our major 
players
will get traded. This is our year to win another championship. Next year 
will be the
diaspora.

Josh

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bradybonz at cox.net>
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, 
Ray,D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor


> Which is why we have 17 championships, the most recent being from the Big 
> Three.
> ---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
>> NBA players are not "fungible assets" in the same way that
>> non-quarterback NFL players are. An NBA player's impact on his team is
>> *much* larger. A franchise center or point guard can immediately take
>> an also ran and turn it into a contender; he can also turn it into a
>> laughing stock. If you look at the consistently successful teams over
>> the history of the NBA they tend to be ones that treat their players
>> with respect and consistency.
>>
>> Noah
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:01 PM,  <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
>> > Depends what he can get back. If anything.
>> >
>> > Ainge is many things - not everything Egg and George say and not 
>> > everything supporters such as Ryan and Bonz say - but he is a GM - and 
>> > GMs balance the wants and needs of not just fans (who are usually WAY 
>> > down the list), but of the team, the coach, and the owners. Those 
>> > aspects are not always in sync nor are certain considerations always a 
>> > priority over others.
>> >
>> > Floating an expiring contract (regardless of the WHO) in this economic 
>> > climate where they carry even greater value is not outside the realm of 
>> > possibility.
>> >
>> > Fans tend to get caught up in the personal side of personnel decisions. 
>> > WHO is going. GMs have to also weigh the other aspects such as value 
>> > (monetary and ability). The entire Patriot cap system has nothing to do 
>> > with "WHO" - it is based on position, and that positions' (in their 
>> > minds) contribution to the overall team (just to provide an example). 
>> > The player is factored in AFTER that initial number is established, 
>> > their age, statistics, future value, and numerous other things are 
>> > considered, but I would doubt very highly - WHO is in the slot is 
>> > considered much at all.
>> >
>> > Hard business lesson, but a business lesson most successful businesses 
>> > subscribe to.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On 
>> > Behalf Of Ryan W
>> > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:02 PM
>> > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> > Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, 
>> > Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> - Ray Allen, of whom Danny Ainge has been furiously trying
>> >> to deal
>> >> along with Rajon Rondo, apparently has heard the rumors,
>> >> forced the
>> >> issue forward, and asked for an extension. Well, do you
>> >> think the
>> >> mastermind Ainge will give in to Allen, extend him, and
>> >> destroy the
>> >> majority of his trade value? Ho ho ho. No no no.
>> >
>> > After using Ray/Paul/KG to entice Wallace to come to Boston, do you 
>> > really think Danny is going to turn around and trade Ray before the 
>> > season even starts? That's a slap in the face to everyone involved...
>> >
>> > Ryan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> > celtics at igtc.com
>> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > celtics at igtc.com
>> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>> >
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
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From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Sun Sep 13 11:23:11 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 07:23:11 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D 	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909121312w2ee8654eg98637013c9b8faed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <349903.13771.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<676735.66859.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<200909122001.n8CK1amC008301@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
	<56a297000909121312w2ee8654eg98637013c9b8faed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200909131123.n8DBNCdb027170@artemis.afrc.af.mil>

If you don't develop a value (value being cost-benefit not moral value) system in any GM job, you won't last long in that position. The most successful teams in the NBA have been the Celtics, Lakers and Bulls. The Bulls we can kind of throw out because that was all on one single player - I think he was just in Springfield, MA a couple days ago. So you have the Lakers and Celtics. Given their intimate relationship most of us know both pretty well. Both have made purely business decisions based on cost-benefit..and as Josh said - keep on winning. 

Just like every other career "choice" players make in the NBA - 90% of those choices are made by one thing - money. Weather, off-court opportunities, and in this case "respect and consistency" and other so-called decision making inputs are bandied about by us and the media, but it's the exception that makes a choice on any of those other than money.

NBA contracts are guaranteed. Don't get much more respect and consistency than that. Players run this league with those rules in place.  Players select coaches, force trades, and other more powerful demonstrations of that each and every season. 

This isn't absolving management of their infidelities - they freeze out injured players, destroy them in the media, and other pretty awful things - but they still through all that pay them their multi-million dollar salary - they have to by contract.

So the ONLY time in the process that a GM can change their team is via trade given the strict cap (unless you have an owner willing to buy out anyone and everyone - Mark Cuban and Jimmy Dolan aside) or the offseason. A GM that doesn't even explore ALL of those options - whether the contract reads Ray Allen or Joseph Forte will not keep his job very long.

Players and owners both might say "I signed for loyalty" or "I signed him for his loyalty" in the press, but they're lying - the player signed for the best contract (unless his name was Tedy Bruschi I suppose there are onsey-twosey exceptions to every rule) and the GM signed him because he was either a better player (measured by age, ability, maybe chemistry, but more the first two then the latter) than the next guy at the same price or the best guy at the current price.


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Noah Evans
Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:12 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor

NBA players are not "fungible assets" in the same way that
non-quarterback NFL players are. An NBA player's impact on his team is
*much* larger. A franchise center or point guard can immediately take
an also ran and turn it into a contender; he can also turn it into a
laughing stock. If you look at the consistently successful teams over
the history of the NBA they tend to be ones that treat their players
with respect and consistency.

Noah

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:01 PM,  <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> Depends what he can get back. If anything.
>
> Ainge is many things - not everything Egg and George say and not everything supporters such as Ryan and Bonz say - but he is a GM - and GMs balance the wants and needs of not just fans (who are usually WAY down the list), but of the team, the coach, and the owners. Those aspects are not always in sync nor are certain considerations always a priority over others.
>
> Floating an expiring contract (regardless of the WHO) in this economic climate where they carry even greater value is not outside the realm of possibility.
>
> Fans tend to get caught up in the personal side of personnel decisions. WHO is going. GMs have to also weigh the other aspects such as value (monetary and ability). The entire Patriot cap system has nothing to do with "WHO" - it is based on position, and that positions' (in their minds) contribution to the overall team (just to provide an example). The player is factored in AFTER that initial number is established, their age, statistics, future value, and numerous other things are considered, but I would doubt very highly - WHO is in the slot is considered much at all.
>
> Hard business lesson, but a business lesson most successful businesses subscribe to.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:02 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
>
>
>
> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> - Ray Allen, of whom Danny Ainge has been furiously trying
>> to deal
>> along with Rajon Rondo, apparently has heard the rumors,
>> forced the
>> issue forward, and asked for an extension. Well, do you
>> think the
>> mastermind Ainge will give in to Allen, extend him, and
>> destroy the
>> majority of his trade value? Ho ho ho. No no no.
>
> After using Ray/Paul/KG to entice Wallace to come to Boston, do you really think Danny is going to turn around and trade Ray before the season even starts? ?That's a slap in the face to everyone involved...
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
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> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
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From noah.evans at gmail.com  Sun Sep 13 12:45:10 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 14:45:10 +0200
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D 
	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <200909131123.n8DBNCdb027170@artemis.afrc.af.mil>
References: <349903.13771.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<676735.66859.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<200909122001.n8CK1amC008301@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
	<56a297000909121312w2ee8654eg98637013c9b8faed@mail.gmail.com>
	<200909131123.n8DBNCdb027170@artemis.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <56a297000909130545g6928de3dl3ba5e3a148d258da@mail.gmail.com>

No. You're right that the Bulls were an anomaly. However, the Lakers
and the Celtics got where they were not as much through business
acumen as their ability to consistently and fairly deal with their
players. The Celtics and Lakers(and lately the Spurs, Suns and
Detroit) are/were known to be fair and consistent with their players.
Notice I didn't say nice, just fair and consistent.

That's why Brand ditched the Clippers for less money and why Duncan
took a pay cut to stay with the Spurs. You could argue that they're
exceptional, but I'll argue that it's not.

The real reason that money matters in the NBA is that it *quantifies
the "respect" given to a player relative to his peers*. You don't get
into the NBA by being a push-over and trying to please  everybody.
Players are extremely sensitive their status relative to their peers
and any feelings of "disrespect" by a player will lead to smoldering
resentment and eventually a blowup.

I'll illustrate this with an example. Shawn Kemp didn't care about how
much money he made until the Sonics signed McIlvaine. Then he cared,
and he cared a lot because, a stiff like McIlvaine was getting more
"respect" than he was. Kemp pouted, the sonics traded for Baker and
the rest is history.

Respect, not money, is the currency of the NBA.

Noah


On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:23 PM,  <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> If you don't develop a value (value being cost-benefit not moral value) system in any GM job, you won't last long in that position. The most successful teams in the NBA have been the Celtics, Lakers and Bulls. The Bulls we can kind of throw out because that was all on one single player - I think he was just in Springfield, MA a couple days ago. So you have the Lakers and Celtics. Given their intimate relationship most of us know both pretty well. Both have made purely business decisions based on cost-benefit..and as Josh said - keep on winning.
>
> Just like every other career "choice" players make in the NBA - 90% of those choices are made by one thing - money. Weather, off-court opportunities, and in this case "respect and consistency" and other so-called decision making inputs are bandied about by us and the media, but it's the exception that makes a choice on any of those other than money.
>
> NBA contracts are guaranteed. Don't get much more respect and consistency than that. Players run this league with those rules in place. ?Players select coaches, force trades, and other more powerful demonstrations of that each and every season.
>
> This isn't absolving management of their infidelities - they freeze out injured players, destroy them in the media, and other pretty awful things - but they still through all that pay them their multi-million dollar salary - they have to by contract.
>
> So the ONLY time in the process that a GM can change their team is via trade given the strict cap (unless you have an owner willing to buy out anyone and everyone - Mark Cuban and Jimmy Dolan aside) or the offseason. A GM that doesn't even explore ALL of those options - whether the contract reads Ray Allen or Joseph Forte will not keep his job very long.
>
> Players and owners both might say "I signed for loyalty" or "I signed him for his loyalty" in the press, but they're lying - the player signed for the best contract (unless his name was Tedy Bruschi I suppose there are onsey-twosey exceptions to every rule) and the GM signed him because he was either a better player (measured by age, ability, maybe chemistry, but more the first two then the latter) than the next guy at the same price or the best guy at the current price.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Noah Evans
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:12 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
>
> NBA players are not "fungible assets" in the same way that
> non-quarterback NFL players are. An NBA player's impact on his team is
> *much* larger. A franchise center or point guard can immediately take
> an also ran and turn it into a contender; he can also turn it into a
> laughing stock. If you look at the consistently successful teams over
> the history of the NBA they tend to be ones that treat their players
> with respect and consistency.
>
> Noah
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:01 PM, ?<Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
>> Depends what he can get back. If anything.
>>
>> Ainge is many things - not everything Egg and George say and not everything supporters such as Ryan and Bonz say - but he is a GM - and GMs balance the wants and needs of not just fans (who are usually WAY down the list), but of the team, the coach, and the owners. Those aspects are not always in sync nor are certain considerations always a priority over others.
>>
>> Floating an expiring contract (regardless of the WHO) in this economic climate where they carry even greater value is not outside the realm of possibility.
>>
>> Fans tend to get caught up in the personal side of personnel decisions. WHO is going. GMs have to also weigh the other aspects such as value (monetary and ability). The entire Patriot cap system has nothing to do with "WHO" - it is based on position, and that positions' (in their minds) contribution to the overall team (just to provide an example). The player is factored in AFTER that initial number is established, their age, statistics, future value, and numerous other things are considered, but I would doubt very highly - WHO is in the slot is considered much at all.
>>
>> Hard business lesson, but a business lesson most successful businesses subscribe to.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:02 PM
>> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> - Ray Allen, of whom Danny Ainge has been furiously trying
>>> to deal
>>> along with Rajon Rondo, apparently has heard the rumors,
>>> forced the
>>> issue forward, and asked for an extension. Well, do you
>>> think the
>>> mastermind Ainge will give in to Allen, extend him, and
>>> destroy the
>>> majority of his trade value? Ho ho ho. No no no.
>>
>> After using Ray/Paul/KG to entice Wallace to come to Boston, do you really think Danny is going to turn around and trade Ray before the season even starts? ?That's a slap in the face to everyone involved...
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Sun Sep 13 12:57:03 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 08:57:03 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D 	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <200909131123.n8DBNCdb027170@artemis.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <F685FEE9.A785.4331.922C.16707E8E4CA7@aol.com>

< Both {LAL and us} have made purely business decisions based?
on cost-benefit.. and as Josh said - keep on winning.>
- Pat Ryan?
--------------

Except of course for the many lean years leading up to the?
Garnett generous gift which eventually caused McHale?his job. ?

Celt records:

1993-94?32-50?
1994-95?35-47
1995-96?33-49 ?
1996-97?15-67 ?
1997-98?36-46?
1998-99?19-31 ?
1999-00?35-47 ?
2000-01?36-46?
2001-02?49-33?
2002-03?44-38 ?
2003-04?36-46?
2004-05?45-37 ?
2005-06?33-49??
2006-07?24-58?? 

Strange that Chris Wallace's gift to the Lakers (Gasol) hasn't?
cost him his job.? He's so darn likeable in person, he really is,
that he remains a survivor in the NBA.? Remember after drafting?
Kedrick Brown, trading Joe Johnson, and obtaining Vin Baker,?
how he actually went out pounding the pavement door-to-door to?
deliver miniature Celtics' hoops to potential Celt fans in the?
Boston suburbs??

Funny, funny stuff.
?

Egg

From eggcentric at aol.com  Sun Sep 13 13:02:30 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:02:30 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D 	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909130545g6928de3dl3ba5e3a148d258da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59FA6A11.B566.4C4F.8F60.11ACE8E13E4B@aol.com>


On Sep 13, 2009, at 8:45:10 AM, "Noah Evans" <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:

Respect, not money, is the currency of the NBA.

Noah
------------------------

Right on, Noah, which is why I think there could be ego problems up the
line with Daniels and Big Baby ... although ?they have said all the right
things in their press conferences.

From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Sun Sep 13 13:04:24 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:04:24 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D 	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <F685FEE9.A785.4331.922C.16707E8E4CA7@aol.com>
References: <200909131123.n8DBNCdb027170@artemis.afrc.af.mil>
	<F685FEE9.A785.4331.922C.16707E8E4CA7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <200909131304.n8DD4QIO024605@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>

I didn't want to go here as it is the Lakers we're talking about, but given that lean period you mention below - it could be argued that they are in fact the most consistent team if consistency was measured by staying in the playoff picture year after year after year. 

Just goes to show how bad the Pitino/Gaston/Carr/etc era really was - it made what was the greatest franchise in maybe all of sports (with the Canadiens and Yankees in the argument) not even thought of in that manner anymore by the majority of American basketball fans.


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:57 AM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: RE: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor

< Both {LAL and us} have made purely business decisions based?
on cost-benefit.. and as Josh said - keep on winning.>
- Pat Ryan?
--------------

Except of course for the many lean years leading up to the?
Garnett generous gift which eventually caused McHale?his job. ?

Celt records:

1993-94?32-50?
1994-95?35-47
1995-96?33-49 ?
1996-97?15-67 ?
1997-98?36-46?
1998-99?19-31 ?
1999-00?35-47 ?
2000-01?36-46?
2001-02?49-33?
2002-03?44-38 ?
2003-04?36-46?
2004-05?45-37 ?
2005-06?33-49??
2006-07?24-58?? 

Strange that Chris Wallace's gift to the Lakers (Gasol) hasn't?
cost him his job.? He's so darn likeable in person, he really is,
that he remains a survivor in the NBA.? Remember after drafting?
Kedrick Brown, trading Joe Johnson, and obtaining Vin Baker,?
how he actually went out pounding the pavement door-to-door to?
deliver miniature Celtics' hoops to potential Celt fans in the?
Boston suburbs??

Funny, funny stuff.
?

Egg
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http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics


From eggcentric at aol.com  Sun Sep 13 13:07:24 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:07:24 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D 	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <200909131304.n8DD4QIO024605@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <47824F3A.61E2.4736.B866.8CCDE0D53AF1@aol.com>

How about the Dave Gavitt years?

From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Sun Sep 13 13:09:34 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:09:34 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D 	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909130545g6928de3dl3ba5e3a148d258da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <349903.13771.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<676735.66859.qm@web65603.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<200909122001.n8CK1amC008301@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>
	<56a297000909121312w2ee8654eg98637013c9b8faed@mail.gmail.com>
	<200909131123.n8DBNCdb027170@artemis.afrc.af.mil>
	<56a297000909130545g6928de3dl3ba5e3a148d258da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200909131309.n8DD9bIO025430@poseidon.afrc.af.mil>

I don't disagree that respect is currency, but because it's tied with money as the "engine of that currency" so to speak - it is also very singular. In simple terms - I got mine (respect, money - they're interchangeable). Its apparent you and I disagree that this respect you speak of has memory. 

Given that each player is paid individually (your Kemp analogy) and not based on team accomplishments there may be short term implications (they traded Ray Allen!) which is the original point Ryan tried to make that the team would fall apart or revolt if Ray's expiring contract was traded, but long term - if respect is money, and money is individually gained then is it not logical that the next contract offered to the next player of significant "respect" (dollars) erases that memory? 

Hooooweeeee....I just made my own brain hurt. Where's the Brain Doc?


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Noah Evans
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:45 AM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor

No. You're right that the Bulls were an anomaly. However, the Lakers
and the Celtics got where they were not as much through business
acumen as their ability to consistently and fairly deal with their
players. The Celtics and Lakers(and lately the Spurs, Suns and
Detroit) are/were known to be fair and consistent with their players.
Notice I didn't say nice, just fair and consistent.

That's why Brand ditched the Clippers for less money and why Duncan
took a pay cut to stay with the Spurs. You could argue that they're
exceptional, but I'll argue that it's not.

The real reason that money matters in the NBA is that it *quantifies
the "respect" given to a player relative to his peers*. You don't get
into the NBA by being a push-over and trying to please  everybody.
Players are extremely sensitive their status relative to their peers
and any feelings of "disrespect" by a player will lead to smoldering
resentment and eventually a blowup.

I'll illustrate this with an example. Shawn Kemp didn't care about how
much money he made until the Sonics signed McIlvaine. Then he cared,
and he cared a lot because, a stiff like McIlvaine was getting more
"respect" than he was. Kemp pouted, the sonics traded for Baker and
the rest is history.

Respect, not money, is the currency of the NBA.

Noah


On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:23 PM,  <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> If you don't develop a value (value being cost-benefit not moral value) system in any GM job, you won't last long in that position. The most successful teams in the NBA have been the Celtics, Lakers and Bulls. The Bulls we can kind of throw out because that was all on one single player - I think he was just in Springfield, MA a couple days ago. So you have the Lakers and Celtics. Given their intimate relationship most of us know both pretty well. Both have made purely business decisions based on cost-benefit..and as Josh said - keep on winning.
>
> Just like every other career "choice" players make in the NBA - 90% of those choices are made by one thing - money. Weather, off-court opportunities, and in this case "respect and consistency" and other so-called decision making inputs are bandied about by us and the media, but it's the exception that makes a choice on any of those other than money.
>
> NBA contracts are guaranteed. Don't get much more respect and consistency than that. Players run this league with those rules in place. ?Players select coaches, force trades, and other more powerful demonstrations of that each and every season.
>
> This isn't absolving management of their infidelities - they freeze out injured players, destroy them in the media, and other pretty awful things - but they still through all that pay them their multi-million dollar salary - they have to by contract.
>
> So the ONLY time in the process that a GM can change their team is via trade given the strict cap (unless you have an owner willing to buy out anyone and everyone - Mark Cuban and Jimmy Dolan aside) or the offseason. A GM that doesn't even explore ALL of those options - whether the contract reads Ray Allen or Joseph Forte will not keep his job very long.
>
> Players and owners both might say "I signed for loyalty" or "I signed him for his loyalty" in the press, but they're lying - the player signed for the best contract (unless his name was Tedy Bruschi I suppose there are onsey-twosey exceptions to every rule) and the GM signed him because he was either a better player (measured by age, ability, maybe chemistry, but more the first two then the latter) than the next guy at the same price or the best guy at the current price.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Noah Evans
> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 4:12 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
>
> NBA players are not "fungible assets" in the same way that
> non-quarterback NFL players are. An NBA player's impact on his team is
> *much* larger. A franchise center or point guard can immediately take
> an also ran and turn it into a contender; he can also turn it into a
> laughing stock. If you look at the consistently successful teams over
> the history of the NBA they tend to be ones that treat their players
> with respect and consistency.
>
> Noah
>
> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:01 PM, ?<Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
>> Depends what he can get back. If anything.
>>
>> Ainge is many things - not everything Egg and George say and not everything supporters such as Ryan and Bonz say - but he is a GM - and GMs balance the wants and needs of not just fans (who are usually WAY down the list), but of the team, the coach, and the owners. Those aspects are not always in sync nor are certain considerations always a priority over others.
>>
>> Floating an expiring contract (regardless of the WHO) in this economic climate where they carry even greater value is not outside the realm of possibility.
>>
>> Fans tend to get caught up in the personal side of personnel decisions. WHO is going. GMs have to also weigh the other aspects such as value (monetary and ability). The entire Patriot cap system has nothing to do with "WHO" - it is based on position, and that positions' (in their minds) contribution to the overall team (just to provide an example). The player is factored in AFTER that initial number is established, their age, statistics, future value, and numerous other things are considered, but I would doubt very highly - WHO is in the slot is considered much at all.
>>
>> Hard business lesson, but a business lesson most successful businesses subscribe to.
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
>> Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:02 PM
>> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 9/12/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> - Ray Allen, of whom Danny Ainge has been furiously trying
>>> to deal
>>> along with Rajon Rondo, apparently has heard the rumors,
>>> forced the
>>> issue forward, and asked for an extension. Well, do you
>>> think the
>>> mastermind Ainge will give in to Allen, extend him, and
>>> destroy the
>>> majority of his trade value? Ho ho ho. No no no.
>>
>> After using Ray/Paul/KG to entice Wallace to come to Boston, do you really think Danny is going to turn around and trade Ray before the season even starts? ?That's a slap in the face to everyone involved...
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> celtics at igtc.com
>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Sun Sep 13 13:38:31 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:38:31 -0400
Subject: Killing Us Softly With Their Songs
In-Reply-To: <20090912130151.1H004.21505.imail@eastrmwml41>
Message-ID: <27331DFF.F6F1.4BEA.8507.24E305534E2D@aol.com>

< Dr. Egg, you know that for certain? I think you're wrong.>
- BradyBonz

Ah yes, yet another conditioned response from Ivan Pavlov?s great?
great great great great grandson.? What exactly is the ?that? you?
refer to which you feel is so wrong?

From bradybonz at cox.net  Sun Sep 13 15:00:19 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:00:19 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D 	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <F685FEE9.A785.4331.922C.16707E8E4CA7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090913110019.4MMDE.148526.imail@eastrmwml39>

The generous gift from McHale was at least in exchange from some good talent and at the time, a futre All Star in Jefferson.  The dufus Wallace, gave Pao motr sd s gift than a logical trade.  Unfortuntaely, it didn't cost him his job.  Too bad.
---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> < Both {LAL and us} have made purely business decisions based?
> on cost-benefit.. and as Josh said - keep on winning.>
> - Pat Ryan?
> --------------
> 
> Except of course for the many lean years leading up to the?
> Garnett generous gift which eventually caused McHale?his job. ?
> 
> Celt records:
> 
> 1993-94?32-50?
> 1994-95?35-47
> 1995-96?33-49 ?
> 1996-97?15-67 ?
> 1997-98?36-46?
> 1998-99?19-31 ?
> 1999-00?35-47 ?
> 2000-01?36-46?
> 2001-02?49-33?
> 2002-03?44-38 ?
> 2003-04?36-46?
> 2004-05?45-37 ?
> 2005-06?33-49??
> 2006-07?24-58?? 
> 
> Strange that Chris Wallace's gift to the Lakers (Gasol) hasn't?
> cost him his job.? He's so darn likeable in person, he really is,
> that he remains a survivor in the NBA.? Remember after drafting?
> Kedrick Brown, trading Joe Johnson, and obtaining Vin Baker,?
> how he actually went out pounding the pavement door-to-door to?
> deliver miniature Celtics' hoops to potential Celt fans in the?
> Boston suburbs??
> 
> Funny, funny stuff.
> ?
> 
> Egg
> _______________________________________________
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From bradybonz at cox.net  Sun Sep 13 15:07:28 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 11:07:28 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D 	Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <59FA6A11.B566.4C4F.8F60.11ACE8E13E4B@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20090913110728.UF7FD.148566.imail@eastrmwml39>

Of course there could, Egg.  Nothing happens good in Boston.  By the way, where were your congratulations and respect given to Ainge when we won #17?  Mysteriously, your posts were minimal and you appeared to disappear.  Probably those crow sandwiches affected your fingers. Actually, I can't recall one congratulatory post, but they were so few, I probably missed it.  You only report the "bad" as you hope and perceive it to be.  Where was the celebration for winning 17?  Can you answer that one, or continue to ignore it  (on a number of occasions)because you know I'm right?  And, I doubt in this case there will be any  problems with Daniels or Davis.  Just pure conjecture and wishful thinking on your part, as usual.
---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> 
> On Sep 13, 2009, at 8:45:10 AM, "Noah Evans" <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Respect, not money, is the currency of the NBA.
> 
> Noah
> ------------------------
> 
> Right on, Noah, which is why I think there could be ego problems up the
> line with Daniels and Big Baby ... although ?they have said all the right
> things in their press conferences.
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 13 16:26:44 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:26:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <20090913110728.UF7FD.148566.imail@eastrmwml39>
Message-ID: <20445.87904.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

There was at least one congratulations post--check the archives if you don't believe it.

http://www.igtc.com/pipermail/celtics/

Ryan

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:

> From: bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 10:07 AM
> Of course there could, Egg.?
> Nothing happens good in Boston.? By the way, where were
> your congratulations and respect given to Ainge when we won
> #17?? Mysteriously, your posts were minimal and you
> appeared to disappear.? Probably those crow sandwiches
> affected your fingers. Actually, I can't recall one
> congratulatory post, but they were so few, I probably missed
> it.? You only report the "bad" as you hope and perceive
> it to be.? Where was the celebration for winning
> 17?? Can you answer that one, or continue to ignore
> it? (on a number of occasions)because you know I'm
> right?? And, I doubt in this case there will be
> any? problems with Daniels or Davis.? Just pure
> conjecture and wishful thinking on your part, as usual.
> ---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> wrote: 
> > 
> > On Sep 13, 2009, at 8:45:10 AM, "Noah Evans" <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > 
> > Respect, not money, is the currency of the NBA.
> > 
> > Noah
> > ------------------------
> > 
> > Right on, Noah, which is why I think there could be
> ego problems up the
> > line with Daniels and Big Baby ... although ?they
> have said all the right
> > things in their press conferences.
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 13 16:31:43 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 09:31:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <59FA6A11.B566.4C4F.8F60.11ACE8E13E4B@aol.com>
Message-ID: <639445.98264.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Daniels specifically sought out the Cs, offering himself for the LLE (or better, if a sign-and-trade couldn't be worked out).  By positioning himself for a one-year contract on a championship contender, it *was* for the money---that he can earn next summer after a good year on a championship team.  There will be no respect issues from him this season--he knows the score and what a good year could do for him financially.

Davis, likewise, has similar motivation, though it's towards the summer of 2011.  

Ryan

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

> From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 8:02 AM
> 
> On Sep 13, 2009, at 8:45:10 AM, "Noah Evans" <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Respect, not money, is the currency of the NBA.
> 
> Noah
> ------------------------
> 
> Right on, Noah, which is why I think there could be ego
> problems up the
> line with Daniels and Big Baby ... although ?they have
> said all the right
> things in their press conferences.
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> 


      


From bradybonz at cox.net  Sun Sep 13 17:24:26 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:24:26 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <20445.87904.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090913132426.PW04K.155404.imail@eastrmwml36>

You just proved my statement- I said minimal and few if any.   And I qualified it by saying I must have missed that lone one.  Do you get my pont?  And I doubt Danny got the kudos for GM of the year.  I've bashed Danny over the Walker jettison a number of times in the past, calling him a snake among other things, and done it moreso than any her positive posts.  My point is correct.  Far more negative than credit given by the new brain doctor. I appreciate you defending Profblidiot, since I've been told I add nothing to this board, but my point is correct and that can't be disputed. It still won't stop me from posting if that was a subtle attempt to prove once again that I offer nothing.
---- Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> There was at least one congratulations post--check the archives if you don't believe it.
> 
> http://www.igtc.com/pipermail/celtics/
> 
> Ryan
> 
> --- On Sun, 9/13/09, bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
> > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 10:07 AM
> > Of course there could, Egg.?
> > Nothing happens good in Boston.? By the way, where were
> > your congratulations and respect given to Ainge when we won
> > #17?? Mysteriously, your posts were minimal and you
> > appeared to disappear.? Probably those crow sandwiches
> > affected your fingers. Actually, I can't recall one
> > congratulatory post, but they were so few, I probably missed
> > it.? You only report the "bad" as you hope and perceive
> > it to be.? Where was the celebration for winning
> > 17?? Can you answer that one, or continue to ignore
> > it? (on a number of occasions)because you know I'm
> > right?? And, I doubt in this case there will be
> > any? problems with Daniels or Davis.? Just pure
> > conjecture and wishful thinking on your part, as usual.
> > ---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> > wrote: 
> > > 
> > > On Sep 13, 2009, at 8:45:10 AM, "Noah Evans" <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > Respect, not money, is the currency of the NBA.
> > > 
> > > Noah
> > > ------------------------
> > > 
> > > Right on, Noah, which is why I think there could be
> > ego problems up the
> > > line with Daniels and Big Baby ... although ?they
> > have said all the right
> > > things in their press conferences.
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> 
> 
>       
> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics


From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Sun Sep 13 17:52:49 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:52:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Ray's wild weekend
Message-ID: <4551.32872.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

>> why not a three team deal between Boston - Miami - 
Phoenix with Rondo & Stoudamire going to Miami; Wade & Barbosa to the Celtics; Perkins, Ray & Haslem to Phoenix with a few other pieces tossed in to make everything cappy happy and get the Celtics back a big.

Um, because that would be trading three of your starters for 1.5 starters?




      


From bradybonz at cox.net  Sun Sep 13 17:55:41 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:55:41 -0400
Subject: Ray's wild weekend
In-Reply-To: <4551.32872.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090913135541.04PO8.155723.imail@eastrmwml36>

Don't have tobe a rocket scientist to figure that one out.  Good catch.
---- Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> >> why not a three team deal between Boston - Miami - 
> Phoenix with Rondo & Stoudamire going to Miami; Wade & Barbosa to the Celtics; Perkins, Ray & Haslem to Phoenix with a few other pieces tossed in to make everything cappy happy and get the Celtics back a big.
> 
> Um, because that would be trading three of your starters for 1.5 starters?
> 
> 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics


From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 14 00:54:05 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:54:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <20090913132426.PW04K.155404.imail@eastrmwml36>
Message-ID: <987328.66402.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I got your 'pont'. I was just saying you could check the archives and leave the speculation for another day.

Ryan

--- On Sun, 9/13/09, bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:

> From: bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Cc: "Ryan W" <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 12:24 PM
> You just proved my statement- I said
> minimal and few if any.???And I qualified it
> by saying I must have missed that lone one.? Do you get
> my pont?? And I doubt Danny got the kudos for GM of the
> year.? I've bashed Danny over the Walker jettison a
> number of times in the past, calling him a snake among other
> things, and done it moreso than any her positive
> posts.? My point is correct.? Far more negative
> than credit given by the new brain doctor. I appreciate you
> defending Profblidiot, since I've been told I add nothing to
> this board, but my point is correct and that can't be
> disputed. It still won't stop me from posting if that was a
> subtle attempt to prove once again that I offer nothing.
> ---- Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> wrote: 
> > There was at least one congratulations post--check the
> archives if you don't believe it.
> > 
> > http://www.igtc.com/pipermail/celtics/
> > 
> > Ryan
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 9/13/09, bradybonz at cox.net
> <bradybonz at cox.net>
> wrote:
> > 
> > > From: bradybonz at cox.net
> <bradybonz at cox.net>
> > > Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and
> Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D? Wade, Giddens,
> Mike Taylor
> > > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 10:07 AM
> > > Of course there could, Egg.?
> > > Nothing happens good in Boston.? By the way,
> where were
> > > your congratulations and respect given to Ainge
> when we won
> > > #17?? Mysteriously, your posts were minimal and
> you
> > > appeared to disappear.? Probably those crow
> sandwiches
> > > affected your fingers. Actually, I can't recall
> one
> > > congratulatory post, but they were so few, I
> probably missed
> > > it.? You only report the "bad" as you hope and
> perceive
> > > it to be.? Where was the celebration for
> winning
> > > 17?? Can you answer that one, or continue to
> ignore
> > > it? (on a number of occasions)because you know
> I'm
> > > right?? And, I doubt in this case there will be
> > > any? problems with Daniels or Davis.? Just
> pure
> > > conjecture and wishful thinking on your part, as
> usual.
> > > ---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> > > wrote: 
> > > > 
> > > > On Sep 13, 2009, at 8:45:10 AM, "Noah Evans"
> <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Respect, not money, is the currency of the
> NBA.
> > > > 
> > > > Noah
> > > > ------------------------
> > > > 
> > > > Right on, Noah, which is why I think there
> could be
> > > ego problems up the
> > > > line with Daniels and Big Baby ... although
> ?they
> > > have said all the right
> > > > things in their press conferences.
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > 
> > 
> >? ? ???
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> 
> 


      


From jahillsr at comcast.net  Mon Sep 14 01:12:59 2009
From: jahillsr at comcast.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:12:59 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
Message-ID: <000001ca34d8$7ff6a010$7fe3e030$@net>

There is little question to your read on this situation, IMO.  As long as
this team is winning and everyone that acts like an adult. is treated like
an adult, as Management has consistently done, I doubt there is much
grousing going on.  I see a potential contract issue with Ray, but nothing
on the court. Ray is a winner who always plays to win.  I agree Baby has
motivation, after he learned this summer that he needs to up his game to
earn enough interest for that big contract from other teams.  I think his
need to do this bodes well for the team

<Jim

 

Daniels specifically sought out the Cs, offering himself for the LLE (or
better, if a sign-and-trade couldn't be worked out).  By positioning himself
for a one-year contract on a championship contender, it *was* for the
money---that he can earn next summer after a good year on a championship
team.  There will be no respect issues from him this season--he knows the
score and what a good year could do for him financially.

 

Davis, likewise, has similar motivation, though it's towards the summer of
2011.  

 

Ryan

 


From bradybonz at cox.net  Mon Sep 14 03:44:41 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:44:41 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <987328.66402.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090913234441.TJ0AZ.158527.imail@eastrmwml29>

No need for the sarcasm of the mispelling, as that is a cheap shot, but then why should I be surprised when a number of you just keep kissing her ass.  And  my apolgies for the artritus in my fingers for the typo. I might be lazy in not using the spell check and be eloquent like many of you, but I don't need instructions on how to use archives.  But since the posts were so few, I wasn't going to be  Perry Mason to dig it out.  It just isn't worth it. That's why I covered my tracks by using few, or if any. I know your loyalty, as is most on this board is with her, but I also go back 15 years with this kind of crap on a number of boards, not to mention having taken her personal insults in private e-mails.  There certainly is no love or friendliness between us and I prefer it that way. But you can feel free to defend poor little Egg until your blue in the face, but the fact remains she had very little to say when they won #17, and continues bashed this team from ML to the present.  That's fact, not fiction.  And since only a few have the balls to actually challenge her, its like fighting an uphill battle.  But I have relentless energy and welcome the challenge.  And if you want to team up with the Professor, it's even better. Just can the sarcasm shit becasue of a misprint.  I expected more from you, but then, I suppose it doesn't matter becasue I offer nothing to your board.
---- Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> Yeah, I got your 'pont'. I was just saying you could check the archives and leave the speculation for another day.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> --- On Sun, 9/13/09, bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > From: bradybonz at cox.net <bradybonz at cox.net>
> > Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
> > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Cc: "Ryan W" <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 12:24 PM
> > You just proved my statement- I said
> > minimal and few if any.???And I qualified it
> > by saying I must have missed that lone one.? Do you get
> > my pont?? And I doubt Danny got the kudos for GM of the
> > year.? I've bashed Danny over the Walker jettison a
> > number of times in the past, calling him a snake among other
> > things, and done it moreso than any her positive
> > posts.? My point is correct.? Far more negative
> > than credit given by the new brain doctor. I appreciate you
> > defending Profblidiot, since I've been told I add nothing to
> > this board, but my point is correct and that can't be
> > disputed. It still won't stop me from posting if that was a
> > subtle attempt to prove once again that I offer nothing.
> > ---- Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> > wrote: 
> > > There was at least one congratulations post--check the
> > archives if you don't believe it.
> > > 
> > > http://www.igtc.com/pipermail/celtics/
> > > 
> > > Ryan
> > > 
> > > --- On Sun, 9/13/09, bradybonz at cox.net
> > <bradybonz at cox.net>
> > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: bradybonz at cox.net
> > <bradybonz at cox.net>
> > > > Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and
> > Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray, D? Wade, Giddens,
> > Mike Taylor
> > > > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > > Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 10:07 AM
> > > > Of course there could, Egg.?
> > > > Nothing happens good in Boston.? By the way,
> > where were
> > > > your congratulations and respect given to Ainge
> > when we won
> > > > #17?? Mysteriously, your posts were minimal and
> > you
> > > > appeared to disappear.? Probably those crow
> > sandwiches
> > > > affected your fingers. Actually, I can't recall
> > one
> > > > congratulatory post, but they were so few, I
> > probably missed
> > > > it.? You only report the "bad" as you hope and
> > perceive
> > > > it to be.? Where was the celebration for
> > winning
> > > > 17?? Can you answer that one, or continue to
> > ignore
> > > > it? (on a number of occasions)because you know
> > I'm
> > > > right?? And, I doubt in this case there will be
> > > > any? problems with Daniels or Davis.? Just
> > pure
> > > > conjecture and wishful thinking on your part, as
> > usual.
> > > > ---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> > > > wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > > On Sep 13, 2009, at 8:45:10 AM, "Noah Evans"
> > <noah.evans at gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > Respect, not money, is the currency of the
> > NBA.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Noah
> > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > 
> > > > > Right on, Noah, which is why I think there
> > could be
> > > > ego problems up the
> > > > > line with Daniels and Big Baby ... although
> > ?they
> > > > have said all the right
> > > > > things in their press conferences.
> > > > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > > > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > > 
> > > 
> > >? ? ???
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
>       
> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics


From bradybonz at cox.net  Mon Sep 14 03:49:46 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 23:49:46 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <000001ca34d8$7ff6a010$7fe3e030$@net>
Message-ID: <20090913234946.W2C8G.158563.imail@eastrmwml29>

You are correct in your analysis Jim.  There is no indication that there is any friction or jealousy among players.  This team knows they are on the brink of winning another championship, health being it's only major obastacle.  These players are big boys now, and although some are still chronically young, most have matured by being in successive playoffs.
All things being equal, and if health is on our side, this may be a better squad than the 2008 championship team-talent wise, that is.
---- Jim Hill <jahillsr at comcast.net> wrote: 
> There is little question to your read on this situation, IMO.  As long as
> this team is winning and everyone that acts like an adult. is treated like
> an adult, as Management has consistently done, I doubt there is much
> grousing going on.  I see a potential contract issue with Ray, but nothing
> on the court. Ray is a winner who always plays to win.  I agree Baby has
> motivation, after he learned this summer that he needs to up his game to
> earn enough interest for that big contract from other teams.  I think his
> need to do this bodes well for the team
> 
> <Jim
> 
>  
> 
> Daniels specifically sought out the Cs, offering himself for the LLE (or
> better, if a sign-and-trade couldn't be worked out).  By positioning himself
> for a one-year contract on a championship contender, it *was* for the
> money---that he can earn next summer after a good year on a championship
> team.  There will be no respect issues from him this season--he knows the
> score and what a good year could do for him financially.
> 
>  
> 
> Davis, likewise, has similar motivation, though it's towards the summer of
> 2011.  
> 
>  
> 
> Ryan
> 
>  
> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics


From Eric at ericalbert.net  Mon Sep 14 04:02:00 2009
From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 00:02:00 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade,
	Ray, D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
Message-ID: <20090914040219.1DCDAE1B621@ignite.igtc.com>


><bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:
>
>No need for the sarcasm of the mispelling, as that is a cheap shot, but then why should I be surprised when a number of you just keep kissing her ass. <and so on>

Could we all please stop attacking each other? If there's someone whose posts you don't enjoy, just have your e-mail program delete their messages before you even see them. That's what I do for several members of this list, and it makes life more peaceful.

-- Eric


From bradybonz at cox.net  Mon Sep 14 04:21:22 2009
From: bradybonz at cox.net (bradybonz at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 0:21:22 -0400
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <20090914040219.1DCDAE1B621@ignite.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <20090914002122.WQ3ZD.158799.imail@eastrmwml29>

I was responding to Egg's post.  Ryan stepped in and gave me a back handed sarcastic and uncalled for insult on a misspelled word with quotation marks.  I responded back to him with a pure and simple fact.  Again, everyone rushes to the poor Egg's defense, as sycophantic behavior seems to be a norm here.  And of course, you quote me as the bad guy.  But's it's perfectly alright to criticize Ainge and Celtic managment for anything they do. And it's perfectly alright with you for her to have insulted me and mention me personally in her posts.  Why don't you and Ryan check the archives on those.
Anyone can scan archives without being able to post.  I got plenty of shit from Egg, both on a number of boards and in personal e-mails.  I was the brunt of a number of her jokes, long before you were posting, unless you were doing so back in 94. She was also tossed off because she had a certain agenda other than bashing management, and it was for her amusement to poke fun at posters who were serioous about the Celtics. 
I'll spare you the details, but there are at least a dozen peole who will corroborate the fact that she had used us as "subjects' for a piece she was working on.   But since you people who will not allow free speech here want to make this a goody two shoes board, you can have your wish.
I'll leave and make you all happy.  Are you satisfied now>
---- Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net> wrote: 
> 
> ><bradybonz at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >No need for the sarcasm of the mispelling, as that is a cheap shot, but then why should I be surprised when a number of you just keep kissing her ass. <and so on>
> 
> Could we all please stop attacking each other? If there's someone whose posts you don't enjoy, just have your e-mail program delete their messages before you even see them. That's what I do for several members of this list, and it makes life more peaceful.
> 
> -- Eric
> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics


From jahillsr at comcast.net  Mon Sep 14 13:23:57 2009
From: jahillsr at comcast.net (jahillsr at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:23:57 +0000
Subject: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,
	D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
In-Reply-To: <1878306768-1252933200-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-939746411-@bda551.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1878306768-1252933200-cardhu_blackberry.rim.net-copy_sent_folder-939746411-@bda551.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <1036398860-1252934557-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-551122933-@bda551.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Nah, don't do that. Egg keeps promising to leave yet keeps coming back, as she has a right. Don't fall for the censorship attacks. I appreciate posts that aren't agenda based as some are. 
<Jim 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: jahillsr at comcast.net

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:01:38 
To: <bradybonz at cox.net>
Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor


Thanks BradyBonz, I agree with most everything you contribute to this board. I went down the road of calling Egg out over the past few years, and with the exception of once-in-a-while I just try to ignore her. She has a personal issue with new ownership/management and runs her contributions with that agenda. Have a great day. Pats on tonite!
<Jim
------Original Message------
From: bradybonz at cox.net
To: Celtics igtc
Cc: Jim Hill
Subject: Re: Wild Weekend Of Rumours and Speculations: Minnesota Trade, Ray,D  Wade, Giddens, Mike Taylor
Sent: Sep 13, 2009 11:49 PM

You are correct in your analysis Jim.  There is no indication that there is any friction or jealousy among players.  This team knows they are on the brink of winning another championship, health being it's only major obastacle.  These players are big boys now, and although some are still chronically young, most have matured by being in successive playoffs.
All things being equal, and if health is on our side, this may be a better squad than the 2008 championship team-talent wise, that is.
---- Jim Hill <jahillsr at comcast.net> wrote: 
> There is little question to your read on this situation, IMO.  As long as
> this team is winning and everyone that acts like an adult. is treated like
> an adult, as Management has consistently done, I doubt there is much
> grousing going on.  I see a potential contract issue with Ray, but nothing
> on the court. Ray is a winner who always plays to win.  I agree Baby has
> motivation, after he learned this summer that he needs to up his game to
> earn enough interest for that big contract from other teams.  I think his
> need to do this bodes well for the team
> 
> <Jim
> 
>  
> 
> Daniels specifically sought out the Cs, offering himself for the LLE (or
> better, if a sign-and-trade couldn't be worked out).  By positioning himself
> for a one-year contract on a championship contender, it *was* for the
> money---that he can earn next summer after a good year on a championship
> team.  There will be no respect issues from him this season--he knows the
> score and what a good year could do for him financially.
> 
>  
> 
> Davis, likewise, has similar motivation, though it's towards the summer of
> 2011.  
> 
>  
> 
> Ryan
> 
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Mon Sep 14 14:38:35 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:38:35 -0400
Subject: Garrett Temple revisited
Message-ID: <D69E3A5E.4248.4526.9F13.E098DC01BB71@aol.com>

< The Rockets reached agreement on non-guaranteed contracts?
with guards Will Conroy and Garrett Temple, players who excelled?
with the Rockets summer league team and who will help round?
out the training camp roster.> - Houston Chronicle

Was interested in reading this.? Doubt Temple will make Houston's?
final roster, but he's the guy I have been wondering what happened?
to after hearing that he caught Danny's eye in several pre-draft ?
workouts.? As we know, Lester Hudson was signed instead at #58.?
And now Ainge has brought in several low-budget NBA free agent?
PGs to test/scrimmage against Hudson to further evaluate his 
talent.?These guys are all desperate for contracts.

Adding a PG is based 100% upon Walker's progress.? He is the?
key to our second team configuration.? Depending on how well?
Billy continues to progress as a respectable backup SF,? Daniels?
could then be utilized as Rondo's backup instead of?
a wing backup. ? If Walker doesn't impress, Dan Dickau could be?
added as a 15th man (although Danny has not wanted to add?
a 15th player pre-season) ahead of Lester, Lue, or Mike Taylor, 
who is?actually younger than Hudson and has shown more.

Holy cow! You think ?There's something about Dan??
which most of us missed?

Egg

From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 14 16:56:54 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 09:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Garrett Temple revisited
In-Reply-To: <D69E3A5E.4248.4526.9F13.E098DC01BB71@aol.com>
Message-ID: <150477.90888.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Mon, 9/14/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

> From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> Subject: Garrett Temple revisited
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:38 AM
> < The Rockets reached agreement on
> non-guaranteed contracts?
> with guards Will Conroy and Garrett Temple, players who
> excelled?
> with the Rockets summer league team and who will help
> round?
> out the training camp roster.> - Houston Chronicle
> 
> Was interested in reading this.? Doubt Temple will make
> Houston's?
> final roster, but he's the guy I have been wondering what
> happened?
> to after hearing that he caught Danny's eye in several
> pre-draft ?
> workouts.? As we know, Lester Hudson was signed instead at
> #58.?
> And now Ainge has brought in several low-budget NBA free
> agent?
> PGs to test/scrimmage against Hudson to further evaluate
> his 
> talent.?These guys are all desperate for contracts.

Good stuff, Egg.  Daryl Morey, Houston GM, is from Boston and is our former SVP of Operations and Information.  I'm sure he and Ainge talk regularly and if Ainge couldn't find room for Temple, he probably sent in a good word to Daryl. 

> Adding a PG is based 100% upon Walker's progress.? He is
> the?
> key to our second team configuration.? Depending on how
> well?
> Billy continues to progress as a respectable backup SF,?
> Daniels?
> could then be utilized as Rondo's backup instead of?
> a wing backup. ? If Walker doesn't impress, Dan Dickau
> could be?
> added as a 15th man (although Danny has not wanted to
> add?
> a 15th player pre-season) ahead of Lester, Lue, or Mike
> Taylor, 
> who is?actually younger than Hudson and has shown more.

Interesting stuff again, Egg.  This is some new information for sure, and I'd have to think that Billy will progress enough to handle the 12-15 minutes available at backup 3.  But what are the parameters?  I.e., will they wait until training camp starts to determine if he's good enough, or are they making these determinations based off the informal workouts currently being held at Healthpoint?

> Holy cow! You think ?There's something about Dan??
> which most of us missed?

No!  Dan was and is a terrible NBA player.  I'd hate the think that our GM is feeling 'forced' to sign him as some kind of backup.  Eddie House is 10 times better at backup point guard, for instance.

Ryan


      


From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 14 18:28:47 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 11:28:47 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Great new interview with Lester Hudson
In-Reply-To: <3c09127e2654bcaa321d1d556329ee45-p48450@celticsblog.com>
Message-ID: <445582.10645.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Y'all should check out this new interview with Lester Hudson (below) from the good guys at Celtics Town.  From: http://www.celticstown.com/ill-never-back-down-the-chronicles-of-lester-hudson.html

I really hope we sign this guy.

Ryan




Jay King: Can you tell me a little bit about your journey from Central High School to Southwest Tennessee Community College, and finally to UT-Martin?
Lester Hudson: I grew up in a pretty bad neighborhood, but instead of being dragged down by my surroundings I was always determined to do whatever I could to get out of the neighborhood.

I actually didn't know how much I loved basketball until I was able to play for my high school coach. He saw me playing one day and asked me if I would try out for the team. Later on, after I knew how much I loved the game and had finished a successful high school career, I wasn't allowed to play my senior year. Since I had failed my ninth grade year and had to repeat it, they wouldn't let me play during my last year at school. Without basketball, I didn't do my work, and wound up short of graduating high school.

The following year, while I was working on getting my GED, my high school coach asked me if I wanted to go to a tryout for the Southwest Tennessee Community College team ? he never lost faith in me, never stopped thinking I could play college ball. I did really well against the players on the team, and I was offered a spot in school and on the team.

By the time I got into STCC, I knew that I needed to work hard in school to continue my dream of playing basketball and escaping my neighborhood. I had two unbelievable years at STCC ? I think I was rated one of the top twenty junior college players in the country ? but I once again didn't graduate. Because I was behind, I had to take beginner courses to get into the real courses, and I failed to meet all the graduation requirements.

Since I didn't graduate, I couldn't go right into playing college basketball, and I couldn't have a scholarship my first year. I decided to go to UT-Martin, but I had to pay my way for the first year ? a year I red-shirted. I received financial aid and took out loans to cover the rest of the money, and I finished up my college career at UT-Martin.

A lot of Celtics fans don't know much about your game. Could you describe your game for us?
I can score the ball really well, get in the passing lanes, and fill up the stat sheet. I rebound, pass, and play defense. Basically, I do whatever my team needs me to do. At UT-Martin, I had to score to help us win, but with the Celtics I'm willing to do whatever the coaches ask me to do, whatever the team needs me to do so we can win.

I consider myself a very good defender. I like to play both ends of the floor because I know that if I'm scoring but then coming back the other way and giving up a bucket, it doesn't help us out. I pride myself in being able to put a lot of pressure on ball-handlers and being a disruptive force.

In college, my coach actually had to ask me to stop applying so much pressure on defense, because I was getting into a little bit of foul trouble. The team needed me on the floor, so I couldn't pick up cheap fouls. In the NBA, I should be able to be an even better defender than I was in college.

I'm an aggressive player on both ends and a very good rebounder who isn't afraid to mix it up down low ? despite my size. If I had to describe my game in one sentence, I'd say I am an all-around player and a winner.

How do you feel about being drafted by the Boston Celtics?
I think I'm in the best position of anybody who was drafted. Danny Green (drafted by Cleveland) is the only other player in a comparable position.

First of all, I get a chance to play for the best team in the world. I'm in a great position because I get to play with veteran guys who know how to play the game and are willing to help me out. Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins, Glen Davis ? and I could keep going ? those guys are all great players and know what it takes to succeed in this league.

Even playing with those guys in Waltham (at the Celtics' practice facilities), I am trying to let them help me out. Paul Pierce took me aside the other day and taught me different ways to use a pick-and-roll. Coming out of college, I don't know as much about the little parts of the game as these guys do, and I'm just trying to learn as much as I can.

I know you tested the draft waters after your junior year. How do you feel about staying for your senior season?
You know, everything happens for a reason. Coming out of my junior year, I was really close to turning pro. I actually received a lot of good feedback from the teams, and was told I would have gone higher in the draft last year than I did this year.

But everything happens for a reason, and I now have a diploma, which means a lot to me, and a chance to play for the best team in the world. So I would say everything has turned out very well.

How long have you been living and working out in Waltham for?
I've been here for about two months, working on my conditioning, ball-handling and shooting. With my finger, I was only cleared to play full-court last week. I was able to still do all my drills before that, but I wasn't cleared for contact until then.

Now, I'm out here trying to get acclimated to the Celtics and work on my game. The coaching staff told me I should work on my ball-handling the most. In college, I handled the ball a lot and did a good job of it, but nobody really put too much pressure on me. I was the star, and the other team knew if they pressured me I was going to go right by them. Now, with trees like Dwight Howard down low, teams will be able to pressure and not be so worried about me going by them. So I've been working a lot on my ball-handling to be able to handle that NBA pressure.

Everybody else started getting here a couple weeks ago, and now almost everybody is here in Waltham. I'm excited to be able to learn from all the guys and keep getting better.

I think the veterans like me, because they know I want to get better and that I'll never back down from anybody. It doesn't matter who I'm playing, I'll never back down. I could be playing against Kobe Bryant, but I'm going to go after him. It doesn't matter who it is.

Coming out of a small school, do you feel at a disadvantage compared to the players who played better competition?
No. I think I'm ready, and I'm confident in myself. I don't feel that anybody can stop me from scoring the ball.

In college, every team I played knew I was going to score twenty on them, at least. They threw double and triple teams at me, and I had to score against more defensive attention than anybody in the major conferences. If I had been at Duke, Carolina, or Michigan State, I would have had a lot more help. Not to say my teammates weren't good players, they were great teammates, but other teams could get away with doubling or tripling me. At those other schools, where guys have so many other talented teammates, they don't face the defensive attention that I faced every night.

I feel that if I had been on national T.V. eight times last year, I would have been drafted a lot higher. If I was on T.V. eight times, I would have had eight great games in front of scouts. I would have had at least 25 points in front of scouts, eight different times. I would have gotten a lot more exposure, and my play would have spoken for itself.

But everything worked out. I ended up in Boston, and I am in a great situation where I get to work with veteran players who know how to win.

How is your contract situation coming along?
I'm just trying to stay patient and let my play decide my contract. It's up to nobody but me, whether I earn a spot on the team. I'm not worried about it, I'm just out here trying to impress whoever I can... the coaching staff, Danny Ainge, the owners, the weight trainers, the equipment managers, everybody. I'm going to let my play do my talking, and hopefully the contract will work itself out.



      


From renrile at qualcomm.com  Mon Sep 14 21:01:11 2009
From: renrile at qualcomm.com (Enrile, Roy)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 14:01:11 -0700
Subject: Great new interview with Lester Hudson
In-Reply-To: <445582.10645.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <3c09127e2654bcaa321d1d556329ee45-p48450@celticsblog.com>
	<445582.10645.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0938E4C6C3C7CF48BB2F343EC9CF161814FDFB518D@NASANEXMB02.na.qualcomm.com>

Seems like Hudson is in the Leon/BillyWalker mode when it comes to on-court toughness & playing with a chip on his shoulder (the C's do need that in practices & games).

But it could be a little red flag that just because he wan't allowed to play senior year HS basketball, he wasn't hungry enough to "do his work" and graduate.  He nearly missed out on nba money, college ball, and better chances at a possible non-bball career, since he wasn't determined to get to college or at least graduate HS.

In the 1 preseason game he looked really strong and quick with some shooting touch, but only seemed comfortable when he did SteveFrancis/Iverson style 1 on 1 pullup jumper plays.  He didn't show the slight instincts/vision for controlling an offense, that Delonte,Bassy,Orien showed early on.



-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:29 AM


Y'all should check out this new interview with Lester Hudson (below) from the good guys at Celtics Town.  From: http://www.celticstown.com/ill-never-back-down-the-chronicles-of-lester-hudson.html


From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Mon Sep 14 22:04:18 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:04:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Egg, for once I agree with you ... sort of
Message-ID: <2268.36754.qm@web110113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I suspect this is spot on: "Adding a PG is based 100% upon Walker's progress.  He is the key to our second team configuration.  Depending on how well Billy continues to progress as a respectable backup SF,  Daniels 
could then be utilized as Rondo's backup instead of a wing backup."

My hunch is Daniels might still be the first wing off the bench, but if Walker's able to earn minutes, Marquis can slide to the 1 when Bill comes into the game.

Not sure, though, how you can say Mike Taylor has "shown more" than Hudson. Taylor's got a year in the NBA under his belt; Hudson was injured after one summer-league game, so on what basis are you comparing him to Taylor? I'd say the jury's still out.



      


From pmaymin at gmail.com  Tue Sep 15 02:15:05 2009
From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Phil Maymin)
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 22:15:05 -0400
Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] NBDL Tryouts to be Held in Boston
In-Reply-To: <0KOF008RLM59BFEA@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KOF008RLM59BFEA@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>
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I just got my confirmation in the mail!

Anybody else on these lists trying out for the Celtics D-league team on Oct
3? If so see you there.

They put up the pictures from the Charlotte tryouts for the Red Claws,
Gerald Wallace came by to watch. Maybe we'll have a couple Celtic players
swing by, that would be cool.

Phil

On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 3:00 PM, John S <js33 at verizon.net> wrote:

>
>
> *http://www.weei.com/* <http://www.weei.com/>
>
> *NBDL Tryouts to be Held in Boston *
>
>
> http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2009/08/14/nbdl-tryouts-to-be-held-in-boston/
>
> 08.14.09 at 5:08 pm ET
>
> By Jessica Camerato
>
> The Maine Red Claws, the Boston Celtics and Charlotte Bobcats NBA
> Development League affiliate, will be holding open tryouts on October 3 at
> UMass-Boston.  As many as three players will be selected to receive an
> invitation to participate in the Red Claws training camp this November.
>
> Red Claws head coach Austin Ainge and the Red Claws basketball operations
> and support staff will evaluate the tryouts, where athletes will participate
> in team drills, individual skills work, and scrimmages.
>
> ?This will be a tremendous opportunity for players to showcase their talent
> to the Red Claws? coaching staff and possibly earn a spot at the Red Claws?
> training camp in November,? Red Claws President and General Manager Jon
> Jennings said in a team-issued statement. ?By basing the camp in Boston,
> players from throughout the region will have an opportunity to come to the
> tryout. New England has an exceptional basketball tradition ? our hope is
> that among those who attend the tryout, we will find a future Maine Red
> Claws? player or two.?
>
> Tryouts are limited to the first 125 applicants to complete their
> registration form and submit their registration fee ($150 in advance or $200
> at the door) . Registration forms can be downloaded at
> www.nba.com/dleague/maine/tryoutsnortheast.html.
>
> The Red Claws will also hold open tryouts on September 12-13 at the Time
> Warner Cable Arena in Charlotte, North Carolina. Information is available at
> www.nba.com/dleague/maine/Tryout_Charlotte.html.
>
> All participants must meet the D-League player eligibility requirements
> stated on the registration form.
>
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 11:30:37 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:30:37 -0400
Subject: PAGLIUCA - MAN ON THE MOVE
Message-ID: <CC81F1FA.408F.4DFF.A841.FC97DD784792@aol.com>

? Complicating any decision he makes to plunge into the?
highly competitive Senate race is Pagliuca's interest in?
buying the Boston Globe.??
- Boston Globe, 9/15
-----------------------------------
MA-Senate: A New Entrant?
By Chris Cillizza, The Washington Post, 9/11

Massachusetts Democratic insiders are buzzing about the possibility that Steve Pagliuca, a managing director at Bain Capital and managing partner of the Boston Celtics, is giving serious consideration to a run in the special election race to replace the late Sen. Ted Kennedy.

Two Democratic strategists with close ties to Bay State politics confirmed that Pagliuca is a potential candidate and, if he ran, would have the capacity to self-fund the race.

Pagliuca has been with Bain -- the same firm that produced Massachusetts governor and 2008 presidential candidate Mitt Romney (R) -- since 1982.

Pagliuca's candidacy would fit nicely into the blueprint for past competitive Democratic primaries for statewide office in Massachusetts where at least one wealthy, self-financing candidate challenges a handful of elected officials. (See Chris Gabrieli's run for governor in 2006, for example.)

In a short special election -- the Dec. 8 primary is just 85 days away -- money can play an outsized role in the outcome. Personal money means television ads which mean name identification which is the coin of the realm in what is expected to be a very low turnout affair.

If Pagliuca got into the race, it would do much to shake up what has been a surprisingly low-key contest so far to replace Kennedy.

Many of the major players -- former Rep. Joe Kennedy II as well as Reps. Marty Meehan and Ed Markey -- who had long been expected to jump into any Senate race in the state have taken passes, leaving a field that is regarded by some veteran operatives as less than stellar.

The current field consists of just three candidates -- state Attorney General Martha Coakley and Reps. Stephen Lynch and Michael Capuano. (Rep. John Tierney announced he wouldn't run earlier today.) City Year co-founder Alan Khazei is also looking at the race and many people in the state expect him to run.

If the field remains as is, Coakley is widely regarded as the clear frontrunner as she is the best known candidate of the trio and is also the only one with an existing statewide organization.

There remains the possibility -- discussed in whispers among the Democratic smart set in the state -- that either Vicki Kennedy, the widow of the late Senator, or Ted Kennedy Jr., his son, may ultimately decide to get into the race although neither of them have shown the slightest interest to date.

"How long does it take buyer's remorse to set in that the first competitive Senate primary in 25 years to fill the seat of a 47 year legend has drawn so few compelling characters and the activist base tries one last time to draft a Kennedy into the race," wondered one senior Democratic strategist.

Ted Kennedy Jr., who recently said he had thought of running for office at some point in the future, is sure to be asked about his interest in stepping into his father's seat during an interview tonight with CNN's Larry King.

Pagliuca's potential candidacy coupled with the level of uncertainty that -- still -- exists about the possibility of a "Kennedy" being on the ballot means that?
there are more twists and turns to come in Massachusetts in the days ahead.

From eggcentric at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 11:33:39 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:33:39 -0400
Subject: Egg, for once I agree with you ... sort of
In-Reply-To: <2268.36754.qm@web110113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2349D64C.3AE4.418C.A28D.783640773BA0@aol.com>

< ... so on what basis are you comparing him {Hudson]?
to Taylor? I'd say the jury's still out.>?
- Peter Delevett

Recent workouts in Waltham? ?

< Egg, for once I agree with you ... sort of >?
- Peter Delevett

Hallelujah!??And da Lord he look down and say, ?Yous
finally do sort of good job after eight years posting.? ?

Egg

From joefan11111 at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 12:26:49 2009
From: joefan11111 at aol.com (joefan11111)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 08:26:49 -0400
Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] NBDL Tryouts to be Held in Boston
In-Reply-To: <8c863cee0909141915k822368exe39245cb6b408ed0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C46FD63.05D8.464D.822C.23AFAB4B959F@aol.com>

Good luck Phil and see you there. ?I'm trying out also, why not. ?Should be fun.

Go Celts, go Red claws.
Joe

From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 15 18:00:04 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:00:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] NBDL Tryouts to be Held in Boston
In-Reply-To: <7C46FD63.05D8.464D.822C.23AFAB4B959F@aol.com>
Message-ID: <312461.35395.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yeah, guys, good luck.  Please be sure to report back to the list with all the details.  

Ryan

--- On Tue, 9/15/09, joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] NBDL Tryouts to be Held in Boston
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 7:26 AM
> Good luck Phil and see you there.
> ?I'm trying out also, why not. ?Should be fun.
> 
> Go Celts, go Red claws.
> Joe
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From BDodgers at aol.com  Tue Sep 15 21:24:36 2009
From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:24:36 EDT
Subject: The decade debate: Boston vs. L.A.
Message-ID: <c10.676214c8.37e16014@aol.com>

 
The decade debate: Boston vs. L.A.
 

By David Schoenfield
ESPNBoston

Well, Boston sports fans, as you sweat through Jonathan Papelbon's saves 
and  Tim Wakefield's back and the revamped Patriots defense, we're here to 
offer  congratulations on your new ESPN local site. 
After all, you deserve it. 
Has any city ever seen a decade of success like this? 
 
 
The Patriots won three Super Bowls and nearly completed the  greatest 
season in NFL history. The Red Sox ended the Curse of the Bambino with  the most 
improbable comeback in playoff history and a World Series sweep. And  then 
they won again. The Celtics went from laughingstock to NBA champions in one  
season. Heck, even the Bruins are showing life, posting the NHL's 
second-best  record last season.


How unlikely was all of this? Look at where the city's franchises were as 
the  new decade was born. The Patriots had just fired Pete Carroll after an 
8-8  season and seemed stuck in mediocrity, especially after going 5-11 in 
Bill  Belichick's first year. The once-proud Celtics had become an 
embarrassment; the  1999-00 season would be their seventh consecutive losing season. 
The Bruins  would score 73 points in 1999-00, the team's worst showing since 
1967. The Red  Sox were in better shape, having made the playoffs in 1998 and 
1999; of course,  they had lost the '99 ALCS to the despised Yankees, who 
were in the midst of  four World Series titles in five years. 
What was the high point of the decade? 
How about October 2004, when the Patriots had just won their 21st 
consecutive  game and the Red Sox had just shocked the Yankees in the ALCS? Or 
December 2007,  when the Red Sox were reigning World Series champs, the Patriots 
had just  completed a 16-0 regular season, and the Celtics had acquired Kevin 
Garnett and  were on their way to a 29-3 start? 
Or maybe it's right now. The Red Sox appear headed to the playoffs. Brady 
is  back to lead the Patriots. The Celtics and Bruins will be starting soon 
enough  and look to be title contenders. 
With six championships in three sports and winning season after winning  
season, was it the greatest decade ever for a city? After looking at various  
cities, we concluded that only one other city experienced similar success 
across  different sports: Los Angeles in the 1980s. (Only fitting that it's 
L.A.) 
A comparison is in order (from an impartial observer, it is worth  
mentioning). 
Winning is everything
First, a table. Remember, for most of the decade Los Angeles had two NFL  
teams (the Raiders moved there before the 1982 season) and two baseball  
franchises. We did not count the Clippers, who moved to L.A. in 1984. 
 
 
THE DECADE DEBATE
A comparison between Boston's decade of success in the 2000s and that of 
Los  Angeles in the 1980s, counting season championships, overall winning 
percentage,  playoff seasons and seasons of .500 or better:     Team Titles Win 
pct. Playoffs .500+   Patriots 3 .708 6 8  Red Sox 2 .568 5 10  Bruins 0 
.551 5 6  Celtics 1 .524 6 5  Lakers 5 .721 10 10  Raiders 1 .592 4 6  Rams 0 
.566 7 7  Dodgers 2 .527 4 6  Angels 0 .500 2 5  Kings 0 .454 7 3

Los Angeles won more championships, eight to six, but it had more  
opportunities. As a percentage of total seasons, L.A. won eight out of 58 (13.8  
percent). Boston has won six out of 37 (16.2 percent). 
Of course, there is more to winning than just championships. If we average  
the winning percentages of all the franchises, Boston comes out on top, 
.588 to  .560. 
Percentage of playoffs seasons? Very close: Boston is at 59.5 percent as we 
 await the Red Sox and Patriots of '09; L.A. was 58.6 percent. 
Thanks to the ineptitude of the Kings for most of the '80s and the fact 
that  the Red Sox and Patriots have had only one losing season between them, 
Boston  easily has a higher percentage of .500 or better seasons -- 76 percent 
to 64  percent. 
EDGE: Boston. 
Now, maybe winning isn't everything. We have other aspects of the  decades 
we must consider. 
Signature moment
With apologies to Magic's baby skyhook and Marcus Allen's Super Bowl run,  
L.A.'s signature moment has to be Kirk Gibson's 1988 World Series homer, 
right?  It was dramatic and unexpected, was the pivotal moment as the Dodgers 
upset the  A's, and has the mythical element of Gibson hobbling to the plate, 
barely able  to stand, let alone drive a ball. It ranks as one of the most 
memorable home  runs in World Series history. 
At the time, it seemed even more shocking because of the aura of  
invincibility around Dennis Eckersley. You know what, though? As good as Eck was  in 
1988 (2.35 ERA, 45 saves), he was even better in 1989, 1990 and 1992. He  
allowed a .198 average in '88, nothing to sneeze at, but a figure that doesn't 
 match some of the lights-out numbers we see from today's closers. Still,  
Eckersley had allowed only nine extra-base hits all season and Gibson had a 
bad  knee and a stomach virus, and even though Vin Scully announced "Look 
who's  coming up!" as Gibson came to the plate (Dave Anderson had been on the 
on-deck  circle as the potential pinch-hitter) ? well, even as Gibson ran 
the count to 2  and 2 and fouled off a pitch and then drew ball three, 
Eckersley was going to  get him. No doubt. Only he didn't. 
 
 
BEST DECADES
Some of the runner-ups for best decade (since the 1950s,  when the NBA 
launched):

New York, 1990s
The Yankees won three World  Series after a bad start to the decade. The 
Rangers won the Cup in 1994.  The Giants won the Super Bowl in the 1990 
season, but had only four  winning season in the decade. The Knicks made the 
playoffs all 10 years  and reached two finals. The Jets? Not so good.

Chicago, 1990s
Six titles from  the Bulls ... but none from the other four franchises.

Dallas, 1990s
The Cowboys  captured three Super Bowls, the Stars took the Cup in 1999 and 
the Rangers  even won three division titles. But the Mavs were mostly a bad 
 joke.

Philadelphia,  1980s
In 1980-81, the Flyers, Sixers, Phillies and Eagles  all made the 
championship, although only the Phillies won. The Sixers  would win it all in 1983, 
while the Flyers would lose two more finals, in  '87 and '89.

Boston,  1980s
All four teams made the championship, but only the  Celtics finished the 
deal.

Pittsburgh, 1970s
The Steelers won four  Super Bowls and the Pirates won World Series in 1971 
and 1979, but the  Penguins were mostly bad and never won a playoff  series.

Boston,  1960s
Nine titles, all from the Celtics.

New York, 1960s
The Yankees  reached five World Series at the beginning of the decade, 
winning two, and  the Mets and Jets tacked on titles in 1969.

New York, 1950s
The Yankees  dominated the decade with eight AL pennants and six World 
Series titles.  The Dodgers and Giants ruled the NL until they moved to 
California (each  won a World Series as well). The football Giants won one NFL 
championship.  The Knicks and Rangers were bad more often than good, however.  

As for Boston, there is no shortage of moments, from  Adam Vinatieri's 
field goals in the blizzard against the Raiders to his kick to  beat the Rams to 
Big Papi's hits to beat the Yankees in the playoffs to Tom Brady's goat. 
But we're going with Curt Schilling  walking off the mound after the seventh 
inning of Game 6 of the '04 ALCS after  allowing one run, his sock bloodied, 
the Yankee Stadium crowd quiet, stunned and  disbelieving. Even the 
Schilling cynics had to admire his performance that  evening. 
EDGE: Tie. Two wounded heroes. How can you pick just one? Schilling's  
outing made it possible to dream; Gibson's homer was something you dream  about. 
Hall of Fame careers
The Lakers had Magic (twice MVP in the '80s), Kareem (past his prime, but  
still good enough to be league MVP in '80 and All-NBA first team as late as  
1986, when he was 38), and Worthy (the perfect third wheel, albeit 
overrated --  he received MVP votes just once in his career and made All-NBA third 
team only  twice). The Raiders had Marcus Allen, Howie Long and Mike Haynes. 
The Rams had  Eric Dickerson and Jackie Slater. The Kings had Marcel Dionne, 
Luc Robitaille  and Wayne Gretzky (at the end of the decade). The Angels 
had Rod Carew and  Reggie Jackson (both in their declining years, however) and 
Bobby Grich (who  should be in the Hall, but isn't). Surprisingly, the 
Dodgers had no Hall of  Famers from the decade. Orel Hershiser got hurt and fell 
a bit short. Fernando  Valenzuela burned out. Pedro Guerrero was one of the 
best hitters for a  five-year stretch but didn't sustain the production. 
For Boston, Garnett, Pierce and Allen have all accumulated enough Hall of  
Fame credentials. (Brian Scalabrine has a long way to go.) Tom Brady, of 
course,  but who else from the Patriots? Randy Moss. Adam Vinatieri should 
become the  second kicker to make it. Rodney Harrison? Probably not (only a 
two-time Pro  Bowler). Richard Seymour is a long shot -- five-time Pro Bowler, 
three-time  first-team All-Pro. In Bill Belichick's world, football players 
are dispensable  and easily replaced -- you win with depth and smarts, not 
stars. For the Bruins,  Joe Thornton; it's too early to recommend anyone else. 
The Red Sox have several  candidates: Pedro Martinez is a lock; Manny 
Ramirez should be a lock but won't  be; Schilling has a good case, especially 
with his sterling postseason numbers;  David Ortiz is similar to Guerrero; 
Nomar Garciaparra sure looked like he was  going to be one; and we'll wait and 
see on Josh Beckett. The other guy with an  outside chance is Johnny Damon: 
He has never been anything more than a minor  star and has made just two 
All-Star Games, but he has more than 2,400 career  hits and is still playing 
well. 
EDGE: Los Angeles. Magic and Kareem and two of the greatest running  backs 
of all time trump Pedro, Brady and the Big Three (especially since KG and  
Allen spent most of the decade elsewhere). 
Greatest individual achievement
Eric Dickerson set the NFL's single-season rushing record in 1984. (What's  
amazing, besides the fact that the record has lasted 25 years and withstood 
 2,000-yard assaults from Jamal Lewis, Barry Sanders and Terrell Davis, is 
that  Dickerson accomplished this with Jeff Kemp as the Rams quarterback. 
Defenses  knew the Rams were going to run and still couldn't stop him. It's 
really  one of the most underappreciated records in sports.) Kareem became the 
NBA's  all-time scoring leader. Gretzky surpassed Gordie Howe in a Kings 
uniform. Don  Sutton was still pitching with an Afro in 1986. But L.A.'s 
greatest individual  accomplishment has to be Orel Hershiser's 1988 streak of 59 
consecutive  scoreless innings. As if that weren't enough, Hershiser carried 
the Dodgers to  the World Series, winning three postseason games and 
allowing just five earned  runs in five playoff starts. Over his final 14 starts, 
Hershiser pitched 124 2/3  innings and allowed 11 runs (nine earned) for a 
0.65 ERA. He even saved a game  in the NLCS. 
Boston has Pedro Martinez's remarkable 2000 season (1.74 ERA, .167 batting  
average allowed), Big Papi's 54 home runs in 2006, Randy Moss' 23 touchdown 
 catches and Manny Ramirez's record of not running out 36 consecutive 
ground  balls in 2008. But we have to go with Tom Brady's 50 touchdown passes in 
2007.  He broke Peyton Manning's record of 49, led the Patriots to a 16-0 
regular  season and amazingly kept this focus while dating the world's most 
famous model.  (By the way, which team had the best 2007 offseason: the 
Patriots for acquiring  Wes Welker for second- and seventh-round picks and Moss 
for a fourth-rounder; or  the Celtics, for trading for Kevin Garnett and Ray 
Allen?) 
EDGE: Los Angeles. Tough call, but Brady's individual accomplishment  was a 
team effort (and don't forget those games where New England shamelessly  
ran up the score) and Hershiser accomplished his feat in the heat of a pennant 
 race. 
Coaching titan
With apologies to Tommy Lasorda and Terry Francona, this is Pat Riley 
versus  Bill Belichick. The slicked-back hair and $2,500 suits versus Supercuts 
and gray  hoodies; Riley guaranteeing a repeat versus Belichick admitting he 
"made a  mistake" and drawing a $500,000 fine for spying. Hmm. There's only 
one way to  settle this. Let's go to amazon.com. 
Riley has written two books, "The Winner Within: A Life Plan for Team  
Players" and "Show Time: Inside the Lakers' Breakthrough Season." (The  
breakthrough season in question was 1987, which came two years after they had  won 
the 1985 title.) I can find only one book about Riley, Mark Heisler's  "The 
Lives of Riley," which came out in 1994. 
Not surprisingly, Belichick hasn't written a book but has penned two  
forewords, one for a book called "Football Physics" and one for Nick Saban's  
book on how to lead and succeed at work and life, which I haven't read,  so 
can't confirm that Belichick actually endorses Saban's rules for success.  
Famed author David Halberstam wrote "The Education of a Coach," and there have  
been many books written about this decade's Patriots, including Michael 
Holley's  "Patriots Reign: Bill Belichick, the Coaches and the Players Who Built 
a  Champion." Belichick is pictured in his gray hoodie on the cover. 
EDGE: Boston. You know you've made it big when Halberstam writes a bio  
about you. 
Memorable sort-of brawl
Kurt Rambis/Kevin McHale, 1984 Finals, versus Pedro Martinez/Don Zimmer, 
2003  ALCS. 
In this corner, we have McHale clotheslining Rambis as the Lakers forward  
charged to the basket midway through the third quarter of Game 4 of the '84  
Finals. If it happened today, McHale would be suspended for the rest of the 
 series, the blogosphere would self-destruct, Shaq would send out 20 
Twitter  posts in three minutes, and Lakers fans would probably storm the court 
and start  swatting Celtics players with their sunglasses. Then? McHale got 
called for a  personal foul. 
In the other corner, we have notorious headhunter Martinez nailing Karim  
Garcia in the back after Hideki Matsui's double broke a 2-2 tie, Garcia 
shoving  Red Sox second baseman Todd Walker after a hard slide, the benches 
clearing,  Roger Clemens throwing in the general direction of Manny Ramirez's 
head, the  benches clearing again, and Zimmer charging Martinez like an enraged 
old man  with a metal plate in his skull (wait, he actually does have a 
metal plate in  his head). To top it off, Garcia later injured his hand while 
joining a fight  between the Yankees relievers and a member of the Boston 
grounds crew. 
EDGE: None. Each team lost the game and the series. The Celtics  rallied 
from a 76-70 deficit to win the game and the series in seven games. The  Red 
Sox lost 4-3 and dropped the series in seven games. 
Shocking trade involving a superduperstar
The Kings acquire Wayne Gretzky. The Celtics acquire Kevin Garnett. 
KG delivered a championship. Most excellent job, KG. Gretzky actually 
turned  the Kings into legitimate Stanley Cup contenders and made L.A. care about 
hockey  (sort of). 
EDGE: Los Angeles. Heck, an entire city cried in shock when "The Great  
One" was traded. The only thing shocking about Kevin McHale trading Garnett to  
his buddy Danny Ainge was that they didn't consummate the deal over drinks 
at  Ainge's summer house on the Cape. (Of course, that very well may have  
happened). 
Eyewear versus hair
Amazingly, the Lakers had three  goggles/glasses-wearing regulars in 
Kareem, Worthy and Rambis. _Eric Dickerson also wore goggles_ 
(http://i.cdn.turner.com/sivault/si_online/covers/images/1984/1217_large.jpg) . Was  it all the 
smog? 
Boston counters with Johnny Damon's beard; Kevin Youkilis' goatee; Kevin  
Millar's plethora of styles, goatees and dye jobs; Manny's dreads; and Tom  
Brady's perfect coiffure. 
EDGE: Boston. By a hair (sorry). 
Dramatic playoff comeback
In 1982, the Kings pulled off the greatest  single-game comeback in NHL 
history in the "_"Miracle on Manchester_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKWWhswwZog) ." Trailing 5-0 after two  periods, the Kings rallied to defeat the 
Gretzky-led Edmonton Oilers 6-5 in  overtime. The Kings later upset the 
Oilers in Game 5 to win the series. 
As dramatic as that was, it doesn't compare to _this_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEvepm86rDM) , _this_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1szUC3ZiEo) , _this_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9ZUK4Ci3cM&feature=related) , 
_this_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aGZdnjFRvo)  and _this_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VOV26-nSUc) . Which, of course, led to _this_ 
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aem_VmGTBa8) . 
EDGE: Boston. 
So in the final tally, Boston edges Los Angeles, 4 to 3. Congrats, Boston, 
on  the greatest decade ever. 
David Schoenfield is a senior editor for  ESPN.com.

From jahillsr at comcast.net  Thu Sep 17 01:41:15 2009
From: jahillsr at comcast.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:41:15 -0400
Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] NBDL Tryouts to be Held in Boston
Message-ID: <000001ca3737$f2128770$d6379650$@net>

Absolutely!  The best of luck to any/all of  you.  Remember the List when
your famous.

 

<Jim

 

>Yeah, guys, good luck.  Please be sure to report back to the list with all
the details.  
 
>Ryan
 
--- On Tue, 9/15/09, joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com
<http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> > wrote:
 
> From: joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com
<http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> >
> Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] NBDL Tryouts to be Held in Boston
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com
<http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> >
> Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 7:26 AM
> Good luck Phil and see you there.
>  I'm trying out also, why not.  Should be fun.
> 
> Go Celts, go Red claws.
> Joe
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Thu Sep 17 03:07:24 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:07:24 -0400
Subject: [Celtics' Stuff ] NBDL Tryouts to be Held in Boston
In-Reply-To: <000001ca3737$f2128770$d6379650$@net>
Message-ID: <20090916230724.MDJJQ.209339.imail@eastrmwml36>

Dtitto for me too, Phil.  And thanks for your post yesterday Jim as I am like Lazarus and can come back from the dead.  I can lie as well as anyone, too. and, for the spelling pc police, I used spell check today.
---- Jim Hill <jahillsr at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Absolutely!  The best of luck to any/all of  you.  Remember the List when
> your famous.
> 
>  
> 
> <Jim
> 
>  
> 
> >Yeah, guys, good luck.  Please be sure to report back to the list with all
> the details.  
>  
> >Ryan
>  
> --- On Tue, 9/15/09, joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com
> <http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> > wrote:
>  
> > From: joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com
> <http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> >
> > Subject: Re: [Celtics' Stuff ] NBDL Tryouts to be Held in Boston
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> <http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics> >
> > Date: Tuesday, September 15, 2009, 7:26 AM
> > Good luck Phil and see you there.
> >  I'm trying out also, why not.  Should be fun.
> > 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 17 16:49:10 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 09:49:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Garnett Progressing
Message-ID: <785622.45738.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted below.  

Here are the highlights:
1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised, no need to rush him.
2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't say I'm surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.  Rondo doesn't seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the nature of the Cs proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to me.
3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season (just like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by Lester Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going to get that 15th spot.
4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his defense, the latter being what he considers the most important, especially pick-and-roll defense.

Ryan




From http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/

Garnett making progress
By Frank Dell?Apa


The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett, and he is progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to president of basketball operations Danny Ainge.

?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge said yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s doing his training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.

?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s anxious and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have bodyguards on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with the staff.

?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and we?ll make a decision on where he is.??

Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return. Garnett played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then undergoing knee surgery.

?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop connection with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take long for him to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job at setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I just try to get the ball there.

?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his explosiveness. With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure he?ll be back to normal.??

Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit early, and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??

Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation, Rondo replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get better every day.??

A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo before the start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year remaining on his contract.

?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an appearance in Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children.

?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester [Hudson], but he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing well in pickup games.??

Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything - I?m trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest thing for me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting better at that.

?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident, obviously. I stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this opportunity.

?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is behind me. This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is 0-0. I?m ready to start.??


      


From jeffclark at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 16:55:40 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:55:40 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <785622.45738.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <785622.45738.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670909170955y440a4cf6t8f562bffe057a7a4@mail.gmail.com>

who wants to make predictions?  here's mine:

1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be safe)
2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson


On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted below.
>
> Here are the highlights:
> 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised, no need to
> rush him.
> 2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't say I'm
> surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.  Rondo doesn't
> seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the nature of the Cs
> proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to me.
> 3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season (just
> like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by Lester
> Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going to get that
> 15th spot.
> 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his defense,
> the latter being what he considers the most important, especially
> pick-and-roll defense.
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
>
> From
> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
>
> Garnett making progress
> By Frank Dell?Apa
>
>
> The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett, and he is
> progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to president of
> basketball operations Danny Ainge.
>
> ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge said
> yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s doing his
> training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
>
> ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s anxious
> and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have bodyguards
> on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with the
> staff.
>
> ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and we?ll make
> a decision on where he is.??
>
> Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return. Garnett
> played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then undergoing knee
> surgery.
>
> ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop connection
> with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take long for him
> to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job at
> setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I just try
> to get the ball there.
>
> ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his explosiveness.
> With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure he?ll be
> back to normal.??
>
> Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit early,
> and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
>
> Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation, Rondo
> replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get better every
> day.??
>
> A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo before the
> start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year remaining on his
> contract.
>
> ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an
> excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an appearance in
> Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
> Children.
>
> ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester [Hudson], but
> he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing well in
> pickup games.??
>
> Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything - I?m
> trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest thing for
> me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting better at
> that.
>
> ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident, obviously. I
> stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this opportunity.
>
> ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is behind me.
> This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is 0-0. I?m
> ready to start.??
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics




-- 
Jeff
CelticsBlog.com
doughnutholes.wordpress.com

From davidp4660 at cox.net  Thu Sep 17 17:35:29 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:35:29 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909170955y440a4cf6t8f562bffe057a7a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090917133529.QJICZ.27670.imail@eastrmwml41>

I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote: 
> who wants to make predictions?  here's mine:
> 
> 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be safe)
> 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted below.
> >
> > Here are the highlights:
> > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised, no need to
> > rush him.
> > 2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't say I'm
> > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.  Rondo doesn't
> > seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the nature of the Cs
> > proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to me.
> > 3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season (just
> > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by Lester
> > Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going to get that
> > 15th spot.
> > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his defense,
> > the latter being what he considers the most important, especially
> > pick-and-roll defense.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From
> > http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> >
> > Garnett making progress
> > By Frank Dell?Apa
> >
> >
> > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett, and he is
> > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to president of
> > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> >
> > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge said
> > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s doing his
> > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
> >
> > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s anxious
> > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have bodyguards
> > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with the
> > staff.
> >
> > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and we?ll make
> > a decision on where he is.??
> >
> > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return. Garnett
> > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then undergoing knee
> > surgery.
> >
> > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop connection
> > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take long for him
> > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job at
> > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I just try
> > to get the ball there.
> >
> > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his explosiveness.
> > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure he?ll be
> > back to normal.??
> >
> > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit early,
> > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> >
> > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation, Rondo
> > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get better every
> > day.??
> >
> > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo before the
> > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year remaining on his
> > contract.
> >
> > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an
> > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an appearance in
> > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
> > Children.
> >
> > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester [Hudson], but
> > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing well in
> > pickup games.??
> >
> > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything - I?m
> > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest thing for
> > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting better at
> > that.
> >
> > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident, obviously. I
> > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this opportunity.
> >
> > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is behind me.
> > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is 0-0. I?m
> > ready to start.??
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Jeff
> CelticsBlog.com
> doughnutholes.wordpress.com
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics


From jeffclark at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 17:48:33 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:48:33 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <20090917133529.QJICZ.27670.imail@eastrmwml41>
References: <84e131670909170955y440a4cf6t8f562bffe057a7a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090917133529.QJICZ.27670.imail@eastrmwml41>
Message-ID: <84e131670909171048s42dc3081t1f60ee00ce1bcfe2@mail.gmail.com>

by the way, it looks like Bill Simmons is raising the same red flag that Egg
is

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0

I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but if this is worse
than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.

I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic button, but I'm
passing this along just in case.

-J

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:

> I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
> ---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> > who wants to make predictions?  here's mine:
> >
> > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be safe)
> > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted
> below.
> > >
> > > Here are the highlights:
> > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised, no need
> to
> > > rush him.
> > > 2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't say I'm
> > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.  Rondo
> doesn't
> > > seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the nature of
> the Cs
> > > proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to me.
> > > 3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season
> (just
> > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by
> Lester
> > > Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going to get
> that
> > > 15th spot.
> > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his
> defense,
> > > the latter being what he considers the most important, especially
> > > pick-and-roll defense.
> > >
> > > Ryan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From
> > >
> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> > >
> > > Garnett making progress
> > > By Frank Dell?Apa
> > >
> > >
> > > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett, and he
> is
> > > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to president
> of
> > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> > >
> > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge said
> > > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s doing his
> > > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
> > >
> > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s
> anxious
> > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have
> bodyguards
> > > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with the
> > > staff.
> > >
> > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and we?ll
> make
> > > a decision on where he is.??
> > >
> > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return.
> Garnett
> > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then undergoing
> knee
> > > surgery.
> > >
> > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop
> connection
> > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take long
> for him
> > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job at
> > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I just
> try
> > > to get the ball there.
> > >
> > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his
> explosiveness.
> > > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure he?ll
> be
> > > back to normal.??
> > >
> > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit
> early,
> > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> > >
> > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation,
> Rondo
> > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get better
> every
> > > day.??
> > >
> > > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo before
> the
> > > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year remaining
> on his
> > > contract.
> > >
> > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an
> > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an appearance in
> > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
> > > Children.
> > >
> > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester [Hudson],
> but
> > > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing well
> in
> > > pickup games.??
> > >
> > > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything - I?m
> > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest thing
> for
> > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting better at
> > > that.
> > >
> > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident, obviously.
> I
> > > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this opportunity.
> > >
> > > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is behind
> me.
> > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is 0-0.
> I?m
> > > ready to start.??
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Jeff
> > CelticsBlog.com
> > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
>


-- 
Jeff
CelticsBlog.com
doughnutholes.wordpress.com

From noah.evans at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 18:00:36 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 20:00:36 +0200
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909171048s42dc3081t1f60ee00ce1bcfe2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <84e131670909170955y440a4cf6t8f562bffe057a7a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090917133529.QJICZ.27670.imail@eastrmwml41>
	<84e131670909171048s42dc3081t1f60ee00ce1bcfe2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56a297000909171100v1ab472f3w9d955b717ac8e86d@mail.gmail.com>

You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM,  <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> by the way, it looks like Bill Simmons is raising the same red flag that Egg
> is
>
> http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
>
> I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but if this is worse
> than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.
>
> I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic button, but I'm
> passing this along just in case.
>
> -J
>
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
>
>> I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
>> ---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
>> > who wants to make predictions? ?here's mine:
>> >
>> > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be safe)
>> > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
>> > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted
>> below.
>> > >
>> > > Here are the highlights:
>> > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet. ?Not surprised, no need
>> to
>> > > rush him.
>> > > 2. ?The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't say I'm
>> > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over. ?Rondo
>> doesn't
>> > > seem optimistic, however. ?It'll be interesting to hear the nature of
>> the Cs
>> > > proposal. ?Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to me.
>> > > 3. ?Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season
>> (just
>> > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by
>> Lester
>> > > Hudson in the pickup games. ?It's my guess that Lester going to get
>> that
>> > > 15th spot.
>> > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his
>> defense,
>> > > the latter being what he considers the most important, especially
>> > > pick-and-roll defense.
>> > >
>> > > Ryan
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > From
>> > >
>> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
>> > >
>> > > Garnett making progress
>> > > By Frank Dell?Apa
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett, and he
>> is
>> > > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to president
>> of
>> > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
>> > >
>> > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge said
>> > > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s doing his
>> > > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
>> > >
>> > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s
>> anxious
>> > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have
>> bodyguards
>> > > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with the
>> > > staff.
>> > >
>> > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and we?ll
>> make
>> > > a decision on where he is.??
>> > >
>> > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return.
>> Garnett
>> > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then undergoing
>> knee
>> > > surgery.
>> > >
>> > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop
>> connection
>> > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take long
>> for him
>> > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job at
>> > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I just
>> try
>> > > to get the ball there.
>> > >
>> > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his
>> explosiveness.
>> > > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure he?ll
>> be
>> > > back to normal.??
>> > >
>> > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit
>> early,
>> > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
>> > >
>> > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation,
>> Rondo
>> > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get better
>> every
>> > > day.??
>> > >
>> > > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo before
>> the
>> > > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year remaining
>> on his
>> > > contract.
>> > >
>> > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an
>> > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an appearance in
>> > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
>> > > Children.
>> > >
>> > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester [Hudson],
>> but
>> > > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing well
>> in
>> > > pickup games.??
>> > >
>> > > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything - I?m
>> > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest thing
>> for
>> > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting better at
>> > > that.
>> > >
>> > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident, obviously.
>> I
>> > > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this opportunity.
>> > >
>> > > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is behind
>> me.
>> > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is 0-0.
>> I?m
>> > > ready to start.??
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > _______________________________________________
>> > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> > > celtics at igtc.com
>> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Jeff
>> > CelticsBlog.com
>> > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> > celtics at igtc.com
>> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Jeff
> CelticsBlog.com
> doughnutholes.wordpress.com
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>


From davidp4660 at cox.net  Thu Sep 17 18:06:25 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:06:25 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <56a297000909171100v1ab472f3w9d955b717ac8e86d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090917140625.1H5CF.28122.imail@eastrmwml41>

I agree.  It's unpossible.
---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote: 
> You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM,  <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> > by the way, it looks like Bill Simmons is raising the same red flag that Egg
> > is
> >
> > http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
> >
> > I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but if this is worse
> > than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.
> >
> > I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic button, but I'm
> > passing this along just in case.
> >
> > -J
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> >> I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
> >> ---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> >> > who wants to make predictions? ?here's mine:
> >> >
> >> > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be safe)
> >> > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> >> > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted
> >> below.
> >> > >
> >> > > Here are the highlights:
> >> > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet. ?Not surprised, no need
> >> to
> >> > > rush him.
> >> > > 2. ?The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't say I'm
> >> > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over. ?Rondo
> >> doesn't
> >> > > seem optimistic, however. ?It'll be interesting to hear the nature of
> >> the Cs
> >> > > proposal. ?Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to me.
> >> > > 3. ?Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season
> >> (just
> >> > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by
> >> Lester
> >> > > Hudson in the pickup games. ?It's my guess that Lester going to get
> >> that
> >> > > 15th spot.
> >> > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his
> >> defense,
> >> > > the latter being what he considers the most important, especially
> >> > > pick-and-roll defense.
> >> > >
> >> > > Ryan
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > From
> >> > >
> >> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> >> > >
> >> > > Garnett making progress
> >> > > By Frank Dell?Apa
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett, and he
> >> is
> >> > > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to president
> >> of
> >> > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> >> > >
> >> > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge said
> >> > > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s doing his
> >> > > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
> >> > >
> >> > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s
> >> anxious
> >> > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have
> >> bodyguards
> >> > > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with the
> >> > > staff.
> >> > >
> >> > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and we?ll
> >> make
> >> > > a decision on where he is.??
> >> > >
> >> > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return.
> >> Garnett
> >> > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then undergoing
> >> knee
> >> > > surgery.
> >> > >
> >> > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop
> >> connection
> >> > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take long
> >> for him
> >> > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job at
> >> > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I just
> >> try
> >> > > to get the ball there.
> >> > >
> >> > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his
> >> explosiveness.
> >> > > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure he?ll
> >> be
> >> > > back to normal.??
> >> > >
> >> > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit
> >> early,
> >> > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> >> > >
> >> > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation,
> >> Rondo
> >> > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get better
> >> every
> >> > > day.??
> >> > >
> >> > > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo before
> >> the
> >> > > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year remaining
> >> on his
> >> > > contract.
> >> > >
> >> > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an
> >> > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an appearance in
> >> > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
> >> > > Children.
> >> > >
> >> > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester [Hudson],
> >> but
> >> > > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing well
> >> in
> >> > > pickup games.??
> >> > >
> >> > > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything - I?m
> >> > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest thing
> >> for
> >> > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting better at
> >> > > that.
> >> > >
> >> > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident, obviously.
> >> I
> >> > > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this opportunity.
> >> > >
> >> > > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is behind
> >> me.
> >> > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is 0-0.
> >> I?m
> >> > > ready to start.??
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> >
> >> >
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> >> >
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Thu Sep 17 18:16:17 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:16:17 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909171048s42dc3081t1f60ee00ce1bcfe2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090917141617.95CHI.28243.imail@eastrmwml41>

He might be waving it, but it doens't necessarily mean anything.  Bill Bellicheck woon't give out too much inoformation on any injured players.  I don't see why the Celtics are any different.  My contention is that Garnett guaranteed Wyc and Steve 2 more championships, so why would he if he wasn't going to be part of it.  And I disagreee with Simmons on spending money on front court players.  Isn't that where we lacked deptch and ssize at.  Getting Rashheed, resigning davis, adding Williams and Daniels doesn't look like the panic button.  When he throws up the white flag, I'll take it more seriously.
---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote: 
> by the way, it looks like Bill Simmons is raising the same red flag that Egg
> is
> 
> http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
> 
> I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but if this is worse
> than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.
> 
> I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic button, but I'm
> passing this along just in case.
> 
> -J
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
> > ---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> > > who wants to make predictions?  here's mine:
> > >
> > > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be safe)
> > > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> > > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted
> > below.
> > > >
> > > > Here are the highlights:
> > > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised, no need
> > to
> > > > rush him.
> > > > 2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't say I'm
> > > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.  Rondo
> > doesn't
> > > > seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the nature of
> > the Cs
> > > > proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to me.
> > > > 3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season
> > (just
> > > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by
> > Lester
> > > > Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going to get
> > that
> > > > 15th spot.
> > > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his
> > defense,
> > > > the latter being what he considers the most important, especially
> > > > pick-and-roll defense.
> > > >
> > > > Ryan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From
> > > >
> > http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> > > >
> > > > Garnett making progress
> > > > By Frank Dell?Apa
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett, and he
> > is
> > > > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to president
> > of
> > > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> > > >
> > > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge said
> > > > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s doing his
> > > > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
> > > >
> > > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s
> > anxious
> > > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have
> > bodyguards
> > > > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with the
> > > > staff.
> > > >
> > > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and we?ll
> > make
> > > > a decision on where he is.??
> > > >
> > > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return.
> > Garnett
> > > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then undergoing
> > knee
> > > > surgery.
> > > >
> > > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop
> > connection
> > > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take long
> > for him
> > > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job at
> > > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I just
> > try
> > > > to get the ball there.
> > > >
> > > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his
> > explosiveness.
> > > > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure he?ll
> > be
> > > > back to normal.??
> > > >
> > > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit
> > early,
> > > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> > > >
> > > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation,
> > Rondo
> > > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get better
> > every
> > > > day.??
> > > >
> > > > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo before
> > the
> > > > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year remaining
> > on his
> > > > contract.
> > > >
> > > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an
> > > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an appearance in
> > > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to
> > > > Children.
> > > >
> > > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester [Hudson],
> > but
> > > > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing well
> > in
> > > > pickup games.??
> > > >
> > > > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything - I?m
> > > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest thing
> > for
> > > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting better at
> > > > that.
> > > >
> > > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident, obviously.
> > I
> > > > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this opportunity.
> > > >
> > > > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is behind
> > me.
> > > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is 0-0.
> > I?m
> > > > ready to start.??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> >
> 
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 17 18:17:14 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:17:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909171048s42dc3081t1f60ee00ce1bcfe2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <268605.47580.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yeah, but staples!  I'd like to know where these guys get their info.  The press release was all, "removed bone spurs, tendon strain still requires rest and rehab."  That's quite a bit removed from...oh, and we reattached the tendon with STAPLES!

I'll continue to disbelieve this story until we get some real corroboration--not just tweets from 'injuryexpert' at twitter, or bill simmons and where ever he gets his info.  

Egg, what do you know about this staple angle?

Ryan

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, jeffclark at gmail.com <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: jeffclark at gmail.com <jeffclark at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Garnett Progressing
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 12:48 PM
> by the way, it looks like Bill
> Simmons is raising the same red flag that Egg
> is
> 
> http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
> 
> I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but
> if this is worse
> than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.
> 
> I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic
> button, but I'm
> passing this along just in case.
> 
> -J
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the
> last one-yet.
> > ---- jeffclark at gmail.com
> wrote:
> > > who wants to make predictions?? here's
> mine:
> > >
> > > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a
> pitchcount to be safe)
> > > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> > > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe
> article, which is pasted
> > below.
> > > >
> > > > Here are the highlights:
> > > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing
> yet.? Not surprised, no need
> > to
> > > > rush him.
> > > > 2.? The Cs will hold contract extension
> talks with Rondo--can't say I'm
> > > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply
> talking it over.? Rondo
> > doesn't
> > > > seem optimistic, however.? It'll be
> interesting to hear the nature of
> > the Cs
> > > > proposal.? Something averaging 10
> million a year sounds fair to me.
> > > > 3.? Players have been coming in early
> to get a start on the season
> > (just
> > > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo
> has been impressed by
> > Lester
> > > > Hudson in the pickup games.? It's my
> guess that Lester going to get
> > that
> > > > 15th spot.
> > > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his
> court awareness, and his
> > defense,
> > > > the latter being what he considers the most
> important, especially
> > > > pick-and-roll defense.
> > > >
> > > > Ryan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From
> > > >
> > http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> > > >
> > > > Garnett making progress
> > > > By Frank Dell?Apa
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > The Celtics are looking forward to the
> return of Kevin Garnett, and he
> > is
> > > > progressing in his recovery from knee
> surgery, according to president
> > of
> > > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> > > >
> > > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working
> out every day,?? Ainge said
> > > > yesterday from the team?s practice
> facility in Waltham. ?He?s doing his
> > > > training, but he?s not playing full-court
> basketball yet.
> > > >
> > > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious
> as we can with him. He?s
> > anxious
> > > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he
> gets it. We don?t have
> > bodyguards
> > > > on him to keep him from working too hard.
> He?s on the program with the
> > > > staff.
> > > >
> > > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We
> are going week to week and we?ll
> > make
> > > > a decision on where he is.??
> > > >
> > > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is
> anticipating Garnett?s return.
> > Garnett
> > > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the
> playoffs, then undergoing
> > knee
> > > > surgery.
> > > >
> > > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo
> joked of his alley-oop
> > connection
> > > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about
> timing, and it won?t take long
> > for him
> > > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as
> well. He does a great job at
> > > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he
> makes the cut, and I just
> > try
> > > > to get the ball there.
> > > >
> > > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure
> he doesn?t lose his
> > explosiveness.
> > > > With an injury, he could, but he works
> really hard and I?m sure he?ll
> > be
> > > > back to normal.??
> > > >
> > > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment
> to come in a little bit
> > early,
> > > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so
> far.??
> > > >
> > > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming
> contract negotiation,
> > Rondo
> > > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing
> it out, trying to get better
> > every
> > > > day.??
> > > >
> > > > A league source said the Celtics plan to
> hold talks with Rondo before
> > the
> > > > start of training camp later this month.
> Rondo has one year remaining
> > on his
> > > > contract.
> > > >
> > > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing
> with Rasheed [Wallace], an
> > > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,??
> said Rondo during an appearance in
> > > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for
> the Prevention of Cruelty to
> > > > Children.
> > > >
> > > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t
> know about Lester [Hudson],
> > but
> > > > he?s showing he can really play. I like
> his game and he?s playing well
> > in
> > > > pickup games.??
> > > >
> > > > Asked what he is attempting to improve,
> Rondo said, ?Everything - I?m
> > > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball
> handling. The biggest thing
> > for
> > > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll
> defense, getting better at
> > > > that.
> > > >
> > > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year.
> I?m more confident, obviously.
> > I
> > > > stepped up a little and I want to take
> advantage of this opportunity.
> > > >
> > > > ?I just want to get the season started.
> What I did last year is behind
> > me.
> > > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts
> over, the record is 0-0.
> > I?m
> > > > ready to start.??
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> >
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From capomycap at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 18:22:43 2009
From: capomycap at gmail.com (George Meyer)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:22:43 -0700
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <20090917140625.1H5CF.28122.imail@eastrmwml41>
References: <56a297000909171100v1ab472f3w9d955b717ac8e86d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090917140625.1H5CF.28122.imail@eastrmwml41>
Message-ID: <253b689a0909171122h6a647af7ifad2ee4f2690c0fe@mail.gmail.com>

Ha! As Ralph Wiggum might also say re: KG and the fog of lies that surround
his situation, "now I've got two oww-ies."

But yeah, it's hard to not be alarmed when you read Ainge saying things
like, "we don't have timetables on this." We don't? Why not?  I'm sure
they'll trot KG out for the home opener on, as Jeff says, a pitchcount, but
my guess is we'll be playing this "is he healthy/not" game well into 2010.

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:

> I agree.  It's unpossible.
> ---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> > You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM,  <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > by the way, it looks like Bill Simmons is raising the same red flag
> that Egg
> > > is
> > >
> > > http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
> > >
> > > I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but if this is
> worse
> > > than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.
> > >
> > > I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic button, but
> I'm
> > > passing this along just in case.
> > >
> > > -J
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
> > >> ---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> > >> > who wants to make predictions?  here's mine:
> > >> >
> > >> > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be safe)
> > >> > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> > >> > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com
> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted
> > >> below.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Here are the highlights:
> > >> > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised, no
> need
> > >> to
> > >> > > rush him.
> > >> > > 2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't
> say I'm
> > >> > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.
>  Rondo
> > >> doesn't
> > >> > > seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the nature
> of
> > >> the Cs
> > >> > > proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to
> me.
> > >> > > 3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season
> > >> (just
> > >> > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by
> > >> Lester
> > >> > > Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going to
> get
> > >> that
> > >> > > 15th spot.
> > >> > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his
> > >> defense,
> > >> > > the latter being what he considers the most important, especially
> > >> > > pick-and-roll defense.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Ryan
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > From
> > >> > >
> > >>
> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Garnett making progress
> > >> > > By Frank Dell?Apa
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett,
> and he
> > >> is
> > >> > > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to
> president
> > >> of
> > >> > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge
> said
> > >> > > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s
> doing his
> > >> > > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s
> > >> anxious
> > >> > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have
> > >> bodyguards
> > >> > > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with
> the
> > >> > > staff.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and
> we?ll
> > >> make
> > >> > > a decision on where he is.??
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return.
> > >> Garnett
> > >> > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then
> undergoing
> > >> knee
> > >> > > surgery.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop
> > >> connection
> > >> > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take
> long
> > >> for him
> > >> > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job
> at
> > >> > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I
> just
> > >> try
> > >> > > to get the ball there.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his
> > >> explosiveness.
> > >> > > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure
> he?ll
> > >> be
> > >> > > back to normal.??
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit
> > >> early,
> > >> > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation,
> > >> Rondo
> > >> > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get
> better
> > >> every
> > >> > > day.??
> > >> > >
> > >> > > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo
> before
> > >> the
> > >> > > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year
> remaining
> > >> on his
> > >> > > contract.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an
> > >> > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an
> appearance in
> > >> > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of
> Cruelty to
> > >> > > Children.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester
> [Hudson],
> > >> but
> > >> > > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing
> well
> > >> in
> > >> > > pickup games.??
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything -
> I?m
> > >> > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest
> thing
> > >> for
> > >> > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting
> better at
> > >> > > that.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident,
> obviously.
> > >> I
> > >> > > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this
> opportunity.
> > >> > >
> > >> > > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is
> behind
> > >> me.
> > >> > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is
> 0-0.
> > >> I?m
> > >> > > ready to start.??
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
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> > >> > CelticsBlog.com
> > >> > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
> > >> > _______________________________________________
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> > >>
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Thu Sep 17 18:53:22 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:53:22 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <253b689a0909171122h6a647af7ifad2ee4f2690c0fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090917145322.Q6P9L.28747.imail@eastrmwml41>

Shear speculation on your part.  No absolutes by any credible source .  So until I see otherwise, the glass is still full. And there is enough talent on the team to give him all the time he needs, ff, and I only mean if, there is any iota of truth that his knee is shot.  But i seriously doubt it's shot.  A little stiff and sore, but nothing that will prevent him from playing.  He's had a long rest, and his injury was not as serious as a Sean Livingston, or even Leon Powe's strike three.
---- George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Ha! As Ralph Wiggum might also say re: KG and the fog of lies that surround
> his situation, "now I've got two oww-ies."
> 
> But yeah, it's hard to not be alarmed when you read Ainge saying things
> like, "we don't have timetables on this." We don't? Why not?  I'm sure
> they'll trot KG out for the home opener on, as Jeff says, a pitchcount, but
> my guess is we'll be playing this "is he healthy/not" game well into 2010.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > I agree.  It's unpossible.
> > ---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM,  <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > by the way, it looks like Bill Simmons is raising the same red flag
> > that Egg
> > > > is
> > > >
> > > > http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but if this is
> > worse
> > > > than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic button, but
> > I'm
> > > > passing this along just in case.
> > > >
> > > > -J
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
> > > >> ---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> > who wants to make predictions?  here's mine:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be safe)
> > > >> > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> > > >> > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted
> > > >> below.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Here are the highlights:
> > > >> > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised, no
> > need
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > rush him.
> > > >> > > 2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't
> > say I'm
> > > >> > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.
> >  Rondo
> > > >> doesn't
> > > >> > > seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the nature
> > of
> > > >> the Cs
> > > >> > > proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to
> > me.
> > > >> > > 3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season
> > > >> (just
> > > >> > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by
> > > >> Lester
> > > >> > > Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going to
> > get
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > 15th spot.
> > > >> > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his
> > > >> defense,
> > > >> > > the latter being what he considers the most important, especially
> > > >> > > pick-and-roll defense.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Ryan
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > From
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Garnett making progress
> > > >> > > By Frank Dell?Apa
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett,
> > and he
> > > >> is
> > > >> > > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to
> > president
> > > >> of
> > > >> > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge
> > said
> > > >> > > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s
> > doing his
> > > >> > > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s
> > > >> anxious
> > > >> > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have
> > > >> bodyguards
> > > >> > > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with
> > the
> > > >> > > staff.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and
> > we?ll
> > > >> make
> > > >> > > a decision on where he is.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return.
> > > >> Garnett
> > > >> > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then
> > undergoing
> > > >> knee
> > > >> > > surgery.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop
> > > >> connection
> > > >> > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take
> > long
> > > >> for him
> > > >> > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job
> > at
> > > >> > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I
> > just
> > > >> try
> > > >> > > to get the ball there.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his
> > > >> explosiveness.
> > > >> > > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure
> > he?ll
> > > >> be
> > > >> > > back to normal.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit
> > > >> early,
> > > >> > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation,
> > > >> Rondo
> > > >> > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get
> > better
> > > >> every
> > > >> > > day.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo
> > before
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year
> > remaining
> > > >> on his
> > > >> > > contract.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an
> > > >> > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an
> > appearance in
> > > >> > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of
> > Cruelty to
> > > >> > > Children.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester
> > [Hudson],
> > > >> but
> > > >> > > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing
> > well
> > > >> in
> > > >> > > pickup games.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything -
> > I?m
> > > >> > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest
> > thing
> > > >> for
> > > >> > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting
> > better at
> > > >> > > that.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident,
> > obviously.
> > > >> I
> > > >> > > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this
> > opportunity.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is
> > behind
> > > >> me.
> > > >> > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is
> > 0-0.
> > > >> I?m
> > > >> > > ready to start.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > >> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > >> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Jeff
> > > >> > CelticsBlog.com
> > > >> > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
> > > >> > _______________________________________________
> > > >> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > >> > celtics at igtc.com
> > > >> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jeff
> > > > CelticsBlog.com
> > > > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
> > > > _______________________________________________
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Thu Sep 17 18:54:59 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 14:54:59 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <253b689a0909171122h6a647af7ifad2ee4f2690c0fe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090917145459.H1LC5.28764.imail@eastrmwml41>

By the way, George, where is the fog of lies?  I have my fof lights on, but haven't seen any fog. A little smog here an there, and some dust kicking up form wind, but fog of lies?  Where is that coming from?
---- George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Ha! As Ralph Wiggum might also say re: KG and the fog of lies that surround
> his situation, "now I've got two oww-ies."
> 
> But yeah, it's hard to not be alarmed when you read Ainge saying things
> like, "we don't have timetables on this." We don't? Why not?  I'm sure
> they'll trot KG out for the home opener on, as Jeff says, a pitchcount, but
> my guess is we'll be playing this "is he healthy/not" game well into 2010.
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > I agree.  It's unpossible.
> > ---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM,  <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > by the way, it looks like Bill Simmons is raising the same red flag
> > that Egg
> > > > is
> > > >
> > > > http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
> > > >
> > > > I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but if this is
> > worse
> > > > than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic button, but
> > I'm
> > > > passing this along just in case.
> > > >
> > > > -J
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
> > > >> ---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> > > >> > who wants to make predictions?  here's mine:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be safe)
> > > >> > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> > > >> > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com
> > >
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is pasted
> > > >> below.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Here are the highlights:
> > > >> > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised, no
> > need
> > > >> to
> > > >> > > rush him.
> > > >> > > 2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with Rondo--can't
> > say I'm
> > > >> > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.
> >  Rondo
> > > >> doesn't
> > > >> > > seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the nature
> > of
> > > >> the Cs
> > > >> > > proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair to
> > me.
> > > >> > > 3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the season
> > > >> (just
> > > >> > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed by
> > > >> Lester
> > > >> > > Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going to
> > get
> > > >> that
> > > >> > > 15th spot.
> > > >> > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and his
> > > >> defense,
> > > >> > > the latter being what he considers the most important, especially
> > > >> > > pick-and-roll defense.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Ryan
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > From
> > > >> > >
> > > >>
> > http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Garnett making progress
> > > >> > > By Frank Dell?Apa
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin Garnett,
> > and he
> > > >> is
> > > >> > > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to
> > president
> > > >> of
> > > >> > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge
> > said
> > > >> > > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s
> > doing his
> > > >> > > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him. He?s
> > > >> anxious
> > > >> > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t have
> > > >> bodyguards
> > > >> > > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program with
> > the
> > > >> > > staff.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week and
> > we?ll
> > > >> make
> > > >> > > a decision on where he is.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s return.
> > > >> Garnett
> > > >> > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then
> > undergoing
> > > >> knee
> > > >> > > surgery.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop
> > > >> connection
> > > >> > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t take
> > long
> > > >> for him
> > > >> > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great job
> > at
> > > >> > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut, and I
> > just
> > > >> try
> > > >> > > to get the ball there.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his
> > > >> explosiveness.
> > > >> > > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m sure
> > he?ll
> > > >> be
> > > >> > > back to normal.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little bit
> > > >> early,
> > > >> > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract negotiation,
> > > >> Rondo
> > > >> > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get
> > better
> > > >> every
> > > >> > > day.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo
> > before
> > > >> the
> > > >> > > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year
> > remaining
> > > >> on his
> > > >> > > contract.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed [Wallace], an
> > > >> > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an
> > appearance in
> > > >> > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of
> > Cruelty to
> > > >> > > Children.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester
> > [Hudson],
> > > >> but
> > > >> > > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s playing
> > well
> > > >> in
> > > >> > > pickup games.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said, ?Everything -
> > I?m
> > > >> > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The biggest
> > thing
> > > >> for
> > > >> > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting
> > better at
> > > >> > > that.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident,
> > obviously.
> > > >> I
> > > >> > > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this
> > opportunity.
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year is
> > behind
> > > >> me.
> > > >> > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record is
> > 0-0.
> > > >> I?m
> > > >> > > ready to start.??
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > >
> > > >> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
> > > >> > Jeff
> > > >> > CelticsBlog.com
> > > >> > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
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> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jeff
> > > > CelticsBlog.com
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From capomycap at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 19:37:04 2009
From: capomycap at gmail.com (George Meyer)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:37:04 -0700
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <20090917145459.H1LC5.28764.imail@eastrmwml41>
References: <253b689a0909171122h6a647af7ifad2ee4f2690c0fe@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090917145459.H1LC5.28764.imail@eastrmwml41>
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<<<<<<"Shear speculation on your part">>>>

outside of being an outstanding name for an experimental barber shop, yes,
that's what "my guess is" generally means. Sheer speculation. It's what
positive-minded Celtics fans are allowed to do without fear of reprisal, but
what us more cynical sorts can't do without evoking an avalanche of
accusatory logorreah.

<<<<<<<By the way, George, where is the fog of lies?">>>>>>>>

it's the one that we've been lost in ever since this injury was reported
back in February. You know, the same one that the Celtics brass bragged
about once the playoffs were over, claiming that they shrewdly misled
everyone as to KG's status so they could sell more playoff tickets... oh,
wait, I mean, so they could have a vague strategic advantage of some sort
against Orlando. No reason to believe they'd be lying to us again. That
would be Shear Madness!



On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:

> By the way, George, where is the fog of lies?  I have my fof lights on, but
> haven't seen any fog. A little smog here an there, and some dust kicking up
> form wind, but fog of lies?  Where is that coming from?
> ---- George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ha! As Ralph Wiggum might also say re: KG and the fog of lies that
> surround
> > his situation, "now I've got two oww-ies."
> >
> > But yeah, it's hard to not be alarmed when you read Ainge saying things
> > like, "we don't have timetables on this." We don't? Why not?  I'm sure
> > they'll trot KG out for the home opener on, as Jeff says, a pitchcount,
> but
> > my guess is we'll be playing this "is he healthy/not" game well into
> 2010.
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > I agree.  It's unpossible.
> > > ---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM,  <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > by the way, it looks like Bill Simmons is raising the same red flag
> > > that Egg
> > > > > is
> > > > >
> > > > > http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but if this
> is
> > > worse
> > > > > than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic button,
> but
> > > I'm
> > > > > passing this along just in case.
> > > > >
> > > > > -J
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
> > > > >> ---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> > > > >> > who wants to make predictions?  here's mine:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be
> safe)
> > > > >> > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> > > > >> > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <
> ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com
> > > >
> > > > >> wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is
> pasted
> > > > >> below.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Here are the highlights:
> > > > >> > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised,
> no
> > > need
> > > > >> to
> > > > >> > > rush him.
> > > > >> > > 2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with
> Rondo--can't
> > > say I'm
> > > > >> > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.
> > >  Rondo
> > > > >> doesn't
> > > > >> > > seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the
> nature
> > > of
> > > > >> the Cs
> > > > >> > > proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair
> to
> > > me.
> > > > >> > > 3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the
> season
> > > > >> (just
> > > > >> > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed
> by
> > > > >> Lester
> > > > >> > > Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going
> to
> > > get
> > > > >> that
> > > > >> > > 15th spot.
> > > > >> > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and
> his
> > > > >> defense,
> > > > >> > > the latter being what he considers the most important,
> especially
> > > > >> > > pick-and-roll defense.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Ryan
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > From
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >>
> > >
> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Garnett making progress
> > > > >> > > By Frank Dell?Apa
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin
> Garnett,
> > > and he
> > > > >> is
> > > > >> > > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to
> > > president
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge
> > > said
> > > > >> > > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s
> > > doing his
> > > > >> > > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him.
> He?s
> > > > >> anxious
> > > > >> > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t
> have
> > > > >> bodyguards
> > > > >> > > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program
> with
> > > the
> > > > >> > > staff.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week
> and
> > > we?ll
> > > > >> make
> > > > >> > > a decision on where he is.??
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s
> return.
> > > > >> Garnett
> > > > >> > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then
> > > undergoing
> > > > >> knee
> > > > >> > > surgery.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop
> > > > >> connection
> > > > >> > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t
> take
> > > long
> > > > >> for him
> > > > >> > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great
> job
> > > at
> > > > >> > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut,
> and I
> > > just
> > > > >> try
> > > > >> > > to get the ball there.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his
> > > > >> explosiveness.
> > > > >> > > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m
> sure
> > > he?ll
> > > > >> be
> > > > >> > > back to normal.??
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little
> bit
> > > > >> early,
> > > > >> > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract
> negotiation,
> > > > >> Rondo
> > > > >> > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get
> > > better
> > > > >> every
> > > > >> > > day.??
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo
> > > before
> > > > >> the
> > > > >> > > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year
> > > remaining
> > > > >> on his
> > > > >> > > contract.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed
> [Wallace], an
> > > > >> > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an
> > > appearance in
> > > > >> > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of
> > > Cruelty to
> > > > >> > > Children.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester
> > > [Hudson],
> > > > >> but
> > > > >> > > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s
> playing
> > > well
> > > > >> in
> > > > >> > > pickup games.??
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said,
> ?Everything -
> > > I?m
> > > > >> > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The
> biggest
> > > thing
> > > > >> for
> > > > >> > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting
> > > better at
> > > > >> > > that.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident,
> > > obviously.
> > > > >> I
> > > > >> > > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this
> > > opportunity.
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year
> is
> > > behind
> > > > >> me.
> > > > >> > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record
> is
> > > 0-0.
> > > > >> I?m
> > > > >> > > ready to start.??
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
> > > > >> > >
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Thu Sep 17 19:48:58 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:48:58 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <253b689a0909171237j405dd24ejbb9d3b15f02bdefc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090917154858.TWKKH.29514.imail@eastrmwml41>

They would have sold out regardless of KG or not.  As it was, we were one poor game from the finals, so that is not a valid point.  Misleading fans is not quite an accurate word.  Perhaps it was Garnett who made the decison and not the brass. And that was February, not now.  Where are the lies that are being distributed to the media now.  Bill B. never reveals a damn thing on his player status, sometimes even before game time, and neither should the Celtics.  If fans are stupid enough to assume anything, they deserve the price of a ticket and the absecne of a player.  Like the Negg, it s more shit steering than anything else.  and, as the late Patrick Swayze said in the move Road House, "Opinions vary".  Not saying you are incorrect, but I'm not saying you are. As for now, not saying much is not lying.  Evasiveness?  Maybe.  And then again, maybe they don't know the status until camp gets underway.  All i know is Garnett has promised wins this year, and that is all I need to hear.
---- George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com> wrote: 
> <<<<<<"Shear speculation on your part">>>>
> 
> outside of being an outstanding name for an experimental barber shop, yes,
> that's what "my guess is" generally means. Sheer speculation. It's what
> positive-minded Celtics fans are allowed to do without fear of reprisal, but
> what us more cynical sorts can't do without evoking an avalanche of
> accusatory logorreah.
> 
> <<<<<<<By the way, George, where is the fog of lies?">>>>>>>>
> 
> it's the one that we've been lost in ever since this injury was reported
> back in February. You know, the same one that the Celtics brass bragged
> about once the playoffs were over, claiming that they shrewdly misled
> everyone as to KG's status so they could sell more playoff tickets... oh,
> wait, I mean, so they could have a vague strategic advantage of some sort
> against Orlando. No reason to believe they'd be lying to us again. That
> would be Shear Madness!
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> > By the way, George, where is the fog of lies?  I have my fof lights on, but
> > haven't seen any fog. A little smog here an there, and some dust kicking up
> > form wind, but fog of lies?  Where is that coming from?
> > ---- George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Ha! As Ralph Wiggum might also say re: KG and the fog of lies that
> > surround
> > > his situation, "now I've got two oww-ies."
> > >
> > > But yeah, it's hard to not be alarmed when you read Ainge saying things
> > > like, "we don't have timetables on this." We don't? Why not?  I'm sure
> > > they'll trot KG out for the home opener on, as Jeff says, a pitchcount,
> > but
> > > my guess is we'll be playing this "is he healthy/not" game well into
> > 2010.
> > >
> > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:06 AM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I agree.  It's unpossible.
> > > > ---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 7:48 PM,  <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > by the way, it looks like Bill Simmons is raising the same red flag
> > > > that Egg
> > > > > > is
> > > > > >
> > > > > > http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=31827.0
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm not sure who that twitter guy is that he's quoting, but if this
> > is
> > > > worse
> > > > > > than we thought, then that would indeed be a big story.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd like to see more evidence before I reach for the panic button,
> > but
> > > > I'm
> > > > > > passing this along just in case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -J
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:35 PM, <davidp4660 at cox.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> I'll go witht he first two, but I'm not sold on the last one-yet.
> > > > > >> ---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > >> > who wants to make predictions?  here's mine:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to be
> > safe)
> > > > > >> > 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> > > > > >> > 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <
> > ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com
> > > > >
> > > > > >> wrote:
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> > > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article, which is
> > pasted
> > > > > >> below.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Here are the highlights:
> > > > > >> > > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.  Not surprised,
> > no
> > > > need
> > > > > >> to
> > > > > >> > > rush him.
> > > > > >> > > 2.  The Cs will hold contract extension talks with
> > Rondo--can't
> > > > say I'm
> > > > > >> > > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking it over.
> > > >  Rondo
> > > > > >> doesn't
> > > > > >> > > seem optimistic, however.  It'll be interesting to hear the
> > nature
> > > > of
> > > > > >> the Cs
> > > > > >> > > proposal.  Something averaging 10 million a year sounds fair
> > to
> > > > me.
> > > > > >> > > 3.  Players have been coming in early to get a start on the
> > season
> > > > > >> (just
> > > > > >> > > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been impressed
> > by
> > > > > >> Lester
> > > > > >> > > Hudson in the pickup games.  It's my guess that Lester going
> > to
> > > > get
> > > > > >> that
> > > > > >> > > 15th spot.
> > > > > >> > > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court awareness, and
> > his
> > > > > >> defense,
> > > > > >> > > the latter being what he considers the most important,
> > especially
> > > > > >> > > pick-and-roll defense.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Ryan
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > From
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >>
> > > >
> > http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Garnett making progress
> > > > > >> > > By Frank Dell?Apa
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin
> > Garnett,
> > > > and he
> > > > > >> is
> > > > > >> > > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery, according to
> > > > president
> > > > > >> of
> > > > > >> > > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every day,?? Ainge
> > > > said
> > > > > >> > > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in Waltham. ?He?s
> > > > doing his
> > > > > >> > > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball yet.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can with him.
> > He?s
> > > > > >> anxious
> > > > > >> > > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We don?t
> > have
> > > > > >> bodyguards
> > > > > >> > > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on the program
> > with
> > > > the
> > > > > >> > > staff.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going week to week
> > and
> > > > we?ll
> > > > > >> make
> > > > > >> > > a decision on where he is.??
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating Garnett?s
> > return.
> > > > > >> Garnett
> > > > > >> > > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs, then
> > > > undergoing
> > > > > >> knee
> > > > > >> > > surgery.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of his alley-oop
> > > > > >> connection
> > > > > >> > > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and it won?t
> > take
> > > > long
> > > > > >> for him
> > > > > >> > > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He does a great
> > job
> > > > at
> > > > > >> > > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the cut,
> > and I
> > > > just
> > > > > >> try
> > > > > >> > > to get the ball there.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he doesn?t lose his
> > > > > >> explosiveness.
> > > > > >> > > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and I?m
> > sure
> > > > he?ll
> > > > > >> be
> > > > > >> > > back to normal.??
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in a little
> > bit
> > > > > >> early,
> > > > > >> > > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract
> > negotiation,
> > > > > >> Rondo
> > > > > >> > > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out, trying to get
> > > > better
> > > > > >> every
> > > > > >> > > day.??
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks with Rondo
> > > > before
> > > > > >> the
> > > > > >> > > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one year
> > > > remaining
> > > > > >> on his
> > > > > >> > > contract.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with Rasheed
> > [Wallace], an
> > > > > >> > > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said Rondo during an
> > > > appearance in
> > > > > >> > > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of
> > > > Cruelty to
> > > > > >> > > Children.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know about Lester
> > > > [Hudson],
> > > > > >> but
> > > > > >> > > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and he?s
> > playing
> > > > well
> > > > > >> in
> > > > > >> > > pickup games.??
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said,
> > ?Everything -
> > > > I?m
> > > > > >> > > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling. The
> > biggest
> > > > thing
> > > > > >> for
> > > > > >> > > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense, getting
> > > > better at
> > > > > >> > > that.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more confident,
> > > > obviously.
> > > > > >> I
> > > > > >> > > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of this
> > > > opportunity.
> > > > > >> > >
> > > > > >> > > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did last year
> > is
> > > > behind
> > > > > >> me.
> > > > > >> > > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the record
> > is
> > > > 0-0.
> > > > > >> I?m
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From Eric at ericalbert.net  Thu Sep 17 19:55:08 2009
From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 15:55:08 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
Message-ID: <20090917195520.6839DE1B639@ignite.igtc.com>


>George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com> wrote:
>
><<<<<<<By the way, George, where is the fog of lies?">>>>>>>>
>
>it's the one that we've been lost in ever since this injury was reported
>back in February. You know, the same one that the Celtics brass bragged
>about once the playoffs were over, claiming that they shrewdly misled
>everyone as to KG's status so they could sell more playoff tickets... oh,
>wait, I mean, so they could have a vague strategic advantage of some sort
>against Orlando. No reason to believe they'd be lying to us again. That
>would be Shear Madness!

I've heard this theory before. It doesn't make much sense to me.

Maybe there were some fans somewhere who care only about KG, and
who would have not bought playoff tickets if they knew he wouldn't play.

But there were plenty of other fans who wanted playoff tickets and
couldn't get them. They would have scooped up those unbought tickets,
and the Celtics would still have sold out.

I can't see how the Celtics announcing or not announcing KG's playing
affected playoff sales at all. Can someone who believes this theory
explain how it makes sense?

-- Eric


From Eric at ericalbert.net  Thu Sep 17 20:11:15 2009
From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 16:11:15 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
Message-ID: <20090917201137.EAD25E1B639@ignite.igtc.com>


>Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!

This is another theory I've never understood. People who feel the Celtics management is lying to us about player injuries would seem to believe two things:

#1: The Celtics doctors can reliably predict when a player will recover from an injury or surgery (and how well he will play when he does)

#2: The Celtics management should immediately release all such injury information to everyone in the world

Well, #1 makes no sense to me. I've had plenty of experience with top-notch Boston doctors over the past 15 years (doctors who run famous clinics, for example). They do a terrible job of predicting when I'll get better, and they're even worse at predicting my level of recovery. And I'm not trying to play basketball at an NBA level!

I don't think this is because I've seen bad doctors. (My colleagues report the same experience.) I just think that science is not good enough yet to predict an individual's recover with any level of accuracy, and certainly not in the time-frame of a couple of weeks or months.

So, if doctors told Celtics management "Kevin Garnett will be fine by opening night" or "Kevin Garnett won't be able to play by opening night", Celtics management would be idiots to believe them.

Which brings us to #2. I don't see that Celtics management has a moral duty to release accurate injury information. But, even if they did have such a duty, I don't see why they would want to release vague and/or *in*accurate injury information, and that's just what most injury information is!

Here's an honest press release they could put out: "One doctor tells us KG will play in six weeks, at 85%. A second doctor tells us KG will play in ten weeks, at 70%. We don't trust either doctor, so you should assume KG will be playing when you see him in uniform on the floor, and then you can judge his playing level yourself."

How would that be an improvement over the current approach?

-- Eric


From noah.evans at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 20:28:40 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 22:28:40 +0200
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <20090917201137.EAD25E1B639@ignite.igtc.com>
References: <20090917201137.EAD25E1B639@ignite.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <56a297000909171328k71d31410v44baf0f003b7c206@mail.gmail.com>

I hate to rain on your parade, but it's not like the Celtics
organization just lies about injuries.

Turning the issue around what is up with the stockholm syndrome of
some fans? It's always the same pattern. Credulity to the point of
absurdity, then when irrevocable confronted with the truth claim "they
lied for our own good".

Noah

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net> wrote:
>
>>Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!
>
> This is another theory I've never understood. People who feel the Celtics management is lying to us about player injuries would seem to believe two things:
>
> #1: The Celtics doctors can reliably predict when a player will recover from an injury or surgery (and how well he will play when he does)
>
> #2: The Celtics management should immediately release all such injury information to everyone in the world
>
> Well, #1 makes no sense to me. I've had plenty of experience with top-notch Boston doctors over the past 15 years (doctors who run famous clinics, for example). They do a terrible job of predicting when I'll get better, and they're even worse at predicting my level of recovery. And I'm not trying to play basketball at an NBA level!
>
> I don't think this is because I've seen bad doctors. (My colleagues report the same experience.) I just think that science is not good enough yet to predict an individual's recover with any level of accuracy, and certainly not in the time-frame of a couple of weeks or months.
>
> So, if doctors told Celtics management "Kevin Garnett will be fine by opening night" or "Kevin Garnett won't be able to play by opening night", Celtics management would be idiots to believe them.
>
> Which brings us to #2. I don't see that Celtics management has a moral duty to release accurate injury information. But, even if they did have such a duty, I don't see why they would want to release vague and/or *in*accurate injury information, and that's just what most injury information is!
>
> Here's an honest press release they could put out: "One doctor tells us KG will play in six weeks, at 85%. A second doctor tells us KG will play in ten weeks, at 70%. We don't trust either doctor, so you should assume KG will be playing when you see him in uniform on the floor, and then you can judge his playing level yourself."
>
> How would that be an improvement over the current approach?
>
> -- Eric
>
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From regmanw6 at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 17 20:38:34 2009
From: regmanw6 at yahoo.com (R Howe)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:38:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <20090917201137.EAD25E1B639@ignite.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <303202.65558.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

My thoughts on this thread is that the C's will go slow with Garnett during the 1st half of the season even if he is 100%, they have a good front court without him (great with him) so they can afford to bring him back slowly when you have Perks, Wallace, Baby even Scals and the other center they signed. The fact you see him practicing at this point before camp, even in limited fashion, to me tells me he will be ready to start the season, I dont think management or his agent would be letting him work out if they thought he would risk further damage or delay his comeback.
Will he be a quarter step slower? maybe but at his level and his focus for this team that would be better than ok because he is not our offensive focal point but rather our team captain of defense and attitude which he should still be able to bring in spades.
Go C's ?- man this has been too long of an off-season

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net> wrote:

From: Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net>
Subject: Re: Garnett Progressing
To: Celtics at igtc.com
Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 4:11 PM


>Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!

This is another theory I've never understood. People who feel the Celtics management is lying to us about player injuries would seem to believe two things:

#1: The Celtics doctors can reliably predict when a player will recover from an injury or surgery (and how well he will play when he does)

#2: The Celtics management should immediately release all such injury information to everyone in the world

Well, #1 makes no sense to me. I've had plenty of experience with top-notch Boston doctors over the past 15 years (doctors who run famous clinics, for example). They do a terrible job of predicting when I'll get better, and they're even worse at predicting my level of recovery. And I'm not trying to play basketball at an NBA level!

I don't think this is because I've seen bad doctors. (My colleagues report the same experience.) I just think that science is not good enough yet to predict an individual's recover with any level of accuracy, and certainly not in the time-frame of a couple of weeks or months.

So, if doctors told Celtics management "Kevin Garnett will be fine by opening night" or "Kevin Garnett won't be able to play by opening night", Celtics management would be idiots to believe them.

Which brings us to #2. I don't see that Celtics management has a moral duty to release accurate injury information. But, even if they did have such a duty, I don't see why they would want to release vague and/or *in*accurate injury information, and that's just what most injury information is!

Here's an honest press release they could put out: "One doctor tells us KG will play in six weeks, at 85%. A second doctor tells us KG will play in ten weeks, at 70%. We don't trust either doctor, so you should assume KG will be playing when you see him in uniform on the floor, and then you can judge his playing level yourself."

How would that be an improvement over the current approach?

-- Eric

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From capomycap at gmail.com  Thu Sep 17 20:39:49 2009
From: capomycap at gmail.com (George Meyer)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:39:49 -0700
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <20090917195520.6839DE1B639@ignite.igtc.com>
References: <20090917195520.6839DE1B639@ignite.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <253b689a0909171339j319e65adl4b7896f221c2bc10@mail.gmail.com>

it's fairly simple, Eric. The franchise knew that if they announced early on
(say, in March after KG's aborted comeback) that KG was a goner for the
playoffs, the team would be immediately viewed as dead-men-walking, insofar
as a title defense is concerned. Now would that LITERALLY mean they couldn't
sell out playoff games? I don't know, and you don't either, but what's
certainly fair to say is that it would have put a damper on the excitement,
and likely the revenues, generated by a fanbase (and its affiliated cable
television and radio outlets) gearing up for a playoff run. Unlike you or I
or the many fine people who talk about the Celtics on the internet, there
are many thousands of casual fans throughout the world who would have lost
any interest in supporting/following the team once it became clear that
jersey-seller-#1 Kevin Garnett was no longer in action. This kind of erosion
is not good for business now or in the future, and it's  ludicrously naive
to suggest that it didn't have at least SOME impact on how the Celtics
handled (and continue to handle) this situation.



On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net> wrote:

>
> >George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> ><<<<<<<By the way, George, where is the fog of lies?">>>>>>>>
> >
> >it's the one that we've been lost in ever since this injury was reported
> >back in February. You know, the same one that the Celtics brass bragged
> >about once the playoffs were over, claiming that they shrewdly misled
> >everyone as to KG's status so they could sell more playoff tickets... oh,
> >wait, I mean, so they could have a vague strategic advantage of some sort
> >against Orlando. No reason to believe they'd be lying to us again. That
> >would be Shear Madness!
>
> I've heard this theory before. It doesn't make much sense to me.
>
> Maybe there were some fans somewhere who care only about KG, and
> who would have not bought playoff tickets if they knew he wouldn't play.
>
> But there were plenty of other fans who wanted playoff tickets and
> couldn't get them. They would have scooped up those unbought tickets,
> and the Celtics would still have sold out.
>
> I can't see how the Celtics announcing or not announcing KG's playing
> affected playoff sales at all. Can someone who believes this theory
> explain how it makes sense?
>
> -- Eric
>
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 17 18:21:50 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 11:21:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <84e131670909170955y440a4cf6t8f562bffe057a7a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <441828.25192.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

1.  KG suits up, but doesn't play first preseason game--all precautionary.
2. I'd love if Rondo signed 5 years for 50 million--honestly, I don't know enough to make any guess at this point.  It could go a lot of ways.  Rondo might be miffed enough to bet he can make himself a max player this season--which is a possibility if you ask me.  
3. I think Lester's won himself a spot by showing his face at the practice facility all summer, doing community events, and now playing well in pickup games.  The Cs value putting in work that goes beyond contractual obligations--Bill Walker and Hudson get this and that's why I think Hudson at least gets a partially guaranteed contract.

Ryan

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, jeffclark at gmail.com <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: jeffclark at gmail.com <jeffclark at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Garnett Progressing
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 11:55 AM
> who wants to make predictions??
> here's mine:
> 
> 1. KG plays in the first preseason game (on a pitchcount to
> be safe)
> 2. Rondo signs for 5 years, $50M
> 3. Celts sign Mike Taylor over Lester Hudson
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > Lots of little tidbits from today's Globe article,
> which is pasted below.
> >
> > Here are the highlights:
> > 1. Garnett's progressing but not playing yet.?
> Not surprised, no need to
> > rush him.
> > 2.? The Cs will hold contract extension talks
> with Rondo--can't say I'm
> > surprised, there's nothing to lose by simply talking
> it over.? Rondo doesn't
> > seem optimistic, however.? It'll be interesting
> to hear the nature of the Cs
> > proposal.? Something averaging 10 million a year
> sounds fair to me.
> > 3.? Players have been coming in early to get a
> start on the season (just
> > like before the 2007-2008 season) and Rondo has been
> impressed by Lester
> > Hudson in the pickup games.? It's my guess that
> Lester going to get that
> > 15th spot.
> > 4. Rondo's been working his jumper, his court
> awareness, and his defense,
> > the latter being what he considers the most important,
> especially
> > pick-and-roll defense.
> >
> > Ryan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From
> > http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/09/17/garnett_making_progress/
> >
> > Garnett making progress
> > By Frank Dell?Apa
> >
> >
> > The Celtics are looking forward to the return of Kevin
> Garnett, and he is
> > progressing in his recovery from knee surgery,
> according to president of
> > basketball operations Danny Ainge.
> >
> > ?Kevin looks good, he?s in here working out every
> day,?? Ainge said
> > yesterday from the team?s practice facility in
> Waltham. ?He?s doing his
> > training, but he?s not playing full-court basketball
> yet.
> >
> > ?We?re taking it as slow and as cautious as we can
> with him. He?s anxious
> > and he has a ton of energy, but I think he gets it. We
> don?t have bodyguards
> > on him to keep him from working too hard. He?s on
> the program with the
> > staff.
> >
> > ?We don?t have timetables on this. We are going
> week to week and we?ll make
> > a decision on where he is.??
> >
> > Guard Rajon Rondo, especially, is anticipating
> Garnett?s return. Garnett
> > played 57 games last season, sitting out the playoffs,
> then undergoing knee
> > surgery.
> >
> > ?That was four assists a game,?? Rondo joked of
> his alley-oop connection
> > with Garnett. ?With Kevin, it?s about timing, and
> it won?t take long for him
> > to get that. It?s all about the read, as well. He
> does a great job at
> > setting his man up, and if the guy bites, he makes the
> cut, and I just try
> > to get the ball there.
> >
> > ?I?m sure he can still jump. I?m sure he
> doesn?t lose his explosiveness.
> > With an injury, he could, but he works really hard and
> I?m sure he?ll be
> > back to normal.??
> >
> > Rondo said the Celtics ?made a commitment to come in
> a little bit early,
> > and pretty much everyone is doing it, so far.??
> >
> > Asked if he was optimistic about an upcoming contract
> negotiation, Rondo
> > replied, ?Not really. I?m just playing it out,
> trying to get better every
> > day.??
> >
> > A league source said the Celtics plan to hold talks
> with Rondo before the
> > start of training camp later this month. Rondo has one
> year remaining on his
> > contract.
> >
> > ?I?m excited, definitely, to be playing with
> Rasheed [Wallace], an
> > excellent ?big? who plays defense,?? said
> Rondo during an appearance in
> > Mattapan for the Massachusetts Society for the
> Prevention of Cruelty to
> > Children.
> >
> > ?And Marquis [Daniels], as well. I don?t know
> about Lester [Hudson], but
> > he?s showing he can really play. I like his game and
> he?s playing well in
> > pickup games.??
> >
> > Asked what he is attempting to improve, Rondo said,
> ?Everything - I?m
> > trying to work on my outside shot, my ball handling.
> The biggest thing for
> > me probably is on defense, the pick-and-roll defense,
> getting better at
> > that.
> >
> > ?I?ll probably be more vocal this year. I?m more
> confident, obviously. I
> > stepped up a little and I want to take advantage of
> this opportunity.
> >
> > ?I just want to get the season started. What I did
> last year is behind me.
> > This is a whole new season. Everyone starts over, the
> record is 0-0. I?m
> > ready to start.??
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Thu Sep 17 20:47:40 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 13:47:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <253b689a0909171339j319e65adl4b7896f221c2bc10@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <848460.22690.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

That's a nice theory, but in early March I believe the Cs DID expect him back from his injury in time for the playoffs.  In fact, I think they still believed--as did KG--that he'd be back in time for the playoffs as late as the last week of the season.  Why, you ask?  Because, as Scott Souza pointed out in the Celticsstuff podcast on Sunday, KG was doing playoff press dressed in his uniform in the week leading up the start of the playoffs.  If the Cs knew--and therefore KG knew--that he wasn't coming back way back in March--do you really think that KG would play along a month later, dress up in his uniform, go before the cameras, and answer questions about the upcoming playoff run?  KG WOULD NEVER DO THAT UNLESS HE THOUGHT HE WAS COMING BACK.  KG is man who tolerates no pretense.

Ryan 

--- On Thu, 9/17/09, George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Garnett Progressing
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 3:39 PM
> it's fairly simple, Eric. The
> franchise knew that if they announced early on
> (say, in March after KG's aborted comeback) that KG was a
> goner for the
> playoffs, the team would be immediately viewed as
> dead-men-walking, insofar
> as a title defense is concerned. Now would that LITERALLY
> mean they couldn't
> sell out playoff games? I don't know, and you don't either,
> but what's
> certainly fair to say is that it would have put a damper on
> the excitement,
> and likely the revenues, generated by a fanbase (and its
> affiliated cable
> television and radio outlets) gearing up for a playoff run.
> Unlike you or I
> or the many fine people who talk about the Celtics on the
> internet, there
> are many thousands of casual fans throughout the world who
> would have lost
> any interest in supporting/following the team once it
> became clear that
> jersey-seller-#1 Kevin Garnett was no longer in action.
> This kind of erosion
> is not good for business now or in the future, and
> it's? ludicrously naive
> to suggest that it didn't have at least SOME impact on how
> the Celtics
> handled (and continue to handle) this situation.
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net>
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > >George Meyer <capomycap at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > ><<<<<<<By the way, George,
> where is the fog of lies?">>>>>>>>
> > >
> > >it's the one that we've been lost in ever since
> this injury was reported
> > >back in February. You know, the same one that the
> Celtics brass bragged
> > >about once the playoffs were over, claiming that
> they shrewdly misled
> > >everyone as to KG's status so they could sell more
> playoff tickets... oh,
> > >wait, I mean, so they could have a vague strategic
> advantage of some sort
> > >against Orlando. No reason to believe they'd be
> lying to us again. That
> > >would be Shear Madness!
> >
> > I've heard this theory before. It doesn't make much
> sense to me.
> >
> > Maybe there were some fans somewhere who care only
> about KG, and
> > who would have not bought playoff tickets if they knew
> he wouldn't play.
> >
> > But there were plenty of other fans who wanted playoff
> tickets and
> > couldn't get them. They would have scooped up those
> unbought tickets,
> > and the Celtics would still have sold out.
> >
> > I can't see how the Celtics announcing or not
> announcing KG's playing
> > affected playoff sales at all. Can someone who
> believes this theory
> > explain how it makes sense?
> >
> > -- Eric
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> >
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Thu Sep 17 21:11:43 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 17:11:43 -0400
Subject: Garnett Progressing
In-Reply-To: <20090917201137.EAD25E1B639@ignite.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <20090917171143.KP0W7.218899.imail@eastrmwml32>

Thak you, Eric.  I couldn't have phrased it any better than your post.  It's exactly whatgood  managment should or should not do.  They are being blamed for no reason.  As the old cliceh goes, it's much ado about nothing.
---- Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net> wrote: 
> 
> >Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >You mean the celtics organization would lie to us? That's unpossible!
> 
> This is another theory I've never understood. People who feel the Celtics management is lying to us about player injuries would seem to believe two things:
> 
> #1: The Celtics doctors can reliably predict when a player will recover from an injury or surgery (and how well he will play when he does)
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> #2: The Celtics management should immediately release all such injury information to everyone in the world
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> Well, #1 makes no sense to me. I've had plenty of experience with top-notch Boston doctors over the past 15 years (doctors who run famous clinics, for example). They do a terrible job of predicting when I'll get better, and they're even worse at predicting my level of recovery. And I'm not trying to play basketball at an NBA level!
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> I don't think this is because I've seen bad doctors. (My colleagues report the same experience.) I just think that science is not good enough yet to predict an individual's recover with any level of accuracy, and certainly not in the time-frame of a couple of weeks or months.
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> So, if doctors told Celtics management "Kevin Garnett will be fine by opening night" or "Kevin Garnett won't be able to play by open