From hartleyo at bellsouth.net Sun Mar 1 03:23:36 2009 From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net (hartleyo at bellsouth.net) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:23:36 -0500 Subject: Peter May column about Marbury at Yahoo! Sports Message-ID: <2B2DB284131F4053ABEC0A1DBA884511@D2F52Z11> Marbury could form lasting relationship with Celtics - NBA - Yahoo! Sports http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-marburyceltics022709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns From pdelevett at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 06:01:54 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:01:54 -0800 (PST) Subject: Cavs could still get Joe Smith Message-ID: <855205.75919.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Deadline is midnight Sunday for Smith to be bought out - that's 23 hours as I type this. http://www.cleveland.com/cavs/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1235813528275450.xml&coll=2 From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Mar 1 06:57:21 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:57:21 -0800 (PST) Subject: WEEI - Passing Chemistry 101 Message-ID: <827911.23524.qm@web63801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: http://blogs.weei.com/jessicacamerato/2009/02/27/celtics-passing-chemistry-101/ Passing Chemistry 101 Posted by Jessica Camerato Stephon Marbury wasted no time making his intentions known. ?I?m not looking to improve my game,? he said at his introductory press conference. ?I?m coming here to try to help the Celtics win another championship.? Wearing a Boston Celtics shirt with a handwritten number eight on the shamrock, Marbury addressed the media prior to Friday?s game against the Indiana Pacers. He shrugged off talks of selfishness and expressed his willingness to do whatever is asked of him on the court. Marbury said all the right things as the newest member of an organization driven by chemistry and teamwork. ?This is a very selfless team,? said Ray Allen. ?We don?t care about individual accolades.? Even though Marbury received a standing ovation in his first game, the skepticism of his team-first attitude is not going to go away overnight. He comes to Boston with the baggage of a tarnished reputation, one that isn?t forgotten by wearing a new uniform. The front office explained to Marbury how the team operates, a discussion which is protocol for every new player. ?We establish what the rules are, how we run things here, and how it?s about the team,? Celtics president Danny Ainge told WEEI?s Big Show. ?We?ve established those rules with Steph. (Head coach) Doc (Rivers) and I had a good conversation with him this morning and I?ve had a handful of conversations with Steph about those things even before now, as the Knicks gave us permission to talk.? Marbury wants to look ahead. And so do the Celtics. ?I?m not afraid of Steph, Doc?s not afraid of Steph, and it really comes down to Doc,? Ainge said. ?I think Doc understands Steph and can manage him and that Steph will respect Doc, first and foremost.? Last season Rivers coached five veteran first-year Celtics to a championship. He knows firsthand that a new environment can turn a vet?s career around. ?That was New York and wherever else. That has nothing to do with today and tomorrow,? Rivers said of concerns about Marbury. ?I?ve always had an open mind with everyone who?s come in, and you know, we?ve done pretty well. Our locker room is very strong and we just have good people. And so, no, I?m not that concerned about that at all.? The players are on board with personnel. After winning a title with a reconstructed team, the Celtics know that a midseason acquistion (think P.J. Brown) can be the missing piece to success. ?You?ve just got to welcome him in, make him feel like he?s at home. Other than that, just do things together off the court,? said Kendrick Perkins. ?I think [adding so many new players last season] helped us a lot. We?ve just got to keep getting better and help these guys just keep improving as a team. I think we?ll get better as they get to play more games.? The key to Marbury?s success with his new team is just that, playing as a team. ?You never know what?s in front of you as far as your basketball career,? he said. ?That?s why you just play as hard as you can and do the best that you can.? -------- WEEI - Ainge Interview (27th February): http://audio.weei.com/m/21935307/danny_ainge.htm (running time - 27 minutes) Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Mar 1 06:57:36 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 22:57:36 -0800 (PST) Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime: Starbury Comes To Boston Message-ID: <643542.68588.qm@web63807.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090301 1 Starbury Could Shine In Beantown By Hubie Brown ESPN.com For Stephon Marbury to salvage this season and find success for himself and the Boston Celtics, he has to accept the limited role that he is given with the team. That's not an easy situation for a player of his level. The reason his role will be limited is mainly because Rajon Rondo is having an excellent season -- not a good season, an excellent season. Rondo is the heart of the C's defense. Everyone talks, and rightfully so, about Kevin Garnett and Kendrick Perkins in the frontcourt, but the reason all of this stuff works is because of Rondo at the point. He's fourth in the league in steals (1.95 per game). He creates havoc defensively. He's a great rebounder (5.4 rebounds per game), second only to Jason Kidd (6.2) among point guards. He's playing 30-plus minutes per game so far. Now, will Marbury, with his past r?sum?, accept a minimum number of minutes each half? That to me is the big question. I'm not sure what that number is, but I don't think he'll play even 20 minutes a game (he played 13 in his debut Friday). Again, that's mainly because the Celtics have had such success with Rondo in 2007-08 and now this season. Rondo understands his job. He understands that the offense is geared toward Paul Pierce, Garnett and Ray Allen. All of those guys shoot at a very high percentage. Rondo's game is accepting his role on offense, excelling on defense and capitalizing on his opportunities in the transition game. The position of point guard on the Celtics is not geared to a player looking to showcase himself, largely because of who else they have in their lineup. Rondo and Perkins, the fourth and fifth options on offense, are both shooting higher than 50 percent from the field; obviously, they are making efficient use of their opportunities. So I am interested, as a person who has watched Marbury's career, to see whether he can step in and be fully accepting of his role as a ball distributor above all on offense and fulfill his defensive responsibilities in the half-court set and in transition. This is going to be the toughest thing for him. The reason the Celtics are so good defensively is because they don't have any weak links. They all accept accountability and responsibility for the rotations, and they all give up their bodies in order to take charges. Much has been made about his potential impact on team chemistry, but I feel Marbury will be a model citizen if for no other reason than he's auditioning -- not only for the Celtics but also for the other teams in the league -- for his next contract. But he'll need to showcase himself in limited minutes not only because of Rondo but also because Ray Allen is going to get major minutes, too. Tony Allen's recent injury has freed up some minutes, but Eddie House has played well for the Celtics off the bench at the off guard spot as well. They know that his game is off the ball. On double-teams and when plays break down, an extra pass often gets him an open shot at the 3-point line. And if you use House as a point guard, you are cutting down his production. Marbury does bring things that Rondo does not. When he's in playing condition, Marbury is a high-powered scorer. He is outstanding off the dribble and can create offense. But he's not going to be quicker than Rondo is in the open floor. In fact, there are very few guys in the league who are quicker than Rondo. And Marbury is not going to be a better defender, but he is accustomed to making the big shot with the clock ticking down. He also has better range than Rondo. All this being said, we are talking about a guy who hadn't played one game all season until Friday, and we are expecting him to fit in, accept the regimentation, accept the responsibility and accept the pressure of winning every game. That's a lot to ask right away. Marbury becomes an asset only if he accepts the job description. Can he stay within the game plan? You are dealing with a championship team that right now is fighting for the best record in the league. Marbury is accustomed to being on teams that are fighting just to get into the playoffs. That is obviously not the situation in Boston. This is a different mentality. Secondly, can he produce under this pressure considering he's bound to be rusty? For the Celtics, it's a no-brainer signing because they'll need a backup just in case of a major injury to Rondo. As long as Boston and Cleveland are both healthy when they clash at playoff time, I think it's still a toss-up as to which team will win the Eastern Conference. With Mo Williams and Delonte West, the Cavs are better than they have ever been since LeBron James got there. And that's assuming one of the two teams gets by Orlando, which will not be an easy pass. ESPN analyst Hubie Brown was the NBA's coach of the year in 2003-04. 2 Big Ben's Injury A Big Factor In East Race By Jonathan Lee AccuScore The battle for the top seed in the Eastern Conference took another twist Thursday night, when Cleveland's Ben Wallace suffered a broken right fibula against the Rockets that could force him to miss the rest of the regular season. His loss compromises the post depth for the Cavaliers, leaving more minutes for Anderson Varejao and rookie J.J. Hickson. While Wallace is not the player he once was, he was still an important rebounder and defender. Just this past week, we looked at a less severe injury to Kevin Garnett and its impact on the Boston Celtics, and discovered that in such a tight race, even missing one to two weeks could have a significant effect. With Wallace in the lineup, Cleveland had the inside edge for the No. 1 seed at 42 percent -- projecting to win 20 of their final 25 regular-season games. Out of 10,000 simulations, the injury costs the Cavaliers just an average of half a win over those final 25 games, but that small number is still important because it means they are no longer the clear favorites to finish with the East's best record. Boston and Cleveland are now projected to have an equal chance at winning the all-important top seed. Orlando still has an outside chance, but remains a distant third. The Magic are the likely second-round opponent for whichever squad finishes second, creating a large incentive to win as many games as possible. 3 Is Marbury Worth The Drama? John Hollinger ESPN.com Whether this will work depends on a lot of factors -- whether Marbury is willing to take on a subordinate role, whether he's willing to commit at the defensive end for the first time in his career and whether he can avoid alienating his own locker room. But much of it depends on a question we simply don't know the answer to: How much does this guy have left, anyway? Marbury hadn't played in more than a year, until his Celtics debut Friday, when he scored eight points in 13 minutes. He missed most of last season with ankle problems, and was Tinsley'd by the Knicks before he ever played a game this season. The only prolonged exposure we've had to him was in the preseason, when, by all accounts, he appeared to be in great shape and played reasonably well. If that's still true, he can help Boston with his ability to score off the drive and his passable long-range shooting. Even during the past two miserable years in New York, his PER was around the league average, and although outside shooting wasn't his forte as a younger player, he made 35.7 percent, and 37.8 percent on 3-pointers, in the past two seasons. Marbury doesn't need to be Starbury to help the Celtics considerably. If he just puts up numbers similar to the ones he put up in New York the past two seasons and defends with reasonable effort, he'll be a massive improvement on the Pruitt-Scalabrine combo; it's possible he could be an upgrade on Tony Allen for the playoffs, too. There's a reason this might actually work, and it's the one difference between this stop and every other place he has been in his career: Marbury needs Boston a lot more than Boston needs Marbury. If Marbury starts wallowing in negativity or playing keep-away from his teammates, the Celtics can just cut him. There are no cap implications, no long-term dollars at stake. Just a short, sweet sayonara. To read Hollinger's entire analysis of Marbury's move to Boston, click here . More Marbury On ESPN.com ? Sheridan: Debut a pleasant reminder ? Source: Marbury to earn $1.2M ? TrueHoop: talking points ? MacMullan dissects the deal ? Marbury introduced as a Celtic 4 Marbury Being Manny? Chris (Los Angeles): Marbury to the C's comparable to Manny to the Dodgers? Big-time talent who quit on his team. The new team is a contender, but needs some help. The converse view is that he is a cancer and always will be. I see Manny more as the exception, and think the signing will be regretted by the Celtics. J.A. Adande: Interesting premise. But (A) Marbury's best isn't as good as Manny's best, and (B) Marbury's worst hasn't been as bad as Manny's worst. So it's a lower risk, lower reward. I don't think the Celts will regret it. They have too many strong voices in the locker room to let Steph take it over. The Knicks didn't have enough leadership to keep him from being a threat. That's not an issue in Boston. I will say, having visited their locker room when they visited L.A. on Wednesday, that the Celtics players didn't seem too enthusiastic about his arrival. They know they need some bench help, but I don't think they welcome the other stuff that comes with Marbury. 5 NBA Video Channel ? ABC Sunday Fastbreak preview 6 Money To Burn? By Chad Ford | ESPN.com Given current projections, seven teams -- the Detroit Pistons, Memphis Grizzlies, Oklahoma City Thunder, Sacramento Kings, Atlanta Hawks, Toronto Raptors and Portland Trail Blazers -- could potentially have significant money to spend in 2009. However, it's not as much as they had hoped. At the beginning of the season, teams were projecting a $62 million salary cap in the summer of 2009. Now, given the economy, league sources suggest that the cap will likely come in below this season's $58.6 million cap number. Sources say the cap should be somewhere between $57 million and $58 million. For the purposes of this projection, we're going with a $58 million cap. Furthermore, of the teams mentioned, only three -- the Pistons, Grizzlies and Thunder -- are likely to have significant money to make a play for free agents. The other teams would have to waive key free agents to get far enough under the cap. The Pistons seem to be in the best place to land a big-time free agent. They could be around $18 million under the cap if they let Allen Iverson and Rasheed Wallace walk. If Kwame Brown decides not to pick up his player option, they would be around $22 million under. 7 All Smiles For Steph http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/0228/nba_g_marbury2_268.jpg Stephon Marbury shoots a smile back at the crowd Friday as he is welcomed to Boston with a standing ovation. 8 Phoenix In Trouble? By John Hollinger | ESPN.com Phoenix's loss to the Lakers on Thursday is worrisome in the sense that the Suns have begun losing contact with the other Western playoff hopefuls. The loss dropped the Suns two games behind Dallas for the West's final playoff spot, and their position is even more precarious if one looks at the schedule: The Suns play the Lakers again Sunday (ABC, 3:30 p.m. ET) and then fly to Orlando to start a four-game trip against all potential playoff teams, and we don't know whether Steve Nash will participate. Meanwhile, Dallas defeated the Thunder on Friday and has Toronto and Oklahoma City up next, meaning the Mavs could very well have a four-game lead on Phoenix by early next week. The saving grace for the Suns is that they still play Dallas twice, but it increasingly looks to me like they'll have to win both games in order to beat out the Mavs for the West's last playoff spot -- not only handing two defeats to Dallas, but also giving the Suns the tiebreaker. Incidentally, the Playoff Odds now project that the No. 9 team in the West will need at least 48 wins to swipe the No. 8 spot, the highest projection all season. To get there, the Suns will have to go 16-9 the rest of the way, and they may very well have four more L's by the time they get back from next week's road trip. 9 Alternative Viewing ? C's win in Marbury's debut 10 ESPNSNsportsnation Are Stephon Marbury's problem-causing ways over? 60% Yes 40% No (Total votes: 2,186) Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 15:13:38 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 07:13:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: number 8 In-Reply-To: <827911.23524.qm@web63801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <392633.88951.qm@web63106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> then there was the reappearance of #8, with Jim O'Brien sitting on the opposing bench... From douglas342 at aol.com Sun Mar 1 16:56:49 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 01 Mar 2009 11:56:49 -0500 Subject: number 8 In-Reply-To: <392633.88951.qm@web63106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB68A5D8B421EA-16A4-3E95@webmail-md14.sysops.aol.com> What got me was the smile. NBA players are required to have a certain cool, a certain swagger, almost a sneer hovering around them, but when Marbury checked into the game, he looked like a 4-year-old on Christmas morning. I haven't seen a smile like that since last June 17. -----Original Message----- From: Ellie Cutler To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 7:13 am Subject: number 8 then there was the reappearance of #8, with Jim O'Brien sitting on the opposing bench... _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sun Mar 1 23:37:51 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 15:37:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: a thousand cuts Message-ID: <554731.86632.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We're showing the strains, again, of knitting new players into the system.? Plus, Rondo was out of sync, Ray couldn't hit, and Stephon got picked a coupla times.? Detroit was playing a playoff game, and only Pierce & Davis could match their zeal.? Great third quarter for the big Baby, but we played only in spurts, it seemed.? Poor shooting, inventive refs, and the Pistons getting hot in the end.? Ah, this will go down to the last two or three games. Makes for an interesting contract situation for Davis; he seems to be earning a Perk-like number.? Cheers, Gene From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 14:09:16 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 06:09:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: preparing the bench Message-ID: <737871.17694.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think that if you shrink back from playing your bench, even before they're "ready," in order to win a few more games and get home-court advantage, then you might end up without either a ready bench and that hca.? We face that now.? I'm not greatly worried, just sorry that a long season doesn't produce more chances for the likes of Pruitt and Walker.? Those are the two who could have benefitted from steady time throughout, and who knows about Giddens.? I doubt Doc taught his kids how to ride a bike like this.? (Not discounting the value of time in the D League; but it is March. ? I'll admit to being disappointed in Pruitt; he hasn't shown the zip.? I don't know about Walker, but I do think he has great ability--and plenty zip.? Neither are keys like Tony or Davis, but we should know more about them than we do.? The fact that Doc is now saying we need to see what Walker and Giddens can do shows the weakness of his system.? ? Ideally, we have five plus Marbury, Tony, and Davis as our top eight.? Add Powe,?Moore,?and House as needed.? If healthy, I'm good with that.? If injuries, then we need minutes from someone else. ? Ah, it's a great time of the year--March brings such great college ball, and every game of ours plus those other two teams are crucial.? Cheers, Gene From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Mon Mar 2 14:22:03 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 09:22:03 -0500 Subject: preparing the bench In-Reply-To: <737871.17694.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <737871.17694.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903021422.n22EM7bL024395@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> Gene, Agree to point, however I diverge when you hit on the rotation. I don't expect Tony back frankly, and even if he is back, his history has shown he takes 4-5 weeks after every injury to "get his groove back" - and when he's not in that groove he's more hindrance than help IMHO. You leave out House, but he's an essential part of the rotation - despite his being short - his offense is desperately necessary and could be an X-factor. And I know you love Baby (Nobody puts Gene's baby in the corner!), but Powe is still the better defender - especially against the mobile 4s we'll see in the playoffs so I wouldn't count Powe out of the equation either. Despite Doc's rookie shortcomings (which I'd thought the Ryan Gomes experience would've cured him of that) he has shown that he'll play "the hot guy" (as long as he's a veteran) appropriately most times so I'm not thinking we'll have a "set 8" this early - that will shape more as we integrate Moore and Marbury and see if the rest of the team also accepts the new roles those new pieces play and conversely the changing their own roles. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:09 AM To: celtics Subject: preparing the bench I think that if you shrink back from playing your bench, even before they're "ready," in order to win a few more games and get home-court advantage, then you might end up without either a ready bench and that hca.? We face that now.? I'm not greatly worried, just sorry that a long season doesn't produce more chances for the likes of Pruitt and Walker.? Those are the two who could have benefitted from steady time throughout, and who knows about Giddens.? I doubt Doc taught his kids how to ride a bike like this.? (Not discounting the value of time in the D League; but it is March. ? I'll admit to being disappointed in Pruitt; he hasn't shown the zip.? I don't know about Walker, but I do think he has great ability--and plenty zip.? Neither are keys like Tony or Davis, but we should know more about them than we do.? The fact that Doc is now saying we need to see what Walker and Giddens can do shows the weakness of his system.? ? Ideally, we have five plus Marbury, Tony, and Davis as our top eight.? Add Powe,?Moore,?and House as needed.? If healthy, I'm good with that.? If injuries, then we need minutes from someone else. ? Ah, it's a great time of the year--March brings such great college ball, and every game of ours plus those other two teams are crucial.? Cheers, Gene _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pmaymin at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 18:27:04 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Philip Maymin) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:27:04 -0500 Subject: Why can't we sign Gooden/Smith? Message-ID: <8149AE58-60FA-4D7A-9B8E-E5EFA80A1D38@gmail.com> Can't we just waive Pruitt and sign one of them? What am I not understanding? Thanks. From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Mon Mar 2 18:56:16 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 13:56:16 -0500 Subject: Why can't we sign Gooden/Smith? In-Reply-To: <8149AE58-60FA-4D7A-9B8E-E5EFA80A1D38@gmail.com> References: <8149AE58-60FA-4D7A-9B8E-E5EFA80A1D38@gmail.com> Message-ID: <200903021856.n22IuK9c028116@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> "We" could if we owned the team and it was our money to spend in an economic slowdown. Given that it's not... Also, not as flippant an answer - we already have two pieces to integrate in a relatively short time period. I'm not entirely sure we could add many more at this point effectively. I would like either of them more than Mikki Moore too, but I think he's now our guy and the team is going to go forward with him and Marbury as their moves. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Philip Maymin Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 1:27 PM To: ; celtics at igtc.com Subject: Why can't we sign Gooden/Smith? Can't we just waive Pruitt and sign one of them? What am I not understanding? Thanks. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pdelevett at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 19:25:56 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:25:56 -0800 (PST) Subject: Scal on the shelf ... Message-ID: <311154.92442.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Globe is reporting that Scal officially has been diagnosed with his 3rd concussion of the season and is out indefinitely. And here's Brian quoted in the Herald: "I can?t watch TV for more than 30 minutes. ... When I start trying to read a book, everything moves. I have problems with motion during the day.? "Having problems with motion" seems like a real challenge for somebody hoping to get back to playing basketball. It seem likely we could be without him and Tony for the rest of the regular season, if not longer. Which is really going to leave us exposed defensively on the wings. And with big wings like Marvin Williams and Turkoglu out there, not to mention Cleveland about to add Joe Smith, that's an area where the Celtics could really be vulnerable in the playoffs. Gene makes a good point about the dilemma facing Doc now: he almost has to start playing Walker to see if he can bring something to the mix on defense.. But every regular-season game counts - there's going to be a big difference in the playoff between finishing first or second. If the playoffs started today, the top seed would play Milwaukee and then the Atlanta/Miami winner. The #2 seed would play the Pistons in the opening round and then Orlando.. From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 19:40:58 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 11:40:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: preparing the bench Message-ID: <262731.91348.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I'm not suggesting that House, or Moore, or Powe be left out of the rotation, but used as needed.? I think they all play but that Marbury and Davis (with Tony out) are first off the bench.? With some matchups, Powe is more valuable, but as long as Davis is hitting the outside jumper he is more valuable (imo).? Gene From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 22:26:53 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:26:53 -0800 (PST) Subject: preparing the bench In-Reply-To: <200903021422.n22EM7bL024395@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> Message-ID: <59412.6948.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Pat, The problem with House is that he doesn't have a position and he can't defend very well. Put him at point guard and the offense runs like crap. Put him at shooting guard, and we're susceptible to scoring binges from the other team's shooting guard (like Walter Hermann yesterday). Sure, it'd be great if Marbury was 6'5" and could easily guard the other team's 2 guard....but he's not. He's a decent matchup against certain backup 2 guards, sure, and he'll get better when he knows what's going on, but in general a Marbury/House backcourt is fraught with trouble because neither of them can guard their positions...since House's presence forces Marbury to guard 2 guards and he can't do that and House in general doesn't keep his man from penetrating the lane... I admit, I had visions of a Marbury/House backcourt working, but watching it in action these last two games, it's not going to work come playoff time. House is just too limited. There was a reason he was benched last season for a creaky, chucker named Sam Cassell and I believe he'll get benched again this season, assuming TA can get back healthy. His presence just forces too many other concessions that we can't afford come playoff time. House, ideally, is an end-of-quarter, 10 minute-a-game change of pacer who you play for a couple minutes to see if he's hitting...if not, you take him out because of what his presence does to your defense. Unfortunately, Doc probably has the most confidence in House right now, and so we're forced to hope he can hit a couple threes while he's out there because short of that he's a net negative. But, ideally, TA comes back and gets right back into the flow and we have a real backup 2-guard to go with our real backup point guard. As for TA's problems coming back from injury...I think they might be limited to his major knee injuries. Assuming he doesn't come back too early, I don't think TA will have a problem getting back into rhythm. This was just a thumb injury on his non-shooting hand, and he should be able to be running, lifting, and doing basketball activities with his right hand. The real question will be: will Doc have enough confidence in TA to put him right back into the fire, or will he instead ride a limited Eddie House right off a cliff. Ryan --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil > Subject: RE: preparing the bench > To: gk_tyler at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:22 AM > Gene, > > Agree to point, however I diverge when you hit on the > rotation. I don't expect Tony back frankly, and even if > he is back, his history has shown he takes 4-5 weeks after > every injury to "get his groove back" - and when > he's not in that groove he's more hindrance than > help IMHO. You leave out House, but he's an essential > part of the rotation - despite his being short - his offense > is desperately necessary and could be an X-factor. And I > know you love Baby (Nobody puts Gene's baby in the > corner!), but Powe is still the better defender - especially > against the mobile 4s we'll see in the playoffs so I > wouldn't count Powe out of the equation either. > > Despite Doc's rookie shortcomings (which I'd > thought the Ryan Gomes experience would've cured him of > that) he has shown that he'll play "the hot > guy" (as long as he's a veteran) appropriately most > times so I'm not thinking we'll have a "set > 8" this early - that will shape more as we integrate > Moore and Marbury and see if the rest of the team also > accepts the new roles those new pieces play and conversely > the changing their own roles. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene > kirkpatrick > Sent: Monday, March 02, 2009 9:09 AM > To: celtics > Subject: preparing the bench > > I think that if you shrink back from playing your bench, > even before they're "ready," in order to win a > few more games and get home-court advantage, then you might > end up without either a ready bench and that hca.? We face > that now.? I'm not greatly worried, just sorry that a > long season doesn't produce more chances for the likes > of Pruitt and Walker.? Those are the two who could have > benefitted from steady time throughout, and who knows about > Giddens.? I doubt Doc taught his kids how to ride a bike > like this.? (Not discounting the value of time in the D > League; but it is March. > ? > I'll admit to being disappointed in Pruitt; he > hasn't shown the zip.? I don't know about Walker, > but I do think he has great ability--and plenty zip.? > Neither are keys like Tony or Davis, but we should know more > about them than we do.? The fact that Doc is now saying we > need to see what Walker and Giddens can do shows the > weakness of his system.? > ? > Ideally, we have five plus Marbury, Tony, and Davis as our > top eight.? Add Powe,?Moore,?and House as needed.? If > healthy, I'm good with that.? If injuries, then we need > minutes from someone else. > ? > Ah, it's a great time of the year--March brings such > great college ball, and every game of ours plus those other > two teams are crucial.? Cheers, Gene > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 22:32:18 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:32:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: preparing the bench In-Reply-To: <737871.17694.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <303721.49683.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Well said, Gene. Doc has really painted himself into a corner with his reluctance to play Bill Walker. Ever since All-Star break, Doc should have tweaked his rotation to get Bill time and to limit the minutes of Paul and Ray; instead he continues to play both of them into the ground. He says he'd rather have a healthy team with a #2 or #3 seed, then a banged up #1 seed, but his actions speak otherwise. He says he needs to get Pierce and Allen rest, he says he needs to get Walker some minutes, and then the game rolls around and they never get off the bench! Bullshit, Doc! At this rate, he might end up with a banged up #3 seed with no depth. As usual Doc's inability to react to new developments and be creative with his rotations is his greatest weakness as a coach. Ryan --- On Mon, 3/2/09, gene kirkpatrick wrote: > From: gene kirkpatrick > Subject: preparing the bench > To: "celtics" > Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:09 AM > I think that if you shrink back from playing your bench, > even before they're "ready," in order to win a > few more games and get home-court advantage, then you might > end up without either a ready bench and that hca.? We face > that now.? I'm not greatly worried, just sorry that a > long season doesn't produce more chances for the likes > of Pruitt and Walker.? Those are the two who could have > benefitted from steady time throughout, and who knows about > Giddens.? I doubt Doc taught his kids how to ride a bike > like this.? (Not discounting the value of time in the D > League; but it is March. > ? > I'll admit to being disappointed in Pruitt; he > hasn't shown the zip.? I don't know about Walker, > but I do think he has great ability--and plenty zip.? > Neither are keys like Tony or Davis, but we should know more > about them than we do.? The fact that Doc is now saying we > need to see what Walker and Giddens can do shows the > weakness of his system.? > ? > Ideally, we have five plus Marbury, Tony, and Davis as our > top eight.? Add Powe,?Moore,?and House as needed.? If > healthy, I'm good with that.? If injuries, then we need > minutes from someone else. > ? > Ah, it's a great time of the year--March brings such > great college ball, and every game of ours plus those other > two teams are crucial.? Cheers, Gene > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Mon Mar 2 22:33:20 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 14:33:20 -0800 (PST) Subject: Off-Topic: Anybody else getting double messages? Message-ID: <127665.85355.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I keep getting the same messages twice. Anybody else having the same problems? Ryan From kmalo17 at verizon.net Mon Mar 2 23:18:08 2009 From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:18:08 -0500 Subject: Off-Topic: Anybody else getting double messages? In-Reply-To: <127665.85355.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <127665.85355.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KFW003C6JE6U3XM@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> At 05:33 PM 3/2/2009, Ryan W wrote: >I keep getting the same messages twice. Anybody else having the >same problems? > >Ryan Nope Ryan. Maybe a yahoo problem. Kim From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 00:57:38 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 16:57:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Off-Topic: Anybody else getting double messages? In-Reply-To: <0KFW003C6JE6U3XM@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <916355.17128.qm@web63102.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I'm getting double, triple,? sometimes quadruple. (and on yahoo) Ellie --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Kim Malo wrote: From: Kim Malo Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Anybody else getting double messages? To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 6:18 PM At 05:33 PM 3/2/2009, Ryan W wrote: >I keep getting the same messages twice. Anybody else having the >same problems? > >Ryan Nope Ryan. Maybe a yahoo problem. Kim _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pdelevett at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 02:28:09 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 18:28:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: This is interesting Message-ID: <699687.36154.qm@web110101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> David Aldridge, writing at NBA.com, says the Celtics were Joe Smith's top choice. Aldridge generally knows what he's talking about, so that's pretty interesting. http://www.nba.com/2009/news/03/01/gooden.smith/index.html From regmanw6 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 03:19:01 2009 From: regmanw6 at yahoo.com (R Howe) Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 19:19:01 -0800 (PST) Subject: Off-Topic: Anybody else getting double messages? In-Reply-To: <0KFW003C6JE6U3XM@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <177037.75268.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I have been getting a lot of double messages of late, I have yahoo mail, so maybe Kim is on to something. --- On Mon, 3/2/09, Kim Malo wrote: From: Kim Malo Subject: Re: Off-Topic: Anybody else getting double messages? To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 6:18 PM At 05:33 PM 3/2/2009, Ryan W wrote: >I keep getting the same messages twice. Anybody else having the >same problems? > >Ryan Nope Ryan. Maybe a yahoo problem. Kim _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From jozersky at optonline.net Tue Mar 3 10:45:14 2009 From: jozersky at optonline.net (jozersky at optonline.net) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:45:14 +0000 Subject: a thousand cuts Message-ID: <1474901792-1236077156-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1667510331-@bxe1168.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Was anyone else alarmed to see Steph stripped at midcourt, twice, ny a single defemder? Aren't PGs supposed to be able to protect their dribble? ------Original Message------ From: gene kirkpatrick Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com To: celtics ReplyTo: gk_tyler at yahoo.com ReplyTo: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Subject: a thousand cuts Sent: Mar 1, 2009 6:37 PM We're showing the strains, again, of knitting new players into the system.? Plus, Rondo was out of sync, Ray couldn't hit, and Stephon got picked a coupla times.? Detroit was playing a playoff game, and only Pierce & Davis could match their zeal.? Great third quarter for the big Baby, but we played only in spurts, it seemed.? Poor shooting, inventive refs, and the Pistons getting hot in the end.? Ah, this will go down to the last two or three games. Makes for an interesting contract situation for Davis; he seems to be earning a Perk-like number.? Cheers, Gene _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Tue Mar 3 11:32:58 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:32:58 -0800 (PST) Subject: a thousand cuts Message-ID: <239732.53246.qm@web63804.mail.re1.yahoo.com> That was one of the few parts of the game that I did see (gotta love an internet connection that ranges beween 0-500 KB per second). It was definitely alarming, considering he is to be ?the saviour? for our championship run. There is a quick piece about it in The Herald today: ? From: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view.bg?articleid=1155878&format=text Then there was the unsightly steal by Will Bynum. ?I don?t remember the last time I got ripped in open court,? Marbury said. The NBA alarm bell tolled again for Stephon Marbury yesterday, and master class will be in session again this morning before his next quiz tomorrow night in New Jersey. He didn?t hang around Georgia Tech long enough to get into the killer stuff, but with the NBA Finals potentially in his future, Marbury?s eyes will be wide today, as well. ? Hopefully it was a ?wake up? call for him, especially compared to his fairytale game on Friday night versus Indiana. ? --- jozersky at optonline.net wrote: Was anyone else alarmed to see Steph stripped at midcourt, twice, ny a single defemder? Aren't PGs supposed to be able to protect their dribble? ------Original Message------ From: gene kirkpatrick Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com To: celtics ReplyTo: gk_tyler at yahoo.com ReplyTo: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Subject: a thousand cuts Sent: Mar 1, 2009 6:37 PM We're showing the strains, again, of knitting new players into the system.? Plus, Rondo was out of sync, Ray couldn't hit, and Stephon got picked a coupla times.? Detroit was playing a playoff game, and only Pierce & Davis could match their zeal.? Great third quarter for the big Baby, but we played only in spurts, it seemed.? Poor shooting, inventive refs, and the Pistons getting hot in the end.? Ah, this will go down to the last two or three games. Makes for an interesting contract situation for Davis; he seems to be earning a Perk-like number.? Cheers, Gene Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Tue Mar 3 11:34:10 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 03:34:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: preparing the bench Message-ID: <474339.95552.qm@web63808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I actually think Doc?s system works pretty well. It?s no coincidence that there have been multiple young players step-up towards the end of the season- Gomes, Rondo and Powe (in his second year however). It would certainly make young players train harder and try to prove themselves in practice time. When they finally get given a chance in NBA games they are more battle-tested and ready to contribute. However- Delonte, Al Jefferson and Tony Allen were a little different as they were given steady minutes on the 2004-05 playoff team in their rookie season. So for some reason, Doc chose to sit Gomes and Rondo in the 2005-06 and 2006-07 seasons, respectively. It certainly worked out ok, as Gomes will be an NBA starter for his entire career by the looks of it and we all know what Rondo is up to these days. Delonte and Al Jefferson are in a similar boat whereas Tony is yet to gain proper consistency (also due to injuries). Leonwas actually given some minutes in 2006-07 and ?Big Baby? was given plenty in 2007-08. They were given this time, perhaps, due to the need for their size. Gabe is the odd man out as he wasn?t given many minutes at all in his rookie year (2007-08). Hopefully Pruitt, Giddens and Walker can provide a boost off the bench and plug the gaps in the rotation until the playoffs. After that, anything can happen. ? --- Ryan W wrote: Well said, Gene.? Doc has really painted himself into a corner with his reluctance to play Bill Walker.? Ever since All-Star break, Doc should have tweaked his rotation to get Bill time and to limit the minutes of Paul and Ray; instead he continues to play both of them into the ground.? He says he'd rather have a healthy team with a #2 or #3 seed, then a banged up #1 seed, but his actions speak otherwise.? He says he needs to get Pierce and Allen rest, he says he needs to get Walker some minutes, and then the game rolls around and they never get off the bench!? Bullshit, Doc!? At this rate, he might end up with a banged up #3 seed with no depth. As usual Doc's inability to react to new developments and be creative with his rotations is his greatest weakness as a coach.? Ryan --- On Mon, 3/2/09, gene kirkpatrick wrote: >From: gene kirkpatrick >Subject: preparing the bench >To: "celtics" >Date: Monday, March 2, 2009, 8:09 AM >I think that if you shrink back from playing your bench, >even before they're "ready," in order to win a >few more games and get home-court advantage, then you might >end up without either a ready bench and that hca.? We face >that now.? I'm not greatly worried, just sorry that a >long season doesn't produce more chances for the likes >of Pruitt and Walker.? Those are the two who could have >benefitted from steady time throughout, and who knows about >Giddens.? I doubt Doc taught his kids how to ride a bike >like this.? (Not discounting the value of time in the D >League; but it is March. >? >I'll admit to being disappointed in Pruitt; he >hasn't shown the zip.? I don't know about Walker, >but I do think he has great ability--and plenty zip.? >Neither are keys like Tony or Davis, but we should know more >about them than we do.? The fact that Doc is now saying we >need to see what Walker and Giddens can do shows the >weakness of his system.? >? >Ideally, we have five plus Marbury, Tony, and Davis as our >top eight.? Add Powe,?Moore,?and House as needed.? If >healthy, I'm good with that.? If injuries, then we need >minutes from someone else. >? >Ah, it's a great time of the year--March brings such >great college ball, and every game of ours plus those other >two teams are crucial.? Cheers, Gene > > >?????? >_______________________________________________ >The Boston Celtics Mailing List >celtics at igtc.com >http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 18:20:41 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 10:20:41 -0800 (PST) Subject: update on SG/SF picks Message-ID: <563788.19578.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> While trying to hit the send button half as hard: ? My two picks at SG and SF still look good.? They should be mid-second rounders, maybe a bit better.? Wes Matthews of Marquette is?scoring well; they should be about a #3 or #4 seed and play deep into the tournament.? Also, Danny Green of UNC is doing quite well, showing an excellent breadth of skills at SF.? I think we need the SG more, but Green may be an able backup at both? I think that soon someone like Giddens or a new player will bring the skills that replace Tony. ? Cheers, Gene From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Tue Mar 3 20:01:11 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 12:01:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: update on SG/SF picks In-Reply-To: <563788.19578.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4392.33818.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yeah, Gene, I LOVE Green. He's got a pro-body, with athleticism and a good looking shot. He's a definite pro-prospect. I wonder if he'll last until the 2nd round. Ryan --- On Tue, 3/3/09, gene kirkpatrick wrote: > From: gene kirkpatrick > Subject: update on SG/SF picks > To: "celtics" > Date: Tuesday, March 3, 2009, 12:20 PM > While trying to hit the send button half as hard: > ? > My two picks at SG and SF still look good.? They should be > mid-second rounders, maybe a bit better.? Wes Matthews of > Marquette is?scoring well; they should be about a #3 or #4 > seed and play deep into the tournament.? Also, Danny Green > of UNC is doing quite well, showing an excellent breadth of > skills at SF.? I think we need the SG more, but Green may > be an able backup at both? I think that soon someone like > Giddens or a new player will bring the skills that replace > Tony. > ? > Cheers, Gene > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From jlyell at verizon.net Tue Mar 3 21:01:58 2009 From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell) Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:01:58 -0800 Subject: This is interesting In-Reply-To: <699687.36154.qm@web110101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <699687.36154.qm@web110101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I expect he was our's but we couldn't wait to see, so they went the Moore direction On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Peter Delevett wrote: > > David Aldridge, writing at NBA.com, says the Celtics were Joe > Smith's top choice. Aldridge generally knows what he's talking > about, so that's pretty interesting. > > http://www.nba.com/2009/news/03/01/gooden.smith/index.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From mjkingsr at cox.net Wed Mar 4 22:28:20 2009 From: mjkingsr at cox.net (Michael J King Sr) Date: Wed, 04 Mar 2009 15:28:20 -0700 Subject: When March went mad:Magic vs Bird Message-ID: <49AF0084.303@cox.net> http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/the_bonus/03/03/march.mad/index.html From BDodgers at aol.com Thu Mar 5 05:18:44 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 00:18:44 EST Subject: Chris Mannix > INSIDE THE NBA Message-ID: Chris Mannix > INSIDE THE NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/chris_mannix/archive/) Celtics feel comfortable with the presence of the mercurial Marbury Story Highlights Celtics hope temperamental Stephon Marbury can help them repeat as champs New SI players' poll names Marbury as league's most undesirable teammate Celtics did their homework on Marbury and decided to add him to roster EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. -- This was not the _Stephon Marbury_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3099) the New York media had become accustomed to. At least, not at first. Marbury first emerged from the trainer's room about 65 minutes before the opening tip of Wednesday night's game between the Nets and Celtics. As he headed to his locker, Marbury was followed by a herd of media, many if not most of who had traversed the Lincoln Tunnel from Manhattan to chronicle his every movement. With the hot camera lights on him, Marbury was cordial. Affable, even. He answered a few softball questions about leaving New York, coming to Boston and having a chance to compete for a championship. He spoke calmly. He smiled. After a few minutes, several local reporters exchanged quizzical looks. Was this really Stephon Marbury? Then the cameras turned off. And the real Stephon Marbury returned. He was asked how he felt playing the two-guard, a position he refused to play in New York. "As long as I'm on the court, it doesn't matter," said Marbury. He was asked if he had talked to incumbent point guard _Rajon Rondo_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4149) about his role with the team. "I'm just here to help them win a championship," Marbury deadpanned. After that, Marbury brushed past the dozen or so media and disappeared back into the trainer's room. "At least we know it's really him," remarked one reporter. Fortunately for Marbury, his attitudes toward the New York media is of no concern to the Celtics (though it is probably an accurate depiction of his personality -- there is a reason 22 percent of the NBA players who responded to an SI players' poll this week named Marbury as the player they would least like to have on their team). Boston's only concern is his ability to contribute. Which he has. Sort of. In his first game with the Celtics, an adrenaline infused Marbury scored eight points in 13 minutes. Two nights later, Marbury crashed back to earth, scoring zero points in 12 minutes with two careless turnovers. On Wednesday, with the crowd booing the ex-Net every time he touched the ball, Marbury put up another goose egg in the scoring column. But while Marbury's numbers aren't gaudy, he has given veterans _Ray Allen_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3080) and _Paul Pierce_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3253) valuable pine time, and, while not being in game shape yet, has shown that he is in surprisingly good condition for someone who hadn't played in an NBA regular season game in 13 months. "I've been surprised [by his conditioning]," Celtics coach Doc Rivers said. "I was very surprised by that. Not playing since preseason and not playing NBA games since last January, I'm really surprised at his conditioning. The last two days, we went hard at practice. And I think he found that we don't take breaks in practice. We didn't sub him out in either practice. He was on the floor the entire two practices and I thought he withstood it pretty good. Now today he might not have anything left, but that would be fine, too. That wouldn't bother me at all, because I think the conditioning part has to come and as that comes, the timing will come. I just tell him every day, 'Don't try to fit in. Just play. It's not a one-way street. It's our job to embrace and grab you in.'" Of greater concern, according to team insiders, continues to be the effect Marbury's presence has on Rondo. Rondo has said repeatedly he is happy to have a quality backup like Marbury around, likening the situation to when _Sam Cassell_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/1295) was brought in late last season. But several insiders said they were surprised to see Marbury playing eight fourth-quarter minutes in Friday's win over Indiana while Rondo sat on the bench. Absurd as it may sound, a legitimate concern for the Celtics is to make sure their third-year playmaker doesn't start looking over his shoulder. On Wednesday, Rivers sounded like a coach not concerned about Marbury being a distraction. "I did a lot [of homework on Marbury]," said Rivers. "I made the calls to a lot of people. And I got good reports and bad reports. But obviously, I got enough that told me to go get him." NEWS AND NOTES ? The declining economy has had a profound impact on the NBA, with layoffs occurring league-wide and teams slashing payroll to try and avoid getting hit with the dollar-for-dollar luxury tax at the end of the season. But that hasn't been the only belt-tightening. At most NBA games there are usually three or four advanced scouts in attendance to chart another team's plays and submit a detailed report to the coaching staff for an upcoming game. But lately the number of scouts at arenas has dwindled, with teams that are out of playoff contention choosing to save a few bucks by keeping their scouts at home. "It's not surprising to see teams that are out of it pull their guys back," one scout said. "What's surprising is that it is happening a few weeks earlier this year. That's definitely related to the economy." ? It will be interesting to see how involved _Yao Ming_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3599) is in the Rockets' offense for the rest of the season. Yao has felt underutilized in Rick Adelman's read-and-react system, which is the polar opposite of Jeff Van Gundy's low-post oriented attack that involved Yao on nearly every possession. Some league insiders feel that while both Adelman and Yao are among the top coaches and players, respectively, their marriage to each other is doomed to fail. Adelman prefers big men who can step out on the perimeter and facilitate the offense from the elbow, like he had with _Brad Miller_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3305) , _Chris Webber_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/1272) and _Vlade Divac_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/84) in Sacramento. Yao is a classic back-to-the-basket player who has never looked comfortable playing so far from the rim. "Great coach, great player," an Eastern Conference scout said. "Bad mix." The Rockets have shown no indication that they are open to trading Yao (who has two-years and $34 million remaining on his contract) or firing Adelman (who has one-year and a team option remaining on his original four-year deal). Yao is a cash cow for Houston, and the idea of dealing a 28-year-old franchise center would seem absurd. But several executives feel that the Rockets will see what the market is for Yao at the end of the season. "They would be crazy not to at least ask around," an Eastern Conference GM said. ? After watching Allen torch New Jersey for 16 points Wednesday, including a game-tying three-pointer late in the fourth quarter, you have to wonder: How long can the 33-year-old play at this high a level? "I don't think he's going to lose his shot any time soon," Rivers said. "And as long as you can shoot in our league, you can probably play in our league for a long time." Allen says several variables -- the state of the Celtics and his family, to name a couple -- will determine how long he is going to play. A Western Conference GM, citing Allen's age and recent ankle surgeries, said that Allen will probably only command a three-year deal worth between $25-30 million when he becomes a free agent in 2010. But Rivers says there is one overriding reason why Allen can "probably play as long as he wants to." "When he gets to 50, if you put Ray Allen behind the three, would you guard him?" Rivers asked. "You sure would." **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 16:04:25 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 08:04:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: about last night's game Message-ID: <461128.89618.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> What happened with Marbury?? with Walker?? And Moore?? Are they showing some progress?? I think tomorrow's game will settle the home court issue.? If we lose, we will have to beat them in Cleveland at least once.? Oughta be a fantastic series.? Still think the good guys win 'em all without a game 7. ? Addendum:? I think Tyler Hansborough might be the sleeper choice of this draft.? All the services I see put him a late first rounder.? But he's Powe with a jumper--out to 20 feet.? How many teams have a #3 big who can do that while knowing the game and giving 100% night after night?? It takes us two guys to accomplish that, and Davis is inconsistent on his jumper and Powe can't bump with the meaty PFs or Cs.? I think Hansborough is going to be an excellent pro.? Well, there are others who merit a higher pick at PF, but not many.? If we have a good second round pick from the deal with the Kings (was that it?), I think we can get a good backup at #2 guard, anyway. From noah.evans at gmail.com Thu Mar 5 16:31:03 2009 From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 01:31:03 +0900 Subject: about last night's game In-Reply-To: <461128.89618.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <461128.89618.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56a297000903050831i8278a2cxbf1b5d18adb54502@mail.gmail.com> I see Hansborough as being a Matt Harpring type. Strong, aggressive but not athletic. I don't think he'll be able to get his shot off in the NBA, he does funky contortions with his body before he releases the ball to draw contact. That will get blocked in the NBA. He'll be a good bench player in the NBA but I don't think he'll be better than Powe or Joe Smith. On Fri, Mar 6, 2009 at 1:04 AM, gene kirkpatrick wrote: > What happened with Marbury?? with Walker?? And Moore?? Are they showing some progress?? I think tomorrow's game will settle the home court issue.? If we lose, we will have to beat them in Cleveland at least once.? Oughta be a fantastic series.? Still think the good guys win 'em all without a game 7. > > Addendum:? I think Tyler Hansborough might be the sleeper choice of this draft.? All the services I see put him a late first rounder.? But he's Powe with a jumper--out to 20 feet.? How many teams have a #3 big who can do that while knowing the game and giving 100% night after night?? It takes us two guys to accomplish that, and Davis is inconsistent on his jumper and Powe can't bump with the meaty PFs or Cs.? I think Hansborough is going to be an excellent pro.? Well, there are others who merit a higher pick at PF, but not many.? If we have a good second round pick from the deal with the Kings (was that it?), I think we can get a good backup at #2 guard, anyway. > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From renrile at qualcomm.com Thu Mar 5 18:34:52 2009 From: renrile at qualcomm.com (Enrile, Roy) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 10:34:52 -0800 Subject: about last night's game In-Reply-To: <461128.89618.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <461128.89618.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0938E4C6C3C7CF48BB2F343EC9CF161814DB597A8C@NASANEXMB02.na.qualcomm.com> Marbury got picked clean at halfcourt again by a backup scrub(this time Dooling). Still rusty/careless with his ballhandling & running the bench offense for now. But his aggressive/confident scoring attempts & him being a bruiser seems to make him more effective than Gabe at replacing Tony-minutes & lowering Ray/Rajon-minutes. On D, he's more determined than in past years(like Ray last year), moving his feet, & being physical (instead of coasting on his athleticism/talent). Even though some of the 2guards , are scoring on him, his effort is a good sign for the C's, since defense is mostly mental-toughness & work-ethic. For Walker, Stephon fed him on a cut down the lane, and Bill pulled off an acrobatic layup over 3 guys. But in short-mins, he's not progressing in shooting or defensive stopper skills yet (he was more effective/dirty on D in pre-season). We'll see how he does w/ some minutes against King James tonight. I think Mikki's showing the most progress as a possible big factor in the playoffs. Draining catchNshoot jumpers with no hesitation(a little past free-throw distance like KG/Baby/PJ). Finish a few layups in traffic at the rim. I can see why he lead the league in FG% one year. And when it comes to a 7 footer sprinting around challenging on perimeter D rotations, I think he's an even quicker livebody than KG. He's not making intimidating stops at the rim like Perk/KG/PJ though. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:04 AM To: celtics Subject: about last night's game What happened with Marbury?? with Walker?? And Moore?? Are they showing some progress?? I think tomorrow's game will settle the home court issue.? If we lose, we will have to beat them in Cleveland at least once.? Oughta be a fantastic series.? Still think the good guys win 'em all without a game 7. ? From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 19:29:02 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2009 11:29:02 -0800 (PST) Subject: about last night's game In-Reply-To: <0938E4C6C3C7CF48BB2F343EC9CF161814DB597A8C@NASANEXMB02.na.qualcomm.com> Message-ID: <225415.53306.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Thanks for the updates.? I fully expect Marbury to come on and be a factor.? If Moore is, too, that's quite a plus. --- On Thu, 3/5/09, Enrile, Roy wrote: From: Enrile, Roy Subject: RE: about last night's game To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" Date: Thursday, March 5, 2009, 12:34 PM Marbury got picked clean at halfcourt again by a backup scrub(this time Dooling). Still rusty/careless with his ballhandling & running the bench offense for now. But his aggressive/confident scoring attempts & him being a bruiser seems to make him more effective than Gabe at replacing Tony-minutes & lowering Ray/Rajon-minutes. On D, he's more determined than in past years(like Ray last year), moving his feet, & being physical (instead of coasting on his athleticism/talent). Even though some of the 2guards , are scoring on him, his effort is a good sign for the C's, since defense is mostly mental-toughness & work-ethic. For Walker, Stephon fed him on a cut down the lane, and Bill pulled off an acrobatic layup over 3 guys. But in short-mins, he's not progressing in shooting or defensive stopper skills yet (he was more effective/dirty on D in pre-season). We'll see how he does w/ some minutes against King James tonight. I think Mikki's showing the most progress as a possible big factor in the playoffs. Draining catchNshoot jumpers with no hesitation(a little past free-throw distance like KG/Baby/PJ). Finish a few layups in traffic at the rim. I can see why he lead the league in FG% one year. And when it comes to a 7 footer sprinting around challenging on perimeter D rotations, I think he's an even quicker livebody than KG. He's not making intimidating stops at the rim like Perk/KG/PJ though. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 8:04 AM To: celtics Subject: about last night's game What happened with Marbury?? with Walker?? And Moore?? Are they showing some progress?? I think tomorrow's game will settle the home court issue.? If we lose, we will have to beat them in Cleveland at least once.? Oughta be a fantastic series.? Still think the good guys win 'em all without a game 7. ? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Fri Mar 6 13:16:12 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 05:16:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: This is interesting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <411180.34166.qm@web63804.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/articles/2009/03/06/the_king_has_a_court/?page=full ?The Celtics were interested in Smith and Moore. With Moore becoming available first, the Celtics aggressively pursued him and signed him Feb. 24. Boston's swift move was prudent because Smith planned to go to the Cavaliers all along once he became a free agent. ? ? It sounds right as Smith still owns a house in Cleveland apparently. Doc is also quoted in the article: ? "We couldn't wait," Rivers said. "We didn't know what was going to happen. We liked both guys and we wanted one. That was our whole goal. They both can stretch the floor. Joe has more experience in big games. I'm sure that will come into play at some point, but Mikki will gain that by playing with us." ? Doesn?t matter. Mikki is doing a good job as backup center and if Big Baby keeps hitting those mid-range jumpshots we probably don?t need Joe Smith. (It sure would have been good, though) As for tonight?s game against Cleveland and Sunday?s game against Orlando, I?ll be very happy if we win one of those games; hopefully against Cleveland tonight. Both games are in Boston so we have a very good chance of winning both. ________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2009 13:01:58 -0800 From: John Lyell Subject: Re: This is interesting To: "pdelevett at yahoo.com" ,??? The Boston Celtics ??? Mailing List Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii;??? format=flowed;??? delsp=yes I expect he was our's but we couldn't wait to see, so they went the? Moore direction On Mar 2, 2009, at 6:28 PM, Peter Delevett wrote: > > David Aldridge, writing at NBA.com, says the Celtics were Joe? > Smith's top choice. Aldridge generally knows what he's talking? > about, so that's pretty interesting. > > http://www.nba.com/2009/news/03/01/gooden.smith/index.html > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics End of The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 46 *************************************************************** Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From bosox18 at charter.net Fri Mar 6 14:08:42 2009 From: bosox18 at charter.net (Steve Ouellette) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 09:08:42 -0500 Subject: about last night's game In-Reply-To: <461128.89618.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <461128.89618.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The name Josh McRoberts comes to mind ... No way Hansborough can play the 3 in the NBA -- big or otherwise. He wouldn't be able to stop anybody. He's got high-energy backup written all over him. Sounds sorta like ... Leon Powe? Steve O -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 11:04 AM To: celtics Subject: about last night's game What happened with Marbury?? with Walker?? And Moore?? Are they showing some progress?? I think tomorrow's game will settle the home court issue.? If we lose, we will have to beat them in Cleveland at least once.? Oughta be a fantastic series.? Still think the good guys win 'em all without a game 7. ? Addendum:? I think Tyler Hansborough might be the sleeper choice of this draft.? All the services I see put him a late first rounder.? But he's Powe with a jumper--out to 20 feet.? How many teams have a #3 big who can do that while knowing the game and giving 100% night after night?? It takes us two guys to accomplish that, and Davis is inconsistent on his jumper and Powe can't bump with the meaty PFs or Cs.? I think Hansborough is going to be an excellent pro.? Well, there are others who merit a higher pick at PF, but not many.? If we have a good second round pick from the deal with the Kings (was that it?), I think we can get a good backup at #2 guard, anyway. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pdelevett at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 03:45:12 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 19:45:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: Wow, what a win! Message-ID: <287041.57330.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> No KG, no problem! ;) This one had me nervous, especially when Rondo twisted his ankle. But despite the fact that Lebron shot as many FTs as the Celtics combined, our boys came up big. Studly showing by Powe. And Mikki Moore didn't let Joe Smith show him up (Smith shot 3-8 while Mikki was a perfect 3-3). From kmalo17 at verizon.net Sat Mar 7 04:25:25 2009 From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo) Date: Fri, 06 Mar 2009 23:25:25 -0500 Subject: Wow, what a win! In-Reply-To: <287041.57330.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <287041.57330.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0KG40074FCAEH7YP@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> At 10:45 PM 3/6/2009, Peter Delevett wrote: >No KG, no problem! ;) > >This one had me nervous, especially when Rondo twisted his ankle. >But despite the fact that Lebron shot as many FTs as the Celtics >combined, our boys came up big. Studly showing by Powe. And Mikki >Moore didn't let Joe Smith show him up (Smith shot 3-8 while Mikki >was a perfect 3-3). Yeah, lot of heroes in this one (how much money could you have made betting on the Cs high scorer at half time, while its being Perk was one of the early good signs, indicating a) that we were going to try to win it as a team, which was how we had to, not a bunch of guys trying to do it on their own and b) we were being smart enough to take what they gave us, where Cleveland clearly came in planning to not let our star jumpshooters beat them. Anyway, Pierce (at both ends) and Powe have to rank high on the list of heroes. Will had a lot to do with why we won and you can beat Leon with height and talent, but not sheer this is MINE will. Interesting that House was the first sub when Rondo got hurt. Something that doesn't get mentioned specifically a lot about Pierce, but one of the big changes of the New Big 3 Era is that he's gone from a guy always willing to take the clutch shot to a legit clutch shooter. Not just the last one of the game, but those shots to stop runs the other way and those absolute daggers to bury someone, both of which occurred tonight. I never used to expect him to make them before, although didn't necessarily expect him not to. But I do now. Kim From roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com Sat Mar 7 04:34:11 2009 From: roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com (Belanger, Roger) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:34:11 -0500 Subject: Wow, what a win! Message-ID: <37451F909D962F4684FE4127C64208A8796DD4@invsfoxxchpub01> Just left the game, still waiting to get out of the garage. No KG, no baby, refs did everything they could to screw us ans we still pulled it out. I've screamed my voice out. Exciting win despite the bad stuff. roger belanger -----Original Message----- From: Peter Delevett Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 10:45 PM To: celtics at igtc.com Subject: Wow, what a win! No KG, no problem! ;) This one had me nervous, especially when Rondo twisted his ankle. But despite the fact that Lebron shot as many FTs as the Celtics combined, our boys came up big. Studly showing by Powe. And Mikki Moore didn't let Joe Smith show him up (Smith shot 3-8 while Mikki was a perfect 3-3). _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy it or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person. 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This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sat Mar 7 07:44:40 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Fri, 6 Mar 2009 23:44:40 -0800 (PST) Subject: Oh baby what a play! Message-ID: <519786.42560.qm@web63801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I should say Rondo, actually. Not baby :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMgBMhMHFjw Better quality video on nba.com Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From bosox18 at charter.net Sat Mar 7 14:47:35 2009 From: bosox18 at charter.net (Steve Ouellette) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 09:47:35 -0500 Subject: Wow, what a win! In-Reply-To: <0KG40074FCAEH7YP@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> References: <287041.57330.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <0KG40074FCAEH7YP@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <6FE348BBDE4F41538FD2B98700B90CD8@StevePC> That was, honestly, the best I have seen the Celtics play offensively this year. Not just that they made a high percentage of their shots -- they've done that before -- but that virtually every shot was a good one. They got good looks every time down, most of them in the paint, and they were almost never pressed by the shot clock. All of this against one of the best defenses in the league, and without KG. Nice. Steve O -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Kim Malo Sent: Friday, March 06, 2009 11:25 PM To: celtics at igtc.com Subject: Re: Wow, what a win! At 10:45 PM 3/6/2009, Peter Delevett wrote: >No KG, no problem! ;) > >This one had me nervous, especially when Rondo twisted his ankle. >But despite the fact that Lebron shot as many FTs as the Celtics >combined, our boys came up big. Studly showing by Powe. And Mikki >Moore didn't let Joe Smith show him up (Smith shot 3-8 while Mikki >was a perfect 3-3). Yeah, lot of heroes in this one (how much money could you have made betting on the Cs high scorer at half time, while its being Perk was one of the early good signs, indicating a) that we were going to try to win it as a team, which was how we had to, not a bunch of guys trying to do it on their own and b) we were being smart enough to take what they gave us, where Cleveland clearly came in planning to not let our star jumpshooters beat them. Anyway, Pierce (at both ends) and Powe have to rank high on the list of heroes. Will had a lot to do with why we won and you can beat Leon with height and talent, but not sheer this is MINE will. Interesting that House was the first sub when Rondo got hurt. Something that doesn't get mentioned specifically a lot about Pierce, but one of the big changes of the New Big 3 Era is that he's gone from a guy always willing to take the clutch shot to a legit clutch shooter. Not just the last one of the game, but those shots to stop runs the other way and those absolute daggers to bury someone, both of which occurred tonight. I never used to expect him to make them before, although didn't necessarily expect him not to. But I do now. Kim _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From BDodgers at aol.com Sat Mar 7 15:29:53 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:29:53 EST Subject: Home rule defining this rivalry Message-ID: Home rule defining this rivalry The Celtics' big men led the charge over the Cavs at home, tightening the East chase By John Hollinger ESPN.com BOSTON -- With all eyes on how the Celtics might fare without _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=261) , it was a missing power forward on the other side who may have proved more indispensable -- at least on this night. With Cavs forward _Ben Wallace_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=885) sidelined by a broken leg, Boston overwhelmed Cleveland with 58 points in the paint -- including 20 from reserve _Leon Powe_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3023) -- as the Celtics won 105-94 to stay in the race for the top seed in the Eastern Conference. It was the 15th straight time the home team won when these two sides played, and Boston's overwhelming physicality was the deciding factor. "Big Baby [Davis] and Leon Powe did an unbelievable job and controlled the game," said _LeBron James_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) . "You give up that many paint points, nine times out of ten you're going to lose the ballgame." On a day when they learned Garnett will be out at least another week, it couldn't have been more important. Boston could have fell three behind Cleveland in the loss column, virtually eliminating any chance at getting the home-court advantage which has proven so vital in meetings between these two teams. Instead, the Celtics trail by just one loss, and are virtually guaranteed to have the tiebreaker advantage thanks to Friday's head-to-head win and a superior conference record. The Celtics attacked inside from the get-go, with _Kendrick Perkins_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2018) and _Glen Davis_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3200) taking four of their first five shots, and never let up. Perkins, Davis and Powe combined for 40 points on 19-of-29 shooting. Without Wallace to serve as enforcer on the interior, all three players found favorable physical matchups -- including a few against heralded newcomer _Joe Smith_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=788) . "Our bigs were physical," said Celtics coach _Doc Rivers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) . "Mikki [Moore] and Leon and Baby and Perk were phenomenal all night. And that's what we needed." "At times, they ... just lined it up and brought it on us," said Cavs coach _Mike Brown_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3612) . "We were trying to be aggressive against [Paul] Pierce and [Ray] Allen and we did not do a good job on the backside when that happened." Even when Boston's physical play went too far -- like when Davis was ejected for a flagrant foul on _Anderson Varejao_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2419) early in the third quarter -- it worked out OK. Davis' ouster proved to be a blessing in disguise, as Powe came in and raised Boston's interior domination to another level. Truth be told, Powe has been the more effective player all season, and it's been something of a mystery that Davis, not Powe, has been the one to see more court time in Garnett's absence. Powe checked in with Cleveland trailing 55-48, but the Cavs were within three by the time Boston got the ball back thanks to the flagrant foul shots and a 3-pointer on the subsequent trip by LeBron James; in fact, they briefly came back to tie the game at 57 two trips later. But three Powe layups and back-to-back 3-pointers by _Paul Pierce_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=662) pushed Boston's lead back into double digits, and the Cavs never seriously threatened from that point forward. "We just felt every time Ray [Allen] and Paul [Pierce] come off a pick, they're going to try to take it away from you," said Rivers. "And we felt the only way we could at least think about making them stop it is to get inside. If they're going to bring their bigs away from the basket, one big had to be open underneath. But it takes passes." Rivers got the passes he needed, and then some -- 31 of the Celtics' 45 buckets were assisted, with _Rajon Rondo_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3026) and Pierce combining for 19. In contrast, the Cavs had 17 as a team as their offense frequently bogged down in one-on-one forays by James or _Mo Williams_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2178) (26 points). While Boston's physicality was the dominant theme, a nearly as important one was Pierce getting the best of James in their head-to-head match-up. The early involvement of Boston's bigs softened things up for him in the second half as he finished with 29 points, while Boston's defense walled James out of the paint and limited him to 21 on 5-of-15 shooting. "We wanted to make him play out in a box," said Rivers. "When he's making [outside] shots, there's not a lot you can do. But what we didn't want him to [do] is get to the rim." Brown said he'd have to look at the tape to determine whether it was his sets or Boston's defense that was the major problem. "We did not do a good job moving bodies and moving the basketball," said Brown. "We'd been pretty good at that of late but we did not do a good job tonight." As far as what Friday's result portends for the future, I can't honestly say too much. It's hard to see this game as a harbinger of what's to come in the playoffs when Garnett and Wallace didn't play and both sides were trying to incorporate newly signed players into their rotations. Its importance, however, was underlined by the final result. The home team always wins when these two teams play, so home-court advantage for a playoff series would appear to be indispensable. And thanks to their outmuscling Cleveland tonight, Boston is still alive in the race to obtain it. John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From jlyell at verizon.net Sat Mar 7 15:50:11 2009 From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 07:50:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: Home rule defining this rivalry In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <291406.23994.qm@web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Leon stepped up big time on the boards, blocking shots, & scoring. Joe Smith looks old. I like Moore. --- On Sat, 3/7/09, BDodgers at aol.com wrote: From: BDodgers at aol.com Subject: Home rule defining this rivalry To: celtics at igtc.com, Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 7:29 AM Home rule defining this rivalry The Celtics' big men led the charge over the Cavs at home, tightening the East chase By John Hollinger ESPN.com BOSTON -- With all eyes on how the Celtics might fare without _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=261) , it was a missing power forward on the other side who may have proved more indispensable -- at least on this night. With Cavs forward _Ben Wallace_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=885) sidelined by a broken leg, Boston overwhelmed Cleveland with 58 points in the paint -- including 20 from reserve _Leon Powe_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3023) -- as the Celtics won 105-94 to stay in the race for the top seed in the Eastern Conference. It was the 15th straight time the home team won when these two sides played, and Boston's overwhelming physicality was the deciding factor. "Big Baby [Davis] and Leon Powe did an unbelievable job and controlled the game," said _LeBron James_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1966) . "You give up that many paint points, nine times out of ten you're going to lose the ballgame." On a day when they learned Garnett will be out at least another week, it couldn't have been more important. Boston could have fell three behind Cleveland in the loss column, virtually eliminating any chance at getting the home-court advantage which has proven so vital in meetings between these two teams. Instead, the Celtics trail by just one loss, and are virtually guaranteed to have the tiebreaker advantage thanks to Friday's head-to-head win and a superior conference record. The Celtics attacked inside from the get-go, with _Kendrick Perkins_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2018) and _Glen Davis_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3200) taking four of their first five shots, and never let up. Perkins, Davis and Powe combined for 40 points on 19-of-29 shooting. Without Wallace to serve as enforcer on the interior, all three players found favorable physical matchups -- including a few against heralded newcomer _Joe Smith_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=788) . "Our bigs were physical," said Celtics coach _Doc Rivers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) . "Mikki [Moore] and Leon and Baby and Perk were phenomenal all night. And that's what we needed." "At times, they ... just lined it up and brought it on us," said Cavs coach _Mike Brown_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3612) . "We were trying to be aggressive against [Paul] Pierce and [Ray] Allen and we did not do a good job on the backside when that happened." Even when Boston's physical play went too far -- like when Davis was ejected for a flagrant foul on _Anderson Varejao_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2419) early in the third quarter -- it worked out OK. Davis' ouster proved to be a blessing in disguise, as Powe came in and raised Boston's interior domination to another level. Truth be told, Powe has been the more effective player all season, and it's been something of a mystery that Davis, not Powe, has been the one to see more court time in Garnett's absence. Powe checked in with Cleveland trailing 55-48, but the Cavs were within three by the time Boston got the ball back thanks to the flagrant foul shots and a 3-pointer on the subsequent trip by LeBron James; in fact, they briefly came back to tie the game at 57 two trips later. But three Powe layups and back-to-back 3-pointers by _Paul Pierce_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=662) pushed Boston's lead back into double digits, and the Cavs never seriously threatened from that point forward. "We just felt every time Ray [Allen] and Paul [Pierce] come off a pick, they're going to try to take it away from you," said Rivers. "And we felt the only way we could at least think about making them stop it is to get inside. If they're going to bring their bigs away from the basket, one big had to be open underneath. But it takes passes." Rivers got the passes he needed, and then some -- 31 of the Celtics' 45 buckets were assisted, with _Rajon Rondo_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3026) and Pierce combining for 19. In contrast, the Cavs had 17 as a team as their offense frequently bogged down in one-on-one forays by James or _Mo Williams_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2178) (26 points). While Boston's physicality was the dominant theme, a nearly as important one was Pierce getting the best of James in their head-to-head match-up. The early involvement of Boston's bigs softened things up for him in the second half as he finished with 29 points, while Boston's defense walled James out of the paint and limited him to 21 on 5-of-15 shooting. "We wanted to make him play out in a box," said Rivers. "When he's making [outside] shots, there's not a lot you can do. But what we didn't want him to [do] is get to the rim." Brown said he'd have to look at the tape to determine whether it was his sets or Boston's defense that was the major problem. "We did not do a good job moving bodies and moving the basketball," said Brown. "We'd been pretty good at that of late but we did not do a good job tonight." As far as what Friday's result portends for the future, I can't honestly say too much. It's hard to see this game as a harbinger of what's to come in the playoffs when Garnett and Wallace didn't play and both sides were trying to incorporate newly signed players into their rotations. Its importance, however, was underlined by the final result. The home team always wins when these two teams play, so home-court advantage for a playoff series would appear to be indispensable. And thanks to their outmuscling Cleveland tonight, Boston is still alive in the race to obtain it. John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sat Mar 7 18:33:46 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) Subject: Leon & Baby Message-ID: <506398.23018.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Leon was magnificent & Baby was great.? Hard to beat us when we're moving the ball well enough for them to get good inside shots.? I don't agree with Hollinger, however, that Powe has been the better all year long and should be starting.? I would like to know who grades out better all around, on defensive stops, deflections, etc.? I don't know since they both work their tails off.? But I have thought it boils down to two things, maybe three:? Davis has the bulk to bump centers off their marks, and he can hit the 18 footer.? It could also be a psychological thing--Davis may need to start or do better when starting; that's a coaching thing.? Anyway, both are getting solid minutes and contributing so I don't care. Any idea why, with a minute to go in the half, we got a three second call (Pierce hit a shot and it was erased).? All I saw was Rondo taking no more than 2 seconds to traverse the lane.? I thought that excessively picky.? Plus, does Varejo ever go into the paint without fouling someone.? Do you think we can go to Cleveland and get anywhere near an even calling by the refs?? Cheers, Gene From pmaymin at gmail.com Sat Mar 7 18:43:34 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Philip Maymin) Date: Sat, 7 Mar 2009 13:43:34 -0500 Subject: Leon & Baby In-Reply-To: <506398.23018.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <506398.23018.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Gene, this may have been a different call, but there was a time when they whistled a Defensive three in the key as Pierce hit his shot. Since he made the shot, there is no extra techical to shoot. So what was waived off was what would have been a third point. Of course there was also an offensive three called at a different time, but I thought that was on Powe, and without a simultaneous shot by Pierce. On Mar 7, 2009, at 1:33 PM, gene kirkpatrick wrote: > Leon was magnificent & Baby was great. Hard to beat us when we're > moving the ball well enough for them to get good inside shots. I > don't agree with Hollinger, however, that Powe has been the better > all year long and should be starting. I would like to know who > grades out better all around, on defensive stops, deflections, etc. > I don't know since they both work their tails off. But I have > thought it boils down to two things, maybe three: Davis has the > bulk to bump centers off their marks, and he can hit the 18 footer. > It could also be a psychological thing--Davis may need to start or > do better when starting; that's a coaching thing. Anyway, both are > getting solid minutes and contributing so I don't care. > > Any idea why, with a minute to go in the half, we got a three second > call (Pierce hit a shot and it was erased). All I saw was Rondo > taking no more than 2 seconds to traverse the lane. I thought that > excessively picky. Plus, does Varejo ever go into the paint without > fouling someone. Do you think we can go to Cleveland and get > anywhere near an even calling by the refs? Cheers, Gene > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From BDodgers at aol.com Mon Mar 9 01:48:33 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2009 21:48:33 EDT Subject: Ian Thomsen > INSIDE THE NBA Message-ID: Ian Thomsen > INSIDE THE NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/ian_thomsen/archive/) Magic-Celtics does little to change perceptions about either contender Story Highlights The Magic beat the Celtics 86-79 to pull within two games of the No. 2 seed Celtics Despite being No. 3 in the East, who sees Orlando in the Celtics and Cavs' class? For all the Magic's high-ranking defensive stats, they still miss a physical presence BOSTON -- Four injured Celtics watched their team play its worst first half of the _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3007) era Sunday. Among those injured was Garnett, who is not one to brood in silence. Imagine the running dialog in front of the lockerroom TVs as he, _Rajon Rondo_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4149) , _Tony Allen_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3842) and _Brian Scalabrine_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3544) deconstructed their team's 4-11 assist-turnover ratio as well as the defense (for lack of a better term) that yielded 56.4 percent shooting as Orlando seized a 51-33 halftime lead. "All I know,'' said Boston coach Doc Rivers, who as a rule joins the players in the lockerroom after granting them a five-minute cooling off period at halftime, "is that when I came in, Rondo and Garnett were both standing in front of the chalkboard. So I guess they said something.'' "They were telling us we were a step too slow and they were telling us we weren't into the game,'' said Celtics big man _Mikki Moore_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3308) in a dispassionate and highly-edited translation. "They're our teammates, so they tell it like it is. It's a different kind of frustration: They see us not playing like we should; to us we're playing hard but it's just not going our way.'' What followed was a momentary 15-point turnaround that might have threatened the Magic's self-esteem. They survived to win 86-79, but only after _Ray Allen_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3080) (32 points) missed an open three that would have tied the score with 40 seconds remaining. "I'll tell you, this team has a lot of heart,'' said Moore, who takes nothing for granted after a year and a half with Sacramento. A late-season meeting of contenders like this isn't going to change the established opinions of either team. The Celtics were going to be lauded for losing because they didn't give up; the Magic were going to be criticized for going 0 for 6 from the floor over the final 4 minutes while ceding a singlehanded 9-0 run by Allen that very nearly ruined their beautiful Sunday afternoon. The win pulled Orlando within 2 games of the second-seeded Celtics heading into the final quarter of the season. But who out there views Orlando as being in the class of the champions or the top-of-the-conference Cavaliers? Coach Stan Van Gundy thinks his team deserves more appreciation for their toughness. "That's something I never hear about,'' he said after this game. "All anybody talks about is three-point shooting. But look at our defensive numbers and see where we rank.'' The Magic entered this game ranked No. 3 in field goal defense, No. 2 in blocked shots and No. 3 in defensive rebound percentage. They also rank No. 2 (behind Mike D'Antoni's Knicks) in three-point attempts with 26.4 per game, and that's what defines them above all else. Can a perimeter-shooting team win a championship? The question is asked and answered by the Celtics, wedded as they are to the more traditional style. In football terms this game Sunday was cast as the run-and-shoot offense of the Magic vs. the Celtics, who by contrast look like they were conceived by Mike Ditka. "They're very physical, they push and shove, they body,'' said Van Gundy of the Celtics. "When teams establish that style of play, they're allowed to do it.'' _Dwight Howard_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3818) (6 of 13) was held to 18 points in part because, according to Van Gundy, "they can take two hands in the guy's back and just shove him, which is what (Boston center Kendrick) Perkins does.'' The younger Magic can't develop that style because their big men -- All-Stars Howard and _Rashard Lewis_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3275) -- can't risk the foul trouble. In that sense, Van Gundy conceded, it is fair to refer to his Magic as a finesse team. "Dwight is built to play more physically than anybody in the league,'' said Van Gundy, but he can't afford to indulge Howard's physique. "_Kendrick Perkins_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3730) can be as physical as he wants.'' Resilient Orlando is 7-2 since acquiring _Rafer Alston_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3282) to replace injured leader _Jameer Nelson_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3837) . Thanks to the combined 4-for-4 free-throw shooting of Lewis and Howard over the final half-minute, the Magic left town with more proof of their nuanced toughness. The Celtics have their own issues. "We pick and choose a little bit with the focus,'' said Rivers, who thought his players were much too chatty before this game. "That's part of the championship residue, where last year every game we charted as a big game.'' Afterwards Rivers criticized himself ("a huge mistake'') for failing to start _Eddie House_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3436) instead of _Stephon Marbury_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3099) , whose uncertainty running the offense had a limiting effect on Pierce (16 points) and Allen to open the game. Boston's nine turnovers in the first quarter (having surrendered eight throughout their big win Friday against the visiting Cavaliers) included three by Pierce, who watched his passes bounce out of bounds untouched throughout the long opening half. The Magic played big with 6-foot-11 _Marcin Gortat_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3983) and 6-foot-11 _Tony Battie_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3176) off the bench to exploit the absence of Garnett; on Friday the Celtics had responded to similar tactics by making the extra pass inside to create layups for _Leon Powe_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4177) , but this time the paint was a no-go area. When Powe was on the verge of settling the half-court offense by working his way into the seams, he was surprised by Lewis stripping him from behind. When Perkins backed in for a short turnaround there was Howard sizing up the block like Albert Pujols on a slow-pitch softball. When _Anthony Johnson_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3207) sank a 10-footer to put the visitors up 42-22 with 4:24 remaining in the half, the Celtics found themselves trailing by 20 at home for the first time since Garnett came to Boston. They were in this mess, of course, because he and Rondo were watching on TV in the lockerroom. They got themselves out of it because of whatever was said at halftime. The goal for Orlando and Cleveland is to exploit the next couple of weeks as the Celtics rehab Garnett and the others while sorting out their rotation entering the playoffs. Rivers will sacrifice wins over the next five weeks in order to ensure good health for May and June. "If we struggle, we struggle,'' he said. "Obviously we want home court, but we believe we can win on the road.'' The Magic have yet to earn that confidence. That's why their back-to-back Monday at Detroit -- against whom Howard is 3-16 dating back to 2006-07 -- is crucial if they hope to supplant the favorites when the games really matter. **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From BDodgers at aol.com Mon Mar 9 20:46:52 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 16:46:52 EDT Subject: Celtics without five players vs. Heat Message-ID: Celtics without five players vs. Heat Associated Press WALTHAM, Mass. -- The _Boston Celtics_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) ' biggest opponent right now is the training room. The Celtics will not dress five players when they play at the _Miami Heat_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mia) on Wednesday night. Coach _Doc Rivers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) on Monday ruled out _Rajon Rondo_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3026) and _Glen "Big Baby" Davis_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3200) after both sprained their right ankles over the weekend. Rondo was hurt in Friday's 105-94 win over the _Cleveland Cavaliers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cle) and Davis in Sunday's 86-79 loss to the _Orlando Magic_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=orl) . They join superstar _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=261) , _Brian Scalabrine_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1021) and _Tony Allen_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2367) on the sidelines. Garnett has a sprained right knee and Allen has an injured left thumb. Scalabrine has post-concussion syndrome. Rivers said he expects Davis and Rondo to miss at least the next two games. After Miami, Boston hosts the _Memphis Grizzlies_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mem) on Friday and plays at the _Milwaukee Bucks_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mil) on Sunday. "Kevin will be out longer than the Milwaukee game," Rivers said. "I'm pretty sure of that. I would say Kevin, maybe at the end of the following week at the earliest." Rivers also said he'll limit the time for _Paul Pierce_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=662) and _Ray Allen_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=9) , who each played 45 minutes on Sunday. "Somebody else has to step up and the challenge for me is not doing what I did [Sunday] with Paul and Ray, that can't happen," Rivers said. "Obviously, that was a different circumstance because the injuries happened during the game or right before the game. It's tough to plan for but I still want to keep their minutes down, even in a time of crisis I want to keep their minutes down. We just have to find a way to win games." Only 10 players dressed for Monday's practice, with Ray Allen and Pierce getting excused after 30 minutes. "This is a growth period for our basketball team," Rivers said. "Clearly, we want to win the games but we have an opportunity to grow our team in this little stretch and get them closer together and get them all understanding how hard the work is going to be to win a title. In the long run, I think this might make us a better team." Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Tue Mar 10 14:26:14 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (wayoftheray at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 07:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: A Lottery Pick: The Celtics May Be Able To Purchase One Message-ID: <43190.81790.qm@web110111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, rumors are already rife, with the poor economic situation, many clubs losing money/contemplating moving to a different city, and a very top heavy draft, that there will be Lottery Picks available for sale. The cost: A future first round pick, 3 million dollars and a young, limited salary -- Bill Walker -- prospect. For the Celtics, although Blake Griffen, James Harden (though he would make a nice Ray Allen replacement) and Hasheem Thabeet are out of the equation, they may have the perfect opportunity to acquire someone like Georgetown's Greg Monroe, Ohio State's B.J. Mullens, Louisville's Earl Clark, the top scorer in the NCAA Stephen Curry (great off the Celtics bench), Duke's Gerald Henderson, or Kentucky's Patrick Patterson (Davis or Powe replacement). Ray From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Tue Mar 10 21:05:44 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 14:05:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Off Topic: Despite Lakers' record, Tex Winter is concerned Message-ID: <813716.43874.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Seeing as it is sooooo quiet on this list, here is some good news that will help take the spotlight off our mounting injury list and trying to catch up with the Cavaliers win record. This article outlines the Lakers' tough schedule ahead and, as mentioned on this list previously, more games on the road than at home to end their season. Also, how bout that foul on Rudy Fernandez by Trevor Ariza? It makes Big Baby's Flagrant foul look like a love tap :) As for the next few games without 5 of our rotation players, it will be very interesting to see how Stephon responds and also the rookies (hopefully they will be given a good amount of court time). From: http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/lakers/la-sp-lakers-fyi10-2009mar10,0,1329149.story Despite Lakers' record, Tex Winter is concerned The Lakers consultant says they haven't played as well as their NBA-best record would indicate -- and they then prove his point by getting blown out in Portland. By Broderick Turner March 10, 2009 Reporting from Portland, Ore. -- Tex Winter paused to gather his thoughts before offering his analysis of how the Lakers are playing. Winter, the Lakers' basketball consultant, had come to watch them play the Portland Trail Blazers on Monday night, to see for himself in what direction they were headed. The Lakers came in with the best record in the NBA, 50-12, but Winter still saw troubling signs. And that was before the Trail Blazers routed them, 111-94. "I feel like our record is a whole lot better than how we've played," Winter, who lives in Portland with his wife, Nancy, said before the game. "I don't think we're playing nearly as good as our record indicates." The Lakers won their first seven games and 14 of their first 15. They have yet to lose more than two consecutive games. But they are in the midst of playing 10 of 13 games on the road, including at Houston on Wednesday and San Antonio on Thursday. In Winter's eyes, the first three months of the season, which had the Lakers playing 29 of their first 46 games at Staples Center, has the potential to hurt the team because the schedule is so back-loaded with road games. "I'm amazed at the record we've got," Winter said. "I see a lot of warts on this team. I think we got off to a good start. I think our schedule is going to get tougher." Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From BDodgers at aol.com Wed Mar 11 18:26:31 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:26:31 EDT Subject: Steve Aschburner > INSIDE THE NBA Message-ID: Steve Aschburner > INSIDE THE NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/steve_aschburner/archive/) The aging of the NBA's prodigies Story Highlights Will the NBA's preps-to-pros stars suffer on the back end of their careers? Players such as Kobe, LeBron and KG have put on a lot of mileage at a young age It's hard to project these career arcs because this is essentially new ground The talk around the office water cooler has been especially grim lately as the realization hits home that, beyond just money, what so many of us are losing in this economic strife is time. Time, as in seeing your 401(k) dialed back to 1997 levels. Time, as in losing a decade's worth of presumed equity in your home. Time, as in the 40 hours each week that soon might be freed up by your downsizing employer (no more water cooler then, either). Not that this is going to soothe your pain any, but imagine now a trio of cubicle dwellers joining your little gloom squad. Their green-and-white, wine-and-gold and Forum blue-and-gold garb is definitely business casual, but they are facing a significant time-warping of their own: the possible loss of several years from the back ends of their careers. It's a very different sort of problem from yours or mine. Instead of having to work longer before retirement, a cluster of NBA stars might arrive there sooner than they or anyone else expected. The issue: Did the players who turned pro directly out of high school from 1995-2005 help themselves to four extra NBA seasons, or did they simply start drawing down early from a finite account of available minutes? In other words, did _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3007) , _LeBron James_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3704) , _Kobe Bryant_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3118) and the others who entered the league as teenagers just time-shift several years onto the front end of their careers that now won't be there at the back end? There is mounting evidence to suggest that's the case: ? Garnett has been out since Feb. 22 with a muscle strain in his right knee. That makes this consecutive seasons interrupted by a midseason injury break (he sat out nine in a row last winter with a strained abdomen) for a guy who missed a total of 13 games across his first 10 seasons. Recently, Garnett joined _Hakeem Olajuwon_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/250) as the only two players ranked in the top 40 in points, rebounds, steals and blocked shots, but he is well beyond that in minutes -- No. 26 in NBA/ABA history at 39,569. That's more than Charles Barkley, Jerry West, Nate Thurmond, Larry Bird, _David Robinson_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/288) , Elgin Baylor -- and _Shaquille O'Neal_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/847/index.html) , who at 37 is four years older than Garnett. In Boston's second game this season, Garnett became the youngest player to participate in 1,000 NBA games, reaching that threshold at 32 years, 165 days. Obviously, had he spent a couple of years at Michigan (his college program of choice, had he gone), Garnett would have been at least 34 (and 165 days) by the time he clocked quadruple figures in appearances. ? Bryant was a hoops prodigy -- the youngest player in NBA history when he made his Lakers debut in 1996, the league's youngest All-Star the following season and so on -- but prodigies are guaranteed nothing in terms of longevity; just ask Mozart. Bryant, 30, ranks only 74th on the all-time minutes list (33,855 through Tuesday), but he jumps several spots if you factor in postseason use (another 5,947, more than Elvin Hayes, Moses Malone and _Reggie Miller_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/231) and double Garnett's playoff total). Here's another way to gauge Bryant's mileage: _Michael Jordan_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3464) played 930 regular-season games for the _Chicago Bulls_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/bulls) , from November 1984 to April 1998. Bryant, when he steps on the floor Wednesday night in Houston, will be making his 930th regular-season appearance for the Lakers. ? _Tracy McGrady_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3179) and _Jermaine O'Neal_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3120/index.html) aren't scaling the heights of the minutes list -- McGrady (27,462) has played fewer than _Clarence Weatherspoon_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/863) (27,735) -- but then, that's the point. Both guys have battled numerous injuries, especially in recent years, and are viewed by many as players in decline. McGrady, 29, who arrived in 1997 out of Mount Zion Christian Academy in Durham, N.C, will have missed 128 of his teams' last 492 games by the end of this season (he's done for 2008-09 after microfracture knee surgery). O'Neal, seven months older, was drafted out of his South Carolina high school in 1996. He played light minutes warehoused on Portland's bench for four seasons, but logged light minutes again the past four seasons, averaging 51.5 appearances due to injuries. This season, if he finishes healthy, he'll max out at 71 games. ? _Dwight Howard_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3818) 's fans better hope he is, indeed, a man of steel. By the time the Orlando center turned 23 on Dec. 8, he had logged 12,590 NBA minutes. By comparison, Shaq had played fewer than 9,000 by that birthday. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar turned 23 at the end of his rookie year, after playing 3,534 minutes for Milwaukee. Olajuwon was only halfway through his first NBA season when he turned 23, and _Patrick Ewing_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/106) , Robert Parish and Wilt Chamberlain weren't even in the league yet. Howard (14,003) already has played more than Ralph Sampson (13,591) did in his injury-hobbled career. ? James is a tender 24 and physically still is transforming, if not actually growing. But he already has 18,411 on his odometer, a big number even if they're mostly highway miles. The Cleveland forward has been around long enough, playing at such a high level -- five All-Star selections, perhaps a first MVP award this season, a career average of 40.6 minutes that ranks fifth in league history -- that it's fair to wonder if he's still trending up. Or if we've already seen the best of him. James' age would suggest the former, but his games log could argue the latter. Oscar Robertson, another do-everything, statistical marvel, turned 22 early in his rookie NBA season; James turned 19 early in his. Through six seasons, Robertson was averaging a triple double: 30.4 points, 10.7 assists and 10.0 rebounds (actually 9.95, rounding up) in 460 games, based on totals of 13,998 points, 9,887 assists and 4,579 rebounds. James, with 22 games left in his sixth NBA season, is at 12,396 points (27.5), 2,989 assists (6.6) and 3,135 rebounds (7.0). The point, though, isn't to compare their totals or their averages. The point is to gauge where each was (or is) at, at a similar stage of his career. Robertson, through six seasons, had played 44.2 percent of his eventual 1,040 regular-season games, but he already had scored 52.4 percent of his points, dished 49.8 percent of his assists and grabbed 58.7 percent of his rebounds. His final eight seasons -- which included four years as Abdul-Jabbar's sidekick and Robertson's lone NBA championship -- were less productive (though still good enough for six All-Star trips). He averaged 21.9 points, 8.6 assists and 5.6 rebounds, worthy of a max-salary contract today but still a decline across the board personally. It's just enough statistical evidence to call into question those who automatically say, "Wait 'til LeBron hits his peak at age 27 or 28.'' Maybe James' peak is now, shifted earlier by his hastened ... well, his hastened everything. The Cavs' superstar got to the NBA quicker than legends of the past, developed more rapidly, learned to dominate individually sooner, figured out how to prod older teammates and found ways to win games at an earlier age than so many of his predecessors. But he also has endured more wear and tear, put in longer hours, flown more airline miles, embraced more off-court opportunities-slash-distractions and, for a few years when he might have been strolling across campus for a psychology mid-term, he was picking himself off floors in Milwaukee, Denver and Indianapolis. "He might have as much mileage on him [by age 30] as an '82 Volvo by then,'' Wizards coach Ed Tapscott said. Modern training techniques, better nutrition and today's lavish salaries (no offseason jobs necessary, a platoon of masseurs, trainers and skill coaches at the ready) suggest that players ought to be capable of sustaining longer careers. Robertson was done at 35, same as West, Earl Monroe and Walt Frazier. John Havlicek broke some sort of barrier for wing players, lasting right up to his 38th birthday. The Pacers' Miller averaged 14.8 points, only 3.5 off his career average to that point, at age 39. Jordan turned 40 when he averaged 20.0 with Washington in 2002-03 (after, admittedly, nearly five seasons off in two stints for premature "retirements''). For now, it's hard to know what the end results will be for the preps-to-pros players; their sample size is small and we haven't seen their end games. It's like holding off on Lasik surgery because we haven't seen enough septuagenarians come through that particular pipeline yet. Malone, who started in the ABA without benefit of college, stuck around for all or parts of 21 seasons. But Darryl Dawkins and Bill Willoughby, the other pre-Garnett pioneers, flamed out too quickly to matter. Said Tapscott, a longtime NBA personnel executive before taking over for Eddie Jordan as Wizards coach: "I don't think we've had enough generations of young guys go through to say, 'These guys have managed to add four years to their careers' or, 'These guys will find themselves debilitated by early injuries.' '' So in lieu of answers, we're left with questions: Will the NBA's precocious ones wind up with supersized r?sum?s, challenging all sorts of records for career this and lifetime that? Or is pro basketball activity somehow fixed, like -- some baseball scouts would contend -- the available pitches in a starting hurler's arm? If that's the case, starting sooner might invariably lead to finishing sooner, at least as an impact player. We do know that several of the players at least talk about feeling old beyond their years. Garnett, though he used to glare at his Timberwolves coaches for yanking him to the bench for rest, would admit quietly how ground down he'd get even in his late 20s. His statistical drop-off since joining the Celtics is largely by design, sure, but also a function of his mileage. Bryant makes frequent references to his elder status, from shooting down queries about the slam dunk contest to his availability as an old guy for the 2012 Olympics. McGrady told SI.com's Ian Thomsen that he wasn't a spring chicken anymore -- back in November 2006. "I feel like the last few years, my game has diminished a little bit,'' T-Mac said then. "I don't know if it's because I'm older, because of the injuries or what, but I feel that I'm a step slower.'' It's all just enough to make you wonder what the Brooklyn era of James' career -- or the next Cleveland phase, however the chips fall in 2010 -- really will be like. And whether, when the time comes, we'll know where the time went. Steve Aschburner covered the Minnesota Timberwolves and the NBA for 13 seasons for the Minneapolis Star Tribune. He has served as president or vice president of the Professional Basketball Writers Association since 2005. **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) From jozersky at optonline.net Thu Mar 12 05:46:42 2009 From: jozersky at optonline.net (Josh Ozersky) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 00:46:42 -0500 Subject: Onion: Stephon Marbury Embroils Celtics' Big 3 In Elaborate Shakespearean Intrigue Message-ID: <000801c9a2d5$ec26a860$118fbc18@your4f1261a8e5> http://www.theonion.com/content/news/stephon_marbury_embroils_celtics?utm_source=a-section From troynsusiehash at alltel.net Fri Mar 13 03:32:52 2009 From: troynsusiehash at alltel.net (Troy Hash) Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 23:32:52 -0400 Subject: List down? Message-ID: <000101c9a38c$642bf0c0$6401a8c0@troyscomputer> I haven't gotten any emails in 2-3 days. Problems? Or is it me? Troy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 3/11/2009 8:42 PM From roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com Fri Mar 13 04:24:00 2009 From: roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com (Belanger, Roger) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:24:00 -0400 Subject: List down? Message-ID: <37451F909D962F4684FE4127C64208A8796E08@invsfoxxchpub01> Nope, just think it's slow. Or maybe the list is on the IR list, what the heck, the rest of the team is :-). roger belanger -----Original Message----- From: Troy Hash Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:31 PM To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' Subject: List down? I haven't gotten any emails in 2-3 days. Problems? Or is it me? Troy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. 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This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). From douglas342 at aol.com Fri Mar 13 04:49:42 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 00:49:42 -0400 Subject: List down? In-Reply-To: <37451F909D962F4684FE4127C64208A8796E08@invsfoxxchpub01> References: <37451F909D962F4684FE4127C64208A8796E08@invsfoxxchpub01> Message-ID: <8CB71AE421CBEF8-568-1C78@WEBMAIL-DY17.sysops.aol.com> Well, OK. As a B list member, I'm interested in the reaction to Marbury after 4 or 5 games. He has scored 8 points, and all those in one game? Anyone encouraged? Discouraged? Too soon to tell? -----Original Message----- From: Belanger, Roger To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 9:24 pm Subject: RE: List down? Nope, just think it's slow. 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This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From eggcentric at aol.com Fri Mar 13 13:32:52 2009 From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric at aol.com) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:32:52 -0400 Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs Message-ID: <8CB71F7581FE034-17A8-303C@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> If history tells us anything, home court advantage means everything in the playoffs. We can?t lose to the Cavs in Boston, but we can?t seem to beat them in Cleveland. Ouch!?? We are presently one win behind the Cavs in the win column and a more important three losses more than them in the loss column. We are also three wins behind the Fakers in the win column and three? losses more than them in the loss column.? Not good. The recent absense of Garnett and Rondo have proven our bench to be what many pundits thought it was ...razor thin,?? But then we all knew that once we traded our future away (Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, several draft picks, and future cap space) to produce the aging BIG THREE that we had a 1-3 year window of opportunity. That now appears to be confined to a one year window after Venus finally alligned with Mars and Lucky for a perfect storm 2008 Championship season.? Subsequently, our free agent signings have been dreadful. Gambling on the upside of useless O?Bryant over Chris Andersen (who eventually signed with Denver for one year at under $1 million) and the useless Cassell (to appease Garnett), assuming the trio of Tony Allen/Eddie House/Gabe Pruitt could replace Posey and that Powe/Big Baby/Scal were an answer to our bench bigs ... yup, they were all terrible decisions by Danny Ainge. Meanwhile, in this down economy/stock market/real estate market, Venture Capitalists Wyc et al have lost their arms, legs, and now their hearts and pocketbooks But they will always have Paris, and so will we (The 2008 Championship). Was it all worth it for years to come?? The debate lives on. Egg From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Fri Mar 13 14:23:07 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 10:23:07 -0400 Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs In-Reply-To: <8CB71F7581FE034-17A8-303C@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB71F7581FE034-17A8-303C@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200903131423.n2DENCQ8001340@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> Obviously the rumors of Egg's demise were greatly exaggerated. As the Rolling Stones so eloquently stated, you can't always git whatchoo want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get whatchoo need. Given the long history of the Celtics, with a tradition of winning, I would argue that even one championship after the franchise's longest drought was the necessary panacea for an ailing fan base. We all want to win every year, but fan hunger is much more satisfyingly sated not by winning the gold every season, but by being 1) in the hunt, which the Celtics were not for those long (decades was it - see I even forget myself) years. And 2) lofting the trophy at the very least periodically. Now I know that feelings are funny things - we all experience them differently. I'm probably in the minority here, but a fait accompli season of a runaway juggernaut never facing defeat nor test doesn't hold the same grasp upon me as a fan. The satisfaction isn't as whole in it's inevitable conclusion. I watched last year's playoffs from the dust and dirt of a morale tent at 0300 in the morning. Would I have done that if I had been sure they were going to walk away with every win? No, it was stupid enough as it was losing that much sleep doing what I was in Iraq. Yet the elation I felt when the Cs humiliated the Lakers in Game 6 was much more than the Patriots repeat season where everyone knew the Eagles were a paltry and already defeated foe. Sometimes it is the method and means that are much greater than the ends. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric at aol.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:33 AM To: Celtics at igtc.com Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs If history tells us anything, home court advantage means everything in the playoffs. We can?t lose to the Cavs in Boston, but we can?t seem to beat them in Cleveland. Ouch!?? We are presently one win behind the Cavs in the win column and a more important three losses more than them in the loss column. We are also three wins behind the Fakers in the win column and three? losses more than them in the loss column.? Not good. The recent absense of Garnett and Rondo have proven our bench to be what many pundits thought it was ...razor thin,?? But then we all knew that once we traded our future away (Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, several draft picks, and future cap space) to produce the aging BIG THREE that we had a 1-3 year window of opportunity. That now appears to be confined to a one year window after Venus finally alligned with Mars and Lucky for a perfect storm 2008 Championship season.? Subsequently, our free agent signings have been dreadful. Gambling on the upside of useless O?Bryant over Chris Andersen (who eventually signed with Denver for one year at under $1 million) and the useless Cassell (to appease Garnett), assuming the trio of Tony Allen/Eddie House/Gabe Pruitt could replace Posey and that Powe/Big Baby/Scal were an answer to our bench bigs ... yup, they were all terrible decisions by Danny Ainge. Meanwhile, in this down economy/stock market/real estate market, Venture Capitalists Wyc et al have lost their arms, legs, and now their hearts and pocketbooks But they will always have Paris, and so will we (The 2008 Championship). Was it all worth it for years to come?? The debate lives on. Egg _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 14:24:44 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 07:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs In-Reply-To: <8CB71F7581FE034-17A8-303C@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <425494.85911.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Egg,? Welcome back.? "Reports of demise . . . "? I agree that the bench does not compare to last years' and yet I'm not too worried about losing home court advantage.? We took the Lakers last year in LA; we'll take one of the first two in Cleveland and all will be well.? Our bench may come together, but our starters are better than last year, and Cleveland still depends on one superstar and a bunch of? scrubs.? Cheers, Gene --- On Fri, 3/13/09, eggcentric at aol.com wrote: From: eggcentric at aol.com Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs To: Celtics at IGTC.com Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 8:32 AM If history tells us anything, home court advantage means everything in the playoffs. We can?t lose to the Cavs in Boston, but we can?t seem to beat them in Cleveland. Ouch!?? We are presently one win behind the Cavs in the win column and a more important three losses more than them in the loss column. We are also three wins behind the Fakers in the win column and three? losses more than them in the loss column.? Not good. The recent absense of Garnett and Rondo have proven our bench to be what many pundits thought it was ...razor thin,?? But then we all knew that once we traded our future away (Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, several draft picks, and future cap space) to produce the aging BIG THREE that we had a 1-3 year window of opportunity. That now appears to be confined to a one year window after Venus finally alligned with Mars and Lucky for a perfect storm 2008 Championship season.? Subsequently, our free agent signings have been dreadful. Gambling on the upside of useless O?Bryant over Chris Andersen (who eventually signed with Denver for one year at under $1 million) and the useless Cassell (to appease Garnett), assuming the trio of Tony Allen/Eddie House/Gabe Pruitt could replace Posey and that Powe/Big Baby/Scal were an answer to our bench bigs ... yup, they were all terrible decisions by Danny Ainge. Meanwhile, in this down economy/stock market/real estate market, Venture Capitalists Wyc et al have lost their arms, legs, and now their hearts and pocketbooks But they will always have Paris, and so will we (The 2008 Championship). Was it all worth it for years to come?? The debate lives on. Egg _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From alex.goldblatt at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 15:10:30 2009 From: alex.goldblatt at gmail.com (Alex Goldblatt) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:10:30 -0400 Subject: Onion: Stephon Marbury Embroils Celtics' Big 3 In Elaborate Shakespearean Intrigue In-Reply-To: <000801c9a2d5$ec26a860$118fbc18@your4f1261a8e5> References: <000801c9a2d5$ec26a860$118fbc18@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <3f0c87180903130810o23d522dr5c6aa6bfd4371c4c@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Josh, looks very bad.. Never been high on him, looks like he's running out of time. I think Danny screwed up with both FAs he signed this time. IMO it will hunt us down in the playoffs, I actually feel much better watching Walker getting his minutes than Marb starting and screwing up everything yet another time. AG On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Josh Ozersky wrote: > > http://www.theonion.com/content/news/stephon_marbury_embroils_celtics?utm_source=a-section > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From pdbauer at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 15:31:42 2009 From: pdbauer at yahoo.com (Paul Bauer) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 08:31:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Onion: Stephon Marbury Embroils Celtics' Big 3 In Elaborate Shakespearean Intrigue In-Reply-To: <3f0c87180903130810o23d522dr5c6aa6bfd4371c4c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <198869.64378.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I think that was meant to be satire...not fact --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Alex Goldblatt wrote: From: Alex Goldblatt Subject: Re: Onion: Stephon Marbury Embroils Celtics' Big 3 In Elaborate Shakespearean Intrigue To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:10 AM Thanks Josh, looks very bad.. Never been high on him, looks like he's running out of time. I think Danny screwed up with both FAs he signed this time. IMO it will hunt us down in the playoffs, I actually feel much better watching Walker getting his minutes than Marb starting and screwing up everything yet another time. AG On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Josh Ozersky wrote: > > http://www.theonion.com/content/news/stephon_marbury_embroils_celtics?utm_source=a-section > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From noah.evans at gmail.com Fri Mar 13 15:52:40 2009 From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 00:52:40 +0900 Subject: Onion: Stephon Marbury Embroils Celtics' Big 3 In Elaborate Shakespearean Intrigue In-Reply-To: <198869.64378.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <3f0c87180903130810o23d522dr5c6aa6bfd4371c4c@mail.gmail.com> <198869.64378.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56a297000903130852u2fbf95c7lfbfc2dc11e2347f2@mail.gmail.com> I wish it were fact(Marbury talking in couplets, not torpedoing the celtics). That is my second favorite Onion article behind "Student trudges slack-jawed past wonders of the ancient world"(http://www.theonion.com/content/node/29469). On Sat, Mar 14, 2009 at 12:31 AM, Paul Bauer wrote: > I think that was meant to be satire...not fact > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Alex Goldblatt wrote: > > From: Alex Goldblatt > Subject: Re: Onion: Stephon Marbury Embroils Celtics' Big 3 In Elaborate Shakespearean Intrigue > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:10 AM > > Thanks Josh, looks very bad.. Never been high on him, looks like he's > running out of time. > > I think Danny screwed up with both FAs he signed this time. IMO it will hunt > us down in the playoffs, I actually feel much better watching Walker getting > his minutes than Marb starting and screwing up everything yet another time. > > AG > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Josh Ozersky > wrote: > >> >> > http://www.theonion.com/content/news/stephon_marbury_embroils_celtics?utm_source=a-section >> _______________________________________________ >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> celtics at igtc.com >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >> > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From hartleyo at bellsouth.net Fri Mar 13 16:03:45 2009 From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net (hartleyo at bellsouth.net) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:03:45 -0400 Subject: Onion: Stephon Marbury Embroils Celtics' Big 3 In ElaborateShakespearean Intrigue References: <198869.64378.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2A0D8B18F4204BD1A808E546F0512CA8@D2F52Z11> You are absolutely correct. It is satirical reporting and is all made up. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Bauer" To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:31 AM Subject: Re: Onion: Stephon Marbury Embroils Celtics' Big 3 In ElaborateShakespearean Intrigue >I think that was meant to be satire...not fact > > --- On Fri, 3/13/09, Alex Goldblatt wrote: > > From: Alex Goldblatt > Subject: Re: Onion: Stephon Marbury Embroils Celtics' Big 3 In Elaborate > Shakespearean Intrigue > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 11:10 AM > > Thanks Josh, looks very bad.. Never been high on him, looks like he's > running out of time. > > I think Danny screwed up with both FAs he signed this time. IMO it will > hunt > us down in the playoffs, I actually feel much better watching Walker > getting > his minutes than Marb starting and screwing up everything yet another > time. > > AG > > On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 1:46 AM, Josh Ozersky > wrote: > >> >> > http://www.theonion.com/content/news/stephon_marbury_embroils_celtics?utm_source=a-section >> _______________________________________________ >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> celtics at igtc.com >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >> > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From martind42 at cox.net Fri Mar 13 16:33:15 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:33:15 -0400 Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs In-Reply-To: <200903131423.n2DENCQ8001340@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> Message-ID: <20090313123315.7UO3I.30313.imail@eastrmwml30> I am satisified with 1 championship, if that's all we end up out of this. For me, it was well worth it after twenty years of less than mediocrity. Besides, we are still competitive and have the talent to win another. ---- Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: > Obviously the rumors of Egg's demise were greatly exaggerated. > > As the Rolling Stones so eloquently stated, you can't always git whatchoo want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get whatchoo need. Given the long history of the Celtics, with a tradition of winning, I would argue that even one championship after the franchise's longest drought was the necessary panacea for an ailing fan base. > > We all want to win every year, but fan hunger is much more satisfyingly sated not by winning the gold every season, but by being 1) in the hunt, which the Celtics were not for those long (decades was it - see I even forget myself) years. And 2) lofting the trophy at the very least periodically. > > Now I know that feelings are funny things - we all experience them differently. I'm probably in the minority here, but a fait accompli season of a runaway juggernaut never facing defeat nor test doesn't hold the same grasp upon me as a fan. The satisfaction isn't as whole in it's inevitable conclusion. I watched last year's playoffs from the dust and dirt of a morale tent at 0300 in the morning. Would I have done that if I had been sure they were going to walk away with every win? No, it was stupid enough as it was losing that much sleep doing what I was in Iraq. Yet the elation I felt when the Cs humiliated the Lakers in Game 6 was much more than the Patriots repeat season where everyone knew the Eagles were a paltry and already defeated foe. > > Sometimes it is the method and means that are much greater than the ends. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of eggcentric at aol.com > Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:33 AM > To: Celtics at igtc.com > Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs > > If history tells us anything, home court advantage means everything > in the playoffs. We can?t lose to the Cavs in Boston, but we can?t seem to > beat them in Cleveland. > > Ouch!?? We are presently one win behind the Cavs in the win column and > a more important three losses more than them in the loss column. > We are also three wins behind the Fakers in the win column and three? > losses more than them in the loss column.? Not good. > > The recent absense of Garnett and Rondo have proven our bench to be > what many pundits thought it was ...razor thin,?? But then we all knew that > once we traded our future away (Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, several draft picks, > and future cap space) to produce the aging BIG THREE that we had a > 1-3 year window of opportunity. That now appears to be confined to a one year > window after Venus finally alligned with Mars and Lucky for a perfect storm > 2008 Championship season.? > > Subsequently, our free agent signings have been dreadful. Gambling on > the upside of useless O?Bryant over Chris Andersen (who eventually signed > with Denver for one year at under $1 million) and the useless Cassell (to > appease Garnett), assuming the trio of Tony Allen/Eddie House/Gabe Pruitt > could replace Posey and that Powe/Big Baby/Scal were an answer to our > bench bigs ... yup, they were all terrible decisions by Danny Ainge. > > Meanwhile, in this down economy/stock market/real estate market, > Venture Capitalists Wyc et al have lost their > arms, legs, and now their > hearts and pocketbooks > > But they will always have Paris, and so will we (The 2008 Championship). > > Was it all worth it for years to come?? The debate lives on. > > Egg > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 16:37:40 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:37:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: List down? In-Reply-To: <8CB71AE421CBEF8-568-1C78@WEBMAIL-DY17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <254013.23559.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Too soon to tell anything. He obviously doesn't have his legs and he needs those to penetrate and hit his floater or take it strong to the rim. He's been doing none of that and his entire offensive game is predicated on getting to the rim. That will come around and he'll be a different player. On the positive side, he's already the 2nd best point on the team, even when he doesn't know the plays and isn't in NBA-shape. That's nice. On a personal note, I went to this past weekend's games and Marbury's shot in warmups was WAY OFF. I mean, WAY WAY OFF. No balance, no lift, he was letting the ball go as he was coming down and not at the apex of his jump, and he was falling to the left or the right on the follow through. Almost everything that could go wrong was going wrong. That's the rust everyone's talking about. I assume he gets rid of it in a week or two. I'm not worried at all. We're taking a hit with this flood of injuries, but once Rondo and later KG get back, I see us rebuilding the necessary defensive chemistry to get back to the level we were at previously, integrating Marbury and Moore along the way. If Doc keeps his wits about him, he might even find a surprise in Bill Walker, who should have been playing since the All-Star break (after TA went down). Every trip up the mountain is going to be different and I'm not going to be one of those short-sighted, worrywarts who starts complaining when this trip up the mountain begins to look different from the previous one. Home court was important last season. This season, it's not as important. Ryan --- On Thu, 3/12/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: List down? > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:49 PM > Well, OK. As a B list member, I'm interested in the > reaction to Marbury after 4 or 5 games. He has scored 8 > points, and all those in one game? Anyone encouraged? > Discouraged? Too soon to tell? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Belanger, Roger > > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 9:24 pm > Subject: RE: List down? > > > > Nope, just think it's slow. Or maybe the list is on the > IR list, what the heck, > the rest of the team is :-). > > roger belanger > > -----Original Message----- > From: Troy Hash > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:31 PM > To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' > > Subject: List down? > > > I haven't gotten any emails in 2-3 days. Problems? Or > is it me? Troy > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release > Date: 3/11/2009 > 8:42 PM > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > ** Confidentiality Notice: > This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is > intended solely for > the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This > e-mail is confidential > and may well also be legally privileged. If you have > received it in error, you > are on notice of its status. 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This e-mail and any > attachments thereto may be > subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys > (and/or its subsidiaries > and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries > and affiliates). > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 16:49:35 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: losing ground to the Cavs Message-ID: <529397.63918.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Plus, the bench includes Powe and Davis, who have both enhanced their scoring prowess.? With Marbury as distributor, they should get sufficient one-on-one opportunities.? Add Moore with the jumper and the bench should be ok.? My problem with them has been scoring, and I think they're much better off than mid-season on that point.? We'll see; the next four weeks will be very important for their integration.? I think Doc's patience pays off; his over-use of Pierce and Allen might not. Nice to see the Heat's Beasley making comments about our Walker.? I'm really looking forward to next year's team.? Cheers, Gene From martind42 at cox.net Fri Mar 13 17:33:01 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 13:33:01 -0400 Subject: List down? In-Reply-To: <254013.23559.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090313133301.3SFM0.31125.imail@eastrmwml30> Timing is everything. Marbury hasn't played at an NBA level in over a year. It's going to take the rest of the season to get him in game shape. At least his instincts are good, and you can tell by his play that he is a legitimate pg, albeit a rusty one. ---- Ryan W wrote: > > Too soon to tell anything. He obviously doesn't have his legs and he needs those to penetrate and hit his floater or take it strong to the rim. He's been doing none of that and his entire offensive game is predicated on getting to the rim. That will come around and he'll be a different player. > > On the positive side, he's already the 2nd best point on the team, even when he doesn't know the plays and isn't in NBA-shape. That's nice. > > On a personal note, I went to this past weekend's games and Marbury's shot in warmups was WAY OFF. I mean, WAY WAY OFF. No balance, no lift, he was letting the ball go as he was coming down and not at the apex of his jump, and he was falling to the left or the right on the follow through. Almost everything that could go wrong was going wrong. That's the rust everyone's talking about. I assume he gets rid of it in a week or two. I'm not worried at all. > > We're taking a hit with this flood of injuries, but once Rondo and later KG get back, I see us rebuilding the necessary defensive chemistry to get back to the level we were at previously, integrating Marbury and Moore along the way. If Doc keeps his wits about him, he might even find a surprise in Bill Walker, who should have been playing since the All-Star break (after TA went down). > > Every trip up the mountain is going to be different and I'm not going to be one of those short-sighted, worrywarts who starts complaining when this trip up the mountain begins to look different from the previous one. Home court was important last season. This season, it's not as important. > > Ryan > > --- On Thu, 3/12/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > > > From: douglas342 at aol.com > > Subject: Re: List down? > > To: celtics at igtc.com > > Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 11:49 PM > > Well, OK. As a B list member, I'm interested in the > > reaction to Marbury after 4 or 5 games. He has scored 8 > > points, and all those in one game? Anyone encouraged? > > Discouraged? Too soon to tell? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Belanger, Roger > > > > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > > > Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 9:24 pm > > Subject: RE: List down? > > > > > > > > Nope, just think it's slow. Or maybe the list is on the > > IR list, what the heck, > > the rest of the team is :-). > > > > roger belanger > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Troy Hash > > Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:31 PM > > To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' > > > > Subject: List down? > > > > > > I haven't gotten any emails in 2-3 days. Problems? Or > > is it me? Troy > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release > > Date: 3/11/2009 > > 8:42 PM > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > > ** Confidentiality Notice: > > This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is > > intended solely for > > the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This > > e-mail is confidential > > and may well also be legally privileged. If you have > > received it in error, you > > are on notice of its status. 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This e-mail and any > > attachments thereto may be > > subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys > > (and/or its subsidiaries > > and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries > > and affiliates). > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Fri Mar 13 18:13:44 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 11:13:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: losing ground to the Cavs In-Reply-To: <529397.63918.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <880100.12360.qm@web63102.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I love Bill Walker!? I've followed him since he and Mayo were being written about as jr high kids, and still can't believe we got him for a small pile of cash.? I'm glad he's getting to play and show off some defense.?? I wish the PGs would give him some alleyoops on offense.? I loved the quotes from Leon saying how proud he was of Walker pushing Jermaine O'Neal around when he caught emergency PF duty the other night.?? The kid is going to be a big part of the Cs future. Yes, we have a small window with the current big 3,? but Rondo will be around for awhile, and as we have seen, he's the biggest difference maker.?? The #1 thing Danny accomplished with the overhaul was to make the Celtics a destination for NBA players.? That was HUGE!!? and will help the team stay competitive long after the big 3 have retired. Ellie --- On Fri, 3/13/09, gene kirkpatrick wrote: From: gene kirkpatrick Subject: re: losing ground to the Cavs To: "celtics" Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 12:49 PM Plus, the bench includes Powe and Davis, who have both enhanced their scoring prowess.? With Marbury as distributor, they should get sufficient one-on-one opportunities.? Add Moore with the jumper and the bench should be ok.? My problem with them has been scoring, and I think they're much better off than mid-season on that point.? We'll see; the next four weeks will be very important for their integration.? I think Doc's patience pays off; his over-use of Pierce and Allen might not. Nice to see the Heat's Beasley making comments about our Walker.? I'm really looking forward to next year's team.? Cheers, Gene _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From sudeshprasad at sbcglobal.net Sat Mar 14 02:12:18 2009 From: sudeshprasad at sbcglobal.net (Sudesh Prasad) Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 19:12:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: List down? Message-ID: <651053.8171.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> I'm a newbie, too...Hi everybody! I'd like to think that Star'll have the rust knocked off by playoff time... He better! Sudesh Sent from my iPhone On Mar 12, 2009, at 9:49 PM, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: Well, OK. As a B list member, I'm interested in the reaction to Marbury after 4 or 5 games. He has scored 8 points, and all those in one game? Anyone encouraged? Discouraged? Too soon to tell? -----Original Message----- From: Belanger, Roger To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Thu, 12 Mar 2009 9:24 pm Subject: RE: List down? Nope, just think it's slow. Or maybe the list is on the IR list, what the heck, the rest of the team is :-). roger belanger -----Original Message----- From: Troy Hash Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 11:31 PM To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' Subject: List down? I haven't gotten any emails in 2-3 days. Problems? Or is it me? Troy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.10/1996 - Release Date: 3/11/2009 8:42 PM _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. 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Good to see Marbury have some success last night also. I saw him play in the Orlando game on Sunday and, despite 3 turnovers, his movements are very fluent when driving and also distributing the ball. This is from playing in hundreds of games over the years. Marbury is obviously an NBA-level point guard who hopefully has some good basketball ahead of him. However, the most important thing is we have Rondo back; regardless of who the backup point guard is. Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com Sat Mar 14 12:57:10 2009 From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs In-Reply-To: <8CB71F7581FE034-17A8-303C@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB71F7581FE034-17A8-303C@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <707175.2379.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I think it's important to have home court but no one should concede the championship if we don't get it.? The important things for a team with three aging stars is to be solidly healthy going into the playoffs and to have a productive bench.? We're headed in the right direction in that regard even if we are seeded #2 or #3 in the East.? I also think that if?the Celtics?are going to be successful repeating, it helps if the team develops somewhat of an "us against the world" mindset. Mental toughness in the playoffs is an underated quality that I think this team will possess more of than anyone else come playoff time.? Welcome back Egg.? Believe it or not your cold blasts of?pessimism?add a certain texture that has been lacking here of late.? ________________________________ From: "eggcentric at aol.com" To: Celtics at IGTC.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:32:52 AM Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs If history tells us anything, home court advantage means everything in the playoffs. We can?t lose to the Cavs in Boston, but we can?t seem to beat them in Cleveland. Ouch!?? We are presently one win behind the Cavs in the win column and a more important three losses more than them in the loss column. We are also three wins behind the Fakers in the win column and three? losses more than them in the loss column.? Not good. The recent absense of Garnett and Rondo have proven our bench to be what many pundits thought it was ...razor thin,?? But then we all knew that once we traded our future away (Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, several draft picks, and future cap space) to produce the aging BIG THREE that we had a 1-3 year window of opportunity. That now appears to be confined to a one year window after Venus finally alligned with Mars and Lucky for a perfect storm 2008 Championship season.? Subsequently, our free agent signings have been dreadful. Gambling on the upside of useless O?Bryant over Chris Andersen (who eventually signed with Denver for one year at under $1 million) and the useless Cassell (to appease Garnett), assuming the trio of Tony Allen/Eddie House/Gabe Pruitt could replace Posey and that Powe/Big Baby/Scal were an answer to our bench bigs ... yup, they were all terrible decisions by Danny Ainge. Meanwhile, in this down economy/stock market/real estate market, Venture Capitalists Wyc et al have lost their arms, legs, and now their hearts and pocketbooks But they will always have Paris, and so will we (The 2008 Championship). Was it all worth it for years to come?? The debate lives on. Egg _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Eggcentric at aol.com Sat Mar 14 18:25:19 2009 From: Eggcentric at aol.com (Eggcentric at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 14:25:19 EDT Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs Message-ID: > Welcome back Egg.? Believe it or not your cold blasts of?pessimism?add > a certain texture that has been lacking here of late.? > -Nasterix How about m'man, WayRay? And of course my favorite 13 yr. old Grandson, L'il Joe Fan11111. Two ain't enough? Sandpaper, chain mail, broken glass? ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2 Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From JoeFan11111 at aol.com Sat Mar 14 19:30:50 2009 From: JoeFan11111 at aol.com (JoeFan11111 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:30:50 EDT Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs Message-ID: Hi Grammy - Hope your trip back from Florida went well. We?ll see you tomorrow. And by the way I?m 14 now as of a month ago. An important difference - just kidding. I think the Celts will repeat again this year and I?m still holding on to first place by a thread in the CeltsStuff fantasy league despite losing my best stat guard Jameer Nelson and my best stst center Bynum. Hoping bynum doesn?t return for the playoffs against us in the finals. It makes me appreciate all the more the importance of injuries to NBA teams including crazy ass Garnett and my favorite Rondo for the good guys. Luv ya, Joey (see you tomorrow) ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) From JoeFan11111 at aol.com Sat Mar 14 19:40:52 2009 From: JoeFan11111 at aol.com (JoeFan11111 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 15:40:52 EDT Subject: Sorry folks Message-ID: I meant my last email to be a personal one, not to the list. Guess I have inherited egg all over my face. Marbury looked a bit better last night. He could still help us in the playoffs. Although I'm still a bit discouraged with Ainge only signing the foul-prone Moore when we have been pretty desperate all year for bench help from centers and big forwards. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! 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The fans in Phoenix and Sacramento and Minnesota and Charlotte and Milwaukee and Clipperland would kill to have what the C's have - a realistic chance. -----Original Message----- From: JoeFan11111 at aol.com To: celtics at igtc.com Sent: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 12:40 pm Subject: Sorry folks I meant my last email to be a personal one, not to the list. Guess I have inherited egg all over my face. Marbury looked a bit better last night. He could still help us in the playoffs. Although I'm still a bit discouraged with Ainge only signing the foul-prone Moore when we have been pretty desperate all year for bench help from centers and big forwards. ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220439616x1201372437/aol?redir= http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DfebemailfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 14:42:56 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:42:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed Message-ID: <532564.93515.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The upcoming Celtics offseason is sure to be one of the more fascinating ones in recent memory. As Good Egg (Welcome Back))) has noted, Celtics ownership during this recent financial crisis has lost a great deal of wealth. So, that could have a large impact on whatever moves the Celtics undertake this summer. Melding in with the monetary difficulties is the gameplan of our favorite Director of Basketball Operations/No. 1 Schemer, Devious Danny Ainge, who would like to add Rasheed Wallace to the team, deal Ray Allen, and perhaps acquire a Lottery Pick to find a young promising talent at PF/SF/SG. One possible scenario, that could be in the making, would be an exit of Davis, a sign and trade of Leon Powe for a draft pick, and then the club would use the fiscal savings to sign Rasheed Wallace to the full MLE. The way I look at, it's the equivalent of dealing Powe and Davis for Rasheed, and who wouldn't do that trade? Ray From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Mon Mar 16 14:57:22 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 10:57:22 -0400 Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed In-Reply-To: <532564.93515.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <532564.93515.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903161457.n2GEvRji003036@ares.afrc.af.mil> So the solution to a team getting older is to...get even older? Could I get some jumbo shrimp or military intelligence to go along with that order? That's like, dare I say, spending your way out of a debt crisis...isn't it? -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Way Of The Ray Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:43 AM To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed The upcoming Celtics offseason is sure to be one of the more fascinating ones in recent memory. As Good Egg (Welcome Back))) has noted, Celtics ownership during this recent financial crisis has lost a great deal of wealth. So, that could have a large impact on whatever moves the Celtics undertake this summer. Melding in with the monetary difficulties is the gameplan of our favorite Director of Basketball Operations/No. 1 Schemer, Devious Danny Ainge, who would like to add Rasheed Wallace to the team, deal Ray Allen, and perhaps acquire a Lottery Pick to find a young promising talent at PF/SF/SG. One possible scenario, that could be in the making, would be an exit of Davis, a sign and trade of Leon Powe for a draft pick, and then the club would use the fiscal savings to sign Rasheed Wallace to the full MLE. The way I look at, it's the equivalent of dealing Powe and Davis for Rasheed, and who wouldn't do that trade? Ray _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 14:57:54 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:57:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed In-Reply-To: <532564.93515.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <631898.6366.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Me. --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Way Of The Ray wrote: From: Way Of The Ray Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed To: "Celtics Stuff" , "Celtics Are Idiots List" Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:42 AM The upcoming Celtics offseason is sure to be one of the more fascinating ones in recent memory. As Good Egg (Welcome Back))) has noted, Celtics ownership during this recent financial crisis has lost a great deal of wealth. So, that could have a large impact on whatever moves the Celtics undertake this summer. Melding in with the monetary difficulties is the gameplan of our favorite Director of Basketball Operations/No. 1 Schemer, Devious Danny Ainge, who would like to add Rasheed Wallace to the team, deal Ray Allen, and perhaps acquire a Lottery Pick to find a young promising talent at PF/SF/SG. One possible scenario, that could be in the making, would be an exit of Davis, a sign and trade of Leon Powe for a draft pick, and then the club would use the fiscal savings to sign Rasheed Wallace to the full MLE. The way I look at, it's the equivalent of dealing Powe and Davis for Rasheed, and who wouldn't do that trade? Ray _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From cecilw45 at hotmail.com Mon Mar 16 15:00:45 2009 From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:00:45 -0300 Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed In-Reply-To: <631898.6366.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <532564.93515.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <631898.6366.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: C'mon guys!!! We'd lead the league in technicals!! Ray likes that!! Cecil > Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 07:57:54 -0700 > From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed > To: celtics at igtc.com > > Me. > > --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Way Of The Ray wrote: > > From: Way Of The Ray > Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed > To: "Celtics Stuff" , "Celtics Are Idiots List" > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:42 AM > > The upcoming Celtics offseason is sure to be one of the more fascinating ones > in recent memory. As Good Egg (Welcome Back))) has noted, Celtics ownership > during this recent financial crisis has lost a great deal of wealth. So, that > could have a large impact on whatever moves the Celtics undertake this summer. > > Melding in with the monetary difficulties is the gameplan of our favorite > Director of Basketball Operations/No. 1 Schemer, Devious Danny Ainge, who would > like to add Rasheed Wallace to the team, deal Ray Allen, and perhaps acquire a > Lottery Pick to find a young promising talent at PF/SF/SG. > > One possible scenario, that could be in the making, would be an exit of Davis, > a sign and trade of Leon Powe for a draft pick, and then the club would use the > fiscal savings to sign Rasheed Wallace to the full MLE. > > The way I look at, it's the equivalent of dealing Powe and Davis for > Rasheed, and who wouldn't do that trade? > > Ray > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _________________________________________________________________ Reunite with the people closest to you, chat face to face with Messenger. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650736 From jaims at pldtdsl.net Mon Mar 16 15:12:07 2009 From: jaims at pldtdsl.net (Jaims) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:12:07 +0800 Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed In-Reply-To: <532564.93515.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <532564.93515.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9a649$92c70630$b8551290$@net> i wouldn't. ;) -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Way Of The Ray Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:43 PM To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed The way I look at, it's the equivalent of dealing Powe and Davis for Rasheed, and who wouldn't do that trade? Ray _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From callmebogie at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 15:36:45 2009 From: callmebogie at yahoo.com (Michael Gooen) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 08:36:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sheed? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <334915.60472.qm@web56803.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <> I wouldn't do that trade. I hope the Cs can find a way to keep both Leon and Le Grand Enfant. Michael Gooen From martind42 at cox.net Mon Mar 16 16:16:40 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 12:16:40 -0400 Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed In-Reply-To: <200903161457.n2GEvRji003036@ares.afrc.af.mil> Message-ID: <20090316121640.KLSXM.253058.imail@eastrmwml10> Say no to weed. He's the last thing this team needs. ---- Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: > So the solution to a team getting older is to...get even older? > > Could I get some jumbo shrimp or military intelligence to go along with that order? That's like, dare I say, spending your way out of a debt crisis...isn't it? > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Way Of The Ray > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 10:43 AM > To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List > Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed > > > The upcoming Celtics offseason is sure to be one of the more fascinating ones in recent memory. As Good Egg (Welcome Back))) has noted, Celtics ownership during this recent financial crisis has lost a great deal of wealth. So, that could have a large impact on whatever moves the Celtics undertake this summer. > > Melding in with the monetary difficulties is the gameplan of our favorite Director of Basketball Operations/No. 1 Schemer, Devious Danny Ainge, who would like to add Rasheed Wallace to the team, deal Ray Allen, and perhaps acquire a Lottery Pick to find a young promising talent at PF/SF/SG. > > One possible scenario, that could be in the making, would be an exit of Davis, a sign and trade of Leon Powe for a draft pick, and then the club would use the fiscal savings to sign Rasheed Wallace to the full MLE. > > The way I look at, it's the equivalent of dealing Powe and Davis for Rasheed, and who wouldn't do that trade? > > Ray > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Mon Mar 16 16:45:54 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed In-Reply-To: <532564.93515.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <331840.4434.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Minus the conjecture of the Cs losing a lot of money, I think it's altogether plausible that Rasheed Wallace signs a 2-year deal with us for short money. The economy thing works both ways and it's bound to be a buyer's market this summer. And if the ownership has shown us anything, they're willing to pay for a winner, provided Danny can convince them they should. I'd bet on Danny. Also, given the buyer's market, I think it's completely realistic that both Powe and Baby resign with us, probably for 1 or 2 year deals. There's just not going to be that much money being spent and I think Powe/Davis are pretty low on the list of attractive free agents....which will make them easier to resign. And after the year Ray Allen has had, I don't think we'll trade him unless we really flame out badly in the playoffs. Ryan --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Way Of The Ray wrote: > From: Way Of The Ray > Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed > To: "Celtics Stuff" , "Celtics Are Idiots List" > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:42 AM > The upcoming Celtics offseason is sure to be one of the more > fascinating ones in recent memory. As Good Egg (Welcome > Back))) has noted, Celtics ownership during this recent > financial crisis has lost a great deal of wealth. So, that > could have a large impact on whatever moves the Celtics > undertake this summer. > > Melding in with the monetary difficulties is the gameplan > of our favorite Director of Basketball Operations/No. 1 > Schemer, Devious Danny Ainge, who would like to add Rasheed > Wallace to the team, deal Ray Allen, and perhaps acquire a > Lottery Pick to find a young promising talent at PF/SF/SG. > > One possible scenario, that could be in the making, would > be an exit of Davis, a sign and trade of Leon Powe for a > draft pick, and then the club would use the fiscal savings > to sign Rasheed Wallace to the full MLE. > > The way I look at, it's the equivalent of dealing Powe > and Davis for Rasheed, and who wouldn't do that trade? > > Ray > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 00:37:19 2009 From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed In-Reply-To: <331840.4434.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <331840.4434.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <873429.65777.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I agree with most of what you wrote.? But I'd trade Ray Allen if we can get equal value or less value but a good pick.?Coming off the year he has had means we'd get more for him that we can ever expect to in the future.? Thank goodness that Danny is an unsentimental snake. ________________________________ From: Ryan W To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:45:54 PM Subject: Re: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed Minus the conjecture of the Cs losing a lot of money, I think it's altogether plausible that Rasheed Wallace signs a 2-year deal with us for short money.? The economy thing works both ways and it's bound to be a buyer's market this summer.? And if the ownership has shown us anything, they're willing to pay for a winner, provided Danny can convince them they should.? I'd bet on Danny. Also, given the buyer's market, I think it's completely realistic that both Powe and Baby resign with us, probably for 1 or 2 year deals.? There's just not going to be that much money being spent and I think Powe/Davis are pretty low on the list of attractive free agents....which will make them easier to resign.? And after the year Ray Allen has had, I don't think we'll trade him unless we really flame out badly in the playoffs.? Ryan --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Way Of The Ray wrote: > From: Way Of The Ray > Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed > To: "Celtics Stuff" , "Celtics Are Idiots List" > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:42 AM > The upcoming Celtics offseason is sure to be one of the more > fascinating ones in recent memory. As Good Egg (Welcome > Back))) has noted, Celtics ownership during this recent > financial crisis has lost a great deal of wealth. So, that > could have a large impact on whatever moves the Celtics > undertake this summer. > > Melding in with the monetary difficulties is the gameplan > of our favorite Director of Basketball Operations/No. 1 > Schemer, Devious Danny Ainge, who would like to add Rasheed > Wallace to the team, deal Ray Allen, and perhaps acquire a > Lottery Pick to find a young promising talent at PF/SF/SG. > > One possible scenario, that could be in the making, would > be an exit of Davis, a sign and trade of Leon Powe for a > draft pick, and then the club would use the fiscal savings > to sign Rasheed Wallace to the full MLE. > > The way I look at, it's the equivalent of dealing Powe > and Davis for Rasheed, and who wouldn't do that trade? > > Ray >? > > > > >? ? ? > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ? ? ? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com Tue Mar 17 00:38:29 2009 From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 17:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed In-Reply-To: <331840.4434.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <331840.4434.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <78718.28544.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I agree with most of what you wrote.? But I'd trade Ray Allen if we can get equal value or less value but a good pick.?Coming off the year he has had means we'd get more for him that we can ever expect to in the future.? Thank goodness that Danny is an unsentimental snake. ________________________________ From: Ryan W To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 12:45:54 PM Subject: Re: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed Minus the conjecture of the Cs losing a lot of money, I think it's altogether plausible that Rasheed Wallace signs a 2-year deal with us for short money.? The economy thing works both ways and it's bound to be a buyer's market this summer.? And if the ownership has shown us anything, they're willing to pay for a winner, provided Danny can convince them they should.? I'd bet on Danny. Also, given the buyer's market, I think it's completely realistic that both Powe and Baby resign with us, probably for 1 or 2 year deals.? There's just not going to be that much money being spent and I think Powe/Davis are pretty low on the list of attractive free agents....which will make them easier to resign.? And after the year Ray Allen has had, I don't think we'll trade him unless we really flame out badly in the playoffs.? Ryan --- On Mon, 3/16/09, Way Of The Ray wrote: > From: Way Of The Ray > Subject: Rasheed Rasheed Rasheed > To: "Celtics Stuff" , "Celtics Are Idiots List" > Date: Monday, March 16, 2009, 9:42 AM > The upcoming Celtics offseason is sure to be one of the more > fascinating ones in recent memory. As Good Egg (Welcome > Back))) has noted, Celtics ownership during this recent > financial crisis has lost a great deal of wealth. So, that > could have a large impact on whatever moves the Celtics > undertake this summer. > > Melding in with the monetary difficulties is the gameplan > of our favorite Director of Basketball Operations/No. 1 > Schemer, Devious Danny Ainge, who would like to add Rasheed > Wallace to the team, deal Ray Allen, and perhaps acquire a > Lottery Pick to find a young promising talent at PF/SF/SG. > > One possible scenario, that could be in the making, would > be an exit of Davis, a sign and trade of Leon Powe for a > draft pick, and then the club would use the fiscal savings > to sign Rasheed Wallace to the full MLE. > > The way I look at, it's the equivalent of dealing Powe > and Davis for Rasheed, and who wouldn't do that trade? > > Ray >? > > > > >? ? ? > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ? ? ? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From jahillsr at comcast.net Tue Mar 17 03:19:35 2009 From: jahillsr at comcast.net (Jim Hill) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 23:19:35 -0400 Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs Message-ID: <00b201c9a6af$32af0bb0$980d2310$@net> >Believe it or not your cold blasts of pessimism add a certain texture that has been lacking here of late. "Lacking" in a bad way? Lets see; Ainge is evil. Wyc is cheap. Team is weak. Never gonna win another championship with Ainge and Ownership at the helm, (this time I'm right I swear!) They shoulda signed THIS GUY instead of the guys that would sign. Yada, Yada, Yada. Same old story, different date. From Eggcentric at aol.com Tue Mar 17 15:21:48 2009 From: Eggcentric at aol.com (Eggcentric at aol.com) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 11:21:48 EDT Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs Message-ID: > Lets see;? Ainge is evil.? Wyc is cheap. Team is weak.? Never gonna win > another championship with Ainge and Ownership at the helm, (this time I'm > right I swear!) -Jahill > Yup, you're right again, Mr. Hill. > They shoulda signed THIS GUY instead of the guys that would > sign. Yada, Yada, Yada.? Same old story, different date. > Ditto ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219850974x1201371016/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Tue Mar 17 15:39:05 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2009 08:39:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <981807.77415.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Good point about the underdog status going into the playoffs. The predictions before the NBA Finals last year would have fired up the team for sure, 9 out of 10 ESPN "experts" predicted the Lakers to win it: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playoffs2008/series?series=lalbos ________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 05:57:10 -0700 (PDT) From: asterix ninetynine Subject: Re: Losing ground to the Cavs To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Message-ID: <707175.2379.qm at web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 I think it's important to have home court but no one should concede the championship if we don't get it.? The important things for a team with three aging stars is to be solidly healthy going into the playoffs and to have a productive bench.? We're headed in the right direction in that regard even if we are seeded #2 or #3 in the East.? I also think that if?the Celtics?are going to be successful repeating, it helps if the team develops somewhat of an "us against the world" mindset. Mental toughness in the playoffs is an underated quality that I think this team will possess more of than anyone else come playoff time.? Welcome back Egg.? Believe it or not your cold blasts of?pessimism?add a certain texture that has been lacking here of late.? ________________________________ From: "eggcentric at aol.com" To: Celtics at IGTC.com Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 9:32:52 AM Subject: Losing ground to the Cavs If history tells us anything, home court advantage means everything in the playoffs. We can?t lose to the Cavs in Boston, but we can?t seem to beat them in Cleveland. Ouch!?? We are presently one win behind the Cavs in the win column and a more important three losses more than them in the loss column. We are also three wins behind the Fakers in the win column and three? losses more than them in the loss column.? Not good. The recent absense of Garnett and Rondo have proven our bench to be what many pundits thought it was ...razor thin,?? But then we all knew that once we traded our future away (Brandon Roy, Al Jefferson, several draft picks, and future cap space) to produce the aging BIG THREE that we had a 1-3 year window of opportunity. That now appears to be confined to a one year window after Venus finally alligned with Mars and Lucky for a perfect storm 2008 Championship season.? Subsequently, our free agent signings have been dreadful. Gambling on the upside of useless O?Bryant over Chris Andersen (who eventually signed with Denver for one year at under $1 million) and the useless Cassell (to appease Garnett), assuming the trio of Tony Allen/Eddie House/Gabe Pruitt could replace Posey and that Powe/Big Baby/Scal were an answer to our bench bigs ... yup, they were all terrible decisions by Danny Ainge. Meanwhile, in this down economy/stock market/real estate market, Venture Capitalists Wyc et al have lost their arms, legs, and now their hearts and pocketbooks But they will always have Paris, and so will we (The 2008 Championship). Was it all worth it for years to come?? The debate lives on. Egg _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ????? ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics End of The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 50 *************************************************************** Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From Eggcentric at aol.com Wed Mar 18 12:55:44 2009 From: Eggcentric at aol.com (Eggcentric at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:55:44 EDT Subject: Ref Bill Kennedy Message-ID: This horrible ref should be shot (well maybe just fired) for tossing Doc out of the game last night with so little provocation and so little time to go on the clock in a close game.? Kennedy is a macho jerk, only adding to Stern's big time problems with his refs while both the NBA's credibility and finances are at risk. While most other teams have had glaring franchise-player injuries, we have actually had very few ... except when they came, they all came at once. Now Allen, Rondo and Powe in just one game? Holy cow. ************** Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.dou bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) From douglas342 at aol.com Wed Mar 18 15:07:03 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:07:03 -0400 Subject: Ref Bill Kennedy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB75F2542E365B-1028-236E@WEBMAIL-DC05.sysops.aol.com> One thing seldom mentioned is how injury-free the Celtics were last year. Championships are rare things, and it doesn't take much to lose one. In fact, it's sort of scary how the Lakers don't seem to have missed a beat with Bynum out. Now the Cs have lost their #1, #2, and #3 PFs? I just hope that everyone is back with about 5-8 games to go. (I join the chorus welcoming you back, Egg!) -----Original Message----- From: Eggcentric at aol.com To: Celtics at IGTC.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 5:55 am Subject: Ref Bill Kennedy This horrible ref should be shot (well maybe just fired) for tossing Doc out of the game last night with so little provocation and so little time to go on the clock in a close game.? Kennedy is a macho jerk, only adding to Stern's big time problems with his refs while both the NBA's credibility and finances are at risk. While most other teams have had glaring franchise-player injuries, we have actually had very few ... except when they came, they all came at once. Now Allen, Rondo and Powe in just one game? Holy cow. From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Wed Mar 18 18:08:41 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:08:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ref Bill Kennedy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <356396.98685.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yeah, let's kill him Egg. Me and you. Just kidding. Good to see you back posting on a semi-regular basis. Just in time for the playoff run. As for Kennedy, did you see Doc's post-game press conference? Doc pretty much gave him the middle finger. In all my years of watching Doc in post-game, that was the most upset about an official as I've ever seen him. He basically said that Kennedy goaded him into the 2nd technical, staring him down until Doc turned around and said, "What" after which Kennedy then threw him out. Doc called it the most 'unprofessional tech' he'd ever received. The NBA really needs to restore credibility in its officials...the officiating has actually gotten worse this season. Incredible. Ryan --- On Wed, 3/18/09, Eggcentric at aol.com wrote: > From: Eggcentric at aol.com > Subject: Ref Bill Kennedy > To: Celtics at IGTC.com > Date: Wednesday, March 18, 2009, 7:55 AM > This horrible ref should be shot (well maybe just fired) for > tossing > Doc out of the game last night with so little provocation > and so little > time to go on the clock in a close game.? > > Kennedy is a macho jerk, only adding to Stern's big > time problems > with his refs while both the NBA's credibility and > finances are at risk. > > While most other teams have had glaring franchise-player > injuries, > we have actually had very few ... except when they came, > they all came > at once. Now Allen, Rondo and Powe in just one game? > > Holy cow. > > > > > > ************** > Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.dou > bleclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Eggcentric at aol.com Wed Mar 18 18:29:58 2009 From: Eggcentric at aol.com (Eggcentric at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 14:29:58 EDT Subject: Douglas Message-ID: - Douglas > Thanks, Douglas. I appreciate your keen perceptions on the present unhealthy state of our team, especially with our BENCH BIGS who were undernourished from the start. And I'm not even counting signing the foul-prone, inferior Moore over Drew Gooden and Joe Smith for similar money since I hear that neither of them were about to choose the Celts as their first choice anyway. Life is one big swapoff... all up, all down. Are the Celts now paying their dues for their miracle 2007-08 season? I hope not, as they will always be my team of choise dating back to Cousy, Sharman, Easy Ed, Ramsey, and all those good old guys who represented what was best in sports and best in the good old USA. ************** Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) From douglas342 at aol.com Wed Mar 18 20:27:19 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 16:27:19 -0400 Subject: Douglas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB761F11CABAB2-BE8-EA9@WEBMAIL-MB14.sysops.aol.com> I was wandering around the Sports Illustrated archives last night and found an article from 1991 wondering if Cousy could still play in he NBA. It compared him to John Stockton. At any rate, the writer describes the 19876 old-timers game when Cooz took the ball the length of the court and, without looking (of course) laid the ball off to Sam Jones for the layup. The crowd went nutso. Cooz was so wiped out by that 90-foot sprint that he asked to come out of the game. 07-08 was a miracle season. Like many have said, it's nice to be in the hunt for another one. Lots of teams aren't. As far as the new players are concerned, Moore ain't PJ Brown, but Sam wasn't Marbury - I hope. -----Original Message----- From: Eggcentric at aol.com To: Celtics at IGTC.com Sent: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:29 am Subject: Douglas - Douglas > Thanks, Douglas. I appreciate your keen perceptions on the present unhealthy state of our team, especially with our BENCH BIGS who were undernourished from the start. And I'm not even counting signing the foul-prone, inferior Moore over Drew Gooden and Joe Smith for similar money since I hear that neither of them were about to choose the Celts as their first choice anyway. Life is one big swapoff... all up, all down. Are the Celts now paying their dues for their miracle 2007-08 season? I hope not, as they will always be my team of choise dating back to Cousy, Sharman, Easy Ed, Ramsey, and all those good old guys who represented what was best in sports and best in the good old USA. ************** Great Deals on Dell 15" Laptops - Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220433363x1201394532/aol?redir= http:%2F%2Fad.doub leclick.net%2Fclk%3B212935224%3B34245239%3Bb) _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ken_kokubo at harvard.edu Fri Mar 20 03:39:09 2009 From: ken_kokubo at harvard.edu (Kokubo, Ken) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 23:39:09 -0400 Subject: ref Bill Kennedy fined! Message-ID: <49C30FDD.5040108@harvard.edu> From boston.com... --- Celtics coach Doc Rivers was fined $25,000 by the NBA today for publicly criticizing referee Bill Kennedy after a loss to Chicago last Tuesday. The penalty was determined by Stu Jackson. Referee Billy Kennedy was also fined an undisclosed amount for his conduct with Rivers at the end of the game, according to an NBA source. Neither was suspended any games. With the Celtics trailing the Bulls, 124-119, following a timeout with 29.8 seconds left, Rivers received his second technical foul and was ejected. He said he was baited by Kennedy. "The technical on which I got thrown out was the most unprofessional technical by a ref I've ever had," Rivers said. "He stood there and goaded me and goaded me and stared at me. "Look at the film. I actually walked away. He asked me, 'Where do you want the ball?' And I said, 'Ask them,' talking about my players. That's my right to say that, and he walked away. "He stood there and stared me down and stared me down and goaded me until I turned around and said, 'What?' That's when I got thrown out of the game. In a [5-point] game? Think about that." Kennedy was not available for comment after the game or the fine. Had Rivers not made the comment about Kennedy he probably would not have been fined. From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Fri Mar 20 13:04:29 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 06:04:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spurs & Grizzlies Message-ID: <866869.50985.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Enjoy the basketball this weekend, everyone. I'll be checking the scores from Rome while eating pizza and sightseeing, in that order :) Cheers Adam Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Fri Mar 20 13:13:01 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:13:01 -0400 Subject: Spurs & Grizzlies In-Reply-To: <866869.50985.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <866869.50985.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200903201313.n2KDD4An019785@ares.afrc.af.mil> Just a tip - pepperoni on pizza is NOT what you think it is in Italy. Enjoy! -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Adam Patterson Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:04 AM To: Celtics Mailing List Subject: Spurs & Grizzlies Enjoy the basketball this weekend, everyone. I'll be checking the scores from Rome while eating pizza and sightseeing, in that order :) Cheers Adam Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From BDodgers at aol.com Fri Mar 20 20:09:56 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:09:56 EDT Subject: Referees union critical of NBA for fine Message-ID: Referees union critical of NBA for fine Associated Press NEW YORK -- The NBA's referees union criticized the league on Friday for fining an official who was involved in a dispute with _Boston Celtics_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) coach _Doc Rivers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) . Rivers was fined $25,000 Thursday for his postgame rant two nights earlier in Chicago against Bill Kennedy, who was also docked an undisclosed amount. Rivers complained afterward that Kennedy had stared at him, goading the Celtics coach into receiving a second technical foul and an automatic ejection. The referees, however, claim that is what they're trained to do, instead of yelling back at the coaches, and plan to appeal. "Some things you cannot take out of the arsenal of the officials. It's not a stare to start some kind of disagreement or goad him into getting ejected, it's just like, 'Hey, enough is enough," referees union spokesman Lamell McMorris told The Associated Press. "And basically he didn't even stare him down. He walked away, he turned his back per what he is trained to do and he removed himself from the situation. "As far as we're concerned, Billy Kennedy followed every rule according to the referee's manual as it relates to handling situations like this. The only person in this scenario who has had a pattern of behavior that is unprofessional is Doc Rivers, not Billy Kennedy." The referees noted that Rivers had previously been fined this season for his public complaints about the officiating, getting penalized $15,000 in February for "verbal abuse of game officials" following a loss to the _Los Angeles Lakers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) . Rivers was thrown out with 29.8 seconds left in the Celtics' 127-121 loss in Chicago on Tuesday, calling his second technical foul "the most unprofessional tech I've ever had." "[Kennedy] stood there and goaded me and goaded me and goaded me and stared at me," Rivers said after the game. "Look at the film. I actually walked away. He asked me, 'Where do you want the ball?' And I said, 'Ask them,' talking about our players. That's my right to say that, and I walked away. He stood there and stared me down and stared me down and goaded me until I turned around and said, 'What?' That's when I got thrown out of the game." McMorris said one league official told Kennedy there would be no action against him, but believed it must have changed its mind based on the media coverage of Rivers' outburst. He wouldn't say how much Kennedy lost, but, "in comparison to what Bill Kennedy gets paid and what Doc Rivers gets paid, it was not equitable." McMorris added the fine was a "dangerous situation" as the officials prepare for the postseason. "The thing that's most troubling is the fact that this person was fined for doing his job and for following the rules and the training and for trying to do his job to minimize the situation and the conflict, and for walking away," McMorris said. "So that's very troubling to all the officials and they're very alarmed by this matter, because one matter like this affects the ability of all of them to do their jobs." Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From douglas342 at aol.com Fri Mar 20 20:30:54 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 16:30:54 -0400 Subject: Referees union critical of NBA for fine In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB77B1E6F2E368-128C-13DB@webmail-db14.sysops.aol.com> Of course the union's critical. That's the union's job. I once had an employee I couldn't stand and wanted her gone in the worst way. My boss found something she'd done and said he was going to fire her. I saaid, "Great. Let me bitch about it, and then you can go ahead and can her ass and I'll buy you a beer." He gave her a warning. -----Original Message----- From: BDodgers at aol.com To: celtics at igtc.com; Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:09 pm Subject: Referees union critical of NBA for fine Referees union critical of NBA for fine Associated Press NEW YORK -- The NBA's referees union criticized the league on Friday for fining an official who was involved in a dispute with _Boston Celtics_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) coach _Doc Rivers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) . Rivers was fined $25,000 Thursday for his postgame rant two nights earlier in Chicago against Bill Kennedy, who was also docked an undisclosed amount. Rivers complained afterward that Kennedy had stared at him, goading the Celtics coach into receiving a second technical foul and an automatic ejection. The referees, however, claim that is what they're trained to do, instead of yelling back at the coaches, and plan to appeal. "Some things you cannot take out of the arsenal of the officials. It's not a stare to start some kind of disagreement or goad him into getting ejected, it's just like, 'Hey, enough is enough," referees union spokesman Lamell McMorris told The Associated Press. "And basically he didn't even stare him down. He walked away, he turned his back per what he is trained to do and he removed himself from the situation. "As far as we're concerned, Billy Kennedy followed every rule according to the referee's manual as it relates to handling situations like this. The only person in this scenario who has had a pattern of behavior that is unprofessional is Doc Rivers, not Billy Kennedy." The referees noted that Rivers had previously been fined this season for his public complaints about the officiating, getting penalized $15,000 in February for "verbal abuse of game officials" following a loss to the _Los Angeles Lakers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) . Rivers was thrown out with 29.8 seconds left in the Celtics' 127-121 loss in Chicago on Tuesday, calling his second technical foul "the most unprofessional tech I've ever had." "[Kennedy] stood there and goaded me and goaded me and goaded me and stared at me," Rivers said after the game. "Look at the film. I actually walked away. He asked me, 'Where do you want the ball?' And I said, 'Ask them,' talking about our players. That's my right to say that, and I walked away. He stood there and stared me down and stared me down and goaded me until I turned around and said, 'What?' That's when I got thrown out of the game." McMorris said one league official told Kennedy there would be no action against him, but believed it must have changed its mind based on the media coverage of Rivers' outburst. He wouldn't say how much Kennedy lost, but, "in comparison to what Bill Kennedy gets paid and what Doc Rivers gets paid, it was not equitable." McMorris added the fine was a "dangerous situation" as the officials prepare for the postseason. "The thing that's most troubling is the fact that this person was fined for doing his job and for following the rules and the training and for trying to do his job to minimize the situation and the conflict, and for walking away," McMorris said. "So that's very troubling to all the officials and they're very alarmed by this matter, because one matter like this affects the ability of all of them to do their jobs." Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Fri Mar 20 21:03:10 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 17:03:10 -0400 Subject: Referees union critical of NBA for fine In-Reply-To: <8CB77B1E6F2E368-128C-13DB@webmail-db14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090320170310.P5S4M.256761.imail@eastrmwml39> Did you still buy him the beer? :-) ---- douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > Of course the union's critical. That's the union's job. > > I once had an employee I couldn't stand and wanted her gone in the > worst way. My boss found something she'd done and said he was going to > fire her. I saaid, "Great. Let me bitch about it, and then you can go > ahead and can her ass and I'll buy you a beer." > > He gave her a warning. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BDodgers at aol.com > To: celtics at igtc.com; Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:09 pm > Subject: Referees union critical of NBA for fine > > Referees union critical of NBA for fine > > > Associated Press > > NEW YORK -- The NBA's referees union criticized the league on Friday > for > fining an official who was involved in a dispute with _Boston Celtics_ > (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) coach _Doc Rivers_ > (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) . > Rivers was fined $25,000 Thursday for his postgame rant two nights > earlier in > Chicago against Bill Kennedy, who was also docked an undisclosed > amount. > Rivers complained afterward that Kennedy had stared at him, goading > the Celtics > > coach into receiving a second technical foul and an automatic > ejection. > The referees, however, claim that is what they're trained to do, > instead of > yelling back at the coaches, and plan to appeal. > "Some things you cannot take out of the arsenal of the officials. It's > not a > stare to start some kind of disagreement or goad him into getting > ejected, > it's just like, 'Hey, enough is enough," referees union spokesman > Lamell > McMorris told The Associated Press. "And basically he didn't even > stare him > down. > He walked away, he turned his back per what he is trained to do and he > removed > himself from the situation. > "As far as we're concerned, Billy Kennedy followed every rule according > to > the referee's manual as it relates to handling situations like this. > The only > person in this scenario who has had a pattern of behavior that is > unprofessional is Doc Rivers, not Billy Kennedy." > The referees noted that Rivers had previously been fined this season > for his > public complaints about the officiating, getting penalized $15,000 in > February for "verbal abuse of game officials" following a loss to the > _Los > Angeles > Lakers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) . > Rivers was thrown out with 29.8 seconds left in the Celtics' 127-121 > loss in > Chicago on Tuesday, calling his second technical foul "the most > unprofessional tech I've ever had." > "[Kennedy] stood there and goaded me and goaded me and goaded me and > stared > at me," Rivers said after the game. "Look at the film. I actually > walked away. > He asked me, 'Where do you want the ball?' And I said, 'Ask them,' > talking > about our players. That's my right to say that, and I walked away. He > stood > there and stared me down and stared me down and goaded me until I > turned around > > and said, 'What?' That's when I got thrown out of the game." > McMorris said one league official told Kennedy there would be no action > > against him, but believed it must have changed its mind based on the > media > coverage of Rivers' outburst. He wouldn't say how much Kennedy lost, > but, "in > comparison to what Bill Kennedy gets paid and what Doc Rivers gets > paid, it was > > not equitable." > McMorris added the fine was a "dangerous situation" as the officials > prepare > for the postseason. > "The thing that's most troubling is the fact that this person was fined > for > doing his job and for following the rules and the training and for > trying to > do his job to minimize the situation and the conflict, and for walking > away," > McMorris said. "So that's very troubling to all the officials and > they're > very alarmed by this matter, because one matter like this affects the > ability > of > all of them to do their jobs." > > Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for > $10 or > less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Fri Mar 20 21:25:23 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 14:25:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Referees union critical of NBA for fine In-Reply-To: <8CB77B1E6F2E368-128C-13DB@webmail-db14.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <355311.32944.qm@web65614.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yeah, the union can stand up and protect their members, but to call Doc Rivers unprofessional? They should be fined FOR THAT. If Doc can't call out a ego-maniac with a whistle, I don't know what the officials union can call Doc Rivers unprofessional. Ryan --- On Fri, 3/20/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: Referees union critical of NBA for fine > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Friday, March 20, 2009, 3:30 PM > Of course the union's critical. That's the > union's job. > > I once had an employee I couldn't stand and wanted her > gone in the worst way. My boss found something she'd > done and said he was going to fire her. I saaid, > "Great. Let me bitch about it, and then you can go > ahead and can her ass and I'll buy you a beer." > > He gave her a warning. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BDodgers at aol.com > To: celtics at igtc.com; Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 1:09 pm > Subject: Referees union critical of NBA for fine > > Referees union critical of NBA for fine > > > Associated Press > > NEW YORK -- The NBA's referees union criticized the > league on Friday for > fining an official who was involved in a dispute with > _Boston Celtics_ > (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) coach > _Doc Rivers_ > (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) > . > Rivers was fined $25,000 Thursday for his postgame rant two > nights earlier in > Chicago against Bill Kennedy, who was also docked an > undisclosed amount. > Rivers complained afterward that Kennedy had stared at > him, goading the Celtics > > coach into receiving a second technical foul and an > automatic ejection. > The referees, however, claim that is what they're > trained to do, instead of > yelling back at the coaches, and plan to appeal. > "Some things you cannot take out of the arsenal of the > officials. It's not a > stare to start some kind of disagreement or goad him into > getting ejected, > it's just like, 'Hey, enough is enough," > referees union spokesman Lamell > McMorris told The Associated Press. "And basically he > didn't even stare him > down. > He walked away, he turned his back per what he is trained > to do and he removed > himself from the situation. > "As far as we're concerned, Billy Kennedy followed > every rule according to > the referee's manual as it relates to handling > situations like this. The only > person in this scenario who has had a pattern of behavior > that is > unprofessional is Doc Rivers, not Billy Kennedy." > The referees noted that Rivers had previously been fined > this season for his > public complaints about the officiating, getting penalized > $15,000 in > February for "verbal abuse of game officials" > following a loss to the _Los > Angeles > Lakers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) > . > Rivers was thrown out with 29.8 seconds left in the > Celtics' 127-121 loss in > Chicago on Tuesday, calling his second technical foul > "the most > unprofessional tech I've ever had." > "[Kennedy] stood there and goaded me and goaded me and > goaded me and stared > at me," Rivers said after the game. "Look at the > film. I actually walked away. > He asked me, 'Where do you want the ball?' And I > said, 'Ask them,' talking > about our players. That's my right to say that, and I > walked away. He stood > there and stared me down and stared me down and goaded me > until I turned around > > and said, 'What?' That's when I got thrown out > of the game." > McMorris said one league official told Kennedy there would > be no action > against him, but believed it must have changed its mind > based on the media > coverage of Rivers' outburst. He wouldn't say how > much Kennedy lost, but, "in > comparison to what Bill Kennedy gets paid and what Doc > Rivers gets paid, it was > > not equitable." > McMorris added the fine was a "dangerous > situation" as the officials prepare > for the postseason. > "The thing that's most troubling is the fact that > this person was fined for > doing his job and for following the rules and the training > and for trying to > do his job to minimize the situation and the conflict, and > for walking away," > McMorris said. "So that's very troubling to all > the officials and they're > very alarmed by this matter, because one matter like this > affects the ability > of > all of them to do their jobs." > > Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press > **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make > dinner for $10 or > less. > (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 17:22:35 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 10:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: great win Message-ID: <940059.65543.qm@web63101.mail.re1.yahoo.com> watching Garnett, and the team reponse to Garnett, was the BEST! close behind was Pierce PASSING THE BALL for the last shot.? I couldn't believe he didn't just spin into traffic as usual.? And it wasn't even Ray Allen he passed it to, it was Glen freaking Davis!? (who is earning his nickname - did you see the lower lip jutting out after he hit it?).? Way to go Baby!?? He is becoming so valuable with his good hands, good hoops sense, strength and range.?? Speaking of range, go Rondo!? What does he have to do to erase the 'he can't shoot' reputation?? Doesn't he have one of the highest shooting percentages of all guards in the league? Bill Walker, who I don't think played at all, was loving cheerleading w/KG on the sidelines.? And KG was all over everybody who deserved it during the time outs.? All in all, this was just a terrific win - thank you Tony Parker.? We are on a streak against San Antonio which is just plain sweet - I will never forget the Duncan Draft. I like Drew Gooden, and wish we had him for a tall big backup. I worry about Leon being out for so long and hope his knee is going to be OK. We are going to need him in the playoffs - Mikki Moore just doesn't get it done quite the same way. I can see a playoff rotation: KG, Perk, Pierce, Allen, Rondo Davis, House, Leon Marbury, Moore, Walker (nobody replaces Pierce exactly like Bill Walker does) House has to play because of his ability to get so many points up quickly. If we're down by 10, he (or Rondo) is the guy to get in there.? I hope Marbury's shooting comes back to form. I saw a nice long J from him last night.? Does he have 3's in his arsenal? Ellie From Eggcentric at aol.com Sat Mar 21 20:23:49 2009 From: Eggcentric at aol.com (Eggcentric at aol.com) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:23:49 EDT Subject: great win Message-ID: > I hope Marbury's shooting comes back to form. I saw a nice long > J from him last night.? Does he have 3's in his arsenal? > - Ellie Cutler I hope for the same, Ellie.? But Marbury (who we were the only team to wait 66% of the season to sign with no offer from any other NBA team) appears to have nothing left in his arsensal, including twos, threes, assists, ppg, etc. Very disappointing along with the equally disappointing Moore FA signing.? What was Celt Management thinking? . ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220863691x1201421954/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) From cecilw45 at hotmail.com Sat Mar 21 20:41:08 2009 From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 17:41:08 -0300 Subject: great win In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Egg my love, How I have waited for your long-overdue return. My heart is all a-twitter as we type!! I think Celts management is thinking something like the following: "Holy shit...we just clinched the division title...and just beat San Antonio with only a brief appearance by Garnett, with an injured Ray Allen and with a subpar performance by our captain. Which one of our dedicated fans, with the exception of Ray, would have thought we would go down there and win under those circumstances? Not I, said the bear. There have been some posts in the recent past which have advocated for packaging players like Leon and Baby for Rasheed. Or Rondo, plus, for David Lee. I am of the opinion that the Celts management has made some rather wise, albeit, unpopular decisions with those malcontented fans, who blame them for everything including the price of gas. If this team stays healthy for the playoffs, and that really is the key AFAIC, that's all we can ask for. I think their play will take care of itself if healthy...but isn't that the concern of every team in the playoff hunt? Cecil (who loves Egg no matter what) > From: Eggcentric at aol.com > Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:23:49 -0400 > Subject: Re: great win > To: Celtics at IGTC.com > > > I hope Marbury's shooting comes back to form. I saw a nice long > > J from him last night. Does he have 3's in his arsenal? > > - Ellie Cutler > > I hope for the same, Ellie. But Marbury (who we were the > only team to wait 66% of the season to sign with no offer from > any other NBA team) appears to have nothing left in his arsensal, > including twos, threes, assists, ppg, etc. > > Very disappointing along with the equally disappointing > Moore FA signing. > > What was Celt Management thinking? > > > . > > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220863691x1201421954/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _________________________________________________________________ Chat with the whole group, and bring everyone together. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650735 From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sat Mar 21 20:53:38 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 13:53:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: great win Message-ID: <963245.18519.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I haven't seen many games recently, but I am heartened by the rebounding numbers for Moore, the offensive zest of Rondo, and Perkins' sprightlyness--is it the green shoes?? I do think Marbury still has the moves, the passing zip, enough defensive energy; if the shot begins to fall, he will contribute as much as we could expect.? He's far from done.? No gloom here.? Cheers, Gene --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Eggcentric at aol.com wrote: From: Eggcentric at aol.com Subject: Re: great win To: Celtics at IGTC.com Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:23 PM > I hope Marbury's shooting comes back to form. I saw a nice long > J from him last night.? Does he have 3's in his arsenal? >? ? ???- Ellie Cutler I hope for the same, Ellie.? But Marbury (who we were the only team to wait 66% of the season to sign with no offer from any other NBA team) appears to have nothing left in his arsensal, including twos, threes, assists, ppg, etc. Very disappointing along with the equally disappointing Moore FA signing.? What was Celt Management thinking???? . ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220863691x1201421954/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Eggcentric at aol.com Sun Mar 22 12:36:54 2009 From: Eggcentric at aol.com (Eggcentric at aol.com) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 08:36:54 EDT Subject: great win Message-ID: Dear friends Gene and Cecil Cecil, m'love - For sure, Cecil (who loves Egg no matter what) and I are an item emulating Romeo and Juliette. Except of course for the "no matter what" of which Romeo never qualified in his praise of Julie. Prithee, I know not what is contained in that dark chamber of Cecil's "what". And now to Gene (who dares not speaketh his love of ovoids) - > I do think Marbury still has the moves, the passing zip, enough defensive > energy; if the shot begins to fall, he will contribute as much as we could > expect.? He's far from done.? No gloom here.? Cheers, Gene > Yup, Marbury has sure been a help to us. In his 12 games here, he has averaged 17.2 mpg , and .302% FG% 9% 3P% 50% FT% 1 RPG 2.9 APG 2.9 PPG Telling stats? Aside from his sparkling personality, Starbury has been a terrific floor addition and is far from done, right? But bless you, Gene; hope springs eternal. The gloomy Egg on a sunny morning ************** A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220685763x1201394209/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Sun Mar 22 16:38:25 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 09:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: great win In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <277632.16035.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> It easy to understand what the Management was thinking...they were going to add the best available free agent for short money at a position of need. Don't let his numbers fool you: he's had to learn a brand new offense and defense (with PG being the hardest position to learn), while getting his body back in basketball shape. And because he's taken so much shit for everybody over the years, he's come back playing super-unselfish basketball, looking to pass at almost every opportunity, so afraid is he to be one who upset the applecart. The old Marbury was a shoot first penetrator and once the new Marbury gets his legs back and a good understanding of the offense under his belt, he'll be that guy again, probably just in time for the playoffs. So, give it some time...the way it's worked out, we're going to peak just in time for the playoffs (assuming no more injuries, of course). Almost like we planned it that way..... As for Moore, he was always just an insurance policy. He's no more than the 5th big man on the team, behind KG, Perk, Baby, and Powe. He gives you some timely shooting and some decent length...although he can't shotblock very well (same block % as Big Baby this season), he can alter shots and be an irritant. Against the Ilgauskaus' and Gasol's of the world, he can be useful in short stretches....but expect Baby and Leon to get the bulk of the backup big man minutes. Ryan --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Eggcentric at aol.com wrote: > From: Eggcentric at aol.com > Subject: Re: great win > To: Celtics at IGTC.com > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:23 PM > > I hope Marbury's shooting comes back to form. I saw > a nice long > > J from him last night.? Does he have 3's in his > arsenal? > > - Ellie Cutler > > I hope for the same, Ellie.? But Marbury (who we were the > only team to wait 66% of the season to sign with no offer > from > any other NBA team) appears to have nothing left in his > arsensal, > including twos, threes, assists, ppg, etc. > > Very disappointing along with the equally disappointing > Moore FA signing.? > > What was Celt Management thinking? > > > . > > > > > ************** > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220863691x1201421954/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Sun Mar 22 17:52:26 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:52:26 -0400 Subject: great win In-Reply-To: <277632.16035.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090322135226.OO6ED.480239.imail@eastrmwml40> Agreed. The decision to sign Marbury was a good move, because our backcourt is now superior to what it was last season. Rondo is much more consistant and certainly among the league's best pgs. House is still House, Pruitt is slightly better (although will be a non factor), Tony Allen is still missing, and Marbury is an upgrade over Sam. He was, IMO, the best talent available while filling a need at the same time. You certainly have to cut Marbury a break for not being in game shape. Also, the injuries have been so numerous, it would be difficult for him to adjust to a different rotation every day-at least in only 12 games. As for Moore, he is adequate, but certainly is no PJ Brown. But since we had no shot at Ratliff, Gooden, or Smith, he had to suffice. ---- Ryan W wrote: > > It easy to understand what the Management was thinking...they were going to add the best available free agent for short money at a position of need. Don't let his numbers fool you: he's had to learn a brand new offense and defense (with PG being the hardest position to learn), while getting his body back in basketball shape. And because he's taken so much shit for everybody over the years, he's come back playing super-unselfish basketball, looking to pass at almost every opportunity, so afraid is he to be one who upset the applecart. The old Marbury was a shoot first penetrator and once the new Marbury gets his legs back and a good understanding of the offense under his belt, he'll be that guy again, probably just in time for the playoffs. So, give it some time...the way it's worked out, we're going to peak just in time for the playoffs (assuming no more injuries, of course). Almost like we planned it that way..... > > As for Moore, he was always just an insurance policy. He's no more than the 5th big man on the team, behind KG, Perk, Baby, and Powe. He gives you some timely shooting and some decent length...although he can't shotblock very well (same block % as Big Baby this season), he can alter shots and be an irritant. Against the Ilgauskaus' and Gasol's of the world, he can be useful in short stretches....but expect Baby and Leon to get the bulk of the backup big man minutes. > > Ryan > > > --- On Sat, 3/21/09, Eggcentric at aol.com wrote: > > > From: Eggcentric at aol.com > > Subject: Re: great win > > To: Celtics at IGTC.com > > Date: Saturday, March 21, 2009, 3:23 PM > > > I hope Marbury's shooting comes back to form. I saw > > a nice long > > > J from him last night.? Does he have 3's in his > > arsenal? > > > - Ellie Cutler > > > > I hope for the same, Ellie.? But Marbury (who we were the > > only team to wait 66% of the season to sign with no offer > > from > > any other NBA team) appears to have nothing left in his > > arsensal, > > including twos, threes, assists, ppg, etc. > > > > Very disappointing along with the equally disappointing > > Moore FA signing.? > > > > What was Celt Management thinking? > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > ************** > > A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 > > easy > > steps! > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220863691x1201421954/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26hmpgID > > %3D62%26bcd%3DMarchfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Mon Mar 23 15:50:10 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 08:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Spurs & Grizzlies In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <470245.59573.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Thanks for the tip, but it looked alright and tasted pretty damn good! http://www.4shared.com/file/94507025/35bc824a/IMGP3937_800x600.html I did notice they didn't have pepperoni pizza in most places though, this was actually a salami pizza. It was the next best thing. Also, I wore my Celtics jacket all day Saturday and my "Champions" T-Shirt flying out of Rome today but the only response was from a Border Control Agent at Heathrow Airport asking me if I was coming from Dublin (after the Irish Rugby team won the "Grand Slam" on Saturday night). I was interested to see if anyone in Rome would remember the Celtics from their visit last year. Anyway, great to see we won both games on the weekend and KG is back. Adam ________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 09:13:01 -0400 From: Subject: RE: Spurs & Grizzlies To: Message-ID: <200903201313.n2KDD4An019785 at ares.afrc.af.mil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Just a tip - pepperoni on pizza is NOT what you think it is in Italy. Enjoy! -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Adam Patterson Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 9:04 AM To: Celtics Mailing List Subject: Spurs & Grizzlies Enjoy the basketball this weekend, everyone. I'll be checking the scores from Rome while eating pizza and sightseeing, in that order :) Cheers Adam Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics End of The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 52 *************************************************************** Stay connected to the people that matter most with a smarter inbox. Take a look http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/smarterinbox From pdelevett at yahoo.com Mon Mar 23 20:27:59 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2009 13:27:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Mikki, Joe and Drew Message-ID: <548857.20136.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Smith has scored more than Moore since both joined their respective new teams, but otherwise their numbers are very similar. J: 19.6 mpg, 7 ppg, 4.2 rpg, .4 bpg, .577% fg, 2.6 pf/g M: 17.5 mpg, 4.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg, .2 bpg, 56% fg, 3.7 pf/g Aside from Mikki's obvious propensity for fouling, which will hopefully improve as he becomes more comfortable with our defensive sets, those stats are pretty much a wash. And while it would have been nice to have had Joe's added offense while KG was out, I'm not sure that in the end Mikki won't end up filling a role better with the Celtics; as somebody else noted, with BB's offensive emergence, we don't necessarily need Mikki to give us what PJ did - we just need somebody who's long enough to contribute in the middle against the big guys. In a way, our bench is now more a collection of specialists than last season, but as long as everybody plays his role when called upon, I'm reasonably optimistic. Mikki also is putting up better numbers in several respects than Gooden: D: 10.5 mpg, 5.3 ppg, 4.3 rpg, .4 bpg, 46% fg, 2.9 pf/g Drew is scoring at a much faster clip, which isn't surprising, and doing a better per-minute job on the boards, but Mikki's shooting for a higher percentage and is actually less foul-prone. Again, I think Gooden's rounding into shape from an injury, so by the time the playoffs role around these numbers will probably be meaningless. I'm just saying, I'm not putting my head in the oven yet because Danny signed Moore instead of either of these other guys. From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 13:12:34 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:12:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Celtics Should Use Their Lottery Pick On The Middle Class McHale Message-ID: <271238.23313.qm@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Since this looks like the year, one or more NBA clubs will sell off their Lottery picks, the Celtics would be wise to take advantage of the economic malaise (or possible Ray Allen trade) and draft the Middle Class McHale, Cole Aldrich from Kansas. Of course, the whisperings, the rumors are the Celtics really like Dermar Derozan from USC, even if he isn't much of a three-point shooter. Still, after watching Mikki Moore, Davis and Powe's contracts being up, and Perk's iffy shoulder, one can make a strong case that Cole Aldrich would greatly appeal to the Celtics. He has a longer wingspan (7-5) than Perkins, is more athletic, a better shooter, and seems to project as a better shotblocker. As to where he would be drafted, somewhere around 8 - 16 seems to be about right. Ray From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 13:51:41 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 06:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Celtics Should Use Their Lottery Pick On The Middle Class McHale Message-ID: <594163.12575.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hold the presses!!? I agree with Ray!? I don't expect Ray Allen to be traded, but I agree with Ray on Aldrich.? Amazing!? Cheers, Gene --- On Wed, 3/25/09, Way Of The Ray wrote: From: Way Of The Ray Subject: Celtics Should Use Their Lottery Pick On The Middle Class McHale To: "Celtics Boring Stuff" , "Celtics Are Idiots List" Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 8:12 AM Since this looks like the year, one or more NBA clubs will sell off their Lottery picks, the Celtics would be wise to take advantage of the economic malaise (or possible Ray Allen trade) and draft the Middle Class McHale, Cole Aldrich from Kansas. Of course, the whisperings, the rumors are the Celtics really like Dermar Derozan from USC, even if he isn't much of a three-point shooter. Still, after watching Mikki Moore, Davis and Powe's contracts being up, and Perk's iffy shoulder, one can make a strong case that Cole Aldrich would greatly appeal to the Celtics. He has a longer wingspan (7-5) than Perkins, is more athletic, a better shooter, and seems to project as a better shotblocker. As to where he would be drafted, somewhere around 8 - 16 seems to be about right. Ray ? ? ? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 18:43:48 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (wayoftheray at yahoo.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:43:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't Panic, Marbury Will Be Fine Message-ID: <323355.81407.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Little Leprechauns, He's just out-of-synch, rusty and trying to adapt to a bench role By the Playoffs, he should do well. Marbury, a great pickup by the Celtics. Moore, well, he could match up adequately against Varejao and Smith, Gasol and Odom. Bynum, that would not be so good. Meanwhile, Scalabrine may be done for a career (which actually makes him more valuable as a trade piece, since insurance will pick up his contract presumably), Walker, well, let's hope Rivers has a little faith in him as the backup SF, since the alternative is Tony Allen. Ray From douglas342 at aol.com Wed Mar 25 18:50:14 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:50:14 -0400 Subject: Don't Panic, Marbury Will Be Fine In-Reply-To: <323355.81407.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <323355.81407.qm@web110112.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB7B91AA3E08CB-1218-A79@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com> Who are you, and what have you done with Ray? Meanwhile, tonight is a Big One. The Cs are not going to catch the Cavs or Lakers, absent a miracle. Win this game, and they'll almost certainly be #2 in the east. It's also time for KG to come back from his down time to see what he can do over 48 minutes instead of 15-20. With the exception of Tony Allen, the team is coming together just in time. Too bad about Scal. While not a significant member of the team, he does seem to be popular and cheerful about his role - no complaints if he sits on the bench for a month at a time. And he has played well this year in spurts. And is anyone else impressed every single night by Ray Allen? No flash, no glitz, but damn, he gets it done. -----Original Message----- From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com To: Celtics Are Idiots List ; Celtics Stuff Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:43 am Subject: Don't Panic, Marbury Will Be Fine Little Leprechauns, He's just out-of-synch, rusty and trying to adapt to a bench role By the Playoffs, he should do well. Marbury, a great pickup by the Celtics. Moore, well, he could match up adequately against Varejao and Smith, Gasol and Odom. Bynum, that would not be so good. Meanwhile, Scalabrine may be done for a career (which actually makes him more valuable as a trade piece, since insurance will pick up his contract presumably), Walker, well, let's hope Rivers has a little faith in him as the backup SF, since the alternative is Tony Allen. Ray _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From regmanw6 at yahoo.com Wed Mar 25 21:10:39 2009 From: regmanw6 at yahoo.com (R Howe) Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 14:10:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Don't Panic, Marbury Will Be Fine In-Reply-To: <8CB7B91AA3E08CB-1218-A79@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <141305.87362.qm@web56708.mail.re3.yahoo.com> My thoughts exactly about both Rays IMO Ray Allen has been the most consistent player on the C's this year. He has not had any prolonged slumps of more than a game or two and for his role as the outside sniper that is amazing. Plus he is routinely logging heavy minutes; also he has been effective when called on to anchor and run the second unit. What has happened to our Captain America - Pierce of late, is he playing through an injury as he always has throughout his career? Go C's hoping for a tough win tonite --- On Wed, 3/25/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: Don't Panic, Marbury Will Be Fine > To: wayoftheray at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 2:50 PM > Who are you, and what have you done with Ray? > > Meanwhile, tonight is a Big One. The Cs are not going to > catch the Cavs or Lakers, absent a miracle. Win this game, > and they'll almost certainly be #2 in the east. > It's also time for KG to come back from his down time to > see what he can do over 48 minutes instead of 15-20. With > the exception of Tony Allen, the team is coming together > just in time. > > Too bad about Scal. While not a significant member of the > team, he does seem to be popular and cheerful about his role > - no complaints if he sits on the bench for a month at a > time. And he has played well this year in spurts. > > And is anyone else impressed every single night by Ray > Allen? No flash, no glitz, but damn, he gets it done. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com > To: Celtics Are Idiots List ; > Celtics Stuff > Sent: Wed, 25 Mar 2009 11:43 am > Subject: Don't Panic, Marbury Will Be Fine > > > > Little Leprechauns, > He's just out-of-synch, rusty and > trying to adapt to a bench role > By the Playoffs, he should do well. > Marbury, a great pickup by the Celtics. > Moore, well, he could match up adequately against > Varejao and Smith, Gasol and Odom. Bynum, that > would not be so good. > > Meanwhile, Scalabrine may be done for a career (which > actually makes him more > valuable as a trade piece, since insurance will pick up his > contract > presumably), Walker, well, let's hope Rivers has a > little faith in him as the > backup SF, since the alternative is Tony Allen. > Ray > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From troynsusiehash at alltel.net Thu Mar 26 04:02:27 2009 From: troynsusiehash at alltel.net (Troy Hash) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 00:02:27 -0400 Subject: Moore is awful!! Message-ID: <005e01c9adc7$ad3c5800$6401a8c0@troyscomputer> I still think Marbury will help us, he deserves more time because he hasn't played for a year. But Moore, oh my, defensively, he makes Scalabrine look like KG!! He is terrible. 7 ft, played 12 minutes and 1, YES, 1 rebound and 4 fouls. Bill Walker needs to play more, period. Moore should not be in the rotation unless we are in deep foul trouble. Another question, if KG has been cleared to play by the doctors, after a week, why is he still not playing more than 15 minutes a game? Give him an extra day off, don't play him in back to back games, whatever, but the guy has to get in game shape and get rid of the rust of not playing for a month. The way we are playing now, we might not get past the 1st round regardless of who we play. We are having trouble beating the Grizzlies, Clippers, any team over the last month, so getting to Orlando, let alone the Cavs, is far from certain. I am a very concerned fan right now by the way we are playing. KG back full force will help, but I am not certain it is a cure at this point. Troy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 3/25/2009 7:16 AM From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Thu Mar 26 12:09:41 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:09:41 -0400 Subject: Moore is awful!! Message-ID: <200903261209.n2QC9hHF011418@artemis.afrc.af.mil> Biggest concern right now - Pierce is afraid to shoot. If this was golf - he's got the shanks...bad. ----- Original Message ----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' Sent: Thu Mar 26 00:02:27 2009 Subject: Moore is awful!! I still think Marbury will help us, he deserves more time because he hasn't played for a year. But Moore, oh my, defensively, he makes Scalabrine look like KG!! He is terrible. 7 ft, played 12 minutes and 1, YES, 1 rebound and 4 fouls. Bill Walker needs to play more, period. Moore should not be in the rotation unless we are in deep foul trouble. Another question, if KG has been cleared to play by the doctors, after a week, why is he still not playing more than 15 minutes a game? Give him an extra day off, don't play him in back to back games, whatever, but the guy has to get in game shape and get rid of the rust of not playing for a month. The way we are playing now, we might not get past the 1st round regardless of who we play. We are having trouble beating the Grizzlies, Clippers, any team over the last month, so getting to Orlando, let alone the Cavs, is far from certain. I am a very concerned fan right now by the way we are playing. KG back full force will help, but I am not certain it is a cure at this point. Troy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 3/25/2009 7:16 AM _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From shizzjr at hotmail.com Thu Mar 26 12:58:23 2009 From: shizzjr at hotmail.com (Shawn Niles) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:58:23 -0400 Subject: Moore is awful!! In-Reply-To: <200903261209.n2QC9hHF011418@artemis.afrc.af.mil> References: <200903261209.n2QC9hHF011418@artemis.afrc.af.mil> Message-ID: Are you serious?? Did you even see last night's game?? He took every single big shot down the stretch... and made most of them, mind you. > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:09:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: Moore is awful!! > > Biggest concern right now - Pierce is afraid to shoot. If this was golf - he's got the shanks...bad. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' > Sent: Thu Mar 26 00:02:27 2009 > Subject: Moore is awful!! > > I still think Marbury will help us, he deserves more time because he hasn't > played for a year. But Moore, oh my, defensively, he makes Scalabrine look > like KG!! He is terrible. 7 ft, played 12 minutes and 1, YES, 1 rebound > and 4 fouls. Bill Walker needs to play more, period. Moore should not be > in the rotation unless we are in deep foul trouble. > > Another question, if KG has been cleared to play by the doctors, after a > week, why is he still not playing more than 15 minutes a game? Give him an > extra day off, don't play him in back to back games, whatever, but the guy > has to get in game shape and get rid of the rust of not playing for a month. > The way we are playing now, we might not get past the 1st round regardless > of who we play. We are having trouble beating the Grizzlies, Clippers, any > team over the last month, so getting to Orlando, let alone the Cavs, is far > from certain. I am a very concerned fan right now by the way we are > playing. KG back full force will help, but I am not certain it is a cure at > this point. Troy > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 3/25/2009 > 7:16 AM > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to Windows Live and your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Thu Mar 26 13:56:08 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:56:08 -0400 Subject: Moore is awful!! Message-ID: <200903261356.n2QDu9OH024975@artemis.afrc.af.mil> Yep, I did, given it was an ESPN game, but taken as a whole his shooting touch is not the usual. Luckily he's still one of the best guys getting to the rim given his strength. ----- Original Message ----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com To: Celtics List Sent: Thu Mar 26 08:58:23 2009 Subject: RE: Moore is awful!! Are you serious?? Did you even see last night's game?? He took every single big shot down the stretch... and made most of them, mind you. > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:09:41 -0400 > Subject: Re: Moore is awful!! > > Biggest concern right now - Pierce is afraid to shoot. If this was golf - he's got the shanks...bad. > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' > Sent: Thu Mar 26 00:02:27 2009 > Subject: Moore is awful!! > > I still think Marbury will help us, he deserves more time because he hasn't > played for a year. But Moore, oh my, defensively, he makes Scalabrine look > like KG!! He is terrible. 7 ft, played 12 minutes and 1, YES, 1 rebound > and 4 fouls. Bill Walker needs to play more, period. Moore should not be > in the rotation unless we are in deep foul trouble. > > Another question, if KG has been cleared to play by the doctors, after a > week, why is he still not playing more than 15 minutes a game? Give him an > extra day off, don't play him in back to back games, whatever, but the guy > has to get in game shape and get rid of the rust of not playing for a month. > The way we are playing now, we might not get past the 1st round regardless > of who we play. We are having trouble beating the Grizzlies, Clippers, any > team over the last month, so getting to Orlando, let alone the Cavs, is far > from certain. I am a very concerned fan right now by the way we are > playing. KG back full force will help, but I am not certain it is a cure at > this point. Troy > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 3/25/2009 > 7:16 AM > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _________________________________________________________________ Quick access to Windows Live and your favorite MSN content with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From shizzjr at hotmail.com Thu Mar 26 14:25:35 2009 From: shizzjr at hotmail.com (Shawn Niles) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:25:35 -0400 Subject: Moore is awful!! In-Reply-To: <200903261356.n2QDu9OH024975@artemis.afrc.af.mil> References: <200903261356.n2QDu9OH024975@artemis.afrc.af.mil> Message-ID: But you weren't talking about his touch. You said he was afraid to shoot. Paul is never afraid to shoot. he's one of those rare guys that wants the big shot, and more often than not, comes through. > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 09:56:08 -0400 > Subject: Re: Moore is awful!! > > Yep, I did, given it was an ESPN game, but taken as a whole his shooting touch is not the usual. Luckily he's still one of the best guys getting to the rim given his strength. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > To: Celtics List > Sent: Thu Mar 26 08:58:23 2009 > Subject: RE: Moore is awful!! > > > Are you serious?? Did you even see last night's game?? He took every single big shot down the stretch... and made most of them, mind you. > > > > > > > > > > > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil > > To: celtics at igtc.com > > Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 08:09:41 -0400 > > Subject: Re: Moore is awful!! > > > > Biggest concern right now - Pierce is afraid to shoot. If this was golf - he's got the shanks...bad. > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > > To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' > > Sent: Thu Mar 26 00:02:27 2009 > > Subject: Moore is awful!! > > > > I still think Marbury will help us, he deserves more time because he hasn't > > played for a year. But Moore, oh my, defensively, he makes Scalabrine look > > like KG!! He is terrible. 7 ft, played 12 minutes and 1, YES, 1 rebound > > and 4 fouls. Bill Walker needs to play more, period. Moore should not be > > in the rotation unless we are in deep foul trouble. > > > > Another question, if KG has been cleared to play by the doctors, after a > > week, why is he still not playing more than 15 minutes a game? Give him an > > extra day off, don't play him in back to back games, whatever, but the guy > > has to get in game shape and get rid of the rust of not playing for a month. > > The way we are playing now, we might not get past the 1st round regardless > > of who we play. We are having trouble beating the Grizzlies, Clippers, any > > team over the last month, so getting to Orlando, let alone the Cavs, is far > > from certain. I am a very concerned fan right now by the way we are > > playing. KG back full force will help, but I am not certain it is a cure at > > this point. 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Now good news travels really fast. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_70faster_032009 From pdelevett at yahoo.com Thu Mar 26 19:19:27 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 12:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Here's the thing about last night Message-ID: <359777.35886.qm@web110111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Doc could have very well pulled out a win if he'd had KG in there in the final minutes instead of BB. But here's what I like about the decision: whether we get the 2 seed or the 3 seed, we're gonna play Orlando in the second round. Now they (and the Celtics themselves) know Boston can take their best shot, on the road, without Garnett and still come within an eyelash of stealing the win. And who knows, maybe Doc's even noticed that the #2 seed would play Detroit if the season ended right now, where the #3 seed would get Philly. I doubt Doc's really thinking that way, but I'd sure hate to see the Pistons in the first round. From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Thu Mar 26 23:49:34 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: =?utf-8?B?T2ZmIFRvcGljOiBEb24gTmVsc29uIHNheXMgRGFsbGFzIE1hdmVyaWNrcyBj?= =?utf-8?B?b3VsZCBiZSB0aGlzIHllYXLigJlzIFdhcnJpb3Jz?= Message-ID: <132446.95212.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Good news... :) From: http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/1279929.html ? Don Nelson says Dallas Mavericks could be this year?s Warriors ? The man who did as much as anybody to build the Mavericks franchise ? and also shake its foundation ? believes this team has a unique opportunity. ? If things fall right for them, they could be like Golden State , circa 2007. ? Don Nelson has seen this setup before and he thinks the Mavericks ? or somebody else in the Western Conference ? could join the Warriors as No. 8 seeds who have beaten the top-seeded team in the first round. ? "I think anybody can beat anybody, just like when we beat Dallas , we were eight and they were one," Nelson said. "I think it could happen again." ? Why? Because injuries are playing havoc with the West. Nelson believes that with the Lakers missing center Andrew Bynum, nothing is guaranteed. ? "I don?t think everybody?s as deep as they thought," Nelson said. "Even the Lakers are lacking something. They?re still winning, but they?re not as ... If Bynum doesn?t come back, they?re as vulnerable as anybody else?powerful. who?s missing a major player." ? That said, playing the Lakers is a gamble of long odds. The Mavs have every reason to want to climb the ladder for a higher spot. Still, somebody who?s been there thinks anything?s possible. ? ? Eddie Sefko The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Thu Mar 26 23:50:05 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 16:50:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Boston's Championship Culture Message-ID: <377448.89584.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=12056 Boston's Championship Culture By: Bill Ingram ? Last Updated: 3/26/09 7:10 AM ET | 297 times read ? The Boston Celtics. ? Just saying the name gives you a certain feeling of historic significance. Whether or not you're a fan of the Celtics, you have to appreciate the rich history that their very logo signifies. That aura, as much as anything, defines who the Boston Celtics are as a team. ? "I think, first of all, you have to have a belief that you're good enough to win - a genuine belief," says Celtics GM and former player Danny Ainge. "Everybody says it, but you add people into your organization that genuinely believe that they can win. That's where it has to start, and then it's leadership from that point on. You need a certain amount of talent to be successful, but talent alone won't win. You need that coach who sets a tone, you need that player who sets a tone. We have the talent and we have the leadership." ? They've also had the injuries, which is why the team added free agents Stephon Marbury and Mikki Moore just before the deadline. Ainge feels strongly that the Celtics' culture will help make his new additions key components of another championship run. ? "I've known Steph and I've known Mikki and I've watched them play throughout their careers. I think sometimes the cultures that they're in make them look different than what reality is. I've seen that happen a lot when players are put in Steph's situation. He was put in a situation where he had to carry a franchise or be the top player for a franchise. Then, when things don't go as well as expected, the scrutiny comes on that star player. Like they're the quarterback on that bad team that has no offensive line. Then they go play somewhere else and they're a lot better because they can pass and have good teammates. I think Steph falls into that category. The expectations have been unfair, but then he hasn't handled those situations as well as he could have, either. It's difficult when the focus is on you and the scrutiny is on you individually." ? Moore and Marbury are coming from two very different situations. Marbury's drama in New York has been well-documented, while Moore is really just looking to be an impact player. He was tired of riding the bench and being a mentor in Sacramento. He wants to be a meaningful part of helping win a championship. ? "I chose Boston because of the coaching staff and the core of players," Moore told HOOPSWORLD. "I had a few teams I was negotiating with right after I got waived, but I talked to Doc (Rivers) on the phone and he told me what my role was. They're going for the ring again and I wasn't going to just be an insurance policy. He said I would get to play and be a big part of winning a ring and that was a no-brainer." ? "Mikki's played some really good basketball, but I think he needs guys to utilize his strengths," says Ainge. "Both those guys are trying to find their niche with our team and our organization. I don't think it's just as simple as having a strong culture. I like Steph as a person. I like Steph as a player. I like Mikki as a person and I like Mikki as a player. ? "I'm comfortable with who they are. It's not like we're going to rehabilitate Stephon Marbury. There's a lot of guys I wouldn't touch in this league. Our culture can be as strong as you want, there are still a lot of guys I don't want in my culture. Steph and Mikki obviously aren't those guys."Right away Moore noticed a distinct difference in tone between his former team - the rebuilding Kings - and the defending champs. ? "The margin of error and the window for failure is very, very slim," says Moore. "Everybody is expecting you to be better than you were when you first came in. You have to get better every day. With this squad, they feel that if you don't improve, we don't improve. Everybody's expecting you to come in and get better every day." ? "No question about that," agrees Ainge. "Expectations are high. When you walk into practice every day in the Garden and see the banners hanging and the tradition and the history. Expectations in Boston and with this team right now are very high. The guys feel that and they want that. Most players want those kind of expectations." ? Moore loves the expectation, but he's always been a player who takes winning very seriously. ? "Either way, I'm playing for the check that I'm getting paid for. I'm going out there and I'm going to play my hardest. I'm going to give it 110% regardless of whether I'm wearing a Sacramento jersey or a Boston jersey, but the stakes are higher now. In Sacramento, we were already out of the playoff picture, so we were playing just to improve the team for next season and to improve yourself individually. With this team, it's a completely different situation. You have to concentrate a lot more, and short-term success is much more important." ? With that kind of mindset, it didn't take long for Moore to adapt the Celtics' culture of winning. ? "You have to come in with the mindset of 'I can do it' instead of 'I don't know if I can do it' or 'I'm going to try and do it.' Everything they ask you to do, you have to learn how to do it and be patient and depend on your teammates. It's a family culture here. When I'm subbed in and Ticket goes out, I have to bring that same level of intensity. His attributes are higher than me and the rest of our bench players, but you have to come in and do the best that you can. That's all they expect." ? The Celtics are currently third in the Eastern Conference, courtesy of their loss to the Magic last night. Even so, they know that Kevin Garnett's measured return will be huge for them in their final push for playoff position. If they can get healthy, they can challenge anyone. It's part of the winning culture that Ainge has worked hard to bring back to his proud franchise. ? "Right now we have a culture and an organization where people look forward to the challege," says Ainge. "There's something to play for every day." ? You can't ask for anything more. The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From BDodgers at aol.com Fri Mar 27 01:42:07 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:42:07 EDT Subject: Ian Thomsen > INSIDE THE NBA Message-ID: Ian Thomsen > INSIDE THE NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/ian_thomsen/archive/) Hornets are a team of the moment Story Highlights With no guarantees they'll remain together, the Hornets feel urgency to win now The near-trade of center Tyson Chandler has proved to be a turning point The Hornets, who are thin to begin with, have struggled with injuries this season NEW ORLEANS -- They are a team living in the moment, but just now, the moment stunk. Locker rooms are usually quiet after a loss, though that quiet is often disingenuous among the players who don't really care one way or the other. The Hornets have many flaws, as their 101-88 loss to the Nuggets on Wednesday revealed, but insincerity is not among them. _Chris Paul_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3930) 's eyes were evil with anger, like the villain in a silent movie. His teammates were distressed by the outcome too. "We still have a long way to go,'' said sixth man _James Posey_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3341) , the last player to appear out of the shower long after Paul and New Orleans' other All-Star, _David West_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3721) , had departed. "We have the pieces. It's just the will to want to do it on a consistent basis, to have the willpower to get it done.'' They may have a long way to go, but the Hornets are a young team that cannot afford to play for tomorrow. It isn't supposed to be that way, but they realized the financial realities of this otherwise promising season just last month when they traded _Tyson Chandler_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3512) to Oklahoma City for reasons of money and basketball. After Chandler's departure, the locker room was as somber as it was Wednesday, and in that setting team management explained to the players why the starting center had been sent to the Thunder for big men _Joe Smith_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3003) and _Chris Wilcox_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3606) . Of course the Hornets needed to unload Chandler's contract to avoid paying a luxury tax next season, but they also needed to improve their rebounding. At the time the deal was done, New Orleans ranked dead last in rebounding, and Chandler had not been playing as well as he did last season. After Chandler failed his physical, Oklahoma City rescinded the trade. The Thunder sent Chandler back to New Orleans, and then something important happened. "As soon as Tyson came back, the rebounding improved big-time,'' Hornets coach Byron Scott said. Chandler returned to the court Feb. 23, and suddenly the Hornets became the No. 1 rebounding team in the NBA over the ensuing three-week span. "It coincided with seven straight wins, and nine out of 10,'' Scott said. It was no coincidence that the Hornets, and Chandler in particular, began to rebound when they realized what was at risk. "Tyson is one of those [important] guys. I don't think anybody expected him [to be traded],'' West said before Wednesday's loss. "If something like that happens, if he can go, then anybody can go, anybody can be moved. I think also guys looked at it that if he wasn't here, then guys would really have to step up [to replace him]. Just the entire feel of our team changed when he came back into the locker room.'' Many other teams are going to experience similar revelations this summer if the gloomy forecasts come true and financially distraught teams begin unloading untenable salaries that happen to be attached to famous names. Many of the teams looking to make a deal will be losers, but some -- like the Hornets -- will be dreaming of winning a championship. In New Orleans' case, the lesson is clear: It had better win now before it's too late. "I think sometimes you need that extra oomph to get you going, you need something to motivate you at times,'' Scott said. "Once that trade was done and rescinded, it was probably the best thing that happened to us because it got everybody to notice, You know what, we'd better try to take care of business this year. Because you never know. "I always try to talk to our guys about the window of opportunity. I say that window of opportunity is that big,'' said Scott, holding his hands a yard apart, "but I also let them know, Guys, it's slowly shrinking. You've got these games, and you've got to try to take advantage. Nobody can predict what's going to happen next year, who's going to be here, and who's not.'' In many ways, this is a high achievement team worthy of sympathy. The Hornets have been without Chandler and _Peja Stojakovic_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3119) for a combined 43 games, in addition to other injuries and the uproar of Chandler's coming and going. They were a thin team to begin with, and yet they've remained in contention with five fewer wins than they had at this time last year when their season was smoother and free of interruption. They had won three straight -- albeit against lottery-bound opponents -- approaching this meeting with Denver, and they hoped to prove they could overcome the absence of Chandler and Stojakovic for one more defining night. But the Nuggets aggressively trapped the ball out of Paul's hands, and he neither scored enough (19 points on 11 shots) nor had enough help from teammates to overcome the combined 71 points from _Carmelo Anthony_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3706) (29), _Chauncey Billups_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3174) (26) and _J.R. Smith_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3835/index.html) (16). Scott had warned his team that at least one of those three scorers needed to be stopped, but the Nuggets pulled away with a 6-for-6 start in the fourth quarter to double their lead to 18 points while forcing a season-worst 19 turnovers overall from the Hornets. Afterward, his teammates having already departed, Posey dressed in an empty locker room. The Hornets signed him last summer to import the championship experience he gained while winning titles with Miami (in 2006) and Boston (2008). He talked about how the Spurs or the Celtics might have lost a game like this without two of their better players, but they also would have put up a better fight. "There's still a lot of time,'' he insisted. "You just have to play great basketball at the right time. I found that out at Miami. We'd go on win streaks and then lose some, but the last two months we were playing great basketball going into the playoffs and then things started clicking for us.'' It's entirely possible Posey's new team can regain its health while developing the approach that was absent this night. But the question is, Will it? The one thing Posey exaggerated is the most damning truth: Only 10 games remain before the playoffs, and this team of the moment suddenly is running short on time. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From BDodgers at aol.com Fri Mar 27 01:47:04 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 21:47:04 EDT Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?Don=20Nelson=20says=20Dallas=20Mavericks=20could=20be=20?= =?UTF-8?Q?this=20year=E2=80=99s=20Warriors?= Message-ID: Don Nelson says Dallas Mavericks could be this year?s Warriors The man who did as much as anybody to build the Mavericks franchise ? and also shake its foundation ? believes this team has a unique opportunity. If things fall right for them, they could be like _Golden State_ (http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/1279929.html#) , circa 2007. Don Nelson has seen this setup before and he thinks the Mavericks ? or somebody else in the _Western Conference_ (http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/1279929.html#) ? could join the Warriors as No. 8 seeds who have beaten the top-seeded team in the first round. "I think anybody can beat anybody, just like when we beat Dallas, we were eight and they were one," Nelson said. "I think it could happen again." Why? Because injuries are playing havoc with the West. Nelson believes that with the Lakers missing center Andrew Bynum, nothing is guaranteed. "I don?t think everybody?s as deep as they thought," Nelson said. "Even the _Lakers_ (http://www.star-telegram.com/287/story/1279929.html#) are lacking something. They?re still winning, but they?re not as powerful.?... If Bynum doesn?t come back, they?re as vulnerable as anybody else who?s missing a major player." That said, playing the Lakers is a gamble of long odds. The Mavs have every reason to want to climb the ladder for a higher spot. Still, somebody who?s been there thinks anything?s possible. ? Eddie Sefko **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From troynsusiehash at alltel.net Fri Mar 27 05:13:13 2009 From: troynsusiehash at alltel.net (Troy Hash) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 01:13:13 -0400 Subject: Here's the thing about last night In-Reply-To: <359777.35886.qm@web110111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <359777.35886.qm@web110111.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bb01c9ae9a$bab1c960$6401a8c0@troyscomputer> Here is the problem I have with settling for the 3 spot. 1st round we could easily end up playing Miami who scares me a little bit with Wade avg. 40 a game for the last month. 2nd I take nothing for granted on the road during the playoffs, Atlanta taught us that last year. 3rd As I mentioned in a previous post, we are not playing well. We aren't beating any team easily right now injuries or not. When we struggle against Memphis, Clips, etc. I want home court more than ever! Troy -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Peter Delevett Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2009 3:19 PM To: celtics at igtc.com Subject: Here's the thing about last night Doc could have very well pulled out a win if he'd had KG in there in the final minutes instead of BB. But here's what I like about the decision: whether we get the 2 seed or the 3 seed, we're gonna play Orlando in the second round. Now they (and the Celtics themselves) know Boston can take their best shot, on the road, without Garnett and still come within an eyelash of stealing the win. And who knows, maybe Doc's even noticed that the #2 seed would play Detroit if the season ended right now, where the #3 seed would get Philly. I doubt Doc's really thinking that way, but I'd sure hate to see the Pistons in the first round. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2024 - Release Date: 3/26/2009 7:12 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.29/2024 - Release Date: 3/26/2009 7:12 AM From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 15:15:17 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 08:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Moore is awful!! In-Reply-To: <005e01c9adc7$ad3c5800$6401a8c0@troyscomputer> Message-ID: <191277.33363.qm@web63106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Agreed that Moore is just not a good rebounder.? If it comes right to him with nobody challenging it, sure he'll catch it.? But put anybody else around and he'll lose it more often than not.? The ball bounces off his fingers, or if he does catch it he's not strong enough to hold it against the other frontcourt guys.?? Very frustrating to watch!??? I hope Leon heals in enough time for the playoffs. And Doc should have put KG back in to win the damn game against Orlando. No way should we give them a taste of victory this close to the playoffs. I want to see Bill Walker in there! The guy is thunder, he can shoot outside, and Pierce needs a rest. Ellie --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Troy Hash wrote: From: Troy Hash Subject: Moore is awful!! To: "'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'" Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:02 AM I still think Marbury will help us, he deserves more time because he hasn't played for a year. But Moore, oh my, defensively, he makes Scalabrine look like KG!! He is terrible. 7 ft, played 12 minutes and 1, YES, 1 rebound and 4 fouls. Bill Walker needs to play more, period. Moore should not be in the rotation unless we are in deep foul trouble. Another question, if KG has been cleared to play by the doctors, after a week, why is he still not playing more than 15 minutes a game? Give him an extra day off, don't play him in back to back games, whatever, but the guy has to get in game shape and get rid of the rust of not playing for a month. The way we are playing now, we might not get past the 1st round regardless of who we play. We are having trouble beating the Grizzlies, Clippers, any team over the last month, so getting to Orlando, let alone the Cavs, is far from certain. I am a very concerned fan right now by the way we are playing. KG back full force will help, but I am not certain it is a cure at this point. Troy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release Date: 3/25/2009 7:16 AM _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Fri Mar 27 20:48:47 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2009 13:48:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Moore is awful!! In-Reply-To: <191277.33363.qm@web63106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <733497.35507.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yep, Moore has BAD hands. They're super small too. He also gets zero respect from the officials. Personally, I'd go with Bill Walker at backup power forward before I'd turn to Mikki Moore. Ryan --- On Fri, 3/27/09, Ellie Cutler wrote: > From: Ellie Cutler > Subject: Re: Moore is awful!! > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Friday, March 27, 2009, 10:15 AM > Agreed that Moore is just not a good rebounder.? If it > comes right to him with nobody challenging it, sure > he'll catch it.? But put anybody else around and > he'll lose it more often than not.? The ball bounces > off his fingers, or if he does catch it he's not strong > enough to hold it against the other frontcourt guys.?? > Very frustrating to watch!??? I hope Leon heals in enough > time for the playoffs. > > And Doc should have put KG back in to win the damn game > against Orlando. No way should we give them a taste of > victory this close to the playoffs. > > I want to see Bill Walker in there! The guy is thunder, he > can shoot outside, and Pierce needs a rest. > > Ellie > > --- On Thu, 3/26/09, Troy Hash > wrote: > From: Troy Hash > Subject: Moore is awful!! > To: "'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'" > > Date: Thursday, March 26, 2009, 12:02 AM > > I still think Marbury will help us, he deserves more time > because he hasn't > played for a year. But Moore, oh my, defensively, he > makes Scalabrine look > like KG!! He is terrible. 7 ft, played 12 minutes and 1, > YES, 1 rebound > and 4 fouls. Bill Walker needs to play more, period. > Moore should not be > in the rotation unless we are in deep foul trouble. > > Another question, if KG has been cleared to play by the > doctors, after a > week, why is he still not playing more than 15 minutes a > game? Give him an > extra day off, don't play him in back to back games, > whatever, but the guy > has to get in game shape and get rid of the rust of not > playing for a month. > The way we are playing now, we might not get past the 1st > round regardless > of who we play. We are having trouble beating the > Grizzlies, Clippers, any > team over the last month, so getting to Orlando, let alone > the Cavs, is far > from certain. I am a very concerned fan right now by the > way we are > playing. KG back full force will help, but I am not > certain it is a cure at > this point. Troy > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.28/2022 - Release > Date: 3/25/2009 > 7:16 AM > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pmaymin at gmail.com Sat Mar 28 09:17:42 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Phil Maymin) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 05:17:42 -0400 Subject: 'Nique on Baby? Message-ID: <8c863cee0903280217p5b48e63fkad02d3e906bf0ffd@mail.gmail.com> Was that Dominique Wilkins's voice saying Baby's block of Joe Johnson was one of the best blocks he'd seen in a long time? That was pretty sweet. From BDodgers at aol.com Sat Mar 28 17:05:53 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2009 13:05:53 EDT Subject: Big Dance, bigger mistakes Message-ID: Big Dance, bigger mistakes NBA teams that pay too much attention to the NCAA tourney get burned on draft day By Ric Bucher ESPN The Magazine With the NCAA tournament upon us, prepare to hear about the NBA draft stock of various players rising and falling with each shocking upset or overwhelming victory. It sounds crazy, right? NBA teams track star players through dozens of high school, AAU and earlier collegiate games. Then teams interview everyone and anyone near and dear to the players while also administering workouts and medical exams. Yet somehow, a few one-and-done contests against what are usually wholly unfamiliar opponents could determine players' professional futures. "We talk about this a lot," said one Western Conference front-office source. "We joke, 'He's 20th, now he's 17th ... " _Boston Celtics_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) GM _Danny Ainge_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3622) was a bit more blunt. "In some mock drafts you'll see players move 20 spots," he said. "The bad part about that is then the kids believe it and make decisions based on seeing that." Truth is, at this stage, NBA talent evaluators have collegiate players broken down by position but not ranked. But the hidden fact is that when the clock is ticking in June to make a selection, March Madness has re-emerged in more than one draft room and a few weeks' work by a player has tipped the scales on the final verdict. Most of the time, that has led to a bad decision. "Even though you have all that information, it's the last thing you see that can affect you," says Nets president Rod Thorn. "You have to try to guard against that." But it's not easy. "The seats suck, you're surrounded by 50,000 people and the atmosphere is unbelievable," says one GM, talking about scouting the NCAA tournament. "They call it March Madness for a reason. How are you not going to be affected by that? Then you spend another two weeks reading and listening about the guy. As long as you recognize that, you should be safe." One GM pegged _Joe Alexander_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3411) of West Virginia as the most recent example of a tourney-inflated pick. Alexander led the seventh-seeded Mountaineers to the Sweet 16 with a double-double against No. 2 Duke, then put up another double-double in losing to third-seeded Xavier. Considered wildly athletic but still raw, he was projected as a mid-first-round pick by most teams. The _Milwaukee Bucks_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=mil) took him eighth. Another GM says _Sean May_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2776) and _Juan Dixon_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1707) also benefitted from electric tournament runs. May, a 6-foot-9, 260-pound collegiate center, was a late first-round pick on most draft boards at the start of the 2005 tournament. But then he led North Carolina to its first NCAA title in 12 years and was named the Most Outstanding Player at the Final Four. The _Charlotte Bobcats_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=cha) rewarded him with the 13th pick of the '05 draft. Knee problems have limited May to 78 games over the course of four seasons. Dixon had similar success, leading Maryland to the 2002 title as an undersized shooting guard. Again, the closest NBA franchise got swept up in the local hoopla -- the Wizards made Dixon the 17th pick when some teams had him as a borderline first-rounder. One front-office source suggested guards are impacted far more than big men. "It seems to help guards and team leaders the most," said the exec, who pegged Syracuse point guard _Jonny Flynn_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/player/profile?playerId=36581) as primed to benefit from just such a bump. "Decision-makers see these guys and fall in love with them." But the tourney can also hurt their stock, once in a while. Ainge points to the 1986 draft as the most egregious example. Georgia Tech, led by point guard _Mark Price_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3822) and power forward _John Salley_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=746) , was a No. 2 seed that lost in the Sweet 16 to No. 11 LSU. Price had 20 points, but it took him nearly 10 minutes to score his first basket against a box-and-one defense, and he made only one shot in the last 6? minutes. Salley was even worse, finishing with 11 points. On draft day, though, Salley still went 11th to the Pistons, while "one of the best point guards in the last quarter century," according to Ainge, fell to the second round, where Dallas grabbed him with the 25th pick and promptly dealt him to Cleveland. The Price story is why Ainge says he gives more credence to performances in big regular-season games. "I'd probably put more emphasis on Duke-North Carolina in February than I would North Carolina-Villanova in the tournament because they know each other," he explains. "When teams don't, a player can have a major matchup advantage or disadvantage." And there's one more factor that makes tourney scouting a risky business. Many general managers believe that some college coaches don't play their best young players as much as the players' talent warrants, in order to keep them in school longer. But once teams get to the tournament, winning becomes the primary focus, and their playing time increases. If they respond with a great tournament run, as May's teammate, _Marvin Williams_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2797) , did as a freshman in 2005, the thinking goes, "Man, he could've been doing this all year." Not surprisingly, Williams vaulted up draft boards. How willing a GM is to listen to his support staff also can determine how much the tournament impacts a player's draft position. Scouts and other front-office personnel do the legwork and then target the players the GM or president should see live in the tourney, sometimes for the first time. Hence, the tempered opinions of the scouts and other evaluators may lose out to what a GM saw, heard and felt firsthand. Thunder GM Sam Presti, for one, has a built-in solution: He'll spend March scouting overseas talent and watch the necessary tournament games on tape when he returns. Because there's nothing like skipping March Madness altogether to avoid Draft Day Insanity. Ric Bucher is a senior writer at ESPN The Magazine. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sun Mar 29 12:01:03 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 05:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sunday morning thoughts Message-ID: <275246.5231.qm@web39608.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Best effort in memory:? Friday's entire game by the entire team.? Best flop by a supporting actor:? Josh Smith--two nominations for same category.? Just one year at Carolina and he would be so much more effective.? Most picky fouls called upon in a single game--Kendrick Perkins.? Best defensive intensity by entire team for a single game--Friday.? Most obvious "momentum enhancing foul calls" in a comeback--Friday's officials, with the possible exception of most Cavalier games when LeBron mounts a fourth quarter comeback.? Most unselfish Celtic:? about 8 or 9 nominees--think about that! With the exuberance about the win, some clear concerns remain.? Our bench responds well when key members play big minutes--Davis, Powe, House (sometimes).? When KG is healthy, they are less effective as a unit playing together or with Paul or Ray on the floor.? Providing cohesive defense and over 15 points is a must.? I'm one who thinks Tony's return can be a big plus for us--defensively, with some scoring, with relief for Paul/Ray; but getting him ready on short notice??? ? We go into the playoffs with multiple issues, but with a clear will to win and the best starting five in the league.? Plus, no team wants to go to the White House more than the Celtics.? Cheers, Gene From BDodgers at aol.com Sun Mar 29 17:54:16 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:54:16 EDT Subject: Posey suspended one game for ref incident Message-ID: Posey suspended one game for ref incident NEW ORLEANS (AP) - New Orleans Hornets forward James Posey has been suspended one game by the NBA for an incident with a referee. The Hornets announced the discipline on Sunday, saying that Posey would miss an important Southwest Division game against the San Antonio Spurs that night. Posey was ejected during a Hornets' loss Friday in New York against the Knicks after he threw the ball at feet of referee Gary Zielinski. Posey was reacting to a loose ball foul called against him as he was competing for a defensive rebound. Posey is averaging 8.9 points and 4.9 rebounds. He is the Hornets' primary reserve, and New Orleans routinely relies on his defensive ability late in close games. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Mar 29 20:46:57 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2009 13:46:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 'Nique on Baby? Message-ID: <623577.575.qm@web63802.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2009_03_27_Glen_Davis_has_19_points_as_Celtics_beat_Hawks_99-93/ In the end, Baby was still the big deal. His monster block of Joe Johnson in the second quarter - a power move that saw him stuff it at the point of release and hold on - was enough to impress Hawk legend Dominique Wilkins. ?That?s the best block I?ve seen in the last year,? Wilkins said. ?A block like that, now that gets my respect. That kid is good.? The video of Baby's block hasn't been uplaoded to YouTube yet, but this next one from Oklahoma was awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIL7aBu7kN4 --- Phil Maymin wrote: Was that Dominique Wilkins's voice saying Baby's block of Joe Johnson was one of the best blocks he'd seen in a long time? That was pretty sweet. Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From BDodgers at aol.com Mon Mar 30 23:45:15 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Mon, 30 Mar 2009 19:45:15 EDT Subject: Bynum's knee survives Playboy Mansion workout Message-ID: _Bynum's knee survives Playboy Mansion workout_ (http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/for_the_record/posts/59821-bynums-knee-survives-playboy-mansion-workout) * Posted by: _Arash Markazi_ (http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/for_the_record/posts?blogger_id=3987) Just like last season, the Lakers' chances of winning a championship may hinge on the health of Andrew Bynum, who has been out since February with a torn medial collateral ligament in his right knee. Coach Phil Jackson said recently that Bynum could be at least a few weeks away from returning. Now, I'm no doctor, of course, but at the Playboy Mansion on Saturday, the Lakers' 7-foot center looked to be well on the road to recovery. While the Lakers were in Atlanta preparing for what would be an 86-76 loss to the Hawks on Sunday, Bynum was in Los Angeles mingling at a pajamas and lingerie party after the Playboy Golf Finals. Wearing a green smoking jacket and slippers, Bynum, whose injury status is generating daily headlines in Los Angeles, partied like a rock star near the infamous grotto. He picked up Playmate Nicole Narain and placed her on his shoulders and got somebody to take a picture with his digital camera. Upper-body strength, check. He hopped over a velvet rope near the DJ booth so he could take a picture with Narain and other Playmates who ended up sitting on his lap. Jumping ability, check. He sidestepped a few of the roaming cameras and got down with some Playmates on the checkered dance floor set up in the backyard. Lateral movement, check. Later, with lines around the bar getting longer, he pulled out a bottled beverage from one pocket and four plastic cups from another and offered up drinks to three Playmates who were with him. Ability to adjust to game situations, check. The scene reminded me of seeing pitcher Brad Penny at the mansion last season during a Dodgers game while he was on the disabled list. When I asked Penny if he was keeping track of the game, he took one look at his surroundings and said, "No, would you?" If Bynum isn't healthy enough to play, should he be able to live out his Playboy fantasy in the meantime? Maybe, but while he's rehabbing his injury and the Lakers play shorthanded without him, perhaps it'd be wise for him to keep a low profile and sit out a couple of pajama parties. The grotto and Playmates will still be there. The Lakers can only hope the same can be said for Bynum come playoff time. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Tue Mar 31 10:37:43 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 06:37:43 -0400 Subject: Bynum's knee survives Playboy Mansion workout In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200903311037.n2VAbmIS013183@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> Hey, I didn't see this specialized rehab program in the Harvard Pilgrim brochure when I hurt my knee! What the heck!?! I wonder if I can sue for "pain and suffering"? -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of BDodgers at aol.com Sent: Monday, March 30, 2009 7:45 PM To: celtics at igtc.com; Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com Subject: Bynum's knee survives Playboy Mansion workout _Bynum's knee survives Playboy Mansion workout_ (http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/for_the_record/posts/59821-bynums-knee-survives-playboy-mansion-workout) * Posted by: _Arash Markazi_ (http://www.fannation.com/si_blogs/for_the_record/posts?blogger_id=3987) Just like last season, the Lakers' chances of winning a championship may hinge on the health of Andrew Bynum, who has been out since February with a torn medial collateral ligament in his right knee. Coach Phil Jackson said recently that Bynum could be at least a few weeks away from returning. Now, I'm no doctor, of course, but at the Playboy Mansion on Saturday, the Lakers' 7-foot center looked to be well on the road to recovery. While the Lakers were in Atlanta preparing for what would be an 86-76 loss to the Hawks on Sunday, Bynum was in Los Angeles mingling at a pajamas and lingerie party after the Playboy Golf Finals. Wearing a green smoking jacket and slippers, Bynum, whose injury status is generating daily headlines in Los Angeles, partied like a rock star near the infamous grotto. He picked up Playmate Nicole Narain and placed her on his shoulders and got somebody to take a picture with his digital camera. Upper-body strength, check. He hopped over a velvet rope near the DJ booth so he could take a picture with Narain and other Playmates who ended up sitting on his lap. Jumping ability, check. He sidestepped a few of the roaming cameras and got down with some Playmates on the checkered dance floor set up in the backyard. Lateral movement, check. Later, with lines around the bar getting longer, he pulled out a bottled beverage from one pocket and four plastic cups from another and offered up drinks to three Playmates who were with him. Ability to adjust to game situations, check. The scene reminded me of seeing pitcher Brad Penny at the mansion last season during a Dodgers game while he was on the disabled list. When I asked Penny if he was keeping track of the game, he took one look at his surroundings and said, "No, would you?" If Bynum isn't healthy enough to play, should he be able to live out his Playboy fantasy in the meantime? Maybe, but while he's rehabbing his injury and the Lakers play shorthanded without him, perhaps it'd be wise for him to keep a low profile and sit out a couple of pajama parties. The grotto and Playmates will still be there. The Lakers can only hope the same can be said for Bynum come playoff time. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From BDodgers at aol.com Tue Mar 31 20:41:08 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 16:41:08 EDT Subject: Roundtable: Disappointing players Message-ID: Roundtable: Disappointing players Story Highlights Baron Davis, Eddy Curry rank among biggest disappointments of 2008-09 season Offseason could prove busy for teams looking to unload high-salaried players Debating Magic coach Stan Van Gundy's motives in criticizing referees and teams SI.com NBA writers analyze the latest news and address hot topics from around the league each week. (All stats and records are through Monday.) 1. Excluding players who have been hurt most of the year, who has left you feeling he could have accomplished more this season than he did? Ian Thomsen: My first thought is to look at the _Phoenix Suns_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/suns) , who have too much talent -- _Steve Nash_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3103) , _Shaquille O'Neal_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/847/index.html) , _Amar'e Stoudemire_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3607/index.html) , _Grant Hill_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/2626) , _Jason Richardson_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3515) , _Leandro Barbosa_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3731) -- to be missing the playoffs. But you can't criticize them without also blaming a number of management decisions that affected the style of play. _Eddy Curry_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3514) has had a horrible year personally, and he is deserving of sympathy. But professionally he arrived to camp overweight and never recovered. _Baron Davis_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3326) has been fighting injuries, but overall the year he's had affirms the decision by the Warriors to not give him a long-term deal last summer. Jack McCallum: Boy, this is a tough one. Can you be disappointed in someone you didn't believe in that much to begin with? (Hello, New York's _Chris Duhon_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3855) .) Can you be disappointed in someone who's having a pretty good statistical season? (Hello, Toronto's _Chris Bosh_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3707) .) Can you be disappointed in someone who you're almost always disappointed in? (Hello, Detroit's _Rasheed Wallace_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3006) .) Can you be disappointed in someone who has stopped being a gunner and now doesn't shoot enough? (Hello, Minnesota's _Mike Miller_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3404) .) And can you be disappointed in someone while acknowledging that he has had injury problems? (Hello, Detroit's _Allen Iverson_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3094) and the Clippers' Davis). Hmm, I guess I just gave my list. Chris Mannix: Curry pocketed $9.7 million of James Dolan's cash this season and for that he has given the Knicks a grand total of five minutes. Yes, Curry was hampered by a knee injury early in the season, but he has been healthy for weeks (if not months) and still can't crack a lineup that is desperate (repeat, desperate) for fresh, healthy bodies. Curry didn't do himself any favors by showing up to training camp overweight; he never recovered from that. Curry has two years and $21.8 million left on his contract, but it wouldn't surprise me if the Knicks try to negotiate a buyout with him if they believe he isn't committed to getting back into shape. Steve Aschburner: My default response to this sort of question is Rasheed. I'm convinced we never have and never will see the best of him, based on sheer ability and reachable potential, because he doesn't burn to be great. OK, now that I've got that off my chest, I'm nominating Davis. In what was supposed to be an exciting Clippers resurgence and serious Staples Center synergy with the Lakers, Davis' arrival has been a flop. The Clips were 8-23 through December, 2-11 while their $65 million point guard nursed a tailbone injury, then 8-20. Now Davis is out with a calf strain and stomach ulcers. How do you think those paying him, and paying to watch him, feel? His 15.4 ppg is Davis' lowest since his second season and his 36.9 percent field-goal shooting is the worst of his career. I'm not cutting him slack for the injuries, I know, but guys who underachieve seem to get hurt more, and stay hurt longer, in this league. *** 2. Talk has swirled since the trade deadline that some big-name, big-salaried players could be dealt for financial reasons as much as basketball ones. Who are some players you foresee moving this summer under those circumstances? Ian Thomsen: Bosh could be dealt, depending on Toronto's strategy moving forward. In his case, he would be traded if the Raptors believed he was going to leave in 2010. Cleveland also could make a move with _Ben Wallace_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3149) , who has a big expiring contract worth $14 million next season. The Suns are obviously loaded with expiring contracts (Shaq, Stoudemire, Nash) that could be moved. Elsewhere, New Jersey's _Vince Carter_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3248) and Milwaukee's _Michael Redd_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3442) or _Richard Jefferson_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3523) will be some of the more expensive names on the market. There will be a number of players making less than $10 million who will be available, and because the market will be so crowded, their teams shouldn't expect to receive much value in return. Jack McCallum: Well, allowing for the fact that you need at least one other team to make a trade, and that draft-lottery placement will be a factor -- in other words, at this point no one knows anything -- this would be my list: _Jermaine O'Neal_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3120/index.html) , _Marcus Camby_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3084) , _Tracy McGrady_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3179) and Carter. (Of course, I mention Carter ever year.) Despite the speculation that is sure to surround Phoenix, I don't see the Suns getting sufficient return to deal either Nash or Shaq. Chris Mannix: I've been hearing whispers that the losses being incurred by many teams are a lot more substantial than what is being reported, so I wouldn't be surprised if more than a few players with sizable contracts are unloaded for cheaper alternatives. Especially since there will be a few buyers out there, specifically Detroit, Oklahoma City and Memphis. As to who might be on the move, if the Raptors are convinced that Bosh isn't interested in re-signing in 2010, I think they will listen to offers. The Hornets were willing to deal _Tyson Chandler_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3512) for 25 cents on the dollar last month, so I can't see any reason for them not to put him on the market this summer, especially when at least eight teams called to express interest in the 7-foot-1 center. And with the Suns still trying to decide if they want to be Dr. Jekyll (a half-court team) or Mr. Hyde (an up-tempo team), Stoudemire could find himself back on the market. So, too, might Nash, who has a contract that expires in 2010. Steve Aschburner: Chandler would be gone from New Orleans now if not for that darn big toe of his, so he figures to be on the block again, for the same monetary reason as in February. Another possibility, whose team has both financial and basketball motives, is Chicago's _Kirk Hinrich_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3710) , who is making $10 million this season, has three more years on his deal and has way more value for another club than he does in a Bulls backcourt rotation. 3. Stan Van Gundy has criticized everyone from the officials, to Shaq, to the Celtics for their concern over injuries, to the Knicks for not hiring _Patrick Ewing_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/106) . Is the Magic coach speaking the truth or are these just sour grapes? Ian Thomsen: Who is the strong voice on that team? They don't have one. In some way he is letting everyone know that the Magic are going to demand respect, that they plan to go far this year and they don't mind making enemies along the way. They have a reputation around the league (based in no small part on being clobbered by the Pistons in recent years) for being a meek, finesse, three-point-shooting team, even though they're among the league leaders defensively. So I think Van Gundy is trying to set an aggressive example for his players heading into the playoffs by lashing out a little bit. It's not a major strategic move on his part, but it's a small step in transforming his team into a contender. Jack McCallum: Coaches are quoted almost every day from the beginning of October until the end of the season, so it's unwise to toss all of those comments into one bag and proclaim it either "garbage" or "gold." Van Gundy went after the Celtics because he feels that his team isn't getting its proper respect. That puts him in the company of -- let's see -- every other coach who ever lived, including Vince Lombardi. SVG went after the officials because that's what coaches do. He went after Shaq to protect his own player, _Dwight Howard_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3818) , and he went after the Knicks to protect his own assistant, Ewing. Yes, the comments about the Knicks' disrespecting Ewing were unfair. But you can't say the man isn't keeping things interesting in Orlando, where -- let's face it -- things just aren't that interesting. Now he'll come after me. Chris Mannix: Reporters hate "coach-speak," which we loosely define as a laughable quote given just to prevent any bruised feelings. So why are we hating on Van Gundy for telling the truth? Sure, Van Gundy could be more careful with his words (Shaq was right -- he's not a flopper, though he did flop on that one play), but I like the coach's honesty. Is more attention given to the Celtics' injury woes than the Magic's? Yes. Do the Knicks patronize Ewing? I don't know about that, but as someone who has known Ewing for a few years, I respect his opinion. Steve Aschburner: No problem with Van Gundy and whatever he's saying (can't claim to have absorbed it all). Still, his tone and timing were off in blaming the Knicks for honoring Ewing as a great alumnus even though they never interviewed him for coaching vacancies, and he easily could have let the "Shaq flopped" thing pass. Maybe he does feel a little overlooked, under-respected and defensive for his team. But Shaq brutalized him by hanging that "panic" label on Van Gundy, and he still seems like the wounded party from the Miami exit in 2005. Besides, in our business, if the players and the coaches aren't talking, then guys like us get stuck trying to make something out of nothing. *** 4. With about two weeks left in the regular season, which awards race is the toughest to handicap? Ian Thomsen: Coach of the Year is always the hardest to pick. More than a dozen are worthy, from Mike Brown, Van Gundy, Rick Adelman, George Karl and Nate McMillan at the top; to usual suspects Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson, Gregg Popovich and Jerry Sloan; to the likes of Scott Skiles, Larry Brown and Mike D'Antoni, who have done a lot with a little. I'm leaning toward Mike Brown, but I never feel good about the coaches I leave off my ballot. Jack McCallum: I wouldn't have said this a few weeks ago, but now I'm going with the MVP race. _LeBron James_ (http://sportsill ustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3704) , my pick all season, will still probably win. But how can any voter ignore the Hornets' _Chris Paul_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3930) and the Heat's _Dwyane Wade_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3708) ? And that's not even to bring _Kobe Bryant_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3118) into the conversation. This MVP thing is really going to take some study, and at the end of the year we'll be tearing our hair out dealing with unanswerable questions such as, How much does a team's finish have to do with MVP? Chris Mannix: I'm having real problems deciding the Defensive Player of the Year. If _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3007) were healthy, it wouldn't be a contest. Garnett is such a great team defender and his leadership on that end makes Boston a scary defensive unit. But Garnett's injury problems in the second half make me think the award should go to a player who has produced night in, night out for the majority of the season. And that feeling is nudging me in the direction of the Magic's Howard. He has become a superb shot-blocker (3.0 per game) who, thanks to the Magic's smallish lineup, is completely responsible for controlling the defensive backboards (a league-best 673 defensive rebounds). And he has played in 70 of Orlando's 73 games this season. Tough call. Steve Aschburner: Coach of the Year always is a mystery, and it arguably is the third biggest of the six big awards. When the Lakers' Jackson can win nine NBA titles but one COY award, when Sloan can win 1,135 games and change jobs once in forever, yet never win the honor, then something is off. The criteria change, the sentiments change and the tendency to reward those who boost their clubs from mediocre to good (but not great) is a standard that would cause an uproar in MVP balloting. This year, does Mike Brown get the nod for nailing down the top seed in Cleveland? What about Van Gundy, who had to change point guards in midstream? Karl might be doing his best and calmest work ever, and is overdo for some love here. But then, so is Sloan, who had better get a Paul Newman-like lifetime achievement Oscar soon. And here we are overlooking Jackson again. I have zero idea how this is going to go. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From BDodgers at aol.com Tue Mar 31 21:18:18 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:18:18 EDT Subject: Lakers' bench must step up Message-ID: Lakers' bench must step up (http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/Charley-Rosen?authorId=227) _by Charley Rosen_ (http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/Charley-Rosen?authorId=227) Charley Rosen is FOXSports.com's NBA analyst and author of 15 books about hoops, the current ones being _The First Tip-Off: The Incredible Story of the Birth of the NBA_ (http://www.amazon.com/First-Tip-Off-Incredible-Story-Birth/dp/0071487859/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221776146&sr=8-2) and _No Blood, No Foul_ (http://www.amazon.com/No-Blood-Foul-Charley-Rosen/dp/1583228284/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207952386&sr=1-1) . Game time: _Lakers 92, Pistons 77_ (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9385498/Kobe-gets-30-as-Lakers-pull-away-from-Pistons) For the first game of a back-to-back stretch on the road, the best the Lakers could wish for was a blowout win that would enable Phil Jackson to limit his starters' minutes. Since Rasheed Wallace, Rip Hamilton and Allen Iverson were out with injuries, it seemed as though the Lakers could easily make this come true. However, even without three starters, Detroit was still a dangerous ball club. Surely one or more of the Pistons' subs would relish, and take full advantage of, the opportunity offered by their increased playing time. Some of the above possibilities came to pass and some of them did not. As a result the ball game had three distinct phases. First phase The Lakers came out smoking. They ran the triangle with energy and precision, attacked Aaron Afflalo's inept defense and owned their defensive glass. Both Kobe Bryant and Lamar Odom were hitting their jumpers, which opened cutting and driving lanes for everybody else. Moreover, the Lakers absolutely swarmed the Pistons on defense, making excellent rotations and judiciously jumping into passing lanes. As an unexpected twist, on one sequence L.A. doubled Kwame Brown in the low post ? not because Brown is a dynamic scorer, but because his hands are notoriously weak and passing out of a double team is something that he's rarely required to do. As a result, the ploy totally disrupted Detroit's offense and Tayshaun Prince was forced to heave up (and miss) a midrange jumper under severe pressure. Another changeup by the Lakers ? who are usually reluctant to double anybody ? was to trap Prince high on the right wing. Here, too, the surprise move led to the Pistons' misfiring an awkward shot. The visitors led 25-12 after the first quarter, and it looked like the game would be a breeze. Surely the Lakers' second unit would pad the margin and the starters would be well rested and ready to cut down the Nets on Friday. Second phase In a word, the Lakers' subs were awful. Pau Gasol was the only holdover starter, and his temporary mates included Luke Walton, Sasha Vujacic, Jordan Farmar and Josh Powell. All of a sudden, the triangle flat-lined. Passes were thrown to nobody. Layups and open jumpers were missed. Shots were forced and shots were blocked. The bench men couldn't find the basket with a road map. At the other end, nobody could keep Will Bynum out of the lane. And it was Bynum ? with his 25 points and 11 assists ? who single-handedly turned the game. Suddenly, Bynum's passes found open shooters and the Pistons' shots began to fall. In less than five minutes, Detroit went on a 17-0 tear and eventually turned its deficit into a 10-point lead. Instead of getting his starters a long rest, Jackson was forced to insert them back into the game much quicker than he wanted to. But even though Kobe, Odom, Trevor Ariza and Derek Fisher re-entered the game at about the eight-minute mark, the Pistons were amped up and the Lakers' starters had trouble getting their groove back. As a result, the Lakers didn't score their first point in the disastrous second quarter until the clock had flashed down to 6:46! Third phase Down 50-40, Kobe took over. Scoring on twisting jumpers and dunk-punctuated drives. Dropping assists to Odom and Fisher. Smothering Prince with ferocious denial defense. And registering nine of his 30 points during the eight-plus minutes he played in the decisive third quarter. Aided by Fisher's long-range shooting, Kobe led the Lakers to a 30-5 burst that put the game away for good. When it was time for the Lakers' second unit to re-enter the game late in the third quarter, Jackson kept Powell on the bench and had Farmar, Vujacic and Walton playing with Gasol and Odom. (After a few minutes, Gasol was replaced by D.J. Mbenga.) The Lakers had a 12-point lead when this particular five was on the court, and the lead remained intact when Kobe, Fisher, Ariza and Gasol returned. Basketball protocol demands that the coach on the short end of the score concede the game by making the first move to insert his subs and remove his starters. Which is exactly what Michael Curry did with 2:35 remaining and Detroit trailing by 14 points. Jackson waited another minute before he followed suit. Even so, Gasol logged 40 minutes, while Odom had 39 and Kobe had 38. That's a lot of time and a lot of mileage for the Lakers' core players in what might have been a laugher against a drastically short-handed team. How will this game impact Friday's visit to New Jersey? Will Jackson tinker with his substitution pattern? Will Kobe, Gasol and Odom be able to recover their chops overnight? And, given the late arrival in New York ? the Lakers' hotel of choice is across the Hudson ? what shape and form will their game preparation take? Especially since the Lakers haven't played the Nets since Nov. 25. Will L.A. have a shoot-around to go over the scouting report? Or will some pre-game verbal and X's and O's instructions suffice? And how do players react to back-to-back games? Are their game-day routines the same or are they altered? All of these questions will be answered when yours truly returns from the Izod Center after eyeballing the game and interviewing several participants. Straight shooting Here's another in my never-ending series of lists. In fact, this just might be the mother of all lists. The following players demonstrate the highest basketball IQ's in the league. Not to be confused with sheer talent, the qualifications for this category include: A player knowing his role, which means appreciating both his strengths and his weaknesses. Also, a player being aware that his role might change depending on the personnel of his team or the moment. Being cognizant of the game situation. Score. Time and timeouts. Team fouls and individual fouls. Matchups. Referees' favorite calls. Knowing both teams' respective game plans. Having his teammates and the opponents well scouted. Seeing the floor and knowing who's where, plus who's supposed to be where, plus knowing who's likely to be where and when they'll get there Recognizing destinations when opposing players cut or drive. Getting the most out of their skills, no matter how bounteous or limited these might be. In alphabetical order, the current crop of hoop geniuses include: Ray Allen, Shane Battier, Chauncey Billups, Bruce Bowen, Nick Collison, Jarron and Jason Collins, Tim Duncan, Michael Finley, Derek Fisher, Jeff Foster, Pau Gasol, Manu Ginobili, Grant Hill, Jason Kidd, Sean Marks (who's from New Zealand, not Australia as I had previously written!), Andre Miller, Dikembe Mutombo, Steve Nash, Fabricio Oberto, Chris Paul, Malik Rose and Deron Williams. What are the qualities of a player with a low basketball IQ? Selfishness to the point where his personal game plan is more important than his team's game plan. Therefore he tends to abort plays. Thinks shot first, and passes only when he's likely to get credit for an assist. Resists coaching. Is often undisciplined. Doesn't work hard either in practice or the offseason. Either can't or won't concentrate during tape or blackboard sessions. Loses his connection with a game when he's on the bench. Is only aware of four things on offense ? himself, the ball, his defender and the basket. Doesn't believe he has any weaknesses, and that all of his failures can be blamed on others ? his coach, teammates, the media, the phases of the moon. Isn't always mentally and emotionally prepared to play. Plays best against the worst teams and vice versa. Never fully realizes his potential. It should be noted that inclusion in this category does not necessarily mean that the player is lacking in overall intelligence. Carmelo Anthony, Gilbert Arenas, Matt Barnes, Marcus Camby, Vince Carter, Jamal Crawford, Monta Ellis, Gerald Green, Allen Iverson, Damon Jones, Corey Maggette, Jamario Moon, Lamar Odom, Vladimir Radmanovich, Josh Smith, J.R. Smith, Amar'e Stoudemire, Tim Thomas and Jamaal Tinsley. It should also be noted that over the course of a player's career, his basketball IQ can definitely be raised, but is rarely if ever lowered. Vox populi If you were building a brand new NBA team and you could pick three players who were 26 or under off of any existing team who would you pick and why?? Jeffrey Jones, Sandy, Ore. LeBron James, Dwight Howard and Deron Williams. LBJ for his versatility, explosiveness to the hoop, competitive nature, strength, ability to light up a scoreboard, the necessity of opponents' having to double team him which opens up so many offensive possibilities for his teammates ? and above all his sincere desire to improve his defense and his shooting. Howard for his board-power, shot-blocking, and improving offensive repertoire. I'd also pay whatever it would take to hire Clifford Ray as his mentor. Williams is the pick simply because LBJ's shot is so erratic that the point guard has to be a knockdown shooter ? which disqualifies Chris Paul. Travels with Charley It was the last day of the 1974-75 season and the Knicks were playing an afternoon home game against the Buffalo Braves. To make the playoffs, the Knicks needed to win, and the Cavs (who played later that afternoon) needed to lose. My then-wife and I brought our 6-month old son, Darrell, to the game. June Jackson (Phil's then-wife) also brought their 4-month old daughter, Chelsea, along too. All snuggled in their portable basket/cribs the two infants snoozed throughout the game, blissfully oblivious to the thunderous crowd noise and the raucous celebration when the Knicks finally pulled the game out. Immediately after Phil had showered and dressed, we all scooted over to his 19th Street loft and arrived in time to see the last quarter of the Cleveland game. With 10 seconds on the clock and down by two points, the Cavs huddled around their coach during their final timeout while Bill Fitch masterminded the most critical play of his team's season. We could tell by Fitch's frantic scribbling on his miniature game board, and by his team's utter confusion when they attempted to inbound the ball from the sideline that the play he had drawn up was an improvisation and was not in the Cavs' playbook. This was a bad idea. And the result was a bad pass and nary a shot. The Knicks were in with a record of 40-42, and the Cavs were out. Immediately after the final buzzer, Phil's phone rang. It was Walt Frazier inviting his teammates and their guests to a celebratory party at his luxurious midtown apartment. Of course, we had to bring the kids. The bathtub in Frazier's master bathroom was loaded with ice, beer, wine and champagne. The large dining room table was loaded with cartons of takeout Chinese food. And, besides the Knicks themselves, several other New York sports celebrities were on hand. Everybody was instructed to deposit their coats on either of the two beds in the bedroom nearest the front door. And, carefully arranging protected areas for Darrell and Chelsea, we carefully laid them down when they both fell asleep again. Every fifteen minutes or so, one of the four parents peeked into the room to check on the kids' well-being ? and I was astonished at what I saw when it was my turn. Chelsea was awake and merrily chortling, but Darrell was wide awake and laughing as though he was being tickled. In fact, two men were standing on opposite sides of the bed and tossing Darrell back and forth! One of them was Spider Lockhart, a glue-fingered free safety for the New York Giants. The other was Nate Bowman, a backup center for the Knicks whose assist-to-turnover ratio was an exercise in negativity. And both were laughing, bobbing and weaving in a mild alcoholic haze. "Nate," I said with as much nonchalance as I could muster. "Don't drop him, man." "No chance, bro," he said. Whereupon Bowman set himself to receive the incoming baby, and slyly bounced him in the air before securing him. I didn't know what to do or say, so I hustled back into the living room and relayed my worries to Phil. "Don't worry, Charley," said Phil. "Nate can catch all right. Everything will be OK as long he doesn't try to dribble the boy." Darrell survived, and the Knicks lost a three-game series to Houston. Thirty-three years later, both Bowman and Lockhart have passed away. And Darrell is now a red-bearded, 6-7, 280-pounder, and living with his wife and their three kids in Bellingham, Wash. Until now, Darrell never knew that he was one dribble away from disaster. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001)