From hartleyo at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec  1 00:47:53 2009
From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net (hartleyo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:47:53 -0500
Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
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Didn't know, really could care less. It is his personal issue, not ours, but 
certainly doesn't make him an obnoxious jerk. If that is some sort of a 
criteria could probably eliminate 25-30% of the NBA.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shawn Niles" <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
To: "Celtics List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:37 PM
Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age


>
> Child out of wedlock that you then pretended didn't exist and ignored for 
> the most part?
>
>> From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net
>> To: celtics at igtc.com
>> Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:21:48 -0500
>>
>> We even have obnoxious jerks on this list, but I asume that most are good
>> people and good family men and women. As far as KG or Bird, has any one
>> heard or know of something he did off the court that would make him an
>> obnoxious jerk. I haven't.
>>
>> Hart
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
>> To: <celtics at igtc.com>
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:09 PM
>> Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>>
>>
>> > It takes all kinds. I've known obnoxious jerks on the court that I 
>> > could
>> > completely hang for beers afterwards (in fact some were often team
>> > "wingmen" so to speak). I've also known simply obnoxious jerks. Many 
>> > times
>> > the team would put up with A LOT because also unfortunately the worst
>> > personalities were usually the BEST player (and quite frequently by a
>> > large margin). It would makes sense that one often goes with the other 
>> > due
>> > to the old adage:
>> >
>> > Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>> >
>> > If you were told from about age 8 that you were a God...why would you 
>> > not
>> > act like one? There are exceptions of course...we are human and all
>> > different in our sameness after all, but often having that mentality
>> > pressed upon you from adolescence through teens and so on by family,
>> > friends, agents, and fans would tend to stick in some matter or 
>> > fashion.
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On 
>> > Behalf
>> > Of douglas342 at aol.com
>> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:23 PM
>> > To: celtics at igtc.com
>> > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> >
>> > And does the alpha behavior end at the clubhouse door? If a player is
>> > an obnoxious alpha pup (and Egg's description of KG meets that
>> > criterion), is his behavior and resultant anger done when they exit the
>> > building? Does KG mellow out and join the boys for a beer after the
>> > game, acting as if all were cool?
>> >
>> > I don't know why this interests me, but pro athletes are extraordinary
>> > people with huge egos, from KG on down to guys like Scal, who would not
>> > be in the NBA if they weren't driven. Put another way, they're all
>> > slightly unbalanced, aren't they?
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
>> > To: celtics at igtc.com
>> > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:02 am
>> > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> >
>> >
>> > So given the many alpha male types littering NBA locker rooms two
>> > questions
>> > immediately arise.
>> >
>> > 1. Given the throughput of players no longer beholden to the Cs (and
>> > some in
>> > fact outright aggressive in their dislike of the team, coach, GM,
>> > whatever) how
>> > has this not been outted before?
>> >
>> > 2. Sort of answering #1 with another question...is there an "Klingon
>> > Code of
>> > Honor" among NBA players wherein they do not out their brethren unless
>> > so outted
>> > themselves?
>> >
>> > Those that have played sports at any level know that fights occur. Even
>> > in
>> > practice. Even among friends. Even to the MOST level headed, much less
>> > the
>> > least. I would surmise much is forgiven in the heat of "combat". Were
>> > it truly
>> > indefensible recurring abuse at what point does "winning" overtake the
>> > ability
>> > for players to "come to work each and every day"? They say winning
>> > cures all
>> > ills. If the team continues to play in an up and down rollercoaster
>> > manner -
>> > will such past piccadilloes (true or not) rise to the surface as
>> > fragmentary
>> > forces?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>> > Behalf Of
>> > eggcentric at aol.com
>> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:52 PM
>> > To: celtics at igtc.com
>> > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> >
>> > Also, how many times has he lost it in practice and actually smacked a
>> > teammate
>> > in the face
>> > both in Minny and now here? A L O T.
>> >
>> >
>> > I do appreciate his talent, yet he's my least favorite Celt player.
>> > It's a
>> > credit to Ray Allen and
>> > Pierce that they understand and put up with his "personality." The
>> > well put
>> > together Ray has
>> > several times stood up to him over his foul language and bullying ways
>> > while the
>> > younger players
>> > remain intimidated by him.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Enrile, Roy <renrile at qualcomm.com>
>> > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
>> > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24 pm
>> > Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> >
>> >
>> > Agreed that K.G.'s out of control energy/crudeness is one of a kind in
>> > NBA
>> > history.
>> >
>> > The other week as Sheed/KG sat down for a timeout after some physical
>> > defensive
>> > plays, the cameraman kneeled right in their faces for a very closeup
>> > shot, Kevin
>> >
>> > turns to Rasheed & shouts,
>> >
>> > "We gonna bully these N!!!'s". "We gonna bully these N!!!'s".
>> >
>> > It was load and clear on National TV (not NewEngland). Even the most
>> > insane NFL
>> >
>> > players have more self control in front of a mic than that :)
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>> > Behalf Of
>> > eggcentric
>> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:19 AM
>> >
>> > Has any player in the history of the NBA been so intense, so proud, so
>> > crude, so
>> > whacko, so hyper, so bent on being the best? He certainly is one of a
>> > kind.
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> > celtics at igtc.com
>> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > celtics at igtc.com
>> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> > celtics at igtc.com
>> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > celtics at igtc.com
>> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>> >
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From shizzjr at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  1 01:22:21 2009
From: shizzjr at hotmail.com (Shawn Niles)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:22:21 -0500
Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
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Well Newman is a bad example because he is one of my favorite all time TV characters...  lol...


 
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:59:54 -0500
> From: douglas342 at aol.com
> 
> 1. Wasn't this daughter the result of a brief first marriage? Other 
> than that, though, you're right - he did ignore her for the most part. 
> (If there was another child, I don't know about it.)
> 
> 2. And no, even doing that doesn't make you an unlikeable person/total 
> jerk. It makes you someone who may have made a very bad choice and may 
> have damaged someone, but you might still be a fine person and 
> teammate. A total jerk is someone who makes you want to turn the other 
> way when they walk into the room: think Newman in Seinfeld; Percy in 
> "The Green Mile."
> 
> (PS: I have really enjoyed this brief thread. Thanks to all who have 
> participated.)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37 pm
> Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> 
> 
> 
> Child out of wedlock that you then pretended didn't exist and ignored 
> for the
> most part?
> 
> > From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:21:48 -0500
> >
> > We even have obnoxious jerks on this list, but I asume that most are 
> good
> > people and good family men and women. As far as KG or Bird, has any 
> one
> > heard or know of something he did off the court that would make him 
> an
> > obnoxious jerk. I haven't.
> >
> > Hart
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> > To: <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> >
> >
> > > It takes all kinds. I've known obnoxious jerks on the court that I 
> could
> > > completely hang for beers afterwards (in fact some were often team
> > > "wingmen" so to speak). I've also known simply obnoxious jerks. 
> Many times
> > > the team would put up with A LOT because also unfortunately the 
> worst
> > > personalities were usually the BEST player (and quite frequently by 
> a
> > > large margin). It would makes sense that one often goes with the 
> other due
> > > to the old adage:
> > >
> > > Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
> > >
> > > If you were told from about age 8 that you were a God...why would 
> you not
> > > act like one? There are exceptions of course...we are human and all
> > > different in our sameness after all, but often having that 
> mentality
> > > pressed upon you from adolescence through teens and so on by 
> family,
> > > friends, agents, and fans would tend to stick in some matter or 
> fashion.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On 
> Behalf
> > > Of douglas342 at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:23 PM
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > > And does the alpha behavior end at the clubhouse door? If a player 
> is
> > > an obnoxious alpha pup (and Egg's description of KG meets that
> > > criterion), is his behavior and resultant anger done when they exit 
> the
> > > building? Does KG mellow out and join the boys for a beer after the
> > > game, acting as if all were cool?
> > >
> > > I don't know why this interests me, but pro athletes are 
> extraordinary
> > > people with huge egos, from KG on down to guys like Scal, who would 
> not
> > > be in the NBA if they weren't driven. Put another way, they're all
> > > slightly unbalanced, aren't they?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:02 am
> > > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > >
> > > So given the many alpha male types littering NBA locker rooms two
> > > questions
> > > immediately arise.
> > >
> > > 1. Given the throughput of players no longer beholden to the Cs (and
> > > some in
> > > fact outright aggressive in their dislike of the team, coach, GM,
> > > whatever) how
> > > has this not been outted before?
> > >
> > > 2. Sort of answering #1 with another question...is there an "Klingon
> > > Code of
> > > Honor" among NBA players wherein they do not out their brethren 
> unless
> > > so outted
> > > themselves?
> > >
> > > Those that have played sports at any level know that fights occur. 
> Even
> > > in
> > > practice. Even among friends. Even to the MOST level headed, much 
> less
> > > the
> > > least. I would surmise much is forgiven in the heat of "combat". 
> Were
> > > it truly
> > > indefensible recurring abuse at what point does "winning" overtake 
> the
> > > ability
> > > for players to "come to work each and every day"? They say winning
> > > cures all
> > > ills. If the team continues to play in an up and down rollercoaster
> > > manner -
> > > will such past piccadilloes (true or not) rise to the surface as
> > > fragmentary
> > > forces?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > eggcentric at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:52 PM
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > > Also, how many times has he lost it in practice and actually 
> smacked a
> > > teammate
> > > in the face
> > > both in Minny and now here? A L O T.
> > >
> > >
> > > I do appreciate his talent, yet he's my least favorite Celt player.
> > > It's a
> > > credit to Ray Allen and
> > > Pierce that they understand and put up with his "personality." The
> > > well put
> > > together Ray has
> > > several times stood up to him over his foul language and bullying 
> ways
> > > while the
> > > younger players
> > > remain intimidated by him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Enrile, Roy <renrile at qualcomm.com>
> > > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24 pm
> > > Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > >
> > > Agreed that K.G.'s out of control energy/crudeness is one of a kind 
> in
> > > NBA
> > > history.
> > >
> > > The other week as Sheed/KG sat down for a timeout after some 
> physical
> > > defensive
> > > plays, the cameraman kneeled right in their faces for a very closeup
> > > shot, Kevin
> > >
> > > turns to Rasheed & shouts,
> > >
> > > "We gonna bully these N!!!'s". "We gonna bully these N!!!'s".
> > >
> > > It was load and clear on National TV (not NewEngland). Even the most
> > > insane NFL
> > >
> > > players have more self control in front of a mic than that :)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > eggcentric
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:19 AM
> > >
> > > Has any player in the history of the NBA been so intense, so proud, 
> so
> > > crude, so
> > > whacko, so hyper, so bent on being the best? He certainly is one of 
> a
> > > kind.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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From douglas342 at aol.com  Tue Dec  1 01:33:20 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:33:20 -0500
Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
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Well . . , hello, Niles...


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:22 pm
Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age


Well Newman is a bad example because he is one of my favorite all time 
TV
characters... lol...



> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:59:54 -0500
> From: douglas342 at aol.com
>
> 1. Wasn't this daughter the result of a brief first marriage? Other
> than that, though, you're right - he did ignore her for the most 
part.
> (If there was another child, I don't know about it.)
>
> 2. And no, even doing that doesn't make you an unlikeable 
person/total
> jerk. It makes you someone who may have made a very bad choice and 
may
> have damaged someone, but you might still be a fine person and
> teammate. A total jerk is someone who makes you want to turn the 
other
> way when they walk into the room: think Newman in Seinfeld; Percy in
> "The Green Mile."
>
> (PS: I have really enjoyed this brief thread. Thanks to all who have
> participated.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37 pm
> Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>
>
>
> Child out of wedlock that you then pretended didn't exist and ignored
> for the
> most part?
>
> > From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:21:48 -0500
> >
> > We even have obnoxious jerks on this list, but I asume that most 
are
> good
> > people and good family men and women. As far as KG or Bird, has any
> one
> > heard or know of something he did off the court that would make him
> an
> > obnoxious jerk. I haven't.
> >
> > Hart
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> > To: <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> >
> >
> > > It takes all kinds. I've known obnoxious jerks on the court that 
I
> could
> > > completely hang for beers afterwards (in fact some were often team
> > > "wingmen" so to speak). I've also known simply obnoxious jerks.
> Many times
> > > the team would put up with A LOT because also unfortunately the
> worst
> > > personalities were usually the BEST player (and quite frequently 
by
> a
> > > large margin). It would makes sense that one often goes with the
> other due
> > > to the old adage:
> > >
> > > Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
> > >
> > > If you were told from about age 8 that you were a God...why would
> you not
> > > act like one? There are exceptions of course...we are human and 
all
> > > different in our sameness after all, but often having that
> mentality
> > > pressed upon you from adolescence through teens and so on by
> family,
> > > friends, agents, and fans would tend to stick in some matter or
> fashion.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] 
On
> Behalf
> > > Of douglas342 at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:23 PM
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > > And does the alpha behavior end at the clubhouse door? If a 
player
> is
> > > an obnoxious alpha pup (and Egg's description of KG meets that
> > > criterion), is his behavior and resultant anger done when they 
exit
> the
> > > building? Does KG mellow out and join the boys for a beer after 
the
> > > game, acting as if all were cool?
> > >
> > > I don't know why this interests me, but pro athletes are
> extraordinary
> > > people with huge egos, from KG on down to guys like Scal, who 
would
> not
> > > be in the NBA if they weren't driven. Put another way, they're all
> > > slightly unbalanced, aren't they?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:02 am
> > > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > >
> > > So given the many alpha male types littering NBA locker rooms two
> > > questions
> > > immediately arise.
> > >
> > > 1. Given the throughput of players no longer beholden to the Cs 
(and
> > > some in
> > > fact outright aggressive in their dislike of the team, coach, GM,
> > > whatever) how
> > > has this not been outted before?
> > >
> > > 2. Sort of answering #1 with another question...is there an 
"Klingon
> > > Code of
> > > Honor" among NBA players wherein they do not out their brethren
> unless
> > > so outted
> > > themselves?
> > >
> > > Those that have played sports at any level know that fights 
occur.
> Even
> > > in
> > > practice. Even among friends. Even to the MOST level headed, much
> less
> > > the
> > > least. I would surmise much is forgiven in the heat of "combat".
> Were
> > > it truly
> > > indefensible recurring abuse at what point does "winning" 
overtake
> the
> > > ability
> > > for players to "come to work each and every day"? They say winning
> > > cures all
> > > ills. If the team continues to play in an up and down 
rollercoaster
> > > manner -
> > > will such past piccadilloes (true or not) rise to the surface as
> > > fragmentary
> > > forces?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] 
On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > eggcentric at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:52 PM
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > > Also, how many times has he lost it in practice and actually
> smacked a
> > > teammate
> > > in the face
> > > both in Minny and now here? A L O T.
> > >
> > >
> > > I do appreciate his talent, yet he's my least favorite Celt 
player.
> > > It's a
> > > credit to Ray Allen and
> > > Pierce that they understand and put up with his "personality." The
> > > well put
> > > together Ray has
> > > several times stood up to him over his foul language and bullying
> ways
> > > while the
> > > younger players
> > > remain intimidated by him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Enrile, Roy <renrile at qualcomm.com>
> > > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24 pm
> > > Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > >
> > > Agreed that K.G.'s out of control energy/crudeness is one of a 
kind
> in
> > > NBA
> > > history.
> > >
> > > The other week as Sheed/KG sat down for a timeout after some
> physical
> > > defensive
> > > plays, the cameraman kneeled right in their faces for a very 
closeup
> > > shot, Kevin
> > >
> > > turns to Rasheed & shouts,
> > >
> > > "We gonna bully these N!!!'s". "We gonna bully these N!!!'s".
> > >
> > > It was load and clear on National TV (not NewEngland). Even the 
most
> > > insane NFL
> > >
> > > players have more self control in front of a mic than that :)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] 
On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > eggcentric
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:19 AM
> > >
> > > Has any player in the history of the NBA been so intense, so 
proud,
> so
> > > crude, so
> > > whacko, so hyper, so bent on being the best? He certainly is one 
of
> a
> > > kind.
> > >
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Tue Dec  1 03:01:02 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:01:02 -0500
Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
In-Reply-To: <9BE665184612EC41BBCAE7902C7422EFBFBC132634@INVSFOXXCHMBX01.corp.com>
Message-ID: <20091130220102.C9NIL.1159404.imail@eastrmwml32>

So will I (being a Larry guy) , but he was no picnic either.   And not much of a personality either on or off the court, something that can't be said of Garnett. And if you think of trash talking, Bird had it over Garnett and garnett is tough.
---- "Belanger wrote: 
> Damn you beat me to it, let's not forget the bar room incident in the playoffs (85 I think). I am and always be a Larry guy though.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Shawn Niles
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 4:38 PM
> To: Celtics List
> Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> 
> 
> Child out of wedlock that you then pretended didn't exist and ignored for the most part?
>  
> > From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:21:48 -0500
> > 
> > We even have obnoxious jerks on this list, but I asume that most are good 
> > people and good family men and women. As far as KG or Bird, has any one 
> > heard or know of something he did off the court that would make him an 
> > obnoxious jerk. I haven't.
> > 
> > Hart
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> > To: <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > 
> > 
> > > It takes all kinds. I've known obnoxious jerks on the court that I could 
> > > completely hang for beers afterwards (in fact some were often team 
> > > "wingmen" so to speak). I've also known simply obnoxious jerks. Many times 
> > > the team would put up with A LOT because also unfortunately the worst 
> > > personalities were usually the BEST player (and quite frequently by a 
> > > large margin). It would makes sense that one often goes with the other due 
> > > to the old adage:
> > >
> > > Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
> > >
> > > If you were told from about age 8 that you were a God...why would you not 
> > > act like one? There are exceptions of course...we are human and all 
> > > different in our sameness after all, but often having that mentality 
> > > pressed upon you from adolescence through teens and so on by family, 
> > > friends, agents, and fans would tend to stick in some matter or fashion.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf 
> > > Of douglas342 at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:23 PM
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > > And does the alpha behavior end at the clubhouse door? If a player is
> > > an obnoxious alpha pup (and Egg's description of KG meets that
> > > criterion), is his behavior and resultant anger done when they exit the
> > > building? Does KG mellow out and join the boys for a beer after the
> > > game, acting as if all were cool?
> > >
> > > I don't know why this interests me, but pro athletes are extraordinary
> > > people with huge egos, from KG on down to guys like Scal, who would not
> > > be in the NBA if they weren't driven. Put another way, they're all
> > > slightly unbalanced, aren't they?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:02 am
> > > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > >
> > > So given the many alpha male types littering NBA locker rooms two
> > > questions
> > > immediately arise.
> > >
> > > 1. Given the throughput of players no longer beholden to the Cs (and
> > > some in
> > > fact outright aggressive in their dislike of the team, coach, GM,
> > > whatever) how
> > > has this not been outted before?
> > >
> > > 2. Sort of answering #1 with another question...is there an "Klingon
> > > Code of
> > > Honor" among NBA players wherein they do not out their brethren unless
> > > so outted
> > > themselves?
> > >
> > > Those that have played sports at any level know that fights occur. Even
> > > in
> > > practice. Even among friends. Even to the MOST level headed, much less
> > > the
> > > least. I would surmise much is forgiven in the heat of "combat". Were
> > > it truly
> > > indefensible recurring abuse at what point does "winning" overtake the
> > > ability
> > > for players to "come to work each and every day"? They say winning
> > > cures all
> > > ills. If the team continues to play in an up and down rollercoaster
> > > manner -
> > > will such past piccadilloes (true or not) rise to the surface as
> > > fragmentary
> > > forces?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > eggcentric at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:52 PM
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > > Also, how many times has he lost it in practice and actually smacked a
> > > teammate
> > > in the face
> > > both in Minny and now here? A L O T.
> > >
> > >
> > > I do appreciate his talent, yet he's my least favorite Celt player.
> > > It's a
> > > credit to Ray Allen and
> > > Pierce that they understand and put up with his "personality." The
> > > well put
> > > together Ray has
> > > several times stood up to him over his foul language and bullying ways
> > > while the
> > > younger players
> > > remain intimidated by him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Enrile, Roy <renrile at qualcomm.com>
> > > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24 pm
> > > Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > >
> > > Agreed that K.G.'s out of control energy/crudeness is one of a kind in
> > > NBA
> > > history.
> > >
> > > The other week as Sheed/KG sat down for a timeout after some physical
> > > defensive
> > > plays, the cameraman kneeled right in their faces for a very closeup
> > > shot, Kevin
> > >
> > > turns to Rasheed & shouts,
> > >
> > > "We gonna bully these N!!!'s". "We gonna bully these N!!!'s".
> > >
> > > It was load and clear on National TV (not NewEngland). Even the most
> > > insane NFL
> > >
> > > players have more self control in front of a mic than that :)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > eggcentric
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:19 AM
> > >
> > > Has any player in the history of the NBA been so intense, so proud, so
> > > crude, so
> > > whacko, so hyper, so bent on being the best? He certainly is one of a
> > > kind.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > >
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Tue Dec  1 03:06:31 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:06:31 -0500
Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
In-Reply-To: <8CC4027F73EFDDA-4F00-199D1@webmail-d090.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20091130220631.J8TL8.1159493.imail@eastrmwml32>

He still ignored her (on Larry Bird Day in Boston) or didn't acknowledge her.  It has been said from past players that he was moody and not easy to play with.  Still, he will always be my favorite player to watch (after Pete Maravich at LSU).
---- douglas342 at aol.com wrote: 
> 1.  Wasn't this daughter the result of a brief first marriage?  Other 
> than that, though, you're right - he did ignore her for the most part.  
> (If there was another child, I don't know about it.)
> 
> 2.  And no, even doing that doesn't make you an unlikeable person/total 
> jerk.  It makes you someone who may have made a very bad choice and may 
> have damaged someone, but you might still be a fine person and 
> teammate.  A total jerk is someone who makes you want to turn the other 
> way when they walk into the room:  think Newman in Seinfeld;  Percy in 
> "The Green Mile."
> 
> (PS:  I have really enjoyed this brief thread.  Thanks to all who have 
> participated.)
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37 pm
> Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> 
> 
> 
> Child out of wedlock that you then pretended didn't exist and ignored 
> for the
> most part?
> 
> > From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:21:48 -0500
> >
> > We even have obnoxious jerks on this list, but I asume that most are 
> good
> > people and good family men and women. As far as KG or Bird, has any 
> one
> > heard or know of something he did off the court that would make him 
> an
> > obnoxious jerk. I haven't.
> >
> > Hart
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> > To: <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:09 PM
> > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> >
> >
> > > It takes all kinds. I've known obnoxious jerks on the court that I 
> could
> > > completely hang for beers afterwards (in fact some were often team
> > > "wingmen" so to speak). I've also known simply obnoxious jerks. 
> Many times
> > > the team would put up with A LOT because also unfortunately the 
> worst
> > > personalities were usually the BEST player (and quite frequently by 
> a
> > > large margin). It would makes sense that one often goes with the 
> other due
> > > to the old adage:
> > >
> > > Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
> > >
> > > If you were told from about age 8 that you were a God...why would 
> you not
> > > act like one? There are exceptions of course...we are human and all
> > > different in our sameness after all, but often having that 
> mentality
> > > pressed upon you from adolescence through teens and so on by 
> family,
> > > friends, agents, and fans would tend to stick in some matter or 
> fashion.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On 
> Behalf
> > > Of douglas342 at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:23 PM
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > > And does the alpha behavior end at the clubhouse door? If a player 
> is
> > > an obnoxious alpha pup (and Egg's description of KG meets that
> > > criterion), is his behavior and resultant anger done when they exit 
> the
> > > building? Does KG mellow out and join the boys for a beer after the
> > > game, acting as if all were cool?
> > >
> > > I don't know why this interests me, but pro athletes are 
> extraordinary
> > > people with huge egos, from KG on down to guys like Scal, who would 
> not
> > > be in the NBA if they weren't driven. Put another way, they're all
> > > slightly unbalanced, aren't they?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:02 am
> > > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > >
> > > So given the many alpha male types littering NBA locker rooms two
> > > questions
> > > immediately arise.
> > >
> > > 1. Given the throughput of players no longer beholden to the Cs (and
> > > some in
> > > fact outright aggressive in their dislike of the team, coach, GM,
> > > whatever) how
> > > has this not been outted before?
> > >
> > > 2. Sort of answering #1 with another question...is there an "Klingon
> > > Code of
> > > Honor" among NBA players wherein they do not out their brethren 
> unless
> > > so outted
> > > themselves?
> > >
> > > Those that have played sports at any level know that fights occur. 
> Even
> > > in
> > > practice. Even among friends. Even to the MOST level headed, much 
> less
> > > the
> > > least. I would surmise much is forgiven in the heat of "combat". 
> Were
> > > it truly
> > > indefensible recurring abuse at what point does "winning" overtake 
> the
> > > ability
> > > for players to "come to work each and every day"? They say winning
> > > cures all
> > > ills. If the team continues to play in an up and down rollercoaster
> > > manner -
> > > will such past piccadilloes (true or not) rise to the surface as
> > > fragmentary
> > > forces?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > eggcentric at aol.com
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:52 PM
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > > Also, how many times has he lost it in practice and actually 
> smacked a
> > > teammate
> > > in the face
> > > both in Minny and now here? A L O T.
> > >
> > >
> > > I do appreciate his talent, yet he's my least favorite Celt player.
> > > It's a
> > > credit to Ray Allen and
> > > Pierce that they understand and put up with his "personality." The
> > > well put
> > > together Ray has
> > > several times stood up to him over his foul language and bullying 
> ways
> > > while the
> > > younger players
> > > remain intimidated by him.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Enrile, Roy <renrile at qualcomm.com>
> > > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24 pm
> > > Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > >
> > > Agreed that K.G.'s out of control energy/crudeness is one of a kind 
> in
> > > NBA
> > > history.
> > >
> > > The other week as Sheed/KG sat down for a timeout after some 
> physical
> > > defensive
> > > plays, the cameraman kneeled right in their faces for a very closeup
> > > shot, Kevin
> > >
> > > turns to Rasheed & shouts,
> > >
> > > "We gonna bully these N!!!'s". "We gonna bully these N!!!'s".
> > >
> > > It was load and clear on National TV (not NewEngland). Even the most
> > > insane NFL
> > >
> > > players have more self control in front of a mic than that :)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> > > Behalf Of
> > > eggcentric
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:19 AM
> > >
> > > Has any player in the history of the NBA been so intense, so proud, 
> so
> > > crude, so
> > > whacko, so hyper, so bent on being the best? He certainly is one of 
> a
> > > kind.
> > >
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From shizzjr at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  1 05:07:43 2009
From: shizzjr at hotmail.com (Shawn Niles)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 00:07:43 -0500
Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
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Keith Hernandez spit on me!!
 
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:33:20 -0500
> From: douglas342 at aol.com
> 
> Well . . , hello, Niles...
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 5:22 pm
> Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> 
> 
> Well Newman is a bad example because he is one of my favorite all time 
> TV
> characters... lol...
> 
> 
> 
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:59:54 -0500
> > From: douglas342 at aol.com
> >
> > 1. Wasn't this daughter the result of a brief first marriage? Other
> > than that, though, you're right - he did ignore her for the most 
> part.
> > (If there was another child, I don't know about it.)
> >
> > 2. And no, even doing that doesn't make you an unlikeable 
> person/total
> > jerk. It makes you someone who may have made a very bad choice and 
> may
> > have damaged someone, but you might still be a fine person and
> > teammate. A total jerk is someone who makes you want to turn the 
> other
> > way when they walk into the room: think Newman in Seinfeld; Percy in
> > "The Green Mile."
> >
> > (PS: I have really enjoyed this brief thread. Thanks to all who have
> > participated.)
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> > To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37 pm
> > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> >
> >
> >
> > Child out of wedlock that you then pretended didn't exist and ignored
> > for the
> > most part?
> >
> > > From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:21:48 -0500
> > >
> > > We even have obnoxious jerks on this list, but I asume that most 
> are
> > good
> > > people and good family men and women. As far as KG or Bird, has any
> > one
> > > heard or know of something he did off the court that would make him
> > an
> > > obnoxious jerk. I haven't.
> > >
> > > Hart
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
> > > To: <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:09 PM
> > > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > >
> > >
> > > > It takes all kinds. I've known obnoxious jerks on the court that 
> I
> > could
> > > > completely hang for beers afterwards (in fact some were often team
> > > > "wingmen" so to speak). I've also known simply obnoxious jerks.
> > Many times
> > > > the team would put up with A LOT because also unfortunately the
> > worst
> > > > personalities were usually the BEST player (and quite frequently 
> by
> > a
> > > > large margin). It would makes sense that one often goes with the
> > other due
> > > > to the old adage:
> > > >
> > > > Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
> > > >
> > > > If you were told from about age 8 that you were a God...why would
> > you not
> > > > act like one? There are exceptions of course...we are human and 
> all
> > > > different in our sameness after all, but often having that
> > mentality
> > > > pressed upon you from adolescence through teens and so on by
> > family,
> > > > friends, agents, and fans would tend to stick in some matter or
> > fashion.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] 
> On
> > Behalf
> > > > Of douglas342 at aol.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:23 PM
> > > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > > >
> > > > And does the alpha behavior end at the clubhouse door? If a 
> player
> > is
> > > > an obnoxious alpha pup (and Egg's description of KG meets that
> > > > criterion), is his behavior and resultant anger done when they 
> exit
> > the
> > > > building? Does KG mellow out and join the boys for a beer after 
> the
> > > > game, acting as if all were cool?
> > > >
> > > > I don't know why this interests me, but pro athletes are
> > extraordinary
> > > > people with huge egos, from KG on down to guys like Scal, who 
> would
> > not
> > > > be in the NBA if they weren't driven. Put another way, they're all
> > > > slightly unbalanced, aren't they?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> > > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:02 am
> > > > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So given the many alpha male types littering NBA locker rooms two
> > > > questions
> > > > immediately arise.
> > > >
> > > > 1. Given the throughput of players no longer beholden to the Cs 
> (and
> > > > some in
> > > > fact outright aggressive in their dislike of the team, coach, GM,
> > > > whatever) how
> > > > has this not been outted before?
> > > >
> > > > 2. Sort of answering #1 with another question...is there an 
> "Klingon
> > > > Code of
> > > > Honor" among NBA players wherein they do not out their brethren
> > unless
> > > > so outted
> > > > themselves?
> > > >
> > > > Those that have played sports at any level know that fights 
> occur.
> > Even
> > > > in
> > > > practice. Even among friends. Even to the MOST level headed, much
> > less
> > > > the
> > > > least. I would surmise much is forgiven in the heat of "combat".
> > Were
> > > > it truly
> > > > indefensible recurring abuse at what point does "winning" 
> overtake
> > the
> > > > ability
> > > > for players to "come to work each and every day"? They say winning
> > > > cures all
> > > > ills. If the team continues to play in an up and down 
> rollercoaster
> > > > manner -
> > > > will such past piccadilloes (true or not) rise to the surface as
> > > > fragmentary
> > > > forces?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] 
> On
> > > > Behalf Of
> > > > eggcentric at aol.com
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:52 PM
> > > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > > >
> > > > Also, how many times has he lost it in practice and actually
> > smacked a
> > > > teammate
> > > > in the face
> > > > both in Minny and now here? A L O T.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I do appreciate his talent, yet he's my least favorite Celt 
> player.
> > > > It's a
> > > > credit to Ray Allen and
> > > > Pierce that they understand and put up with his "personality." The
> > > > well put
> > > > together Ray has
> > > > several times stood up to him over his foul language and bullying
> > ways
> > > > while the
> > > > younger players
> > > > remain intimidated by him.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Enrile, Roy <renrile at qualcomm.com>
> > > > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24 pm
> > > > Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Agreed that K.G.'s out of control energy/crudeness is one of a 
> kind
> > in
> > > > NBA
> > > > history.
> > > >
> > > > The other week as Sheed/KG sat down for a timeout after some
> > physical
> > > > defensive
> > > > plays, the cameraman kneeled right in their faces for a very 
> closeup
> > > > shot, Kevin
> > > >
> > > > turns to Rasheed & shouts,
> > > >
> > > > "We gonna bully these N!!!'s". "We gonna bully these N!!!'s".
> > > >
> > > > It was load and clear on National TV (not NewEngland). Even the 
> most
> > > > insane NFL
> > > >
> > > > players have more self control in front of a mic than that :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] 
> On
> > > > Behalf Of
> > > > eggcentric
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 8:19 AM
> > > >
> > > > Has any player in the history of the NBA been so intense, so 
> proud,
> > so
> > > > crude, so
> > > > whacko, so hyper, so bent on being the best? He certainly is one 
> of
> > a
> > > > kind.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > celtics at igtc.com
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From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  1 22:24:48 2009
From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:24:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: K.G. isn&#39;t mellowing with old age
In-Reply-To: <20091130220631.J8TL8.1159493.imail@eastrmwml32>
Message-ID: <646235.81524.qm@web65516.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Sheesh, maybe you guys should apply for the Dr Phil show. Who the heck cares if KG ain&#39;t exactly Mother Teresa? It takes all types to create the balance for winning chemistry.  The key ingredient is the glue guy that can get Francis to lighten up or fire up a guy that might be too cool and laid back.  

I think that guy is Ray Allen. I don&#39;t think you trade a guy like that unless the return is very high.

davidp4660 at cox.net wrote: 
> He still ignored her (on Larry Bird Day in Boston) or didn't acknowledge her.  It has been said from past players that he was moody and not easy to play with.  Still, he will always be my favorite player to watch (after Pete Maravich at LSU).
> ---- douglas342 at aol.com wrote: 
>> 1.  Wasn't this daughter the result of a brief first marriage?  Other 
>> than that, though, you're right - he did ignore her for the most part.  
>> (If there was another child, I don't know about it.)
>> 
>> 2.  And no, even doing that doesn't make you an unlikeable person/total 
>> jerk.  It makes you someone who may have made a very bad choice and may 
>> have damaged someone, but you might still be a fine person and 
>> teammate.  A total jerk is someone who makes you want to turn the other 
>> way when they walk into the room:  think Newman in Seinfeld;  Percy in 
>> "The Green Mile."
>> 
>> (PS:  I have really enjoyed this brief thread.  Thanks to all who have 
>> participated.)
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
>> To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
>> Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:37 pm
>> Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Child out of wedlock that you then pretended didn't exist and ignored 
>> for the
>> most part?
>> 
>> > From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net
>> > To: celtics at igtc.com
>> > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> > Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:21:48 -0500
>> >
>> > We even have obnoxious jerks on this list, but I asume that most are 
>> good
>> > people and good family men and women. As far as KG or Bird, has any 
>> one
>> > heard or know of something he did off the court that would make him 
>> an
>> > obnoxious jerk. I haven't.
>> >
>> > Hart
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
>> > To: <celtics at igtc.com>
>> > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 3:09 PM
>> > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> >
>> >
>> > > It takes all kinds. I've known obnoxious jerks on the court that I 
>> could
>> > > completely hang for beers afterwards (in fact some were often team
>> > > "wingmen" so to speak). I've also known simply obnoxious jerks. 
>> Many times
>> > > the team would put up with A LOT because also unfortunately the 
>> worst
>> > > personalities were usually the BEST player (and quite frequently by 
>> a
>> > > large margin). It would makes sense that one often goes with the 
>> other due
>> > > to the old adage:
>> > >
>> > > Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>> > >
>> > > If you were told from about age 8 that you were a God...why would 
>> you not
>> > > act like one? There are exceptions of course...we are human and all
>> > > different in our sameness after all, but often having that 
>> mentality
>> > > pressed upon you from adolescence through teens and so on by 
>> family,
>> > > friends, agents, and fans would tend to stick in some matter or 
>> fashion.
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On 
>> Behalf
>> > > Of douglas342 at aol.com
>> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 2:23 PM
>> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
>> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> > >
>> > > And does the alpha behavior end at the clubhouse door? If a player 
>> is
>> > > an obnoxious alpha pup (and Egg's description of KG meets that
>> > > criterion), is his behavior and resultant anger done when they exit 
>> the
>> > > building? Does KG mellow out and join the boys for a beer after the
>> > > game, acting as if all were cool?
>> > >
>> > > I don't know why this interests me, but pro athletes are 
>> extraordinary
>> > > people with huge egos, from KG on down to guys like Scal, who would 
>> not
>> > > be in the NBA if they weren't driven. Put another way, they're all
>> > > slightly unbalanced, aren't they?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
>> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
>> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 11:02 am
>> > > Subject: RE: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > So given the many alpha male types littering NBA locker rooms two
>> > > questions
>> > > immediately arise.
>> > >
>> > > 1. Given the throughput of players no longer beholden to the Cs (and
>> > > some in
>> > > fact outright aggressive in their dislike of the team, coach, GM,
>> > > whatever) how
>> > > has this not been outted before?
>> > >
>> > > 2. Sort of answering #1 with another question...is there an "Klingon
>> > > Code of
>> > > Honor" among NBA players wherein they do not out their brethren 
>> unless
>> > > so outted
>> > > themselves?
>> > >
>> > > Those that have played sports at any level know that fights occur. 
>> Even
>> > > in
>> > > practice. Even among friends. Even to the MOST level headed, much 
>> less
>> > > the
>> > > least. I would surmise much is forgiven in the heat of "combat". 
>> Were
>> > > it truly
>> > > indefensible recurring abuse at what point does "winning" overtake 
>> the
>> > > ability
>> > > for players to "come to work each and every day"? They say winning
>> > > cures all
>> > > ills. If the team continues to play in an up and down rollercoaster
>> > > manner -
>> > > will such past piccadilloes (true or not) rise to the surface as
>> > > fragmentary
>> > > forces?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>> > > Behalf Of
>> > > eggcentric at aol.com
>> > > Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:52 PM
>> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
>> > > Subject: Re: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> > >
>> > > Also, how many times has he lost it in practice and actually 
>> smacked a
>> > > teammate
>> > > in the face
>> > > both in Minny and now here? A L O T.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I do appreciate his talent, yet he's my least favorite Celt player.
>> > > It's a
>> > > credit to Ray Allen and
>> > > Pierce that they understand and put up with his "personality." The
>> > > well put
>> > > together Ray has
>> > > several times stood up to him over his foul language and bullying 
>> ways
>> > > while the
>> > > younger players
>> > > remain intimidated by him.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Enrile, Roy <renrile at qualcomm.com>
>> > > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
>> > > Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2009 1:24 pm
>> > > Subject: K.G. isn't mellowing with old age
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Agreed that K.G.'s out of control energy/crudeness is one of a kind 
>> in
>> > > NBA
>> > > history.
>> > >
>> > > The other week as Sheed/KG sat down for a timeout after some 
>> physical
>> > > defensive
>> > > plays, the cameraman kneeled right in their faces for a very closeup
>> > > shot, Kevin
>> > >
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>> > >
>> > > "We gonna bully these N!!!'s". "We gonna bully these N!!!'s".
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From gk_tyler at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 02:46:05 2009
From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:46:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: All I know is what I read in the papers
Message-ID: <117745.8017.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

and glean from the list, of course.  So, after a few weeks of worrying about KG and Ray Allen, it looks like they still have it.  I thought the Bobcats would be a test, since they resemble those younger, faster teams that give us trouble.  Evidently, they only resembled the Hawks & Wiz tonight.  It's nice to dominate the teams we should dominate.  Cheers, Gene
PS:  I'm enjoying my student who is now at Marquette--Jimmy Butler, tall SG or SF, who needs more development time, but is a solid kid and looking good.



      

From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 02:47:14 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:47:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Said it once
Message-ID: <196481.87854.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

But I'll say it again: WE BACK.

The ball movement and chemistry on the first unit remains high.  We toyed with the 'Cats tonight.  And it wasn't even close.

Don't look now, but Perk absolutely dominated the Bobcat interior for stretches in this game, finishing with 21 points, 12 boards, and 3 blocks.  And he ended the night with one of the prettiest moves he's ever made--dribbling it between his legs, crossing his defender over, and then finishing with a half hook on the opposite side of the rim.  

By the way, Rondo, sporting his new cocking action (where he squares his hips slightly before the release of the ball) at the free throw line has now hit 8 of his last 12 shots after starting the season at 33% from the charity stripe.  

Oh, and KG continues to look pretty good.  Pret-ty good indeed.

WE BACK.

Ryan


      


From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 03:35:32 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:35:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Big 5
Message-ID: <938229.65956.qm@web110101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I read ESPN's recap of the Miami win, which started off with something like, "If Rondo keeps playing this way they'll have to expand the Big 3." In actuality, there are two Celtics who're among the league leaders in 3 statistical categories, and neither of them is named Pierce, Garnett or Allen.

Rondo is #5 in assists, #1 in steals and #17 in FG %. Perk is #4 in FG % and #8 in BPG. (He's also 35 in RPG, which admittedly is lower than I'd like him to be but still ain't bad.) No doubt they benefit from playing with three HOFers, but our young statahs are more than worthy in their own right.???



      


From noah.evans at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 03:45:19 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:45:19 +0900
Subject: Big 5
In-Reply-To: <938229.65956.qm@web110101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <938229.65956.qm@web110101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Perk only plays 27 or so minutes a game. He's a little less efficient
in rebounds per minute than players like Boozer, but not much. Then
again the celtics have a lot of good rebounders for their position
which means less rebounds for perk.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:
> I read ESPN's recap of the Miami win, which started off with something like, "If Rondo keeps playing this way they'll have to expand the Big 3." In actuality, there are two Celtics who're among the league leaders in 3 statistical categories, and neither of them is named Pierce, Garnett or Allen.
>
> Rondo is #5 in assists, #1 in steals and #17 in FG %. Perk is #4 in FG % and #8 in BPG. (He's also 35 in RPG, which admittedly is lower than I'd like him to be but still ain't bad.) No doubt they benefit from playing with three HOFers, but our young statahs are more than worthy in their own right.
>
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From jahillsr at comcast.net  Wed Dec  2 04:35:30 2009
From: jahillsr at comcast.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:35:30 -0500
Subject: K.G. isn&#39;t mellowing with old age
Message-ID: <000c01ca7308$e11d8020$a3588060$@net>

+1.  Well said.  Keep Allen and play to win.

<Jim

 

>Sheesh, maybe you guys should apply for the Dr Phil show. Who the heck
cares if KG ain't exactly Mother Teresa? It takes all types to create the
balance for winning chemistry.  The key ingredient is the glue guy that can
get Francis to lighten up or fire up a guy that might be too cool and laid
back.  

 

I think that guy is Ray Allen. I don't think you trade a guy like that
unless the return is very high.

 


From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 12:20:07 2009
From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:20:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <196481.87854.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <64700.79192.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Last I checked NY, Philly, Miami, Toronto,and Charlotte were not exactly powerhouses.

Ryan W wrote: 
> But I'll say it again: WE BACK.
> The ball movement and chemistry on the first unit remains high.  We toyed with the 'Cats tonight.  And it wasn't even close.
> Don't look now, but Perk absolutely dominated the Bobcat interior for stretches in this game, finishing with 21 points, 12 boards, and 3 blocks.  And he ended the night with one of the prettiest moves he's ever made--dribbling it between his legs, crossing his defender over, and then finishing with a half hook on the opposite side of the rim.  
> By the way, Rondo, sporting his new cocking action (where he squares his hips slightly before the release of the ball) at the free throw line has now hit 8 of his last 12 shots after starting the season at 33% from the charity stripe.  
> Oh, and KG continues to look pretty good.  Pret-ty good indeed.
> WE BACK.
> Ryan
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 12:42:45 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 04:42:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <64700.79192.qm@web65505.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <186491.32358.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

It's not about them, it's about US.

Ryan

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: RE: Said it once
> To: "ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com" <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> Cc: "celtics at igtc.com" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 2, 2009, 6:20 AM
> Last I checked NY, Philly, Miami,
> Toronto,and Charlotte were not exactly powerhouses.
> 
> Ryan W wrote: 
> > But I'll say it again: WE BACK.
> > The ball movement and chemistry on the first unit
> remains high.? We toyed with the 'Cats tonight.?
> And it wasn't even close.
> > Don't look now, but Perk absolutely dominated the
> Bobcat interior for stretches in this game, finishing with
> 21 points, 12 boards, and 3 blocks.? And he ended the
> night with one of the prettiest moves he's ever
> made--dribbling it between his legs, crossing his defender
> over, and then finishing with a half hook on the opposite
> side of the rim.? 
> > By the way, Rondo, sporting his new cocking action
> (where he squares his hips slightly before the release of
> the ball) at the free throw line has now hit 8 of his last
> 12 shots after starting the season at 33% from the charity
> stripe.? 
> > Oh, and KG continues to look pretty good.?
> Pret-ty good indeed.
> > WE BACK.
> > Ryan
> >? ? ???
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 13:21:21 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 08:21:21 -0500
Subject: Big 5
In-Reply-To: <56a297000912011945x11c2cd61o64c3a9d75ca1121f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <938229.65956.qm@web110101.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<56a297000912011945x11c2cd61o64c3a9d75ca1121f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670912020521l6c2aae83ia4bb6fdb6151a0d0@mail.gmail.com>

nice stats, I was wondering if there was some kind of backup to the feeling
that I had that Rondo and Perkins have been playing solid if unspectacular
lately - especially over the win streak

On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:45 PM, Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote:

> Perk only plays 27 or so minutes a game. He's a little less efficient
> in rebounds per minute than players like Boozer, but not much. Then
> again the celtics have a lot of good rebounders for their position
> which means less rebounds for perk.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> > I read ESPN's recap of the Miami win, which started off with something
> like, "If Rondo keeps playing this way they'll have to expand the Big 3." In
> actuality, there are two Celtics who're among the league leaders in 3
> statistical categories, and neither of them is named Pierce, Garnett or
> Allen.
> >
> > Rondo is #5 in assists, #1 in steals and #17 in FG %. Perk is #4 in FG %
> and #8 in BPG. (He's also 35 in RPG, which admittedly is lower than I'd like
> him to be but still ain't bad.) No doubt they benefit from playing with
> three HOFers, but our young statahs are more than worthy in their own right.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From cecilw45 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  2 14:12:54 2009
From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:12:54 -0400
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <196481.87854.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <196481.87854.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W1280F8CF2B7EE6FD7C7F40D9950@phx.gbl>



 

> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:47:14 -0800
> From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com
> Subject: Said it once
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> 
 
> Don't look now, but Perk absolutely dominated the Bobcat interior for stretches in this game, finishing with 21 points, 12 boards, and 3 blocks. And he ended the night with one of the prettiest moves he's ever made--dribbling it between his legs, crossing his defender over, and then finishing with a half hook on the opposite side of the rim. 
> 

 

I'd have to call it "the most skilled move that I've seen him make!!"  In fact it brought me right outta my chair questioning whether it was really Perk or Cornbread!!  Making such a move in the first place is a great indicator of how far his skills have come from his early days of not putting the ball on the floor without traveling, but even having the confidence to try to execute it shows this oldtimer something.  Keep practicing those free throws big fella cuz you'll be going to the line alot at this rate.


> By the way, Rondo, sporting his new cocking action (where he squares his hips slightly before the release of the ball) at the free throw line has now hit 8 of his last 12 shots after starting the season at 33% from the charity stripe. 
> 

 

Someone will bitch that he missed 4 of his last 12.


> Oh, and KG continues to look pretty good. Pret-ty good indeed.
> 

 

I never did notice much of a limp anyway if at all.  I think Kim nailed it the other day when she said he wants to avoid knee contact during the game when there are so many opportunities for it than there are during pregame.

 

Also, I saw Sheed setting up in the low post pretty successfully!!

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From jlyell at verizon.net  Wed Dec  2 14:26:13 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 14:26:13 +0000
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W1280F8CF2B7EE6FD7C7F40D9950@phx.gbl>
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That move was sweet. Not sure though why doc kept the starters in for so long when we  were up big. We need to see what we have and give them some rest
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Cecil Wright <cecilw45 at hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 10:12:54 
To: <celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: RE: Said it once



 

> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:47:14 -0800
> From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com
> Subject: Said it once
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> 
 
> Don't look now, but Perk absolutely dominated the Bobcat interior for stretches in this game, finishing with 21 points, 12 boards, and 3 blocks. And he ended the night with one of the prettiest moves he's ever made--dribbling it between his legs, crossing his defender over, and then finishing with a half hook on the opposite side of the rim. 
> 

 

I'd have to call it "the most skilled move that I've seen him make!!"  In fact it brought me right outta my chair questioning whether it was really Perk or Cornbread!!  Making such a move in the first place is a great indicator of how far his skills have come from his early days of not putting the ball on the floor without traveling, but even having the confidence to try to execute it shows this oldtimer something.  Keep practicing those free throws big fella cuz you'll be going to the line alot at this rate.


> By the way, Rondo, sporting his new cocking action (where he squares his hips slightly before the release of the ball) at the free throw line has now hit 8 of his last 12 shots after starting the season at 33% from the charity stripe. 
> 

 

Someone will bitch that he missed 4 of his last 12.


> Oh, and KG continues to look pretty good. Pret-ty good indeed.
> 

 

I never did notice much of a limp anyway if at all.  I think Kim nailed it the other day when she said he wants to avoid knee contact during the game when there are so many opportunities for it than there are during pregame.

 

Also, I saw Sheed setting up in the low post pretty successfully!!

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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  2 14:45:01 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 06:45:01 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W1280F8CF2B7EE6FD7C7F40D9950@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <565448.99229.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Wed, 12/2/09, Cecil Wright <cecilw45 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> I'd have to call it "the most skilled move that I've seen
> him make!!"? In fact it brought me right outta my chair
> questioning whether it was really Perk or Cornbread!!?
> Making such a move in the first place is a great indicator
> of how far his skills have come from his early days of not
> putting the ball on the floor without traveling, but even
> having the confidence to try to execute it shows this
> oldtimer something.? Keep practicing those free throws
> big fella cuz you'll be going to the line alot at this
> rate.

Yeah, Perk's really extending his game on the offensive end.  He's almost perfected the move where gets the ball and finishes on the other side of the rim, using the basket as an obstacle.  His post game has come A LONG WAY.  His jump hook, and turn-arounds/fall-aways over either shoulder are pretty solid.  He's recently added a pretty sweet drop step too, one he used to great success last night when matched up against Diaw.  Most importantly, he's learned how to use his natural advantages when he has them--now when he has a weaker or shorter opponent, he'll back them down, take his time, and score.  And, if he happens to have the quickness advantage (as he had last night against Chandler and Mohammed), he's learned how to use that to score too.  Who would think, even 7 months ago, that Perk would be making people pay because he has a quickness advantage?  Not even me.

Ryan


      


From eggcentric at aol.com  Wed Dec  2 20:59:19 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 15:59:19 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W1280F8CF2B7EE6FD7C7F40D9950@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5FD5904B.5DD9.40E9.AFB3.9551FCB48604@aol.com>

< Someone will bitch that he {Rondo} missed 4 of his?
last 12.> ? - Cecil

Cecil, m'love. ? Arg, err, oh, ah, ugh.? Oh dear.??

Okay I'll bite.? A .666 FT% is quite an improvement but?
doesn't exactly qualify for a Golden Globe Award in
Foul shooting.?

< let's hurry up and trade Ray cuz he sucks)> - Cecil

I doubt anyone thinks Ray ?sucks.?? At least I hope not since
he's my favorite Celt player.? He just happens to have a?
monstrous cap number and isn't getting any younger.
Oh to be only 34 yrs. old again. ?

I think the attempted point here is that maybe the best and
only way the Celts can improve our future roster is to?
trade Ray's expiring contract for a couple of younger,?
upcoming future starters. ?What are our other options?
Bring in more Garnett 35 yr. old cronies?

Don't forget - earlier this season we attempted to trade?
Allen and Rondo?(prior to re-signing him but still?considering 
him a liability with games on?the line in crunch?time)?
to the Suns for Amare Stoudemire, Barbosa,?and a draft pick.

We attempted to trade Allen and Rondo to Detroit for ?
Hamilton, Prince, and Stuckey.

We attempted to trade Allen to the Clips for one of their
bigs and fodder prior to us signing Rasheed.

With all Ray Allen proposals failing to obtain a top-notch player
in return, we attempted to trade just Rondo to Sacramento for 
draft pick Tyreke Evans?and accompanying matching salary. ?
That's how much confidence Doc and Danny had in Rondo.

We have also been for what seems like forever, attempting
to trade/simply get rid of Tony Allen, Giddens, Scal,
and prior to releasing him, Pruitt.? No takers.

Believe it or not, with rookie PG Darren Collison looking
pretty solid while Chris Paul is out with an injury, I
understand that the?Celts have recently revisited their 
trade feelers to?New Orleans. ?Guess management is still not 
very?happy with Rondo, and I'll also add here, with
Garnett's boy,?Rasheed, as well.

The deal on the present table that will likely never?
happen is: ?

WE GET -? CHRIS PAUL and salary fodder Peterson and?
Songaila (who Danny previously traded for crapola picks?
Brandon Hunter and Orien Greene)?

NEW ORLEANS GETS -? RAY ALLEN and RONDO.

Egg

------------------------ ??

On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:12:54 AM, "Cecil Wright" <cecilw45 at hotmail.com> wrote:

From:   "Cecil Wright" <cecilw45 at hotmail.com>
Subject:    RE: Said it once
Date:   December 2, 2009 9:12:54 AM EST
To: celtics at igtc.com




> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:47:14 -0800
> From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com
> Subject: Said it once
> To: celtics at igtc.com
>?

> Don't look now, but Perk absolutely dominated the Bobcat interior for stretches in this game, finishing with 21 points, 12 boards, and 3 blocks. And he ended the night with one of the prettiest moves he's ever made--dribbling it between his legs, crossing his defender over, and then finishing with a half hook on the opposite side of the rim.?
>?



I'd have to call it "the most skilled move that I've seen him make!!" In fact it brought me right outta my chair questioning whether it was really Perk or Cornbread!! Making such a move in the first place is a great indicator of how far his skills have come from his early days of not putting the ball on the floor without traveling, but even having the confidence to try to execute it shows this oldtimer something. Keep practicing those free throws big fella cuz you'll be going to the line alot at this rate.


> By the way, Rondo, sporting his new cocking action (where he squares his hips slightly before the release of the ball) at the free throw line has now hit 8 of his last 12 shots after starting the season at 33% from the charity stripe.?
>?



Someone will bitch that he missed 4 of his last 12.


> Oh, and KG continues to look pretty good. Pret-ty good indeed.
>?



I never did notice much of a limp anyway if at all. I think Kim nailed it the other day when she said he wants to avoid knee contact during the game when there are so many opportunities for it than there are during pregame.



Also, I saw Sheed setting up in the low post pretty successfully!!

Cecil (let's hurry up and trade Ray cuz he sucks)








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From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 16:03:22 -0500
Subject: Said it once
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On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:26:13 AM, "John Lyell" <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote:

Not sure though why doc kept the starters in for so long when we were up big.
--------------------

To enhance our points for/ points against differential? ?Pride cometh before the fall.

From jlyell at verizon.net  Wed Dec  2 21:06:43 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 21:06:43 +0000
Subject: Said it once
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more likely lack of faith they can hold a double digit lead for more than 2 minutes
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On Dec 2, 2009, at 9:26:13 AM, "John Lyell" <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote:

Not sure though why doc kept the starters in for so long when we were up big.
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From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec  3 13:08:07 2009
From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 05:08:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Just Wondering...
Message-ID: <508802.16414.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2009/11/30/ex_nba_star_promising_to_repay_vegas_casino_debt/

I wonder if Antoine had a gambling problem while he was with the C's.? Did he ever gamble on basketball games?? Celtics games?
Some nights he was in a real chuck it up mode and "stupid" shot selection.? Stupid or shaving?

Just wondering...


      

From dajubo at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 21:39:09 2009
From: dajubo at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?B?RC4gQm91dHTp?=)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 16:39:09 -0500
Subject: Just Wondering...
In-Reply-To: <508802.16414.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <508802.16414.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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I doubt that. Despite his shortcomings, he always seemed to have a great
desire to win.

-David

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2009/11/30/ex_nba_star_promising_to_repay_vegas_casino_debt/
>
> I wonder if Antoine had a gambling problem while he was with the C's.  Did
> he ever gamble on basketball games?  Celtics games?
> Some nights he was in a real chuck it up mode and "stupid" shot selection.
> Stupid or shaving?
>
> Just wondering...
>
>
>
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From regmanw6 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  4 01:11:32 2009
From: regmanw6 at yahoo.com (R Howe)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 17:11:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Just Wondering...
In-Reply-To: <eb36e0860912031339ua3e4983vdfa4093ca888cea9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <689188.62678.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

I tend to doubt it, not based on Antione the player person we have followed over the years but rather when Celebs/sports/political folks get wrapped up in scandal it is fair game and sport to pile on and have all kinds of dirt thrown at the person while they are down. It seems to me if Antione were doing such things during this period when he is down and out that someone would have dropped that dime. 

Go C's 

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, D. Boutt? <dajubo at gmail.com> wrote:

From: D. Boutt? <dajubo at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Just Wondering...
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 4:39 PM

I doubt that. Despite his shortcomings, he always seemed to have a great
desire to win.

-David

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>wrote:

>
> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2009/11/30/ex_nba_star_promising_to_repay_vegas_casino_debt/
>
> I wonder if Antoine had a gambling problem while he was with the C's.? Did
> he ever gamble on basketball games?? Celtics games?
> Some nights he was in a real chuck it up mode and "stupid" shot selection.
> Stupid or shaving?
>
> Just wondering...
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> celtics at igtc.com
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Fri Dec  4 03:03:08 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:03:08 -0500
Subject: Just Wondering...
In-Reply-To: <eb36e0860912031339ua3e4983vdfa4093ca888cea9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091203220308.GLKA8.44362.imail@eastrmwml34>

I'll give Antoine the benefit of the doubt.  Can say the same thing about Barkley and Jordan, too.
---- "D. Boutt?" <dajubo at gmail.com> wrote: 
> I doubt that. Despite his shortcomings, he always seemed to have a great
> desire to win.
> 
> -David
> 
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 8:08 AM, asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>wrote:
> 
> >
> > http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2009/11/30/ex_nba_star_promising_to_repay_vegas_casino_debt/
> >
> > I wonder if Antoine had a gambling problem while he was with the C's.  Did
> > he ever gamble on basketball games?  Celtics games?
> > Some nights he was in a real chuck it up mode and "stupid" shot selection.
> > Stupid or shaving?
> >
> > Just wondering...
> >
> >
> >
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From bosox18 at charter.net  Fri Dec  4 03:28:59 2009
From: bosox18 at charter.net (Steve Ouellette)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:28:59 -0500
Subject: GS: Rebounding
Message-ID: <24331D83F164455C94452CA8BAF11FC1@StevePC>

Man, I keep hearing about how the C's have so many "good rebounders at their
positions," but their rebounding is terrible, especially tonight, but for
most of the season too.

 

Steve O


From noah.evans at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 03:31:33 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:31:33 +0900
Subject: Just Wondering...
In-Reply-To: <508802.16414.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <508802.16414.qm@web65506.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56a297000912031931h4b46051pf1a9a071ebac8a8b@mail.gmail.com>

Too paranoid. Antoine was many things, but he's not a Donaghy/Rose
style sociopath.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 10:08 PM, asterix ninetynine
<asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/articles/2009/11/30/ex_nba_star_promising_to_repay_vegas_casino_debt/
>
> I wonder if Antoine had a gambling problem while he was with the C's.? Did he ever gamble on basketball games?? Celtics games?
> Some nights he was in a real chuck it up mode and "stupid" shot selection.? Stupid or shaving?
>
> Just wondering...
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From noah.evans at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 03:32:45 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:32:45 +0900
Subject: GS: Rebounding
In-Reply-To: <24331D83F164455C94452CA8BAF11FC1@StevePC>
References: <24331D83F164455C94452CA8BAF11FC1@StevePC>
Message-ID: <56a297000912031932m4443a2e7j65da8c3973bd18fe@mail.gmail.com>

Team rebounding != individual rebounding.

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Steve Ouellette <bosox18 at charter.net> wrote:
> Man, I keep hearing about how the C's have so many "good rebounders at their
> positions," but their rebounding is terrible, especially tonight, but for
> most of the season too.
>
>
>
> Steve O
>
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From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Fri Dec  4 04:15:09 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 23:15:09 -0500
Subject: Just Wondering...
In-Reply-To: <689188.62678.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <eb36e0860912031339ua3e4983vdfa4093ca888cea9@mail.gmail.com>
	<689188.62678.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0KU4002VS15LD4XT@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net>

At 08:11 PM 12/3/2009, R Howe wrote:
>I tend to doubt it, not based on Antione the player person we have 
>followed over the years but rather when Celebs/sports/political 
>folks get wrapped up in scandal it is fair game and sport to pile on 
>and have all kinds of dirt thrown at the person while they are down.

Sigh, mean spirited people do it to their relatives and neighbors 
too. Not just poking at celebrities and as a rule says more about the 
one piling on that the one being piled onto. The shaving accusation 
is just one person here (and probably some scattered elsewhere since 
there are always people who will think that way) with a taste for 
conspiracy theories, not some big grand public smear campaign against 
Walker, as you seem to be implying.

>It seems to me if Antione were doing such things during this period 
>when he is down and out that someone would have dropped that dime.

Yes he did gamble while he was here.  You'd certainly hear of his 
being down in Foxwoods and not just for preseason games scheduled 
there. But of course it's not usually labeled a problem until you run 
into debt or other big problems over it, and he had the income to 
support it back then. While he also may have done a bit less of it 
through getting  some of the same compulsion satisfied by playing - 
with a lot of jocks its starts because they're competition junkies 
and it gives them another, nicely edgy outlet. While if you want 
conspiracy theories, perhaps the NBA was careful to not be too public 
in complaining about any athlete's gambling back then regardless of 
how bad it was, because if they did then people would expect them to 
really address the whole MJ gambling issue in depth.

Nice win even though they gave the Spurs too much hope at the end. 
Badly out-rebounded too, only some of which was our shooting better 
so fewer offensive boards available.
Kim  



From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  4 05:52:13 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 21:52:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rebounding
Message-ID: <998738.72240.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Is the box score right: did the Celtics really get outrebounded by 20 and still come away with a win?

(Nice win nonetheless.)

Also, anybody know why Shelden didn't play?


      


From gk_tyler at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  4 11:48:25 2009
From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 03:48:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Way Ray
Message-ID: <388142.37050.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Pack your forks and leave.

Sorry, couldn't resist.  That line is changed and stolen from the cooking challenge show that my wife watches.  I recommend it merely to see Padma, the Indian beauty who hosts it.  Plus, I'm joking, of course.  Most of us enjoy your wild ideas.

And, though we're roughly back on track--anyone who can do that to the Spurs is doing pretty well--still, we have a ways to go.  We need more quickness in rebounding and better bench play, the obvious insights.  I think we'll have more trouble with the Thunder tonight since the Spurs are old and slow like us, while the Thundah have the young guns who will fearlessly run and gun.  Should be a good one; were I free, I would go up to that one--about a 4 hours drive.

Looking forward to Davis and T. Allen returning.  Their energy should help.  Cheers, Gene



      

From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  4 12:41:50 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 04:41:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Rebounding
In-Reply-To: <998738.72240.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <859554.36224.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Doc had several head-scratchers last night and the bench, outside of Rasheed, played pretty terrible.  Conversely, it was the Spurs bench, led by Blair, who kept SA in the game.  Our starters against their starters was decidedly one-sided.  Rondo owned this game and Parker's french ass (who's over-rated now, Tony?).  Rondo made the two biggest plays down the stretch, a nice 15-footer with 2 minutes left to put us up 6 (his jumper IS getting better) and then a big strip of Parker as he drove for a layup which would have cut it to 2.

Williams would have definitely helped in the rebounding department, and he was probably the only guy on the squad capable of checking Blair.  Doc went with Scal instead (to match up with Bonner, who ended up killing us with hustles plays usually tip back offensive rebounds, though we defended him well on the perimeter).  

Our rebounding has been down from last season and our offensive rebounding especially has been terrible (I think we're last in the league in offensive rebounds AND 2nd chance points).  Baby will help in the offensive rebounding category when he returns.  

Ryan

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Rebounding
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
> Is the box score right: did the
> Celtics really get outrebounded by 20 and still come away
> with a win?
> 
> (Nice win nonetheless.)
> 
> Also, anybody know why Shelden didn't play?
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com  Fri Dec  4 13:11:13 2009
From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 05:11:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Just Wondering...
In-Reply-To: <0KU4002VS15LD4XT@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <eb36e0860912031339ua3e4983vdfa4093ca888cea9@mail.gmail.com>
	<689188.62678.qm@web56703.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<0KU4002VS15LD4XT@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <333039.1767.qm@web65501.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

With all due respect Kim, I think it was a reasonable question.? Your implication that anyone asking such a question has a taste for conspiracy theories is baseless.

I agree with you on the Spurs win.?But if we don't improve our rebounding this team may very well be bounced in the first round of the playoffs.




________________________________
From: Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net>
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 11:15:09 PM
Subject: Re: Just Wondering...

At 08:11 PM 12/3/2009, R Howe wrote:
> I tend to doubt it, not based on Antione the player person we have followed over the years but rather when Celebs/sports/political folks get wrapped up in scandal it is fair game and sport to pile on and have all kinds of dirt thrown at the person while they are down.

Sigh, mean spirited people do it to their relatives and neighbors too. Not just poking at celebrities and as a rule says more about the one piling on that the one being piled onto. The shaving accusation is just one person here (and probably some scattered elsewhere since there are always people who will think that way) with a taste for conspiracy theories, not some big grand public smear campaign against Walker, as you seem to be implying.

> It seems to me if Antione were doing such things during this period when he is down and out that someone would have dropped that dime.

Yes he did gamble while he was here.? You'd certainly hear of his being down in Foxwoods and not just for preseason games scheduled there. But of course it's not usually labeled a problem until you run into debt or other big problems over it, and he had the income to support it back then. While he also may have done a bit less of it through getting? some of the same compulsion satisfied by playing - with a lot of jocks its starts because they're competition junkies and it gives them another, nicely edgy outlet. While if you want conspiracy theories, perhaps the NBA was careful to not be too public in complaining about any athlete's gambling back then regardless of how bad it was, because if they did then people would expect them to really address the whole MJ gambling issue in depth.

Nice win even though they gave the Spurs too much hope at the end. Badly out-rebounded too, only some of which was our shooting better so fewer offensive boards available.
Kim? 

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From jlyell at verizon.net  Fri Dec  4 14:21:31 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:21:31 +0000
Subject: Rebounding
In-Reply-To: <859554.36224.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <998738.72240.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><859554.36224.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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Sheldon could have helped on blair, I don't Recall him playing much of any. We were lucky they didn't shoot well
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:41:50 
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: Re: Rebounding

Doc had several head-scratchers last night and the bench, outside of Rasheed, played pretty terrible.  Conversely, it was the Spurs bench, led by Blair, who kept SA in the game.  Our starters against their starters was decidedly one-sided.  Rondo owned this game and Parker's french ass (who's over-rated now, Tony?).  Rondo made the two biggest plays down the stretch, a nice 15-footer with 2 minutes left to put us up 6 (his jumper IS getting better) and then a big strip of Parker as he drove for a layup which would have cut it to 2.

Williams would have definitely helped in the rebounding department, and he was probably the only guy on the squad capable of checking Blair.  Doc went with Scal instead (to match up with Bonner, who ended up killing us with hustles plays usually tip back offensive rebounds, though we defended him well on the perimeter).  

Our rebounding has been down from last season and our offensive rebounding especially has been terrible (I think we're last in the league in offensive rebounds AND 2nd chance points).  Baby will help in the offensive rebounding category when he returns.  

Ryan

--- On Thu, 12/3/09, Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Rebounding
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
> Is the box score right: did the
> Celtics really get outrebounded by 20 and still come away
> with a win?
> 
> (Nice win nonetheless.)
> 
> Also, anybody know why Shelden didn't play?
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Fri Dec  4 17:51:19 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 12:51:19 -0500
Subject: Rebounding
In-Reply-To: <1632770534-1259936493-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1060445932-@bda255.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <20091204125119.RLS51.50969.imail@eastrmwml46>

Sheldon didn't play at all.  Doc is probably saving the bench for tonight, since the Spurs were supposedly the better team and needed his star players to carry the load.  Guarantee you that Williams and the rest of the bench get more minutes.
---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Sheldon could have helped on blair, I don't Recall him playing much of any. We were lucky they didn't shoot well
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:41:50 
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List<celtics at igtc.com>
> Subject: Re: Rebounding
> 
> Doc had several head-scratchers last night and the bench, outside of Rasheed, played pretty terrible.  Conversely, it was the Spurs bench, led by Blair, who kept SA in the game.  Our starters against their starters was decidedly one-sided.  Rondo owned this game and Parker's french ass (who's over-rated now, Tony?).  Rondo made the two biggest plays down the stretch, a nice 15-footer with 2 minutes left to put us up 6 (his jumper IS getting better) and then a big strip of Parker as he drove for a layup which would have cut it to 2.
> 
> Williams would have definitely helped in the rebounding department, and he was probably the only guy on the squad capable of checking Blair.  Doc went with Scal instead (to match up with Bonner, who ended up killing us with hustles plays usually tip back offensive rebounds, though we defended him well on the perimeter).  
> 
> Our rebounding has been down from last season and our offensive rebounding especially has been terrible (I think we're last in the league in offensive rebounds AND 2nd chance points).  Baby will help in the offensive rebounding category when he returns.  
> 
> Ryan
> 
> --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Rebounding
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
> > Is the box score right: did the
> > Celtics really get outrebounded by 20 and still come away
> > with a win?
> > 
> > (Nice win nonetheless.)
> > 
> > Also, anybody know why Shelden didn't play?
> > 
> > 
> > ? ? ? 
> > 
> >_______________________________________________
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> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > 
> 
> 
>       
> 
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From douglas342 at aol.com  Fri Dec  4 18:18:47 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 13:18:47 -0500
Subject: Rebounding
In-Reply-To: <20091204125119.RLS51.50969.imail@eastrmwml46>
Message-ID: <8CC43255B228696-2C94-8EE9@webmail-d097.sysops.aol.com>

The team is nowhere near at its best, but is still 15-4, one of the 
best in the NBA.  Not too shabby.

And I note that Rondo seems a lot less hesitant to shoot the jumper.  
That's really good.  There were times last year when it seemed like he 
was passing up wide open chances to pass the ball.  Maybe he won't make 
them, but at least now they have to guard him a bit.  If he could hit 
3-5 shots per game from outside 10', I'd be happy.


-----Original Message-----
From: davidp4660 at cox.net
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>; 
jlyell at verizon.net
Sent: Fri, Dec 4, 2009 9:51 am
Subject: Re: Rebounding


Sheldon didn't play at all.  Doc is probably saving the bench for 
tonight, since
the Spurs were supposedly the better team and needed his star players 
to carry
the load.  Guarantee you that Williams and the rest of the bench get 
more
minutes.
---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote:
> Sheldon could have helped on blair, I don't Recall him playing much 
of any. We
were lucky they didn't shoot well
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 04:41:50
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List<celtics at igtc.com>
> Subject: Re: Rebounding
>
> Doc had several head-scratchers last night and the bench, outside of 
Rasheed,
played pretty terrible.  Conversely, it was the Spurs bench, led by 
Blair, who
kept SA in the game.  Our starters against their starters was decidedly
one-sided.  Rondo owned this game and Parker's french ass (who's 
over-rated now,
Tony?).  Rondo made the two biggest plays down the stretch, a nice 
15-footer
with 2 minutes left to put us up 6 (his jumper IS getting better) and 
then a big
strip of Parker as he drove for a layup which would have cut it to 2.
>
> Williams would have definitely helped in the rebounding department, 
and he was
probably the only guy on the squad capable of checking Blair.  Doc went 
with
Scal instead (to match up with Bonner, who ended up killing us with 
hustles
plays usually tip back offensive rebounds, though we defended him well 
on the
perimeter).
>
> Our rebounding has been down from last season and our offensive 
rebounding
especially has been terrible (I think we're last in the league in 
offensive
rebounds AND 2nd chance points).  Baby will help in the offensive 
rebounding
category when he returns.
>
> Ryan
>
> --- On Thu, 12/3/09, Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > From: Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Rebounding
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Date: Thursday, December 3, 2009, 11:52 PM
> > Is the box score right: did the
> > Celtics really get outrebounded by 20 and still come away
> > with a win?
> >
> > (Nice win nonetheless.)
> >
> > Also, anybody know why Shelden didn't play?
> >
> >
> > ? ? ?
> >
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From renrile at qualcomm.com  Sat Dec  5 00:13:51 2009
From: renrile at qualcomm.com (Enrile, Roy)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 16:13:51 -0800
Subject: Rebounding
In-Reply-To: <859554.36224.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <998738.72240.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<859554.36224.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0938E4C6C3C7CF48BB2F343EC9CF1618157000BFD7@NASANEXMB02.na.qualcomm.com>

But the 07/08 Celts proved that you can have terrible offensive rebounding/second chance points team rankings, and still win a championship.   Part of the o-board problems both years is the C's were hot fg% shooters, so less misses & less chance at big o-board numbers.

07/08  22nd o-boards    6th fg%
Now    29th o-boards    3rd fg%

Back in 06/07 when the Celts had 2nd worst record in the league (when our top 6 included Al,Wally,Gomes,Del  instead of KG,Ray,Posey,Eddie who had the best record in the league) , the C's had 2nd worst  fg%, and had a better o-boards numbers than now.

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:42 AM

Our rebounding has been down from last season and our offensive rebounding especially has been terrible (I think we're last in the league in offensive rebounds AND 2nd chance points).  Baby will help in the offensive rebounding category when he returns.




From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec  5 03:33:10 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2009 22:33:10 -0500
Subject: Rebounding
In-Reply-To: <0938E4C6C3C7CF48BB2F343EC9CF1618157000BFD7@NASANEXMB02.na.qualcomm.com>
Message-ID: <20091204223310.NU6JN.57757.imail@eastrmwml41>

Depends on the teams and matchups, not to mention the "desire" to crash the boards.  Tonight was a completely different game than against the Spurs.  We litterally took the lightening away from the Thunder.  They are a nice team, but really, they don't impress me at all.  I like Westbrook,  but I love Kevin Durant.  He'd still be my # 1 selection over Greg Oden. The kid still has to learn to play defense.  he's a great offensive player, but for 6'10", he's a weak defender.  Sort of the opposite of Oden.
---- "Enrile wrote: 
> But the 07/08 Celts proved that you can have terrible offensive rebounding/second chance points team rankings, and still win a championship.   Part of the o-board problems both years is the C's were hot fg% shooters, so less misses & less chance at big o-board numbers.
> 
> 07/08  22nd o-boards    6th fg%
> Now    29th o-boards    3rd fg%
> 
> Back in 06/07 when the Celts had 2nd worst record in the league (when our top 6 included Al,Wally,Gomes,Del  instead of KG,Ray,Posey,Eddie who had the best record in the league) , the C's had 2nd worst  fg%, and had a better o-boards numbers than now.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2009 4:42 AM
> 
> Our rebounding has been down from last season and our offensive rebounding especially has been terrible (I think we're last in the league in offensive rebounds AND 2nd chance points).  Baby will help in the offensive rebounding category when he returns.
> 
> 
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From Mencius01 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 15:20:54 2009
From: Mencius01 at gmail.com (Mencius)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 08:20:54 -0700
Subject: Said it once
Message-ID: <cbab3fa40912050720i62754467nafd27949b5b5033e@mail.gmail.com>

Eggcentric wrote:

The deal on the present table that will likely never
> happen is:
>
> WE GET -  CHRIS PAUL and salary fodder Peterson and
> Songaila (who Danny previously traded for crapola picks
>
> Brandon Hunter and Orien Greene)
>
> NEW ORLEANS GETS -  RAY ALLEN and RONDO.
>
>
The only reason the Hornets would trade Chris Paul is because they're cash
starved.  Swapping Paul for  Rondo saves them some, but not enough.  Adding
Songaila and Peterson saves them some more, but still not enough, and only
for one year.  They'd at least force Posey's additional year down our
throats (rather than Peterson) for this to have any shot to go down, and I
don't think that'd get it done.

We'd have to take back a truly onerous salary for Shinn to pull the trigger
on a Paul trade.  Wonder if he regards Okafor's as such a salary.

With Rondo, Ray, and our expirings, we have enough to put together something
for Paul and Okafor.  How in god's name Shinn would sell that to his fan
base is another matter.  Maybe he'd pack up the moving vans and skip town in
the middle of the night or something.

From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec  5 16:55:28 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 11:55:28 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912050720i62754467nafd27949b5b5033e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091205115528.MUMS3.62924.imail@eastrmwml49>

I wouldn't do that deal.  I'll keep Rondo and Allen.  Peterson and Songaila suck, and no way Oakfor would be included.  For now, I'm satisfied with the status quo.  Chris Paul won't make us that much better, certainly not without Ray Allen.
---- Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Eggcentric wrote:
> 
> The deal on the present table that will likely never
> > happen is:
> >
> > WE GET -  CHRIS PAUL and salary fodder Peterson and
> > Songaila (who Danny previously traded for crapola picks
> >
> > Brandon Hunter and Orien Greene)
> >
> > NEW ORLEANS GETS -  RAY ALLEN and RONDO.
> >
> >
> The only reason the Hornets would trade Chris Paul is because they're cash
> starved.  Swapping Paul for  Rondo saves them some, but not enough.  Adding
> Songaila and Peterson saves them some more, but still not enough, and only
> for one year.  They'd at least force Posey's additional year down our
> throats (rather than Peterson) for this to have any shot to go down, and I
> don't think that'd get it done.
> 
> We'd have to take back a truly onerous salary for Shinn to pull the trigger
> on a Paul trade.  Wonder if he regards Okafor's as such a salary.
> 
> With Rondo, Ray, and our expirings, we have enough to put together something
> for Paul and Okafor.  How in god's name Shinn would sell that to his fan
> base is another matter.  Maybe he'd pack up the moving vans and skip town in
> the middle of the night or something.
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Sat Dec  5 18:46:09 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 13:46:09 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912050720i62754467nafd27949b5b5033e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20BE5F84.D4DA.4601.84D1.7A482E097657@aol.com>

On Dec 5, 2009, at 10:20:54 AM, Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote:
With Rondo, Ray, and our expirings, we have enough to put together something
for Paul and Okafor. How in god's name Shinn would sell that to his fan
base is another matter. Maybe he'd pack up the moving vans and skip town in
the middle of the night or something.
---------------------
Mencius, I'm not sure?where you are coming?from in your post. ?Let us not misinterpret?
the alleged proposed trade.

No one ever mentioned the possibility of your suggested additional expiring contractsin a?Rondo/Ray deal. ? Further,??any deal?for Chris Paul would NOT?also include 
Okafor. ?Even?Danny?doesn't have the balls to ask for that much in return. ??

The Shinn's (NO Hornets owners) may be rich, ?but I doubt they are stupid.
Thus I also doubt any suggested deal for Chris Paul will never happen..

Egg

From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 18:50:33 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 10:50:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912050720i62754467nafd27949b5b5033e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92957.41866.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

What you're all forgetting is that due to Rondo's new extension the Poison Pill and Base Year Compensation rules make trading him nearly IMPOSSIBLE until July 2011.  That was the subtext of giving Rondo an extension--doing so meant you basically can't trade him for 2 years.

The "deal on the present table" is impossible without major help from a third team WAY under the cap and even then it'd have to be done during this season.  NONE of the teams with cap space our going to be willing to facilitate this deal as the needed third team right before the summer 2010.

That being said, Ray and Rondo are better than Chris Paul too.  So, on multiple levels, this 'deal' is DOA.

Ryan  

--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Said it once
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 9:20 AM
> Eggcentric wrote:
> 
> The deal on the present table that will likely never
> > happen is:
> >
> > WE GET -? CHRIS PAUL and salary fodder Peterson
> and
> > Songaila (who Danny previously traded for crapola
> picks
> >
> > Brandon Hunter and Orien Greene)
> >
> > NEW ORLEANS GETS -? RAY ALLEN and RONDO.
> >
> >
> The only reason the Hornets would trade Chris Paul is
> because they're cash
> starved.? Swapping Paul for? Rondo saves them
> some, but not enough.? Adding
> Songaila and Peterson saves them some more, but still not
> enough, and only
> for one year.? They'd at least force Posey's
> additional year down our
> throats (rather than Peterson) for this to have any shot to
> go down, and I
> don't think that'd get it done.
> 
> We'd have to take back a truly onerous salary for Shinn to
> pull the trigger
> on a Paul trade.? Wonder if he regards Okafor's as
> such a salary.
> 
> With Rondo, Ray, and our expirings, we have enough to put
> together something
> for Paul and Okafor.? How in god's name Shinn would
> sell that to his fan
> base is another matter.? Maybe he'd pack up the moving
> vans and skip town in
> the middle of the night or something.
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From Mencius01 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 19:33:34 2009
From: Mencius01 at gmail.com (Mencius)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:33:34 -0700
Subject: Said it once
Message-ID: <cbab3fa40912051133p2eb9ae93nf558a253f87e3734@mail.gmail.com>

Egg, I know that adding Okafor was not part of the proposed trade that you
reported.  And I know that you said the trade as proposed was highly
unlikely.  I was concurring that it was unlikely in the extreme, as the
savings to Shinn in the proposed trade were not enough to compensate for the
loss of Paul, and that, ime, to trade Paul, Shinn would have to realize huge
savings, and the proposed trade did not provide that.  Okafor represents the
only contract (other than Paul's) that could possibly represent that huge
savings.  My adding Okafor doesn't make the trade any less unlikely.  It's
just that, if getting rid of Paul is all about saving money anyway, how much
sack does it actually take for Danny to ask Shinn to include Okafor, the
only contract the Hornets have that would actually save them big money?

Anyway, Ryan rightly points out what I had completely forgotten about,
Rondo's base year status, which makes the whole conversation moot.  Only
sort of lame that I would have forgetten about Rondo's status, but highly
unlikely that Danny would have done so, making the purported deal on the
present table seem really dubious.

I'd happily settle for Danny bringing in a competent backup PG, because the
lack of one is going to bite us in the ass sooner or later.



> Mencius, I'm not sure where you are coming from in your post.  Let us not
> misinterpret
> the alleged proposed trade.
>
> No one ever mentioned the possibility of your suggested additional expiring
> contractsin a Rondo/Ray deal.   Further,  any deal for Chris Paul would NOT
> also include
> Okafor.  Even Danny doesn't have the balls to ask for that much in
> return.
>
> The Shinn's (NO Hornets owners) may be rich,  but I doubt they are stupid.
> Thus I also doubt any suggested deal for Chris Paul will never happen..
>
> Egg

From eggcentric at aol.com  Sat Dec  5 19:54:12 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 14:54:12 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <92957.41866.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5ABFCE2D.9CF1.4A5F.BF90.5A41D07F9F47@aol.com>

< What you're all forgetting is that due to Rondo's new extension the Poison 
Pill and Base Year Compensation rules make trading him nearly IMPOSSIBLE until 
July 2011. That was the subtext of giving Rondo an extension--doing so meant 
you basically can't trade him for 2 years.> - Ubi

Geeesh, ?Ubi, ?who better than you to tell Danny it's impossible ... that he can't trade Rondo 
(or any other recent re-signed player) for two years, even if it is the year prior to his extended
contract. ? Enter Ray Allen into the same trade talks. ?Is his trade ok?

Think Danny and Wyc don't understand the CAP ramifications of the 50% discount in re-signing?
and then months later trading a player? ?Maybe you should be on the?Celtics' payroll. ?
Our team obviously needs a CAP expert like you to set them straight.

>From the NBA salary cap FAQ -?

< Here is an example of a BYC calculation: A player earned $2 million in 2004-05, after which?
he became a free agent. He then signs a new contract (re-signing with his previous team,?which is 
over the salary cap) starting at $9 million. This player qualifies for BYC, so his trade?value is the 
greater of his previous salary ($2 million) or 50% of his new salary ($4.5 million),?or $4.5 million. 
So this player, who actually earns $9 million, is worth $4.5 million for trading?purposes. >?
??---------------------- ? ?

On Dec 5, 2009, at 1:50:33 PM, "Ryan W" <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:

From:   "Ryan W" <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
Subject:    Re: Said it once
Date:   December 5, 2009 1:50:33 PM EST
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>

The "deal on the present table" is impossible without major help from a third team WAY under the cap and even then it'd have to be done during this season. NONE of the teams with cap space our going to be willing to facilitate this deal as the needed third team right before the summer 2010.

That being said, Ray and Rondo are better than Chris Paul too. So, on multiple levels, this 'deal' is DOA.

Ryan?

--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Said it once
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 9:20 AM
> Eggcentric wrote:
>?
> The deal on the present table that will likely never
> > happen is:
> >
> > WE GET -? CHRIS PAUL and salary fodder Peterson
> and
> > Songaila (who Danny previously traded for crapola
> picks
> >
> > Brandon Hunter and Orien Greene)
> >
> > NEW ORLEANS GETS -? RAY ALLEN and RONDO.
> >
> >
> The only reason the Hornets would trade Chris Paul is
> because they're cash
> starved.? Swapping Paul for? Rondo saves them
> some, but not enough.? Adding
> Songaila and Peterson saves them some more, but still not
> enough, and only
> for one year.? They'd at least force Posey's
> additional year down our
> throats (rather than Peterson) for this to have any shot to
> go down, and I
> don't think that'd get it done.
>?
> We'd have to take back a truly onerous salary for Shinn to
> pull the trigger
> on a Paul trade.? Wonder if he regards Okafor's as
> such a salary.
>?
> With Rondo, Ray, and our expirings, we have enough to put
> together something
> for Paul and Okafor.? How in god's name Shinn would
> sell that to his fan
> base is another matter.? Maybe he'd pack up the moving
> vans and skip town in
> the middle of the night or something.
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec  5 20:03:31 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:03:31 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912051133p2eb9ae93nf558a253f87e3734@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091205150331.R6RI0.65705.imail@eastrmwml40>

Take the tie off Tyrone and there's your backup.
---- Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Egg, I know that adding Okafor was not part of the proposed trade that you
> reported.  And I know that you said the trade as proposed was highly
> unlikely.  I was concurring that it was unlikely in the extreme, as the
> savings to Shinn in the proposed trade were not enough to compensate for the
> loss of Paul, and that, ime, to trade Paul, Shinn would have to realize huge
> savings, and the proposed trade did not provide that.  Okafor represents the
> only contract (other than Paul's) that could possibly represent that huge
> savings.  My adding Okafor doesn't make the trade any less unlikely.  It's
> just that, if getting rid of Paul is all about saving money anyway, how much
> sack does it actually take for Danny to ask Shinn to include Okafor, the
> only contract the Hornets have that would actually save them big money?
> 
> Anyway, Ryan rightly points out what I had completely forgotten about,
> Rondo's base year status, which makes the whole conversation moot.  Only
> sort of lame that I would have forgetten about Rondo's status, but highly
> unlikely that Danny would have done so, making the purported deal on the
> present table seem really dubious.
> 
> I'd happily settle for Danny bringing in a competent backup PG, because the
> lack of one is going to bite us in the ass sooner or later.
> 
> 
> 
> > Mencius, I'm not sure where you are coming from in your post.  Let us not
> > misinterpret
> > the alleged proposed trade.
> >
> > No one ever mentioned the possibility of your suggested additional expiring
> > contractsin a Rondo/Ray deal.   Further,  any deal for Chris Paul would NOT
> > also include
> > Okafor.  Even Danny doesn't have the balls to ask for that much in
> > return.
> >
> > The Shinn's (NO Hornets owners) may be rich,  but I doubt they are stupid.
> > Thus I also doubt any suggested deal for Chris Paul will never happen..
> >
> > Egg
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From Mencius01 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 20:20:49 2009
From: Mencius01 at gmail.com (Mencius)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:20:49 -0700
Subject: Said it once
Message-ID: <cbab3fa40912051220n7314ea79q3469dfaf7e5fd91d@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Take the tie off Tyrone and there's your backup.
>
> Are you comfortable with the guys presently playing backup PG?  If not, do
you feel Lue could competently man the position, or at least be an
improvement over what we've got?  If not, would you use the expirings to
bring in a better backup PG, or would they be better used for a backup SF?

Your comment above pretty much implies that you feel Lue could do the job.

From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 20:50:16 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 12:50:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <5ABFCE2D.9CF1.4A5F.BF90.5A41D07F9F47@aol.com>
Message-ID: <424999.72569.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 12/5/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

> From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Said it once
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 1:54 PM
> < What you're all forgetting is
> that due to Rondo's new extension the Poison 
> Pill and Base Year Compensation rules make trading him
> nearly IMPOSSIBLE until 
> July 2011. That was the subtext of giving Rondo an
> extension--doing so meant 
> you basically can't trade him for 2 years.> - Ubi
> 
> Geeesh, ?Ubi, ?who better than you to tell Danny it's
> impossible ... that he can't trade Rondo 
> (or any other recent re-signed player) for two years, even
> if it is the year prior to his extended
> contract. ? Enter Ray Allen into the same trade talks.
> ?Is his trade ok?

I'm no expert, Egg.  Kim probably knows better and hopefully she'll weigh in on this subject shortly.  But I can read reasonably well.  Rondo's basically untradeable unless a third team is involved to absorb salaries to make the #s work out between BOS and New Orleans in the 'deal on the present table.' BYC rules cover newly extended players, while the 'Poison Pill' provision covers extended rookies in the period between when the deal was signed and when it goes into effect.  

Read it for yrself:

From http://members.cox.net/lmcoon/salarycap.htm#Q73

"If a team trades an extended rookie between the date his extension is signed and the date it takes effect, his "trade value" for the receiving team is the average of the salaries in the last year of the scale contract and each year of the extension. This is called the poison pill provision. The sending team uses the player's actual salary when calculating their outgoing salary. They use the current-year maximum salary in place of the (unknown) maximum salary for a future season, if necessary.

Here is an example of a poison pill calculation: Carmelo Anthony earns $4,694,041 in 2006-07, the final year of his rookie scale contract. Prior to October 31, 2006 he signed a five year extension (bringing the total seasons to six) for the maximum salary, with the maximum 10.5% raises. Anthony's actual salary will not be determined until July 2007, when the maximum salary amounts for 2007-08 are set. During the 2006-07 season the 2006-07 maximum is assumed for the 2007-08 season ($13,762,775), and the salary in subsequent seasons is based on this amount ($15,070,550, $16,378,325 and $17,686,100, respectively). If Anthony is traded during the 2006-07 season, then his outgoing salary from the Nuggets' perspective is his actual salary of $4,694,041. His incoming salary from the other team's perspective would be $13,518,358 -- the average of his 2006-07 salary and the assumed salaries in the extension."

________

Not knowing the exact #s in terms of yearly salary in Rondo's contract, and not being willing to figure them out, or how they would combine to create Rondo's 'poison pill' value, I can just tell you that it's VERY VERY hard to trade a player who just got his rookie contract extended--that's why Rondo is basically UNTRADEABLE until July 2011, when his BYC status goes away.  

So, in short, Rondo's under the Poison Pill provision until next season, and then during the 2010 season, he's under the BYC rule, both of which make him very hard to trade. 

Additionally, Chris Paul himself has BYC restrictions until July 2010, further complicating the already immaculately complicated 'deal on the present table.' 

It's VERY VERY hard to trade one player with BYC or Poison Pill restrictions....and it's next to IMPOSSIBLE to trade two of them for each other.

> 
> Think Danny and Wyc don't understand the CAP ramifications
> of the 50% discount in re-signing?
> and then months later trading a player? ?Maybe you should
> be on the?Celtics' payroll. ?
> Our team obviously needs a CAP expert like you to set them
> straight.

Like I said before, not being able to trade him for two years (if extended) was the subtext of his extension negotiations.  By doing the extension, they basically tied themselves to Rondo for the next 2 seasons, barring a miraculously constructed 3 team trade.  

I'm positive Danny and Wyc were/are aware of the CAP ramifications, which is why the extension negotiations (and Danny's summer salvo regarding improvements he'd like see Rondo make) took on the character they did.  The Cs needed demonstrable improvement in Rondo's game to not only give him big dollars, but to also tie their hands for 2 years in terms of possibly trading him down the line.  And since he is/was probably their most valuable trading asset, it was a big decision for which they wanted demonstrable improvements (which Rondo has shown).  All the principles involved in the negotiations were intimately aware of this.

To even begin *contemplating* trading Rondo for Paul (with both players under trade restrictions) would require CAP experts galore, hundreds of work hours crunching the #s...on both sides of the deal.  And that's to simply *contemplate* it.

Trades usually require interested parties.  In the NBA, they also require comparable salaries.  And, in the particular case of Rondo and Paul, they require salary cap experts on both sides and the probable necessity of a 3rd team willing to take on salary to make the #s work.  

At this point, it's debatable whether we even have interested parties.  That's why the 'deal on the present table' is DOA, IMO.

Ryan



      


From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  5 21:19:04 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 13:19:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Keep That Fork Stuck In The Celtics
Message-ID: <402939.86334.qm@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Playing better as of late, but so are the Cavs, Suns, Lakers, Nuggets, Magic and Mavs.

The real problems with the Celtics continue to persist, even if somewhat
hidden by their recent win streak, and those issues will be exploited by the above teams.

Let's go to the scoreboard:

- KG has morphed into Chris Webber.

- Who has kidnapped the real Marquis Daniels?

- Athletic frontcourts are mauling the Celtics on the boards. This is
a club with a rebounding problem and a need for another athlete in the starting lineup.

- House, has been terrible, no surprise, as the backup pg, and we wonder if
Ainge will ever address the problem?

- Their perimeter defense, and lack of a 6-8-and-above-defender continues to be exposed, latest example is Durant, but big outside shooters have been
torching the club all season long.

Ray


      


From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec  5 21:27:56 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:27:56 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912051220n7314ea79q3469dfaf7e5fd91d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091205162756.LKM6W.66619.imail@eastrmwml40>

As opposed to what's out there in the unemployment line?  Yes.  Unless you want another shot at Marbury.
---- Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> >
> > Take the tie off Tyrone and there's your backup.
> >
> > Are you comfortable with the guys presently playing backup PG?  If not, do
> you feel Lue could competently man the position, or at least be an
> improvement over what we've got?  If not, would you use the expirings to
> bring in a better backup PG, or would they be better used for a backup SF?
> 
> Your comment above pretty much implies that you feel Lue could do the job.
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec  5 21:29:25 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:29:25 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912051220n7314ea79q3469dfaf7e5fd91d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091205162925.2MQVI.66637.imail@eastrmwml40>

Besides, what are we talking about- 8-10 minutes?  I'd even go with the present roster before Lue.  But, we are rolling the dice without an insurance policy.  I see Lue in the same role as Sam I am.
---- Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> >
> > Take the tie off Tyrone and there's your backup.
> >
> > Are you comfortable with the guys presently playing backup PG?  If not, do
> you feel Lue could competently man the position, or at least be an
> improvement over what we've got?  If not, would you use the expirings to
> bring in a better backup PG, or would they be better used for a backup SF?
> 
> Your comment above pretty much implies that you feel Lue could do the job.
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From Mencius01 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 21:36:22 2009
From: Mencius01 at gmail.com (Mencius)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 14:36:22 -0700
Subject: Said it once
Message-ID: <cbab3fa40912051336g578ba30by915db44a85ac4cf5@mail.gmail.com>

>
> As opposed to what's out there in the unemployment line?  Yes.  Unless you
> want another shot at Marbury.


Not limited to what's in the unemployment line.  We do have expirings that
we could use, as I suggested in my previous post.

From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec  5 21:39:25 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 16:39:25 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912051336g578ba30by915db44a85ac4cf5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091205163925.WAV9Q.66741.imail@eastrmwml40>

But your previous post had Rondo and Allen as bait (if that's the post you were referring to).  I'd rather have Rondo and Allen than Paul and garbage.
---- Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> >
> > As opposed to what's out there in the unemployment line?  Yes.  Unless you
> > want another shot at Marbury.
> 
> 
> Not limited to what's in the unemployment line.  We do have expirings that
> we could use, as I suggested in my previous post.
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From Mencius01 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 22:12:53 2009
From: Mencius01 at gmail.com (Mencius)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:12:53 -0700
Subject: Said it once
Message-ID: <cbab3fa40912051412l328bad30l1be8976938b36dd7@mail.gmail.com>

The following is the post I was referring to, asking if you were
comfortable with the play of
our current backup PGs (and pseudo-backup PGs), and whether you would
use our expirings to get
a better backup PG.  (Not the whole Ray and Rondo for Paul, etc convo)
*
*

Are you comfortable with the guys presently playing backup PG? If not, do
> you feel Lue could competently man the position, or at least be an
> improvement over what we've got? * If not, would you use the expirings to
> bring in a better backup PG*, or would they be better used for a backup
> SF?
>

From Mencius01 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 22:25:06 2009
From: Mencius01 at gmail.com (Mencius)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 15:25:06 -0700
Subject: Said it once
Message-ID: <cbab3fa40912051425m11a38126r6b804319fbe16812@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Besides, what are we talking about- 8-10 minutes?  I'd even go with the
> present roster before Lue.  But, we are rolling the dice without an
> insurance policy.  I see Lue in the same role as Sam I am.


Rondo averages 33 mins a game.  I don't know how many minutes a potential
backup PG would get, but they'd be important minutes, nonetheless.  As we
have seen, the second unit often seems in disarray offensively and House is
not exactly stellar defensively.  I'd look for improved backup PG play, not
just an insurance policy.

From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec  5 23:45:06 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:45:06 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912051412l328bad30l1be8976938b36dd7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091205184506.VOMKI.44137.imail@eastrmwml38>

Based on this post (sorry for the confusion), I'd rather go after another wing- a longer one.  I think Lue is good enough insurance, and I'd save the expiring contracts for a defensive wing.  This year, or at  least for now, I wouldn't use Ray's contract.
As we get closer to the trading deadline, Scal and Tony might yield something along with a player or two.  That's if tony ever comes back. As long as Rondo stays healthy, I'm comfortable with House, Daniels, Allen and Pierce bringing the ball up.  Again, we are only looking at 8-10 minutes per game, most of which is at the end of the quarters.  And at the end of the game, if it's close, I don't want Rondo shooting free throws, unless he can learn how.  The aforementioned can hit them, although Daniels still has a sore hand.
---- Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> The following is the post I was referring to, asking if you were
> comfortable with the play of
> our current backup PGs (and pseudo-backup PGs), and whether you would
> use our expirings to get
> a better backup PG.  (Not the whole Ray and Rondo for Paul, etc convo)
> *
> *
> 
> Are you comfortable with the guys presently playing backup PG? If not, do
> > you feel Lue could competently man the position, or at least be an
> > improvement over what we've got? * If not, would you use the expirings to
> > bring in a better backup PG*, or would they be better used for a backup
> > SF?
> >
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> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics


From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec  5 23:48:06 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 18:48:06 -0500
Subject: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912051425m11a38126r6b804319fbe16812@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091205184806.E8M10.44162.imail@eastrmwml38>

Those 33 minutes will change when doc shortens the rotation.  I can see rondo upping minutes to 37-38 as he has the legs and conditioning to do so.  of the other remaining minutes, better than half won't require a natural pg.  I only see a good 5 or 6 minutes where we would need a pure pg.  Lue can fill that role if or when we can make room.  Personally, I think that's why Ainge got Lue as a coach.  Like we needed another 3 piece suit on the bench! :-)
---- Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> >
> > Besides, what are we talking about- 8-10 minutes?  I'd even go with the
> > present roster before Lue.  But, we are rolling the dice without an
> > insurance policy.  I see Lue in the same role as Sam I am.
> 
> 
> Rondo averages 33 mins a game.  I don't know how many minutes a potential
> backup PG would get, but they'd be important minutes, nonetheless.  As we
> have seen, the second unit often seems in disarray offensively and House is
> not exactly stellar defensively.  I'd look for improved backup PG play, not
> just an insurance policy.
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From douglas342 at aol.com  Sun Dec  6 00:20:59 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009 19:20:59 EST
Subject: Said it once
Message-ID: <3699.6fcef2e8.384c52eb@aol.com>

OK, the inevitable dumb question.  Please, no eye-rolling.  We  have 15 on 
the roster right now.  Who leaves to make way for Lue (or anyone  else?)  
Can a team simply release a player (assuming they settle the  contractual 
issues and understand that the salary still counts for cap  purposes)?  The team 
website does show Hudson as an unsigned pick, although  that roster appears 
to be dated 9/4/09.  Is he playing for free?
 
 
In a message dated 12/5/2009 3:48:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,  
davidp4660 at cox.net writes:

Those 33  minutes will change when doc shortens the rotation.  I can see 
rondo  upping minutes to 37-38 as he has the legs and conditioning to do so.  
of  the other remaining minutes, better than half won't require a natural  
pg.  I only see a good 5 or 6 minutes where we would need a pure  pg.  Lue 
can fill that role if or when we can make room.   Personally, I think that's 
why Ainge got Lue as a coach.  Like we needed  another 3 piece suit on the 
bench! :-)
---- Mencius  <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote: 
> >
>  >

From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Sun Dec  6 00:48:48 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Sat, 05 Dec 2009 19:48:48 -0500
Subject: Doug - Re: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <3699.6fcef2e8.384c52eb@aol.com>
References: <3699.6fcef2e8.384c52eb@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KU7000UAGXUUKJ1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>

At 07:20 PM 12/5/2009, douglas342 at aol.com wrote:
>OK, the inevitable dumb question.

It's not a dumb question. It's a variation on the point I save my 
breath posting to this sort of discussion.

>Please, no eye-rolling.  We  have 15 on
>the roster right now.  Who leaves to make way for Lue (or anyone  else?)
>Can a team simply release a player (assuming they settle the  contractual
>issues and understand that the salary still counts for 
>cap  purposes)?  The team
>website does show Hudson as an unsigned pick, although  that roster appears
>to be dated 9/4/09.  Is he playing for free?

OK, first it depends upon the terms of the contract - if it is fully 
guaranteed or not. If not, you may be able to cut him with none or 
minimal cost, again depending upon the terms (some contracts' status 
changes as of a certain date, separate from the leaguewide the rest 
of this year is guaranteed date) But since most NBA contracts are 
guaranteed we'll go with that.

To release a player you have to first have to work out if you're just 
going to cut him or arrange a buyout to lessen the hit if he agrees.

Once that's decided you have to put him on waivers. That means any 
other team can claim him, but of course then they also have to pick 
up the contract. That will, however get him off your cap.

Assuming a player passes waivers, as most do, then you can either cut 
him but he remains on your cap or buy him out and he remains on your 
cap for the term of the remaining contract but at the buyout amount, 
allocated equally over that time.

However, don't forget the kicker - you are liable for both his salary 
and the luxury tax on his salary plus the new salary and the luxury 
tax on the new salary. So cutting a player to sign someone else for 
even a couple million will likely cost you closer to $6-8 million in 
the end. I get really tired of hearing how we can sign this guy for 
nothing and just cut him with no harm done if it doesn't work out, 
both because of the cap consequences and because of it meaning you 
can't / won't sign someone else for reasons of cost / roster spot 
used to sign him.

Hudson was the only borderline dumb question since I know you don't 
believe he's playing for free - you can't play in the NBA unless 
you're under contract and there is a minimum allowed contract value 
based on years of experience (usually referred to as the veteran's 
minimum, but in fact there's a value for rookies as well). So no, 
he's not playing for free.
Kim 



From snoopy at celticsbeagle.net  Sun Dec  6 05:22:56 2009
From: snoopy at celticsbeagle.net (Snoopy the Celtics Beagle)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:22:56 -0500
Subject: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
Message-ID: <20091206052325.02FA9E1C089@ignite.igtc.com>


December 05 2009
The Celtics were luckier than they knew three years ago.

As we enjoy the current success of the Celtics, I want to take you 
back for a moment to three years ago.

It's late June, and the Celtics, after a horrible season lowlighted 
by Paul Pierce suffering a serious injury that saw an extended losing 
streak unfold, fans had been looking forward to the idea of perhaps 
getting some payback from the Tim Duncan lottery blowup by having a 
choice between Greg Oden and Kevin Durant, had just learned that the 
Celtics would be drafting 5th in a two man dream draft.

Danny Ainge took that pick, and (against my specific opinion at the 
time, not that he ever read that) traded the draft rights to Jeff 
Green--along with players Wally Szczerbiak and Delonte West--to get 
Ray Allen and Glen Davis.

This trade was followed in short order by the trade that brought 
Kevin Garnett to the Celtics, and one year later, Banner 17 came home.

Greg Oden, meantime, went to the Portland Trailblazers, who had 
netted a top pick for the second year running.

But Greg's rookie season was a disaster.  Microfracture surgery on 
his right knee sidelined him the whole season.  His next season was 
slightly better, as he only missed 20 games with two different 
injuries, one to his foot, and the other a bone chip in his left knee.

This year, his third season is now likely ended after he fractured 
his left patella during a game against the Houston Rockets.

Back in 2007, along with oodles of other Celtics fans, I thought the 
Good Guys had been very unlucky not to get the chance to draft Oden.

Tonight, as we seem to be having another outstanding season despite 
our share of injuries, I think maybe we were luckier than we knew.

And that's the view from the doghouse.


Snoopy the Celtics Beagle
Please visit the <http://www.celticsbeagle.net/>Celtics Beagle Website 

From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Sun Dec  6 05:32:30 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 00:32:30 -0500
Subject: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
In-Reply-To: <20091206052325.02FA9E1C089@ignite.igtc.com>
References: <20091206052325.02FA9E1C089@ignite.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <0KU70047SU36BI41@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>

At 12:22 AM 12/6/2009, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle wrote:

>December 05 2009
>The Celtics were luckier than they knew three years ago.
>
><snip>But Greg's rookie season was a disaster.  Microfracture 
>surgery on his right knee sidelined him the whole season.  His next 
>season was slightly better, as he only missed 20 games with two 
>different injuries, one to his foot, and the other a bone chip in 
>his left knee.
>
>This year, his third season is now likely ended after he fractured 
>his left patella during a game against the Houston Rockets.

Seriously, I just heard about that. Man, this is like the second 
coming of Sam Bowie with Durant playing MJ. Gotta assume they've done 
tests to see if he has particularly brittle bones for a fixable 
reason  / one of those syndromes that sometimes go along with great 
height that isn't going to go away.

>Back in 2007, along with oodles of other Celtics fans, I thought the 
>Good Guys had been very unlucky not to get the chance to draft Oden.
>
>Tonight, as we seem to be having another outstanding season despite 
>our share of injuries, I think maybe we were luckier than we knew.

Yeah, don't always agree but I certainly agree here.  Wasn't in favor 
of the idea of relying on the draft and rookies when so many can't 
miss do, but Oden is the one I would have picked if I'd been picking 
because of the defensive needs.

As the Stones said:
You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need 



From douglas342 at aol.com  Sun Dec  6 06:44:03 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 01:44:03 -0500
Subject: Doug - Re: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <0KU7000UAGXUUKJ1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <3699.6fcef2e8.384c52eb@aol.com>
	<0KU7000UAGXUUKJ1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <8CC4456A24FA8F0-49B4-15EB7@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com>

OK. I assumed that his salary (and any cap implications) would be 
unaffected by cutting him, and I also assumed he isn't playing for 
free, although there are probably folks out there who would, just in 
the hopes of hitting the dream. I did say in my question that I assume 
his salary still counts for cap purposes.

Ergo, signing Lue as a player would cost at least double Hudson's 
salary (Lue's plus Hudson's) and it doesn't kick us way into lux tax 
territory. But we COULD free up the roster space.

Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net>
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>; celtics at igtc.com
Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2009 4:48 pm
Subject: Doug - Re: Said it once


At 07:20 PM 12/5/2009, douglas342 at aol.com wrote:?
>OK, the inevitable dumb question.?
?
It's not a dumb question. It's a variation on the point I save my 
breath posting to this sort of discussion.?
?
>Please, no eye-rolling. We have 15 on?
>the roster right now. Who leaves to make way for Lue (or anyone else?)?
>Can a team simply release a player (assuming they settle the 
contractual?
>issues and understand that the salary still counts for >cap purposes)? 
The team?
>website does show Hudson as an unsigned pick, although that roster 
appears?
>to be dated 9/4/09. Is he playing for free??
?
OK, first it depends upon the terms of the contract - if it is fully 
guaranteed or not. If not, you may be able to cut him with none or 
minimal cost, again depending upon the terms (some contracts' status 
changes as of a certain date, separate from the leaguewide the rest of 
this year is guaranteed date) But since most NBA contracts are 
guaranteed we'll go with that.?
?
To release a player you have to first have to work out if you're just 
going to cut him or arrange a buyout to lessen the hit if he agrees.?
?
Once that's decided you have to put him on waivers. That means any 
other team can claim him, but of course then they also have to pick up 
the contract. That will, however get him off your cap.?
?
Assuming a player passes waivers, as most do, then you can either cut 
him but he remains on your cap or buy him out and he remains on your 
cap for the term of the remaining contract but at the buyout amount, 
allocated equally over that time.?
?
However, don't forget the kicker - you are liable for both his salary 
and the luxury tax on his salary plus the new salary and the luxury tax 
on the new salary. So cutting a player to sign someone else for even a 
couple million will likely cost you closer to $6-8 million in the end. 
I get really tired of hearing how we can sign this guy for nothing and 
just cut him with no harm done if it doesn't work out, both because of 
the cap consequences and because of it meaning you can't / won't sign 
someone else for reasons of cost / roster spot used to sign him.?
?
Hudson was the only borderline dumb question since I know you don't 
believe he's playing for free - you can't play in the NBA unless you're 
under contract and there is a minimum allowed contract value based on 
years of experience (usually referred to as the veteran's minimum, but 
in fact there's a value for rookies as well). So no, he's not playing 
for free.?
Kim ?
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From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Sun Dec  6 08:35:59 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2009 03:35:59 -0500
Subject: Doug - Re: Said it once
In-Reply-To: <8CC4456A24FA8F0-49B4-15EB7@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com>
References: <3699.6fcef2e8.384c52eb@aol.com>
	<0KU7000UAGXUUKJ1@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
	<8CC4456A24FA8F0-49B4-15EB7@webmail-m079.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KU800GNJ2LBGZPE@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>

At 01:44 AM 12/6/2009, douglas342 at aol.com wrote:
>OK. I assumed that his salary (and any cap implications) would be 
>unaffected by cutting him, and I also assumed he isn't playing for 
>free, although there are probably folks out there who would, just in 
>the hopes of hitting the dream. I did say in my question that I 
>assume his salary still counts for cap purposes. Ergo, signing Lue 
>as a player would cost at least double Hudson's salary (Lue's plus 
>Hudson's) and it doesn't kick us way into lux tax territory.

Yeah, except it doesn't kick us way into lux tax territory only 
because we're already there though. That's why I said it would cost 
us more than just the two salaries.
Kim 



From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Sun Dec  6 11:52:38 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:52:38 -0500
Subject: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
In-Reply-To: <0KU70047SU36BI41@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <20091206052325.02FA9E1C089@ignite.igtc.com>
	<0KU70047SU36BI41@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <200912061152.nB6Bqdro025417@apollo.afrc.af.mil>

Was it Bill Simmons that said Oden was actually 34 years old? I think he needs to reverse those numbers and add about 30. What's next for this kid - fall and break a hip?


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Kim Malo
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 12:33 AM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around. :)

At 12:22 AM 12/6/2009, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle wrote:

>December 05 2009
>The Celtics were luckier than they knew three years ago.
>
><snip>But Greg's rookie season was a disaster.  Microfracture 
>surgery on his right knee sidelined him the whole season.  His next 
>season was slightly better, as he only missed 20 games with two 
>different injuries, one to his foot, and the other a bone chip in 
>his left knee.
>
>This year, his third season is now likely ended after he fractured 
>his left patella during a game against the Houston Rockets.

Seriously, I just heard about that. Man, this is like the second 
coming of Sam Bowie with Durant playing MJ. Gotta assume they've done 
tests to see if he has particularly brittle bones for a fixable 
reason  / one of those syndromes that sometimes go along with great 
height that isn't going to go away.

>Back in 2007, along with oodles of other Celtics fans, I thought the 
>Good Guys had been very unlucky not to get the chance to draft Oden.
>
>Tonight, as we seem to be having another outstanding season despite 
>our share of injuries, I think maybe we were luckier than we knew.

Yeah, don't always agree but I certainly agree here.  Wasn't in favor 
of the idea of relying on the draft and rookies when so many can't 
miss do, but Oden is the one I would have picked if I'd been picking 
because of the defensive needs.

As the Stones said:
You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need 


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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 12:45:58 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 04:45:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hudson!
In-Reply-To: <cbab3fa40912051425m11a38126r6b804319fbe16812@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <563996.16392.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

LESTER HUDSON!
start playing him now and he will grow up enough by playoffs to help us.? Or, Tyronne Lue if you must have a 10-year vet for a 10 minutes a game.

Rondo is young enough to play the whole game if Hudson screws up.? To me, the most important thing to keep going when Rondo sits is tempo, which Hudson can provide, along with a good handle, decent passing, and great shooting.? He gets his hands on the ball on D and can learn rotations etc w/more playing time.? C'mon, Doc!

Ellie

--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com>
Subject: Said it once
To: celtics at igtc.com
Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 5:25 PM

>
> Besides, what are we talking about- 8-10 minutes?? I'd even go with the
> present roster before Lue.? But, we are rolling the dice without an
> insurance policy.? I see Lue in the same role as Sam I am.


Rondo averages 33 mins a game.? I don't know how many minutes a potential
backup PG would get, but they'd be important minutes, nonetheless.? As we
have seen, the second unit often seems in disarray offensively and House is
not exactly stellar defensively.? I'd look for improved backup PG play, not
just an insurance policy.
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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 13:07:34 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 05:07:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Oden
In-Reply-To: <0KU70047SU36BI41@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <733947.53134.qm@web63108.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Sorry to hear about Oden's knee.?? My personal knock against him on draft day was that he didn't seem to LOVE playing basketball.? Watching him in college, he so often seemed indifferent.? All that talent without the heart to match.?? And, he was injury prone as I recall.?? That said, still a shame for him to have his body give out like this.

Ellie

--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 12:32 AM

At 12:22 AM 12/6/2009, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle wrote:

> December 05 2009
> The Celtics were luckier than they knew three years ago.
> 
> <snip>But Greg's rookie season was a disaster.? Microfracture surgery on his right knee sidelined him the whole season.? His next season was slightly better, as he only missed 20 games with two different injuries, one to his foot, and the other a bone chip in his left knee.
> 
> This year, his third season is now likely ended after he fractured his left patella during a game against the Houston Rockets.

Seriously, I just heard about that. Man, this is like the second coming of Sam Bowie with Durant playing MJ. Gotta assume they've done tests to see if he has particularly brittle bones for a fixable reason? / one of those syndromes that sometimes go along with great height that isn't going to go away.

> Back in 2007, along with oodles of other Celtics fans, I thought the Good Guys had been very unlucky not to get the chance to draft Oden.
> 
> Tonight, as we seem to be having another outstanding season despite our share of injuries, I think maybe we were luckier than we knew.

Yeah, don't always agree but I certainly agree here.? Wasn't in favor of the idea of relying on the draft and rookies when so many can't miss do, but Oden is the one I would have picked if I'd been picking because of the defensive needs.

As the Stones said:
You can't always get what you want
And if you try sometime you find
You get what you need 

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From bosox18 at charter.net  Sun Dec  6 14:19:19 2009
From: bosox18 at charter.net (Steve Ouellette)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 09:19:19 -0500
Subject: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
In-Reply-To: <200912061152.nB6Bqdro025417@apollo.afrc.af.mil>
References: <20091206052325.02FA9E1C089@ignite.igtc.com><0KU70047SU36BI41@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
	<200912061152.nB6Bqdro025417@apollo.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <61A77B61A7F642DDAF7412B6DA6FCF18@StevePC>

And he was barely touched on the play where he broke his kneecap.

Steve O

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
Of Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 6:53 AM
To: celtics at igtc.com
Subject: RE: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around. :)

Was it Bill Simmons that said Oden was actually 34 years old? I think he
needs to reverse those numbers and add about 30. What's next for this kid -
fall and break a hip?




From gk_tyler at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 14:56:28 2009
From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 06:56:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hudson!
In-Reply-To: <563996.16392.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <563996.16392.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <656198.88200.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

agreed, 100%




________________________________
From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Sun, December 6, 2009 4:45:58 AM
Subject: Hudson!

LESTER HUDSON!
start playing him now and he will grow up enough by playoffs to help us.  Or, Tyronne Lue if you must have a 10-year vet for a 10 minutes a game.

Rondo is young enough to play the whole game if Hudson screws up.  To me, the most important thing to keep going when Rondo sits is tempo, which Hudson can provide, along with a good handle, decent passing, and great shooting.  He gets his hands on the ball on D and can learn rotations etc w/more playing time.  C'mon, Doc!

Ellie

--- On Sat, 12/5/09, Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com>
Subject: Said it once
To: celtics at igtc.com
Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 5:25 PM

>
> Besides, what are we talking about- 8-10 minutes?  I'd even go with the
> present roster before Lue.  But, we are rolling the dice without an
> insurance policy.  I see Lue in the same role as Sam I am.


Rondo averages 33 mins a game.  I don't know how many minutes a potential
backup PG would get, but they'd be important minutes, nonetheless.  As we
have seen, the second unit often seems in disarray offensively and House is
not exactly stellar defensively.  I'd look for improved backup PG play, not
just an insurance policy.
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 16:00:44 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:00:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
In-Reply-To: <61A77B61A7F642DDAF7412B6DA6FCF18@StevePC>
Message-ID: <784212.94068.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yeah, Oden's had some very sad injuries, and this latest one is a killer.  Who knew we'd win by losing the 2007 lottery?  

Ryan

--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Steve Ouellette <bosox18 at charter.net> wrote:

> From: Steve Ouellette <bosox18 at charter.net>
> Subject: RE: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
> To: "'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 8:19 AM
> And he was barely touched on the play
> where he broke his kneecap.
> 
> Steve O
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 6:53 AM
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: RE: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still
> around. :)
> 
> Was it Bill Simmons that said Oden was actually 34 years
> old? I think he
> needs to reverse those numbers and add about 30. What's
> next for this kid -
> fall and break a hip?
> 
> 
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  6 16:03:39 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 08:03:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Hudson!
In-Reply-To: <563996.16392.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <205726.6366.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

AGREED.

What will actually happen, I figure, is that Les and JR will hit the D-League in the next couple weeks with TA and Baby finally come back.  I expect Lester to knock off the rust and get his game back in a groove, and then come January he'll be back and be given a few games to see what he's learned.  We all know what happens to rookies and Doc Rivers--even the good ones sit through November and December.

Eddie House and his impact on the 2nd unit continue to annoy me to no end.  

Ryan

--- On Sun, 12/6/09, Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Hudson!
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 6, 2009, 6:45 AM
> LESTER HUDSON!
> start playing him now and he will grow up enough by
> playoffs to help us.? Or, Tyronne Lue if you must have a
> 10-year vet for a 10 minutes a game.
> 
> Rondo is young enough to play the whole game if Hudson
> screws up.? To me, the most important thing to keep going
> when Rondo sits is tempo, which Hudson can provide, along
> with a good handle, decent passing, and great shooting.? He
> gets his hands on the ball on D and can learn rotations etc
> w/more playing time.? C'mon, Doc!
> 
> Ellie
> 
> --- On Sat, 12/5/09, Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> From: Mencius <Mencius01 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Said it once
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Saturday, December 5, 2009, 5:25 PM
> 
> >
> > Besides, what are we talking about- 8-10 minutes??
> I'd even go with the
> > present roster before Lue.? But, we are rolling the
> dice without an
> > insurance policy.? I see Lue in the same role as Sam
> I am.
> 
> 
> Rondo averages 33 mins a game.? I don't know how many
> minutes a potential
> backup PG would get, but they'd be important minutes,
> nonetheless.? As we
> have seen, the second unit often seems in disarray
> offensively and House is
> not exactly stellar defensively.? I'd look for improved
> backup PG play, not
> just an insurance policy.
> _______________________________________________
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> 
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From hartleyo at bellsouth.net  Sun Dec  6 16:19:40 2009
From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net (hartleyo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:19:40 -0500
Subject: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
References: <20091206052325.02FA9E1C089@ignite.igtc.com><0KU70047SU36BI41@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
	<200912061152.nB6Bqdro025417@apollo.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <06F96C570AA54D0789B88D0F88798085@D2F52Z11>

I remember like it happened yesterday that the Colin Cowherd on ESPN radio 
saying that Oden had old man legs and was a breakdown ready to happen and 
that he should never have been a high first round draft choice selection let 
alone the #1 pick. He said that the Blazers either should draft Durant or 
trade it and if they didn't they would regret it. Truer word was never 
spoken.

Hart
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil>
To: <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 6:52 AM
Subject: RE: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around. :)


> Was it Bill Simmons that said Oden was actually 34 years old? I think he 
> needs to reverse those numbers and add about 30. What's next for this 
> kid - fall and break a hip?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf 
> Of Kim Malo
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 12:33 AM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around. :)
>
> At 12:22 AM 12/6/2009, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle wrote:
>
>>December 05 2009
>>The Celtics were luckier than they knew three years ago.
>>
>><snip>But Greg's rookie season was a disaster.  Microfracture
>>surgery on his right knee sidelined him the whole season.  His next
>>season was slightly better, as he only missed 20 games with two
>>different injuries, one to his foot, and the other a bone chip in
>>his left knee.
>>
>>This year, his third season is now likely ended after he fractured
>>his left patella during a game against the Houston Rockets.
>
> Seriously, I just heard about that. Man, this is like the second
> coming of Sam Bowie with Durant playing MJ. Gotta assume they've done
> tests to see if he has particularly brittle bones for a fixable
> reason  / one of those syndromes that sometimes go along with great
> height that isn't going to go away.
>
>>Back in 2007, along with oodles of other Celtics fans, I thought the
>>Good Guys had been very unlucky not to get the chance to draft Oden.
>>
>>Tonight, as we seem to be having another outstanding season despite
>>our share of injuries, I think maybe we were luckier than we knew.
>
> Yeah, don't always agree but I certainly agree here.  Wasn't in favor
> of the idea of relying on the draft and rookies when so many can't
> miss do, but Oden is the one I would have picked if I'd been picking
> because of the defensive needs.
>
> As the Stones said:
> You can't always get what you want
> And if you try sometime you find
> You get what you need
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sun Dec  6 16:28:21 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:28:21 -0500
Subject: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
In-Reply-To: <0KU70047SU36BI41@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <20091206112821.KP5C9.71934.imail@eastrmwml35>

I'd have and still would rather have Durant.  Not a defensive player, but is a franchise player and extremely long for his position.
---- Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote: 
> At 12:22 AM 12/6/2009, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle wrote:
> 
> >December 05 2009
> >The Celtics were luckier than they knew three years ago.
> >
> ><snip>But Greg's rookie season was a disaster.  Microfracture 
> >surgery on his right knee sidelined him the whole season.  His next 
> >season was slightly better, as he only missed 20 games with two 
> >different injuries, one to his foot, and the other a bone chip in 
> >his left knee.
> >
> >This year, his third season is now likely ended after he fractured 
> >his left patella during a game against the Houston Rockets.
> 
> Seriously, I just heard about that. Man, this is like the second 
> coming of Sam Bowie with Durant playing MJ. Gotta assume they've done 
> tests to see if he has particularly brittle bones for a fixable 
> reason  / one of those syndromes that sometimes go along with great 
> height that isn't going to go away.
> 
> >Back in 2007, along with oodles of other Celtics fans, I thought the 
> >Good Guys had been very unlucky not to get the chance to draft Oden.
> >
> >Tonight, as we seem to be having another outstanding season despite 
> >our share of injuries, I think maybe we were luckier than we knew.
> 
> Yeah, don't always agree but I certainly agree here.  Wasn't in favor 
> of the idea of relying on the draft and rookies when so many can't 
> miss do, but Oden is the one I would have picked if I'd been picking 
> because of the defensive needs.
> 
> As the Stones said:
> You can't always get what you want
> And if you try sometime you find
> You get what you need 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sun Dec  6 16:32:39 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:32:39 -0500
Subject: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
In-Reply-To: <200912061152.nB6Bqdro025417@apollo.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <20091206113239.IEPMM.71996.imail@eastrmwml35>

Sam Bowie or Bill Walton.  Perhaps Steve Stepanovich too.  I believe he was a top 3 pick. Either way, Oden (and Yao Ming) may be the greatest players that never happened.
---- Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: 
> Was it Bill Simmons that said Oden was actually 34 years old? I think he needs to reverse those numbers and add about 30. What's next for this kid - fall and break a hip?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Kim Malo
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 12:33 AM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around. :)
> 
> At 12:22 AM 12/6/2009, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle wrote:
> 
> >December 05 2009
> >The Celtics were luckier than they knew three years ago.
> >
> ><snip>But Greg's rookie season was a disaster.  Microfracture 
> >surgery on his right knee sidelined him the whole season.  His next 
> >season was slightly better, as he only missed 20 games with two 
> >different injuries, one to his foot, and the other a bone chip in 
> >his left knee.
> >
> >This year, his third season is now likely ended after he fractured 
> >his left patella during a game against the Houston Rockets.
> 
> Seriously, I just heard about that. Man, this is like the second 
> coming of Sam Bowie with Durant playing MJ. Gotta assume they've done 
> tests to see if he has particularly brittle bones for a fixable 
> reason  / one of those syndromes that sometimes go along with great 
> height that isn't going to go away.
> 
> >Back in 2007, along with oodles of other Celtics fans, I thought the 
> >Good Guys had been very unlucky not to get the chance to draft Oden.
> >
> >Tonight, as we seem to be having another outstanding season despite 
> >our share of injuries, I think maybe we were luckier than we knew.
> 
> Yeah, don't always agree but I certainly agree here.  Wasn't in favor 
> of the idea of relying on the draft and rookies when so many can't 
> miss do, but Oden is the one I would have picked if I'd been picking 
> because of the defensive needs.
> 
> As the Stones said:
> You can't always get what you want
> And if you try sometime you find
> You get what you need 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sun Dec  6 16:42:49 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2009 11:42:49 -0500
Subject: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around.  :)
In-Reply-To: <61A77B61A7F642DDAF7412B6DA6FCF18@StevePC>
Message-ID: <20091206114249.S8QYE.72100.imail@eastrmwml35>

I'lsl keep saying it over and over- Durant should have been # 1.  Oden is a bust becasue he is too fragile.  for a man with a body chiseled like he is, Oden is very brittle.  He probably should have tried volleyball instead (like Wilt).
---- Steve Ouellette <bosox18 at charter.net> wrote: 
> And he was barely touched on the play where he broke his kneecap.
> 
> Steve O
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
> Of Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil
> Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 6:53 AM
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: RE: CBW comment on Greg Oden--yes, I'm still around. :)
> 
> Was it Bill Simmons that said Oden was actually 34 years old? I think he
> needs to reverse those numbers and add about 30. What's next for this kid -
> fall and break a hip?
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics


From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  8 12:22:26 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 04:22:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: May on Ray
Message-ID: <450000.53114.qm@web63101.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Peter May weighs in on what to do w/Ray Allen:http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/index.php
of course, since he also wrote a little piece about Steve Nash defying age, he may really be writing about himself and Bob Ryan...
I have never heard about Ray taking Rondo under his wing. ?He has said (in so many words) that he would come off the bench if that was what was needed to stay here. ?Defensively, it would be nice to eventually split up Pierce and Allen against the rest of the NBAs 1st unit. ?I think, combined w/an athletic wing, Ray would be great on a 2nd unit, plus being there at the end of close games due to his marksmanship, driving ability, and FT shooting. ?He has played a lot w/2nd unit this year, providing a nice touch of veteran talent.
Ellie


      

From jeffclark at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 12:52:50 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 07:52:50 -0500
Subject: May on Ray
In-Reply-To: <450000.53114.qm@web63101.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <450000.53114.qm@web63101.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670912080452x574ed961t4708db0cb3363e2c@mail.gmail.com>

I remember comments about Ray taking Rondo under his wing.  I think that
Rondo is a little stubborn with everyone, but in an interview he was asked
who he would seek for advice and he didn't hesitate to mention Ray.

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:22 AM, Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Peter May weighs in on what to do w/Ray Allen:
> http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/index.php
> of course, since he also wrote a little piece about Steve Nash defying age,
> he may really be writing about himself and Bob Ryan...
> I have never heard about Ray taking Rondo under his wing.  He has said (in
> so many words) that he would come off the bench if that was what was needed
> to stay here.  Defensively, it would be nice to eventually split up Pierce
> and Allen against the rest of the NBAs 1st unit.  I think, combined w/an
> athletic wing, Ray would be great on a 2nd unit, plus being there at the end
> of close games due to his marksmanship, driving ability, and FT shooting.
>  He has played a lot w/2nd unit this year, providing a nice touch of veteran
> talent.
> Ellie
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Wed Dec  9 02:38:24 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:38:24 -0500
Subject: May on Ray
In-Reply-To: <84e131670912080452x574ed961t4708db0cb3363e2c@mail.gmail.co m>
References: <450000.53114.qm@web63101.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
	<84e131670912080452x574ed961t4708db0cb3363e2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0KUD00HPI60696F1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

At 07:52 AM 12/8/2009, jeffclark at gmail.com wrote:
>I remember comments about Ray taking Rondo under his wing.  I think that
>Rondo is a little stubborn with everyone, but in an interview he was asked
>who he would seek for advice and he didn't hesitate to mention Ray.

As I recall it was in a similar context as the article - helping him 
particularly in developing consistency, and professional work habits.
Kim 



From tsb33 at windstream.net  Wed Dec  9 05:45:25 2009
From: tsb33 at windstream.net (TroySusieBrady)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 00:45:25 -0500
Subject: Tony in mid-season form!
Message-ID: <013601ca7892$ce55faa0$6401a8c0@troyscomputer>

Good to see that the time off hasn't hurt Tony's game:  2 TOs, 2 stupid
fouls all in 5 minutes!!  Welcome back TA, we missed you,  NOT!!   Maybe
Danny can trade him and House for something, anything!!  Troy

From Eric at ericalbert.net  Wed Dec  9 13:59:50 2009
From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:59:50 -0500
Subject: Fwd: Tony in mid-season form!
Message-ID: <20091209140011.9A638E1C0BB@ignite.igtc.com>


>"TroySusieBrady" <tsb33 at windstream.net> wrote:
>
>Good to see that the time off hasn't hurt Tony's game:  2 TOs, 2 stupid
>fouls all in 5 minutes!!

Yeah, I had the same thought. But also at least three nifty passes to give teammates wide-open shots. I don't remember Tony seeing the floor that well in the past.

-- Eric


From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  9 14:38:58 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:38:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Fwd: Tony in mid-season form!
In-Reply-To: <20091209140011.9A638E1C0BB@ignite.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <58136.22824.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

What's more predictable, that TA will show rust after not playing competitive basketball for 7 months, or that the Interneters would take another opportunity to bury the guy, warranted or not?  Just asking.

TA's creativeness on the 2nd unit is sorely needed with Daniels out with the bum thumb.  Tony's not your ideal playmaker, but he does a hell of a lot better than House, who still hasn't figured out how to play point and shoot well in the same game.  Ideally, Daniels and TA would play together, and we could use Marquis to handle the ball and use TA as a finisher and not a creator.

As Eric said, TA made at least 3 passes to open players for shots...House missed, Ray made it, and Scal fumbled his out of bounds.  One TO was off a miscommunication with Scal; and the other was a borderline charge/foul call that could have gone either way.  Not bad for coming off an injury and being rusty.  He'll be better in time.

Ryan

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net> wrote:

> From: Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net>
> Subject: Fwd: Tony in mid-season form!
> To: Celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 7:59 AM
> 
> >"TroySusieBrady" <tsb33 at windstream.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >Good to see that the time off hasn't hurt Tony's
> game:? 2 TOs, 2 stupid
> >fouls all in 5 minutes!!
> 
> Yeah, I had the same thought. But also at least three nifty
> passes to give teammates wide-open shots. I don't remember
> Tony seeing the floor that well in the past.
> 
> -- Eric
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  9 14:45:11 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:45:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: May on Ray
In-Reply-To: <0KUD00HPI60696F1@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <397159.3949.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

And I remember Doc saying in 2008 that Rondo only listened to two people--Sam Cassell and Ray Allen.

Ray Allen and Rondo have always been a package deal for me.  Once we extended Rondo, I think the natural progression is to look to extend Ray.  Not at his current salary, of course, and hopefully something reasonable and limited to 2-3 years, but I'd like to see Ray continue on this team.  It's not like he's not going to do everything he can to stay healthy and productive for as long as he plays.  And you cannot overestimate the example his mere presence and professionalism sets for our younger players...

Ryan

--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: May on Ray
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:38 PM
> At 07:52 AM 12/8/2009, jeffclark at gmail.com
> wrote:
> >I remember comments about Ray taking Rondo under his
> wing.? I think that
> >Rondo is a little stubborn with everyone, but in an
> interview he was asked
> >who he would seek for advice and he didn't hesitate to
> mention Ray.
> 
> As I recall it was in a similar context as the article -
> helping him 
> particularly in developing consistency, and professional
> work habits.
> Kim 
> 
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  9 14:53:54 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:53:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Great Perk Article
Message-ID: <16908.35819.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

The Perk-doubters have been noticeably quiet lately.  Wonder what they think now?

Well, here's a good article explaining exactly why he's All-Star material and one of the best centers in the game.  I hope he stays in Green his entire career.  

from http://www.hoopsworld.com/Story.asp?story_id=14565


Kendrick Perkins: Learning From the Best

By: Susan Bible   

Timing is everything.  6'10" center Kendrick Perkins had been enjoying a nice, if unremarkable, career as a member of Boston Celtics since he was drafted straight from high school in the 2003-04 season.  Then, just two years ago, the stars appeared to align just right for him to showcase his improving skills.  And these improvements are now resulting in his name being placed among the top centers in the league.

A quick glance at Perkins' stats reveals a steady increase in production beginning in the 2007-08 season.  He has jumped from an average of 4.5 points per game, 5.2 rebounds, 1.3 blocks with a PER of 9.5 in 2006-07 (with comparable numbers the previous three years) to 11.6 ppg, 7.6 rebounds, 2.0 blocks with a PER of 17.1 this season. 

It is much more than a mere coincidence that this noticeable improvement began when veteran Kevin Garnett joined the Celtics.  And this year another talented veteran by the name of Rasheed Wallace became his teammate.  Perkins gives both players credit for his development.

"I just get a lot of knowledge from them (Garnett and Wallace) in different ways," Perkins tells HOOPSWORLD.  "You just watch them.  You watch them work out every day in practice, kinda steal their post moves a little bit, (watch) how they play defense, and you just try to put it into your game." 

He nails it down further in simple terms.

"I just kinda watch and pick their brain?.just try to feed off of them," Perkins says.

The veterans have also showed Perkins a trick or two.  "(I) learn how to get better post position down on the low block," Perkins reveals.  "Sometimes defensive moves and schemes are really just fouls, but the refs don't see it.  (They teach me) stuff like that."

Garnett was candid in speaking about the growth of Perkins, and appears to have embraced his teaching role.   

"Obviously, Perk and I?(our) past hasn't been the best," Garnett explains.  "And we've been competitive, obviously, when we were on different teams, but the one thing I wanted to be when I got here was not just a mentor but someone who could lead him in the right direction." 

"I see a lot of me in him," continues Garnett.  "He plays with a lot of energy, a lot of passion.  I say there's a certain way to play with that.  I told him if you want to be upset for not getting the ball, then you have to actually work on your game, and I think he's actually done that, not just during the season but during the offseason.  The offseason is when you really get better at it, so it's good to see that he can be productive with us." 

Defensive-minded Perkins, who leads his team in blocks and rebounds, has shown concerted effort and improvement on the offensive end as well this year.  One outstanding statistic, which may come as a big surprise, is that he is currently ranked No. 2 in the league for highest field-goal shooting percentage (.640%).  Celtics coach Doc Rivers appreciates the attention he has given to becoming an all-around player.   

"I just think it takes guys time to understand who they are as player and understand the impact they can have in the league, and I think Perkins did that, it just took him time," Rivers shares.  "He understands where to catch the ball now offensively.  I think in the last couple years, he's gotten his role defensively, and now he added that offensive part to the game." 

Tied for second place in technical fouls this season, Rivers couldn't resist a reference to that fact.

"Now if we can get him to leave the refs alone, it'd be a home run," he says with a smile.  "He's getting there.  I'll tell you, he's a great kid to coach, I can tell you that."

Career Celtic Paul Pierce has played with Perkins from the day he was drafted and notes that his 'maturation process" has impressed him the most.

"You see young guys who come out of high school, and they get the big contract and they get satisfied," Pierce says.  "I've seen Perkins when he was a rookie, and he didn't get off the bench, and he just continued to work over the summer.  You see him grow every single year.  That's a sign of a good player, those guys that work on it every year.  He's in his seventh year now, and he's gotten better every year, so I commend him on that.  You see a lot of players that after a few years, they kinda level off."

"It's good to see him gain some respect from everyone within the locker room," adds Garnett.  "Because respect is not just given, you earn that, and he's a promising All-Star, so I look forward to his growth."

One thing Perkins already has in his possession is a championship ring from the 2007-08 season.    

"What is a championship team about?  A winning team about?," asks Perkins.  "It's a team with no agendas.  A team that's all in, a team that doesn't go out and play for stats?(instead) just goes out and plays for wins.  I think that's the most important thing that I've learned."

At only twenty-five years old, just imagine how far Perkins can go in this league with the level of support and leadership he has surrounding him and the respect he is rapidly earning for his increasing level of play.


      


From jeffclark at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 15:03:36 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 10:03:36 -0500
Subject: Marquis has surgery - no timetable
Message-ID: <84e131670912090703l1e16880es13f4703b2408dac@mail.gmail.com>

not good...

*
*

*BOSTON**, MA** ?* The Boston Celtics announced today that guard Marquis
Daniels underwent successful surgery this morning at New England Baptist
Hospital to repair a torn ligament in his left thumb.  The procedure was
performed by Celtics Team Physician, Dr. Brian McKeon and Dr. Drew Terrono.
No time table has been set for his return.



Daniels has appeared in 19 games for the Celtics averaging 5.7 points, 2.0
rebounds and 2.1 assists per game. The former Auburn Tiger posted a
season-high 10 points against Utah on Novemb

-- 
Jeff
CelticsBlog.com
doughnutholes.wordpress.com

From Eric at ericalbert.net  Wed Dec  9 15:04:08 2009
From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:04:08 -0500
Subject: Great Perk Article
Message-ID: <20091209150419.AC161E1C0BE@ignite.igtc.com>


>Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>The Perk-doubters have been noticeably quiet lately.  Wonder what they think now?

Hm, must be my agree-with-Ryan day. This morning I was cheerfully noticing that Perkins is now #1 in field-goal percentage.

Also, as the article mentions (and Kim Malo has noted for years), what makes Perkins really special is how hard he works off-season. Every year you can see clear improvements in his game.

I remember Perk as a blobby foul-machine who couldn't make a layup to save his life. Now he's an intimidating defender with a hyper-efficient offensive game. Nice progress.

-- Eric


From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  9 15:24:00 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 07:24:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Marquis has surgery - no timetable
In-Reply-To: <84e131670912090703l1e16880es13f4703b2408dac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <955800.5257.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yeah, I wish they would have had the MRI weeks ago.  It's been bothering him, what, like 3 or 4 weeks already?  

TA, if healthy, can pick up the slack for the 6-8 weeks it usually takes to recover from torn thumb ligaments.  Guys like Walker, Hudson and Scal can also fill in when necessary.  As always, in imperative on Doc Rivers to actually use his bench this time, and not use Marquis' injury (like TA's last season) as an excuse to overplay Ray and Paul.  Has Doc learned?  We'll see.

Ryan

--- On Wed, 12/9/09, jeffclark at gmail.com <jeffclark at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: jeffclark at gmail.com <jeffclark at gmail.com>
> Subject: Marquis has surgery - no timetable
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Wednesday, December 9, 2009, 9:03 AM
> not good...
> 
> *
> *
> 
> *BOSTON**, MA** ?* The Boston Celtics announced today
> that guard Marquis
> Daniels underwent successful surgery this morning at New
> England Baptist
> Hospital to repair a torn ligament in his left thumb.?
> The procedure was
> performed by Celtics Team Physician, Dr. Brian McKeon and
> Dr. Drew Terrono.
> No time table has been set for his return.
> 
> 
> 
> Daniels has appeared in 19 games for the Celtics averaging
> 5.7 points, 2.0
> rebounds and 2.1 assists per game. The former Auburn Tiger
> posted a
> season-high 10 points against Utah on Novemb
> 
> -- 
> Jeff
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From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 10 12:05:19 2009
From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:05:19 -0800 (PST)
Subject: May on Ray
Message-ID: <613674.78487.qm@web65514.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Peter May still earns a paycheck for his drivel?

On Tue Dec 8th, 2009 7:22 AM EST Ellie Cutler wrote:

>Peter May weighs in on what to do w/Ray Allen:http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/may/index.php
>of course, since he also wrote a little piece about Steve Nash defying age, he may really be writing about himself and Bob Ryan...
>I have never heard about Ray taking Rondo under his wing. ?He has said (in so many words) that he would come off the bench if that was what was needed to stay here. ?Defensively, it would be nice to eventually split up Pierce and Allen against the rest of the NBAs 1st unit. ?I think, combined w/an athletic wing, Ray would be great on a 2nd unit, plus being there at the end of close games due to his marksmanship, driving ability, and FT shooting. ?He has played a lot w/2nd unit this year, providing a nice touch of veteran talent.
>Ellie
>
>
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From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 10 12:13:58 2009
From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:13:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: May on Ray
Message-ID: <172719.97901.qm@web65512.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Like I noted a couple of weeks ago.  Every winning team needs a glue guy.  That guy is Ray Allen.  He should be resigned and retire as a Celtic after #18 and #19. He'll make a good coach in five years too.

On Wed Dec 9th, 2009 9:45 AM EST Ryan W wrote:

>And I remember Doc saying in 2008 that Rondo only listened to two people--Sam Cassell and Ray Allen.
>
>Ray Allen and Rondo have always been a package deal for me.  Once we extended Rondo, I think the natural progression is to look to extend Ray.  Not at his current salary, of course, and hopefully something reasonable and limited to 2-3 years, but I'd like to see Ray continue on this team.  It's not like he's not going to do everything he can to stay healthy and productive for as long as he plays.  And you cannot overestimate the example his mere presence and professionalism sets for our younger players...
>
>Ryan
>
>--- On Tue, 12/8/09, Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> From: Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: May on Ray
>> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, December 8, 2009, 8:38 PM
>> At 07:52 AM 12/8/2009, jeffclark at gmail.com
>> wrote:
>> >I remember comments about Ray taking Rondo under his
>> wing.? I think that
>> >Rondo is a little stubborn with everyone, but in an
>> interview he was asked
>> >who he would seek for advice and he didn't hesitate to
>> mention Ray.
>> 
>> As I recall it was in a similar context as the article -
>> helping him 
>> particularly in developing consistency, and professional
>> work habits.
>> Kim 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
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>
>
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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 12 12:38:56 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 04:38:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: kudos to Allens
Message-ID: <379699.29648.qm@web63106.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

To Ray for hitting the 20K mark,and Tony for a great game, and some really nice rebounding!
Bulpett's article today highlights Lester Hudson - nice angle and I hope Doc is watching... ; )
Ellie


      

From Eric at ericalbert.net  Sun Dec 13 04:52:50 2009
From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 23:52:50 -0500
Subject: 20 assists
Message-ID: <20091213045302.B35BAE1C07A@ignite.igtc.com>

I'm on record as saying that Rondo will dish out 20 assists in a game this season. Tonight should have been that game.

I couldn't believe how many completely open shots Rondo gave his shooters, and I couldn't believe how they kept missing them. The capper was that gorgeous full-court pass to Pierce, who then missed the layup. If he'd made it, the play would have been on all the sports highlight shows.

Oh, well . . . 59 more games for Rondo. Meanwhile, I'll settle for the Celtics having the best record in the NBA.

-- Eric


From jaims at pldtdsl.net  Sun Dec 13 07:30:43 2009
From: jaims at pldtdsl.net (Jaims)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 15:30:43 +0800
Subject: 20 assists
In-Reply-To: <20091213045302.B35BAE1C07A@ignite.igtc.com>
References: <20091213045302.B35BAE1C07A@ignite.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <000001ca7bc6$2e0570d0$8a105270$@net>

me, i'd settle for the championship only... ;)


-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
Of Eric Albert
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 12:53 PM
To: Celtics at igtc.com
Subject: 20 assists

I'm on record as saying that Rondo will dish out 20 assists in a game this
season. Tonight should have been that game.

I couldn't believe how many completely open shots Rondo gave his shooters,
and I couldn't believe how they kept missing them. The capper was that
gorgeous full-court pass to Pierce, who then missed the layup. If he'd made
it, the play would have been on all the sports highlight shows.

Oh, well . . . 59 more games for Rondo. Meanwhile, I'll settle for the
Celtics having the best record in the NBA.

-- Eric

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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 13 17:15:24 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:15:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: 20 assists
In-Reply-To: <20091213045302.B35BAE1C07A@ignite.igtc.com>
Message-ID: <717700.55662.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Eric, I'll back you up on that prediction.  Rondo definitely generates enough open looks to get 20--it'll be a question of whether his teammates can convert.  I swear House missed like 5 open shots off passes from Rondo and add in the Paul layup miss and that's 20 right there.

Quietly, Rondo has made the LEAP.  He's mastered the art of knowing when to pass and shoot.  Now stepping up, taking, and making jumpers with confidence and ease.  Displaying mad meta-awareness of TIME and situation, slowing the team down after a couple quick jumpers, or revving the team up in transition when the opportunity arises.  Rondo's been a LEADER on this team and every single one of his teammates is following him.  

Ryan

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net> wrote:

> From: Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net>
> Subject: 20 assists
> To: Celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Saturday, December 12, 2009, 10:52 PM
> I'm on record as saying that Rondo
> will dish out 20 assists in a game this season. Tonight
> should have been that game.
> 
> I couldn't believe how many completely open shots Rondo
> gave his shooters, and I couldn't believe how they kept
> missing them. The capper was that gorgeous full-court pass
> to Pierce, who then missed the layup. If he'd made it, the
> play would have been on all the sports highlight shows.
> 
> Oh, well . . . 59 more games for Rondo. Meanwhile, I'll
> settle for the Celtics having the best record in the NBA.
> 
> -- Eric
> 
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From eggcentric at aol.com  Sun Dec 13 18:24:40 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:24:40 -0500
Subject: FA's
Message-ID: <0D900F14.98CF.45EC.B5C6.D2B6A1F96C25@aol.com>

Several months ago Ainge mentioned that there was one possible scenario that
would allow the over-the-cap Celts to sign a top-notch FA come next season.
He was referring to Pierce not executing his $21.5 mill player option for 2010-11.

Pierce will turn 33 yrs. old come October so few teams would offer him a future
five-year contract. ? Except for us.

Our current payroll for next season is projected to be $63 mill for six signed players
including Pierce. ?But?should Pierce conveniently (wink, wink) turn down his player 
option, he could regain the?lost $14 mill and more by simply re-signing for a 5-yr. 
contract with us starting at about $8 mill.
That would bring us to just under the $50-53 mill cap projected for next season 
and simply?be a?case of pay me later than pay me now for Pierce who will be
sporting a long?white beard upon retirement but still smiling over his reduced
income taxes.

Sign a talented FA, keep Pierce, ?re-sign Ray Allen with our MLE, extend 
Daniels with our small exception,?add a new crop of minimum salary guys, ?
and EVERYONE WINS ?...?except for Wyc/Pag's shrinking wallets which will be 
squealing?in pain.?

Egg


From pmaymin at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 19:01:03 2009
From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Phil Maymin)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:01:03 -0500
Subject: FA's
In-Reply-To: <0D900F14.98CF.45EC.B5C6.D2B6A1F96C25@aol.com>
References: <0D900F14.98CF.45EC.B5C6.D2B6A1F96C25@aol.com>
Message-ID: <8c863cee0912131101q61f725d5n7560cf38c645387@mail.gmail.com>

What's the 36-year-old rule? Seems applicable here.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 1:24 PM, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> Several months ago Ainge mentioned that there was one possible scenario that
> would allow the over-the-cap Celts to sign a top-notch FA come next season.
> He was referring to Pierce not executing his $21.5 mill player option for 2010-11.
>
> Pierce will turn 33 yrs. old come October so few teams would offer him a future
> five-year contract. ? Except for us.
>
> Our current payroll for next season is projected to be $63 mill for six signed players
> including Pierce. ?But?should Pierce conveniently (wink, wink) turn down his player
> option, he could regain the?lost $14 mill and more by simply re-signing for a 5-yr.
> contract with us starting at about $8 mill.
> That would bring us to just under the $50-53 mill cap projected for next season
> and simply?be a?case of pay me later than pay me now for Pierce who will be
> sporting a long?white beard upon retirement but still smiling over his reduced
> income taxes.
>
> Sign a talented FA, keep Pierce, ?re-sign Ray Allen with our MLE, extend
> Daniels with our small exception,?add a new crop of minimum salary guys,
> and EVERYONE WINS ?...?except for Wyc/Pag's shrinking wallets which will be
> squealing?in pain.
>
> Egg
>
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From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Sun Dec 13 19:29:41 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 14:29:41 -0500
Subject: FA's
In-Reply-To: <0D900F14.98CF.45EC.B5C6.D2B6A1F96C25@aol.com>
References: <0D900F14.98CF.45EC.B5C6.D2B6A1F96C25@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KUL0067OVHKUAWA@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net>

Actually Wyc was the one who brought it up, on a WEEI interview, 
trying to impress people, not Danny (Danny just had to respond 
afterwards when asked about it, mostly pooh poohing it as possible 
but not highly probable as I recall). So apparently he didn't mind 
the squeals. Pags has all that spare cash he didn't spend on the next 
round of elections because he lost the primary.
Kim

At 01:24 PM 12/13/2009, eggcentric wrote:
>Several months ago Ainge mentioned that there was one possible scenario that
>would allow the over-the-cap Celts to sign a top-notch FA come next season.
>He was referring to Pierce not executing his $21.5 mill player 
>option for 2010-11.
>
>Pierce will turn 33 yrs. old come October so few teams would offer 
>him a future
>five-year contract.   Except for us.
>
>Our current payroll for next season is projected to be $63 mill for 
>six signed players
>including Pierce.  But should Pierce conveniently (wink, wink) turn 
>down his player
>option, he could regain the lost $14 mill and more by simply 
>re-signing for a 5-yr.
>contract with us starting at about $8 mill.
>That would bring us to just under the $50-53 mill cap projected for 
>next season
>and simply be a case of pay me later than pay me now for Pierce who will be
>sporting a long white beard upon retirement but still smiling over his reduced
>income taxes.
>
>Sign a talented FA, keep Pierce,  re-sign Ray Allen with our MLE, extend
>Daniels with our small exception, add a new crop of minimum salary guys,
>and EVERYONE WINS  ... except for Wyc/Pag's shrinking wallets which will be
>squealing in pain.
>
>Egg
>
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 13 21:49:36 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:49:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: FA's
In-Reply-To: <0D900F14.98CF.45EC.B5C6.D2B6A1F96C25@aol.com>
Message-ID: <912742.10314.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

>From my limited knowledge of the CBA, I don't think there's any way we can create enough cap space to sign a talented FA, and resign both Paul and Ray, unless one of them is willing to sign for the minimum (supremely unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility).  

If we renounce all of our free agents, renounce Pierce after he 'opts out', we'll be looking at roughly 42.5 million dollars in guaranteed salary in 2010.  Assuming the salary cap is at 53 million, that would give us 10.5 million dollars in 2010 (with 8% increases each subsequent season) to put towards a near max contract for say someone like Joe Johnson.  

So, under that scenario, we could possibly clear enough money to possibly entice J. Johnson to come to Boston, remembering of course that Atlanta and any team with more cap space could offer Joe a max deal.  We *might* (if the cap's at 53 million) have enough to offer 10.5 per season to Joe, but there's no real way to clear enough salary to offer anyone a MAX contract.  

Assuming we follow the scenario above, we're severely handicapped in retaining our free agents.  In order to clear enough salary to offer a free agent 10.5 million in 2010, we had to renounce all of our free agents.  When a player becomes a free agent, they have a cap hold which counts against our salary cap until they either resign with us (at which time their new salary counts against the cap) or they sign with someone else (at which time their cap hold comes off our cap).  To remove that cap hold, they must be renounced.  Once they're renounced, we lose their Bird rights, meaning we're subject to salary cap limitations in any attempt to resign them.

So, let's assume Pierce opts out, we renounce him and every other free agent we have (including Ray Allen, Scal, TA, Giddens, Daniels, and Williams).  We then sign a free agent to a starting 2010 salary of 10.5 million.  At this point, we only have 2 ways of resigning all of the free agents we just renounced--the MLE, and the veteran's minimum (we can't use the LLE because that's only available every other season, and we used it last summer to sign Daniels).  So, under this scenario, we could resign Pierce with our full MLE, helping him recoup his money sometime in the future.  At that point, we'd have to entice Ray, Daniels, Williams, or ANYONE ELSE to resign with us for the VETERAN'S MINIMUM.

So, yes, technically there's a way to add a marque free agent, provided Pierce opts out, but unless we're certain that Ray Allen will come back for the veteran's minimum, there's no way to do it without breaking up the Big 3 (or creating a newer version of the Big 3).  

Put me down as extremely skeptical about this ever happening, mainly because it hinges on a marque free agent taking less than the max to come here (though guys like Bosh or Joe Johnson *might* be willing to do this if the only max offer they get is from their current teams--maybe).  It's much more likely that Paul doesn't opt out, Ray resigns for something reasonable (like 3 yrs for 24 million), and we split the MLE between Daniels and Williams while looking to trade for a mid first round pick and see who we can pick off the scrap heap for cheap.  

Ryan

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

> From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> Subject: FA's
> To: Celtics at IGTC.com
> Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:24 PM
> Several months ago Ainge mentioned
> that there was one possible scenario that
> would allow the over-the-cap Celts to sign a top-notch FA
> come next season.
> He was referring to Pierce not executing his $21.5 mill
> player option for 2010-11.
> 
> Pierce will turn 33 yrs. old come October so few teams
> would offer him a future
> five-year contract. ? Except for us.
> 
> Our current payroll for next season is projected to be $63
> mill for six signed players
> including Pierce. ?But?should Pierce conveniently (wink,
> wink) turn down his player 
> option, he could regain the?lost $14 mill and more by
> simply re-signing for a 5-yr. 
> contract with us starting at about $8 mill.
> That would bring us to just under the $50-53 mill cap
> projected for next season 
> and simply?be a?case of pay me later than pay me now for
> Pierce who will be
> sporting a long?white beard upon retirement but still
> smiling over his reduced
> income taxes.
> 
> Sign a talented FA, keep Pierce, ?re-sign Ray Allen with
> our MLE, extend 
> Daniels with our small exception,?add a new crop of
> minimum salary guys, ?
> and EVERYONE WINS ?...?except for Wyc/Pag's shrinking
> wallets which will be 
> squealing?in pain.?
> 
> Egg
> 
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
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From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Mon Dec 14 11:56:31 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 06:56:31 -0500
Subject: FA's
In-Reply-To: <912742.10314.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <0D900F14.98CF.45EC.B5C6.D2B6A1F96C25@aol.com>
	<912742.10314.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200912141156.nBEBuZ5Y009444@apollo.afrc.af.mil>

While Bosh will definitively want out; J. Johnson is on one of the truly up and coming young teams in the league now. He's one of the few NBA FAs that could conceivably have his cake and eat it too - be offered a max deal to play with a contender.

Not a bad gig if you can get it. 

So even though he MIGHT consider Boston if he were on a crappy team, I don't think Boston carries any additional buying power in this particular case, and in fact, may be hurt by trading him oh so long ago.



-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:50 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: FA's

>From my limited knowledge of the CBA, I don't think there's any way we can create enough cap space to sign a talented FA, and resign both Paul and Ray, unless one of them is willing to sign for the minimum (supremely unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility).  

If we renounce all of our free agents, renounce Pierce after he 'opts out', we'll be looking at roughly 42.5 million dollars in guaranteed salary in 2010.  Assuming the salary cap is at 53 million, that would give us 10.5 million dollars in 2010 (with 8% increases each subsequent season) to put towards a near max contract for say someone like Joe Johnson.  

So, under that scenario, we could possibly clear enough money to possibly entice J. Johnson to come to Boston, remembering of course that Atlanta and any team with more cap space could offer Joe a max deal.  We *might* (if the cap's at 53 million) have enough to offer 10.5 per season to Joe, but there's no real way to clear enough salary to offer anyone a MAX contract.  

Assuming we follow the scenario above, we're severely handicapped in retaining our free agents.  In order to clear enough salary to offer a free agent 10.5 million in 2010, we had to renounce all of our free agents.  When a player becomes a free agent, they have a cap hold which counts against our salary cap until they either resign with us (at which time their new salary counts against the cap) or they sign with someone else (at which time their cap hold comes off our cap).  To remove that cap hold, they must be renounced.  Once they're renounced, we lose their Bird rights, meaning we're subject to salary cap limitations in any attempt to resign them.

So, let's assume Pierce opts out, we renounce him and every other free agent we have (including Ray Allen, Scal, TA, Giddens, Daniels, and Williams).  We then sign a free agent to a starting 2010 salary of 10.5 million.  At this point, we only have 2 ways of resigning all of the free agents we just renounced--the MLE, and the veteran's minimum (we can't use the LLE because that's only available every other season, and we used it last summer to sign Daniels).  So, under this scenario, we could resign Pierce with our full MLE, helping him recoup his money sometime in the future.  At that point, we'd have to entice Ray, Daniels, Williams, or ANYONE ELSE to resign with us for the VETERAN'S MINIMUM.

So, yes, technically there's a way to add a marque free agent, provided Pierce opts out, but unless we're certain that Ray Allen will come back for the veteran's minimum, there's no way to do it without breaking up the Big 3 (or creating a newer version of the Big 3).  

Put me down as extremely skeptical about this ever happening, mainly because it hinges on a marque free agent taking less than the max to come here (though guys like Bosh or Joe Johnson *might* be willing to do this if the only max offer they get is from their current teams--maybe).  It's much more likely that Paul doesn't opt out, Ray resigns for something reasonable (like 3 yrs for 24 million), and we split the MLE between Daniels and Williams while looking to trade for a mid first round pick and see who we can pick off the scrap heap for cheap.  

Ryan

--- On Sun, 12/13/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:

> From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> Subject: FA's
> To: Celtics at IGTC.com
> Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:24 PM
> Several months ago Ainge mentioned
> that there was one possible scenario that
> would allow the over-the-cap Celts to sign a top-notch FA
> come next season.
> He was referring to Pierce not executing his $21.5 mill
> player option for 2010-11.
> 
> Pierce will turn 33 yrs. old come October so few teams
> would offer him a future
> five-year contract. ? Except for us.
> 
> Our current payroll for next season is projected to be $63
> mill for six signed players
> including Pierce. ?But?should Pierce conveniently (wink,
> wink) turn down his player 
> option, he could regain the?lost $14 mill and more by
> simply re-signing for a 5-yr. 
> contract with us starting at about $8 mill.
> That would bring us to just under the $50-53 mill cap
> projected for next season 
> and simply?be a?case of pay me later than pay me now for
> Pierce who will be
> sporting a long?white beard upon retirement but still
> smiling over his reduced
> income taxes.
> 
> Sign a talented FA, keep Pierce, ?re-sign Ray Allen with
> our MLE, extend 
> Daniels with our small exception,?add a new crop of
> minimum salary guys, ?
> and EVERYONE WINS ?...?except for Wyc/Pag's shrinking
> wallets which will be 
> squealing?in pain.?
> 
> Egg
> 
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> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> 


      

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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Mon Dec 14 17:28:30 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 12:28:30 -0500
Subject: FA's
In-Reply-To: <200912141156.nBEBuZ5Y009444@apollo.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <20091214122830.9AUPY.185156.imail@eastrmwml39>

I disagree on Johnson being hurt on being traded.  These guys know it's a business, and he was the one  quoted as saying Boston being a team he'd like to play for.
---- Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: 
> While Bosh will definitively want out; J. Johnson is on one of the truly up and coming young teams in the league now. He's one of the few NBA FAs that could conceivably have his cake and eat it too - be offered a max deal to play with a contender.
> 
> Not a bad gig if you can get it. 
> 
> So even though he MIGHT consider Boston if he were on a crappy team, I don't think Boston carries any additional buying power in this particular case, and in fact, may be hurt by trading him oh so long ago.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
> Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 4:50 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: FA's
> 
> >From my limited knowledge of the CBA, I don't think there's any way we can create enough cap space to sign a talented FA, and resign both Paul and Ray, unless one of them is willing to sign for the minimum (supremely unlikely, but not out of the realm of possibility).  
> 
> If we renounce all of our free agents, renounce Pierce after he 'opts out', we'll be looking at roughly 42.5 million dollars in guaranteed salary in 2010.  Assuming the salary cap is at 53 million, that would give us 10.5 million dollars in 2010 (with 8% increases each subsequent season) to put towards a near max contract for say someone like Joe Johnson.  
> 
> So, under that scenario, we could possibly clear enough money to possibly entice J. Johnson to come to Boston, remembering of course that Atlanta and any team with more cap space could offer Joe a max deal.  We *might* (if the cap's at 53 million) have enough to offer 10.5 per season to Joe, but there's no real way to clear enough salary to offer anyone a MAX contract.  
> 
> Assuming we follow the scenario above, we're severely handicapped in retaining our free agents.  In order to clear enough salary to offer a free agent 10.5 million in 2010, we had to renounce all of our free agents.  When a player becomes a free agent, they have a cap hold which counts against our salary cap until they either resign with us (at which time their new salary counts against the cap) or they sign with someone else (at which time their cap hold comes off our cap).  To remove that cap hold, they must be renounced.  Once they're renounced, we lose their Bird rights, meaning we're subject to salary cap limitations in any attempt to resign them.
> 
> So, let's assume Pierce opts out, we renounce him and every other free agent we have (including Ray Allen, Scal, TA, Giddens, Daniels, and Williams).  We then sign a free agent to a starting 2010 salary of 10.5 million.  At this point, we only have 2 ways of resigning all of the free agents we just renounced--the MLE, and the veteran's minimum (we can't use the LLE because that's only available every other season, and we used it last summer to sign Daniels).  So, under this scenario, we could resign Pierce with our full MLE, helping him recoup his money sometime in the future.  At that point, we'd have to entice Ray, Daniels, Williams, or ANYONE ELSE to resign with us for the VETERAN'S MINIMUM.
> 
> So, yes, technically there's a way to add a marque free agent, provided Pierce opts out, but unless we're certain that Ray Allen will come back for the veteran's minimum, there's no way to do it without breaking up the Big 3 (or creating a newer version of the Big 3).  
> 
> Put me down as extremely skeptical about this ever happening, mainly because it hinges on a marque free agent taking less than the max to come here (though guys like Bosh or Joe Johnson *might* be willing to do this if the only max offer they get is from their current teams--maybe).  It's much more likely that Paul doesn't opt out, Ray resigns for something reasonable (like 3 yrs for 24 million), and we split the MLE between Daniels and Williams while looking to trade for a mid first round pick and see who we can pick off the scrap heap for cheap.  
> 
> Ryan
> 
> --- On Sun, 12/13/09, eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com>
> > Subject: FA's
> > To: Celtics at IGTC.com
> > Date: Sunday, December 13, 2009, 12:24 PM
> > Several months ago Ainge mentioned
> > that there was one possible scenario that
> > would allow the over-the-cap Celts to sign a top-notch FA
> > come next season.
> > He was referring to Pierce not executing his $21.5 mill
> > player option for 2010-11.
> > 
> > Pierce will turn 33 yrs. old come October so few teams
> > would offer him a future
> > five-year contract. ? Except for us.
> > 
> > Our current payroll for next season is projected to be $63
> > mill for six signed players
> > including Pierce. ?But?should Pierce conveniently (wink,
> > wink) turn down his player 
> > option, he could regain the?lost $14 mill and more by
> > simply re-signing for a 5-yr. 
> > contract with us starting at about $8 mill.
> > That would bring us to just under the $50-53 mill cap
> > projected for next season 
> > and simply?be a?case of pay me later than pay me now for
> > Pierce who will be
> > sporting a long?white beard upon retirement but still
> > smiling over his reduced
> > income taxes.
> > 
> > Sign a talented FA, keep Pierce, ?re-sign Ray Allen with
> > our MLE, extend 
> > Daniels with our small exception,?add a new crop of
> > minimum salary guys, ?
> > and EVERYONE WINS ?...?except for Wyc/Pag's shrinking
> > wallets which will be 
> > squealing?in pain.?
> > 
> > Egg
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > 
> 
> 
>       
> 
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From hartleyo at bellsouth.net  Mon Dec 14 20:50:48 2009
From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net (hartleyo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 15:50:48 -0500
Subject: Rajon Rondo's play is just one of 10 reasons for the Celtics' current
	winning streak. - ESPN Boston
Message-ID: <683242CC3EB14C3E9DEB6DB6D78E55FB@D2F52Z11>

Pretty good article out of ESPN boston. Note his comments on Perk.

Hart

http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/columns/story?columnist=forsberg_chris&id=4741605

From davidp4660 at cox.net  Mon Dec 14 22:16:18 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 17:16:18 -0500
Subject: Rajon Rondo's play is just one of 10 reasons for the Celtics'
	current winning streak. - ESPN Boston
In-Reply-To: <683242CC3EB14C3E9DEB6DB6D78E55FB@D2F52Z11>
Message-ID: <20091214171618.EYO2Q.193817.imail@eastrmwml35>

Amazinag, since you usually have to use the hunt system to find a positve article on the Celtics.
---- hartleyo at bellsouth.net wrote: 
> Pretty good article out of ESPN boston. Note his comments on Perk.
> 
> Hart
> 
> http://sports.espn.go.com/boston/columns/story?columnist=forsberg_chris&id=4741605
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From bdodgers at aol.com  Tue Dec 15 04:33:52 2009
From: bdodgers at aol.com (bdodgers at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 23:33:52 EST
Subject: From ESPN's rumors
Message-ID: <1641.8c8c845.38586bb0@aol.com>

 
 
Farmar a bad fit with the Lakers?  

 
_Jordan Farmar_ 
(http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=3002) , who will be a restricted free agent next  summer, is still trying to 
figure out his role with the Lakers. One general  manager thinks Farmar would 
do better in a different offense than what the  Lakers run. 
The general manager also says Farmar could start for half the teams in the  
NBA and that he will draw a lot of interest due to the lack of top point  
guards. 
"Jordan is a very talented basketball player and  he's good enough to 
contribute and play the role that they need," the general  manager told the _Los 
Angeles Daily News_ (http://www.dailynews.com/sports/ci_13987791) . "But 
from an  individual perspective, he'd be far better off in a more conventional  
offense."He's a great pick-and-roll player, he likes to make shots and make 
 decisions. The triangle is a lot of pass, cut, move. ... What he does 
well,  there isn't a lot of room for in the triangle. But he's a good enough 
basketball  player where he can assimilate and he does enough of what they need 
that he's  valuable." 
 
 

From mafiaso316 at aol.com  Tue Dec 15 20:50:18 2009
From: mafiaso316 at aol.com (mafiaso316 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 15:50:18 EST
Subject: Media Guide
Message-ID: <7a71.3643d3ff.3859508a@aol.com>



Has anyone gotten a copy of this years media guide and if so do you know  
where I can get my hands on one?
 
Thanks.
 
Paolo

From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Tue Dec 15 21:56:57 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:56:57 -0500
Subject: Media Guide
In-Reply-To: <7a71.3643d3ff.3859508a@aol.com>
References: <7a71.3643d3ff.3859508a@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KUP002SIRNGR1M2@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

May not be ready, they ran late last year. Not up on website. Suggest 
contacting Cs via website to ask. If they are available you can 
always buy them at the Pro Shop in the Garden.
Kim

At 03:50 PM 12/15/2009, mafiaso316 at aol.com wrote:


>Has anyone gotten a copy of this years media guide and if so do you know
>where I can get my hands on one?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Paolo



From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Tue Dec 15 22:01:56 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 17:01:56 -0500
Subject: Media Guide
In-Reply-To: <0KUP002SIRNGR1M2@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <7a71.3643d3ff.3859508a@aol.com>
	<0KUP002SIRNGR1M2@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <0KUP00LCVRVQ6CGM@vms173013.mailsrvcs.net>

Oh, should have added, I can look there before Friday Night's game 
for you, if you want.
Kim

At 04:56 PM 12/15/2009, Kim Malo wrote:
>May not be ready, they ran late last year. Not up on website. 
>Suggest contacting Cs via website to ask. If they are available you 
>can always buy them at the Pro Shop in the Garden.
>Kim
>
>At 03:50 PM 12/15/2009, mafiaso316 at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>Has anyone gotten a copy of this years media guide and if so do you know
>>where I can get my hands on one?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Paolo



From mafiaso316 at aol.com  Tue Dec 15 23:29:00 2009
From: mafiaso316 at aol.com (mafiaso316 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:29:00 EST
Subject: Media Guide
Message-ID: <9c15.6e8df2f2.385975bc@aol.com>

Kim,
 
I've called both the Celtic's and Bruin's Pro Shop numbers and they don't  
have them in yet and they have no idea when they will be ready.   I  live in 
Stinkydelphia currently and I usually get them from the Pro Shops as I  go 
home to Maine every Thanksgiving and that is usually when I get them.   So 
let me know if you see them while you are at the game.
 
Paolo
 
 
In a message dated 12/15/2009 5:02:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
kmalo17 at verizon.net writes:

Oh,  should have added, I can look there before Friday Night's game 
for you, if  you want.
Kim

At 04:56 PM 12/15/2009, Kim Malo wrote:
>May not  be ready, they ran late last year. Not up on website. 
>Suggest  contacting Cs via website to ask. If they are available you 
>can always  buy them at the Pro Shop in the Garden.
>Kim
>
>At 03:50 PM  12/15/2009, mafiaso316 at aol.com wrote:
>
>
>>Has anyone  gotten a copy of this years media guide and if so do you know
>>where  I can get my hands on  one?
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>Paolo


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From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Tue Dec 15 23:57:08 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 18:57:08 -0500
Subject: Media Guide
In-Reply-To: <9c15.6e8df2f2.385975bc@aol.com>
References: <9c15.6e8df2f2.385975bc@aol.com>
Message-ID: <0KUP00EWDX7Y9QX2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>

Will do. Like I said, I've noticed them late - this late or worse - 
before. Celtics should have given you a better answer than that 
though, since someone obviously knows if it's a printer problem, them 
being late getting it out, etc. Anyway I can definitely keep an eye 
out for you.
So how's the Iverson signing really playing in Philly? Still can't 
believe what a bust Brand has been for them.
Kim

At 06:29 PM 12/15/2009, mafiaso316 at aol.com wrote:
>Kim,
>
>I've called both the Celtic's and Bruin's Pro Shop numbers and they don't
>have them in yet and they have no idea when they will be ready.   I  live in
>Stinkydelphia currently and I usually get them from the Pro Shops as I  go
>home to Maine every Thanksgiving and that is usually when I get them.   So
>let me know if you see them while you are at the game.
>
>Paolo



From mafiaso316 at aol.com  Wed Dec 16 00:17:32 2009
From: mafiaso316 at aol.com (mafiaso316 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 19:17:32 EST
Subject: Media Guide
Message-ID: <a52c.10795ce.3859811c@aol.com>

50 - 50 here, they only really signed him for the attendance problems they  
are having, he is is still running and gunning.
 
 
In a message dated 12/15/2009 6:58:42 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
kmalo17 at verizon.net writes:

Will do.  Like I said, I've noticed them late - this late or worse - 
before. Celtics  should have given you a better answer than that 
though, since someone  obviously knows if it's a printer problem, them 
being late getting it out,  etc. Anyway I can definitely keep an eye 
out for you.
So how's the  Iverson signing really playing in Philly? Still can't 
believe what a bust  Brand has been for them.
Kim

At 06:29 PM 12/15/2009,  mafiaso316 at aol.com wrote:
>Kim,
>
>I've called both the  Celtic's and Bruin's Pro Shop numbers and they don't
>have them in yet  and they have no idea when they will be ready.   I  live 
 in
>Stinkydelphia currently and I usually get them from the Pro Shops as  I  go
>home to Maine every Thanksgiving and that is usually when I  get them.   So
>let me know if you see them while you are at  the  game.
>
>Paolo


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From eggcentric at aol.com  Wed Dec 16 01:35:34 2009
From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:35:34 -0500
Subject: Media Guide
In-Reply-To: <0KUP00EWDX7Y9QX2@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <DF993C7F.F45D.44F2.853A.F40349E960B0@aol.com>


On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:57:08 PM, "Kim Malo" <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:

So how's the Iverson signing really playing in Philly? Still can't?
believe what a bust Brand has been for them.
Kim
Shows how smart I am?in drafting/ adding them both to my roster in
Mark P's (the other Mark) ?fantasy league. ?So many idiotic GMs in the NBA. ?
Like why would Philly sign Brand to a 5-yr. lucrative contract when his styleof play?doesn't fit the team? ? ?Appears that coach Eddie Jordan has a singular 
dislike of him. ?Wasted talent. ?And does Don Nelson like even one player on
his dysfunctional roster??

Egg

PS - Kim, ?co- owner Pag, whose only political experience was as eighth-gradeclass president,??spent something like $7.5 mill on his senatorial campaign?
only to finish dead?last in the Mass. primary. ? ?However, ?the good news is
that he still has?about $400 mill. ?to run for Prez against Palin ?in 2012. ? ?
What a world, eh??

Did you know that Pagliuca's ?Bain Group made a ?$3.5 billion offer?to buy the entire NHL but it didn't ?work out? ?True story.

Egg

From davidp4660 at cox.net  Wed Dec 16 16:49:25 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:49:25 -0500
Subject: Media Guide
In-Reply-To: <DF993C7F.F45D.44F2.853A.F40349E960B0@aol.com>
Message-ID: <20091216114925.A7PIE.219336.imail@eastrmwml29>

Sounds like Pag had as much experience as the empty suit running the country (into the gorun, that is)
---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:57:08 PM, "Kim Malo" <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> So how's the Iverson signing really playing in Philly? Still can't?
> believe what a bust Brand has been for them.
> Kim
> Shows how smart I am?in drafting/ adding them both to my roster in
> Mark P's (the other Mark) ?fantasy league. ?So many idiotic GMs in the NBA. ?
> Like why would Philly sign Brand to a 5-yr. lucrative contract when his styleof play?doesn't fit the team? ? ?Appears that coach Eddie Jordan has a singular 
> dislike of him. ?Wasted talent. ?And does Don Nelson like even one player on
> his dysfunctional roster??
> 
> Egg
> 
> PS - Kim, ?co- owner Pag, whose only political experience was as eighth-gradeclass president,??spent something like $7.5 mill on his senatorial campaign?
> only to finish dead?last in the Mass. primary. ? ?However, ?the good news is
> that he still has?about $400 mill. ?to run for Prez against Palin ?in 2012. ? ?
> What a world, eh??
> 
> Did you know that Pagliuca's ?Bain Group made a ?$3.5 billion offer?to buy the entire NHL but it didn't ?work out? ?True story.
> 
> Egg
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Wed Dec 16 16:57:08 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:57:08 -0500
Subject: Media Guide
In-Reply-To: <20091216114925.A7PIE.219336.imail@eastrmwml29>
Message-ID: <20091216115708.DCISR.219489.imail@eastrmwml29>

That's supposed to be ground, (not gorun), but that whould have been obvious.
---- davidp4660 at cox.net wrote: 
> Sounds like Pag had as much experience as the empty suit running the country (into the gorun, that is)
---- eggcentric <eggcentric at aol.com> wrote: 
> 
> On Dec 15, 2009, at 6:57:08 PM, "Kim Malo" <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> So how's the Iverson signing really playing in Philly? Still can't?
> believe what a bust Brand has been for them.
> Kim
> Shows how smart I am?in drafting/ adding them both to my roster in
> Mark P's (the other Mark) ?fantasy league. ?So many idiotic GMs in the NBA. ?
> Like why would Philly sign Brand to a 5-yr. lucrative contract when his styleof play?doesn't fit the team? ? ?Appears that coach Eddie Jordan has a singular 
> dislike of him. ?Wasted talent. ?And does Don Nelson like even one player on
> his dysfunctional roster??
> 
> Egg
> 
> PS - Kim, ?co- owner Pag, whose only political experience was as eighth-gradeclass president,??spent something like $7.5 mill on his senatorial campaign?
> only to finish dead?last in the Mass. primary. ? ?However, ?the good news is
> that he still has?about $400 mill. ?to run for Prez against Palin ?in 2012. ? ?
> What a world, eh??
> 
> Did you know that Pagliuca's ?Bain Group made a ?$3.5 billion offer?to buy the entire NHL but it didn't ?work out? ?True story.
> 
> Egg
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From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 17 01:17:11 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:17:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State
Message-ID: <209655.13961.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Good Egg is right that the Warriors roster as a whole is dysfunctional,
but several of their players would be very functional and a lot more on the Celtics, and would alleviate the major Celtics weaknesses of athleticism in the frontcourt, perimeter defense and a backup PG.

You would think that Ainge would covet a player like multidimensional -- he bounds through space and time -- big man Anthony Randolph, as a possible KG replacement down the line. Maggette, whom the Celtics have already showed interest in, would be a great sixth man this season and a starter next year. Raja Bell, when he returns from surgery is a terrific veteran defender. Anthony Morrow is ready to burst upon the NBA scene and could start for the Celtics next season. Kelenna Azubuike is a bigger version of Tony Allen with a higher basketball IQ. Stephen Curry is a taller Eddie House with talent. And the Celtics could use an athletic forward like Brandan Wright, whenever he returns.

So, the questions are: 

- Would Celtics management be willing to add future payroll in the form of Maggette's or other Warriors contracts? 

- Could they execute a Ray Allen trade with the Warriors, where Allen would be bought out and would return to the Celtics?

Offering Golden State, Ray Allen, Davis, and expirings, the Celtics could put together a huge deal eerily reminiscent of the JB Carroll and the 13th pick for Parish and McHale swindle. 

Ray 



 


      


From jlyell at verizon.net  Thu Dec 17 02:23:26 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:23:26 +0000
Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State
In-Reply-To: <209655.13961.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <209655.13961.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <45288700-1261016607-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-832006495-@bda255.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Magette is overpaid. Azubuike and Morrow have big upside 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:17:11 
To: Celtics Are Idiots List<celtics at igtc.com>; Celtics Stuff<celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State

Good Egg is right that the Warriors roster as a whole is dysfunctional,
but several of their players would be very functional and a lot more on the Celtics, and would alleviate the major Celtics weaknesses of athleticism in the frontcourt, perimeter defense and a backup PG.

You would think that Ainge would covet a player like multidimensional -- he bounds through space and time -- big man Anthony Randolph, as a possible KG replacement down the line. Maggette, whom the Celtics have already showed interest in, would be a great sixth man this season and a starter next year. Raja Bell, when he returns from surgery is a terrific veteran defender. Anthony Morrow is ready to burst upon the NBA scene and could start for the Celtics next season. Kelenna Azubuike is a bigger version of Tony Allen with a higher basketball IQ. Stephen Curry is a taller Eddie House with talent. And the Celtics could use an athletic forward like Brandan Wright, whenever he returns.

So, the questions are: 

- Would Celtics management be willing to add future payroll in the form of Maggette's or other Warriors contracts? 

- Could they execute a Ray Allen trade with the Warriors, where Allen would be bought out and would return to the Celtics?

Offering Golden State, Ray Allen, Davis, and expirings, the Celtics could put together a huge deal eerily reminiscent of the JB Carroll and the 13th pick for Parish and McHale swindle. 

Ray 



 


      

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From guiseppemiguel at gmail.com  Thu Dec 17 02:34:30 2009
From: guiseppemiguel at gmail.com (Joe Curley)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:34:30 +0000
Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State
In-Reply-To: <45288700-1261016607-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-832006495-@bda255.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <209655.13961.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><45288700-1261016607-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-832006495-@bda255.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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If we're dealing Ray we better get Monta, Randolph or Morrow. 

-----Original Message-----
From: "John Lyell" <jlyell at verizon.net>
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:23:26 
To: Celtics<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: Re: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State

Magette is overpaid. Azubuike and Morrow have big upside 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:17:11 
To: Celtics Are Idiots List<celtics at igtc.com>; Celtics Stuff<celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State

Good Egg is right that the Warriors roster as a whole is dysfunctional,
but several of their players would be very functional and a lot more on the Celtics, and would alleviate the major Celtics weaknesses of athleticism in the frontcourt, perimeter defense and a backup PG.

You would think that Ainge would covet a player like multidimensional -- he bounds through space and time -- big man Anthony Randolph, as a possible KG replacement down the line. Maggette, whom the Celtics have already showed interest in, would be a great sixth man this season and a starter next year. Raja Bell, when he returns from surgery is a terrific veteran defender. Anthony Morrow is ready to burst upon the NBA scene and could start for the Celtics next season. Kelenna Azubuike is a bigger version of Tony Allen with a higher basketball IQ. Stephen Curry is a taller Eddie House with talent. And the Celtics could use an athletic forward like Brandan Wright, whenever he returns.

So, the questions are: 

- Would Celtics management be willing to add future payroll in the form of Maggette's or other Warriors contracts? 

- Could they execute a Ray Allen trade with the Warriors, where Allen would be bought out and would return to the Celtics?

Offering Golden State, Ray Allen, Davis, and expirings, the Celtics could put together a huge deal eerily reminiscent of the JB Carroll and the 13th pick for Parish and McHale swindle. 

Ray 



 


      

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From hartleyo at bellsouth.net  Thu Dec 17 03:09:08 2009
From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net (hartleyo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:09:08 -0500
Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State
References: <209655.13961.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6B2C73EB4B254FAEBCA08DE0AF4A9320@D2F52Z11>

I' m confused, Celts have the best record in BB, won 11 in a row on the road 
and they have played about 7-8 less home games than the Lakers, why the rush 
right now? On top of this, we have some who want to trade Rondo, are they 
nuts or are they just living in the twilight Zone. Rondo is on the precipice 
of being the one of the top PG's in the league, if not the best pg, yuh 
that's right he is better than Rose and Paul and we got YoYo's who want to 
trade him. Whatever they are smoking, I want some. I swear if the C's were 
undefeated, these YoYo's would still want to start trading away.

Hart

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
To: "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>; "Celtics Stuff" 
<celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State


> Good Egg is right that the Warriors roster as a whole is dysfunctional,
> but several of their players would be very functional and a lot more on 
> the Celtics, and would alleviate the major Celtics weaknesses of 
> athleticism in the frontcourt, perimeter defense and a backup PG.
>
> You would think that Ainge would covet a player like multidimensional --  
> he bounds through space and time -- big man Anthony Randolph, as a 
> possible KG replacement down the line. Maggette, whom the Celtics have 
> already showed interest in, would be a great sixth man this season and a 
> starter next year. Raja Bell, when he returns from surgery is a terrific 
> veteran defender. Anthony Morrow is ready to burst upon the NBA scene and 
> could start for the Celtics next season. Kelenna Azubuike is a bigger 
> version of Tony Allen with a higher basketball IQ. Stephen Curry is a 
> taller Eddie House with talent. And the Celtics could use an athletic 
> forward like Brandan Wright, whenever he returns.
>
> So, the questions are:
>
> - Would Celtics management be willing to add future payroll in the form of 
> Maggette's or other Warriors contracts?
>
> - Could they execute a Ray Allen trade with the Warriors, where Allen 
> would be bought out and would return to the Celtics?
>
> Offering Golden State, Ray Allen, Davis, and expirings, the Celtics could 
> put together a huge deal eerily reminiscent of the JB Carroll and the 13th 
> pick for Parish and McHale swindle.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From cecilw45 at hotmail.com  Thu Dec 17 03:10:05 2009
From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 23:10:05 -0400
Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State
In-Reply-To: <55790786-1261017277-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1678927453-@bda506.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <209655.13961.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><45288700-1261016607-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-832006495-@bda255.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>,
	<55790786-1261017277-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1678927453-@bda506.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Their entire roster doesn't have the talent of Chief and McHale!!

 

Cecil (was wondering when Ray would poke his head outside)

 


 
> Subject: Re: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State
> To: jlyell at verizon.net; celtics at igtc.com
> From: guiseppemiguel at gmail.com
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:34:30 +0000
> 
> If we're dealing Ray we better get Monta, Randolph or Morrow. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "John Lyell" <jlyell at verizon.net>
> Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 02:23:26 
> To: Celtics<celtics at igtc.com>
> Subject: Re: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State
> 
> Magette is overpaid. Azubuike and Morrow have big upside 
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:17:11 
> To: Celtics Are Idiots List<celtics at igtc.com>; Celtics Stuff<celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State
> 
> Good Egg is right that the Warriors roster as a whole is dysfunctional,
> but several of their players would be very functional and a lot more on the Celtics, and would alleviate the major Celtics weaknesses of athleticism in the frontcourt, perimeter defense and a backup PG.
> 
> You would think that Ainge would covet a player like multidimensional -- he bounds through space and time -- big man Anthony Randolph, as a possible KG replacement down the line. Maggette, whom the Celtics have already showed interest in, would be a great sixth man this season and a starter next year. Raja Bell, when he returns from surgery is a terrific veteran defender. Anthony Morrow is ready to burst upon the NBA scene and could start for the Celtics next season. Kelenna Azubuike is a bigger version of Tony Allen with a higher basketball IQ. Stephen Curry is a taller Eddie House with talent. And the Celtics could use an athletic forward like Brandan Wright, whenever he returns.
> 
> So, the questions are: 
> 
> - Would Celtics management be willing to add future payroll in the form of Maggette's or other Warriors contracts? 
> 
> - Could they execute a Ray Allen trade with the Warriors, where Allen would be bought out and would return to the Celtics?
> 
> Offering Golden State, Ray Allen, Davis, and expirings, the Celtics could put together a huge deal eerily reminiscent of the JB Carroll and the 13th pick for Parish and McHale swindle. 
> 
> Ray 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From green00333444 at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 17 15:18:07 2009
From: green00333444 at yahoo.com (Green 00)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:18:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Ainge Should Trade Ray Allen To Golden State
In-Reply-To: <209655.13961.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <856269.83580.qm@web63104.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

There is NO WAY that the C's are going to trade any of their top 6 or 7 players this season.  Chemistry is so important with all team sports, I've even seen the effects of good/bad chemistry with my son's U12 soccer teams.

No one in their right mind would disrupt a team that is playing together this well, AND has the best record in the league.  

The only potential move I can see is the C's packaging Scal + T. Allen (6 mill combined expiring contracts) to add another bench player (K. Hinrich, A. Nocioni, A. Miller).  Even that probably wont happen.  When Big Baby and Daniels return the C's will have a very strong, and deep, bench.

Charles




      


From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Thu Dec 17 21:25:11 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:25:11 -0500
Subject: Pierce Blog
Message-ID: <0KUT0085BFIHXK31@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>

Man no one ever talks much about anything here unless it's stupid 
trade / transaction talk.
For those with interest in anything else to do with the Cs, Pierce 
has started periodically blogging on 
Boston.com 
http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/
Fun to read. Sounds a lot like listening in on a conversation with 
him talking, which is exactly how it should read (trust me, a lot of 
people can't write that way).
Kim



From joefan11111 at aol.com  Thu Dec 17 21:43:09 2009
From: joefan11111 at aol.com (joefan11111)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 16:43:09 -0500
Subject: Pierce Blog
In-Reply-To: <0KUT0085BFIHXK31@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <41F9AAC6.75D9.4DAF.9598.5756D1A7B504@aol.com>


On Dec 17, 2009, at 4:25:11 PM, "Kim Malo" <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>Man no one ever talks much about anything here unless it's stupid 
>>trade / transaction talk.

well maybe you could occasionally come up with something more interesting then a Pierce blog
that would set us all straight on proper subject matter. ?seems like all the interesting postsare downed immediately by the self proclaimed smart people here.

Joe?

From pmm at igtc.com  Thu Dec 17 22:03:14 2009
From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M Moriarty)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:03:14 -0800
Subject: Pierce Blog
In-Reply-To: <0KUT0085BFIHXK31@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0KUT0085BFIHXK31@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <33F07A92-7D56-4760-99C0-BCCCCBC8549F@igtc.com>

With all due respect, I bet if I had a Globe reporter writing my blog for me, it would read pretty well too. :)

Still glad to see Pierce doing this and I'm envious he has the luxury of having a pro writer for his blog entries.

- Paul -

On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Kim Malo wrote:

> Man no one ever talks much about anything here unless it's stupid trade / transaction talk.
> For those with interest in anything else to do with the Cs, Pierce has started periodically blogging on Boston.com http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/
> Fun to read. Sounds a lot like listening in on a conversation with him talking, which is exactly how it should read (trust me, a lot of people can't write that way).
> Kim
> 
> 
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From kmalo17 at verizon.net  Thu Dec 17 23:11:57 2009
From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 18:11:57 -0500
Subject: Pierce Blog
In-Reply-To: <33F07A92-7D56-4760-99C0-BCCCCBC8549F@igtc.com>
References: <0KUT0085BFIHXK31@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net>
	<33F07A92-7D56-4760-99C0-BCCCCBC8549F@igtc.com>
Message-ID: <0KUT007DZKGL77M2@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net>

Careful, according to Joefan this isn't a suitable topic for 
discussion. Who knows, he complain to the listown... oh, yeah, right...

Wouldn't be so sure about the results of having a Globe writer doing 
it for you, given the quality of some of the regular stuff. 
Seriously, yeah, I know, and he did get paired with one of the better 
of the current Cs writers qua writer, but it also sounds enough like 
Pierce talking that I think there's a fair proportion of it that's 
him. I think there was more smoothing of connections between things 
and grammatical rough spots than making it up for him or creating all 
of the style out of whole cloth.

And still amuses me more than shopping for deals requiring an 
alternate universe.

Kim, slinking back into silent contemplation of the legit hope 
tomorrow of getting to a Friday night game that they win

At 05:03 PM 12/17/2009, Paul M Moriarty wrote:
>With all due respect, I bet if I had a Globe reporter writing my 
>blog for me, it would read pretty well too. :)
>
>Still glad to see Pierce doing this and I'm envious he has the 
>luxury of having a pro writer for his blog entries.
>
>- Paul -
>
>On Dec 17, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Kim Malo wrote:
>
> > Man no one ever talks much about anything here unless it's stupid 
> trade / transaction talk.
> > For those with interest in anything else to do with the Cs, 
> Pierce has started periodically blogging on Boston.com 
> http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/
> > Fun to read. Sounds a lot like listening in on a conversation 
> with him talking, which is exactly how it should read (trust me, a 
> lot of people can't write that way).
> > Kim



From pmm at igtc.com  Thu Dec 17 23:36:56 2009
From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M Moriarty)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 15:36:56 -0800
Subject: Pierce Blog
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On Dec 17, 2009, at 3:11 PM, Kim Malo wrote:

> Careful, according to Joefan this isn't a suitable topic for discussion. Who knows, he complain to the listown... oh, yeah, right...

lol

> 
> Wouldn't be so sure about the results of having a Globe writer doing it for you, given the quality of some of the regular stuff. Seriously, yeah, I know, and he did get paired with one of the better of the current Cs writers qua writer, but it also sounds enough like Pierce talking that I think there's a fair proportion of it that's him. I think there was more smoothing of connections between things and grammatical rough spots than making it up for him or creating all of the style out of whole cloth.
> 
> And still amuses me more than shopping for deals requiring an alternate universe.
> 
> Kim, slinking back into silent contemplation of the legit hope tomorrow of getting to a Friday night game that they win
> 


I wasn't trying to shut you up!

From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 18 17:27:23 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:27:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pierce Blog
In-Reply-To: <41F9AAC6.75D9.4DAF.9598.5756D1A7B504@aol.com>
Message-ID: <482298.733.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Pierce has another blog entry today, about things he'd implement if Commissioner or President.  Interesting reading.  Never knew Paul's brother was a pro baseball player...

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/12/paul_pierce_if.html

As for the down time on the list, there just isn't much to talk about when you're winning every game.  Rondo's become everything we'd always hoped he would (justifying his contract extension and the Cs faith in the process), Perk's getting serious All-Star consideration (much earlier than I thought, but he's been very impressive so far), and KG seems healthy and at the top of his game once again (never had a doubt).  What is there to talk about, except the occasional made-up trade for Player X?  And, really, how interesting is that?  You can talk about what 'could be' forever and you never get anywhere.

Here's a conversation starter: I really like what TA's been doing lately; staying within himself, making hustle plays, and defending the perimeter very well.  He had 3 offensive boards against the Grizzlies on Monday--that was 3 times as many as our ENTIRE STARTING UNIT, in about 6 times less playing time.  I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that this is the year (finally) that TA stays healthy and learns to become a role player.  It's his time..  He's earned it too.

Ryan
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Pierce Blog
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 3:43 PM
> 
> On Dec 17, 2009, at 4:25:11 PM, "Kim Malo" <kmalo17 at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >>Man no one ever talks much about anything here
> unless it's stupid 
> >>trade / transaction talk.
> 
> well maybe you could occasionally come up with something
> more interesting then a Pierce blog
> that would set us all straight on proper subject matter.
> ?seems like all the interesting postsare downed immediately
> by the self proclaimed smart people here.
> 
> Joe?
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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 18 17:49:26 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:49:26 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Tony Allen
In-Reply-To: <482298.733.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <860930.44452.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

as long as he doesn't handle the ball -- he really is a turnover waiting to happen. ?I love his rebounding energy and hope it is infectious. ? But with Daniels out, it is a golden opportunity for Tony - good luck to him!
Ellie

--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Pierce Blog
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Friday, December 18, 2009, 12:27 PM

...
Here's a conversation starter: I really like what TA's been doing lately; staying within himself, making hustle plays, and defending the perimeter very well.? He had 3 offensive boards against the Grizzlies on Monday--that was 3 times as many as our ENTIRE STARTING UNIT, in about 6 times less playing time.? I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that this is the year (finally) that TA stays healthy and learns to become a role player.? It's his time..? He's earned it too.

Ryan
-



      

From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Fri Dec 18 18:14:45 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 13:14:45 -0500
Subject: Pierce Blog
In-Reply-To: <482298.733.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <41F9AAC6.75D9.4DAF.9598.5756D1A7B504@aol.com>
	<482298.733.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200912181814.nBIIEkQP027996@ares.afrc.af.mil>

I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that this is the year (finally) that TA stays healthy and learns to become a role player.  It's his time..  He's earned it too.

Ryan

Tony is SOOOOO getting a high ankle sprain tonight...nice jinx...




-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W
Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 12:27 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Pierce Blog

Pierce has another blog entry today, about things he'd implement if Commissioner or President.  Interesting reading.  Never knew Paul's brother was a pro baseball player...

http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/12/paul_pierce_if.html

As for the down time on the list, there just isn't much to talk about when you're winning every game.  Rondo's become everything we'd always hoped he would (justifying his contract extension and the Cs faith in the process), Perk's getting serious All-Star consideration (much earlier than I thought, but he's been very impressive so far), and KG seems healthy and at the top of his game once again (never had a doubt).  What is there to talk about, except the occasional made-up trade for Player X?  And, really, how interesting is that?  You can talk about what 'could be' forever and you never get anywhere.

Here's a conversation starter: I really like what TA's been doing lately; staying within himself, making hustle plays, and defending the perimeter very well.  He had 3 offensive boards against the Grizzlies on Monday--that was 3 times as many as our ENTIRE STARTING UNIT, in about 6 times less playing time.  I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that this is the year (finally) that TA stays healthy and learns to become a role player.  It's his time..  He's earned it too.

Ryan
--- On Thu, 12/17/09, joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: joefan11111 <joefan11111 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Pierce Blog
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Thursday, December 17, 2009, 3:43 PM
> 
> On Dec 17, 2009, at 4:25:11 PM, "Kim Malo" <kmalo17 at verizon.net>
> wrote:
> >>Man no one ever talks much about anything here
> unless it's stupid 
> >>trade / transaction talk.
> 
> well maybe you could occasionally come up with something
> more interesting then a Pierce blog
> that would set us all straight on proper subject matter.
> ?seems like all the interesting postsare downed immediately
> by the self proclaimed smart people here.
> 
> Joe?
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 18 19:40:34 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:40:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pierce Blog
In-Reply-To: <200912181814.nBIIEkQP027996@ares.afrc.af.mil>
Message-ID: <602094.78375.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> Tony is SOOOOO getting a high ankle sprain tonight...nice
> jinx...

My powers are great, but not that great, Pat.

The problem with TA (and House for that matter), and something that Ellie touched upon, is that he can't be expected to handle the ball, initiate the offense, or be the main penetrator/disher on the 2nd unit.  As of now, Doc's getting around this problem, using Ray or Paul to be the main ballhandler/distributer on the 2nd unit.  That's less than ideal, as we want to limit Ray and Paul's minutes and not play them out of position for upwards of 10-15 minutes a night in a position where they're expected to carry a bunch of lesser players while playing defacto point guard.  It's bad offense and puts too much of a burden on two aging players...

I think Gabe showed last season that we don't really need much of a ball handler on that 2nd unit in order to get good things out of the rest of the 2nd team.  In fact, Doc's offense isn't even designed to be run by a point guard (which is reason numero uno why Rondo 'disappears' from time to time).  

So, what I'm thinking is that Doc has designs on throwing Lester into the mix soon, and sent him up to Maine for 3 quicky games (the Lobsters have 3 games in 4 nights) to get his rhythm back, and that he's going to throw him into the fire either Sunday or Tuesday against the Wolves or Pacers when we're expected to call Lester back.

For those that haven't noticed, Lester hit the D-League like a bomb in his first two games, putting up huge rebounding #s (8 a game so far), while scoring 21 points a night on 50% 3 point shooting.  His assist #s are low (4.5 a game), but we all need to remember he's learning a new position and he basically was plopped down in an unfamiliar situation with unfamiliar players.  Fact is, he just has to bring the ball up the court, initiate the offense in a timely matter, and hit the occasion 3 while playing good defense.  He can do all that.  And he can also get in transition, get to the rim, and create his own shot.  

I like what TA has been doing, but I expect Lester to get his audition any day now.  And he's going to nail it.  The kid can dribble better than House and shot better than Rondo, and has the kind of quickness and long arms necessary to cause havoc on the defensive end.

Ryan



--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> Tony is SOOOOO getting a high ankle sprain tonight...nice
> jinx...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf Of Ryan W 
> Here's a conversation starter: I really like what TA's been
> doing lately; staying within himself, making hustle plays,
> and defending the perimeter very well.? He had 3
> offensive boards against the Grizzlies on Monday--that was 3
> times as many as our ENTIRE STARTING UNIT, in about 6 times
> less playing time.? I'm going to go out on a limb and
> predict that this is the year (finally) that TA stays
> healthy and learns to become a role player.? It's his
> time..? He's earned it too.
> 
> Ryan



      


From jlyell at verizon.net  Fri Dec 18 19:51:50 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 19:51:50 +0000
Subject: Pierce Blog
In-Reply-To: <602094.78375.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <200912181814.nBIIEkQP027996@ares.afrc.af.mil><602094.78375.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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Tony has looked good agility wise in the limited minutes I have seen 
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 11:40:34 
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: RE: Pierce Blog

--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> Tony is SOOOOO getting a high ankle sprain tonight...nice
> jinx...

My powers are great, but not that great, Pat.

The problem with TA (and House for that matter), and something that Ellie touched upon, is that he can't be expected to handle the ball, initiate the offense, or be the main penetrator/disher on the 2nd unit.  As of now, Doc's getting around this problem, using Ray or Paul to be the main ballhandler/distributer on the 2nd unit.  That's less than ideal, as we want to limit Ray and Paul's minutes and not play them out of position for upwards of 10-15 minutes a night in a position where they're expected to carry a bunch of lesser players while playing defacto point guard.  It's bad offense and puts too much of a burden on two aging players...

I think Gabe showed last season that we don't really need much of a ball handler on that 2nd unit in order to get good things out of the rest of the 2nd team.  In fact, Doc's offense isn't even designed to be run by a point guard (which is reason numero uno why Rondo 'disappears' from time to time).  

So, what I'm thinking is that Doc has designs on throwing Lester into the mix soon, and sent him up to Maine for 3 quicky games (the Lobsters have 3 games in 4 nights) to get his rhythm back, and that he's going to throw him into the fire either Sunday or Tuesday against the Wolves or Pacers when we're expected to call Lester back.

For those that haven't noticed, Lester hit the D-League like a bomb in his first two games, putting up huge rebounding #s (8 a game so far), while scoring 21 points a night on 50% 3 point shooting.  His assist #s are low (4.5 a game), but we all need to remember he's learning a new position and he basically was plopped down in an unfamiliar situation with unfamiliar players.  Fact is, he just has to bring the ball up the court, initiate the offense in a timely matter, and hit the occasion 3 while playing good defense.  He can do all that.  And he can also get in transition, get to the rim, and create his own shot.  

I like what TA has been doing, but I expect Lester to get his audition any day now.  And he's going to nail it.  The kid can dribble better than House and shot better than Rondo, and has the kind of quickness and long arms necessary to cause havoc on the defensive end.

Ryan



--- On Fri, 12/18/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil <Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil> wrote:
> Tony is SOOOOO getting a high ankle sprain tonight...nice
> jinx...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf Of Ryan W 
> Here's a conversation starter: I really like what TA's been
> doing lately; staying within himself, making hustle plays,
> and defending the perimeter very well.? He had 3
> offensive boards against the Grizzlies on Monday--that was 3
> times as many as our ENTIRE STARTING UNIT, in about 6 times
> less playing time.? I'm going to go out on a limb and
> predict that this is the year (finally) that TA stays
> healthy and learns to become a role player.? It's his
> time..? He's earned it too.
> 
> Ryan



      

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From stevebknight at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 19 10:51:50 2009
From: stevebknight at yahoo.com (steve knight)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 02:51:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: tony
In-Reply-To: <mailman.378.1261019373.2156.celtics@igtc.com>
References: <mailman.378.1261019373.2156.celtics@igtc.com>
Message-ID: <92895.4045.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

just watched the 76er game. worst loss of the season, in my book. we should have beaten that team by 20. the only bright spot was tony allen being the best player on the floor for about 10 minutes in the first half as the celts built their lead. vintage tony without the boneheadedness. that's the tony we don't see consistently but which reminds us of what he can be. he shut the other AI down while he was on him. he and rondo up top defensively are incredibly disruptive. if that game is any indication (insert tony allen jab here), looking forward to tony having a productive year and becoming a valuable contributor off the bench. 



Message: 3
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:59:50 -0500
From: Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net>
Subject: Fwd: Tony in mid-season form!
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>"TroySusieBrady" <tsb33 at windstream.net> wrote:
>
>Good to see that the time off hasn't hurt Tony's game:  2 TOs, 2 stupid
>fouls all in 5 minutes!!

Yeah, I had the same thought. But also at least three nifty passes to give teammates wide-open shots. I don't remember Tony seeing the floor that well in the past.

-- Eric



------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:38:58 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Tony in mid-season form!
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What's more predictable, that TA will show rust after not playing competitive basketball for 7 months, or that the Interneters would take another opportunity to bury the guy, warranted or not?  Just asking.

TA's creativeness on the 2nd unit is sorely needed with Daniels out with the bum thumb.  Tony's not your ideal playmaker, but he does a hell of a lot better than House, who still hasn't figured out how to play point and shoot well in the same game.  Ideally, Daniels and TA would play together, and we could use Marquis to handle the ball and use TA as a finisher and not a creator.

As Eric said, TA made at least 3 passes to open players for shots...House missed, Ray made it, and Scal fumbled his out of bounds.  One TO was off a miscommunication with Scal; and the other was a borderline charge/foul call that could have gone either way.  Not bad for coming off an injury and being rusty.  He'll be better in time.

Ryan


      


From douglas342 at aol.com  Sat Dec 19 18:44:42 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:44:42 -0500
Subject: Philly
Message-ID: <8CC4EF27600A229-144C-6C93@webmail-m090.sysops.aol.com>

I watched the whole thing and am not sure what to think. I agree that 
Tony looked good. The box score shows a game as close as it could be. 
The thing that struck me other than Tony was some of the amazingly 
stupid turnovers, especially early on, from Rondo and Ray. A review of 
the box score, though, doesn't show any unusual numbers in that 
category. Pierce was quiet, but Garnett played well, as did Rondo and 
Perk.

Maybe it was just one of those nights.


From jozersky at optonline.net  Sat Dec 19 18:48:49 2009
From: jozersky at optonline.net (Josh Ozersky)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:48:49 -0500
Subject: Philly
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I turned it off midway through the second quarter.
It was obvious that the Celtics had Philly beat. We
just had them so totally outclassed. I wonder why
Pierce didn't just put his head down in the fourth
and put it out of reach. 

Josh

--------------------------------------------------
From: <douglas342 at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:44 PM
To: <celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: Philly

> I watched the whole thing and am not sure what to think. I agree that 
> Tony looked good. The box score shows a game as close as it could be. 
> The thing that struck me other than Tony was some of the amazingly 
> stupid turnovers, especially early on, from Rondo and Ray. A review of 
> the box score, though, doesn't show any unusual numbers in that 
> category. Pierce was quiet, but Garnett played well, as did Rondo and 
> Perk.
> 
> Maybe it was just one of those nights.
> 
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From mafiaso316 at aol.com  Sat Dec 19 18:50:19 2009
From: mafiaso316 at aol.com (mafiaso316 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 13:50:19 EST
Subject: Philly
Message-ID: <9b57.5769691e.385e7a6b@aol.com>

It didn't help that Sheed got 2 tech's and got tossed and only played like  
9 minutes either.
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 12/19/2009 1:49:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
jozersky at optonline.net writes:

I turned  it off midway through the second quarter.
It was obvious that the Celtics  had Philly beat. We
just had them so totally outclassed. I wonder  why
Pierce didn't just put his head down in the fourth
and put it out of  reach.  

Josh

--------------------------------------------------
From:  <douglas342 at aol.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2009 1:44 PM
To:  <celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: Philly

> I watched the whole  thing and am not sure what to think. I agree that 
> Tony looked good.  The box score shows a game as close as it could be. 
> The thing that  struck me other than Tony was some of the amazingly 
> stupid turnovers,  especially early on, from Rondo and Ray. A review of 
> the box score,  though, doesn't show any unusual numbers in that 
> category. Pierce was  quiet, but Garnett played well, as did Rondo and 
> Perk.
>  
> Maybe it was just one of those nights.
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 19 19:56:48 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:56:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Philly
In-Reply-To: <D95C628B3F0C4A79B0EFEE76316710AA@JoshPC>
Message-ID: <121390.62555.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:
> From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: Philly
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
> I turned it off midway through the
> second quarter.
> It was obvious that the Celtics had Philly beat. 

Which is exactly why we got beat--we got overconfident, the ball stuck, guys quit making cuts, and nobody was setting screens.  Way too much iso resulted, guys got flatfooted, and we let Philly stay in the game.  And, unfortunately for us, they made just enough plays down the stretch to get the win.  This loss has been brewing awhile--I haven't liked our ball movement for the last couple games.

> We
> just had them so totally outclassed. I wonder why
> Pierce didn't just put his head down in the fourth
> and put it out of reach. 
> Josh

He tried and missed.  Rondo and Ray had their moments in the 4th, and when it came time for Paul to make his move, he had about ZERO rhythm going for him.  Even then, his shot was online--it just hit back rim.  

We needed this loss, there's been a lot of slippage and a little overconfidence creeping into our performance the last couple games.  Losing this game makes winning the Christmas game against Orlando more likely, IMO.  And we need that game.

Ryan


      


From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 19 20:01:42 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:01:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: tony
In-Reply-To: <92895.4045.qm@web37402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <663465.43600.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Yep, good thoughts Steve.  

TA can still dominate a game for stretches..  He was in on about 7 straight good plays in the 2nd quarter.  He was the best player off the bench BY FAR.

What I enjoyed most was the return of the post-dunk, semi-blackout, gut-scream--that's what's been missing with Tony.  When I see that, I know he's back because that's an expression of his confidence.  THAT Tony has been missing since the 2007 knee injury.  

Ryan

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, steve knight <stevebknight at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: steve knight <stevebknight at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: tony
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 4:51 AM
> just watched the 76er game. worst
> loss of the season, in my book.. we should have beaten that
> team by 20. the only bright spot was tony allen being the
> best player on the floor for about 10 minutes in the first
> half as the celts built their lead. vintage tony without the
> boneheadedness. that's the tony we don't see consistently
> but which reminds us of what he can be. he shut the other AI
> down while he was on him. he and rondo up top defensively
> are incredibly disruptive. if that game is any indication
> (insert tony allen jab here), looking forward to tony having
> a productive year and becoming a valuable contributor off
> the bench. 
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:59:50 -0500
> From: Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net>
> Subject: Fwd: Tony in mid-season form!
> To: Celtics at igtc.com
> Message-ID: <20091209140011.9A638E1C0BB at ignite.igtc.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> >"TroySusieBrady" <tsb33 at windstream.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >Good to see that the time off hasn't hurt Tony's
> game:? 2 TOs, 2 stupid
> >fouls all in 5 minutes!!
> 
> Yeah, I had the same thought. But also at least three nifty
> passes to give teammates wide-open shots. I don't remember
> Tony seeing the floor that well in the past.
> 
> -- Eric
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:38:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Tony in mid-season form!
> To: Celtics at igtc.com,
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> 
> What's more predictable, that TA will show rust after not
> playing competitive basketball for 7 months, or that the
> Interneters would take another opportunity to bury the guy,
> warranted or not?? Just asking.
> 
> TA's creativeness on the 2nd unit is sorely needed with
> Daniels out with the bum thumb.? Tony's not your ideal
> playmaker, but he does a hell of a lot better than House,
> who still hasn't figured out how to play point and shoot
> well in the same game.? Ideally, Daniels and TA would
> play together, and we could use Marquis to handle the ball
> and use TA as a finisher and not a creator.
> 
> As Eric said, TA made at least 3 passes to open players for
> shots...House missed, Ray made it, and Scal fumbled his out
> of bounds.? One TO was off a miscommunication with
> Scal; and the other was a borderline charge/foul call that
> could have gone either way.? Not bad for coming off an
> injury and being rusty.? He'll be better in time.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> 
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Sat Dec 19 20:57:29 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:57:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Philly
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They made the shots Iguodala and?Holiday and even Speights scored on us. The late one where Brand blocked out Pierce was big. They got 3-4 extra FT's on some bogus calls that ended up being the difference. Losing Wallace early could have cost us the game




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Sent: Sat, December 19, 2009 11:56:48 AM
Subject: Re: Philly

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:
> From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: Philly
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 12:48 PM
> I turned it off midway through the
> second quarter.
> It was obvious that the Celtics had Philly beat. 

Which is exactly why we got beat--we got overconfident, the ball stuck, guys quit making cuts, and nobody was setting screens.? Way too much iso resulted, guys got flatfooted, and we let Philly stay in the game.? And, unfortunately for us, they made just enough plays down the stretch to get the win.? This loss has been brewing awhile--I haven't liked our ball movement for the last couple games.

> We
> just had them so totally outclassed. I wonder why
> Pierce didn't just put his head down in the fourth
> and put it out of reach. 
> Josh

He tried and missed.? Rondo and Ray had their moments in the 4th, and when it came time for Paul to make his move, he had about ZERO rhythm going for him.? Even then, his shot was online--it just hit back rim.? 

We needed this loss, there's been a lot of slippage and a little overconfidence creeping into our performance the last couple games.? Losing this game makes winning the Christmas game against Orlando more likely, IMO.? And we need that game.

Ryan


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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 20 13:29:25 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 05:29:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: tony
In-Reply-To: <663465.43600.qm@web65604.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <847197.11126.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

His teammates enjoyed the scream, too. ?You don't often see players LOL on the floor. ?I really enjoyed seeing Tony and Rondo on the floor together - either one by themselves can make you look for a play to be disrupted (on D, that is ; ) - put them together and that is one nasty duo. ?
Yah, Rondo had 3 turnovers right out of the gate. ?Tough with this team to balance rest with rust. ? And Ryan (?), I do hope we see Doc finally start to play Lester Hudson! ? For the 2nd half of the season, we have to preserve the troops - hopefully Hudson and Glen Davis will be worked into the rotation.
I'm sure Rasheed Wallace is being targeted because of his recent comments re the Tim Donaghy book. ?I'm sorry, the refs mostly just suck and let their male egos get in the way of objectivity. ?The NBA really needs to rethink the whole reffing thing to make it fair. ?For one thing, refs should not be able to blow a whistle on something they can't actually see. Lst night Rondo had a great all-ball ripoff and got an automatic foul. The ref was standing behind the philly player's back - no way he could see what really happened. Maybe they'll come up with uniform material that contains sensors or cameras or something - I see a great MIT project here!!
Ellie


--- On Sat, 12/19/09, Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: tony
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 3:01 PM

Yep, good thoughts Steve.? 

TA can still dominate a game for stretches..? He was in on about 7 straight good plays in the 2nd quarter.? He was the best player off the bench BY FAR.

What I enjoyed most was the return of the post-dunk, semi-blackout, gut-scream--that's what's been missing with Tony.? When I see that, I know he's back because that's an expression of his confidence.? THAT Tony has been missing since the 2007 knee injury.? 

Ryan

--- On Sat, 12/19/09, steve knight <stevebknight at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: steve knight <stevebknight at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: tony
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Saturday, December 19, 2009, 4:51 AM
> just watched the 76er game. worst
> loss of the season, in my book.. we should have beaten that
> team by 20. the only bright spot was tony allen being the
> best player on the floor for about 10 minutes in the first
> half as the celts built their lead. vintage tony without the
> boneheadedness. that's the tony we don't see consistently
> but which reminds us of what he can be. he shut the other AI
> down while he was on him. he and rondo up top defensively
> are incredibly disruptive. if that game is any indication
> (insert tony allen jab here), looking forward to tony having
> a productive year and becoming a valuable contributor off
> the bench. 
> 
> 
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 08:59:50 -0500
> From: Eric Albert <Eric at ericalbert.net>
> Subject: Fwd: Tony in mid-season form!
> To: Celtics at igtc.com
> Message-ID: <20091209140011.9A638E1C0BB at ignite.igtc.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> >"TroySusieBrady" <tsb33 at windstream.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >Good to see that the time off hasn't hurt Tony's
> game:? 2 TOs, 2 stupid
> >fouls all in 5 minutes!!
> 
> Yeah, I had the same thought. But also at least three nifty
> passes to give teammates wide-open shots. I don't remember
> Tony seeing the floor that well in the past.
> 
> -- Eric
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 06:38:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Fwd: Tony in mid-season form!
> To: Celtics at igtc.com,
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> What's more predictable, that TA will show rust after not
> playing competitive basketball for 7 months, or that the
> Interneters would take another opportunity to bury the guy,
> warranted or not?? Just asking.
> 
> TA's creativeness on the 2nd unit is sorely needed with
> Daniels out with the bum thumb.? Tony's not your ideal
> playmaker, but he does a hell of a lot better than House,
> who still hasn't figured out how to play point and shoot
> well in the same game.? Ideally, Daniels and TA would
> play together, and we could use Marquis to handle the ball
> and use TA as a finisher and not a creator.
> 
> As Eric said, TA made at least 3 passes to open players for
> shots...House missed, Ray made it, and Scal fumbled his out
> of bounds.? One TO was off a miscommunication with
> Scal; and the other was a borderline charge/foul call that
> could have gone either way.? Not bad for coming off an
> injury and being rusty.? He'll be better in time.
> 
> Ryan
> 
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 20 17:42:53 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:42:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: tony
In-Reply-To: <847197.11126.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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--- On Sun, 12/20/09, Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: tony
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 7:29 AM
> His teammates enjoyed the scream,
> too. ?You don't often see players LOL on the floor. ?

Yeah, Ray Allen get a chuckle out of some of TA's other goofball antics in the 2nd quarter, the time TA momentarily acted like he got stabbed in the eye after being  fouled at the rim.  Like you said, rarely do players laugh out loud while they're playing....though looking back on what became a loss maybe that's not so good after all.

> I
> really enjoyed seeing Tony and Rondo on the floor together -
> either one by themselves can make you look for a play to be
> disrupted (on D, that is ; ) - put them together and that is
> one nasty duo. ?

Yeah, I've heard people say that you can't play Rondo and TA together because neither can shoot well from range--but I think the defensive and transition advantages can outweigh that, provided we use those advantages.  In the 2nd quarter, we did.  In the late 3rd, early 4th, we really didn't.  Part of the problems in the 2nd half stemmed from Wallace's ejection, and playing non-scorers like Scal and Williams with non-shooters TA and Rondo.  Wallace allows you to play Rondo and TA together, because you can dump the ball into Wallace and get a good shot in the half court.  Additionally, TA is tending to look better in the 1st half than the 2nd due to the nature of his injury--the ankle gets tight after he sits down.

> Yah, Rondo had 3 turnovers right out of the gate. ?Tough
> with this team to balance rest with rust. ? And Ryan (?), I
> do hope we see Doc finally start to play Lester Hudson! ?
> For the 2nd half of the season, we have to preserve the
> troops - hopefully Hudson and Glen Davis will be worked into
> the rotation.

Rondo had one of those games where he was sloppy with the ball.  The entire team's focus was suspect as well, leading to less ball movement, player movement, and pick setting.

Hudson, by the way, had a pretty poor game last night for the Red Claws.  Hey Pat, my 'Hudson is taking the D-league by storm' post was the jinx post, I guess.  

Davis will help for sure, when he's healthy and back in rhythm.  He can be an explosive scorer and effective defender at the center spot.  He could have made up for the loss of Wallace last night...

> I'm sure Rasheed Wallace is being targeted because of his
> recent comments re the Tim Donaghy book. ?I'm sorry, the
> refs mostly just suck and let their male egos get in the way
> of objectivity. ?The NBA really needs to rethink the whole
> reffing thing to make it fair. ?For one thing, refs should
> not be able to blow a whistle on something they can't
> actually see. Lst night Rondo had a great all-ball ripoff
> and got an automatic foul. The ref was standing behind the
> philly player's back - no way he could see what really
> happened. Maybe they'll come up with uniform material that
> contains sensors or cameras or something - I see a great MIT
> project here!!
> Ellie

Well, Wallace got the 2nd tech from Celtic-hater Bill Kennedy, the same guy who was disciplined by the league last season for baiting Doc Rivers.  

Wallace is an obvious target and until the NBA focuses on removing ref bias from the game, he and others will continue to get a unfair shake.  The thing with basketball, more so than other sports, is that it's a game where you *could* call something on *any* play, leaving biased refs with an opportunity to stick it to teams and players whenever they want to, while having plausible deniability to say "hey, that was actually a travel, a carry, a 3-second violation, or a moving screen".  

Bill Kennedy was right smack in the middle of a ton of bad calls down the stretch, like the one Perk got for simply boxing out Speights...

Ryan


      


From jahillsr at comcast.net  Mon Dec 21 03:36:30 2009
From: jahillsr at comcast.net (Jim Hill)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:36:30 -0500
Subject: Minnie Game
Message-ID: <000b01ca81ee$c956f800$5c04e800$@net>

Well that was better tonight. The team really looked better tonight.   Still
sloppy a few times however.

 

Tony sure looked better. He had that one end-to-end rush with the pass for
the score which showed some solid court awareness.  The dunk on the House
"pass"  was also shades of Tony Past.  The big guns all played well.  Perk
looked super, Williams seems to be finding his role and aggressiveness on
the boards.  In all the second team seemed to play well together.  Hudson
needs to make those shots he missed tonight if he is going to stick.

 

On another note, Mike Gorman on the radio the other morning said Tommy felt
good about the chemistry of this team.  It shows.   Looking forward to Baby
coming back and see what he can bring.  

 

Big Al looked good along with a couple guys that they may be able to build
around.  Wouldn't mind seeing him back in Boston one day.

 

<Jim


From davidp4660 at cox.net  Mon Dec 21 03:56:32 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:56:32 -0500
Subject: Minnie Game
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That play by Eddie for the Tony slam will be in my top 5 greatest plays of all time for a Celtics player. It was like it was rehearsed.  Tony is looking might good.  He's added some much needed up tempo speed that we appear to be lacking of late. Plus he's playing on both ends of the court and is playing like the Tony Allen of yester year. better than expected.  Doc has got to be scratching his head when he realizes Davis and Daniels will be coming back at some point, and he has to shave minutes from some players.  If Williams and Allen are playing well and at least as well as they have been of late, Doc has some considering to think about.  I'd hate to take minutes away from players playing well, yet I don't want Davis or Daniels to be riding the pine, either.  When we are at full strength, this team will be very interseting-(as if they haven't been intersting to date) to watch, as the talent level of the 2nd unit will be much improved.
---- Jim Hill <jahillsr at comcast.net> wrote: 
> Well that was better tonight. The team really looked better tonight.   Still
> sloppy a few times however.
> 
>  
> 
> Tony sure looked better. He had that one end-to-end rush with the pass for
> the score which showed some solid court awareness.  The dunk on the House
> "pass"  was also shades of Tony Past.  The big guns all played well.  Perk
> looked super, Williams seems to be finding his role and aggressiveness on
> the boards.  In all the second team seemed to play well together.  Hudson
> needs to make those shots he missed tonight if he is going to stick.
> 
>  
> 
> On another note, Mike Gorman on the radio the other morning said Tommy felt
> good about the chemistry of this team.  It shows.   Looking forward to Baby
> coming back and see what he can bring.  
> 
>  
> 
> Big Al looked good along with a couple guys that they may be able to build
> around.  Wouldn't mind seeing him back in Boston one day.
> 
>  
> 
> <Jim
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From gk_tyler at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 21 12:28:02 2009
From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 04:28:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: all-stars
Message-ID: <133946.58091.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

>From Gene, strangely quiet but happily so on the re-emergence of Tony Allen.  I think we should have (that's "should") three all-stars this year:  Garnett, Perkins, and Rondo.  As things go, Pierce will likely be selected alongside Garnett and that will be it, unless what the players do on the court is the criterion.

Enjoying the list quietly these days.  Hope everyone enjoys some down time this week or next.  Many are snowbound; hope you are warm.  Looking forward to the Christmas day game.  Gene



      

From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 21 14:07:03 2009
From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 06:07:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Minnie Game
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<Looking forward to Baby coming back and see what he can bring.?>

Whose minutes is he going to take?? Shelden William's or Kevin Garnett's? Some of both I'll wager.

When we get Baby back ( and Daniels after that) will Doc be able to integrate all these guys while still winning games so we get home court throughout the playoffs.? Home court is very important especially with the greatest fans around in Boston.? The old guys need their rest but not at the expense of losing games.

Doc has his work cut out for him.


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From: Jim Hill <jahillsr at comcast.net>
To: celtics at igtc.com
Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 10:36:30 PM
Subject: Minnie Game

Well that was better tonight. The team really looked better tonight.? Still
sloppy a few times however.



Tony sure looked better. He had that one end-to-end rush with the pass for
the score which showed some solid court awareness.? The dunk on the House
"pass"? was also shades of Tony Past.? The big guns all played well.? Perk
looked super, Williams seems to be finding his role and aggressiveness on
the boards.? In all the second team seemed to play well together.? Hudson
needs to make those shots he missed tonight if he is going to stick.



On another note, Mike Gorman on the radio the other morning said Tommy felt
good about the chemistry of this team.? It shows.? Looking forward to Baby
coming back and see what he can bring.? 



Big Al looked good along with a couple guys that they may be able to build
around.? Wouldn't mind seeing him back in Boston one day.



<Jim

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From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil  Mon Dec 21 14:17:22 2009
From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 09:17:22 -0500
Subject: Minnie Game
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	<701789.3479.qm@web65507.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
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If we could keep the big leads instead of giving them away (last night is another example) by taking time off during the 4th qtr we could have BOTH.

There are legitimately only 12 or so teams that the Cs should have to expend their "old guys" 35+ minutes per game in the league with an occasional "surprise", 2nd night of a back to back, or last game of a long roadie. However even in those cases more minutes can be given to Williams, Baby, Daniels, even Hudson and TA - the worst Doc would have to do is pull the old guys off the bench again if they can't hold or at least semi-hold the game for 10-15 minutes per. Unfortunately he always has to have a "binky" out there it seems (usually Ray, but sometimes Pierce) to be comfortable.



-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of asterix ninetynine
Sent: Monday, December 21, 2009 9:07 AM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Minnie Game

<Looking forward to Baby coming back and see what he can bring.?>

Whose minutes is he going to take?? Shelden William's or Kevin Garnett's? Some of both I'll wager.

When we get Baby back ( and Daniels after that) will Doc be able to integrate all these guys while still winning games so we get home court throughout the playoffs.? Home court is very important especially with the greatest fans around in Boston.? The old guys need their rest but not at the expense of losing games.

Doc has his work cut out for him.


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From: Jim Hill <jahillsr at comcast.net>
To: celtics at igtc.com
Sent: Sun, December 20, 2009 10:36:30 PM
Subject: Minnie Game

Well that was better tonight. The team really looked better tonight.? Still
sloppy a few times however.



Tony sure looked better. He had that one end-to-end rush with the pass for
the score which showed some solid court awareness.? The dunk on the House
"pass"? was also shades of Tony Past.? The big guns all played well.? Perk
looked super, Williams seems to be finding his role and aggressiveness on
the boards.? In all the second team seemed to play well together.? Hudson
needs to make those shots he missed tonight if he is going to stick.



On another note, Mike Gorman on the radio the other morning said Tommy felt
good about the chemistry of this team.? It shows.? Looking forward to Baby
coming back and see what he can bring.? 



Big Al looked good along with a couple guys that they may be able to build
around.? Wouldn't mind seeing him back in Boston one day.



<Jim

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From jahillsr at comcast.net  Mon Dec 21 16:35:25 2009
From: jahillsr at comcast.net (jahillsr at comcast.net)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:35:25 +0000
Subject: Minnie Game
Message-ID: <1322630321-1261413210-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-515929507-@bda561.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>


>Looking forward to Baby coming back and see what he can bring.

 >>Whose minutes is he going to take?  Shelden William's or Kevin Garnett's? Some of both I'll wager.
  
If it makes Williams work that much harder to earn court time, well that?s OK with me.  As far as taking time from Garnett, if these two guys can perform well enough then lowering Garnett?s minutes works for me.
  
>When we get Baby back ( and Daniels after that) will Doc be able to integrate all these guys while still winning games >so we get home court throughout the playoffs.  Home court is very important especially with the greatest fans around in >Boston.  The old guys need their rest but not at the expense of losing games.
  
Agreed.  They just can?t give (home)games away like with Philly if they want to be serious contenders.  Cut back on Garnett?s minutes and solidify the ?second? unit by playing guys based on who is the better match-up.  Also, I think they need to get Wallace to shut up AND play more post basketball.  We need to see more of that ?age and treachery vs. youth and skill? action out of him.  He needs to pick up fouls ON the other team, not get them himself.  Plus, he should be able to box most anyone out by knowing where to position himself.  
  
>Doc has his work cut out for him.
  
That is why he gets the big money.  It is a better problem to have to fit skilled players into the rotation then compensate for lesser skilled players.  IMO.

<Jim

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From douglas342 at aol.com  Wed Dec 23 20:01:41 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:01:41 -0500
Subject: Another win
Message-ID: <8CC5221E0FEE8FF-2704-2FF54@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com>

Y'know, I like this team.  Sure, I'd be happier if they didn't throw 
out the occasional clunker game, but the Pacer game showed me something 
good, that they were NOT going to let it happen again.  Perk was a 
monster, and Wallace seems to shine when he gets more time.  Any 
speculation on why Tony only got 10 minutes?  His steady play the last 
few games would seem to earn him more time than that.

I know House is a one-dimensional player, but when he's "on" in his 
dimension, he sure makes things exciting.   And oh, yeah - there was 
The Pass against Minnesota.


From davidp4660 at cox.net  Wed Dec 23 20:38:10 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:38:10 -0500
Subject: Another win
In-Reply-To: <8CC5221E0FEE8FF-2704-2FF54@webmail-m047.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20091223153810.0Y867.307660.imail@eastrmwml44>

That pass by House will be on my top 5 list of greatest plays in the NBA in my lifetime.  A deflection, a save, a behind the back perfect pass to Allen for a flush. It doesn't get better than that.
---- douglas342 at aol.com wrote: 
> Y'know, I like this team.  Sure, I'd be happier if they didn't throw 
> out the occasional clunker game, but the Pacer game showed me something 
> good, that they were NOT going to let it happen again.  Perk was a 
> monster, and Wallace seems to shine when he gets more time.  Any 
> speculation on why Tony only got 10 minutes?  His steady play the last 
> few games would seem to earn him more time than that.
> 
> I know House is a one-dimensional player, but when he's "on" in his 
> dimension, he sure makes things exciting.   And oh, yeah - there was 
> The Pass against Minnesota.
> 
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From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 23 21:13:03 2009
From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:13:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pierce out two weeks
Message-ID: <243330.24829.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Knee problem:? http://www.boston.com


      

From douglas342 at aol.com  Wed Dec 23 21:24:54 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:24:54 -0500
Subject: Pierce out two weeks
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Well, it could be worse - this doesn't sound structural, just medical.  
I hope.  The problem with knee and ankle injuries is that they prevent 
you from conditioning.  Guys like Davis with the thumb can run and do a 
lot of work and come back in good shape - if they want - but if your 
knee is out of action, so are you.


-----Original Message-----
From: asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>
To: celtics at igtc.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:13 pm
Subject: Pierce out two weeks


Knee problem:? http://www.boston.com



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From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 23 21:49:45 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:49:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: It's The End Of The Celtics As We Know It And I Feel Fine
Message-ID: <808701.99313.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

As I've frequently commented during this season, stick a fork in them, they're done, as presently constituted.

Meanwhile, the Lakers, despite having lost Gasol for a while and Kobe's broken hand, just keep cruising, and have the best record in the NBA.

The greatest Christmas gift, Wyc and Danny could give to Celtics fans would be an acquisition of Maggette and Randolph for the Celtics expirings. Maggette would be terrific insurance for Pierce, in case, this is the start of a long term degenerative condition, and Randolph can certainly give the club, 12 to 15 minutes of play per night.

Barring that, if Nate Robinson is bought out, he would be a nice low risk, high reward pick-up that would lend some scoring to a depleted Celtics bench.

The real question now, with both Pierce and Daniels out, will Ainge use the Scalabrines, Allens, & Houses to deal for a swing player?

Ray


      


From jeffclark at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 21:57:19 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 16:57:19 -0500
Subject: It's The End Of The Celtics As We Know It And I Feel Fine
In-Reply-To: <808701.99313.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <808701.99313.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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yawn

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:49 PM, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>wrote:

> As I've frequently commented during this season, stick a fork in them,
> they're done, as presently constituted.
>
> Meanwhile, the Lakers, despite having lost Gasol for a while and Kobe's
> broken hand, just keep cruising, and have the best record in the NBA.
>
> The greatest Christmas gift, Wyc and Danny could give to Celtics fans would
> be an acquisition of Maggette and Randolph for the Celtics expirings.
> Maggette would be terrific insurance for Pierce, in case, this is the start
> of a long term degenerative condition, and Randolph can certainly give the
> club, 12 to 15 minutes of play per night.
>
> Barring that, if Nate Robinson is bought out, he would be a nice low risk,
> high reward pick-up that would lend some scoring to a depleted Celtics
> bench.
>
> The real question now, with both Pierce and Daniels out, will Ainge use the
> Scalabrines, Allens, & Houses to deal for a swing player?
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 22:01:39 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:01:39 -0500
Subject: Pierce out two weeks
In-Reply-To: <8CC522D810F5877-4E58-BFBD@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>
References: <243330.24829.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<8CC522D810F5877-4E58-BFBD@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670912231401x692b6847lbdc1b76174f3d729@mail.gmail.com>

just a bump in the road

...unless of course they are lying again

maybe the team should take the month of April off to prepare for the
playoffs and heal up

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM, <douglas342 at aol.com> wrote:

> Well, it could be worse - this doesn't sound structural, just medical.  I
> hope.  The problem with knee and ankle injuries is that they prevent you
> from conditioning.  Guys like Davis with the thumb can run and do a lot of
> work and come back in good shape - if they want - but if your knee is out of
> action, so are you.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:13 pm
> Subject: Pierce out two weeks
>
>
> Knee problem:  http://www.boston.com
>
>
>
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From jozersky at optonline.net  Wed Dec 23 22:13:25 2009
From: jozersky at optonline.net (jozersky at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:13:25 +0000
Subject: It's The End Of The Celtics As We Know It And I Feel Fine
In-Reply-To: <808701.99313.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <808701.99313.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Go back in your hole. You only appear to gloat at our misfortune. I dread seeing your posts.
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:49:45 
To: Celtics Are Idiots List<celtics at igtc.com>; Celtics Stuff<celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: It's The End Of The Celtics As We Know It And I Feel Fine

As I've frequently commented during this season, stick a fork in them, they're done, as presently constituted.

Meanwhile, the Lakers, despite having lost Gasol for a while and Kobe's broken hand, just keep cruising, and have the best record in the NBA.

The greatest Christmas gift, Wyc and Danny could give to Celtics fans would be an acquisition of Maggette and Randolph for the Celtics expirings. Maggette would be terrific insurance for Pierce, in case, this is the start of a long term degenerative condition, and Randolph can certainly give the club, 12 to 15 minutes of play per night.

Barring that, if Nate Robinson is bought out, he would be a nice low risk, high reward pick-up that would lend some scoring to a depleted Celtics bench.

The real question now, with both Pierce and Daniels out, will Ainge use the Scalabrines, Allens, & Houses to deal for a swing player?

Ray


      

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From jlyell at verizon.net  Wed Dec 23 22:13:59 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:13:59 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Pierce out two weeks
In-Reply-To: <243330.24829.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <243330.24829.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <690472.32306.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

That?sucks. Have we heard anything on KG? Hopefully Baby will be back this weekend, Supposedly he is looking lighter

?I am going to the Clipper game sunday with my son, anyone else?

John

________________________________
From: asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>
To: celtics at igtc.com
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 1:13:03 PM
Subject: Pierce out two weeks

Knee problem:? http://www.boston.com


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From cecilw45 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 23 22:15:42 2009
From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:15:42 -0400
Subject: Pierce out two weeks
In-Reply-To: <84e131670912231401x692b6847lbdc1b76174f3d729@mail.gmail.com>
References: <243330.24829.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>,
	<8CC522D810F5877-4E58-BFBD@webmail-m059.sysops.aol.com>,
	<84e131670912231401x692b6847lbdc1b76174f3d729@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY128-W10DADF006D7EAB84C0A13AD9800@phx.gbl>


So PP should miss 6 games if all goes well:

 

Dec 25 @Magic

Dec 27 @Clippers

Dec 28 @Warriors

Dec 30 @Suns

Jan 2   vs Raptors

Jan 6   @Heat

 

And he will return just in time to face the Hawks in Atlanta on Jan 8.  Hopefully, they can take 3 or 4 of these games.  TA is playing pretty well and Baby should be back next week.  

 

Cecil

 


 
> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:01:39 -0500
> Subject: Re: Pierce out two weeks
> From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> 
> just a bump in the road
> 
> ...unless of course they are lying again
> 
> maybe the team should take the month of April off to prepare for the
> playoffs and heal up
> 
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM, <douglas342 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > Well, it could be worse - this doesn't sound structural, just medical. I
> > hope. The problem with knee and ankle injuries is that they prevent you
> > from conditioning. Guys like Davis with the thumb can run and do a lot of
> > work and come back in good shape - if they want - but if your knee is out of
> > action, so are you.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:13 pm
> > Subject: Pierce out two weeks
> >
> >
> > Knee problem: http://www.boston.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Wed Dec 23 22:16:25 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 14:16:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Another win
In-Reply-To: <20091223153810.0Y867.307660.imail@eastrmwml44>
References: <20091223153810.0Y867.307660.imail@eastrmwml44>
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I? thought it was odd Sheldon didn't get any time when Murphy was cleaning up on the boards. They were hitting everything in the first half, you knew it wouldn't continue.




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Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 12:38:10 PM
Subject: Re: Another win

That pass by House will be on my top 5 list of greatest plays in the NBA in my lifetime.? A deflection, a save, a behind the back perfect pass to Allen for a flush. It doesn't get better than that.
---- douglas342 at aol.com wrote: 
> Y'know, I like this team.? Sure, I'd be happier if they didn't throw 
> out the occasional clunker game, but the Pacer game showed me something 
> good, that they were NOT going to let it happen again.? Perk was a 
> monster, and Wallace seems to shine when he gets more time.? Any 
> speculation on why Tony only got 10 minutes?? His steady play the last 
> few games would seem to earn him more time than that.
> 
> I know House is a one-dimensional player, but when he's "on" in his 
> dimension, he sure makes things exciting.? And oh, yeah - there was 
> The Pass against Minnesota.
> 
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Wed Dec 23 22:28:01 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:28:01 -0500
Subject: Pierce out two weeks
In-Reply-To: <84e131670912231401x692b6847lbdc1b76174f3d729@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091223172801.DX7QV.309221.imail@eastrmwml44>

Pierce certainly couldn't have hurted that badly in last night's 4th quarter.  He's the main reason they pulled it off.
---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote: 
> just a bump in the road
> 
> ...unless of course they are lying again
> 
> maybe the team should take the month of April off to prepare for the
> playoffs and heal up
> 
> On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 4:24 PM, <douglas342 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> > Well, it could be worse - this doesn't sound structural, just medical.  I
> > hope.  The problem with knee and ankle injuries is that they prevent you
> > from conditioning.  Guys like Davis with the thumb can run and do a lot of
> > work and come back in good shape - if they want - but if your knee is out of
> > action, so are you.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 1:13 pm
> > Subject: Pierce out two weeks
> >
> >
> > Knee problem:  http://www.boston.com
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
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> 
> 
> 
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Wed Dec 23 22:29:47 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:29:47 -0500
Subject: It's The End Of The Celtics As We Know It And I Feel Fine
In-Reply-To: <851160108-1261606072-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1048817595-@bda151.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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Fortunately, the rest of the Fellowship of the Miserable are on sabbaticals-permantely, I hope.
---- jozersky at optonline.net wrote: 
> Go back in your hole. You only appear to gloat at our misfortune. I dread seeing your posts.
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 13:49:45 
> To: Celtics Are Idiots List<celtics at igtc.com>; Celtics Stuff<celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: It's The End Of The Celtics As We Know It And I Feel Fine
> 
> As I've frequently commented during this season, stick a fork in them, they're done, as presently constituted.
> 
> Meanwhile, the Lakers, despite having lost Gasol for a while and Kobe's broken hand, just keep cruising, and have the best record in the NBA.
> 
> The greatest Christmas gift, Wyc and Danny could give to Celtics fans would be an acquisition of Maggette and Randolph for the Celtics expirings. Maggette would be terrific insurance for Pierce, in case, this is the start of a long term degenerative condition, and Randolph can certainly give the club, 12 to 15 minutes of play per night.
> 
> Barring that, if Nate Robinson is bought out, he would be a nice low risk, high reward pick-up that would lend some scoring to a depleted Celtics bench.
> 
> The real question now, with both Pierce and Daniels out, will Ainge use the Scalabrines, Allens, & Houses to deal for a swing player?
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
>       
> 
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From douglas342 at aol.com  Wed Dec 23 23:22:36 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:22:36 -0500
Subject: Pierce out two weeks
In-Reply-To: <690472.32306.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <243330.24829.qm@web65503.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<690472.32306.qm@web84008.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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I gave up my share of Clipper season seats this year after 12 years.  
Oh well...


-----Original Message-----
From: John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net>
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: Pierce out two weeks


That?sucks. Have we heard anything on KG? Hopefully Baby will be back 
this
weekend, Supposedly he is looking lighter

?I am going to the Clipper game sunday with my son, anyone else?

John

________________________________
From: asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>
To: celtics at igtc.com
Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 1:13:03 PM
Subject: Pierce out two weeks

Knee problem:? http://www.boston.com


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From callmebogie at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 23 23:57:16 2009
From: callmebogie at yahoo.com (Michael Gooen)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 15:57:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 277
In-Reply-To: <mailman.418.1261606101.2156.celtics@igtc.com>
Message-ID: <916329.6659.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Our old friend Ray posited:  

<<Maggette would be terrific insurance for Pierce, in case, this is the start of a long term degenerative condition>>

Ray's trade ideas are a long term degenerative condition.  Since some may have forgotten the immortal Ernest Brown, let's just recall three little words:  "MARBURY MARBURY MARBURY."

Michael Gooen


      


From douglas342 at aol.com  Thu Dec 24 04:35:25 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 23:35:25 -0500
Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 277
In-Reply-To: <916329.6659.qm@web56806.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC5269A5B21B98-343C-1873F@webmail-d068.sysops.aol.com>

It's 12/23 and I'm bored (and have had a few Moretti Rossas), so I ask, 
"Was the Marbury signing (a) a disaster, (b) an OK/reasonable call, or 
(c) a good call that, had Garnett not been hurt, might have been a 
great call?"


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Gooen <callmebogie at yahoo.com>
To: celtics at igtc.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 277


Our old friend Ray posited:

<<Maggette would be terrific insurance for Pierce, in case, this is the 
start of
a long term degenerative condition>>

Ray's trade ideas are a long term degenerative condition. Since some 
may have
forgotten the immortal Ernest Brown, let's just recall three little 
words:
"MARBURY MARBURY MARBURY."

Michael Gooen




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From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Thu Dec 24 06:04:06 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:04:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: I'll bite
Message-ID: <979613.4452.qm@web110113.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The Marbury signing was certainly not a disaster. He was, probably by far, the best backcourt option Ainge could have acquired without trading a key piece. As with Mikki Moore, it's hard to say just how it might have turned out had KG not gotten hurt; clearly, Steph wasn't able/willing to shoulder the offensive load, but he was not the reason Boston didn't repeat. I still blame Ainge for keeping Pruitt around all season instead of trying to find a replacement for Posey.


      


From jlyell at verizon.net  Thu Dec 24 15:42:40 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 15:42:40 +0000
Subject: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 277
Message-ID: <515409851-1261669359-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1677406992-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Worth a try. Minimum risk with reasonable reward potential. he just wasn't where he could have been
------Original Message------
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Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
To: Celtics
ReplyTo: Celtics
Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 277
Sent: Dec 23, 2009 8:35 PM

It's 12/23 and I'm bored (and have had a few Moretti Rossas), so I ask, 
"Was the Marbury signing (a) a disaster, (b) an OK/reasonable call, or 
(c) a good call that, had Garnett not been hurt, might have been a 
great call?"


-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Gooen <callmebogie at yahoo.com>
To: celtics at igtc.com
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2009 3:57 pm
Subject: Re: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 277


Our old friend Ray posited:

<<Maggette would be terrific insurance for Pierce, in case, this is the 
start of
a long term degenerative condition>>

Ray's trade ideas are a long term degenerative condition. Since some 
may have
forgotten the immortal Ernest Brown, let's just recall three little 
words:
"MARBURY MARBURY MARBURY."

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From snoopy at celticsbeagle.net  Fri Dec 25 01:44:40 2009
From: snoopy at celticsbeagle.net (Snoopy the Celtics Beagle)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 20:44:40 -0500
Subject: All-Purpose Holiday Wishes
Message-ID: <20091225014508.36A1AE1C089@ignite.igtc.com>

To everyone, in whatever manner you celebrate this time of year (and 
those who don't)...

Here's hoping this time brings you peace, quiet and renewed sense of 
optimism for the coming year.

Now someone pass the cookies, I'm hungry.  :)


From BDodgers at aol.com  Fri Dec 25 02:28:43 2009
From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:28:43 EST
Subject: 5-on-5: Celtics-Magic on Christmas
Message-ID: <d4a.62f7e441.38657d5b@aol.com>

 
5-on-5: Celtics-Magic on Christmas
 

ESPN.com

ESPN and ABC are serving up a five-course banquet of basketball on 
Christmas  Day: Heat-Knicks, ESPN, 12 ET; Celtics-Magic, ABC, 2:30 ET; Cavs-Lakers, 
ABC, 5  ET; Clippers-Suns, ESPN, 8 ET; and Nuggets-Blazers, ESPN, 10:30 ET.  
For this quintuple-header, we're playing 5-on-5: That's five writers on 
five  questions on five games on Christmas Day. 
 
 
  
1. Whom would you rather have for the next 10 years:
Rondo  or D12? 




Henry Abbott, TrueHoop: 100 percent Rajon Rondo if you're talking  about 
the rap group D12. But in the event you're talking about the strongest man  
and best defender in the NBA who is virtually unstoppable when he catches it  
around the rim, I'll take Dwight Howard. Size matters in this league. 
Chris Broussard, ESPN The Magazine: Are you serious? I am a huge Rondo  fan 
and think he's a perennial All-Star in the making, but this isn't even  
close. Dwight Howard is the best big man in the league, and he's still about  
only 65 percent of the player he can be. He pretty much makes you a playoff 
team  by himself. Rondo, as good as he is, doesn't. 
John Hollinger, ESPN.com: Howard. Guards, especially fast ones who  
struggle shooting like Rondo, tend to peak in their early-to-mid 20s and lose a  
lot of their value by the time they get into their 30s. Bigs don't have that  
problem, because no matter how old they get, they're still big. 
Additionally,  Howard is already a much better player than Rondo.  
Chris Sheridan, ESPN.com: I'll go with the big fella on this one, as  much 
as I admire Rondo's game. There are only two or three big men in the NBA  
who can be as dominant on a nightly basis as Howard, and it's impossible to  
trade for one (unless you are Mitch Kupchak).  
Marc Stein, ESPN.com: I like Rondo even more than the Celtics do, but  the 
tie pretty much always goes to the 7-footer with me. Especially when the  
7-footer can do as much damage as Howard. 
 
 
  
2. Whose Big Three is better right now? 




Abbott: At their best, both teams actually have Big Fours, with Rondo  and 
Jameer Nelson (when he's healthy). Boston's is the best in the whole NBA  
until proven otherwise.  
Broussard: Boston's. Mainly because the Celtics have proved they have  not 
only the ability but also the mental toughness and fortitude to win a  
title. 
Hollinger: A better question might be, "Who is Boston's Big Three?" I  
believe Rondo has supplanted Ray Allen. Regardless, I'd have to take Boston's  
because it's defending so much better than the Magic. Orlando was the 
league's  top-rated defense a season ago but has slipped to 12th this season; it's  
indicative of a general malaise that's infected the Magic in the early part 
of  the season. 
Sheridan: Boston's. (And for the record, I believe Rondo has replaced  Ray 
Allen in the Celtics' Big Three.) The deciding factor? Accomplishments. And  
the fact that, in my humble opinion, Vince Carter peaked as a player nine 
years  ago at the Sydney Olympics. 
Stein: I'm a big experience/continuity guy. And Boston's star trio  have 
the edges there. My preference is always to assume (or at least hope for)  
good health, and Kevin Garnett and Paul Pierce especially -- when healthy -- 
are  the most proven commodities in this conversation. So Boston's threesome 
is the  choice. 
 
 
  
3. Better bench: Magic or  Celtics?




Abbott: The Magic are deeper. Ryan Anderson can really play and, as a  
shooter, fits their system perfectly. Marcin Gortat could start for most teams,  
J.J. Redick has his moments, Matt Barnes and Jason Williams could both 
start,  Brandon Bass provides some shot-blocking and muscle and sometimes even 
noted  defender Mickael Pietrus comes off the bench. 
Broussard: This is a tough one, but I'll go with Boston, again largely  
because the C's have proved they have what it takes to excel in big moments.  
Hollinger: Magic, hands down. Boston's bravado about having a better  bench 
than its championship team now looks ridiculous -- Eddie House, Tony Allen  
and Brian Scalabrine are the same, and although Rasheed Wallace is an 
upgrade  over P.J. Brown, there's no James Posey, no Leon Powe and (for now) no 
Glen  Davis. Meanwhile, Orlando's bench basically carried it through the 
first third  of the season.  
Sheridan: Magic. Gortat, Bass and Anderson would be starters on half  the 
teams in the NBA, J-Will and Anthony Johnson are battle-tested and Redick is  
better and tougher than people think. Boston? Sheed and a healthy Glen 
Davis are  pluses, but Marquis Daniels has been so-so at best, and Eddie House 
always runs  too hot and cold. Not much else there. 
Stein: Orlando has the best bench in the league. The Magic have an  
astounding 12 guys who legitimately deserve NBA minutes. No one else in the NBA  
has that kind of depth. 
 
 
  
4. Your take on Orlando's Hedo-out, Vince-in maneuver? 




Abbott: It's early yet, but so far, so mediocre. The best play the  Magic 
had was Hedo and Dwight in the pick-and-roll. Now that's gone. And the  
defense isn't as good anymore, which may nor may not be related. 
Broussard: Carter is a better player, but Turkoglu was a better fit in  
Orlando. The Magic are more versatile this season, but they're no longer the  
matchup nightmare they were for so many clubs, particularly Cleveland. But  
honestly, we won't have the final verdict on this move until the postseason. 
Hollinger: Unless you're going to argue that Hedo was a vital cog in  the 
defense, I don't see how you can argue against it. Turkoglu had a poor  
regular season in '08-09 and hasn't been any better in Toronto; how much stock  
are we supposed to put in a two-week stretch in May, as impressive as it was? 
 
Sheridan: I thought Hedo was a better fit, and the Magic should have  found 
a way to keep him. (Lowballing him with their initial offer wasn't the way  
to go.) Let's see how Carter handles it when the ball goes through him in 
April  and May. 
Stein: Vince isn't the playmaker Hedo is, true, but still does damage  in a 
variety of ways. And by spending on Gortat and Bass instead of using that  
money to bring back Hedo, Orlando has lots of options at two key frontcourt  
spots and desirable trade pieces to make another deal if needed. The  
positives far outweigh the negatives. 
 
 
  
5. If they meet again in May, who will win? 




Abbott: Boston is back to being the best defensive team in the league,  a 
title it has wrestled from the Magic, who are just barely clinging to the top 
 10. So far this season, the Celtics are the best team in the league. 
Broussard: Celtics win. Mentally tougher.  
Hollinger: Orlando. Despite the Magic's injuries and inconsistency,  they 
won the first meeting. Although Boston is playing better right now, I still  
think the Magic will have more weapons in May. Plus, they'll be in a better  
position to compete with a full season of playing together under the belt.  
Sheridan: If we have both teams at full strength, I see the series  going 
seven games and the Celtics winning -- whether at home or on the road.  I'll 
also predict Paul Pierce as the MVP of that series. 
Stein: I really do see Orlando as the most  complete team residing in the 
East's top three, but _Rasheed Wallace_ 
(http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=883)  tormented Howard as a Piston and  suddenly would 
have the help of KG and Kendrick Perkins if the Celts are healthy  at playoff 
time. That makes it hard to pick the Magic in a Boston-Orlando  series, as 
much as I want to.

From bdodgers at aol.com  Fri Dec 25 22:48:31 2009
From: bdodgers at aol.com (bdodgers at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 17:48:31 EST
Subject: Van Gundy dislikes games on Christmas
Message-ID: <5290.76812fd6.38669b3f@aol.com>

 
Van Gundy dislikes games on Christmas
ORLANDO, Fla. -- Stan Van Gundy has  a request for the NBA: no more games 
on Christmas.
"I actually feel sorry for people who have nothing  to do on Christmas Day 
other than watch an NBA game," the _Orlando Magic_ 
(http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=orl)  coach said. 
The Magic were playing _Boston_ 
(http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos)  on Friday, one of five NBA games on  Christmas. 
Van Gundy said he understands the high-priced TV contracts generate money 
for  the league and it would be difficult to stop such games. He said he 
wishes the  league at the very least had fewer games on the holidays. 
The Magic play games on Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's Day this  
season. 
"I think we get a little carried away with ourselves with sports thinking  
we're more important than everything else," Van Gundy said before the game. 
"But  that's the way it is. There's nothing more important than the NBA on 
Christmas  Day." 
Van Gundy believes the day is best spent with family. He woke up early but  
managed to spend only about 15 minutes with his wife and four children. 
They  went to church services the day before. 
Van Gundy said he hadn't even had a chance to open his family's gifts 
before  the 2:30 p.m. ET tipoff. 
The only time he could recall watching a Christmas Day game was when his  
brother, Jeff, was coaching one of them. Van Gundy also said he doesn't watch 
 NFL games on Thanksgiving. 
"Christmas to me, obviously basketball is very important to me, but there 
are  some days of the year where it's got to take a back seat to something," 
he  said. 
Celtics coach Doc Rivers wasn't quite as adamant, but he didn't disagree. 
Rivers said it's tough for players to be away from family, but he realizes  
the league is not going to stop playing on the holidays. Rivers lives in 
the  Orlando area and was able to wake up Christmas morning in his own bed. 
He said he always watched Christmas Day games growing up because the league 
 features the marquee teams. 
"As a kid, you wanted to be on [Christmas]," Rivers said. "Then when you 
get  to the league, you don't want to be on any more. You're like, 'No, I 
changed my  mind.' But it's going to happen, so why try to fight it? I tend to 
look at it as  a reward." 
Van Gundy is doing what he can to give his team a break. 
He gave the players consecutive days off for the first time this season for 
 the upcoming weekend. The Magic's schedule -- with travel days and all -- 
hasn't  allowed for a break, he said. 
"The league has been good to all of us in terms of what we get out of all  
these TV contracts and everything, so it would be a little disingenuous to  
complain too much," Van Gundy said. "But if I had my way, we'd take a 
five-day  break at Christmas. I mean it."  

Copyright 2009 by The Associated  Press

From douglas342 at aol.com  Fri Dec 25 23:24:13 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 18:24:13 -0500
Subject: a nice gift
Message-ID: <8CC53D0814528ED-6CC4-153D1@webmail-m099.sysops.aol.com>

I really wasn't expecting a win in this one. The Cs had lost to Orlando 
in Boston. Pierce is out. Garnett had missed a game. What a nice 
surprise: Rondo was a beast; Perk played well when not on the bench. 
Tony Allen was solid - I think I saw one bonehead play, if that. And 
they do this with minimal input from Garnett and virtually nothing from 
Ray in the first half. And we had a Baby sighting - rusty, but looking 
tough!

Any time you win without one of your starters, that's good. On the road 
is better. On the road against quality opposition is better yet!

Now if I can just stay away from The Real Game of the Day. We know 
Christmas is about the coming of Jesus, but in this day and age it's 
about the coming of Kobe and Lebron. Barf. 


From jlyell at verizon.net  Sat Dec 26 01:20:10 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:20:10 +0000
Subject: a nice gift
Message-ID: <1128765726-1261790408-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-800465082-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

A solid team game. defense played real well. Tony stepped it up in pauls absence. Good to see the lakers get beat at home also. 

Hopefully kg is ok. 


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I really wasn't expecting a win in this one. The Cs had lost to Orlando 
in Boston. Pierce is out. Garnett had missed a game. What a nice 
surprise: Rondo was a beast; Perk played well when not on the bench. 
Tony Allen was solid - I think I saw one bonehead play, if that. And 
they do this with minimal input from Garnett and virtually nothing from 
Ray in the first half. And we had a Baby sighting - rusty, but looking 
tough!

Any time you win without one of your starters, that's good. On the road 
is better. On the road against quality opposition is better yet!

Now if I can just stay away from The Real Game of the Day. We know 
Christmas is about the coming of Jesus, but in this day and age it's 
about the coming of Kobe and Lebron. Barf. 

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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec 26 01:36:11 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 20:36:11 -0500
Subject: a nice gift
In-Reply-To: <1128765726-1261790408-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-800465082-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
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I agree completely.  Boston played with a depleted bench, one being Pierce, and they took one away from a good Orlando team.  And it's always sweet beating Kobe.  I have a question, though.  Hey, Way of the Ray, the next time you say "stick a fork in them, they're done", you better check your fork and see if it's retractable or made of rubber.  Seems to me the Celtics are the toughest team in the league now, and they proved they can win without their star player.  This must have ruined your  Christmas, especially as those Lakers keep cruising along (shit, they got beat at at home and were literally embarassed- and basically, Kobe laid an egg Christmas day. ) Thank you Jesus.
---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote: 
> A solid team game. defense played real well. Tony stepped it up in pauls absence. Good to see the lakers get beat at home also. 
> 
> Hopefully kg is ok. 
> 
> 
> ------Original Message------
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> 
> I really wasn't expecting a win in this one. The Cs had lost to Orlando 
> in Boston. Pierce is out. Garnett had missed a game. What a nice 
> surprise: Rondo was a beast; Perk played well when not on the bench. 
> Tony Allen was solid - I think I saw one bonehead play, if that. And 
> they do this with minimal input from Garnett and virtually nothing from 
> Ray in the first half. And we had a Baby sighting - rusty, but looking 
> tough!
> 
> Any time you win without one of your starters, that's good. On the road 
> is better. On the road against quality opposition is better yet!
> 
> Now if I can just stay away from The Real Game of the Day. We know 
> Christmas is about the coming of Jesus, but in this day and age it's 
> about the coming of Kobe and Lebron. Barf. 
> 
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From cecilw45 at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 26 02:33:40 2009
From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright )
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:33:40 +0000
Subject: a nice gift
Message-ID: <BAY128-DS4B5E21409BCA50A875CA5D97D0@phx.gbl>

And how is Rondope playing?

Cecil


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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:36:11 
To: <celtics at igtc.com>; <jlyell at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: a nice gift

I agree completely.? Boston played with a depleted bench, one being Pierce, and they took one away from a good Orlando team.? And it's always sweet beating Kobe.? I have a question, though.? Hey, Way of the Ray, the next time you say "stick a fork in them, they're done", you better check your fork and see if it's retractable or made of rubber.? Seems to me the Celtics are the toughest team in the league now, and they proved they can win without their star player.? This must have ruined your? Christmas, especially as those Lakers keep cruising along (shit, they got beat at at home and were literally embarassed- and basically, Kobe laid an egg Christmas day. ) Thank you Jesus.
 ---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote: 
 > A solid team game. defense played real well. Tony stepped it up in pauls absence. Good to see the lakers get beat at home also. 
 > 
 > Hopefully kg is ok. 
 > 
 > 
 > ------Original Message------
 > From: douglas342 at aol.com
 > Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
 > To: Celtics
 > ReplyTo: Celtics
 > Subject: a nice gift
 > Sent: Dec 25, 2009 3:24 PM
 > 
 > I really wasn't expecting a win in this one. The Cs had lost to Orlando 
 > in Boston. Pierce is out. Garnett had missed a game. What a nice 
 > surprise: Rondo was a beast; Perk played well when not on the bench. 
 > Tony Allen was solid - I think I saw one bonehead play, if that. And 
 > they do this with minimal input from Garnett and virtually nothing from 
 > Ray in the first half. And we had a Baby sighting - rusty, but looking 
 > tough!
 > 
 > Any time you win without one of your starters, that's good. On the road 
 > is better. On the road against quality opposition is better yet!
 > 
 > Now if I can just stay away from The Real Game of the Day. We know 
 > Christmas is about the coming of Jesus, but in this day and age it's 
 > about the coming of Kobe and Lebron. Barf. 
 > 
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From douglas342 at aol.com  Sat Dec 26 07:52:12 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 02:52:12 -0500
Subject: a nice gift
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-DS4B5E21409BCA50A875CA5D97D0@phx.gbl>
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Obviously they're showcasing Rondo. And Ray. And Perk. And Garnett.


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Subject: Re: a nice gift


And how is Rondope playing?

Cecil


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-----Original Message-----
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Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:36:11
To: <celtics at igtc.com>; <jlyell at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: a nice gift

I agree completely.? Boston played with a depleted bench, one being 
Pierce, and
they took one away from a good Orlando team.? And it's always sweet 
beating
Kobe.? I have a question, though.? Hey, Way of the Ray, the next time 
you say
"stick a fork in them, they're done", you better check your fork and 
see if it's
retractable or made of rubber.? Seems to me the Celtics are the 
toughest team in
the league now, and they proved they can win without their star 
player.? This
must have ruined your? Christmas, especially as those Lakers keep 
cruising along
(shit, they got beat at at home and were literally embarassed- and 
basically,
Kobe laid an egg Christmas day. ) Thank you Jesus.
---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote:
> A solid team game. defense played real well. Tony stepped it up in 
pauls
absence. Good to see the lakers get beat at home also.
>
> Hopefully kg is ok.
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: douglas342 at aol.com
> Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> To: Celtics
> ReplyTo: Celtics
> Subject: a nice gift
> Sent: Dec 25, 2009 3:24 PM
>
> I really wasn't expecting a win in this one. The Cs had lost to 
Orlando
> in Boston. Pierce is out. Garnett had missed a game. What a nice
> surprise: Rondo was a beast; Perk played well when not on the bench.
> Tony Allen was solid - I think I saw one bonehead play, if that. And
> they do this with minimal input from Garnett and virtually nothing 
from
> Ray in the first half. And we had a Baby sighting - rusty, but 
looking
> tough!
>
> Any time you win without one of your starters, that's good. On the 
road
> is better. On the road against quality opposition is better yet!
>
> Now if I can just stay away from The Real Game of the Day. We know
> Christmas is about the coming of Jesus, but in this day and age it's
> about the coming of Kobe and Lebron. Barf.
>
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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 26 14:59:39 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 06:59:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Loved it!
Message-ID: <738444.19233.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

I loved watching that game! ?RONDO (didn't check box, seemed like he played 48 minutes), Tony Allen & Rasheed Wallace were fantastic. ? Without Pierce, we were spared the Pierce/Vince Carter mano a mano. ? The refs drove me nuts, esp at the beginning - c'mon - calling TWO ticky-tack fouls on Perk in the first 2 minutes. ?Ugh, ugh, ugh.
But Wallace really was terrific yesterday. Great hands - nice tips and no-doubt-about-it rebounds all over the place. ?Loved seeing him in the paint - he is truly an all-star in there. Nice to see Glen Davis for a few minutes. ?Ray Allen MIA until the 4th quarter, and had a few of those take it up yourself and chuck up a miss plays that I hate. ? I thought Garnett looked stiff for much of the game, but he did shut down Lewis. ?
Tony Allen played within his game -didn't try to bring the ball up and mostly drove to the basket. He and Rondo finally got it going together - keep that up for the next five games and we look really good heading into the second half of the season. Will work Davis back into the rotation (he looks slimmer). ?I love having Tony start so we get good D on the opposing wing. ?Would love to see him against Bryant and LeBron, for example. ?And, he was hitting his FTs.
Rondo looked great in his red sneakers and headband, and led the team to this win. ?Just a great force of nature.
I also appreciate hearing Hubie Brown comment on a game. ?He is just so knowledgable - I always learn a lot listening to him. ?
II thought Doc coached a great game yesterday, too. ?Other than maybe too much Scal and not enough Shelden Williams, I agreed with his substitutions.
Really, really nice win - congrats, guys!
Ellie


      

From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 26 16:05:20 2009
From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 08:05:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: a nice gift
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After the game LeBron said that his team stepped up and beat the "best team in league"

I hope that Doc puts that quote on the bulletin board.




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Sent: Fri, December 25, 2009 6:24:13 PM
Subject: a nice gift

I really wasn't expecting a win in this one. The Cs had lost to Orlando in Boston. Pierce is out. Garnett had missed a game. What a nice surprise: Rondo was a beast; Perk played well when not on the bench. Tony Allen was solid - I think I saw one bonehead play, if that. And they do this with minimal input from Garnett and virtually nothing from Ray in the first half. And we had a Baby sighting - rusty, but looking tough!

Any time you win without one of your starters, that's good. On the road is better. On the road against quality opposition is better yet!

Now if I can just stay away from The Real Game of the Day. We know Christmas is about the coming of Jesus, but in this day and age it's about the coming of Kobe and Lebron. Barf. 
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Sat Dec 26 17:04:12 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 12:04:12 -0500
Subject: a nice gift
In-Reply-To: <8CC5417780BD508-315C-2AE2@webmail-m054.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <20091226120412.L8VJB.329746.imail@eastrmwml45>

Right now, he's the best point guard in the East.  That was even mentioned on the broadacast yesterday.  Guess they don't need CP3 after all.
---- douglas342 at aol.com wrote: 
> Obviously they're showcasing Rondo. And Ray. And Perk. And Garnett.


-----Original Message-----
From: Cecil Wright <cecilw45 at hotmail.com>
To: davidp4660 at cox.net <davidp4660 at cox.net>; celtics at igtc.com 
<celtics at igtc.com>; jlyell at verizon.net <jlyell at verizon.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 25, 2009 6:33 pm
Subject: Re: a nice gift


And how is Rondope playing?

Cecil


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-----Original Message-----
From: davidp4660 at cox.net
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2009 01:36:11
To: <celtics at igtc.com>; <jlyell at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: a nice gift

I agree completely.? Boston played with a depleted bench, one being 
Pierce, and
they took one away from a good Orlando team.? And it's always sweet 
beating
Kobe.? I have a question, though.? Hey, Way of the Ray, the next time 
you say
"stick a fork in them, they're done", you better check your fork and 
see if it's
retractable or made of rubber.? Seems to me the Celtics are the 
toughest team in
the league now, and they proved they can win without their star 
player.? This
must have ruined your? Christmas, especially as those Lakers keep 
cruising along
(shit, they got beat at at home and were literally embarassed- and 
basically,
Kobe laid an egg Christmas day. ) Thank you Jesus.
---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote:
> A solid team game. defense played real well. Tony stepped it up in 
pauls
absence. Good to see the lakers get beat at home also.
>
> Hopefully kg is ok.
>
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: douglas342 at aol.com
> Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> To: Celtics
> ReplyTo: Celtics
> Subject: a nice gift
> Sent: Dec 25, 2009 3:24 PM
>
> I really wasn't expecting a win in this one. The Cs had lost to 
Orlando
> in Boston. Pierce is out. Garnett had missed a game. What a nice
> surprise: Rondo was a beast; Perk played well when not on the bench.
> Tony Allen was solid - I think I saw one bonehead play, if that. And
> they do this with minimal input from Garnett and virtually nothing 
from
> Ray in the first half. And we had a Baby sighting - rusty, but 
looking
> tough!
>
> Any time you win without one of your starters, that's good. On the 
road
> is better. On the road against quality opposition is better yet!
>
> Now if I can just stay away from The Real Game of the Day. We know
> Christmas is about the coming of Jesus, but in this day and age it's
> about the coming of Kobe and Lebron. Barf.
>
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From awbecb at att.net  Mon Dec 28 03:54:26 2009
From: awbecb at att.net (Alden Brosseau)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2009 19:54:26 -0800
Subject: House
In-Reply-To: <mailman.418.1261606101.2156.celtics@igtc.com>
References: <mailman.418.1261606101.2156.celtics@igtc.com>
Message-ID: <83DED417AB3045D6820779753CFC2BE7@Alden>

What's with Eddie?
Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would suggest?  Or does he make up for it with defense?

Alden

From tsb33 at windstream.net  Mon Dec 28 05:39:55 2009
From: tsb33 at windstream.net (TroySusieBrady)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:39:55 -0500
Subject: House
In-Reply-To: <83DED417AB3045D6820779753CFC2BE7@Alden>
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	<83DED417AB3045D6820779753CFC2BE7@Alden>
Message-ID: <00fc01ca8780$301f4600$6401a8c0@troyscomputer>

Worse!  He can't guard a fence post!!  He single handedly brings the offense
to a screetching halt.  That said, Doc let him stay in in the 4th until
under the 5 minute mark with Rondo on the bench.  Danny MUST address the no
back up point guard situation.  He has Giddens', Scals' and Houses' expiring
deals to get something done, anything!!  House being shipped is addition by
subtraction.  As many of the opposing team's tv commentators have noted,
House is a great shooter when you are up 10, but I don't want him on the
court during a close game.

On a positive note, this TA hater will admit TA is playing well, not making
bone head moves.  With him & Daniels, I think our wing situation is good for
the 2nd half.  New years resolution,  GET US A FREAKIN BACK UP PG!!  Troy

-----Original Message-----
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Of Alden Brosseau
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:54 PM
To: celtics at igtc.com
Subject: House

What's with Eddie?
Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would suggest?  Or does he make
up for it with defense?

Alden
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Mon Dec 28 06:44:26 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 06:44:26 +0000
Subject: House
Message-ID: <1684087210-1261982667-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1450370165-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Just got back from the game. Doc lost this one. Kaman schooled Perkins. Way called for a move for kaman earlier in the year. Everyone laughed but he is way beerwe than perk. . He should have had Wallace play him more.  they should went in to kg on Jordan. When you get only 25 out of ray and kg you won't win much. tony and rondo have no perimeter scoring ability. Baron and Gordon drove  at ease. Better be ready for GS.
------Original Message------
From: TroySusieBrady
Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
To: Celtics
ReplyTo: Celtics
Subject: RE: House
Sent: Dec 27, 2009 9:39 PM

Worse!  He can't guard a fence post!!  He single handedly brings the offense
to a screetching halt.  That said, Doc let him stay in in the 4th until
under the 5 minute mark with Rondo on the bench.  Danny MUST address the no
back up point guard situation.  He has Giddens', Scals' and Houses' expiring
deals to get something done, anything!!  House being shipped is addition by
subtraction.  As many of the opposing team's tv commentators have noted,
House is a great shooter when you are up 10, but I don't want him on the
court during a close game.

On a positive note, this TA hater will admit TA is playing well, not making
bone head moves.  With him & Daniels, I think our wing situation is good for
the 2nd half.  New years resolution,  GET US A FREAKIN BACK UP PG!!  Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
Of Alden Brosseau
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:54 PM
To: celtics at igtc.com
Subject: House

What's with Eddie?
Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would suggest?  Or does he make
up for it with defense?

Alden
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From pdelevett at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 28 08:36:11 2009
From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:36:11 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Did Shelden sleep with Doc's wife or something?
Message-ID: <332011.16846.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

What is up with this guy's virtual disappearance from the lineup? And with KG playing hurt, no less?


      


From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 28 15:26:07 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:26:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Did Shelden sleep with Doc's wife or something?
In-Reply-To: <332011.16846.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <211696.85062.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

LOL!
have been wondering that myself. Esp. w/Chris Kaman doing whatever he wanted in the paint last night. ? ?Nice to see Bill Walker back in a Cs uni.
Too many instances of Ray playing selfish ball. And the D on Kaman (Wallace, KG?) was out of position more often than not.?
Loved seeing Glen Davis back in there boxing out and grabbing offensive rebounds.
Ellie

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
Subject: Did Shelden sleep with Doc's wife or something?
To: celtics at igtc.com
Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 3:36 AM

What is up with this guy's virtual disappearance from the lineup? And with KG playing hurt, no less?


? ? ? 

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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 28 15:37:42 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:37:42 -0800 (PST)
Subject: House
In-Reply-To: <00fc01ca8780$301f4600$6401a8c0@troyscomputer>
Message-ID: <530646.99256.qm@web63104.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

If he subbed Hudson for Rondo in the final 30 seconds, we get 2 free throws! ?Gotta have shooters out there, otherwise it's hack-a-rondo. ?And Hudson can shoot. ?That said, gotta give kudos to Baron Davis - that was a hell of a shot.
Ellie

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net> wrote:

From: TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net>
Subject: RE: House
To: "'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 12:39 AM

Worse!? He can't guard a fence post!!? He single handedly brings the offense
to a screetching halt.? That said, Doc let him stay in in the 4th until
under the 5 minute mark with Rondo on the bench.? Danny MUST address the no
back up point guard situation.? He has Giddens', Scals' and Houses' expiring
deals to get something done, anything!!? House being shipped is addition by
subtraction.? As many of the opposing team's tv commentators have noted,
House is a great shooter when you are up 10, but I don't want him on the
court during a close game.

On a positive note, this TA hater will admit TA is playing well, not making
bone head moves.? With him & Daniels, I think our wing situation is good for
the 2nd half.? New years resolution,? GET US A FREAKIN BACK UP PG!!? Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
Of Alden Brosseau
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:54 PM
To: celtics at igtc.com
Subject: House

What's with Eddie?
Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would suggest?? Or does he make
up for it with defense?

Alden
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Mon Dec 28 16:08:00 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:08:00 +0000
Subject: Did Shelden sleep with Doc's wife or something?
Message-ID: <55309408-1262016479-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-908935285-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Yeah I was wondering the same thing. Maybe doc wants to get tony and baby some time. Scal has been playing a lot. It is embarassing some times as he sits open in the corner and rondo doesn't want anything to do with him!  
------Original Message------
From: Peter Delevett
Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
To: Celtics
ReplyTo: Celtics
Subject: Did Shelden sleep with Doc's wife or something?
Sent: Dec 28, 2009 12:36 AM

What is up with this guy's virtual disappearance from the lineup? And with KG playing hurt, no less?


      

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From jlyell at verizon.net  Mon Dec 28 16:09:28 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:09:28 +0000
Subject: House
In-Reply-To: <530646.99256.qm@web63104.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <00fc01ca8780$301f4600$6401a8c0@troyscomputer><530646.99256.qm@web63104.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Hudson wasn't active. Walker was in his place. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:37:42 
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: RE: House

If he subbed Hudson for Rondo in the final 30 seconds, we get 2 free throws! ?Gotta have shooters out there, otherwise it's hack-a-rondo. ?And Hudson can shoot. ?That said, gotta give kudos to Baron Davis - that was a hell of a shot.
Ellie

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net> wrote:

From: TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net>
Subject: RE: House
To: "'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 12:39 AM

Worse!? He can't guard a fence post!!? He single handedly brings the offense
to a screetching halt.? That said, Doc let him stay in in the 4th until
under the 5 minute mark with Rondo on the bench.? Danny MUST address the no
back up point guard situation.? He has Giddens', Scals' and Houses' expiring
deals to get something done, anything!!? House being shipped is addition by
subtraction.? As many of the opposing team's tv commentators have noted,
House is a great shooter when you are up 10, but I don't want him on the
court during a close game.

On a positive note, this TA hater will admit TA is playing well, not making
bone head moves.? With him & Daniels, I think our wing situation is good for
the 2nd half.? New years resolution,? GET US A FREAKIN BACK UP PG!!? Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
Of Alden Brosseau
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:54 PM
To: celtics at igtc.com
Subject: House

What's with Eddie?
Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would suggest?? Or does he make
up for it with defense?

Alden
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Mon Dec 28 16:10:55 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:10:55 +0000
Subject: House
In-Reply-To: <530646.99256.qm@web63104.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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Didn't baron beat us in a similar shot a few years back with GS?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:37:42 
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: RE: House

If he subbed Hudson for Rondo in the final 30 seconds, we get 2 free throws! ?Gotta have shooters out there, otherwise it's hack-a-rondo. ?And Hudson can shoot. ?That said, gotta give kudos to Baron Davis - that was a hell of a shot.
Ellie

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net> wrote:

From: TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net>
Subject: RE: House
To: "'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 12:39 AM

Worse!? He can't guard a fence post!!? He single handedly brings the offense
to a screetching halt.? That said, Doc let him stay in in the 4th until
under the 5 minute mark with Rondo on the bench.? Danny MUST address the no
back up point guard situation.? He has Giddens', Scals' and Houses' expiring
deals to get something done, anything!!? House being shipped is addition by
subtraction.? As many of the opposing team's tv commentators have noted,
House is a great shooter when you are up 10, but I don't want him on the
court during a close game.

On a positive note, this TA hater will admit TA is playing well, not making
bone head moves.? With him & Daniels, I think our wing situation is good for
the 2nd half.? New years resolution,? GET US A FREAKIN BACK UP PG!!? Troy

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
Of Alden Brosseau
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:54 PM
To: celtics at igtc.com
Subject: House

What's with Eddie?
Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would suggest?? Or does he make
up for it with defense?

Alden
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Mon Dec 28 16:45:59 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 11:45:59 -0500
Subject: House
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Maybe it's time Danny makes room for Nate Robinson.
---- John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote: 
> Didn't baron beat us in a similar shot a few years back with GS?
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
> Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 07:37:42 
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List<celtics at igtc.com>
> Subject: RE: House
> 
> If he subbed Hudson for Rondo in the final 30 seconds, we get 2 free throws! ?Gotta have shooters out there, otherwise it's hack-a-rondo. ?And Hudson can shoot. ?That said, gotta give kudos to Baron Davis - that was a hell of a shot.
> Ellie
> 
> --- On Mon, 12/28/09, TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> From: TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net>
> Subject: RE: House
> To: "'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 12:39 AM
> 
> Worse!? He can't guard a fence post!!? He single handedly brings the offense
> to a screetching halt.? That said, Doc let him stay in in the 4th until
> under the 5 minute mark with Rondo on the bench.? Danny MUST address the no
> back up point guard situation.? He has Giddens', Scals' and Houses' expiring
> deals to get something done, anything!!? House being shipped is addition by
> subtraction.? As many of the opposing team's tv commentators have noted,
> House is a great shooter when you are up 10, but I don't want him on the
> court during a close game.
> 
> On a positive note, this TA hater will admit TA is playing well, not making
> bone head moves.? With him & Daniels, I think our wing situation is good for
> the 2nd half.? New years resolution,? GET US A FREAKIN BACK UP PG!!? Troy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
> Of Alden Brosseau
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:54 PM
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: House
> 
> What's with Eddie?
> Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would suggest?? Or does he make
> up for it with defense?
> 
> Alden
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From douglas342 at aol.com  Mon Dec 28 17:53:41 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:53:41 -0500
Subject: House
In-Reply-To: <530646.99256.qm@web63104.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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If Hudson is in there, he never makes the drive to earn the FTs.  I 
thought it was a reasonable play, and Rondo should have made at least 
one of the throws.  Maybe it wouldn't have made any difference, but, as 
the Patriots discovered, sometimes the right call simply doesn't work 
out.  Personally, I would have preferred to see the ball in Ray's hands.

Kaman is a trip.  He signed a big contract and had a crappy year, and 
now he's playing very well.  The Clippers are so sad that you have to 
root for them a little bit.

I'm gonna chalk this one up to "one of those nights:"  coming off a big 
win in Orlando, long road trip, weak opposition, no Pierce.  Anyway, 
the road record is still best in the NBA.   Golden State is next, and 
the Cs should be pissed and whup butt.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2009 7:37 am
Subject: RE: House


If he subbed Hudson for Rondo in the final 30 seconds, we get 2 free 
throws!
?Gotta have shooters out there, otherwise it's hack-a-rondo. ?And 
Hudson can
shoot. ?That said, gotta give kudos to Baron Davis - that was a hell of 
a shot.
Ellie

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net> wrote:

From: TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net>
Subject: RE: House
To: "'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 12:39 AM

Worse!? He can't guard a fence post!!? He single handedly brings the 
offense
to a screetching halt.? That said, Doc let him stay in in the 4th until
under the 5 minute mark with Rondo on the bench.? Danny MUST address 
the no
back up point guard situation.? He has Giddens', Scals' and Houses' 
expiring
deals to get something done, anything!!? House being shipped is 
addition by
subtraction.? As many of the opposing team's tv commentators have noted,
House is a great shooter when you are up 10, but I don't want him on the
court during a close game.

On a positive note, this TA hater will admit TA is playing well, not 
making
bone head moves.? With him & Daniels, I think our wing situation is 
good for
the 2nd half.? New years resolution,? GET US A FREAKIN BACK UP PG!!? 
Troy

-----Original Message-----
 From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On 
Behalf
Of Alden Brosseau
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:54 PM
To: celtics at igtc.com
Subject: House

What's with Eddie?
Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would suggest?? Or does he 
make
up for it with defense?

Alden
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 28 20:00:49 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:00:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Did Shelden sleep with Doc's wife or something?
In-Reply-To: <332011.16846.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <969589.63830.qm@web65608.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Um, maybe Glen Davis is the superior player?

Williams put up career #s for the first month of the season, but he's fallen a bit back to earth since then.  His small hands aren't getting bigger--the dude misses a bunch of easy shots around the rim and he fumbles away lots of potential rebounds.  He can catch a pass alright, but his small hands leave him open to the real possibility that the defender will just steal it away anyway.  He's also a limited defender (only can guard 4s) who still learning the playbook and his teammates tendencies.  

Williams is a great upgrade to the Pollards and POBs of the world, but he's going to become well-acquainted with the world of DNP-CD now that Baby is finally healthy.

Williams may have one advantage on Davis--he's a better defensive rebounder.  But in every other imaginable category--defense, offense, offensive rebounding, finishing around the rim, BBIQ, natural instinct, you name it, Baby's his equal or superior.  

Ryan

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Peter Delevett <pdelevett at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Did Shelden sleep with Doc's wife or something?
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 2:36 AM
> What is up with this guy's virtual
> disappearance from the lineup? And with KG playing hurt, no
> less?
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 28 20:06:46 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:06:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: House
In-Reply-To: <1684087210-1261982667-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1450370165-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <297485.8817.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Kaman can't defend well and we made a mistake not attacking him more.  That said, Perk did have a poor defensive game.  I'd never trade him for Kaman either--crazy talk.

TA shutdown Thornton and pitched a virtual shutout against whomever he guarded (he did let Davis make a three--but that was it).  Doc should have moved him over on Gordon or Davis earlier in the game.  TA's playing great right now.

We lost this game because of poor ball movement, poor defense and poor composure.  House's tech was uncalled for and it happened in the 4th quarter.  Ray should have never left Butler to collapse on Davis--down 3 with 10 seconds left you must guard the line and Ray made a huge mental mistake by collapsing on Baron's layup drive attempt and leaving Butler wide open.

Also, the officials made a glaring error by putting 1.5 seconds left on the clock following the foul on Rondo.  The foul was clearly whistled with 1.3 seconds left in the game.  And since Davis's game winning shot left his hand with .1 seconds on the clock, those extra .2 seconds made all the difference in the world...

Ryan

--- On Mon, 12/28/09, John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: House
> To: "Celtics" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Monday, December 28, 2009, 12:44 AM
> Just got back from the game. Doc lost
> this one. Kaman schooled Perkins. Way called for a move for
> kaman earlier in the year. Everyone laughed but he is way
> beerwe than perk. . He should have had Wallace play him
> more.? they should went in to kg on Jordan. When you
> get only 25 out of ray and kg you won't win much. tony and
> rondo have no perimeter scoring ability. Baron and Gordon
> drove? at ease. Better be ready for GS.
> ------Original Message------
> From: TroySusieBrady
> Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> To: Celtics
> ReplyTo: Celtics
> Subject: RE: House
> Sent: Dec 27, 2009 9:39 PM
> 
> Worse!? He can't guard a fence post!!? He single
> handedly brings the offense
> to a screetching halt.? That said, Doc let him stay in
> in the 4th until
> under the 5 minute mark with Rondo on the bench.?
> Danny MUST address the no
> back up point guard situation.? He has Giddens',
> Scals' and Houses' expiring
> deals to get something done, anything!!? House being
> shipped is addition by
> subtraction.? As many of the opposing team's tv
> commentators have noted,
> House is a great shooter when you are up 10, but I don't
> want him on the
> court during a close game.
> 
> On a positive note, this TA hater will admit TA is playing
> well, not making
> bone head moves.? With him & Daniels, I think our
> wing situation is good for
> the 2nd half.? New years resolution,? GET US A
> FREAKIN BACK UP PG!!? Troy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Alden Brosseau
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:54 PM
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: House
> 
> What's with Eddie?
> Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would
> suggest?? Or does he make
> up for it with defense?
> 
> Alden
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 28 20:11:51 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 12:11:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: House
In-Reply-To: <00fc01ca8780$301f4600$6401a8c0@troyscomputer>
Message-ID: <218299.87829.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Agreed, Troy!

House just isn't that good.  His shooting can be stopped by minimal defensive pressure.  He can't run an offense.  He can't defend very well.  He forces shots when defended well, shots he can't hit (he's a great wide open shooter--not so good with a hand in his face). And his presence forces ball-handling responsibilities on TA, Daniels, Ray and Paul, taking them away from what they do best.  Worst of all, he's earned Doc's trust, meaning that Doc sticks with him too long hoping he'll hit a shot.  House is a 9th or 10th player, tops, yet Doc clings to him like he's our 6th man.

Hudson is the obvious move to make.  Even a loser like Gabe Pruitt made all the difference in the world to House's game last season--I'm sure Les can do better than that.  It's all about moving House off-the-ball so he can focus on getting open shots.  That, or trade his expiring with Scal and Giddens for somebody who can dribble and shoot well, like maybe a Hinrich?

Ryan

--- On Sun, 12/27/09, TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net> wrote:

> From: TroySusieBrady <tsb33 at windstream.net>
> Subject: RE: House
> To: "'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Sunday, December 27, 2009, 11:39 PM
> Worse!? He can't guard a fence
> post!!? He single handedly brings the offense
> to a screetching halt.? That said, Doc let him stay in
> in the 4th until
> under the 5 minute mark with Rondo on the bench.?
> Danny MUST address the no
> back up point guard situation.? He has Giddens',
> Scals' and Houses' expiring
> deals to get something done, anything!!? House being
> shipped is addition by
> subtraction.? As many of the opposing team's tv
> commentators have noted,
> House is a great shooter when you are up 10, but I don't
> want him on the
> court during a close game.
> 
> On a positive note, this TA hater will admit TA is playing
> well, not making
> bone head moves.? With him & Daniels, I think our
> wing situation is good for
> the 2nd half.? New years resolution,? GET US A
> FREAKIN BACK UP PG!!? Troy
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Alden Brosseau
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2009 10:54 PM
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: House
> 
> What's with Eddie?
> Is he really as bad as all the 1-for-6 games would
> suggest?? Or does he make
> up for it with defense?
> 
> Alden
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From tsb33 at windstream.net  Tue Dec 29 06:27:02 2009
From: tsb33 at windstream.net (TroySusieBrady)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 01:27:02 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
Message-ID: <015901ca884f$ef452340$6401a8c0@troyscomputer>

1st, its amazing how we continually play down to other teams levels!  2nd,
we are getting ripped a part defensively and Doc for the second game in a
row has House in the game and TA on the bench for the entire 4th quarter!
If there was ever a game TA should have played it was this one! The second
half of this game was the type that makes casual fans think the NBA is
rigged! We got the hell beat out of us time after time and never got to the
line. Phantom calls, no calls, you name it the refs made it up as they went
along.  STILL, we should have beat this team by 20 points.  Again Danny if
you are out there, get us a freakin backup point guard "or at least trade
Brick House so Doc won't play him!!"  Troy

From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 15:03:46 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 07:03:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Celtics Title Hopes In A Coma, I Know, I Know, It's Serious
Message-ID: <445922.85476.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Do you really think they'll pull through? Do you really think they'll pull through...

Take a good look at that Rondo - Perk post-Garnett/Pierce/Allen era and embrace the suck or the Lottery.

Ray 


      


From noah.evans at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 15:16:01 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:16:01 +0100
Subject: Celtics Title Hopes In A Coma, I Know, I Know, It's Serious
In-Reply-To: <445922.85476.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <445922.85476.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <56a297000912290716n6be3096by98d1be288cf40261@mail.gmail.com>

I will give you credit for the Smith's reference.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Do you really think they'll pull through? Do you really think they'll pull through...
>
> Take a good look at that Rondo - Perk post-Garnett/Pierce/Allen era and embrace the suck or the Lottery.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Tue Dec 29 15:36:48 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 15:36:48 +0000
Subject: Amazing!
Message-ID: <93400302-1262101008-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-339826142-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Unfortunately for long time Celtic fans this is reminiscent of when the big 3 started getting old and of you hold on too long and don't make the right moves it can be a long wait. The warriors have a good young  team and own us at home as of late. Ellis is dynamite when he is on. Not sure why they don't win more. Rondo's three straight passes to cj didn't help. Baby needs to be moved for taller more athletic big man while he has value. Personally Ray is the other that could bring us something.  I like morrow and azubuike didn't even play.
------Original Message------
From: TroySusieBrady
Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
To: Celtics
ReplyTo: Celtics
Subject: Amazing!
Sent: Dec 28, 2009 10:27 PM

1st, its amazing how we continually play down to other teams levels!  2nd,
we are getting ripped a part defensively and Doc for the second game in a
row has House in the game and TA on the bench for the entire 4th quarter!
If there was ever a game TA should have played it was this one! The second
half of this game was the type that makes casual fans think the NBA is
rigged! We got the hell beat out of us time after time and never got to the
line. Phantom calls, no calls, you name it the refs made it up as they went
along.  STILL, we should have beat this team by 20 points.  Again Danny if
you are out there, get us a freakin backup point guard "or at least trade
Brick House so Doc won't play him!!"  Troy
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From douglas342 at aol.com  Tue Dec 29 15:44:14 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:44:14 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
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First, I haven't read anything yet about Baby's health - he looked 
pretty miserable last night.

As for the future, this is the last year that this team (New Big 3) can 
contend, but I remain convinced that this team can win it all with any 
luck.  Why back-to-back losses to weak teams?  Hell, I don't know.  
S--- happens.  Pierce may be more important chemically than we know.  
The Fakers have also dropped two of late, albeit to good teams.

Don't listen to the prophet of doom yet.  Let's wait for another 40 
games or so.  If the Cs are fifth in the east, then, maybe, we can 
start to mourn.  In the meantime, enjoy the ride.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net>
To: Celtics <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 7:36 am
Subject: Re: Amazing!


Unfortunately for long time Celtic fans this is reminiscent of when the 
big 3
started getting old and of you hold on too long and don't make the 
right moves
it can be a long wait. The warriors have a good young  team and own us 
at home
as of late. Ellis is dynamite when he is on. Not sure why they don't 
win more.
Rondo's three straight passes to cj didn't help. Baby needs to be moved 
for
taller more athletic big man while he has value. Personally Ray is the 
other
that could bring us something.  I like morrow and azubuike didn't even 
play.
------Original Message------
From: TroySusieBrady
Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
To: Celtics
ReplyTo: Celtics
Subject: Amazing!
Sent: Dec 28, 2009 10:27 PM

1st, its amazing how we continually play down to other teams levels!  
2nd,
we are getting ripped a part defensively and Doc for the second game in 
a
row has House in the game and TA on the bench for the entire 4th 
quarter!
If there was ever a game TA should have played it was this one! The 
second
half of this game was the type that makes casual fans think the NBA is
rigged! We got the hell beat out of us time after time and never got to 
the
line. Phantom calls, no calls, you name it the refs made it up as they 
went
along.  STILL, we should have beat this team by 20 points.  Again Danny 
if
you are out there, get us a freakin backup point guard "or at least 
trade
Brick House so Doc won't play him!!"  Troy
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 15:51:05 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <8CC56B4E81AFC84-1994-C178@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8CC56B4E81AFC84-1994-C178@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <84e131670912290751h234cbee3o222e4cc609f8e84c@mail.gmail.com>

this is not the end of the end
we may be past the begining of the end
if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
but it is not the end of the end

we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the mercy of the
injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could strike at
any time

-- 
Jeff
CelticsBlog.com
doughnutholes.wordpress.com

From shizzjr at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 29 16:07:09 2009
From: shizzjr at hotmail.com (Shawn Niles)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:07:09 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <84e131670912290751h234cbee3o222e4cc609f8e84c@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BAY111-W51555EF43189E5E4AD9C0A57A0@phx.gbl>


It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best record in the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily could have won both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets not for get that both of these losses were on the road and without arguably their best player. Anyone think that maybe these last two nights go a little different if Pierce is playing? Or do we not mention that because then you can't preach 'end of the world' theories?

 

I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom and gloom'.
 
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> 
> this is not the end of the end
> we may be past the begining of the end
> if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
> but it is not the end of the end
> 
> we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the mercy of the
> injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could strike at
> any time
> 
> -- 
> Jeff
> CelticsBlog.com
> doughnutholes.wordpress.com
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From douglas342 at aol.com  Tue Dec 29 17:35:50 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:35:50 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W51555EF43189E5E4AD9C0A57A0@phx.gbl>
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	<8CC56B4E81AFC84-1994-C178@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>,
	<84e131670912290751h234cbee3o222e4cc609f8e84c@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY111-W51555EF43189E5E4AD9C0A57A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CC56C47FB76FC4-1994-E165@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>

My concern level isn't very high at all, Shawn, but methinks you miss 
the point:  games against the Flippers and Warriors shouldn't BE close 
games - win or lose.

There was one stretch in the third and early fourth when I swear the 
Warriors made about 234 field goals in a row.  Was I delusional?


-----Original Message-----
From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 8:07 am
Subject: RE: Amazing!



It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best 
record in
the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily could 
have won
both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets not for get 
that both
of these losses were on the road and without arguably their best 
player. Anyone
think that maybe these last two nights go a little different if Pierce 
is
playing? Or do we not mention that because then you can't preach 'end 
of the
world' theories?



I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom 
and gloom'.

> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> To: celtics at igtc.com
>
> this is not the end of the end
> we may be past the begining of the end
> if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
> but it is not the end of the end
>
> we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the mercy 
of the
> injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could 
strike at
> any time
>
> --
> Jeff
> CelticsBlog.com
> doughnutholes.wordpress.com
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 17:39:41 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:39:41 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <8CC56C47FB76FC4-1994-E165@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
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my end times email was a little tounge in cheek, but the point is the end of
this run will most likely eventually be brought about suddenly, due to
injuries rather than a slow deterioration - we are already seeing this
happen (last year we didn't win because of KG - will something similar
happen this year? maybe, maybe not)

-- 
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From shizzjr at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 29 17:45:59 2009
From: shizzjr at hotmail.com (Shawn Niles)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:45:59 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <8CC56C47FB76FC4-1994-E165@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
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	, <8CC56B4E81AFC84-1994-C178@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>, ,
	<84e131670912290751h234cbee3o222e4cc609f8e84c@mail.gmail.com>,
	<BAY111-W51555EF43189E5E4AD9C0A57A0@phx.gbl>,
	<8CC56C47FB76FC4-1994-E165@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>
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Should we beat those teams with or without Pierce...  Yes. Is the sky falling and all the hopes and dreams of this team now out the window..  No.

 

Look.. they lost two close games on the road without their captain and best player playing. It happens. I seem to remember them losing some games they should have won during the recent championship season too. Bottom line is this: if this team is healthy going into the playoffs, they are still the favorites to win it all. All this chicken little stuff 35 games into the season gets really annoying.
 
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:35:50 -0500
> From: douglas342 at aol.com
> 
> My concern level isn't very high at all, Shawn, but methinks you miss 
> the point: games against the Flippers and Warriors shouldn't BE close 
> games - win or lose.
> 
> There was one stretch in the third and early fourth when I swear the 
> Warriors made about 234 field goals in a row. Was I delusional?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 8:07 am
> Subject: RE: Amazing!
> 
> 
> 
> It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best 
> record in
> the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily could 
> have won
> both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets not for get 
> that both
> of these losses were on the road and without arguably their best 
> player. Anyone
> think that maybe these last two nights go a little different if Pierce 
> is
> playing? Or do we not mention that because then you can't preach 'end 
> of the
> world' theories?
> 
> 
> 
> I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom 
> and gloom'.
> 
> > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
> > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> >
> > this is not the end of the end
> > we may be past the begining of the end
> > if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
> > but it is not the end of the end
> >
> > we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the mercy 
> of the
> > injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could 
> strike at
> > any time
> >
> > --
> > Jeff
> > CelticsBlog.com
> > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Tue Dec 29 18:03:16 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:03:16 +0000
Subject: Amazing!
Message-ID: <1111677111-1262109797-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397183591-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

You also need to realize the other teams were without key players also. The truth is we haven't looked good against athletic mobile teams which is where will struggle as we age. Just saying we have been through the 20 year drought and may need to move a key piece or two. maybe Rays expiring contract and getting him to come back for less is worth keeping him ? That's what ainge gets paid to decide.  Not time to worry= but something to keep an eye in. 
------Original Message------
From: Shawn Niles
Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
To: Celtics
ReplyTo: Celtics
Subject: RE: Amazing!
Sent: Dec 29, 2009 8:07 AM


It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best record in the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily could have won both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets not for get that both of these losses were on the road and without arguably their best player. Anyone think that maybe these last two nights go a little different if Pierce is playing? Or do we not mention that because then you can't preach 'end of the world' theories?

 

I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom and gloom'.
 
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> 
> this is not the end of the end
> we may be past the begining of the end
> if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
> but it is not the end of the end
> 
> we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the mercy of the
> injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could strike at
> any time
> 
> -- 
> Jeff
> CelticsBlog.com
> doughnutholes.wordpress.com
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> celtics at igtc.com
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 18:04:23 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:04:23 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W14E773C389F4DCDE828659A57A0@phx.gbl>
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Isn't the overraction to negative comments getting a little old as well?

I'm usually the captain of the good ship lollipop, but I think it is fair to
point out flaws and concerns once in a while without getting shouted down.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Should we beat those teams with or without Pierce...  Yes. Is the sky
> falling and all the hopes and dreams of this team now out the window..  No.
>
>
>
> Look.. they lost two close games on the road without their captain and best
> player playing. It happens. I seem to remember them losing some games they
> should have won during the recent championship season too. Bottom line is
> this: if this team is healthy going into the playoffs, they are still the
> favorites to win it all. All this chicken little stuff 35 games into the
> season gets really annoying.
>
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:35:50 -0500
> > From: douglas342 at aol.com
>  >
> > My concern level isn't very high at all, Shawn, but methinks you miss
> > the point: games against the Flippers and Warriors shouldn't BE close
> > games - win or lose.
> >
> > There was one stretch in the third and early fourth when I swear the
> > Warriors made about 234 field goals in a row. Was I delusional?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> > To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 8:07 am
> > Subject: RE: Amazing!
> >
> >
> >
> > It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best
> > record in
> > the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily could
> > have won
> > both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets not for get
> > that both
> > of these losses were on the road and without arguably their best
> > player. Anyone
> > think that maybe these last two nights go a little different if Pierce
> > is
> > playing? Or do we not mention that because then you can't preach 'end
> > of the
> > world' theories?
> >
> >
> >
> > I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom
> > and gloom'.
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
> > > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > > From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > >
> > > this is not the end of the end
> > > we may be past the begining of the end
> > > if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
> > > but it is not the end of the end
> > >
> > > we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the mercy
> > of the
> > > injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could
> > strike at
> > > any time
> > >
> > > --
> > > Jeff
> > > CelticsBlog.com
> > > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > celtics at igtc.com
> > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> >
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> >
> >
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From cecilw45 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 29 18:04:31 2009
From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:04:31 -0400
Subject: Tech
Message-ID: <BAY128-W20231881059548DD4F0619D97A0@phx.gbl>


I have seen some questionable technical fouls handed out over my many years of following the Celts, but I believe I saw the worst of all time last night.

 

Perk was assessed a tech for shedding a player off his back after he, Perk, successfully completed a layup.  Turiaf nailed him in the back of the neck with two hands and landed on Perk's back.  Perk kind of throws him off with his right arm and the ref calls Perk for a technical.  The fact that no foul was called on Turiaf is one thing, but calling Perk for his action was one of the worst calls ever.  Hopefully, this one will be rescinded.

 

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From jozersky at optonline.net  Tue Dec 29 18:26:49 2009
From: jozersky at optonline.net (Josh Ozersky)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:26:49 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <1111677111-1262109797-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397183591-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1111677111-1262109797-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-397183591-@bda746.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <B6731B764D12479988E81812A2B0E8D2@JoshPC>

I think we have the talent to beat just about anybody, even without Paul,
but we really have to play well. And the best players have to be out on
the floor. Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the substitution patterns?

--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Lyell" <jlyell at verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:03 PM
To: "Celtics" <celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: Re: Amazing!

> You also need to realize the other teams were without key players also. 
> The truth is we haven't looked good against athletic mobile teams which is 
> where will struggle as we age. Just saying we have been through the 20 
> year drought and may need to move a key piece or two. maybe Rays expiring 
> contract and getting him to come back for less is worth keeping him ? 
> That's what ainge gets paid to decide.  Not time to worry= but something 
> to keep an eye in.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Shawn Niles
> Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> To: Celtics
> ReplyTo: Celtics
> Subject: RE: Amazing!
> Sent: Dec 29, 2009 8:07 AM
>
>
> It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best 
> record in the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily 
> could have won both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets 
> not for get that both of these losses were on the road and without 
> arguably their best player. Anyone think that maybe these last two nights 
> go a little different if Pierce is playing? Or do we not mention that 
> because then you can't preach 'end of the world' theories?
>
>
>
> I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom and 
> gloom'.
>
>> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Amazing!
>> From: jeffclark at gmail.com
>> To: celtics at igtc.com
>>
>> this is not the end of the end
>> we may be past the begining of the end
>> if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
>> but it is not the end of the end
>>
>> we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the mercy of 
>> the
>> injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could strike 
>> at
>> any time
>>
>> -- 
>> Jeff
>> CelticsBlog.com
>> doughnutholes.wordpress.com
>>_______________________________________________
>> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> celtics at igtc.com
>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
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From shizzjr at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 29 18:56:09 2009
From: shizzjr at hotmail.com (Shawn Niles)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:56:09 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <84e131670912291004r49e3cb9em3b0d0d6eac9616e1@mail.gmail.com>
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	<84e131670912290751h234cbee3o222e4cc609f8e84c@mail.gmail.com>,
	<BAY111-W51555EF43189E5E4AD9C0A57A0@phx.gbl>,
	<8CC56C47FB76FC4-1994-E165@webmail-m005.sysops.aol.com>,
	<BAY111-W14E773C389F4DCDE828659A57A0@phx.gbl>,
	<84e131670912291004r49e3cb9em3b0d0d6eac9616e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BAY111-W962FC1786039A8728FE48A57A0@phx.gbl>


Why is me giving my opinion being construed as shouting others down? the point was made that the Celts are in big trouble and all done now that they lost two in a row. I was countering that point saying that they aren't, while giving reasons why I feel that way.
 
> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:04:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> 
> Isn't the overraction to negative comments getting a little old as well?
> 
> I'm usually the captain of the good ship lollipop, but I think it is fair to
> point out flaws and concerns once in a while without getting shouted down.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Should we beat those teams with or without Pierce... Yes. Is the sky
> > falling and all the hopes and dreams of this team now out the window.. No.
> >
> >
> >
> > Look.. they lost two close games on the road without their captain and best
> > player playing. It happens. I seem to remember them losing some games they
> > should have won during the recent championship season too. Bottom line is
> > this: if this team is healthy going into the playoffs, they are still the
> > favorites to win it all. All this chicken little stuff 35 games into the
> > season gets really annoying.
> >
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:35:50 -0500
> > > From: douglas342 at aol.com
> > >
> > > My concern level isn't very high at all, Shawn, but methinks you miss
> > > the point: games against the Flippers and Warriors shouldn't BE close
> > > games - win or lose.
> > >
> > > There was one stretch in the third and early fourth when I swear the
> > > Warriors made about 234 field goals in a row. Was I delusional?
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> > > To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 8:07 am
> > > Subject: RE: Amazing!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best
> > > record in
> > > the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily could
> > > have won
> > > both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets not for get
> > > that both
> > > of these losses were on the road and without arguably their best
> > > player. Anyone
> > > think that maybe these last two nights go a little different if Pierce
> > > is
> > > playing? Or do we not mention that because then you can't preach 'end
> > > of the
> > > world' theories?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom
> > > and gloom'.
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
> > > > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > > > From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> > > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > >
> > > > this is not the end of the end
> > > > we may be past the begining of the end
> > > > if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
> > > > but it is not the end of the end
> > > >
> > > > we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the mercy
> > > of the
> > > > injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could
> > > strike at
> > > > any time
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jeff
> > > > CelticsBlog.com
> > > > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
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From jeffclark at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 18:59:36 2009
From: jeffclark at gmail.com (jeffclark at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:59:36 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W962FC1786039A8728FE48A57A0@phx.gbl>
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	<84e131670912291004r49e3cb9em3b0d0d6eac9616e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY111-W962FC1786039A8728FE48A57A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <84e131670912291059w6c1117e9l94a871533674475@mail.gmail.com>

I see where this is going.  I'm checking out of this semantical battle
before it gathers too much momentum.

Take care.  Go Celtics.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Why is me giving my opinion being construed as shouting others down? the
> point was made that the Celts are in big trouble and all done now that they
> lost two in a row. I was countering that point saying that they aren't,
> while giving reasons why I feel that way.
>
> > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:04:23 -0500
>  > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> >
> > Isn't the overraction to negative comments getting a little old as well?
> >
> > I'm usually the captain of the good ship lollipop, but I think it is fair
> to
> > point out flaws and concerns once in a while without getting shouted
> down.
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Should we beat those teams with or without Pierce... Yes. Is the sky
> > > falling and all the hopes and dreams of this team now out the window..
> No.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Look.. they lost two close games on the road without their captain and
> best
> > > player playing. It happens. I seem to remember them losing some games
> they
> > > should have won during the recent championship season too. Bottom line
> is
> > > this: if this team is healthy going into the playoffs, they are still
> the
> > > favorites to win it all. All this chicken little stuff 35 games into
> the
> > > season gets really annoying.
> > >
> > > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:35:50 -0500
> > > > From: douglas342 at aol.com
> > > >
> > > > My concern level isn't very high at all, Shawn, but methinks you miss
> > > > the point: games against the Flippers and Warriors shouldn't BE close
> > > > games - win or lose.
> > > >
> > > > There was one stretch in the third and early fourth when I swear the
> > > > Warriors made about 234 field goals in a row. Was I delusional?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> > > > To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > > Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 8:07 am
> > > > Subject: RE: Amazing!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best
> > > > record in
> > > > the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily could
> > > > have won
> > > > both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets not for get
> > > > that both
> > > > of these losses were on the road and without arguably their best
> > > > player. Anyone
> > > > think that maybe these last two nights go a little different if
> Pierce
> > > > is
> > > > playing? Or do we not mention that because then you can't preach 'end
> > > > of the
> > > > world' theories?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom
> > > > and gloom'.
> > > >
> > > > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
> > > > > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > > > > From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> > > > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > > >
> > > > > this is not the end of the end
> > > > > we may be past the begining of the end
> > > > > if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
> > > > > but it is not the end of the end
> > > > >
> > > > > we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the
> mercy
> > > > of the
> > > > > injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could
> > > > strike at
> > > > > any time
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jeff
> > > > > CelticsBlog.com
> > > > > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
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From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 19:04:17 2009
From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:04:17 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <B6731B764D12479988E81812A2B0E8D2@JoshPC>
Message-ID: <319333.45889.qm@web63102.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

yeah, wha happened?? ?I saw the 1st qtr when Rondo and Ray were on a mission to make up for the clippers game - they absolutely rocked! ?Then I wake up this AM to see they lost? ?I love Tony and Rondo on the floor together.
If they aren't playing Hudson, then the sub patterns stink, imho ; )
Ellie

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:

From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Amazing!
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:26 PM

I think we have the talent to beat just about anybody, even without Paul,
but we really have to play well. And the best players have to be out on
the floor. Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the substitution patterns?




      

From douglas342 at aol.com  Tue Dec 29 19:14:29 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:14:29 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <319333.45889.qm@web63102.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8CC56D2473FC5DE-3F44-29A46@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com>

Ellie (and other Hudson backers):  is your support for Hudson due to 
what you know or think he can do?  Or on the theory (not a bad one, 
mind you) that he must be better than using Eddie at backup point?  BUT 
I just checked the team website, and guess who's going to Maine again?  
Yup, one Hudson.

Looks like Davis (ankle sprain) is out for a while, although Tony is 
looking awfully good.

-----Original Message-----
From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:04 am
Subject: Re: Amazing!


yeah, wha happened?? ?I saw the 1st qtr when Rondo and Ray were on a 
mission to
make up for the clippers game - they absolutely rocked! ?Then I wake up 
this AM
to see they lost? ?I love Tony and Rondo on the floor together.
If they aren't playing Hudson, then the sub patterns stink, imho ; )
Ellie

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:

From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
Subject: Re: Amazing!
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:26 PM

I think we have the talent to beat just about anybody, even without 
Paul,
but we really have to play well. And the best players have to be out on
the floor. Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the substitution 
patterns?





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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 19:24:53 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:24:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Celtics Title Hopes In A Coma, I Know, I Know, It's Serious
In-Reply-To: <445922.85476.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <437164.21132.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Playing back-to-back on the road against young athletic teams while missing 2 of your top 7 players = trouble.  Throw in a conservative coach with about zero creativity who is forced to improvise lineups on the fly and there will be problems.

Meanwhile, Rondo shows that if the talent around him diminishes, he's more than able to raise his scoring to make up the diff..  And to think that just last season people were arguing that Devin Harris was the better player!  Rondo could average 20 and 10 just like D-Williams or Chris Paul if that was the kind of team we had...yet, since we have a better team, idiots say a post Big-3 future is doomed.  Yeah, right.  We have the best all-around point guard in the game...

Ryan

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Way Of The Ray <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Celtics Title Hopes In A Coma, I Know, I Know, It's Serious
> To: "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>, "Celtics Stuff" <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 9:03 AM
> Do you really think they'll pull
> through? Do you really think they'll pull through...
> 
> Take a good look at that Rondo - Perk
> post-Garnett/Pierce/Allen era and embrace the suck or the
> Lottery.
> 
> Ray 
> 
> 
> ? ? ? 
> 
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Tue Dec 29 19:28:44 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:28:44 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <84e131670912291059w6c1117e9l94a871533674475@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091229142844.DYJSB.361535.imail@eastrmwml35>

Fact is, we let two easy games slip away.  However, we aren't 100%.  No Pierce and no Daniels.  That's two of our best wings not able to play.  If we lose to Phoenix, it wouldn't surprise me.  On the other hand, the Lakers still have had the easier schedule, especially playing more home games and less back to backers.  The season is a long way from over.
---- jeffclark at gmail.com wrote: 
> I see where this is going.  I'm checking out of this semantical battle
> before it gathers too much momentum.
> 
> Take care.  Go Celtics.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Why is me giving my opinion being construed as shouting others down? the
> > point was made that the Celts are in big trouble and all done now that they
> > lost two in a row. I was countering that point saying that they aren't,
> > while giving reasons why I feel that way.
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:04:23 -0500
> >  > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > > From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > >
> > > Isn't the overraction to negative comments getting a little old as well?
> > >
> > > I'm usually the captain of the good ship lollipop, but I think it is fair
> > to
> > > point out flaws and concerns once in a while without getting shouted
> > down.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Should we beat those teams with or without Pierce... Yes. Is the sky
> > > > falling and all the hopes and dreams of this team now out the window..
> > No.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Look.. they lost two close games on the road without their captain and
> > best
> > > > player playing. It happens. I seem to remember them losing some games
> > they
> > > > should have won during the recent championship season too. Bottom line
> > is
> > > > this: if this team is healthy going into the playoffs, they are still
> > the
> > > > favorites to win it all. All this chicken little stuff 35 games into
> > the
> > > > season gets really annoying.
> > > >
> > > > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > > > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:35:50 -0500
> > > > > From: douglas342 at aol.com
> > > > >
> > > > > My concern level isn't very high at all, Shawn, but methinks you miss
> > > > > the point: games against the Flippers and Warriors shouldn't BE close
> > > > > games - win or lose.
> > > > >
> > > > > There was one stretch in the third and early fourth when I swear the
> > > > > Warriors made about 234 field goals in a row. Was I delusional?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Shawn Niles <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> > > > > To: Celtics List <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 8:07 am
> > > > > Subject: RE: Amazing!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best
> > > > > record in
> > > > > the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily could
> > > > > have won
> > > > > both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets not for get
> > > > > that both
> > > > > of these losses were on the road and without arguably their best
> > > > > player. Anyone
> > > > > think that maybe these last two nights go a little different if
> > Pierce
> > > > > is
> > > > > playing? Or do we not mention that because then you can't preach 'end
> > > > > of the
> > > > > world' theories?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom
> > > > > and gloom'.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Amazing!
> > > > > > From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> > > > > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this is not the end of the end
> > > > > > we may be past the begining of the end
> > > > > > if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
> > > > > > but it is not the end of the end
> > > > > >
> > > > > > we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the
> > mercy
> > > > > of the
> > > > > > injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could
> > > > > strike at
> > > > > > any time
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jeff
> > > > > > CelticsBlog.com
> > > > > > doughnutholes.wordpress.com
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 19:34:02 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:34:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <8CC56D2473FC5DE-3F44-29A46@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <286215.90327.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

Doug: 

Hudson just has 'it'.  He's a gamer, with the ability to create his own shot, hit a three, and get to the rim.  He can also dribble decently and defend at a pretty high level (for a rookie).  He has a inner maturity due to his long and winding road to the League.  He's a hard worker.  So, yeah, I like him and I think he'll get a chance in January/February, just like late-bloomer late-round rooks such as Powe or Gomes...

But just thinking back to last season, Eddie House didn't explode and have a career year until TA got hurt and Gabe was moved into the point guard spot and House moved off-the-ball.  You can't tell me Hudson can't match what Pruitt brought last season, something that amounted to bringing the ball up, playing decent defense and getting out of the way.  

I love what TA is doing; however, he's a 2/3.  Him and House aren't a fit because both of their games suffer the more they're counted on to facilitate the offense.  Again, this points to developing Hudson's role on this team, so as to bring out the best in House and TA.  Hudson's probably big enough to guard most reserve 2s, making a House/Hudson backcourt feasible in terms of defensive matchups.  

Doc is not only missing the boat on Hudson; he's also stubbornly playing Scal at back up 3 when Walker could do just as well, while also matching up physically and possibly getting some hustle buckets in the process, something Scal is unable to do.  Doc is just terrible when it comes to creatively using his end-of-the-bench players in wildcard scenarios where their talents might actually impact the outcome of a game.  

Ryan
--- On Tue, 12/29/09, douglas342 at aol.com <douglas342 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: douglas342 at aol.com <douglas342 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:14 PM
> Ellie (and other Hudson
> backers):? is your support for Hudson due to what you
> know or think he can do?? Or on the theory (not a bad
> one, mind you) that he must be better than using Eddie at
> backup point?? BUT I just checked the team website, and
> guess who's going to Maine again?? Yup, one Hudson.
> 
> Looks like Davis (ankle sprain) is out for a while,
> although Tony is looking awfully good.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:04 am
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> 
> 
> yeah, wha happened?? ?I saw the 1st qtr when Rondo and Ray
> were on a mission to
> make up for the clippers game - they absolutely rocked!
> ?Then I wake up this AM
> to see they lost? ?I love Tony and Rondo on the floor
> together.
> If they aren't playing Hudson, then the sub patterns stink,
> imho ; )
> Ellie
> 
> --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> wrote:
> 
> From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:26 PM
> 
> I think we have the talent to beat just about anybody, even
> without Paul,
> but we really have to play well. And the best players have
> to be out on
> the floor. Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the
> substitution patterns?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 19:51:16 2009
From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:51:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <B6731B764D12479988E81812A2B0E8D2@JoshPC>
Message-ID: <844112.74054.qm@web65611.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:
> Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the substitution patterns?

Substitutions 'patterns'?  I would say they lacked the intelligence quotient to be classified 'patterns'.   

Scal continues to attempt to guard 3s, to no good effect.  Even when Baby tweaked his ankle late in the game, Scal got the call to replace him, instead of Williams, who actually would have been a better matchup.  Scal has SOME value as a defender of perimeter fours, but he's a trainwreck at 3.  He just doesn't give you anything.

Doc continues to go back and forth between House and TA, with little rhyme or reason..  In the last 2 games, Doc's dilemma has actually resulted in substitutions where he'll put in TA for a minute and a half, then sub in House for TA, then sub TA back in for House 3 minutes later.

The problem of course is that House can't guard anything at the 2, so when matched up against Eric Gordon or Baron Davis or Monta Ellis or Anthony Morrow of CJ Watson, he'll get absolutely abused, forcing Doc to make a substitution.  But then when TA gets into the game, the Cs basically avoid his side of the court on offense, either by design or subconsciously.  This makes them much easier to defend and pretty much kills the ball movement.  Even in a game where TA had the strength advantage against pretty much every Warrior guard out there, we didn't put TA in the post ONCE in the entire game.  And TA played nearly 30 minutes.  Doc has a stubborn tendency to conclude that since TA should be concentrating on defense, he shouldn't bother with exploiting his talent on offense, lest he get too caught up in scoring and make his less concentrated on defense.  Well, that pretty much ignores human nature (where people tend to get more excited about playing
 defense when they're scoring) and basic basketball strategy (where you usually attack mismatches).  

FYI, last nights +/- leader was TA at +7.  House had the worst +/- at -14.  Scal was 2nd worst at -9.  

On a night where we can't defend, it's indefensible to play Eddie House 24 minutes.

Ryan

  
--- On Tue, 12/29/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline..net> wrote:

> From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 12:26 PM
> I think we have the talent to beat
> just about anybody, even without Paul,
> but we really have to play well. And the best players have
> to be out on
> the floor. Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the
> substitution patterns?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "John Lyell" <jlyell at verizon.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:03 PM
> To: "Celtics" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> 
> > You also need to realize the other teams were without
> key players also. The truth is we haven't looked good
> against athletic mobile teams which is where will struggle
> as we age. Just saying we have been through the 20 year
> drought and may need to move a key piece or two. maybe Rays
> expiring contract and getting him to come back for less is
> worth keeping him ? That's what ainge gets paid to
> decide.? Not time to worry= but something to keep an
> eye in.
> > ------Original Message------
> > From: Shawn Niles
> > Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> > To: Celtics
> > ReplyTo: Celtics
> > Subject: RE: Amazing!
> > Sent: Dec 29, 2009 8:07 AM
> > 
> > 
> > It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good
> for second best record in the entire league. They lost two
> very close games, and easily could have won both with a
> bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets not for get
> that both of these losses were on the road and without
> arguably their best player. Anyone think that maybe these
> last two nights go a little different if Pierce is playing?
> Or do we not mention that because then you can't preach 'end
> of the world' theories?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I will never understand why some people only seem to
> thrive on 'doom and gloom'.
> > 
> >> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
> >> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> >> From: jeffclark at gmail.com
> >> To: celtics at igtc.com
> >> 
> >> this is not the end of the end
> >> we may be past the begining of the end
> >> if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of
> the end
> >> but it is not the end of the end
> >> 
> >> we can still win a title in these end times, but
> we are at the mercy of the
> >> injuries which will occur more often for guys this
> age and could strike at
> >> any time
> >> 
> >> -- Jeff
> >> CelticsBlog.com
> >> doughnutholes.wordpress.com
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > 
> >
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From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 29 20:57:20 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:57:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
Message-ID: <364899.19918.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

For all you Perk Zombies, that was an embarrassing destruction of Perkins (and Garnett too) by Kaman, whom if he is on the market, Ainge should not hesitate to offer Perkins and expirings for him. Kaman would be fantastic on this team, providing the Celtics with a legitimate low post scorer, which they currently lack, and a rebounder. He would be their best center since Cowens. Yes, I would rate Kaman slightly ahead of Parish at the moment, and I'd have no problem with a Ray and Davis for Davis and Kaman deal, with the Celtics playing Davis next to Rondo. 

Ray 


      


From jozersky at optonline.net  Tue Dec 29 21:01:12 2009
From: jozersky at optonline.net (Josh Ozersky)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:01:12 -0500
Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
In-Reply-To: <364899.19918.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <364899.19918.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DBF2140C67324C919E438ABBA414D6D6@JoshPC>

Are you high??

--------------------------------------------------
From: "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:57 PM
To: "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>; "Echo Chamber" 
<celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet

> For all you Perk Zombies, that was an embarrassing destruction of Perkins 
> (and Garnett too) by Kaman, whom if he is on the market, Ainge should not 
> hesitate to offer Perkins and expirings for him. Kaman would be fantastic 
> on this team, providing the Celtics with a legitimate low post scorer, 
> which they currently lack, and a rebounder. He would be their best center 
> since Cowens. Yes, I would rate Kaman slightly ahead of Parish at the 
> moment, and I'd have no problem with a Ray and Davis for Davis and Kaman 
> deal, with the Celtics playing Davis next to Rondo.
>
> Ray
>
>
>
>
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From cecilw45 at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 29 21:23:10 2009
From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright )
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:23:10 +0000
Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
Message-ID: <BAY128-DS475B6AFC7EC4258B024C8D97A0@phx.gbl>

I think we all know the answer to this. Rating Kaman ahead of Parish is absurd. Wonder if he can defend Howard or Shaq like Perk?

Cecil



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-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:01:12 
To: <celtics at igtc.com>; <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet

Are you high??
 
 --------------------------------------------------
 From: "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
 Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:57 PM
 To: "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>; "Echo Chamber" 
 <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
 Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
 
 > For all you Perk Zombies, that was an embarrassing destruction of Perkins 
 > (and Garnett too) by Kaman, whom if he is on the market, Ainge should not 
 > hesitate to offer Perkins and expirings for him. Kaman would be fantastic 
 > on this team, providing the Celtics with a legitimate low post scorer, 
 > which they currently lack, and a rebounder. He would be their best center 
 > since Cowens. Yes, I would rate Kaman slightly ahead of Parish at the 
 > moment, and I'd have no problem with a Ray and Davis for Davis and Kaman 
 > deal, with the Celtics playing Davis next to Rondo.
 >
 > Ray
 >
 >
 >
 >
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Tue Dec 29 21:31:54 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 21:31:54 +0000
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <B6731B764D12479988E81812A2B0E8D2@JoshPC>
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Wasn't too bad they were just  more athletic and Ellis was on fire. And we had 25 turnovers! Lost an 18 point lead in about 5 minutes it seemed. Perk is getting some  bogus calls lately. 
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-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 13:26:49 
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: Re: Amazing!

I think we have the talent to beat just about anybody, even without Paul,
but we really have to play well. And the best players have to be out on
the floor. Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the substitution patterns?

--------------------------------------------------
From: "John Lyell" <jlyell at verizon.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 1:03 PM
To: "Celtics" <celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: Re: Amazing!

> You also need to realize the other teams were without key players also. 
> The truth is we haven't looked good against athletic mobile teams which is 
> where will struggle as we age. Just saying we have been through the 20 
> year drought and may need to move a key piece or two. maybe Rays expiring 
> contract and getting him to come back for less is worth keeping him ? 
> That's what ainge gets paid to decide.  Not time to worry= but something 
> to keep an eye in.
> ------Original Message------
> From: Shawn Niles
> Sender: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> To: Celtics
> ReplyTo: Celtics
> Subject: RE: Amazing!
> Sent: Dec 29, 2009 8:07 AM
>
>
> It never ceases to amaze me. The Celts are 23-7, good for second best 
> record in the entire league. They lost two very close games, and easily 
> could have won both with a bounce here or there the other way. Oh, lets 
> not for get that both of these losses were on the road and without 
> arguably their best player. Anyone think that maybe these last two nights 
> go a little different if Pierce is playing? Or do we not mention that 
> because then you can't preach 'end of the world' theories?
>
>
>
> I will never understand why some people only seem to thrive on 'doom and 
> gloom'.
>
>> Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 10:51:05 -0500
>> Subject: Re: Amazing!
>> From: jeffclark at gmail.com
>> To: celtics at igtc.com
>>
>> this is not the end of the end
>> we may be past the begining of the end
>> if I had to guess, I'd say we are in the middle of the end
>> but it is not the end of the end
>>
>> we can still win a title in these end times, but we are at the mercy of 
>> the
>> injuries which will occur more often for guys this age and could strike 
>> at
>> any time
>>
>> -- 
>> Jeff
>> CelticsBlog.com
>> doughnutholes.wordpress.com
>>_______________________________________________
>> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> celtics at igtc.com
>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
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From tsb33 at windstream.net  Tue Dec 29 23:03:58 2009
From: tsb33 at windstream.net (TroySusieBrady)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:03:58 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <286215.90327.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <8CC56D2473FC5DE-3F44-29A46@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com>
	<286215.90327.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <01cc01ca88db$33f96c40$6401a8c0@troyscomputer>

Ryan, have to agree with you 100% here especially about Docs creativaty "or
refusal to play young players!"

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
Of Ryan W
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:34 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Amazing!

Doug:

Hudson just has 'it'.  He's a gamer, with the ability to create his own
shot, hit a three, and get to the rim.  He can also dribble decently and
defend at a pretty high level (for a rookie).  He has a inner maturity due
to his long and winding road to the League.  He's a hard worker.  So, yeah,
I like him and I think he'll get a chance in January/February, just like
late-bloomer late-round rooks such as Powe or Gomes...

But just thinking back to last season, Eddie House didn't explode and have a
career year until TA got hurt and Gabe was moved into the point guard spot
and House moved off-the-ball.  You can't tell me Hudson can't match what
Pruitt brought last season, something that amounted to bringing the ball up,
playing decent defense and getting out of the way.

I love what TA is doing; however, he's a 2/3.  Him and House aren't a fit
because both of their games suffer the more they're counted on to facilitate
the offense.  Again, this points to developing Hudson's role on this team,
so as to bring out the best in House and TA.  Hudson's probably big enough
to guard most reserve 2s, making a House/Hudson backcourt feasible in terms
of defensive matchups.

Doc is not only missing the boat on Hudson; he's also stubbornly playing
Scal at back up 3 when Walker could do just as well, while also matching up
physically and possibly getting some hustle buckets in the process,
something Scal is unable to do.  Doc is just terrible when it comes to
creatively using his end-of-the-bench players in wildcard scenarios where
their talents might actually impact the outcome of a game.

Ryan
--- On Tue, 12/29/09, douglas342 at aol.com <douglas342 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: douglas342 at aol.com <douglas342 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:14 PM Ellie (and other Hudson
> backers):? is your support for Hudson due to what you know or think he
> can do?? Or on the theory (not a bad one, mind you) that he must be
> better than using Eddie at backup point?? BUT I just checked the team
> website, and guess who's going to Maine again?? Yup, one Hudson.
>
> Looks like Davis (ankle sprain) is out for a while, although Tony is
> looking awfully good.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:04 am
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
>
>
> yeah, wha happened?? ?I saw the 1st qtr when Rondo and Ray were on a
> mission to make up for the clippers game - they absolutely rocked!
> ?Then I wake up this AM
> to see they lost? ?I love Tony and Rondo on the floor together.
> If they aren't playing Hudson, then the sub patterns stink, imho ; )
> Ellie
>
> --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:26 PM
>
> I think we have the talent to beat just about anybody, even without
> Paul, but we really have to play well. And the best players have to be
> out on the floor. Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the
> substitution patterns?
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
>
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From noah.evans at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 23:05:39 2009
From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:05:39 +0100
Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
In-Reply-To: <DBF2140C67324C919E438ABBA414D6D6@JoshPC>
References: <364899.19918.qm@web110114.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<DBF2140C67324C919E438ABBA414D6D6@JoshPC>
Message-ID: <56a297000912291505w28b464c4sf2078d2fecb51bde@mail.gmail.com>

Ray is human and he needs to be loved. Just like everybody else does.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:
> Are you high??
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:57 PM
> To: "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>; "Echo Chamber"
> <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
>
>> For all you Perk Zombies, that was an embarrassing destruction of Perkins
>> (and Garnett too) by Kaman, whom if he is on the market, Ainge should not
>> hesitate to offer Perkins and expirings for him. Kaman would be fantastic on
>> this team, providing the Celtics with a legitimate low post scorer, which
>> they currently lack, and a rebounder. He would be their best center since
>> Cowens. Yes, I would rate Kaman slightly ahead of Parish at the moment, and
>> I'd have no problem with a Ray and Davis for Davis and Kaman deal, with the
>> Celtics playing Davis next to Rondo.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> celtics at igtc.com
>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>>
>
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Tue Dec 29 23:40:54 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:40:54 +0000
Subject: Amazing!
In-Reply-To: <01cc01ca88db$33f96c40$6401a8c0@troyscomputer>
References: <8CC56D2473FC5DE-3F44-29A46@webmail-d100.sysops.aol.com><286215.90327.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><01cc01ca88db$33f96c40$6401a8c0@troyscomputer>
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Hudson has been inactiive with walker active, at least on sunday. Didn't see him last night either. Tony looks healthy but has no perimeter game. Him and rondo are not a perimeter threat to anyone 
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-----Original Message-----
From: "TroySusieBrady" <tsb33 at windstream.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:03:58 
To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: RE: Amazing!

Ryan, have to agree with you 100% here especially about Docs creativaty "or
refusal to play young players!"

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf
Of Ryan W
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:34 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Amazing!

Doug:

Hudson just has 'it'.  He's a gamer, with the ability to create his own
shot, hit a three, and get to the rim.  He can also dribble decently and
defend at a pretty high level (for a rookie).  He has a inner maturity due
to his long and winding road to the League.  He's a hard worker.  So, yeah,
I like him and I think he'll get a chance in January/February, just like
late-bloomer late-round rooks such as Powe or Gomes...

But just thinking back to last season, Eddie House didn't explode and have a
career year until TA got hurt and Gabe was moved into the point guard spot
and House moved off-the-ball.  You can't tell me Hudson can't match what
Pruitt brought last season, something that amounted to bringing the ball up,
playing decent defense and getting out of the way.

I love what TA is doing; however, he's a 2/3.  Him and House aren't a fit
because both of their games suffer the more they're counted on to facilitate
the offense.  Again, this points to developing Hudson's role on this team,
so as to bring out the best in House and TA.  Hudson's probably big enough
to guard most reserve 2s, making a House/Hudson backcourt feasible in terms
of defensive matchups.

Doc is not only missing the boat on Hudson; he's also stubbornly playing
Scal at back up 3 when Walker could do just as well, while also matching up
physically and possibly getting some hustle buckets in the process,
something Scal is unable to do.  Doc is just terrible when it comes to
creatively using his end-of-the-bench players in wildcard scenarios where
their talents might actually impact the outcome of a game.

Ryan
--- On Tue, 12/29/09, douglas342 at aol.com <douglas342 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: douglas342 at aol.com <douglas342 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:14 PM Ellie (and other Hudson
> backers):? is your support for Hudson due to what you know or think he
> can do?? Or on the theory (not a bad one, mind you) that he must be
> better than using Eddie at backup point?? BUT I just checked the team
> website, and guess who's going to Maine again?? Yup, one Hudson.
>
> Looks like Davis (ankle sprain) is out for a while, although Tony is
> looking awfully good.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:04 am
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
>
>
> yeah, wha happened?? ?I saw the 1st qtr when Rondo and Ray were on a
> mission to make up for the clippers game - they absolutely rocked!
> ?Then I wake up this AM
> to see they lost? ?I love Tony and Rondo on the floor together.
> If they aren't playing Hudson, then the sub patterns stink, imho ; )
> Ellie
>
> --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:26 PM
>
> I think we have the talent to beat just about anybody, even without
> Paul, but we really have to play well. And the best players have to be
> out on the floor. Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the
> substitution patterns?
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> celtics at igtc.com
> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
>
>
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From jlyell at verizon.net  Tue Dec 29 23:43:30 2009
From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 23:43:30 +0000
Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
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Our List arsonist , toss a molatov  and see what  happens  :)
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-----Original Message-----
From: Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 00:05:39 
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: Re: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet

Ray is human and he needs to be loved. Just like everybody else does.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:
> Are you high??
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:57 PM
> To: "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>; "Echo Chamber"
> <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
>
>> For all you Perk Zombies, that was an embarrassing destruction of Perkins
>> (and Garnett too) by Kaman, whom if he is on the market, Ainge should not
>> hesitate to offer Perkins and expirings for him. Kaman would be fantastic on
>> this team, providing the Celtics with a legitimate low post scorer, which
>> they currently lack, and a rebounder. He would be their best center since
>> Cowens. Yes, I would rate Kaman slightly ahead of Parish at the moment, and
>> I'd have no problem with a Ray and Davis for Davis and Kaman deal, with the
>> Celtics playing Davis next to Rondo.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From douglas342 at aol.com  Wed Dec 30 00:48:48 2009
From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:48:48 -0500
Subject: Amazing!
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Rondo is like a football team: he may not have much of a running 
(scoring) game, but he's getting just enough of one to make the other 
team defend him. Also, he is much more likely this year to take a shot 
than he has been in the past. This is good.


-----Original Message-----
From: John Lyell <jlyell at verizon.net>
To: Celtics <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 3:40 pm
Subject: Re: Amazing!


Hudson has been inactiive with walker active, at least on sunday. 
Didn't see him
last night either. Tony looks healthy but has no perimeter game. Him 
and rondo
are not a perimeter threat to anyone
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: "TroySusieBrady" <tsb33 at windstream.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 18:03:58
To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List'<celtics at igtc.com>
Subject: RE: Amazing!

Ryan, have to agree with you 100% here especially about Docs creativaty 
"or
refusal to play young players!"

-----Original Message-----
 From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On 
Behalf
Of Ryan W
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 2:34 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: Re: Amazing!

Doug:

Hudson just has 'it'. He's a gamer, with the ability to create his own
shot, hit a three, and get to the rim. He can also dribble decently and
defend at a pretty high level (for a rookie). He has a inner maturity 
due
to his long and winding road to the League. He's a hard worker. So, 
yeah,
I like him and I think he'll get a chance in January/February, just like
late-bloomer late-round rooks such as Powe or Gomes...

But just thinking back to last season, Eddie House didn't explode and 
have a
career year until TA got hurt and Gabe was moved into the point guard 
spot
and House moved off-the-ball. You can't tell me Hudson can't match what
Pruitt brought last season, something that amounted to bringing the 
ball up,
playing decent defense and getting out of the way.

I love what TA is doing; however, he's a 2/3. Him and House aren't a fit
because both of their games suffer the more they're counted on to 
facilitate
the offense. Again, this points to developing Hudson's role on this 
team,
so as to bring out the best in House and TA. Hudson's probably big 
enough
to guard most reserve 2s, making a House/Hudson backcourt feasible in 
terms
of defensive matchups.

Doc is not only missing the boat on Hudson; he's also stubbornly playing
Scal at back up 3 when Walker could do just as well, while also 
matching up
physically and possibly getting some hustle buckets in the process,
something Scal is unable to do. Doc is just terrible when it comes to
creatively using his end-of-the-bench players in wildcard scenarios 
where
their talents might actually impact the outcome of a game.

Ryan
--- On Tue, 12/29/09, douglas342 at aol.com <douglas342 at aol.com> wrote:

> From: douglas342 at aol.com <douglas342 at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:14 PM Ellie (and other Hudson
> backers):? is your support for Hudson due to what you know or think he
> can do?? Or on the theory (not a bad one, mind you) that he must be
> better than using Eddie at backup point?? BUT I just checked the team
> website, and guess who's going to Maine again?? Yup, one Hudson.
>
> Looks like Davis (ankle sprain) is out for a while, although Tony is
> looking awfully good.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ellie Cutler <ellie.cutler at yahoo.com>
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 11:04 am
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
>
>
> yeah, wha happened?? ?I saw the 1st qtr when Rondo and Ray were on a
> mission to make up for the clippers game - they absolutely rocked!
> ?Then I wake up this AM
> to see they lost? ?I love Tony and Rondo on the floor together.
> If they aren't playing Hudson, then the sub patterns stink, imho ; )
> Ellie
>
> --- On Tue, 12/29/09, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> wrote:
>
> From: Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> Subject: Re: Amazing!
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 1:26 PM
>
> I think we have the talent to beat just about anybody, even without
> Paul, but we really have to play well. And the best players have to be
> out on the floor. Didn't see yesterday's game; how were the
> substitution patterns?
>
>
>
>
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From stevebknight at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 30 03:54:41 2009
From: stevebknight at yahoo.com (steve knight)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:54:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: rondo, tony and hudson
In-Reply-To: <mailman.445.1262130071.2156.celtics@igtc.com>
References: <mailman.445.1262130071.2156.celtics@igtc.com>
Message-ID: <195640.7412.qm@web37405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

ryan, 

have to agree with you here on rondo. i'm not sure i'd trade rondo for any other point guard in the league, including chris paul. he has faults, but he's uniquely talented and has a perfect pg disposition. 

for the most part, love what tony's been giving us. you and i are two of the few who've stuck with tony over the years. i like the guy and think this could be the year he gives us something consistently solid off the bench, as well as being a great full-time player when pierce and allen need to rest. he and rondo are a menace in the backcourt. he needs confidence in his mid-range shot, but i think that is coming.  

on hudson, not sure i can agree with you on him being ready, though i'm perfectly willing to put him out there to see what he can do. i've noticed a shaky handle when he's played, though he seems to be able to shoot and pass a bit. i just think he'd be outmatched by a good backup point. the coaches obviously think so, too. he has promise, but thinking he'll be an adequate backup pg this year is asking too much. i'd love to be wrong. in any case, i agree that we should see more of giddens, walker, hudson and shelton in the mix so we can see what we have and get their confidence up. 

looking forward to the phoenix game. they always play us tough. 


Message: 20
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 11:24:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Celtics Title Hopes In A Coma, I Know, I Know, It's
    Serious
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Playing back-to-back on the road against young athletic teams while missing 2 of your top 7 players = trouble.  Throw in a conservative coach with about zero creativity who is forced to improvise lineups on the fly and there will be problems.

Meanwhile, Rondo shows that if the talent around him diminishes, he's more than able to raise his scoring to make up the diff..  And to think that just last season people were arguing that Devin Harris was the better player!  Rondo could average 20 and 10 just like D-Williams or Chris Paul if that was the kind of team we had...yet, since we have a better team, idiots say a post Big-3 future is doomed.  Yeah, right.  We have the best all-around point guard in the game...

Ryan


      


From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au  Wed Dec 30 10:33:06 2009
From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 02:33:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: Season's Greetings...
Message-ID: <181192.80686.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

...from Egypt!

Oh, and here's hoping for Banner #18 next year!

:)



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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Wed Dec 30 15:11:46 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:11:46 -0500
Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
In-Reply-To: <DBF2140C67324C919E438ABBA414D6D6@JoshPC>
Message-ID: <20091230101146.WDFEO.81660.imail@eastrmwml31>

He always is.
---- Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote: 
> Are you high??
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:57 PM
> To: "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>; "Echo Chamber" 
> <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
> 
> > For all you Perk Zombies, that was an embarrassing destruction of Perkins 
> > (and Garnett too) by Kaman, whom if he is on the market, Ainge should not 
> > hesitate to offer Perkins and expirings for him. Kaman would be fantastic 
> > on this team, providing the Celtics with a legitimate low post scorer, 
> > which they currently lack, and a rebounder. He would be their best center 
> > since Cowens. Yes, I would rate Kaman slightly ahead of Parish at the 
> > moment, and I'd have no problem with a Ray and Davis for Davis and Kaman 
> > deal, with the Celtics playing Davis next to Rondo.
> >
> > Ray
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
> > 
> 
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From davidp4660 at cox.net  Wed Dec 30 15:13:37 2009
From: davidp4660 at cox.net (davidp4660 at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 10:13:37 -0500
Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
In-Reply-To: <56a297000912291505w28b464c4sf2078d2fecb51bde@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091230101337.T7NG3.81688.imail@eastrmwml31>

Then let the Clippers give him the love he needs.  He won't find much on a Celtics' board.
---- Noah Evans <noah.evans at gmail.com> wrote: 
> Ray is human and he needs to be loved. Just like everybody else does.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:01 PM, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:
> > Are you high??
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "Way Of The Ray" <wayoftheray at yahoo.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 3:57 PM
> > To: "Celtics Are Idiots List" <celtics at igtc.com>; "Echo Chamber"
> > <celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Chris Kaman Is Still Finding Chunks Of Perk In His Toilet
> >
> >> For all you Perk Zombies, that was an embarrassing destruction of Perkins
> >> (and Garnett too) by Kaman, whom if he is on the market, Ainge should not
> >> hesitate to offer Perkins and expirings for him. Kaman would be fantastic on
> >> this team, providing the Celtics with a legitimate low post scorer, which
> >> they currently lack, and a rebounder. He would be their best center since
> >> Cowens. Yes, I would rate Kaman slightly ahead of Parish at the moment, and
> >> I'd have no problem with a Ray and Davis for Davis and Kaman deal, with the
> >> Celtics playing Davis next to Rondo.
> >>
> >> Ray
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> >> celtics at igtc.com
> >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
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> >
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From wayoftheray at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 30 15:37:51 2009
From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:37:51 -0800 (PST)
Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
Message-ID: <241705.61829.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

And you know who else would like to see Davis away?

Why, Wyc Grousbeck of course.

I always thought Wyc's 180 degree turn, from wanting to go Joe Pesci 
in Goodfellas on Glen for screwing up yet again to "Oh, alright
you can hang with the team while injured and all is forgiven," was
essentially to keep Davis' trade value as high as possible.

It will be interesting to see if Davis is still with the club
after the trading deadline.

Will teams like the Pistons and Blazers still be interested in him,
if he is hobbled for the rest of the season?

Ray


      


From cecilw45 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 30 15:51:09 2009
From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:51:09 -0400
Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
In-Reply-To: <241705.61829.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <241705.61829.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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This is why I know that Ray is not Egg.  Egg would never stoop to mention such a revolting organization as the Klan on this list.  I am very offended by this post and am glad that I do not have the opportunity to meet this punk in person.  There's plenty of places on the net to post racist crap.  This is not one of them IMHO.

 

Cecil (thought this this list was about basketball)

 


 
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:37:51 -0800
> From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com
> Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
> To: celtics at igtc.com; celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com
> 
> And you know who else would like to see Davis away?
> 
> Why, Wyc Grousbeck of course.
> 
> I always thought Wyc's 180 degree turn, from wanting to go Joe Pesci 
> in Goodfellas on Glen for screwing up yet again to "Oh, alright
> you can hang with the team while injured and all is forgiven," was
> essentially to keep Davis' trade value as high as possible.
> 
> It will be interesting to see if Davis is still with the club
> after the trading deadline.
> 
> Will teams like the Pistons and Blazers still be interested in him,
> if he is hobbled for the rest of the season?
> 
> Ray
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From shizzjr at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 30 16:06:44 2009
From: shizzjr at hotmail.com (Shawn Niles)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:06:44 -0500
Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
In-Reply-To: <BAY128-W9216417104B0348268B46D9790@phx.gbl>
References: <241705.61829.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<BAY128-W9216417104B0348268B46D9790@phx.gbl>
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Yea, I don't even get the KKK reference. I read that a few different times trying to figure out why it must be the KKK who took Baby...  but I can't figure out what Ray meant by that one.
 
> From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: RE: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:51:09 -0400
> 
> 
> This is why I know that Ray is not Egg. Egg would never stoop to mention such a revolting organization as the Klan on this list. I am very offended by this post and am glad that I do not have the opportunity to meet this punk in person. There's plenty of places on the net to post racist crap. This is not one of them IMHO.
> 
> 
> 
> Cecil (thought this this list was about basketball)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:37:51 -0800
> > From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com
> > Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
> > To: celtics at igtc.com; celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com
> > 
> > And you know who else would like to see Davis away?
> > 
> > Why, Wyc Grousbeck of course.
> > 
> > I always thought Wyc's 180 degree turn, from wanting to go Joe Pesci 
> > in Goodfellas on Glen for screwing up yet again to "Oh, alright
> > you can hang with the team while injured and all is forgiven," was
> > essentially to keep Davis' trade value as high as possible.
> > 
> > It will be interesting to see if Davis is still with the club
> > after the trading deadline.
> > 
> > Will teams like the Pistons and Blazers still be interested in him,
> > if he is hobbled for the rest of the season?
> > 
> > Ray
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > celtics at igtc.com
> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics
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From Eric at EricAlbert.net  Wed Dec 30 16:09:29 2009
From: Eric at EricAlbert.net (Eric Albert)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:09:29 -0500
Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
In-Reply-To: <BAY111-W6CC49E939C8C7A831AA69A5790@phx.gbl>
References: <241705.61829.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>,
	<BAY128-W9216417104B0348268B46D9790@phx.gbl>
	<BAY111-W6CC49E939C8C7A831AA69A5790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1262189369.1756.1352272767@webmail.messagingengine.com>

It's just a random pop culture reference. I wouldn't call it offensive,
just dumb:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_KKK_Took_My_Baby_Away

-- Eric

On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:06:44 -0500, "Shawn Niles" <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
said:
> 
> Yea, I don't even get the KKK reference. I read that a few different
> times trying to figure out why it must be the KKK who took Baby...  but I
> can't figure out what Ray meant by that one.
>  
> > From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com
> > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > Subject: RE: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
> > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:51:09 -0400
> > 
> > 
> > This is why I know that Ray is not Egg. Egg would never stoop to mention such a revolting organization as the Klan on this list. I am very offended by this post and am glad that I do not have the opportunity to meet this punk in person. There's plenty of places on the net to post racist crap. This is not one of them IMHO.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Cecil (thought this this list was about basketball)
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:37:51 -0800
> > > From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com
> > > Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com; celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com
> > > 
> > > And you know who else would like to see Davis away?
> > > 
> > > Why, Wyc Grousbeck of course.
> > > 
> > > I always thought Wyc's 180 degree turn, from wanting to go Joe Pesci 
> > > in Goodfellas on Glen for screwing up yet again to "Oh, alright
> > > you can hang with the team while injured and all is forgiven," was
> > > essentially to keep Davis' trade value as high as possible.
> > > 
> > > It will be interesting to see if Davis is still with the club
> > > after the trading deadline.
> > > 
> > > Will teams like the Pistons and Blazers still be interested in him,
> > > if he is hobbled for the rest of the season?
> > > 
> > > Ray
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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From hartleyo at bellsouth.net  Wed Dec 30 16:14:06 2009
From: hartleyo at bellsouth.net (hartleyo at bellsouth.net)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:14:06 -0500
Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
References: <241705.61829.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<BAY128-W9216417104B0348268B46D9790@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8F52E07DE4664BB997114C8A7F4024DD@D2F52Z11>

Cecil you are 100% right. It is unfortunate we have to put up with some of 
thes idiots, it just boils down to you "CAN'T TEACH STUPID"

Hart

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cecil Wright" <cecilw45 at hotmail.com>
To: <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away


>
> This is why I know that Ray is not Egg.  Egg would never stoop to mention 
> such a revolting organization as the Klan on this list.  I am very 
> offended by this post and am glad that I do not have the opportunity to 
> meet this punk in person.  There's plenty of places on the net to post 
> racist crap.  This is not one of them IMHO.
>
>
>
> Cecil (thought this this list was about basketball)
>
>
>
>
>
>> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:37:51 -0800
>> From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com
>> Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
>> To: celtics at igtc.com; celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com
>>
>> And you know who else would like to see Davis away?
>>
>> Why, Wyc Grousbeck of course.
>>
>> I always thought Wyc's 180 degree turn, from wanting to go Joe Pesci
>> in Goodfellas on Glen for screwing up yet again to "Oh, alright
>> you can hang with the team while injured and all is forgiven," was
>> essentially to keep Davis' trade value as high as possible.
>>
>> It will be interesting to see if Davis is still with the club
>> after the trading deadline.
>>
>> Will teams like the Pistons and Blazers still be interested in him,
>> if he is hobbled for the rest of the season?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From cecilw45 at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 30 16:16:01 2009
From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 12:16:01 -0400
Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
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As someone who lost more than a few ancestors to tactics employed by the Klan, I find it offensive.  You can call it what you want.

 

Cecil


 
> From: Eric at EricAlbert.net
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: RE: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:09:29 -0500
> 
> It's just a random pop culture reference. I wouldn't call it offensive,
> just dumb:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_KKK_Took_My_Baby_Away
> 
> -- Eric
> 
> On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:06:44 -0500, "Shawn Niles" <shizzjr at hotmail.com>
> said:
> > 
> > Yea, I don't even get the KKK reference. I read that a few different
> > times trying to figure out why it must be the KKK who took Baby... but I
> > can't figure out what Ray meant by that one.
> > 
> > > From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com
> > > To: celtics at igtc.com
> > > Subject: RE: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
> > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:51:09 -0400
> > > 
> > > 
> > > This is why I know that Ray is not Egg. Egg would never stoop to mention such a revolting organization as the Klan on this list. I am very offended by this post and am glad that I do not have the opportunity to meet this punk in person. There's plenty of places on the net to post racist crap. This is not one of them IMHO.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Cecil (thought this this list was about basketball)
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:37:51 -0800
> > > > From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com
> > > > Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
> > > > To: celtics at igtc.com; celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com
> > > > 
> > > > And you know who else would like to see Davis away?
> > > > 
> > > > Why, Wyc Grousbeck of course.
> > > > 
> > > > I always thought Wyc's 180 degree turn, from wanting to go Joe Pesci 
> > > > in Goodfellas on Glen for screwing up yet again to "Oh, alright
> > > > you can hang with the team while injured and all is forgiven," was
> > > > essentially to keep Davis' trade value as high as possible.
> > > > 
> > > > It will be interesting to see if Davis is still with the club
> > > > after the trading deadline.
> > > > 
> > > > Will teams like the Pistons and Blazers still be interested in him,
> > > > if he is hobbled for the rest of the season?
> > > > 
> > > > Ray
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
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From shizzjr at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 30 16:26:42 2009
From: shizzjr at hotmail.com (Shawn Niles)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:26:42 -0500
Subject: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
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	<1262189369.1756.1352272767@webmail.messagingengine.com>
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Ahh...  I knew my lack of interest in The Ramones would come back to bite me in the ass someday...

 
> From: Eric at EricAlbert.net
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: RE: The KKK Took Big Baby Away... They Took Him Away
> Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 11:09:29 -0500
>