From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 11:38:05 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 04:38:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Alteration for another title Message-ID: <914162.42708.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It appears we may have to fight for #18 without KG.? At best, we face the possibility that his role in the playoffs will be greatly reduced.? My approach would be this: Switch our off and on up-tempo offense to an all-out fast break approach.? We will need help from Davis and Powe plus Moore and Pierce to command the defensive boards and spark the break.? We will need Marbury and Tony to fit their talents into such an approach.? That means significant minutes for both.? We would reap the benefit of tempo control, of draining the energy of the opponent, of stripping away their ability to wear us down in the half-court where height advantages over Davis/Powe might be crucial.? It would utilize the speed and decision making of Rondo as well as Marbury, the set-up shooting of Allen and House, the ability of Pierce to drive before the defense is ready--it just provides us with so many advantages while hiding our weaknesses that derive from KG's loss.? Mainly, it would give us the initiative rather than accepting the kind of game that has us waiting for and dreading a surge by the likes of Lebron or Kobe.? We have a talented ten man team--use them.? Run to victory!? Cheers, Gene From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Wed Apr 1 13:20:14 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 09:20:14 -0400 Subject: Alteration for another title In-Reply-To: <914162.42708.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <914162.42708.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200904011320.n31DKIsv009892@artemis.afrc.af.mil> Nice idea, but it won't work in the playoffs as oft proven by the run n gun Phoenix teams that could pour in points, but couldn't stop anyone from pouring their own. Given the foul disadvantage we're also bound to have slowing the game even further - without the defense (which wins..well, you know) of KG this team is a 2nd round out. It is what it is - injuries happen. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM To: celtics Subject: Alteration for another title It appears we may have to fight for #18 without KG.? At best, we face the possibility that his role in the playoffs will be greatly reduced.? My approach would be this: Switch our off and on up-tempo offense to an all-out fast break approach.? We will need help from Davis and Powe plus Moore and Pierce to command the defensive boards and spark the break.? We will need Marbury and Tony to fit their talents into such an approach.? That means significant minutes for both.? We would reap the benefit of tempo control, of draining the energy of the opponent, of stripping away their ability to wear us down in the half-court where height advantages over Davis/Powe might be crucial.? It would utilize the speed and decision making of Rondo as well as Marbury, the set-up shooting of Allen and House, the ability of Pierce to drive before the defense is ready--it just provides us with so many advantages while hiding our weaknesses that derive from KG's loss.? Mainly, it would give us the initiative rather than accepting the kind of game that has us waiting for and dreading a surge by the likes of Lebron or Kobe.? We have a talented ten man team--use them.? Run to victory!? Cheers, Gene _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 14:33:56 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 07:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Alteration for another title In-Reply-To: <914162.42708.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <875679.38248.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> It's probably too late in the season to undertake such a transformation. Good thought, though. To me, we're an offensive team without KG and I think that kind of team can probably get through rounds 1 and 2...but we'll need KG playing well and jelling with the first unit (and playing Celtic defense) to take down the Cavs...so I'd try to work his comeback into such a timeline...I would attempt to limit his playoff minutes to about 20-25 a night until the Cleveland series, where'd I'd ramp them to about 30...I still believe even a less than 100% KG is still enough to get another championship...though it does make our margin of error pretty razor thin... Guys like Rondo, Perk, Baby, Powe, House, and Marbury still have some sizeable chips on their shoulders...the kind of dire predictions following in the wake of KG's latest injury setback may be the best motivation out there...each and every one of those players need to play better than they did last season in the playoffs (and each should be able to, with the exception of Powe, whose knee might be an issue)...and then through in some wildcard moments from Tony, Walker, and Moore...and gut-check superstar moments from the big 3...and I think we have a shot...but the whole team needs to step up and rally around this injury. And we can't suffer another major injury the rest of the way... Ryan --- On Wed, 4/1/09, gene kirkpatrick wrote: > From: gene kirkpatrick > Subject: Alteration for another title > To: "celtics" > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 6:38 AM > It appears we may have to fight for #18 without KG.? At > best, we face the possibility that his role in the playoffs > will be greatly reduced.? My approach would be this: > > Switch our off and on up-tempo offense to an all-out fast > break approach.? We will need help from Davis and Powe plus > Moore and Pierce to command the defensive boards and spark > the break.? We will need Marbury and Tony to fit their > talents into such an approach.? That means significant > minutes for both.? We would reap the benefit of tempo > control, of draining the energy of the opponent, of > stripping away their ability to wear us down in the > half-court where height advantages over Davis/Powe might be > crucial.? It would utilize the speed and decision making of > Rondo as well as Marbury, the set-up shooting of Allen and > House, the ability of Pierce to drive before the defense is > ready--it just provides us with so many advantages while > hiding our weaknesses that derive from KG's loss.? > Mainly, it would give us the initiative rather than > accepting the kind of game that has us waiting for and > dreading a surge by the likes of Lebron or Kobe.? We have a > talented ten man team--use them.? Run to victory!? > Cheers, Gene > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 17:15:05 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:15:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Alteration for another title Message-ID: <162796.69590.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Except that Phoenix didn't really worry about defense; they just ran from all angles.? I think it's possible to blend the two as the Celtics of old--Cousy, Tiny.? And I do expect we will be more up-tempo sans KG, though I don't expect the all out cavalry assault. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Subject: RE: Alteration for another title To: celtics at igtc.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:20 AM Nice idea, but it won't work in the playoffs as oft proven by the run n gun Phoenix teams that could pour in points, but couldn't stop anyone from pouring their own. Given the foul disadvantage we're also bound to have slowing the game even further - without the defense (which wins..well, you know) of KG this team is a 2nd round out.? It is what it is - injuries happen. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM To: celtics Subject: Alteration for another title It appears we may have to fight for #18 without KG.? At best, we face the possibility that his role in the playoffs will be greatly reduced.? My approach would be this: Switch our off and on up-tempo offense to an all-out fast break approach.? We will need help from Davis and Powe plus Moore and Pierce to command the defensive boards and spark the break.? We will need Marbury and Tony to fit their talents into such an approach.? That means significant minutes for both.? We would reap the benefit of tempo control, of draining the energy of the opponent, of stripping away their ability to wear us down in the half-court where height advantages over Davis/Powe might be crucial.? It would utilize the speed and decision making of Rondo as well as Marbury, the set-up shooting of Allen and House, the ability of Pierce to drive before the defense is ready--it just provides us with so many advantages while hiding our weaknesses that derive from KG's loss.? Mainly, it would give us the initiative rather than accepting the kind of game that has us waiting for and dreading a surge by the likes of Lebron or Kobe.? We have a talented ten man team--use them.? Run to victory!? Cheers, Gene ? ? ? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Wed Apr 1 17:19:34 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 13:19:34 -0400 Subject: Alteration for another title In-Reply-To: <162796.69590.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <162796.69590.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200904011719.n31HJbu9005376@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> And I think that proves my point. Defensively, Baby and Powe are good matchups against most second teamers and for short stints against the first teamers, but out on an island, in the playoffs versus the Wallaces, Howards, and Ilguskases of the East they'll get shredded both by lack of height (Wallace and Z can shoot open jumpers all night long because of their length vs those two) or at the foul line (Both Baby and Powe are not...let's say judicious with their hacks). I love your optimism, I just have a hard time sharing it in this particular circumstance. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:15 PM To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Subject: RE: Alteration for another title Except that Phoenix didn't really worry about defense; they just ran from all angles.? I think it's possible to blend the two as the Celtics of old--Cousy, Tiny.? And I do expect we will be more up-tempo sans KG, though I don't expect the all out cavalry assault. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Subject: RE: Alteration for another title To: celtics at igtc.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:20 AM Nice idea, but it won't work in the playoffs as oft proven by the run n gun Phoenix teams that could pour in points, but couldn't stop anyone from pouring their own. Given the foul disadvantage we're also bound to have slowing the game even further - without the defense (which wins..well, you know) of KG this team is a 2nd round out.? It is what it is - injuries happen. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM To: celtics Subject: Alteration for another title It appears we may have to fight for #18 without KG.? At best, we face the possibility that his role in the playoffs will be greatly reduced.? My approach would be this: Switch our off and on up-tempo offense to an all-out fast break approach.? We will need help from Davis and Powe plus Moore and Pierce to command the defensive boards and spark the break.? We will need Marbury and Tony to fit their talents into such an approach.? That means significant minutes for both.? We would reap the benefit of tempo control, of draining the energy of the opponent, of stripping away their ability to wear us down in the half-court where height advantages over Davis/Powe might be crucial.? It would utilize the speed and decision making of Rondo as well as Marbury, the set-up shooting of Allen and House, the ability of Pierce to drive before the defense is ready--it just provides us with so many advantages while hiding our weaknesses that derive from KG's loss.? Mainly, it would give us the initiative rather than accepting the kind of game that has us waiting for and dreading a surge by the likes of Lebron or Kobe.? We have a talented ten man team--use them.? Run to victory!? Cheers, Gene ? ? ? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Wed Apr 1 17:31:10 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:31:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Alteration for another title Message-ID: <512609.50266.qm@web63802.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I actually think Phoenix *could* have won a championship in the last few years, they were definitely better than the '06 Miami Heat and almost better than the Spurs in '05 and '07. D'Antoni's system is quite revolutionary and he's gonna have another shot at a championship in New York. Hopefully we'll be there to stop them :) --- Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: And I think that proves my point. Defensively, Baby and Powe are good matchups against most second teamers and for short stints against the first teamers, but out on an island, in the playoffs versus the Wallaces, Howards, and Ilguskases of the East they'll get shredded both by lack of height (Wallace and Z can shoot open jumpers all night long because of their length vs those two) or at the foul line (Both Baby and Powe are not...let's say judicious with their hacks). I love your optimism, I just have a hard time sharing it in this particular circumstance. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 1:15 PM To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Subject: RE: Alteration for another title Except that Phoenix didn't really worry about defense; they just ran from all angles. I think it's possible to blend the two as the Celtics of old--Cousy, Tiny. And I do expect we will be more up-tempo sans KG, though I don't expect the all out cavalry assault. --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Subject: RE: Alteration for another title To: celtics at igtc.com Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 8:20 AM Nice idea, but it won't work in the playoffs as oft proven by the run n gun Phoenix teams that could pour in points, but couldn't stop anyone from pouring their own. Given the foul disadvantage we're also bound to have slowing the game even further - without the defense (which wins..well, you know) of KG this team is a 2nd round out. It is what it is - injuries happen. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of gene kirkpatrick Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 7:38 AM To: celtics Subject: Alteration for another title It appears we may have to fight for #18 without KG. At best, we face the possibility that his role in the playoffs will be greatly reduced. My approach would be this: Switch our off and on up-tempo offense to an all-out fast break approach. We will need help from Davis and Powe plus Moore and Pierce to command the defensive boards and spark the break. We will need Marbury and Tony to fit their talents into such an approach. That means significant minutes for both. We would reap the benefit of tempo control, of draining the energy of the opponent, of stripping away their ability to wear us down in the half-court where height advantages over Davis/Powe might be crucial. It would utilize the speed and decision making of Rondo as well as Marbury, the set-up shooting of Allen and House, the ability of Pierce to drive before the defense is ready--it just provides us with so many advantages while hiding our weaknesses that derive from KG's loss. Mainly, it would give us the initiative rather than accepting the kind of game that has us waiting for and dreading a surge by the likes of Lebron or Kobe. We have a talented ten man team--use them. Run to victory! Cheers, Gene _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From eggcentric at aol.com Wed Apr 1 17:34:52 2009 From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:34:52 -0400 Subject: Perk Message-ID: <063D80FC.9E93.4E86.B787.03E387149108@aol.com> Perk was once considered by this poster as a "good kid," the?future center for the Celts. Although lacking a high IQ/ bball IQ along with his stone-face personality,?he at?least demonstrated a certain amount of potential as?a young non-entity who at least followed instructions and never made a wave. Then when the Big Three arrived on the scene and Perk and Rondo became our other two starters, things changed. ?Mr. long face Perk ?became full of himself, uppity, and hostile. ? If he continues?to be our main center, will his ego/IQ problem only get worse and willhe become?even more?despised by the league?and the refs? Add to that Rondo's sparkling charm, and you have to wonder who will be our future leaders in the post Big Three era.? Have you or their teammates - even their mothers - ever seen either of them smile? ? Egg From noah.evans at gmail.com Wed Apr 1 17:55:57 2009 From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 02:55:57 +0900 Subject: Perk In-Reply-To: <063D80FC.9E93.4E86.B787.03E387149108@aol.com> References: <063D80FC.9E93.4E86.B787.03E387149108@aol.com> Message-ID: <56a297000904011055r1b7b0156te422dc30627c1d9d@mail.gmail.com> People didn't really like Dale Davis either. It didn't stop him from having a long and productive career. I'm not too worried about Perk, unless you have some inside information that I don't. As for Rondo, with his production he can afford to be taciturn. Jokers and "nice guys" are easier to come by than all-star calibar PG's. That said you do have a point, with Leon and Baby being career backups who is our talent base? Are we going to be able to bring in quality FA's after our big three retire? Noah On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 2:34 AM, eggcentric wrote: > Perk was once considered by this poster as a "good kid," the?future center for the Celts. > > Although lacking a high IQ/ bball IQ along with his stone-face personality,?he at?least > demonstrated a certain amount of potential as?a young non-entity who at least followed > instructions and never made a wave. > > Then when the Big Three arrived on the scene and Perk and Rondo became our other two > starters, things changed. ?Mr. long face Perk ?became full of himself, uppity, and hostile. > If he continues?to be our main center, will his ego/IQ problem only get worse and willhe become?even more?despised by the league?and the refs? > > Add to that Rondo's sparkling charm, and you have to wonder who will be our future > leaders in the post Big Three era. > > Have you or their teammates - even their mothers - ever seen either of them smile? > > Egg > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Wed Apr 1 17:56:17 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:56:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Perk In-Reply-To: <063D80FC.9E93.4E86.B787.03E387149108@aol.com> Message-ID: <61250.6059.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Egg, I love Perk's personality and I don't think he's become full of himself or, ahem, the other things you called him that don't seem appropriate to write here in the 21st century. That's how he is...that's how he plays...that's how he mentally prepares himself to get the most out of what he has. He plays mean...and while it's not getting him any extra favors from the officials now...it will eventually once he's older. He has a couple All-Star berths in him, if he's relatively healthy the rest of his career. As for Rondo, what more could you want? The guy is going to be a top-3 point guard before it's all said and done, a multiple All-Star and one of the most unique players in the league. How much leadership can he show right now anyway? He's 23, on a team with 3 future Hall-of-Famers, and he's still getting better. I'm sure when he's 27, a 3 time All-Star, and speaking to some of the younger players on the team, they'll listen. Hell, I've seen him giving Walker a talking to before...he knows what's up, he's just lower on the totem pole right now. Nothing to worry about with him...he is the future of this team. Ryan --- On Wed, 4/1/09, eggcentric wrote: > From: eggcentric > Subject: Perk > To: Celtics at IGTC.com > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:34 PM > Perk was once considered by this poster as a "good > kid," the?future center for the Celts. > > Although lacking a high IQ/ bball IQ along with his > stone-face personality,?he at?least > demonstrated a certain amount of potential as?a young > non-entity who at least followed > instructions and never made a wave. > > Then when the Big Three arrived on the scene and Perk and > Rondo became our other two > starters, things changed. ?Mr. long face Perk ?became > full of himself, uppity, and hostile. ? > If he continues?to be our main center, will his ego/IQ > problem only get worse and willhe become?even > more?despised by the league?and the refs? > > Add to that Rondo's sparkling charm, and you have to > wonder who will be our future > leaders in the post Big Three era.? > > Have you or their teammates - even their mothers - ever > seen either of them smile? ? > > Egg > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From cecilw45 at hotmail.com Wed Apr 1 18:05:03 2009 From: cecilw45 at hotmail.com (Cecil Wright) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 15:05:03 -0300 Subject: Perk In-Reply-To: <61250.6059.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <063D80FC.9E93.4E86.B787.03E387149108@aol.com> <61250.6059.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Add to that, the fact that his offense has come around a little bit and I think Perk has given the team a good, solid effort. He's no star by any means, but he's no chump out there either. Cecil > Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:56:17 -0700 > From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com > Subject: Re: Perk > To: celtics at igtc.com > > > Egg, > > I love Perk's personality and I don't think he's become full of himself or, ahem, the other things you called him that don't seem appropriate to write here in the 21st century. That's how he is...that's how he plays...that's how he mentally prepares himself to get the most out of what he has. He plays mean...and while it's not getting him any extra favors from the officials now...it will eventually once he's older. He has a couple All-Star berths in him, if he's relatively healthy the rest of his career. > > As for Rondo, what more could you want? The guy is going to be a top-3 point guard before it's all said and done, a multiple All-Star and one of the most unique players in the league. How much leadership can he show right now anyway? He's 23, on a team with 3 future Hall-of-Famers, and he's still getting better. I'm sure when he's 27, a 3 time All-Star, and speaking to some of the younger players on the team, they'll listen. Hell, I've seen him giving Walker a talking to before...he knows what's up, he's just lower on the totem pole right now. Nothing to worry about with him...he is the future of this team. > > Ryan > > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, eggcentric wrote: > > > From: eggcentric > > Subject: Perk > > To: Celtics at IGTC.com > > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 12:34 PM > > Perk was once considered by this poster as a "good > > kid," the future center for the Celts. > > > > Although lacking a high IQ/ bball IQ along with his > > stone-face personality, he at least > > demonstrated a certain amount of potential as a young > > non-entity who at least followed > > instructions and never made a wave. > > > > Then when the Big Three arrived on the scene and Perk and > > Rondo became our other two > > starters, things changed. Mr. long face Perk became > > full of himself, uppity, and hostile. > > If he continues to be our main center, will his ego/IQ > > problem only get worse and willhe become even > > more despised by the league and the refs? > > > > Add to that Rondo's sparkling charm, and you have to > > wonder who will be our future > > leaders in the post Big Three era. > > > > Have you or their teammates - even their mothers - ever > > seen either of them smile? > > > > Egg > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _________________________________________________________________ Experience all of the new features, and Reconnect with your life. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650730 From pmm at igtc.com Wed Apr 1 21:21:10 2009 From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M. Moriarty) Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 14:21:10 -0700 Subject: Perk In-Reply-To: References: <063D80FC.9E93.4E86.B787.03E387149108@aol.com> <61250.6059.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <9F92833A-9C8C-49FE-A151-D5EA9E825196@igtc.com> On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Cecil Wright wrote: > > Add to that, the fact that his offense has come around a little bit > and I think Perk has given the team a good, solid effort. He's no > star by any means, but he's no chump out there either. > > Journeyman is the word that comes to mind for me. From douglas342 at aol.com Wed Apr 1 22:15:49 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:15:49 -0400 Subject: Perk In-Reply-To: <9F92833A-9C8C-49FE-A151-D5EA9E825196@igtc.com> References: <063D80FC.9E93.4E86.B787.03E387149108@aol.com><61250.6059.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <9F92833A-9C8C-49FE-A151-D5EA9E825196@igtc.com> Message-ID: <8CB812E8C1E32F0-804-15C9@WEBMAIL-DZ14.sysops.aol.com> "Starting center on the NBA championship team" is the term that comes to MY mind ... -----Original Message----- From: Paul M. Moriarty To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 2:21 pm Subject: Re: Perk On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Cecil Wright wrote:? ? >? > Add to that, the fact that his offense has come around a little bit > and I think Perk has given the team a good, solid effort. He's no > star by any means, but he's no chump out there either.? >? >? ? Journeyman is the word that comes to mind for me. _______________________________________________? The Boston Celtics Mailing List? celtics at igtc.com? http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? From jaims at pldtdsl.net Thu Apr 2 02:55:39 2009 From: jaims at pldtdsl.net (Jaims) Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 10:55:39 +0800 Subject: Perk In-Reply-To: <063D80FC.9E93.4E86.B787.03E387149108@aol.com> Message-ID: We've been asking for the longest time for 'instigators' to pester opponents (not the refs tho), and now we have a legit one, why complain? Sure, we hate his propensity to foul and pick up T's (tho it kinda lessened lately), but Instigators will always be a 'make or break (hurt)' factor to its team, imo. Either it fires up the defensive intensity or hurts them by unnecessary fouls thus giving either extra points or possessions. Either way, a great team always needs a feisty player or two. Perk is one of them now for sure. Last year, Posey was the 2nd 'instigator' of this team... Imo, though lacking in bball IQ or whatever, Perk gives the team some overall balance by his defensive talents. That's what his in there for in the first place. He'll never be the go-to-guy... As long as we have 'main men' in there, Perk will be a perfect compliment role player despite flaws and all. On 4/2/09 1:34 AM, "eggcentric" wrote: > Perk was once considered by this poster as a "good kid," the?future center for > the Celts. > > Although lacking a high IQ/ bball IQ along with his stone-face personality,?he > at?least > demonstrated a certain amount of potential as?a young non-entity who at least > followed > instructions and never made a wave. > > Then when the Big Three arrived on the scene and Perk and Rondo became our > other two > starters, things changed. ?Mr. long face Perk ?became full of himself, uppity, > and hostile. ? > If he continues?to be our main center, will his ego/IQ problem only get worse > and willhe become?even more?despised by the league?and the refs? > > Add to that Rondo's sparkling charm, and you have to wonder who will be our > future > leaders in the post Big Three era.? > > Have you or their teammates - even their mothers - ever seen either of them > smile? ? > > Egg > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 12:19:00 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:19:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Perk In-Reply-To: <9F92833A-9C8C-49FE-A151-D5EA9E825196@igtc.com> Message-ID: <982877.78348.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yeah, and that would be the wrong choice of words. Journeyman need to travel before they become journeyman...Perk's been here 6 years and he's gotten better each year. He's 24, a championship-level starting player, and a candidate for the All-NBA Defensive team (according to several coaches) at the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Get some perspective! Ryan --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Paul M. Moriarty wrote: > From: Paul M. Moriarty > Subject: Re: Perk > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 4:21 PM > On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Cecil Wright wrote: > > > > > Add to that, the fact that his offense has come around > a little bit and I think Perk has given the team a good, > solid effort. He's no star by any means, but he's > no chump out there either. > > > > > > Journeyman is the word that comes to mind for me. > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Thu Apr 2 12:50:33 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:50:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Perk Message-ID: <334231.65752.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I thought the same thing, but it turns out Paul is right. From: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/journeyman jour?ney?man?(j?rn-mn) n. 1. One who has fully served an apprenticeship in a trade or craft and is a qualified worker in another's employ. 2. An experienced and competent but undistinguished worker. In the NBA a journeyman is unofficially known as a player who plays for a number of teams and "travels" as you say, but officially a journeyman is very well represented by Perk. --- Ryan W wrote: Yeah, and that would be the wrong choice of words. Journeyman need to travel before they become journeyman...Perk's been here 6 years and he's gotten better each year. He's 24, a championship-level starting player, and a candidate for the All-NBA Defensive team (according to several coaches) at the hardest position to fill in the NBA. Get some perspective! Ryan --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Paul M. Moriarty wrote: > From: Paul M. Moriarty > Subject: Re: Perk > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 4:21 PM > On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Cecil Wright wrote: > > > > > Add to that, the fact that his offense has come around > a little bit and I think Perk has given the team a good, > solid effort. He's no star by any means, but he's > no chump out there either. > > > > > > Journeyman is the word that comes to mind for me. > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 12:51:08 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 05:51:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Would You Trade Rondo For Blake Griffin? Message-ID: <899362.83988.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In light of KG's deteriorating knee condition (and the Celtics coverup), the fact the majority of the teams in contention for the top pick in the draft need a quality point guard rather than a power forward, Rondo's upcoming contract versus the much more affordable locked-in rookie scale of Griffin, the availability of Marbury and other quality veteran PGs, and the Celtics have no young impact bigs, a Rondo for Blake Griffin trade makes quite a bit of sense. Ray From jozersky at optonline.net Thu Apr 2 13:56:02 2009 From: jozersky at optonline.net (jozersky at optonline.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:56:02 +0000 Subject: Would You Trade Rondo For Blake Griffin? In-Reply-To: <899362.83988.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <899362.83988.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1465831633-1238680490-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-94783698-@bxe1202.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> No it doesn't. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: Way Of The Ray Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2009 05:51:08 To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List Subject: Would You Trade Rondo For Blake Griffin? In light of KG's deteriorating knee condition (and the Celtics coverup), the fact the majority of the teams in contention for the top pick in the draft need a quality point guard rather than a power forward, Rondo's upcoming contract versus the much more affordable locked-in rookie scale of Griffin, the availability of Marbury and other quality veteran PGs, and the Celtics have no young impact bigs, a Rondo for Blake Griffin trade makes quite a bit of sense. Ray _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pmaymin at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 13:56:31 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Philip Maymin) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:56:31 -0400 Subject: Would You Trade Rondo For Blake Griffin? In-Reply-To: <899362.83988.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <899362.83988.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Would you trade Chris Paul for Blake and a future first? Then you shouldn't trade the most productive Celtic either. On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Way Of The Ray wrote: > > In light of KG's deteriorating knee condition (and the Celtics > coverup), the fact the majority of the teams in contention for the > top pick in the draft need a quality point guard rather than a power > forward, Rondo's upcoming contract versus the much more affordable > locked-in rookie scale of Griffin, the availability of Marbury and > other quality veteran PGs, and the Celtics have no young impact > bigs, a Rondo for Blake Griffin trade makes quite a bit of sense. > > Ray > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Thu Apr 2 17:28:14 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 13:28:14 -0400 Subject: Would You Trade Rondo For Blake Griffin? In-Reply-To: <899362.83988.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090402132814.8DWBO.607077.imail@eastrmwml37> Makes sense if you are smoking some good weed. ---- Way Of The Ray wrote: > > In light of KG's deteriorating knee condition (and the Celtics coverup), the fact the majority of the teams in contention for the top pick in the draft need a quality point guard rather than a power forward, Rondo's upcoming contract versus the much more affordable locked-in rookie scale of Griffin, the availability of Marbury and other quality veteran PGs, and the Celtics have no young impact bigs, a Rondo for Blake Griffin trade makes quite a bit of sense. > > Ray > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From jlyell at verizon.net Thu Apr 2 19:11:03 2009 From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 12:11:03 -0700 Subject: Would You Trade Rondo For Blake Griffin? In-Reply-To: References: <899362.83988.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <458777A9-1932-48C2-8145-2E23A44AD59C@verizon.net> Something to consider, but always risky when comparing known to projected talent Would you trade rondo for Paul ? I heard several teams are having financial issues and may need to dump salary like they tried with chandler On Apr 2, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Philip Maymin wrote: > Would you trade Chris Paul for Blake and a future first? Then you > shouldn't trade the most productive Celtic either. > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Way Of The Ray > wrote: > >> >> In light of KG's deteriorating knee condition (and the Celtics >> coverup), the fact the majority of the teams in contention for the >> top pick in the draft need a quality point guard rather than a >> power forward, Rondo's upcoming contract versus the much more >> affordable locked-in rookie scale of Griffin, the availability of >> Marbury and other quality veteran PGs, and the Celtics have no >> young impact bigs, a Rondo for Blake Griffin trade makes quite a >> bit of sense. >> >> Ray >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> celtics at igtc.com >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pmaymin at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 19:21:14 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Philip Maymin) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:21:14 -0400 Subject: Would You Trade Rondo For Blake Griffin? In-Reply-To: <458777A9-1932-48C2-8145-2E23A44AD59C@verizon.net> References: <899362.83988.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <458777A9-1932-48C2-8145-2E23A44AD59C@verizon.net> Message-ID: <7FECB410-11ED-473A-850F-4D489A6466D8@gmail.com> Chris Paul may be the only PG I'd trade Rondo for but it would still sting, like trading Pierce for LeBron. On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:11 PM, John Lyell wrote: > Something to consider, but always risky when comparing known to > projected talent > > Would you trade rondo for Paul ? I heard several teams are having > financial issues and may need to dump salary like they tried with > chandler > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Philip Maymin wrote: > >> Would you trade Chris Paul for Blake and a future first? Then you >> shouldn't trade the most productive Celtic either. >> >> On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Way Of The Ray >> wrote: >> >>> >>> In light of KG's deteriorating knee condition (and the Celtics >>> coverup), the fact the majority of the teams in contention for the >>> top pick in the draft need a quality point guard rather than a >>> power forward, Rondo's upcoming contract versus the much more >>> affordable locked-in rookie scale of Griffin, the availability of >>> Marbury and other quality veteran PGs, and the Celtics have no >>> young impact bigs, a Rondo for Blake Griffin trade makes quite a >>> bit of sense. >>> >>> Ray >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >>> celtics at igtc.com >>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> celtics at igtc.com >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Thu Apr 2 21:07:41 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:07:41 -0400 Subject: Would You Trade Rondo For Blake Griffin? In-Reply-To: <7FECB410-11ED-473A-850F-4D489A6466D8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090402170741.15MGL.610074.imail@eastrmwml38> Sorry, but neither one of those trades would sting at all. The combo of Paul and LeBron would be head and shoulders better than Rondo and Pierce. I'm not complaining mind you, but a trade like that, as impossible as it might be, would have to be accepted with giddiness. ---- Philip Maymin wrote: > Chris Paul may be the only PG I'd trade Rondo for but it would still > sting, like trading Pierce for LeBron. > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:11 PM, John Lyell wrote: > > > Something to consider, but always risky when comparing known to > > projected talent > > > > Would you trade rondo for Paul ? I heard several teams are having > > financial issues and may need to dump salary like they tried with > > chandler > > > > On Apr 2, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Philip Maymin wrote: > > > >> Would you trade Chris Paul for Blake and a future first? Then you > >> shouldn't trade the most productive Celtic either. > >> > >> On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Way Of The Ray > >> wrote: > >> > >>> > >>> In light of KG's deteriorating knee condition (and the Celtics > >>> coverup), the fact the majority of the teams in contention for the > >>> top pick in the draft need a quality point guard rather than a > >>> power forward, Rondo's upcoming contract versus the much more > >>> affordable locked-in rookie scale of Griffin, the availability of > >>> Marbury and other quality veteran PGs, and the Celtics have no > >>> young impact bigs, a Rondo for Blake Griffin trade makes quite a > >>> bit of sense. > >>> > >>> Ray > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> The Boston Celtics Mailing List > >>> celtics at igtc.com > >>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List > >> celtics at igtc.com > >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pmaymin at gmail.com Thu Apr 2 21:58:36 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Philip Maymin) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 17:58:36 -0400 Subject: Would You Trade Rondo For Blake Griffin? In-Reply-To: <20090402170741.15MGL.610074.imail@eastrmwml38> References: <20090402170741.15MGL.610074.imail@eastrmwml38> Message-ID: It's like going to the park with your best friend and then not picking him for your team. It's better for the team, you do the trade for the Cs of course, but don't you feel a little sad you won't get to win with your best friend? On Apr 2, 2009, at 5:07 PM, wrote: > Sorry, but neither one of those trades would sting at all. The > combo of Paul and LeBron would be head and shoulders better than > Rondo and Pierce. I'm not complaining mind you, but a trade like > that, as impossible as it might be, would have to be accepted with > giddiness. > ---- Philip Maymin wrote: >> Chris Paul may be the only PG I'd trade Rondo for but it would still >> sting, like trading Pierce for LeBron. >> >> On Apr 2, 2009, at 3:11 PM, John Lyell wrote: >> >>> Something to consider, but always risky when comparing known to >>> projected talent >>> >>> Would you trade rondo for Paul ? I heard several teams are having >>> financial issues and may need to dump salary like they tried with >>> chandler >>> >>> On Apr 2, 2009, at 6:56 AM, Philip Maymin wrote: >>> >>>> Would you trade Chris Paul for Blake and a future first? Then you >>>> shouldn't trade the most productive Celtic either. >>>> >>>> On Apr 2, 2009, at 8:51 AM, Way Of The Ray >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> In light of KG's deteriorating knee condition (and the Celtics >>>>> coverup), the fact the majority of the teams in contention for the >>>>> top pick in the draft need a quality point guard rather than a >>>>> power forward, Rondo's upcoming contract versus the much more >>>>> affordable locked-in rookie scale of Griffin, the availability of >>>>> Marbury and other quality veteran PGs, and the Celtics have no >>>>> young impact bigs, a Rondo for Blake Griffin trade makes quite a >>>>> bit of sense. >>>>> >>>>> Ray >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >>>>> celtics at igtc.com >>>>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >>>> celtics at igtc.com >>>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >>> celtics at igtc.com >>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> celtics at igtc.com >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Thu Apr 2 22:58:22 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 15:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Perk In-Reply-To: <334231.65752.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <865552.20909.qm@web65607.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Thanks for the dictionary definition, Adam. I just think Perk's too young and has distinguished himself too much for that label. If he was in his late 20s/early 30s then it might hold water... Ryan --- On Thu, 4/2/09, Adam Patterson wrote: > From: Adam Patterson > Subject: Re: Perk > To: "Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Thursday, April 2, 2009, 7:50 AM > I thought the same thing, but it turns out Paul is right. > > > From: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/journeyman > > jour?ney?man?(j?rn-mn) > n. > 1. One who has fully served an apprenticeship in a trade or > craft and is a qualified worker in another's employ. > 2. An experienced and competent but undistinguished worker. > > > In the NBA a journeyman is unofficially known as a player > who plays for a number of teams and "travels" as > you say, but officially a journeyman is very well > represented by Perk. > > > > --- Ryan W wrote: > Yeah, and that would be the wrong choice of words. > Journeyman need to travel before they become > journeyman...Perk's been here 6 years and he's > gotten better each year. He's 24, a championship-level > starting player, and a candidate for the All-NBA Defensive > team (according to several coaches) at the hardest position > to fill in the NBA. Get some perspective! > > Ryan > > --- On Wed, 4/1/09, Paul M. Moriarty igtc.com> wrote: > > > From: Paul M. Moriarty > > Subject: Re: Perk > > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > > > Date: Wednesday, April 1, 2009, 4:21 PM > > On Apr 1, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Cecil Wright wrote: > > > > > > > > Add to that, the fact that his offense has come > around > > a little bit and I think Perk has given the team a > good, > > solid effort. He's no star by any means, but > he's > > no chump out there either. > > > > > > > > > > Journeyman is the word that comes to mind for me. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new > Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Fri Apr 3 07:12:09 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 00:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: 'Nique on Baby? Message-ID: <279651.91655.qm@web63804.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Here it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJZ4Wkl9aNo ________________________________ From: Adam Patterson To: Celtics Mailing List Sent: Sunday, 29 March, 2009 9:46:57 PM Subject: Re: 'Nique on Baby? From: http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/basketball/celtics/view/2009_03_27_Glen_Davis_has_19_points_as_Celtics_beat_Hawks_99-93/ In the end, Baby was still the big deal. His monster block of Joe Johnson in the second quarter - a power move that saw him stuff it at the point of release and hold on - was enough to impress Hawk legend Dominique Wilkins. ?That?s the best block I?ve seen in the last year,? Wilkins said. ?A block like that, now that gets my respect. That kid is good.? The video of Baby's block hasn't been uplaoded to YouTube yet, but this next one from Oklahoma was awesome: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIL7aBu7kN4 --- Phil Maymin wrote: Was that Dominique Wilkins's voice saying Baby's block of Joe Johnson was one of the best blocks he'd seen in a long time? That was pretty sweet. ________________________________ Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now.. The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From mafiaso316 at aol.com Fri Apr 3 15:27:04 2009 From: mafiaso316 at aol.com (Paolo Dellasandro) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 15:27:04 +0000 Subject: Invitation from Paolo Dellasandro Message-ID: <20090403152716.5F2EBE180B7@ignite.igtc.com> See my latest photos, updates and friends on Bebo. Click to view my profile. http://www.bebo.com/inv/8978349529a537085580b8771322194c8270840667 ...................................................................... This email was sent to you at the direct request of Paolo Dellasandro . You have not been added to a mailing list. If you would prefer not to receive invitations from ANY Bebo members please click here - http://www.bebo.com/unsub/8978349529a537085580 Bebo, Inc., 795 Folsom St, 6th Floor, San Francisco, CA 94107, USA. From pdelevett at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 04:29:38 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 21:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: To those who saw the game ... Message-ID: <798481.51541.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> How did Tony look? From jlyell at verizon.net Sat Apr 4 05:05:44 2009 From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell) Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:05:44 -0700 Subject: To those who saw the game ... In-Reply-To: <798481.51541.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <798481.51541.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1564620A-3B0E-41B1-9174-9FDE69A1E085@verizon.net> Tony looked good, baby was awesome. He had another great block. Perk had 7 blocks! On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Peter Delevett wrote: > > How did Tony look? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sat Apr 4 07:33:27 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 00:33:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Championship Driven Message-ID: <694506.92993.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Great to see the team hitting its stride at the right time, we have now won 4 in a row and 8 of the past 9 games (89%). We actually won 9 games out of 15 in March (60%) which is pretty good considering KG was out for most of it. It was just a shame that the C's lost to Milwaukee and at home to Detroit (and Orlando), but these things happen. KG's injury *might* be a blessing in disguise, as Big Baby is gaining invaluable experience and before that it was Powe. It was very surprising that hardly any praise was given to Leon Powe in March when he had those 2 huge back-to-back games against Miami and Memphis. The game against the Grizzlies was especially massive: 30 points, 11 rebounds, 5 blocks. So good. As for Baby, his stats from March are as follows: 11.4ppg, 5.8rpg, 11 games played (From: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4313/splits;_ylt=AjItbKaAK_lk3gOz5huZWtyqPaB4) (have a look at Baby's profile picture on the above website, it'll bring a smile for most Celtics fans) Anyway, hopefully KG is good to go by the first-or-second round of the playoffs; he is the catalyst for the C's brilliant defense. Oh, count me as a believer that Mikki Moore will help us in the playoffs. I have alot of respect for the way the team has backed him from Day 1 and during his acclimation into Championship form. Same with Marbury. The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 13:03:58 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 06:03:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: opinions Message-ID: <624970.32600.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> We now have three starters for the post-Big Three Era:? Rondo, a perennial all-star, Perk, a bubble all-star, and Baby, an undersized PF who compensates well for his physical limitations.? That leaves Bill Walker, who has the stuff talentwise and attitudewise, to become the Pierce replacement--albeit no one will replace the Truth.? That will make four.? All that remains is a two guard who can give us about 20 a game; we would be a very good, say 50 plus win, team with that.? There's Tony, Powe, House and several players to be named later to make up the squad.? I will enjoy that transition.? OK, maybe 50. We will be happy to have Tony in the playoffs.? He and Marbury should work well together, and when House is added, it's not a bad passing, slashing, shooting crew. The Cavs threw the game to Orlando last night.? It's in their interest to give the home court to the Magic. LeBron is MVP in a walk.? He took a 50 win team, with barely another starting NBA talent, and did all that.? Enough, enjoying this challenger/champion position, Gene From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 13:30:47 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 06:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: opinions In-Reply-To: <624970.32600.qm@web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <485820.25319.qm@web63106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> think there's any chance LeBron will come here at some point? --- On Sat, 4/4/09, gene kirkpatrick wrote: From: gene kirkpatrick Subject: opinions To: "celtics" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 9:03 AM We now have three starters for the post-Big Three Era:? Rondo, a perennial all-star, Perk, a bubble all-star, and Baby, an undersized PF who compensates well for his physical limitations.? That leaves Bill Walker, who has the stuff talentwise and attitudewise, to become the Pierce replacement--albeit no one will replace the Truth.? That will make four.? All that remains is a two guard who can give us about 20 a game; we would be a very good, say 50 plus win, team with that.? There's Tony, Powe, House and several players to be named later to make up the squad.? I will enjoy that transition.? OK, maybe 50. We will be happy to have Tony in the playoffs.? He and Marbury should work well together, and when House is added, it's not a bad passing, slashing, shooting crew. The Cavs threw the game to Orlando last night.? It's in their interest to give the home court to the Magic. LeBron is MVP in a walk.? He took a 50 win team, with barely another starting NBA talent, and did all that.? Enough, enjoying this challenger/champion position, Gene _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 13:54:41 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 06:54:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: opinions Message-ID: <198836.7879.qm@web39606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> twice a year and during the playoffs; really, who knows the movement of quality players at different times in their careers; we could land an Antawn Jamison level player in a few years and keep it going.? The great thing is that we're fairly well set at point and center, the two hardest positions to fill.? Gene --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Ellie Cutler wrote: From: Ellie Cutler Subject: Re: opinions To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 8:30 AM think there's any chance LeBron will come here at some point? --- On Sat, 4/4/09, gene kirkpatrick wrote: From: gene kirkpatrick Subject: opinions To: "celtics" Date: Saturday, April 4, 2009, 9:03 AM We now have three starters for the post-Big Three Era:? Rondo, a perennial all-star, Perk, a bubble all-star, and Baby, an undersized PF who compensates well for his physical limitations.? That leaves Bill Walker, who has the stuff talentwise and attitudewise, to become the Pierce replacement--albeit no one will replace the Truth.? That will make four.? All that remains is a two guard who can give us about 20 a game; we would be a very good, say 50 plus win, team with that.? There's Tony, Powe, House and several players to be named later to make up the squad.? I will enjoy that transition.? OK, maybe 50. We will be happy to have Tony in the playoffs.? He and Marbury should work well together, and when House is added, it's not a bad passing, slashing, shooting crew. The Cavs threw the game to Orlando last night.? It's in their interest to give the home court to the Magic. LeBron is MVP in a walk.? He took a 50 win team, with barely another starting NBA talent, and did all that.? Enough, enjoying this challenger/champion position, Gene ? ? ? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ? ? ? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Sat Apr 4 16:06:34 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 09:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: To those who saw the game ... In-Reply-To: <798481.51541.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <229199.69527.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Predictably rusty, especially in his first stint in the first half. On one play, he dribbled into contact, got bumped, and got whistled for a travel. On a play on the defensive end, he needlessly attempted to save a ball (that would have been C's ball had he let it go out of bounds) and ended up throwing it back to the other team. When he didn't have the ball in his hands he was better and his man-to-man defense against Joe Johnson was as good as ever. He played again in the 4th and was much more impressive. Had a nice block on Horford or Josh Smith, coming from the weakside and swallowing up the play. And then he converted a nice up-and-under off a sweet cut from the baseline (Eddie House made a nice pass to him as well). Good signs from Tony. I expect Ray and Paul will take a game or two off in the next week or two and that should give TA some more time to get his rhythm back. Ryan --- On Fri, 4/3/09, Peter Delevett wrote: > From: Peter Delevett > Subject: To those who saw the game ... > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Friday, April 3, 2009, 11:29 PM > How did Tony look? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From BDodgers at aol.com Sat Apr 4 17:22:24 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 13:22:24 EDT Subject: Hawks: Celtics better without KG Message-ID: _Hawks: Celtics better without KG_ (http://www.fannation.com/truth_and_rumors/view/97911-hawks-celtics-better-without-kg) That's what _Hawks_ (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4541) coach Mike Woodson said following his team's 104-92 loss to the _Celtics_ (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4542) tonight. "They're not that much different," said Woodson. "KG, he's just a double-double guy, and I think Big Baby and Perkins are filling up that void of him not being in there, I think they're doing an excellent job. A lot of that has to do with the fact that they've won the title so they've been through the ringer, they've been through big games last year in the playoffs so they don't shy away from it." _Hawks_ (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4541) forward _Josh Smith_ (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4425) said he thinks Garnett's absence actually helps the _Celtics_ (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4542) . "I think it is kind of a gift for them to have KG out of the lineup because they are going to need guys like that to come in and step up," said Smith. "Big Baby has been doing it all season, I've been watching the _Celtics_ (http://www.fannation.com/tags/show_tag/4542) play and he's been able to make an impact for their team, not just tonight but for the whole season." Despite Smith's praise, Davis said he still expects teams to dare him to shoot during the playoffs. "Most definitely," said Davis. "They don't believe in me yet, but I just got to keep working hard, make sure I keep doing what I have to do for my team." _Boston Globe_ (http://www.boston.com/sports/basketball/celtics/extras/celtics_blog/2009/04/no_different_wi.html) **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Apr 5 14:46:36 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 07:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime Message-ID: <215393.69265.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hubie Brown reckons KG's injury is quite serious... ...but he also thinks the C's can win the East if KG is healthy. From: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090405 I'm not convinced the Cavs will win the NBA title this year. They certainly could do it, but if Boston has a healthy Kevin Garnett, the Celtics could come out of the East again this season. Boston is really the only team in the East that could win a playoff game in Cleveland, but it needs Garnett to be healthy. Orlando is a good team, but it just doesn't have enough weapons. I hate this word, but Garnett is one of the greatest "warriors" in the history of the league. This guy plays with pain all the time, and if they have to shut him down to get set for the playoffs, that makes me think there is something serious going on. Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From pmaymin at gmail.com Sun Apr 5 14:48:36 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Phil Maymin) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:48:36 -0400 Subject: Jaw dropping Celtics Message-ID: <8c863cee0904050748p42fa2d27l2a695ae838284ac3@mail.gmail.com> Who makes plays that make your jaw drop in amazement most often? Here's my list, in descending order: 1. Rondo (if TiVo released stats on rewinds, he might just lead the league -- passes, layups, everything) 2. House (impossibly fast release) 3. Ray (like House, but especially at end of games -- these jaw drops are fewer but even lower to the floor) 4. KG (that turnaround, and some of his passes) 4. Baby (especially his two amazing blocks against Atlanta) 5. Walker (he gets sooo high) 6. Perk (blocks) and Powe (dunks and and-1's) 7. Marbury (he gets *horizontal* when he is dribbling!) That's not to say Pierce isn't awesome, it's just that his superiority is kind of... expected. And he makes everything look so easy and smooth. Tony Allen will get his way up this list too -- his reverse layup the other night was quite nice! Phil From stevebknight at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 16:09:05 2009 From: stevebknight at yahoo.com (steve knight) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:09:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: walker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <876698.60988.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i haven't seen anything from walker that would lead me to believe he's going to fill pp's shoes, though he does appear to have an nba career in front of him. i've seen a lively body/banger who can play some d, but no offensive game to speak of. but yes, it is nice to know that we have some pieces going forward. rondo and perk will be top-tier at their positions for years to come, and baby and powe are very solid contributors. i've been particularly impressed with baby, who's got to be one of the best 2nd rounders in the game today. i still like tony, who looked decent once he got his legs in the second half--had a couple nice defensive plays and a sweet drop-off assist to perk, i think. hope he gets some time in the next few weeks. i think doc knows tony is a rhythm player. out of rhythm, he's a turnover prone, low-confidence player. in rhythm, he's a confident slasher and defender. i am worried about being short up front if leon and garnett aren't at least serviceable for the playoffs. good thing we got mm. looking forward to the next few games to see if mm, tony and marbury can hit a groove going into the playoffs. marbury is looking better the last few games. key to the playoffs: rondo staying aggressive and getting good production from the bench. and of course a healthy kg. Message: 8 Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 06:03:58 -0700 (PDT) From: gene kirkpatrick Subject: opinions To: celtics Message-ID: <624970.32600.qm at web39601.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We now have three starters for the post-Big Three Era:? Rondo, a perennial all-star, Perk, a bubble all-star, and Baby, an undersized PF who compensates well for his physical limitations.? That leaves Bill Walker, who has the stuff talentwise and attitudewise, to become the Pierce replacement--albeit no one will replace the Truth.? That will make four.? All that remains is a two guard who can give us about 20 a game; we would be a very good, say 50 plus win, team with that.? There's Tony, Powe, House and several players to be named later to make up the squad.? I will enjoy that transition.? OK, maybe 50. We will be happy to have Tony in the playoffs.? He and Marbury should work well together, and when House is added, it's not a bad passing, slashing, shooting crew. The Cavs threw the game to Orlando last night.? It's in their interest to give the home court to the Magic. LeBron is MVP in a walk.? He took a 50 win team, with barely another starting NBA talent, and did all that.? Enough, enjoying this challenger/champion position, Gene From douglas342 at aol.com Sun Apr 5 16:26:31 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 05 Apr 2009 12:26:31 -0400 Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime In-Reply-To: <215393.69265.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <215393.69265.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB84226A10FA42-C88-4645@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> Paul Pierce is quoted in the LA Times as saying, "If he comes back this year, or if he doesn't, it's all about him geting healthy." Without Garnett, I figure the Cs can make one heck of a run, but to #18? Not so sure. In a weird way, though, it might be even more fun to watch than last year. Last year, the Cs looked like the champs from the outset. Without Garnett, the expectations will be lower, and every win will be sweeter. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Patterson To: Celtics Mailing List Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 7:46 am Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime Hubie Brown reckons KG's injury is quite serious... ....but he also thinks the C's can win the East if KG is healthy. From: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090405 I'm not convinced the Cavs will win the NBA title this year. They certainly could do it, but if Boston has a healthy Kevin Garnett, the Celtics could come out of the East again this season. Boston is really the only team in the East that could win a playoff game in Cleveland, but it needs Garnett to be healthy. Orlando is a good team, but it just doesn't have enough weapons. I hate this word, but Garnett is one of the greatest "warriors" in the history of the league. This guy plays with pain all the time, and if they have to shut him down to get set for the playoffs, that makes me think there is something serious going on. Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Apr 5 16:55:35 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 09:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jaw dropping Celtics Message-ID: <718558.11056.qm@web63801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Great list, Phil. Here is mine: 1. Powe (Bill Walker will be #1 one day, hopefully, but Leon's NBA Finals dunks get him here) 2. Walker (an absolute joy to watch his highlights) 3. KG (when he's 100%, he would be number 1 on a lot of lists) 4. Rondo (similar to KG and Walker, such a joy to watch) 5. Pierce (Game 7 of the Cleveland series is an all-time classic) 6. Ray (someone mentioned on CelticsBlog that Ray should be a "pay per view") 7. Tony (similar to Walker and Powe) --- Phil Maymin wrote: Who makes plays that make your jaw drop in amazement most often? Here's my list, in descending order: 1. Rondo (if TiVo released stats on rewinds, he might just lead the league -- passes, layups, everything) 2. House (impossibly fast release) 3. Ray (like House, but especially at end of games -- these jaw drops are fewer but even lower to the floor) 4. KG (that turnaround, and some of his passes) 4. Baby (especially his two amazing blocks against Atlanta) 5. Walker (he gets sooo high) 6. Perk (blocks) and Powe (dunks and and-1's) 7. Marbury (he gets *horizontal* when he is dribbling!) That's not to say Pierce isn't awesome, it's just that his superiority is kind of... expected. And he makes everything look so easy and smooth. Tony Allen will get his way up this list too -- his reverse layup the other night was quite nice! Phil The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 17:29:35 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:29:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime In-Reply-To: <8CB84226A10FA42-C88-4645@WEBMAIL-MC02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <520740.979.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> KG will definitely 'play' in the playoffs. It's a question of how much and how well he can play, as it's almost certain he won't be 100% again this season. If KG can play through pain (I'm pretty sure he can) and if he does not injure himself further (playing with injuries often leads to other injuries because you over-compensate), then I think we're in decent shape. With KG, it's not about points and rebounds; it's about accountability, intensity, and motivation, and him being on the court, even in a limited amount of time, translates those qualities to his teammates. If I'm Doc, I don't play KG more than 20 minutes a game in the 1st round (8 minutes in the 1st half, 8 minutes at the beginning of the 3rd, and then 4 minutes at the end of the game, if necessary). In the 2nd, I'd up it to around 25 or so a game, and then perhaps up to as much as 30 a game in the 3rd round. Guys like Baby and Powe and Moore will have to pick it up in the playoffs, but I think they're more than capable of doing so. Unfortunately for us, I don't think Scal's gonna make it back this season. He was having headaches as late as last week, and while I'm no doctor, that seems alarming. I say he's going to shut it down for the season before playing another game...which kinda blows because in some ways he's the best KG-replacement we have...with Scal on the court, we can really spread everyone out, let Rondo attack, and either get Rondo layups or Rondo-assisted jump shoots. Ryan --- On Sun, 4/5/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: ESPN - Sunday Dime > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 11:26 AM > Paul Pierce is quoted in the LA Times as saying, "If he > comes back this year, or if he doesn't, it's all > about him geting healthy." > > Without Garnett, I figure the Cs can make one heck of a > run, but to #18? Not so sure. In a weird way, though, it > might be even more fun to watch than last year. Last year, > the Cs looked like the champs from the outset. Without > Garnett, the expectations will be lower, and every win will > be sweeter. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Patterson > To: Celtics Mailing List > Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 7:46 am > Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime > > > > Hubie Brown reckons KG's injury is quite serious... > > ....but he also thinks the C's can win the East if KG > is healthy. > > > > From: > http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090405 > > I'm not convinced the Cavs will win the NBA title this > year. They certainly > could do it, but if Boston has a healthy Kevin Garnett, > the Celtics could come out of the East again this season. > Boston is > really the only team in the East that could win a playoff > game in > Cleveland, but it needs Garnett to be healthy. > > Orlando is a good team, but it just doesn't have enough > weapons. I hate this word, but Garnett is one of the > greatest > "warriors" in the history of the league. This guy > plays with pain all > the time, and if they have to shut him down to get set for > the > playoffs, that makes me think there is something serious > going on. > > > > Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new > Internet Explorer 8 > optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 17:50:47 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 10:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: walker In-Reply-To: <876698.60988.qm@web37404.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <655972.19610.qm@web63108.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Bill Walker has no offense?? He can shoot both from midrange and further out (perhaps not to 3 pt yet),? and is the only true alleyoop recipient on the team other than KG.??? And he does more than 'play some D' - he plays smart.? You don't see a 6'7" or whatever he is blocking shots without an innate knowledge of where to be under the basket. He needs experience and to further develop his outside shot.? The kid is ultra smooth and efficient; turns it on when needed, conserving his energy and his knee(s). As for jaw-dropping plays,? my choice has gotta be Rondo.? I can't believe the things he does with the ball while holding it with one hand.? He's the one I do rewinds on the most - then half the time I *still* can't figure out what he just did. As for jaw-dropping in the power sense, that's Walker.? I think he's had the most monster dunk so far, that had the bench going wild.?? I also liked Rondo's flush (forget what game) that mad Doc Rivers jaw drop. Ellie --- On Sun, 4/5/09, steve knight wrote: From: steve knight Subject: Re: walker To: celtics at igtc.com Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 12:09 PM i haven't seen anything from walker that would lead me to believe he's going to fill pp's shoes, though he does appear to have an nba career in front of him. i've seen a lively body/banger who can play some d, but no offensive game to speak of. From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 18:04:13 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 11:04:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Comparisons light Message-ID: <141462.85741.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I earlier compared Danny Green of Carolina to Rick Fox, but with more overall ability.? Other than his lapse in the ACC tourney, he's still impressive if a bit foot-slow.? Also, I see a bit of Sam Perkins in UNC's Davis, the lanky frosh, who is a smooth lefty.? Then, Lawson as a point guard reminds me of Baron Davis, but more of a point guard.? I think Lawson is a top five pick, though not considered as such yet.? Deon Thompson, the slender forward, is a Karl Malone light--he shoots well to 18 feet, rebounds well, blocks shots, runs the floor; he's the unnoticed blossom of that team to me.? Give most of these guys two years in the league and I think they will be quite effective.? And that's not mentioning Hansborough and Ellington. Sorry if I'm Carolina fixed; been so since 1963--Dean Smith's first year (the George Karl team).? Cheers, Gene From martind42 at cox.net Sun Apr 5 18:23:44 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:23:44 -0400 Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime In-Reply-To: <520740.979.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090405142344.COGHF.639167.imail@eastrmwml47> I wouln't even mind KG coming off the bench for Davis or Powe. Garnett is an unusual breed. Put him on the court with anyone, and your team is instantly better. If we are going to see limited minutes for KG, use him to fire up the 2nd unit. Of course, if he was remotely healthy, then obviously he'd go back as a starter. ---- Ryan W wrote: > > KG will definitely 'play' in the playoffs. It's a question of how much and how well he can play, as it's almost certain he won't be 100% again this season. > > If KG can play through pain (I'm pretty sure he can) and if he does not injure himself further (playing with injuries often leads to other injuries because you over-compensate), then I think we're in decent shape. With KG, it's not about points and rebounds; it's about accountability, intensity, and motivation, and him being on the court, even in a limited amount of time, translates those qualities to his teammates. > > If I'm Doc, I don't play KG more than 20 minutes a game in the 1st round (8 minutes in the 1st half, 8 minutes at the beginning of the 3rd, and then 4 minutes at the end of the game, if necessary). In the 2nd, I'd up it to around 25 or so a game, and then perhaps up to as much as 30 a game in the 3rd round. Guys like Baby and Powe and Moore will have to pick it up in the playoffs, but I think they're more than capable of doing so. > > Unfortunately for us, I don't think Scal's gonna make it back this season. He was having headaches as late as last week, and while I'm no doctor, that seems alarming. I say he's going to shut it down for the season before playing another game...which kinda blows because in some ways he's the best KG-replacement we have...with Scal on the court, we can really spread everyone out, let Rondo attack, and either get Rondo layups or Rondo-assisted jump shoots. > > Ryan > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > > > From: douglas342 at aol.com > > Subject: Re: ESPN - Sunday Dime > > To: celtics at igtc.com > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 11:26 AM > > Paul Pierce is quoted in the LA Times as saying, "If he > > comes back this year, or if he doesn't, it's all > > about him geting healthy." > > > > Without Garnett, I figure the Cs can make one heck of a > > run, but to #18? Not so sure. In a weird way, though, it > > might be even more fun to watch than last year. Last year, > > the Cs looked like the champs from the outset. Without > > Garnett, the expectations will be lower, and every win will > > be sweeter. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adam Patterson > > To: Celtics Mailing List > > Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 7:46 am > > Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime > > > > > > > > Hubie Brown reckons KG's injury is quite serious... > > > > ....but he also thinks the C's can win the East if KG > > is healthy. > > > > > > > > From: > > http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090405 > > > > I'm not convinced the Cavs will win the NBA title this > > year. They certainly > > could do it, but if Boston has a healthy Kevin Garnett, > > the Celtics could come out of the East again this season. > > Boston is > > really the only team in the East that could win a playoff > > game in > > Cleveland, but it needs Garnett to be healthy. > > > > Orlando is a good team, but it just doesn't have enough > > weapons. I hate this word, but Garnett is one of the > > greatest > > "warriors" in the history of the league. This guy > > plays with pain all > > the time, and if they have to shut him down to get set for > > the > > playoffs, that makes me think there is something serious > > going on. > > > > > > > > Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new > > Internet Explorer 8 > > optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Apr 5 21:24:42 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:24:42 -0700 (PDT) Subject: To those who saw the game ... Message-ID: <85053.74377.qm@web63808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Here is the video of Baby's block on Friday: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdLJlRbXFcE And here are a few post-game interviews with the journeyman which has highlights of at least 4 of his 7 blocks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUALW_Dyyco http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGg92CRNdO4 A few more plays like this and they'll both make my "jaw dropping" list. They can even negotiate that and a plate of enchiladas into Baby's new contract this summer for extra motivation :) ________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 22:05:44 -0700 From: John Lyell Subject: Re: To those who saw the game ... To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Message-ID: <1564620A-3B0E-41B1-9174-9FDE69A1E085 at verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Tony looked good, baby was awesome. He had another great block. Perk had 7 blocks! On Apr 3, 2009, at 9:29 PM, Peter Delevett wrote: > > How did Tony look? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics End of The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 58 *************************************************************** The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Sun Apr 5 21:42:39 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 14:42:39 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime In-Reply-To: <20090405142344.COGHF.639167.imail@eastrmwml47> Message-ID: <921414.38622.qm@web65616.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> KG has so many pre-game routines that bringing him off the bench might not be the best idea. He doesn't need to be on the court to fire up the 2nd unit--he just needs to be suited up. Ryan --- On Sun, 4/5/09, martind42 at cox.net wrote: > From: martind42 at cox.net > Subject: Re: ESPN - Sunday Dime > To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 1:23 PM > I wouln't even mind KG coming off the bench for Davis or > Powe. Garnett is an unusual breed. Put him on the court > with anyone, and your team is instantly better. If we are > going to see limited minutes for KG, use him to fire up the > 2nd unit. Of course, if he was remotely healthy, then > obviously he'd go back as a starter. > ---- Ryan W wrote: > > > > KG will definitely 'play' in the playoffs. > It's a question of how much and how well he can play, as > it's almost certain he won't be 100% again this > season. > > > > If KG can play through pain (I'm pretty sure he > can) and if he does not injure himself further (playing with > injuries often leads to other injuries because you > over-compensate), then I think we're in decent shape. > With KG, it's not about points and rebounds; it's > about accountability, intensity, and motivation, and him > being on the court, even in a limited amount of time, > translates those qualities to his teammates. > > > > If I'm Doc, I don't play KG more than 20 > minutes a game in the 1st round (8 minutes in the 1st half, > 8 minutes at the beginning of the 3rd, and then 4 minutes at > the end of the game, if necessary). In the 2nd, I'd up > it to around 25 or so a game, and then perhaps up to as much > as 30 a game in the 3rd round. Guys like Baby and Powe and > Moore will have to pick it up in the playoffs, but I think > they're more than capable of doing so. > > > > Unfortunately for us, I don't think Scal's > gonna make it back this season. He was having headaches as > late as last week, and while I'm no doctor, that seems > alarming. I say he's going to shut it down for the > season before playing another game...which kinda blows > because in some ways he's the best KG-replacement we > have...with Scal on the court, we can really spread everyone > out, let Rondo attack, and either get Rondo layups or > Rondo-assisted jump shoots. > > > > Ryan > > > > > > --- On Sun, 4/5/09, douglas342 at aol.com > wrote: > > > > > From: douglas342 at aol.com > > > > Subject: Re: ESPN - Sunday Dime > > > To: celtics at igtc.com > > > Date: Sunday, April 5, 2009, 11:26 AM > > > Paul Pierce is quoted in the LA Times as saying, > "If he > > > comes back this year, or if he doesn't, > it's all > > > about him geting healthy." > > > > > > Without Garnett, I figure the Cs can make one > heck of a > > > run, but to #18? Not so sure. In a weird way, > though, it > > > might be even more fun to watch than last year. > Last year, > > > the Cs looked like the champs from the outset. > Without > > > Garnett, the expectations will be lower, and > every win will > > > be sweeter. > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Adam Patterson > > > > To: Celtics Mailing List > > > Sent: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 7:46 am > > > Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime > > > > > > > > > > > > Hubie Brown reckons KG's injury is quite > serious... > > > > > > ....but he also thinks the C's can win the > East if KG > > > is healthy. > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > > > > http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090405 > > > > > > I'm not convinced the Cavs will win the NBA > title this > > > year. They certainly > > > could do it, but if Boston has a healthy Kevin > Garnett, > > > the Celtics could come out of the East again this > season. > > > Boston is > > > really the only team in the East that could win a > playoff > > > game in > > > Cleveland, but it needs Garnett to be healthy. > > > > > > Orlando is a good team, but it just doesn't > have enough > > > weapons. I hate this word, but Garnett is one of > the > > > greatest > > > "warriors" in the history of the > league. This guy > > > plays with pain all > > > the time, and if they have to shut him down to > get set for > > > the > > > playoffs, that makes me think there is something > serious > > > going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to > the new > > > Internet Explorer 8 > > > optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > > celtics at igtc.com > > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > > celtics at igtc.com > > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pmaymin at gmail.com Mon Apr 6 01:23:31 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Phil Maymin) Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2009 21:23:31 -0400 Subject: Jaw dropping Celtics In-Reply-To: <718558.11056.qm@web63801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <718558.11056.qm@web63801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8c863cee0904051823i6def9319sc7468c68607ab630@mail.gmail.com> Thanks Adam. You're not so much on House, huh? His threes are just so deadly and so on-time, like Posey's were last year. I can imagine the icy dagger through the heart that it must feel like for the other team. But bottom line what a fun team we have to watch, huh? We are very lucky. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Adam Patterson wrote: > Great list, Phil. > > Here is mine: > > 1. Powe (Bill Walker will be #1 one day, hopefully, but Leon's NBA Finals > dunks get him here) > 2. Walker (an absolute joy to watch his highlights) > 3. KG (when he's 100%, he would be number 1 on a lot of lists) > 4. Rondo (similar to KG and Walker, such a joy to watch) > 5. Pierce (Game 7 of the Cleveland series is an all-time classic) > 6. Ray (someone mentioned on CelticsBlog that Ray should be a "pay per > view") > 7. Tony (similar to Walker and Powe) > > > > --- Phil Maymin wrote: > > Who makes plays that make your jaw drop in amazement most often? Here's my > list, in descending order: > > 1. Rondo (if TiVo released stats on rewinds, he might just lead the league > -- passes, layups, everything) > 2. House (impossibly fast release) > 3. Ray (like House, but especially at end of games -- these jaw drops are > fewer but even lower to the floor) > 4. KG (that turnaround, and some of his passes) > 4. Baby (especially his two amazing blocks against Atlanta) > 5. Walker (he gets sooo high) > 6. Perk (blocks) and Powe (dunks and and-1's) > 7. Marbury (he gets *horizontal* when he is dribbling!) > > That's not to say Pierce isn't awesome, it's just that his superiority is > kind of... expected. And he makes everything look so easy and smooth. Tony > Allen will get his way up this list too -- his reverse layup the other > night > was quite nice! > > Phil > > > > The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, > Easier. > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Mon Apr 6 16:50:10 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 09:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Jaw dropping Celtics Message-ID: <764244.32589.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> You're right about having a fun team to watch. There's winning and then there's winning while having fun- it's great that we're doing both. It's the dunks that get me, this one from Powe in particular (with the assist from Rondo): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Jc9UxTflQ So that pretty much rules out House on my list, but I do appreciate a timely 3-pointer and I reckon the improbable ones?are the best (from Ray in particular). As for Rondo, who definitely makes my jaw drop very often, my favourite play of his was last year when he ran almost the length of the court and then dunked on Jason Maxiell of Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0k6VwjZNFE Awesome. --- Phil Maymin wrote: Thanks Adam. You're not so much on House, huh? His threes are just so deadly and so on-time, like Posey's were last year. I can imagine the icy dagger through the heart that it must feel like for the other team. But bottom line what a fun team we have to watch, huh? We are very lucky. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Adam Patterson wrote: > Great list, Phil. > > Here is mine: > > 1. Powe (Bill Walker will be #1 one day, hopefully, but Leon's NBA Finals > dunks get him here) > 2. Walker (an absolute joy to watch his highlights) > 3. KG (when he's 100%, he would be number 1 on a lot of lists) > 4. Rondo (similar to KG and Walker, such a joy to watch) > 5. Pierce (Game 7 of the Cleveland series is an all-time classic) > 6. Ray (someone mentioned on CelticsBlog that Ray should be a "pay per > view") > 7. Tony (similar to Walker and Powe) > > > > --- Phil Maymin wrote: > > Who makes plays that make your jaw drop in amazement most often? Here's my > list, in descending order: > > 1. Rondo (if TiVo released stats on rewinds, he might just lead the league > -- passes, layups, everything) > 2. House (impossibly fast release) > 3. Ray (like House, but especially at end of games -- these jaw drops are > fewer but even lower to the floor) > 4. KG (that turnaround, and some of his passes) > 4. Baby (especially his two amazing blocks against Atlanta) > 5. Walker (he gets sooo high) > 6. Perk (blocks) and Powe (dunks and and-1's) > 7. Marbury (he gets *horizontal* when he is dribbling!) > > That's not to say Pierce isn't awesome, it's just that his superiority is > kind of... expected. And he makes everything look so easy and smooth. Tony > Allen will get his way up this list too -- his reverse layup the other > night > was quite nice! > > Phil > > > > The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, > Easier. > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From douglas342 at aol.com Mon Apr 6 18:53:28 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2009 14:53:28 -0400 Subject: Jaw dropping Celtics In-Reply-To: <764244.32589.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <764244.32589.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB85001BAE5BDE-15DC-1472@WEBMAIL-DZ31.sysops.aol.com> The more I watch, I realize that what is jaw-dropping about Ray Allen is that he doesn't make my jaw drop. He just performs every night. Other than game-winning shots, he doesn't do highlight reel stuff. Just another day at the office. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Patterson To: Celtics Mailing List Sent: Mon, 6 Apr 2009 9:50 am Subject: Re: Jaw dropping Celtics You're right about having a fun team to watch. There's winning and then there's winning while having fun- it's great that we're doing both. It's the dunks that get me, this one from Powe in particular (with the assist from Rondo): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K7Jc9UxTflQ So that pretty much rules out House on my list, but I do appreciate a timely 3-pointer and I reckon the improbable ones?are the best (from Ray in particular). As for Rondo, who definitely makes my jaw drop very often, my favourite play of his was last year when he ran almost the length of the court and then dunked on Jason Maxiell of Detroit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0k6VwjZNFE Awesome. --- Phil Maymin wrote: Thanks Adam. You're not so much on House, huh? His threes are just so deadly and so on-time, like Posey's were last year. I can imagine the icy dagger through the heart that it must feel like for the other team. But bottom line what a fun team we have to watch, huh? We are very lucky. On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Adam Patterson wrote: > Great list, Phil. > > Here is mine: > > 1. Powe (Bill Walker will be #1 one day, hopefully, but Leon's NBA Finals > dunks get him here) > 2. Walker (an absolute joy to watch his highlights) > 3. KG (when he's 100%, he would be number 1 on a lot of lists) > 4. Rondo (similar to KG and Walker, such a joy to watch) > 5. Pierce (Game 7 of the Cleveland series is an all-time classic) > 6. Ray (someone mentioned on CelticsBlog that Ray should be a "pay per > view") > 7. Tony (similar to Walker and Powe) > > > > --- Phil Maymin wrote: > > Who makes plays that make your jaw drop in amazement most often? Here's my > list, in descending order: > > 1. Rondo (if TiVo released stats on rewinds, he might just lead the league > -- passes, layups, everything) > 2. House (impossibly fast release) > 3. Ray (like House, but especially at end of games -- these jaw drops are > fewer but even lower to the floor) > 4. KG (that turnaround, and some of his passes) > 4. Baby (especially his two amazing blocks against Atlanta) > 5. Walker (he gets sooo high) > 6. Perk (blocks) and Powe (dunks and and-1's) > 7. Marbury (he gets *horizontal* when he is dribbling!) > > That's not to say Pierce isn't awesome,20it's just that his superiority is > kind of... expected. And he makes everything look so easy and smooth. Tony > Allen will get his way up this list too -- his reverse layup the other > night > was quite nice! > > Phil > > > > The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, > Easier. > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pmaymin at gmail.com Wed Apr 8 01:57:09 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Phil Maymin) Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 21:57:09 -0400 Subject: Clutch performers Message-ID: <8c863cee0904071857t6d7d5371r45334528e6167097@mail.gmail.com> 82games.com has an article on clutch performers over the past few years: http://www.82games.com/gamewinningshots.htm LeBron is #1, Ray is #3, and Paul is #10 when ranked by total field goals made when tied or trailing by at most two points with 24 seconds left and possession. But one thing they don't point out is that if you factor in the at least two points that result from Paul's amazing clutch assists (9, highest among all, including point guards), he is second overall, behind only LeBron, and even that just barely. By the metric of assists, Kobe absolutely stinks -- only one assist, compared to 56 field goal attempts. Just thought it was an interesting metric. Seems like every day new metrics come out showing Pierce is awesome! Phil From eggcentric at aol.com Wed Apr 8 12:13:09 2009 From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric) Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:13:09 -0400 Subject: Clutch performers In-Reply-To: <8c863cee0904071857t6d7d5371r45334528e6167097@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47BF193B.353B.4607.BDA2.FF591043A749@aol.com> On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:57:09 PM, "Phil Maymin" wrote: Seems like every day new metrics come out showing Pierce is awesome! Agree completely. Pierce is a very special player. ?Years ago on my then current Celt board, the big issue/dispute was who was best ... Antoine (the weakest kind of fruit drops earliest to the ground) or Pierce. At that time, few of us were Pierce supporters. ?And really, if you think back to even two years ago, how many posters here wanted to see Pierce traded? For if even an A-1 player lives for years with lame teammates, he might just learn to halt. But Pierce never halted. And once he settled down, bought a business in Boston, finally married the gal?he had been living with for years, and then became a proud father,?he rose to being?even a better player. ? At last surrounded with two?really good players (Garnett and Allen),?also helped immensely. ? So ... VIVA PIERCE! ?Not all the glory belongs to your Celtic ancestors. ?In this,your?11th year here (oh how time flies) you are truly right?up there?with the long list of Celt greats who have so pleasured us over all these years. Egg From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 14:10:30 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 07:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Clutch performers In-Reply-To: <47BF193B.353B.4607.BDA2.FF591043A749@aol.com> Message-ID: <1312.26315.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I remember the night Pierce was drafted.? I was in the ER in Plymouth, NH getting IV antibiotics from a cat (love) bite.?? When Pierce fell, and I realized we were actually going to get him, I jumped out of my chair? with a whoop, "YEAH!!!"?? The other patient in the room was also a Cs fan, so we celebrated together.? Pierce wasn't even on my draft list because I was sure he was going top 3.??? (not like when we got AC Earl, which I also couldn't believe, but didn't pan out as well ; ) Ellie --- On Wed, 4/8/09, eggcentric wrote: From: eggcentric Subject: Re: Clutch performers To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" Date: Wednesday, April 8, 2009, 8:13 AM On Apr 7, 2009, at 9:57:09 PM, "Phil Maymin" wrote: Seems like every day new metrics come out showing Pierce is awesome! Agree completely. Pierce is a very special player. ?Years ago on my then current Celt board, the big issue/dispute was who was best ... Antoine (the weakest kind of fruit drops earliest to the ground) or Pierce. At that time, few of us were Pierce supporters. ?And really, if you think back to even two years ago, how many posters here wanted to see Pierce traded? For if even an A-1 player lives for years with lame teammates, he might just learn to halt. But Pierce never halted. And once he settled down, bought a business in Boston, finally married the gal?he had been living with for years, and then became a proud father,?he rose to being?even a better player. ? At last surrounded with two?really good players (Garnett and Allen),?also helped immensely. ? So ... VIVA PIERCE! ?Not all the glory belongs to your Celtic ancestors. ?In this,your?11th year here (oh how time flies) you are truly right?up there?with the long list of Celt greats who have so pleasured us over all these years. Egg _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Wed Apr 8 23:34:38 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray) Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 16:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Human Eraser Has Been Rubbed Out Message-ID: <307362.35081.qm@web110106.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Marvin "The Human Eraser" Webster dead at 56 in a Tulsa hotel bath tub. Disease, complications from hepatitis, rather than foul play suspected. His son, Marvin Webster Jr. died at age 18, of a heart attack, during his sophmore season at Temple. Now, they are together... Ray From pdelevett at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 03:45:15 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (pdelevett at yahoo.com) Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 20:45:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oooh, Baby! Message-ID: <660320.68628.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than 11 points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the field. In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better: nearly 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He won't average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he can keep his confidence going, he could replace some of the dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and PJ left. Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string of nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio and nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest. From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 17:48:33 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:48:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oooh, Baby! In-Reply-To: <660320.68628.qm@web110116.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <108317.48766.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yeah, Baby has surprised me, not only with the numbers but with the clutchness of those #s. He had about 8 points in the 4th quarter last night, including the bucket that pretty much put the Cs ahead for good. When he plays with energy he's a very hard player to stop... And Marbury has almost single-handedly solidified the bench. All of a sudden, we can play 5 bench guys at a time and not fall off a cliff. TA has fit in very well at small forward, a position most thought he couldn't play, while House is having a career year playing his natural position, shooting guard. Wait until KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point threats coming off the bench in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby). Ryan --- On Fri, 4/10/09, pdelevett at yahoo.com wrote: > From: pdelevett at yahoo.com > Subject: Oooh, Baby! > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 10:45 PM > In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than 11 > points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the > field. > > In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better: nearly > 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He won't > average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he can > keep his confidence going, he could replace some of the > dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and PJ > left. > > Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string of > nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio and > nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From douglas342 at aol.com Sat Apr 11 18:35:45 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 14:35:45 -0400 Subject: Oooh, Baby! In-Reply-To: <108317.48766.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB88EB763E7336-A98-23D6@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> I read today that KG is expected back full-time for one of the last two games. I understand Scal is probably done for the year. What's the latest on Powe? Any complaints from Tony about his hand? Too bad we don't have a full-time KG for the Cavs game. Like it or not, it's a statement game. They have lost one home game all year, and that's a record we Cs fans do NOT want to share. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan W To: celtics at igtc.com Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:48 am Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! Yeah, Baby has surprised me, not only with the numbers but with the clutchness of those #s. He had about 8 points in the 4th quarter last night, including the bucket that pretty much put the Cs ahead for good. When he plays with energy he's a very hard player to stop... And Marbury has almost single-handedly solidified the bench. All of a sudden, we can play 5 bench guys at a time and not fall off a cliff. TA has fit in very well at small forward, a position most thought he couldn't play, while House is having a career year playing his natural position, shooting guard. Wait until KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point threats coming off the bench in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby). Ryan --- On Fri, 4/10/09, pdelevett at yahoo.com wrote: > From: pdelevett at yahoo.com > Subject: Oooh, Baby! > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 10:45 PM > In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than 11 > points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the > field. > > In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better: nearly > 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He won't > average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he can > keep his confidence going, he could replace some of the > dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and PJ > left. > > Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string of > nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio and > nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest. > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Sat Apr 11 20:25:06 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 16:25:06 -0400 Subject: Oooh, Baby! In-Reply-To: <8CB88EB763E7336-A98-23D6@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090411162506.2H7JA.106321.imail@eastrmwml28> Let's see if the Cavs go undefeated at home in the playoffs, a feat we accomplished that same year. I don't think they can, but you never know. ---- douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > I read today that KG is expected back full-time for one of the last two > games. I understand Scal is probably done for the year. What's the > latest on Powe? Any complaints from Tony about his hand? > > Too bad we don't have a full-time KG for the Cavs game. Like it or > not, it's a statement game. They have lost one home game all year, and > that's a record we Cs fans do NOT want to share. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan W > To: celtics at igtc.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:48 am > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > > > > Yeah, Baby has surprised me, not only with the numbers but with the > clutchness > of those #s. He had about 8 points in the 4th quarter last night, > including the > bucket that pretty much put the Cs ahead for good. When he plays with > energy > he's a very hard player to stop... > > And Marbury has almost single-handedly solidified the bench. All of a > sudden, > we can play 5 bench guys at a time and not fall off a cliff. TA has > fit in very > well at small forward, a position most thought he couldn't play, while > House is > having a career year playing his natural position, shooting guard. > Wait until > KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point threats coming off > the bench > in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby). > > Ryan > > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, pdelevett at yahoo.com wrote: > > > From: pdelevett at yahoo.com > > Subject: Oooh, Baby! > > To: celtics at igtc.com > > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 10:45 PM > > In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than 11 > > points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the > > field. > > > > In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better: nearly > > 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He won't > > average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he can > > keep his confidence going, he could replace some of the > > dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and PJ > > left. > > > > Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string of > > nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio and > > nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 20:48:08 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oooh, Baby! In-Reply-To: <8CB88EB763E7336-A98-23D6@webmail-dh33.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <498139.32081.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Powe apparently looked great in the pregame shoot around yesterday...but he's doubtful for the last 2 games of the season. The plan is, I think, to have him back for Game 1 of the First Round. Nothing to report about Tony's hand. He looks good so far... KG probably could come back for the Cavs game, if he wanted. It's probably the best move to hold him back, since he's probably more likely to ease his way back into action against the Wizards than he is against the Cavs. The Cav game is going to be emotional, and we don't want KG needlessly overextending himself. I think we're going to beat the Cavs anyway. Ryan --- On Sat, 4/11/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:35 PM > I read today that KG is expected back full-time for one of > the last two > games. I understand Scal is probably done for the year. > What's the > latest on Powe? Any complaints from Tony about his hand? > > Too bad we don't have a full-time KG for the Cavs game. > Like it or > not, it's a statement game. They have lost one home > game all year, and > that's a record we Cs fans do NOT want to share. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan W > To: celtics at igtc.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:48 am > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > > > > Yeah, Baby has surprised me, not only with the numbers but > with the > clutchness > of those #s. He had about 8 points in the 4th quarter last > night, > including the > bucket that pretty much put the Cs ahead for good. When he > plays with > energy > he's a very hard player to stop... > > And Marbury has almost single-handedly solidified the > bench. All of a > sudden, > we can play 5 bench guys at a time and not fall off a > cliff. TA has > fit in very > well at small forward, a position most thought he > couldn't play, while > House is > having a career year playing his natural position, shooting > guard. > Wait until > KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point > threats coming off > the bench > in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby). > > Ryan > > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, pdelevett at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: pdelevett at yahoo.com > > Subject: Oooh, Baby! > > To: celtics at igtc.com > > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 10:45 PM > > In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than > 11 > > points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the > > field. > > > > In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better: > nearly > > 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He > won't > > average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he > can > > keep his confidence going, he could replace some of > the > > dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and > PJ > > left. > > > > Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string > of > > nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio > and > > nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From douglas342 at aol.com Sat Apr 11 21:05:07 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:05:07 -0400 Subject: Oooh, Baby! In-Reply-To: <498139.32081.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB890053D3C9E2-7FC-51@WEBMAIL-DZ25.sysops.aol.com> I just realized that I may miss that game. After ten years, I ended my DirectTV subscription today because we bought into the Verizon fiber optic bundle. With Direct goes this year's NBA League Pass. Maybe the Cavs game will be on ESPN or something. I'm more nervous than I was last year, but at the same time, maybe even more excited. It's going to be a great fight, and win or lose, I think we'll see some great, great basketball. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan W To: celtics at igtc.com Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 1:48 pm Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! Powe apparently looked great in the pregame shoot around yesterday...but he's doubtful for the last 2 games of the season. The plan is, I think, to have him back for Game 1 of the First Round. Nothing to report about Tony's hand. He looks good so far... KG probably could come back for the Cavs game, if he wanted. It's probably the best move to hold him back, since he's probably more likely to ease his way back into action against the Wizards than he is against the Cavs. The Cav game is going to be emotional, and we don't want KG needlessly overextending himself. I think we're going to beat the Cavs anyway. Ryan --- On Sat, 4/11/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:35 PM > I read today that KG is expected back full-time for one of > the last two > games. I understand Scal is probably done for the year. > What's the > latest on Powe? Any complaints from Tony about his hand? > > Too bad we don't have a full-time KG for the Cavs game. > Like it or > not, it's a statement game. They have lost one home > game all year, and > that's a record we Cs fans do NOT want to share. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan W > To: celtics at igtc.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:48 am > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > > > > Yeah, Baby has surprised me, not only with the numbers but > with the > clutchness > of those #s. He had about 8 points in the 4th quarter last > night, > including the > bucket that pretty much put the Cs ahead for good. When he > plays with > energy > he's a very hard player to stop... > > And Marbury has almost single-handedly solidified the > bench. All of a > sudden, > we can play 5 bench guys at a time and not fall off a > cliff. TA has > fit in very > well at small forward, a position most thought he > couldn't play, while > House is > having a career year playing his natural position, shooting > guard. > Wait until > KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point > threats coming off > the bench > in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby). > > Ryan > > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, pdelevett at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: pdelevett at yahoo.com > > Subject: Oooh, Baby! > > To: celtics at igtc.com > > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 10:45 PM > > In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than > 11 > > points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the > > field. > > > > In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better: > nearly > > 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He > won't > > average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he > can > > keep his confidence going, he could replace some of > the > > dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and > PJ > > left. > > > > Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string > of > > nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio > and > > nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com Sat Apr 11 21:10:08 2009 From: roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com (Belanger, Roger) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:10:08 -0400 Subject: Oooh, Baby! Message-ID: <37451F909D962F4684FE4127C64208A8796EC9@invsfoxxchpub01> Cav's game is a national broadcast on ABC. -----Original Message----- From: douglas342 at aol.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:05 PM To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com ; celtics at igtc.com Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! I just realized that I may miss that game. After ten years, I ended my DirectTV subscription today because we bought into the Verizon fiber optic bundle. With Direct goes this year's NBA League Pass. Maybe the Cavs game will be on ESPN or something. I'm more nervous than I was last year, but at the same time, maybe even more excited. It's going to be a great fight, and win or lose, I think we'll see some great, great basketball. -----Original Message----- From: Ryan W To: celtics at igtc.com Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 1:48 pm Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! Powe apparently looked great in the pregame shoot around yesterday...but he's doubtful for the last 2 games of the season. The plan is, I think, to have him back for Game 1 of the First Round. Nothing to report about Tony's hand. He looks good so far... KG probably could come back for the Cavs game, if he wanted. It's probably the best move to hold him back, since he's probably more likely to ease his way back into action against the Wizards than he is against the Cavs. The Cav game is going to be emotional, and we don't want KG needlessly overextending himself. I think we're going to beat the Cavs anyway. Ryan --- On Sat, 4/11/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:35 PM > I read today that KG is expected back full-time for one of > the last two > games. I understand Scal is probably done for the year. > What's the > latest on Powe? Any complaints from Tony about his hand? > > Too bad we don't have a full-time KG for the Cavs game. > Like it or > not, it's a statement game. They have lost one home > game all year, and > that's a record we Cs fans do NOT want to share. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan W > To: celtics at igtc.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:48 am > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > > > > Yeah, Baby has surprised me, not only with the numbers but > with the > clutchness > of those #s. He had about 8 points in the 4th quarter last > night, > including the > bucket that pretty much put the Cs ahead for good. When he > plays with > energy > he's a very hard player to stop... > > And Marbury has almost single-handedly solidified the > bench. All of a > sudden, > we can play 5 bench guys at a time and not fall off a > cliff. TA has > fit in very > well at small forward, a position most thought he > couldn't play, while > House is > having a career year playing his natural position, shooting > guard. > Wait until > KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point > threats coming off > the bench > in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby). > > Ryan > > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, pdelevett at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: pdelevett at yahoo.com > > Subject: Oooh, Baby! > > To: celtics at igtc.com > > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 10:45 PM > > In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than > 11 > > points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the > > field. > > > > In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better: > nearly > > 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He > won't > > average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he > can > > keep his confidence going, he could replace some of > the > > dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and > PJ > > left. > > > > Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string > of > > nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio > and > > nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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For a list of European legal entities within the Invensys Group, please go to http://www.invensys.com/legal/default.asp?top_nav_id=77&nav_id=80&prev_id=77. You may contact Invensys plc on +44 (0)20 7821 3848 or e-mail inet.hqhelpdesk at invensys.com. This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). From Eric at ericalbert.net Sat Apr 11 21:13:39 2009 From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:13:39 -0400 Subject: Oooh, Baby! In-Reply-To: <8CB890053D3C9E2-7FC-51@WEBMAIL-DZ25.sysops.aol.com> References: <498139.32081.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> <8CB890053D3C9E2-7FC-51@WEBMAIL-DZ25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090411211147.A8E75E181BF@ignite.igtc.com> >I just realized that I may miss that game. After ten years, I ended my DirectTV subscription today because we bought into the Verizon fiber optic bundle. With Direct goes this year's NBA League Pass. Maybe the Cavs game will be on ESPN or something. You're in luck -- it's on ABC. Should be exciting. -- Eric From bceltics33 at optonline.net Sun Apr 12 02:17:47 2009 From: bceltics33 at optonline.net (Anne Cankosyan) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 22:17:47 -0400 Subject: Oooh, Baby! References: <8CB890053D3C9E2-7FC-51@WEBMAIL-DZ25.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <99E5DF0E06AC402F8D150B997104B25F@Office> In our area (NYC), Verizon FIOS will be getting the NBA League pass all in HD. Hopefully it will be available for the 09-10 season. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:05 PM Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! >I just realized that I may miss that game. After ten years, I ended my >DirectTV subscription today because we bought into the Verizon fiber optic >bundle. With Direct goes this year's NBA League Pass. Maybe the Cavs game >will be on ESPN or something. > > I'm more nervous than I was last year, but at the same time, maybe even > more excited. It's going to be a great fight, and win or lose, I think > we'll see some great, great basketball. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan W > To: celtics at igtc.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 1:48 pm > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > > > > Powe apparently looked great in the pregame shoot around yesterday...but > he's > doubtful for the last 2 games of the season. The plan is, I think, to > have him > back for Game 1 of the First Round. > > Nothing to report about Tony's hand. He looks good so far... > > KG probably could come back for the Cavs game, if he wanted. It's > probably the > best move to hold him back, since he's probably more likely to ease his > way back > into action against the Wizards than he is against the Cavs. The Cav game > is > going to be emotional, and we don't want KG needlessly overextending > himself. > > I think we're going to beat the Cavs anyway. > > Ryan > > > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > >> From: douglas342 at aol.com >> Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! >> To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com >> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:35 PM >> I read today that KG is expected back full-time for one of >> the last two >> games. I understand Scal is probably done for the year. >> What's the >> latest on Powe? Any complaints from Tony about his hand? >> >> Too bad we don't have a full-time KG for the Cavs game. >> Like it or >> not, it's a statement game. They have lost one home >> game all year, and >> that's a record we Cs fans do NOT want to share. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ryan W >> To: celtics at igtc.com >> Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:48 am >> Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! >> >> >> >> Yeah, Baby has surprised me, not only with the numbers but >> with the >> clutchness >> of those #s. He had about 8 points in the 4th quarter last >> night, >> including the >> bucket that pretty much put the Cs ahead for good. When he >> plays with >> energy >> he's a very hard player to stop... >> >> And Marbury has almost single-handedly solidified the >> bench. All of a >> sudden, >> we can play 5 bench guys at a time and not fall off a >> cliff. TA has >> fit in very >> well at small forward, a position most thought he >> couldn't play, while >> House is >> having a career year playing his natural position, shooting >> guard. >> Wait until >> KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point >> threats coming off >> the bench >> in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby). >> >> Ryan >> >> >> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, pdelevett at yahoo.com >> wrote: >> >> > From: pdelevett at yahoo.com >> > Subject: Oooh, Baby! >> > To: celtics at igtc.com >> > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 10:45 PM >> > In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than >> 11 >> > points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the >> > field. >> > >> > In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better: >> nearly >> > 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He >> won't >> > average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he >> can >> > keep his confidence going, he could replace some of >> the >> > dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and >> PJ >> > left. >> > >> > Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string >> of >> > nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio >> and >> > nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> > celtics at igtc.com >> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> celtics at igtc.com >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From douglas342 at aol.com Sun Apr 12 03:08:59 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 23:08:59 -0400 Subject: Oooh, Baby! In-Reply-To: <99E5DF0E06AC402F8D150B997104B25F@Office> References: <8CB890053D3C9E2-7FC-51@WEBMAIL-DZ25.sysops.aol.com> <99E5DF0E06AC402F8D150B997104B25F@Office> Message-ID: <8CB8933287A567C-B6C-100B@WEBMAIL-DZ20.sysops.aol.com> Yeah, I assume it will also be available here in SoCal by then. Too bad I miss out on KGs return. -----Original Message----- From: Anne Cankosyan To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 7:17 pm Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! In our area (NYC), Verizon FIOS will be getting the NBA League pass all in HD. Hopefully it will be available for the 09-10 season.? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: ? To: ; ? Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 5:05 PM? Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby!? ? >I just realized that I may miss that game. After ten years, I ended my >DirectTV subscription today because we bought into the Verizon fiber optic >bundle. With Direct goes this year's NBA League Pass. Maybe the Cavs game >will be on ESPN or something.? >? > I'm more nervous than I was last year, but at the same time, maybe even > more excited. It's going to be a great fight, and win or lose, I think > we'll see some great, great basketball.? >? >? > -----Original Message-----? > From: Ryan W ? > To: celtics at igtc.com? > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 1:48 pm? > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby!? >? >? >? > Powe apparently looked great in the pregame shoot around yesterday...but > he's? > doubtful for the last 2 g ames of the season. The plan is, I think, to > have him? > back for Game 1 of the First Round.? >? > Nothing to report about Tony's hand. He looks good so far...? >? > KG probably could come back for the Cavs game, if he wanted. It's > probably the? > best move to hold him back, since he's probably more likely to ease his > way back? > into action against the Wizards than he is against the Cavs. The Cav game > is? > going to be emotional, and we don't want KG needlessly overextending > himself.? >? > I think we're going to beat the Cavs anyway.? >? > Ryan? >? >? > --- On Sat, 4/11/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote:? >? >> From: douglas342 at aol.com ? >> Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby!? >> To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com? >> Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:35 PM? >> I read today that KG is expected back full-time for one of? >> the last two? >> games. I understand Scal is probably done for the year.? >> What's the? >> latest on Powe? Any complaints from Tony about his hand?? >>? >> Too bad we don't have a full-time KG for the Cavs game.? >> Like it or? >> not, it's a statement game. They have lost one home? >> game all year, and? >> that's a record we Cs fans do NOT want to share.? >>? >>? >> -----Origin al Message-----? >> From: Ryan W ? >> To: celtics at igtc.com? >> Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:48 am? >> Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby!? >>? >>? >>? >> Yeah, Baby has surprised me, not only with the numbers but? >> with the? >> clutchness? >> of those #s. He had about 8 points in the 4th quarter last? >> night,? >> including the? >> bucket that pretty much put the Cs ahead for good. When he? >> plays with? >> energy? >> he's a very hard player to stop...? >>? >> And Marbury has almost single-handedly solidified the? >> bench. All of a? >> sudden,? >> we can play 5 bench guys at a time and not fall off a? >> cliff. TA has? >> fit in very? >> well at small forward, a position most thought he? >> couldn't play, while? >> House is? >> having a career year playing his natural position, shooting? >> guard.? >> Wait until? >> KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point? >> threats coming off? >> the bench? >> in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby).? >>? >> Ryan? >>? >>? >> --- On Fri, 4/10/09, pdelevett at yahoo.com? >> wrote:? >>? >> > From: pdelevett at yahoo.com ? >> > Subject: Oooh, Baby!? >> > To: celtics at igtc.com? >> > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009,=2 010:45 PM? >> > In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than? >> 11? >> > points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the? >> > field.? >> >? >> > In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better:? >> nearly? >> > 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He? >> won't? >> > average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he? >> can? >> > keep his confidence going, he could replace some of? >> the? >> > dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and? >> PJ? >> > left.? >> >? >> > Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string? >> of? >> > nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio? >> and? >> > nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest.? >> >? >> >? >> >? >> >? >> >? >> >? >> >? >> >? >> >? >> >? >> > _______________________________________________? >> > The Boston Celtics Mailing List? >> > celtics at igtc.com? >> > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? >>? >>? >>? >>? >> _______________________________________________? >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List? >> celtics at igtc.com? >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? >? >? >? >? > _______________________________________________? > The Boston Celtics Mailing List? > celtics at igtc.com? >=2 0http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? >? > _______________________________________________? > The Boston Celtics Mailing List? > celtics at igtc.com? > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? > ? _______________________________________________? The Boston Celtics Mailing List? celtics at igtc.com? http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? From BDodgers at aol.com Sun Apr 12 04:23:09 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:23:09 EDT Subject: Orlando Magic are heading in the wrong direction Message-ID: EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. (AP) -With less than a week left in what had been a great season, the _Orlando Magic_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/magic/index.html) are heading in the wrong direction, and that's not all that is wrong. The Magic not only saw their bid for the No. 2 seed in the Eastern Conference end with a 103-93 loss to the _New Jersey Nets_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/nets/index.html) on Saturday night, they also endured the sight of _Hedo Turkoglu_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3415/index.html) being helped off the court in the fourth quarter with a sprained left ankle. Coach Stan Van Gundy did not know the extent of the injury, but it has to be a concern with his team playing poorly and knowing that fellow forward _Rashard Lewis_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3275/index.html) is battling tendinitis in his right knee. ''It was terrible,'' Van Gundy said after the Magic (58-22) lost their second straight and third in four. ''We're playing with no energy and lack of defensive commitment. When you do that you're going to get killed and we got dominated tonight.'' _Vince Carter_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3248/index.html) led the way for New Jersey with 27 points and nine assists, but this also was a Nets' starting lineup that featured three rookies - center _Brook Lopez_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/4472/index.html) , forward _Ryan Anderson_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/4483/index.html) and guard Chris Douglas-Roberts. ''We are playing to win,'' Carter said. ''I don't want to disrespect the game. I want to give an effort and come to play. We're not trying to play spoilers. This is about us and that's what it has been about all year.'' _Keyon Dooling_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3409/index.html) added 12 points and 10 assists for the Nets, who played without All-Star guard _Devin Harris_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3822/index.html) (shoulder). Lopez added 13 points and 11 rebounds for the Nets, who were eliminated from playoff contention earlier this week. Douglas-Roberts had 10 points and Anderson nine. ''It was a good game for us,'' Dooling said after the Nets shot 54 percent from the field and 55 percent from 3-point range. ''You can't look back and say we didn't we play like this all the time. Good teams in this league do it every night. Mediocre teams do it some nights. We're learning.'' Turkoglu, who was going to get limited minutes in the last two games according to Van Gundy, had 16 points before being hurt. _Tony Battie_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3176/index.html) and _Mickael Pietrus_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3714/index.html) added 14 points apiece, while _Dwight Howard_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3818/index.html) had an off night with seven points and eight rebounds. Turkoglu was not in the locker room after the game but Howard said he believed all he had was a twisted ankle. ''I don't know what to call this,'' Howard said of the team's play. ''I just know we have to get out of it soon or we are going to be in trouble come playoff time. We have to do something about this.'' Orlando, which will be the No. 3 seed in the East, came into the game needing to win its final three games and have Boston (60-19) lose its final three to get the second slot behind _LeBron James_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3704/index.html) and the Cavaliers. However, Van Gundy noted that the chances of that were slim and he elected to give Lewis (17.7 points) the next two games off to rest tendinitis in his right knee. Orlando stayed close for a quarter playing its fourth game in five nights, but the Nets pushed a four-point first-quarter lead to 10 at the half behind 11 points from _Josh Boone_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/4151/index.html) . They increased the margin to 15 in the third quarter when Carter hit consecutive 3-pointers for a 73-58 lead. ''The biggest thing is the defense,'' Howard said. ''We're not helping and when we do, the next man isn't there. We got to get it going before the playoffs start.'' Orlando hung around until midway through the fourth quarter, getting within 87-82 on a short jumper by _Anthony Johnson_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3207/index.html) with 7:37 to play. _Bobby Simmons_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3551/index.html) then hit one of the Nets' 11 3-pointers and Orlando never got close again. Notes: Van Gundy said Lewis would also sit out Monday against Milwaukee, adding that Howard would have their minutes cut in the final two games. ...The first and second quarters ended with buzzer beaters. Carter hit a 3-pointer at the end of the first and _Rafer Alston_ (http://www.si.com/basketball/nba/players/3282/index.html) hit a jumper for the Magic just before the half. Alston finished with 13 points and eight assists. **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From BDodgers at aol.com Sun Apr 12 04:26:11 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:26:11 EDT Subject: Steve Aschburner > INSIDE THE NBA Message-ID: Steve Aschburner > INSIDE THE NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/steve_aschburner/archive/) Plenty of candidates poised to ride on latest spin of coaching carousel Story Highlights Eight coaches have been fired in NBA since current season started Ed Tapscott's preference for front office could mean a new coach for Wizards Flip Saunders led Pistons to three straight Eastern Conference finals With the possible exception of Congressional seats, the annual comings and goings in the NBA's head coaching ranks is arguably our biggest game of musical chairs. It's played with far greater frequency than the politicians' version, certainly, and to the best of our knowledge, none of the vacancies ever has been blatantly put up for sale. Not even in Chicago. The chairs are in position again, 30 of them. Currently, they are filled by 30 butts. But it's an equilibrium that never lasts, a temporary condition in between the music. Eight of the men who sat in those chairs back in November are parked elsewhere now, replaced one by one by wannabes, retreads and other surrogates. Now they and the other 22 get to play again (to varying degrees, based on their contracts) in a high-stakes game that keeps contestants aspiring or coming back like it's a green-felt spot at a World Series of Poker table. Those who have been in want to get back. Those who are in want to stay. Those who haven't yet played long for a chance. "You hope it's not [a permanent condition]," said former Toronto coach _Sam Mitchell_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/233) , fired Dec. 3 after a 39-point home loss to Denver dropped the Raptors to 8-9. "I've got control to a certain degree, but somebody's got to want you first. Somebody's got to want you." Mitchell, with a 156-189 record over four-plus seasons, had led Toronto to the playoffs (and first-round exits) in each of the past two seasons and was the NBA's Coach of the Year for 2006-07. He was done in by the team's sluggish start, some injuries, player-development disputes and the reality that he wasn't hired by general manager Bryan Colangelo. The Raptors' 22-39 mark since Mitchell has been gone might be vindication, were he seeking it, and the guaranteed $10 million or so due him from the point of his termination into the 2010-11 season would seem a pretty soothing balm. Yet Mitchell sounds uninterested in the former and willing to work for the latter. He has been living the life of a "paid bum" -- that's his mother's term for him these days in Atlanta, attending his girls' volleyball games and getting by without organized basketball in late winter and spring for the first time in more than 30 years, 12 as a blue-collar NBA forward. "I honestly have no regrets," Mitchell said. "Like I told Bryan when I got fired, no coach agrees with being fired. I feel like today, I'll feel like tomorrow and next week and next month, that I was doing a good job. But that's not my decision. Once the decision was made, my whole thing is, whatever you say to me or do to me, that's on you. I still control what I do with it. And how I feel about it. And how I choose to deal with it. "You just roll with it. Obviously, you'd much rather be working." Natch. Mitchell and several dozen other guys who covet the challenge, the competition, the status and the salaries of an NBA head coaching job. Eight firings and hirings during this season might limit the number of vacancies this summer. So might the tough economic times that have hit even the moguls and magnates who own sports franchises; paying one or two former coaches not to work, while signing someone else to a fresh contract, hits harder now, less subject to whim or pique. Still, history tells us that somebody who has one of these jobs soon won't and somebody who doesn't soon will. The others? When the music stops, there will no chairs for them. Unless it's courtside or in a studio, with a headset and microphone wired and ready. Here are the five teams most likely to be hiring a coach this offseason and five candidates especially eager to help lower this nation's unemployment rate: Where the jobs are 1. _Washington Wizards_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/wizards) Ed Tapscott's work in place of Eddie Jordan has been an improvement -- after the 1-10 start that got Jordan fired, even Roy Rubin/Kevin Loughery circa 1972-73 would have been. But Tapscott prefers and is at his best in the front office, so it will be left to a replacement to shepherd _Gilbert Arenas_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3540) , _Caron Butler_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3608) , _Antawn Jamison_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3247) and a top lottery pick through a healthier and presumably happier 2009-10. 2. _Sacramento Kings_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/kings) The Kings gave serious consideration to hiring Scott Brooks two years ago before opting instead for Reggie Theus, who overachieved at 38-44 last season but got fired at 6-18 this time around. Sacramento's losses have come at brisker pace since then, and the Maloof brothers, who own the Kings, aren't the types to stick with a bad hand of cards. They are the team most in need of a big-name coach with more sizzle than Kenny Natt offers. 3. _Minnesota Timberwolves_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/timberwolves) Kevin McHale always took a couple of weeks after the season to decide whether he would return as Minnesota's vice president of basketball operations. Now owner Glen Taylor -- for the same inexplicable reason -- is allowing McHale to make up his mind whether to come back as the Wolves' coach. His record since taking over for Randy Wittman is 18-40, but that can be broken out according to pre- and post-_Al Jefferson_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3832) marks (11-18, then 7-22 after their All-Star worthy focal point went down in early February). McHale hates the coaching lifestyle and workload but still is enthused about his roster -- oh, so he's the one -- and did get a nice pay bump from his exec's paycheck. 4. _Phoenix Suns_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/suns) Other than Natt and McHale, Alvin Gentry might be the interim coach installed during this season who is on shakiest ground. Brooks needs only a bit of leverage from some other opening, if he needs anything at all, to land a full-time deal in Oklahoma City. Jay Triano is popular, bright and a Canadian, strong selling points to be back in Toronto. Philadelphia's Tony DiLeo steered the Sixers into the postseason without _Elton Brand_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3324) 's help. We've already mentioned Tapscott, and Memphis' Lionel Hollins got a deal through next season, whether he works it to conclusion or not. That leaves Gentry, who is 15-12 since replacing _Terry Porter_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/271) despite injuries (_Amar'e Stoudemire_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3607/index.html) ), disarray and dobbers that are down over the team's unexpected fall from playoff status. Gentry deserves a fresh start -- coaching wasn't the Suns' primary problem under Porter, either -- but a lot of capricious moves in Phoenix suggests another could come at coach. 5. _Los Angeles Clippers_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/clippers) Talk about injuries. It isn't so much that _Mike Dunleavy_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3601) has done a poor job this season, it's just that he already was on borrowed time; no other coach in the franchise's 39 seasons lasted more than four seasons (Bill Fitch, 1994-98) and Dunleavy is wrapping up his sixth with just one postseason appearance. Owner Donald Sterling used to change coaches more often than he changed shoelaces, so you'd think the Clippers' dip back into the muck of 60 losses would fire up this Donald. With the emphasis on "fire." Who might fill them 1. Flip Saunders Absence makes the heart grow fonder, and it works wonders on market value, too. Detroit's struggles this season after three straight trips to the Eastern Conference finals, and Minnesota's 130-226 record since Saunders got fired there in February 2005, make him a must-consider candidate this summer. He can afford to be picky -- there's always his alma mater, the University of Minnesota, as an option whenever Tubby Smith gets lured away -- and he likely won't be held back by things his past teams failed to accomplish. Washington could be the best fit, given the Wizards' potent offense and Arenas' need for a boss with loose reins. 2. Eddie Jordan A return to Sacramento, where he preceded Rick Adelman? Players swear by Jordan, even if they didn't win much for him in November, and he seems to have gotten a raw deal both times he has been fired. The standard offset in his contract holds appeal for a team happy to let the Wizards pick up much of his first-year cost. 3. _Avery Johnson_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/168) When exactly was Johnson exposed to a radioactive strain of ebola? You would think that this guy -- admired and praised as a point guard, head-spinningly successful as Dallas' coach -- would be working elsewhere by now. He won 143 games with the Mavericks in two-plus seasons, while losing only 39, before earning a pink slip with a 51-31 mark in 2007-08 while apparently irritating _Dirk Nowitzki_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3252) and others. Johnson's decision-making on matchups and rotations drew criticism, as did his style at times, but if we all learn something in our first jobs, you've got to think he'd be a top candidate for a second. 4. Tom Thibodeau Enough already with the bridesmaid dress. Thibodeau has been the next big thing in the coaching ranks for almost too long, and Jeff Van Gundy -- himself a candidate to return, but maybe not for another season or two -- and Doc Rivers continue to beat the Thibodeau drum. Like most sports leagues, NBA folks like to steal other guys' winning formulas, so a return to the Finals by Thibodeau's employers in Boston would freshen up his r?sum?. Another assistant due for a shot: Dallas' Dwane Casey, whose 20-20 record when he got fired in Minnesota in January 2007 seems Auerbach-esque next to what's occurred there since. 5. _Sam Mitchell_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/233) Of the 19 men who have won the past 20 Coach of the Year awards (Pat Riley won two), seven seem to be off the coaching carousel entirely (Riley, Hubie Brown, Lenny Wilkens, Don Chaney, Larry Bird, Del Harris and the late Cotton Fitzsimmons). Nine are still employed -- but only two, Gregg Popovich and Byron Scott, are still running the teams with which they won the award (Don Nelson has changed jobs three times to end up back in Golden State, where he won it in 1992). That leaves Johnson and Mitchell. Mitchell might have an "in" with the Wizards, since GM Ernie Grunfeld gave him his first assistant's job in Milwaukee. Another possibility is Minnesota if McHale vacates. For now, since the job if filled, Mitchell considers the question "rude." **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Apr 12 04:36:22 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: ESPN - Sunday Dime: Can Cleveland go 40-1 at home? Message-ID: <448850.52044.qm@web63807.mail.re1.yahoo.com> From: http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dime-090412 1 Can The Cavs Tie The '85-86 Celtics' Record At Home? By Dr. Jack Ramsay ESPN I always felt that if you could win 30 home games in the NBA you were going to have a great season. But to win 40? That's off the charts. However, I think the Cavs will do it this year. Of course, if they can pull it off they'll match the 1985-86 Boston Celtics for the best home record in NBA history. I coached the Portland Trail Blazers team that gave those Celtics their only home loss that season. We had an OK team, not a great team. We had lost badly at Atlanta on that road trip and Kiki Vandeweghe was hobbling so I sent him home to get rehabbed. I think that turned out to be an important factor in that win in Boston. Kiki was a very good offensive player, but with him out I used Jerome Kersey more off the bench and Jerome ran past Larry Bird and anyone else who guarded him that night. He and Steve Colter, another reserve, both out-quicked their matchups in that game. We could really run. We got into a very strong up-tempo game and the Celtics never really responded. As I recall, near the end of the third period we opened up a lead and the game was over. I think another factor was that the Celtics took us lightly that night in early December and I don't think that Cleveland, with the record at hand, will be doing that this year. The Cavs only have Boston and Philadelphia left on their home schedule. Boston will be without Kevin Garnett and Leon Powe, who I don't think you should forget. Without Boston at full strength I think Cleveland will win that game. Philadelphia has been very erratic lately and has not been playing very well. And the Cavs want this record. Plus, they could be playing for home-court advantage throughout the playoffs. The home-court advantages for both teams are strong. Boston was always a tough place to play. The old Garden had the dead spots on the parquet floor, the overheated dressing rooms with the ice-cold showers. All those old stories are true. But the Celtics had great teams, too. I don't think these Cavs are in that class, but they win and you have to credit that to LeBron James, who on many occasions just wills that team to win. And I think they have a very partisan, vocal home-court following. But this level of success is surprising. I've spoken to some of their players about it and no one really expected this type of season. They hoped to be better with the additions and subtractions to their roster. The additions of Mo Williams and Delonte West are well documented, but I don't think people talk enough about the subtractions and how they've helped this team. They are without Drew Gooden, Damon Jones and Larry Hughes but there is a camaraderie among these players that wasn't there last year. Mike Brown says he's never had a group like this. The players say the same thing. This is a very, very tight-knit group. There is a great rapport between the players and the coaching staff, and I give Mike Brown a lot of credit for that. He has relinquished some authority while still maintaining his place as the decision-maker. If you watch their games, you'll notice that his assistants will take over a time out huddle. Michael Malone will talk on defense with them or John Kuester will diagram plays and on those occasions Brown sits back and watches. It clearly seems to be working. I asked West what was different about this team. He's been with three teams in the league in his career: Boston, Seattle and Cleveland. He said he was never with a team when a coach asked his opinion about a play or how to defend somebody. There's a great feeling among the players. They spend a lot of time together. They have a great practice facility that serves three meals a day when they are home. So the single guys start going there and pretty soon they all go. They go out together all the time. Even on days they don't practice they still come into the facility and hang out. That type of togetherness is seldom the case with NBA teams. When you have that, you have something rare. Legendary coach and Hall of Famer Dr. Jack Ramsay serves as lead game analyst for the NBA on ESPN Radio. 2 Celtics Bench Notes By Zach Lowe | TrueHoop Network I think we all know the Celtics' chances of winning a championship begin and end with the muscle that runs behind Kevin Garnett's right knee. The signs there seem positive -- he's likely practicing Monday, along with Leon Powe -- and Tony Allen is playing again. And Stephon Marbury, even with a hideous offensive rating (92) and field goal percentage (32 percent) and free throw rate (nonexistent), seems to be settling into his role as Eddie House's personal waiter off the bench. And House -- he's answered all the questions. Glen Davis and Leon Powe have answered most of them. So all of a sudden, the Celtics have what might be termed a "good problem": At least 11 guys appear to be guaranteed some sort of postseason playing time. (All of the above and Mikki Moore; I'm still assuming Brian Scalabrine won't see much time, if any). Distributing postseason minutes to 11 guys is a challenge, and it won't happen without someone -- at least one person -- having their minutes cut substantially. I spent some quality time with all 26 game flows from last year's playoffs at the invaluable PopcornMachine and found one obvious conclusion: The days of five subs being on the floor together end when the playoffs start -- or at least they did last year. In 19 of the 26 playoff games last season, the Celtics had at least one member of the Big Three on the floor for all 48 minutes. The exceptions were the ends of seven blowouts -- Games 1, 2, 5 and 7 against Atlanta; Game 3 at Cleveland; Game 4 at Detroit; and the last 4:02 of Game 6 against Los Angeles. So if last season is any indication, we've seen the last of the all-bench lineups in meaningful minutes. (Though I wouldn't be shocked if Doc fiddled with an all-bench group once or twice in the first round). During the postseason, the typical C's "bench" lineup featured Paul Pierce or Ray Allen, House or Sam Cassell, Powe or Glen Davis, James Posey and P.J. Brown And Doc timed it so that Pierce and Allen were out there for every second with the bench. The second quarter of Game 2 against Detroit is a perfect example. Pierce played the first 2:34 of the quarter with House, Brown, Posey and Powe. Doc replaced Pierce with Ray Allen, who played just 45 seconds before picking up two fouls. Rather than rest Pierce for the length he'd planned and risk having five subs in the game, Doc sent Pierce -- and KG -- back onto the floor. The Celtics rarely went small, because they really had only two "small" rotation players (Rajon Rondo and whichever of the House/Cassell tandem Doc preferred on that day), and Doc rarely played them together. All of this meant a substantial contraction in minutes for the backups: 2007-08 Bench Minutes Player Regular-season mins. Playoff mins. Playoff games Glen Davis 13.6 8.0 17 Leon Powe 14.4 11.7 23 Tony Allen 18.3 4.3 15 Eddie House 19.0 7.8 21 (P.J. Brown played 13.6 minutes per game, Posey about 22 and Cassell about 12.5 in 21 games). So what does Doc do this year? I'm assuming House has earned his 15-20 minutes a game, and I suspect that Tony Allen, if he's ready, is going to play at least 12-15 minutes in close games. He's the only wing-type defender on the second unit, and his ability to attack the rim and draw fouls is an important weapon off the bench. It sounds like Marbury has earned his way into the guard rotation, and we know Powe and Davis will get minutes (if Powe is healthy). Moore's been up and down in Boston (his game log is here), but he's played well in three of his past four games, his offensive rating is up to 119 with the C's and he's basically been a wash in raw plus/minus. (The offense scores 2.5 fewer points per 100 possessions with him on the floor and the defense gives up about six more, but, in fairness, he's out there mostly with backups.) My best guess is that all six of these guys will see meaningful playing time in the postseason, and probably in some lineup combinations we haven't seen much of yet. Doc will be able to play matchups, mix starters and bench players, and use small lineups more often than we saw last season. There won't be as many minutes out there for a few of these guys, but how Doc uses those minutes will be critical. To read more from Lowe, check out theTrueHoop Network blog, "Celtics Hub." 3 Who Would You Rather Guard: Kobe or LeBron? ESPN NBA analyst Jalen Rose joined Erik Kuselias on Tirico & Van Pelt to discuss his thoughts on the playoffs. Kuselias: You're a 6-8 guard, Jalen. On your best day, would you rather check LeBron or check Kobe? Rose: Wow. That's picking your poison. I'd probably rather check LeBron. And the reason why is because LeBron, as a young player -- picture that: LeBron still has room to grow -- he doesn't post up yet and he hasn't consistently knocked down his 3-point shot. And they don't move him around as much. So he's not as hard to find. He has the basketball. He's a freight train in the open floor. But in the half court, you try to play his perimeter shot and if he's knocking it down, you're in trouble. When Kobe Bryant pulls up in the parking lot at the arena, he's in his range. Because of that, you have to be on him at all times. And he understands how to seize the moment, he makes his 3-point shots and he consistently makes free throws, as well. 4 Can Anyone Stop The Lakers? Marc Stein joined Jason Smith on Friday's NBA Today podcast to discuss Andrew Bynum's return, Shaq to Dallas rumors and whether there are any challengers for the Lakers out West. Jason Smith: Are the Lakers susceptible to a hot team if Andrew Bynum's not right? Marc Stein: I honestly felt all season that San Antonio was the only team that could beat them in a series, whether we're talking Bynum's there or not. The thing that really hurts for SAS is their role players around the Big Three is the best setup they've ever had in so long. With what Roger Mason has done, the progress Matt Bonner has made, George Hill the rookie and Bowen has had a reduced role, but I always anticipate that would change in the playoffs and he's a nice little wrinkle to have on the bench. But they're obviously not going to have Manu now. And even if they did, Duncan looked so good earlier in the season, but now he's just laboring, with braces on his knee. People close to the situation keep remarking about how Duncan is talking about his injuries, which he never has done in the past. So that means he's obviously in pain. He's just not going to be healthy for the rest of the season. With San Antonio in the state that it's in, there's no one I can see taking down L.A. Portland is playing fantastic; they're finishing the season on an absolute high. They have a great home-court advantage, they have Brandon Roy and they've given the Lakers problems in Portland. But all of that is in the regular season. And I'm one of those guys who believes experience is huge in the playoffs. It's been proven, and young inexperienced teams don't win. When those Blazers get on the big stage for the first time, and find themselves in a series with the Lakers in the second round of the conference finals, it's going to be a whole new level. 5 NBA Video Channel ? ABC Sunday Fastbreak preview 6 Avoiding Eighth http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2009/0411/nba_g_paul1_sw_268x361.jpg After losing four of their past five, Chris Paul and the Hornets are in jeopardy of falling into eighth place in the West. A win against Dallas on Sunday could help avoid a first-round matchup with the Lakers. 7 Chatting With John Hollinger By John Hollinger ESPN.com Travis, Fairfax VA: Could either the Jazz or the Mavs give the Lakers ANY trouble? And, has Ginobili's injury taken all drama from the Western Conf. Playoffs? John Hollinger: Let's not overstate things. Blazers, Nuggets, Jazz and Rockets all are good enough to make some noise if they bring their A-games, so I think the West remains very interesting. As far as Round 1 goes, Utah doesn't match up well against L.A. and neither does Dallas, so I think the Lakers are safe there -- the team they probably don't want to play is New Orleans, who could give them some problems if Tyson Chandler and James Posey are healthy. ________________________________ Yatin (LA): Am I crazy for thinking the Hornets stand really good chances against either the Nuggets or Spurs in the 1st round? All the 2-day breaks should certainly help CP3 and D-West play 40+ minutes so their subpar subs can stay where they belong, on the bench. Hollinger: Spurs, sure. Nuggets, not so much. For starters, gotta have Chandler and Posey back if you want to do anything, because otherwise the frontcourt is totally overmatched. Unfortunately, odds are that San Antonio falls to the 5 slot and you're stuck facing Houston or Portland. ________________________________ Tim (Boston, MA): Do you see any 7-8 seeds taking their first round opponents to 7 games ala the '08 Hawks or the '07 Warriors? Hollinger: I see a couple intriguing possibilities, actually -- I think a Denver-Utah first-round series would be fantastic, and as I mentioned above I think Chicago can make Boston sweat. Another one I might add to the list, with a big asterisk, is that if the Hornets fall to No. 8, and if they get Chandler and Posey back before Game 1, they've given the Lakers a lot of problems the past two years. 8 Picking The East ? Shootaround's East playoff picks 9 Rocket Power Rockets guard Aaron Brooks joins Jason Smith to discuss the team's success with T-Mac, the importance of winning the Southwest Division and playing with Ron Artest and his "ridiculous" shot attempts. 10 ESPNSNsportsnation Which team will finish eighth in the West? 19% New Orleans 45% Dallas 36% Utah (Total votes: 1,020) Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Apr 12 04:36:34 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:36:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Hall of Fame opens its doors to greatest ever Message-ID: <898057.75373.qm@web63802.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I'm not a big Michael Jordan fan, but I do appreciate what he did for the league in the 90's. Heck, my little sister used to collect basketball cards in the 90's before MJ retired for the second time, whereas now I wouldn't be able to pay her to watch a basketball game :) But whether he is "the greatest ever" is debateable. Elliott Kalb is a statistician who covered ALL of Jordan's playoff games in the 90's and he ranks MJ as number 3 on his list of the best players in basketball. One of the main reasons he dropped MJ to #3 was because he walked away from the game to pursue a baseball career, which is a very good point. Anyway, Michael Jordan is definitely one of the best players ever IMHO. Here are some awesome videos for you to enjoy: http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4046221 http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2009/04/06/nba_20090406_jordan_hof.nba/ http://www.nba.com/video/channels/nba_tv/2009/04/06/nba_20090406_jordan_file.nba/ From: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AtTqJIsxAZdWV.FRa.9FfWjTjdIF?slug=aw-jordanhalloffame040609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns Hall of Fame opens its doors to greatest ever By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports Apr 6, 5:44 am EDT Michael Jordan delivered the blueprint for the modern, iconic athlete. He didn?t just transcend basketball, but American sport. Tiger Woods gets compared far more with Jordan than he does Jack Nicklaus. Basketball hasn?t been alone searching for the next Jordan. As it turns out, so is everything else that uses a scoreboard. Jordan taught sports how to pursue championships with ferocity and flair, style and grace. He always treated Sacramento in February like he did Madison Square Garden in the playoffs. Jordan was an industry, a movement, a happening. As much as Kobe Bryant and LeBron James chase each other, they also chase Jordan?s legend. On Monday, the Naismith Basketball Hall of Fame welcomed Jordan as an elected member. Hours before his North Carolina Tar Heels play Michigan State for the NCAA title in Detroit, Jordan was introduced with the class of 2009 at a news conference. They shouldn?t just give Jordan a plaque in Springfield, Mass., they should give him a wing. Truth be told, they should?ve let John Stockton and David Robinson and Jerry Sloan wait one year. They should?ve let Jordan into Springfield alone. He is too big to share a stage, his legacy too immense to be shared with Vivian Stringer. The Basketball Hall of Fame is too political of a place. The voting belongs to insiders and the membership reflects it. The Hall of Fame should be for greatness and dominance, not the politically connected. It?s an insult to Jordan to have to share that shrine with faceless administrators and clownish TV hacks. Nevertheless, Jordan delivers a dose of credibility to sports? most flawed Hall. ?I?m guessing the vote was unanimous,? Tim Grover said with a laugh on his cell phone Sunday. Grover is the famous fitness guru out of Chicago, whom Jordan trusted with his most vital commodity: his body. Grover has a gym there, where he worked out ballplayers, but Jordan changed everything for him. When everyone else was gone ? the adoring throng, the players, the press ? there was Jordan and Grover. Sometimes, they were at Grover?s gym. Sometimes, they were on the road. Always, they were together. No other basketball player made a generation understand that greatness was an around-the-clock, around-the-calendar job. ?Michael would go for 40 or 50 points one night, and the next morning he was right back at it in practice,? Grover said. ?He just couldn?t take a day off. His mental toughness was unbelievable, but the reason was that he was so physically ready every day. He used to have a saying, ?I practice so hard because that makes the games easy for me.? ? Jordan?s legacy are the talents he spawned: Kobe, LeBron and Dwyane Wade. The next generation is so directly linked to Jordan, so influenced. Grover happened to be in Los Angeles on Sunday visiting Bryant, whom he?s called a client for several years now. The most direct descendent of Jordan on the planet, Bryant emulates him in every way: from his game, to his obsessive need for dominance, to his speech inflection. Grover happened to be traveling with Bryant when he broke Jordan?s visiting scoring record at Madison Square Garden in February. Kobe dropped 61 on the Knicks, had a 2?-hour meeting with Spike Lee about a documentary in a hotel suite afterward, and wouldn?t you know it: ?Kobe was back in the gym at 7:30 that next morning with me,? Grover said. ?That?s the mental toughness that Michael had. They just always feel like that if I don?t work out, I just won?t feel right. Something will be missing in my day.? Basketball is blessed with Kobe and LeBron and D-Wade, but Jordan remains a singular talent, a phenomenon, a generational happening. He was a confluence of events, a post Magic-Bird perfect storm for the NBA. The Hall of Fame will have a plaque that tells the pertinent facts: six NBA titles, five MVPs and 32,292 points. Funny, but those things don?t stay with his old trainer the way the feeling of Jordan does. ?The one thing that I haven?t seen from anyone else yet is the sense that people felt on a day there was a game in Chicago,? Grover said. ?People would start to get excited at 7 and 8 in the morning. It didn?t matter if you were going to be in the arena for the game. People would want to see Michael on the expressway to the arena. Just to see him walk into the building, people would flock to come watch. They would be waiting outside and thinking, ?What?s he going to be driving? How?s he going to look?? ?They just wanted a glimpse. It was an unbelievable show.? Michael Jordan goes into Springfield in September, and maybe they shouldn?t just give him a plaque ? or even a wing. They should turn the whole building over to him. For one night, anyway, that should?ve been the plan. No shrine could ever do justice to his genius. You just had to be there. Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Apr 12 04:36:57 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oooh, Baby! Message-ID: <932170.13007.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Yeah, I'm expecting a win tonight also; if not a win then a bloody good showing similar to the game in Orlando recently. They should show this Kenny Smith interview to the team to fire them up: http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=207187&cl=12904541&ch=244098&src=sports Regarding Scal, he may well play a few games for us in the playoffs. The roster will be trimmed to 13 players (it used to be 12 players before 2006) and I'm expecting the team to tell Bill Walker (and J.R. Giddens) to wait until next year. I'm pretty sure they wouldn't leave Scal hanging after he sat for the NBA Finals last year. They might, but the impression I get is they try to include Scal as much as possible which is good. However, I'm also expecting Bill Walker to get more minutes in the final two games against Philly and Washington. Because Orlando lost again last night to New Jersey, the last 2 games are going to be extended practices to integrate KG, Powe and Scal back into the lineup and an opportunity for Walker to strut his stuff before next season. Also, some of you may have heard the following interview on WEEI on Thursday but here it is for those who didn't: http://audio.weei.com/m/22082044/doc-rivers-celtics-head-coach.htm They discuss Rondo being one of the most entertaining players in the league and there's a funny line from Doc when they ask him about the light treatment of LeBron by the referees. They also destroy my recent claim that "KG's injury *might* be a blessing in disguise", pretty funny. ________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 13:48:08 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan W Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! To: celtics at igtc.com Message-ID: <498139.32081.qm at web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Powe apparently looked great in the pregame shoot around yesterday...but he's doubtful for the last 2 games of the season. The plan is, I think, to have him back for Game 1 of the First Round. Nothing to report about Tony's hand. He looks good so far... KG probably could come back for the Cavs game, if he wanted. It's probably the best move to hold him back, since he's probably more likely to ease his way back into action against the Wizards than he is against the Cavs. The Cav game is going to be emotional, and we don't want KG needlessly overextending himself. I think we're going to beat the Cavs anyway. Ryan --- On Sat, 4/11/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Saturday, April 11, 2009, 1:35 PM > I read today that KG is expected back full-time for one of > the last two > games. I understand Scal is probably done for the year. > What's the > latest on Powe? Any complaints from Tony about his hand? > > Too bad we don't have a full-time KG for the Cavs game. > Like it or > not, it's a statement game. They have lost one home > game all year, and > that's a record we Cs fans do NOT want to share. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan W > To: celtics at igtc.com > Sent: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 10:48 am > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > > > > Yeah, Baby has surprised me, not only with the numbers but > with the > clutchness > of those #s. He had about 8 points in the 4th quarter last > night, > including the > bucket that pretty much put the Cs ahead for good. When he > plays with > energy > he's a very hard player to stop... > > And Marbury has almost single-handedly solidified the > bench. All of a > sudden, > we can play 5 bench guys at a time and not fall off a > cliff. TA has > fit in very > well at small forward, a position most thought he > couldn't play, while > House is > having a career year playing his natural position, shooting > guard. > Wait until > KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point > threats coming off > the bench > in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby). > > Ryan > > > --- On Fri, 4/10/09, pdelevett at yahoo.com > wrote: > > > From: pdelevett at yahoo.com > > Subject: Oooh, Baby! > > To: celtics at igtc.com > > Date: Friday, April 10, 2009, 10:45 PM > > In his last 14 games, Davis is averaging better than > 11 > > points and 5 boards while shooting 46 percent from the > > field. > > > > In the last 5 games, those numbers are even better: > nearly > > 14 points, 6 boards and 51 percent shooting. He > won't > > average 30 mpg in the playoffs, of course, but if he > can > > keep his confidence going, he could replace some of > the > > dependable frontcourt firepower we lost when Posey and > PJ > > left. > > > > Marbury, meanwhile, has quietly put together a string > of > > nice numbers, including a 3:1 assist:turnover ratio > and > > nearly 1 steal/game in just 17 minutes per contest. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics End of The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 60 *************************************************************** Yahoo!7 recommends that you update your browser to the new Internet Explorer 8.Get it now. From eggcentric at aol.com Sun Apr 12 13:05:35 2009 From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:05:35 -0400 Subject: Oooh, Baby! In-Reply-To: <108317.48766.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <38B18BD8.EF3C.4647.895F.75B8D9B12D59@aol.com> On Apr 11, 2009, at 1:48:33 PM, "Ryan W" wrote: Wait until KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit 20 point threats coming offthe bench in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and Baby).? i like your style, Ubi. ?Legit 20 pt. threats only if you envision our entire first team being injured. Otherwise, there is a?66.5 ppg disparity?on your thinking that the above five benchees?are capable of 100 ppg?in the playoffs or 20 ppg individually. ? ?Whose bench is; like no ones? SEASON AVERAGES: HOUSE - 8.5 ppg in 18 mpg POWE- 7.5 ppg in 17 mpg T. ALLEN- 7.4 ppg in 18.5 mpg BIG BABY 6.6 ppg in 21 mpg MARBURY- 3.5 ppg in 17 mpg Total: 33.5 ppg (including several starting roles) 20 POINT GAMES this season: HOUSE -? 3 POWE - 3 T. ALLEN - 1 BIG BABY - 2 MARBURY -? 0 Egg - Happy Easter! From stevebknight at yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 13:59:34 2009 From: stevebknight at yahoo.com (steve knight) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 06:59:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: heading into the playoffs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <383252.67701.qm@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i know they're big IFs, but if garnett and powe are reasonably healthy, i really like our chances in the playoffs. i think marbury is showing great signs and is ready to contribute, i like where perk and davis are, rondo is playing very well, house is red-hot, and tony seems ready to pick up where he left off (to some, not saying much. to me, i thought when he went down he was starting to look like the old tony of pre-knee injury days). in any case, if we we can put out the starting 5 and have bb, leon, mikey, tony, eddie and marbury in reserve, i think we've got what it takes to repeat. i worry more about getting by the cavs than the lakers, who i think are vulnerable. looking forward to the playoffs. From Eric at ericalbert.net Sun Apr 12 14:02:33 2009 From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 10:02:33 -0400 Subject: May not be 100% accurate... Message-ID: <20090412140044.48BBBE181C1@ignite.igtc.com> "some weird new guys are being forced to step up" From http://audio.weei.com/m/22082044/doc-rivers-celtics-head-coach.htm : Automatically Generated Transcript of a Doc Rivers interview (may not be 100% accurate) " Fourth and final hour Dennis and Callahan our weekly conversation with -- Doc Rivers has brought due in part by Lexus of Watertown Lexus of Watertown on arsenal street check them out the morning Doc Rivers how are you today. Morning -- do -- Oh well hey if you only have one game ball to give out of the end of last night's game -- to the bench or to give to Rondo." " Are -- to prevent you. It's about thought advanced out of storing them. 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The result of five days without blowing a basketball game in earnest." " I thought it was -- deferred because of preparations. Boom we're prepared we're just -- our our focus -- I thought we came out flat that might have been moved to the lay off. That might have been to the opponent. You know not looking at who were playing instead of just start -- ourselves there was some talk about a year. Probably could come up with great intensity when you take the ball out of bounds it was a the other tradition free throws it -- school. Well we found that last night. What was interesting is you know we we take a letter off we go -- get -- turnovers. But there are huge turnovers down the stretch of the day." " A doctor obviously in the driver's seat for that second spot right now but it with four games left but that is there's certain disappointment for you in that. You have to go hard these last four games the will be no coasting as far as I can tell." " You don't go to disappointment obviously you would -- More or less than. Did you guys ready let -- go for the most part guys are -- Paul -- Gloria. That'd have been pretty much under control in and so they're they're getting ready. -- and spell hope you gave majority of those in the -- getting ready so. Obviously we've been bulb -- the rest. If there's some news but have a good rhythm going before else's world war vet sure." " Are you looking at the two schedules Orlando's and yours and and and trying to. -- do it seemed determine whether. You have the best chance again -- in them just are." " Liquidated if there's another replica -- one in my outlook for. -- if we -- res formats right words and but followed by a look at our best bet folks didn't worry about it what we can do." " And you look at your first round opponent as well I assume." " I don't know -- there's no way to -- would going to be you know. You know obviously we -- the second unit between Chicago and Detroit. If we don't -- that it can be you know illegal Miami. So it's very difficult you know bent out of flying around everywhere right now because we can't just circle but one opponent. Government is trouble and follow that dream so we're sort of a couple guys felt -- to look at different team than you know it's a little more difficult. But we'll know we're flying through them." " coaches and assistant coach who look at an -- NBA game much differently than than fans do but we had this discussion this morning Anita departure. Your fan's hat on here -- I contend that. This is gonna BP discussion here but an entertainment discussion and if you're talking about the five or six. Most entertaining guys to watch in the NBA Rondo would have to be in that conversation we do agree." " Yeah you know I don't hell I don't know the other one. Let them. You know both focused far more -- treatment to what -- prime player -- different ways and Chris Paul the wage employees. Upon. The way he plays to all why did not get the word -- you. Inaudible mode what's in big dunk but the white -- news is that our forces. What portable big about it in years become at the bat out of those who would be in the discussion but I'm duet of who would have to be in the dust." " Is he going to get better -- you look at the guy." " Oh yeah yeah he is he going to do much better but it still think. He's gonna improve -- shut up and doormat. Got to improve a bit -- And and I think that's the biggest improvement is made from last year. To this year big -- last store -- to grow. Have -- When he grows in that area I think is --" " When will we ever hit -- Obviously Dwyane Wade you know you're there did you -- to have people know now he does." " Yeah I don't make here it is occasional three here in the -- that Udall and they'll keep making more more of them. William -- agreed three point shooter probably. But what -- species. There wouldn't feel. I hit it really needs." " It -- what -- what about Rondo make up makes him such an effective rebounder from that position." " It does have a great you know have to time it stood up that we don't like you know I know you officer Rivera of the great sense. But we don't get though that you know certain very in the last five that'll work with civic lessons there did it. It is peaceful transfer from the other end the of the point guard of the first that. So. You know because good edit. I try to give them a little more -- The -- is. Is better between -- well I would say he's still enough to fit the categories are we're concerned and that you'll probably get rate knows about -- Dennis Rodman's. Develop and that -- remember there's certain people. We just have a great field and have a deleted break before the board we get rid of one of the problem is met which would die -- what is completely different." " Can you elaborate on what probably the most simplistic statement I could make him a note to truism. That that that Marbury -- point guard puts Eddie House in a much better spot not having to handle the ball on those countries ready to do what -- does best." " There are you know what I think when people went sidebar they're rare moment. Was talking about. How would it affect pretty much -- you know remember tips and I think that the best thing to budget barbarians did it or radio video benefit. Mortars in the single player have Stephon Marbury on the floor. And it's coming true because they already don't have to worry about the bar over the responsibility. I think the more you have to have a ball. The worse you become -- to acknowledge rush quick. This way you're running insurgency shot. And with the Saudi yep that'll be one of the." " I assume you're happy with -- Marbury is passing him and he seemed. I don't remember him being despite -- being the selfless. In he." " Remember -- big is that of the past though. You know sometimes you can be so quick and still be a bad passes. Just that secret I'm really surprised by vision. And problem because you're such a score. Risk -- you know he was more looking to score. Don't just look at the play -- almost like free right met. Worried about biggest stars are worried about. Historic responsibility -- just a lot of mr. Wright's life. And I think it's really benefited." " And consider who is passing to his passing Mikki Moore and big baby and Eddie House he's not. Well there with the all stars or even start as all the time and yet he's completely selfless I think and maybe it's a function of his shot not necessarily falling but he is really looking to find other guys in the best spots for them." " has been a playmaker. And you're right you know it's funny we were just that about talked about that. A couple days ago just keep making plays but stay aggressive you know they'll be. The report we're overpasses but just stay aggressive and one thing I thought that he could do what he did it the last event stories done the last few days now attack in the or would you open court. That something I didn't think it and I had been doing -- now we Dorgan met's huge force of it also totaled playoff time the rotations. Because. Shorter so there's. A great likelihood it will be played. More what appears developed in the Garnett from the floor of overtime or rather where and stuff on the floor which do. Very bottom. No that's stuff that so we know he." " at toward the other again I think it only turned it over eight times and -- that little five nothing New Jersey run at the end where they almost stole it almost seemed to be a one of those episodes of -- that victory cigar a little too soon figuratively obviously." " There we've always -- life. 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And may have a longer shot clock to milk the clock in -- million up 24 seconds and right when you get punitive with a point four seconds I would doubt that read your ticket badge gun and the other team. Be an aggressive and they have tell the players you've been a bad game. And fell on the play is an MBA yeah and to me that's always been different." " A we we expect LeBron James two in the envy the -- noses. And probably finish the best record -- Nelson. That's all well and good we talked about the issues that -- guy in Chicago Sam Smith the story. Did the research and determined that LeBron James follow permitted a ridiculously. Low. In other words he gets all the calls is he even gets fewer files per minute and -- Way less than magic Michael Larry and probably Doc Rivers. Do you think officials give him the benefit of every go on on the floor." " Guys enormous whatever law." " In order to how. And who should pick in the masters." " I have tiger obviously but that the dark horse -- it yes. Would be nick watt. I'm -- they've by the way you know I'd love to bury it first bit of masters and it always comes a week before world. And submitted -- of the player of the year. Of the spring it's coming -- it's good that." " Would you take tiger or the field in the office pool. There -- I have a tire and fill. The landfill versus the field." " Oh hole I would that's talked about big guy with a garden through." " Yeah then is go to 5050 thank." " If they only play a fourth term in fact have that even though you want a distinct. -- the major I don't know of the address mystery. Obviously lot of corporate and that the experts are that you know. But. I don't know what day format tournament back -- the masses in the interest in the best of." " Is is a good question for you we we work -- open air on this Sunday Celtics cabs or mass to you could only watch one." " Well I would like the masters on that point. I felt uncomfortable to watch out I think I mostly yeah going to want --" " Don't -- what about a half time is a Celtic games they should probably just bail on want to watch the masters." " Well I know player broke is that what would you do -- drove whatever hard earned you don't get broad -- what food -- or it could grow up big. I should maybe I'll make an exit yeah." " Point out to the officials that the bronze in the all the call him." " Because -- we're so we'll be back up at the." " What will with a game plan be the same. As it was in the playoffs and pierce will be dog and LeBron for most of the minutes." " The other we're going to public only autumn -- more rural -- just thought it doesn't play that back in you know. We need -- yet been told and really start to promote agency this focus I thought just believe very differently and and that's it for also. You know we've recovered another body that we can put on the product that will use targets." " Sure the docket no on the airplane flight to watch a lot of video are you a reader." " I overrated. But I hope it goes there and yet. Figure out how to books that I cannot read. You know have weight room and start new book -- finisher." " There our our new -- for information like historical stuff that make use my or you read for entertainment." " No desire to -- battled battled I'm a much bigger provisions reader. The number of players laughter they know what I've been I have a new book of value we bring it out in some way -- form in the in the." " You look at for that looking for motivation for the month a hockey coach and all he does -- looking for pregame and halftime Arnold Jackson between spirit." " Set that says what most of what they love it I've read so much amazing -- but that's -- you -- for a you're looking for anything now watch movies. Read books are read newspapers are read articles often have to -- through -- talk but team building and mean you're always. Insurgent Daniel Baldwin is -- they'll let you know. Coach or player sit -- did you think of did you guys going. You're always looking." " our final question at some vehement asked you last week and actually wrote a note to myself left on my desk all week long -- would remember this week. Other conversation still continues to rage like he brushfire near the Jerry can bring the ball up against an NBA guard. Is there any possibility. That you might give your blessing. To bring in Jerry to help point sometime and if we can arrange a charity component deceived Jerry can get it across the timeline against -- on Rondo." " Oh gosh. Satellite Jerry to my attitude. Amongst. Us that to happen. Upload the best way it is let it when the title okay. That morning at around there was a lot of champagne and beer. That would be the perfect -- do." " You probably weren't flip flop just what is right and I could I can handle that." " But but -- just have my blessing and by the way. You're right it was fairly good great interview brigade. In admitted he did before." " I felt I felt threatened -- listen to on the radio recipes better than -- and -- talked documented easy for a million American momentum going on and by the -- grant is hardy food -- going forward -- and somebody to start his car. Didn't. I don't appreciate the conversation we'll talk to down the road. How -- conversation with the operative brought you in part by Lexus of watered down Lexus of Watertown on arsenal street." From martind42 at cox.net Sun Apr 12 15:20:33 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 11:20:33 -0400 Subject: heading into the playoffs In-Reply-To: <383252.67701.qm@web37407.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090412112033.QS2TA.473134.imail@eastrmwml31> I think we have the deepest bench of the teams in contention. I agree with previous posters that we have a2nd unit that has the potential to be 20 point threats. Forget the season stats, as they are skewed down because of injuries that took payers out of games early; the constant reminder of how poor Marbury was when he first came, but has now "gotten it". House is a threat anytime has doens't have to play pg. Powe and Davis (especially) have gotten far more consistant, and thier production has increased since KG went down. This teamwhen healthy, is better than last seson's. And that is without PJ or Posey (Cassel) was a non factor. Marbury is head and shoulders better than Sam, and Moore of late, is putting up rebounding and scoring numbers almost as solid as PJ's. Though prone to fouls, Moore is getting better and is a legite long 7 footer, who was our best chance at acquiring. No ,Posey's absence will hurt, but his departure won't be the end-all to our overall defensive intensity.,His absence hurts, but all things considered, he hasn't made the Hornets a better team. In fact, they have taken a significant dive over last year. We may have gotten a win or two more with him, but our improved bench and a healthy Ray Allen should offset Posey's absence. I know Chandler was hurt, but we sustained more injuries than any team in the NBA collectively and if it weren't for that, we would have easily clinched the best record and home court throughout the playoffs. IMO, the C's, if healthy (and I see that as a distinct possibility), will be the team to beat. Home court was more important last season. But, as the national pundits indicate, this all hinges on a healthy Garnett (and Powe). With them, # 18 is within reach-without them, well we have another shot next season. With the vastly improved play of both Rondo and Perkins, we are now talking of 4 All Start quality players, with two on the best defensive team. ---- steve knight wrote: > i know they're big IFs, but if garnett and powe are reasonably healthy, i really like our chances in the playoffs. i think marbury is showing great signs and is ready to contribute, i like where perk and davis are, rondo is playing very well, house is red-hot, and tony seems ready to pick up where he left off (to some, not saying much. to me, i thought when he went down he was starting to look like the old tony of pre-knee injury days). > > in any case, if we we can put out the starting 5 and have bb, leon, mikey, tony, eddie and marbury in reserve, i think we've got what it takes to repeat. i worry more about getting by the cavs than the lakers, who i think are vulnerable. > > looking forward to the playoffs. > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 02:56:32 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Oooh, Baby! In-Reply-To: <38B18BD8.EF3C.4647.895F.75B8D9B12D59@aol.com> Message-ID: <98385.26277.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Just to clarify, I meant that we have 5 guys coming off the bench that have the *potential* to get 20 points on any given night. Whether they will depends on many variables, the foremost being playing time, as you alluded to below. Powe, if I remember right, was the only 20 point eruption off the bench last year during the playoffs, so it's not outrageous, as you did below, to point out that such potential may remain unrealized. But if we suffer any more injuries, it's nice to know we have capable replacements (at least in terms of scoring prowess) coming off the bench at all 5 positions. Ryan --- On Sun, 4/12/09, eggcentric wrote: > From: eggcentric > Subject: Re: Oooh, Baby! > To: "ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 8:05 AM > On Apr 11, 2009, at 1:48:33 PM, "Ryan W" > wrote: > > Wait until KG and Powe comes back, we'll have 5 legit > 20 point threats coming > offthe bench in the playoffs (Marbury, House, TA, Powe, and > Baby).? > i like your style, Ubi. ?Legit 20 pt. threats only if you > envision our entire first team being injured. > Otherwise, there is a?66.5 ppg disparity?on your thinking > that the above five benchees?are > capable of 100 ppg?in the playoffs or 20 ppg individually. > ? ?Whose bench is; like no ones? > > SEASON AVERAGES: > > HOUSE - 8.5 ppg in 18 mpg > POWE- 7.5 ppg in 17 mpg > T. ALLEN- 7.4 ppg in 18.5 mpg > BIG BABY 6.6 ppg in 21 mpg > MARBURY- 3.5 ppg in 17 mpg > > Total: 33.5 ppg (including several starting roles) > > 20 POINT GAMES this season: > > HOUSE -? 3 > POWE - 3 > T. ALLEN - 1 > BIG BABY - 2 > MARBURY -? 0 > > Egg - Happy Easter! > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Mon Apr 13 05:51:22 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 22:51:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cavs 107 - Celtics 76 Message-ID: <408192.44326.qm@web63801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Most of us probably weren't expecting that :) I think we'll be ok by the playoffs, we've just stubbed our toe on the way there... Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 11:45:22 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:45:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cavs 107 - Celtics 76 In-Reply-To: <408192.44326.qm@web63801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <436410.45752.qm@web63106.mail.re1.yahoo.com> nothing was going down early.? We're not going to win with no KG and when both Ray and Pierce are shooting 2-14 or whatever.?? And it looked like one of those games where the refs were going at our big guys early- then come to find out Bill Kennedy is on the floor! But we do need Garnett and Leon if we're going to win in Cleveland. El. --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Adam Patterson wrote: From: Adam Patterson Subject: Cavs 107 - Celtics 76 To: "Celtics Mailing List" Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 1:51 AM Most of us probably weren't expecting that :) I think we'll be ok by the playoffs, we've just stubbed our toe on the way there... Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 13:45:33 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (wayoftheray at yahoo.com) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:45:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ray Allen For Bosh: With Garnett In Possible McHalesque Decline Message-ID: <406596.77578.qm@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> What this season has shown us is the Celtics have taken somewhat of a step backwards, whereas the Lakers and Cleveland have moved past them (Addendum: I see the Lakers beating Cleveland for the Title in 6 games. If the Celtics were 100 percent healthy and started Marbury against Cleveland [in Cleveland], then it could be the Celtics vs. the Lakers.) For the Celtics, the upcoming offseason necessitates some major moves. This may very well be the beginning of the end for KG, possibly embracing a stiff McHalesque decline, thanks to years of wear and tear on his knees. To Ray Allen, we say goodbye. He is the most moveable of the Celtics mid-sized three with KG irreplaceable (and now injury questions) and Pierce a Celtics binky for life. Allen continues to perform at a high level, his expiring contract beloved by most GMs and owners, and generally does everything with a degree of class and professionalism. So, there's a multitude of factors, including Ainge not wanting to let his three stars age and injure themselves away at the same time, that makes a Ray Allen trade very very likely. One of the intriguing deals suggested for Allen was Chris Bosh in a three team trade. Well, obviously, the Celtics will have to give up more than just Allen (Perkins perhaps) to acquire Bosh, but it's a type of trade that would revitalize the Celtics, along with the free agent signing of Rasheed Wallace. Ray ??? From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Mon Apr 13 14:20:18 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:20:18 -0400 Subject: Ray Allen For Bosh: With Garnett In Possible McHalesque Decline In-Reply-To: <406596.77578.qm@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <406596.77578.qm@web110109.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200904131420.n3DEKQBm024063@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> What this season has shown us is that the NBA isn't played in a vacuum, on paper, or subject to Fantasy League ideals without injury. Continuity counts. You can't build that continuity when half your team is injured. Add in that James has fully attained "protected" status - he will get to the line 10-15 times per game (maybe even more in the playoffs) and he finally has a guy that can take over a game for small stretches in his own right beside him so the "throw five guys at LeBron" defense isn't an option and yes, Cleveland has improved, but not really through a huge free agent, bust up the team move like you're advocating as the only solution to the Celtics. Knee injuries are not stress fractures before stress fractures were treatable either (McHale's injury was likely very mendable if it had happened with today's medicine - look at Z on the very same Cavs you mention and his foot woes which are a thing of the past). I'm not saying he'll be an 82 game per year player, but he's not "done" either - especially given he's still very much a jump shooter/fade away post player. As for having one of the best PGs in the entire league, a player who frequently flirts with a triple double (points, rebounds, and assists) and plays very good defense (an aspect of the game that doesn't exist in WOTR world) benched for Stephon Marbury? Sure, let's do that... -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of wayoftheray at yahoo.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 9:46 AM To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List Subject: Ray Allen For Bosh: With Garnett In Possible McHalesque Decline What this season has shown us is the Celtics have taken somewhat of a step backwards, whereas the Lakers and Cleveland have moved past them (Addendum: I see the Lakers beating Cleveland for the Title in 6 games. If the Celtics were 100 percent healthy and started Marbury against Cleveland [in Cleveland], then it could be the Celtics vs. the Lakers.) For the Celtics, the upcoming offseason necessitates some major moves. This may very well be the beginning of the end for KG, possibly embracing a stiff McHalesque decline, thanks to years of wear and tear on his knees. To Ray Allen, we say goodbye. He is the most moveable of the Celtics mid-sized three with KG irreplaceable (and now injury questions) and Pierce a Celtics binky for life. Allen continues to perform at a high level, his expiring contract beloved by most GMs and owners, and generally does everything with a degree of class and professionalism. So, there's a multitude of factors, including Ainge not wanting to let his three stars age and injure themselves away at the same time, that makes a Ray Allen trade very very likely. One of the intriguing deals suggested for Allen was Chris Bosh in a three team trade. Well, obviously, the Celtics will have to give up more than just Allen (Perkins perhaps) to acquire Bosh, but it's a type of trade that would revitalize the Celtics, along with the free agent signing of Rasheed Wallace. Ray ??? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 14:59:41 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 07:59:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: The Davis vs. Powe: Who's Better Argument Is Over Message-ID: <234545.5277.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> The answer to the Davis vs. Powe debate is Tyler Hansbrough, of whom Ainge has been alleged to take a shine to. But, if not Hansbrough, there's DeJuan Blair. In other words, both Powe and Davis are eminently replaceable undersized PFs, so it's not worth wasting the time debating whom is better, or worrying about signing them, because it's easy enough (especially in the current financial crisis) to purchase a low-first-to-mid-second pick and find their replacements. Ray From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Mon Apr 13 15:08:37 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:08:37 -0400 Subject: The Davis vs. Powe: Who's Better Argument Is Over In-Reply-To: <234545.5277.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <234545.5277.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200904131508.n3DF8gge014104@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> Assuming of course you know how to predict the future and can determine, without failure, exactly what a draft pick will do in the NBA; something no GM ever, anywhere has been able to do even 60% of the time. And also assuming that given there is a roster size limit, that the owners will agree to buy out that remaining 40% (should I call them "Seal of Approval" players?) if they prove not to adequately replace a known commodity. More Fantasy Basketball thought process in a world of actuality - just throw away a known for an unknown - replacing it is 100% assured. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Way Of The Ray Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:00 AM To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List Subject: The Davis vs. Powe: Who's Better Argument Is Over The answer to the Davis vs. Powe debate is Tyler Hansbrough, of whom Ainge has been alleged to take a shine to. But, if not Hansbrough, there's DeJuan Blair. In other words, both Powe and Davis are eminently replaceable undersized PFs, so it's not worth wasting the time debating whom is better, or worrying about signing them, because it's easy enough (especially in the current financial crisis) to purchase a low-first-to-mid-second pick and find their replacements. Ray _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From BDodgers at aol.com Mon Apr 13 17:01:00 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:01:00 EDT Subject: Celtics mail it in in lopsided loss to Cavaliers/Vox Populi Message-ID: Celtics mail it in in lopsided loss to Cavaliers (http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/Charley-Rosen?authorId=227) _by Charley Rosen_ (http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/Charley-Rosen?authorId=227) Charley Rosen is FOXSports.com's NBA analyst and author of 15 books about hoops, the current ones being _The First Tip-Off: The Incredible Story of the Birth of the NBA_ (http://www.amazon.com/First-Tip-Off-Incredible-Story-Birth/dp/0071487859/ref=pd_bbs_sr_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1221776146&sr=8-2) and _No Blood, No Foul_ (http://www.amazon.com/No-Blood-Foul-Charley-Rosen/dp/1583228284/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1207952386&sr=1-1) . Game time: _Cavs 107, Celtics 76_ (http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/9448128/LeBron,-Cavs-rip-Celts-) No doubt Cleveland needed the win more than Boston did. After all, the Lakers were still mathematically capable of catching the Cavs and gaining home-court advantage should Cleveland and L.A. meet in the NBA Finals. As for Boston? The Celtics had nothing at stake except perhaps the possibility of getting a psychological boost by winning in Cleveland without Kevin Garnett and Leon Powe. And, indeed, the Celtics played like nothing was on the line. No wonder, then, that Cleveland did virtually everything right, while Boston did virtually everything wrong. The Celtics played with no energy ? almost as though this was a preseason contest in Peoria. Their game plan on offense was to have Paul Pierce go right at LeBron James, but after PP made his initial shot, he was practically useless for the duration. For the record, Pierce managed only five points in man-to-man confrontations with LeBron. In addition to Pierce's no-show, the Celtics couldn't generate good looks for Ray Allen, couldn't drop the ball in a well (shooting a measly 3-for-20 in the first quarter), were disinclined to make extra passes and were abused on both boards. On the defensive end, Boston's baseline rotations were awful, and the middle was almost always unattended. Meanwhile, the Cavs were sharp. LeBron's long-range bombs were on target (5-for-9 on his jumpers, including 5-for-8 from beyond the arc). Mo Williams, Delonte West and Daniel Gibson were all dropping jumpers like the basket was 12-feet wide. Extra passes were the norm. All cutters were open. Zydrunas Ilgauskas had his way in the paint with whomever tried to guard him. On defense, the Cavs bigs showed high and wide, and their interior rotations were immaculate. Also, LeBron executed another one of his catch-'em-from-behind blocks on a Celtic fast break. Here's how much the Cavs wanted to win: Late in the second quarter, the 6-foot-4 West obliterated 7-foot Mikki Moore with a cross-lane screen that opened up an easy shot for Joe Smith. For shame! With Cleveland up by 23 points late in the third quarter, LeBron was literally hopping mad when his block of a trey by Pierce was erroneously called a foul. Not that the Cavs played a perfect game. They stopped sharing the ball in the second quarter, allowing Boston to go on a 14-0 run. Also, James made a few sloppy turnovers, including an ankle-high entry pass into Ilgauskas. But not even The King is perfect. Actually, LeBron's defense is somewhat overrated. Yes, he routinely makes out-of-nowhere blocks and steals. But on two occasions, James bit so hard on Pierce's fakes that he nearly stumbled ? and both times PP wound up missing layups. Garbage time was in effect for about the last 40 minutes of the game. And the Celtics played just hard enough to avoid being totally humiliated. Yes, Boston had every excuse to go belly up, but the ease with which they rolled over was inexcusable. If the defending champs couldn't play well, they could at least have played hard. Straight shooting Here are my anti-awards for the regular season. The only qualification is that only those players who have appeared in a minimum of 10 games were considered eligible. In the case of ties, the player who played in the most games merits the non-award. Pointless Leader: In 17 games, Mark Madsen averaged 0.4 ppg. Brick Layer: Cheikh Samb shot 18.8 percent from the field. Foul Shooter: DeSagana Diop managed to convert only 31.1 percent of his not-so-free throws. Long-Distance-Wrong-Numbers: Josh McRoberts was 0-for-9 from beyond the arc. Non-Playmaker: Othello Hunter averaged 0.0 assists. Shot-Watcher: The 6-foot-9 Madsen failed to block a single shot. Looking-Glass Leader: In 10 games, Sun Yue registered zero rebounds. NBA's Most Honest Man: Madsen stole nary a pass or a dribble. New York Minute-Man: When he did play, Yue averaged a mere 2.8 minutes per game. Non-Coach of the Year: P. J. Carlesimo Least Valuable Player: Sam Cassell Vox Populi Why is it that the Lakers don't seem to be able to focus their attention for a full 48 minutes against even the worst teams in the league? ? Ron, Las Vegas, NV What you say is absolutely true, and here are the reasons: The team lacks a killer instinct. Once they build a significant lead, everybody relaxes, gets selfish on offense and lackadaisical on defense. Kobe is one of the biggest culprits in this regard. He'll distribute the ball and execute the triangle for a while, and then he'll inevitably go into his one-man-band mode, forcing shots and leaving his man to track the ball and make unnecessary gambles on defense. Sometimes he can win games on his own recognizance. Sometimes the Lakers can reassert their mastery and win the game again. Sometimes they lose games they should easily have won. Remember Game 4 against Boston last June? When Kobe starts looking for his points, his teammates get frustrated and also start to force shots. Even Derek Fisher is often guilty of taking quick shots ? knowing that if he passes to ostensibly initiate the offense, it's not likely that he'll get the ball back. With a big lead, Pau Gasol simply doesn't get enough touches. Although the return of Andrew Bynum has pushed Lamar Odom to the bench, the second unit is still not truly trustworthy. Luke Walton is supposed to be a facilitator who can make open shots, but he tends to over-handle and he perpetually wants to prove that (like his father?) he can score in the low post. Sasha Vujacic is a scatterbrain who believes that hounding his man (and sometimes fouling him) full-court constitutes aggressive defense. While he can put some pressure on the ball, his weak-side defense is shaky. Indeed, his poor decision making is likewise evident on offense. On the flip side, Vujacic can also contribute 3-pointers out of nowhere. The Lakers are finally convinced that Jordan Farmar can't make the grade. His screen-and-roll defense is horrid, and like Vujacic, he doesn't make appropriate decisions with the ball. Shannon Brown is ? and will continue to be ? a marked improvement. But it all comes down to the overall immaturity of the players. In truth, when the lights are switched on, only Gasol and Fisher conduct themselves like grownups. Which is not to say that the Lakers can't win the championship. If they do, they'll have a more difficult time of it than will be necessary. And if they don't, they'll only have themselves to blame. Travels with Charley Here's the game that ended my coaching career: I was in my second season coaching the women's team at a Division III college in upstate New York. We'd only gone 8-18 during my initial season, but had qualified for the playoffs as the No. 8 seed for the first time in the school's history. Even so, my rookie season wasn't much fun. Because of the good-old-boy clubbiness in the athletic department, the women athletes were treated as second-class citizens. So we had to practice at 6 a.m. And sometimes we had to convene at halftime in the remnants of a basement bowling alley while the men did their pregame stuff upstairs in a classroom. Also, the department at large and many of the coaches for the men's teams were guilty of some financial hanky-panky, including: A slush fund filled with leftover money from deliberately over-budgeted items. Kick-backs from sporting goods stores. Instead of having two players share a motel room on the road, sometimes three players were forced to be roommates, with the coach and the hotel clerk splitting the monies that had been allotted for the empty rooms. Coaches keeping meal money for players who didn't make road trips because of injuries, term papers due and so on. After nine years in the CBA, coaching women was rewarding but also frustrating. I liked the fact that the women didn't define themselves as being basketball players, so they were open to learning and they always played hard. But the talent level was so low that my coaching chops weren't fully utilized. And the referees couldn't be any worse than they were ? or so I thought. Too many of them had a superior attitude, as if it was beneath them to be working a D-III women's game. In any event, I agreed to come back for a second season primarily because my daughter, Alexandra, would be on the team. A legitimate 6-footer, Alexandra wasn't much of a player, but she could make an occasional layup and set crushing picks, even when playing against men. Indeed, late in the season, she converted a pair of clutch free throws that clinched a tight road game for us. But the game under discussion here was in New York City against Hunter College. Since I'd been admitted to Hunter's athletic Hall of Fame several years back, I was looking forward to the game as a kind of homecoming. Hunter had a top-notch team, but it was obvious from the get-go that one particular ref was a homer, and unfortunately for us, he was making virtually every call. Every time he tooted his tooter we got a raw deal. OK, that's what happens on the road. So my protestations were rather mild, even as Hunter built a double-digit lead. But what eventually pushed me over the edge was when this knucklehead started laughing at every miscue that my players made. Misdribbles. Botched passes. Bricked layups. "Hey," I finally shouted out. "What're you laughing at? They're working harder than you are." That triggered my first technical foul. OK, in the CBA (and NBA) coaches sometimes deliberately got themselves T'd in hopes of "buying" more favorable calls. But this jerk started making calls that were even more biased than before, while his partner continued to suck on his whistle. "Yo," I said to the silent ref. "Doesn't your whistle work?" Tech number two. We were behind by 17 at the half, but I made a rousing locker room exhortation and we began the second half playing like gangbusters. Our flex offense was working like a clock. Our shots began to fall. We played terrific position defense and controlled our boards. In a matter of minutes, we trimmed the lead to seven and had possession when the lead ref made an atrocious charging call that was compounded by an imaginary hacked-in-the-act call at the other end. (http://msn.foxsports.com/pgStory?workingCategoryId=0) Another bogus charge against us. Another invisible foul. Suddenly we were down by 12, our enthusiasm was depleted and it was clear to me that the offending ref simply would not let us win. "You should be arrested for stealing the game, you jackass!" Tech numbers three and four. And automatic ejection. We lost by about 20, and I happened to be waiting in the corridor when the refs exited their dressing room. "You guys are an embarrassment to the game and to yourselves!" It was when I started cursing them that they actually flinched and ran out the door. The next day, the AD called me into his office. Complaints had been filed. My behavior was unacceptable. But if I wrote a letter of apology, all would be forgiven. And I did write the letter ? a craven, humiliating mea culpa. Why? Because, despite the hardships and frustrations, I truly loved coaching and because I wanted to coach Alexandra for at least another season. Anyway, after the season concluded, the AD presented me with a choice: Regardless of the letter of infamy, I could either resign or get fired. Clinging to what I deemed to be my last and only vestige of self-respect, I told him that he'd have to fire me. Of all the games I've lost because I either didn't play well, missed critical shots, or made faulty decisions on the bench, the most painful I-wish-I-could-do-it-over-basketball-memory that still haunts me to this day was my writing that letter. But I've got no complaints. Sometimes all's well that doesn't end well. **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlweusdown00000035&ncid=emlcntusdown00000002) From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 17:46:28 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Way . . . out! Message-ID: <943434.35106.qm@web39607.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I don't remember what the issues are, but Ray, you are still out there.? Thanks for the stimulus package of ideas.? Cheers, Gene From bosox18 at charter.net Tue Apr 14 00:04:34 2009 From: bosox18 at charter.net (Steve Ouellette) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:04:34 -0400 Subject: The Davis vs. Powe: Who's Better Argument Is Over In-Reply-To: <234545.5277.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <234545.5277.qm@web110107.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <59AE433FA70E4EBEA81E1FB04ABE074D@StevePC> Tyler Hansbrough? You've got to be kidding. I would take what Davis or Powe is currently giving the Celts over Hansbrough's greatest future NBA season. Steve O -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Way Of The Ray Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:00 AM To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List Subject: The Davis vs. Powe: Who's Better Argument Is Over The answer to the Davis vs. Powe debate is Tyler Hansbrough, of whom Ainge has been alleged to take a shine to. But, if not Hansbrough, there's DeJuan Blair. In other words, both Powe and Davis are eminently replaceable undersized PFs, so it's not worth wasting the time debating whom is better, or worrying about signing them, because it's easy enough (especially in the current financial crisis) to purchase a low-first-to-mid-second pick and find their replacements. Ray _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Tue Apr 14 01:44:34 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:44:34 -0400 Subject: The Davis vs. Powe: Who's Better Argument Is Over In-Reply-To: <59AE433FA70E4EBEA81E1FB04ABE074D@StevePC> Message-ID: <20090413214434.BG2G4.748195.imail@eastrmwml47> And that's on both ends of the court. ---- Steve Ouellette wrote: > Tyler Hansbrough? You've got to be kidding. I would take what Davis or Powe > is currently giving the Celts over Hansbrough's greatest future NBA season. > > Steve O > > -----Original Message----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf > Of Way Of The Ray > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:00 AM > To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List > Subject: The Davis vs. Powe: Who's Better Argument Is Over > > > The answer to the Davis vs. Powe debate is Tyler Hansbrough, of whom Ainge > has been alleged to take a shine to. But, if not Hansbrough, there's DeJuan > Blair. > > In other words, both Powe and Davis are eminently replaceable undersized > PFs, so it's not worth wasting the time debating whom is better, or worrying > about signing them, because it's easy enough (especially in the current > financial crisis) to purchase a low-first-to-mid-second pick and find their > replacements. > > Ray > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From BDodgers at aol.com Tue Apr 14 16:39:21 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:39:21 EDT Subject: MARBURY: CELTICS 'GREATEST EXPERIENCE I'VE EVER HAD' Message-ID: MARBURY: CELTICS 'GREATEST EXPERIENCE I'VE EVER HAD' By MARC BERMAN _Stephon Marbury_ (http://www.nypost.com/topics/topic.php?t=Stephon_Marbury) rode an Amtrak from Philadelphia to New York yesterday to visit his Central Park South dentist. On his off day in Manhattan, there was no need to pull teeth to get the former Knicks point guard to gush about his basketball rebirth in Boston. (http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/knicks/) "It's been the greatest experience I've ever had, playing with a group of guys, everyone with one thing in mind: winning a championship," Marbury told The Post. "They don't care about anything else. All the guys understand that feeling, because they just had it [an NBA championship]. I want the same feeling, too. When you win a championship, it's like a drug. You're on a high. I want some of that high." After Wednesday's Knicks season finale vs. the Nets, the players will hit the golf course after another 50-loss season. But it's just getting started for Marbury, whose Celtics play in Philadelphia tonight and begin defense of their title this weekend as No. 2 seed. "I feel bad as a Knick fan," said Marbury, who agreed to a buyout Feb. 24 after not playing a single game this season. "I'm still a Knick fan. I love New York. I did it the best way I knew. Maybe it wasn't the best way people wanted me to do it, but I did it wanting to win." Marbury knows he could've at least made starting point guard Chris Duhon's transition to New York smoother. Duhon's first season in New York has been a bust, with coach _Mike D'Antoni_ (http://www.nypost.com/topics/topic.php?t=Mike_D'Antoni) admitting he burned out Duhon after deciding to sit Marbury after preseason. "If I was playing with him, I would've helped him out tremendously, and I was willing to do that," Marbury said. "I just wanted to play. I hated watching. I worked hard for seven months, then [D'Antoni] shut me down. It wasn't to be. I can't complain, because it worked out for the best. I'm playing 17 minutes. I was playing no minutes." The Celtics are 14-7 with Marbury as backup PG, but Kevin Garnett has played just four times during that span. Marbury's numbers don't look solid, but coach _Doc Rivers_ (http://www.nypost.com/topics/topic.php?t=Doc_Rivers) has praised Marbury for doing what's needed, his adjustment nearly complete. Marbury is averaging 17 minutes, 3.6 points, 3.0 assists, and shooting 33 percent. "I feel like my game is coming along," said Marbury, who last week become the national spokesman for the foundation, EDAR (Everyone Deserves a Roof). "It's the most difficult thing I've had do to. I hadn't played in a whole year. I was coming off ankle surgery and don't have the same explosiveness I had when I was younger. But I reconfigured my body, lost the baby fat. I can't say when I'm going to explode. "Doc wants me to be a ball-mover," Marbury added. "I just run the team, get shots for guys who are supposed to get shots and my shot will come. I score when you gotta score, when nobody's scoring." Marbury said that, after being dissed by D'Antoni, Rivers has been a godsend. "He's unbelievable, breathtaking, he's a real man," Marbury said. "He tells you right in the face as soon as it happens. There ain't no bull." Marbury also tweaked D'Antoni's lack of priority on defense. "Night and day," Marbury said of the emphasis on defense between the coaching staffs. "When you preach defense - and you look it up, preach means delivering a message - that's what you perform up to. When you preach defense, [it] wins championships. You don't even think about it. It's something you just do." Despite the Cavaliers' 31-point win over his team Sunday, Marbury likes the Celtics' chances. "They're still the champs," Marbury said. "I can't say me. I say they. They know the formula. I'm learning it." _marc.berman at nypost.com_ (mailto:marc.berman at nypost.com) **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000002) From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 21:02:05 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:02:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated, Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? Message-ID: <513660.16335.qm@web110103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes, how soon after the Celtics are eliminated in the playoffs will they announce that Garnett is to undergo surgery? I say within 10 days. It has to be pointed out, with the Garnett saga, Celtics management has reached new levels of disingenuous. Ray From pdelevett at yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 21:14:45 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:14:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Garnett Message-ID: <991889.75478.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Yes, Ray, it would be much smarter to say, "Hey Cleveland! Hey, Orlando! Garnett's got a bad knee, so don't worry about him when you're drawing up your postseason strategy!" Man, your nattering nabobbery has gotten even more negative than usual. From martind42 at cox.net Tue Apr 14 23:42:40 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:42:40 -0400 Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated, Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? In-Reply-To: <513660.16335.qm@web110103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090414194240.JNPFO.723514.imail@eastrmwml36> And your point is? ---- Way Of The Ray wrote: > > Yes, how soon after the Celtics are eliminated in the playoffs will they announce that Garnett is to undergo surgery? > > I say within 10 days. > > It has to be pointed out, with the Garnett saga, Celtics management has reached new levels of disingenuous. > > Ray > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Tue Apr 14 23:44:23 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:44:23 -0400 Subject: Garnett In-Reply-To: <991889.75478.qm@web110110.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090414194423.5XP18.723533.imail@eastrmwml36> You just ruined the Celtics chances, because you just told them about our strategy. Dang! ---- Peter Delevett wrote: > > Yes, Ray, it would be much smarter to say, "Hey Cleveland! Hey, Orlando! Garnett's got a bad knee, so don't worry about him when you're drawing up your postseason strategy!" > > Man, your nattering nabobbery has gotten even more negative than usual. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pdelevett at yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 03:08:29 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: meanwhile ... Message-ID: <815956.29883.qm@web110104.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> the Celtics, playing a meaningless game on the road against a team fighting for postseason seeding, pull off a comeback despite the absence of Garnett and Ray and sporting a lineup of Pierce and a bunch of supporting players that in many ways resembled the lowly 2006 Celtics. Ray, any comment on how this is further proof Danny and Wyc should be thrown into the Charles? I'm not enough of a homer to think the C's have a great chance to repeat, but they've got a hell of a lot of "character," to invoke that overused word. From jozersky at optonline.net Wed Apr 15 12:10:39 2009 From: jozersky at optonline.net (Josh Ozersky) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:10:39 -0400 Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated,Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? References: <513660.16335.qm@web110103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000c01c9bdc3$31433410$f684bc18@your4f1261a8e5> How can you even call yourself a Celtics fan, Ray? I put up with it in the Pitino era, but now it's just gross and perverse and faithless. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Way Of The Ray" To: "Celtics Stuff" ; "Celtics Are Idiots List" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated,Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? > > Yes, how soon after the Celtics are eliminated in the playoffs will they > announce that Garnett is to undergo surgery? > > I say within 10 days. > > It has to be pointed out, with the Garnett saga, Celtics management has > reached new levels of disingenuous. > > Ray > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Wed Apr 15 13:36:34 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 09:36:34 -0400 Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated,Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? In-Reply-To: <000c01c9bdc3$31433410$f684bc18@your4f1261a8e5> References: <513660.16335.qm@web110103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <000c01c9bdc3$31433410$f684bc18@your4f1261a8e5> Message-ID: <200904151336.n3FDahCn022447@poseidon.afrc.af.mil> There's always someone who thinks they can do better in every aspect of life - whether it be advice on someone else's golf swing, how to meet members of the opposite sex, or in some cases, run, staff, coach a professional basketball team. Invariably, they, like any one of us - would find a mix of success and failure in everything they do. For perfection - while an excellent goal - is never 100% guaranteed. Ray thinks he can run an NBA team better then every GM, Coach or Owner past present or not yet born. So the way I get my own amusement out of it is imagining who would be the WOTR to Ray if he were GM/Owner/Coach of the Celtics and had his personal e-mail, home and cellular phone numbers. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Josh Ozersky Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:11 AM To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List; Celtics Stuff Subject: Re: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated,Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? How can you even call yourself a Celtics fan, Ray? I put up with it in the Pitino era, but now it's just gross and perverse and faithless. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Way Of The Ray" To: "Celtics Stuff" ; "Celtics Are Idiots List" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated,Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? > > Yes, how soon after the Celtics are eliminated in the playoffs will they > announce that Garnett is to undergo surgery? > > I say within 10 days. > > It has to be pointed out, with the Garnett saga, Celtics management has > reached new levels of disingenuous. > > Ray > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Wed Apr 15 15:15:27 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:15:27 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated, Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? Message-ID: <529236.12610.qm@web63808.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I've often wondered whether Ray *is* a GM, Coach or Owner just venting his frustrations using reverse psychology... --- Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil wrote: There's always someone who thinks they can do better in every aspect of life - whether it be advice on someone else's golf swing, how to meet members of the opposite sex, or in some cases, run, staff, coach a professional basketball team. Invariably, they, like any one of us - would find a mix of success and failure in everything they do. For perfection - while an excellent goal - is never 100% guaranteed. Ray thinks he can run an NBA team better then every GM, Coach or Owner past present or not yet born. So the way I get my own amusement out of it is imagining who would be the WOTR to Ray if he were GM/Owner/Coach of the Celtics and had his personal e-mail, home and cellular phone numbers. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Josh Ozersky Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 8:11 AM To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List; Celtics Stuff Subject: Re: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated,Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? How can you even call yourself a Celtics fan, Ray? I put up with it in the Pitino era, but now it's just gross and perverse and faithless. Josh ----- Original Message ----- From: "Way Of The Ray" To: "Celtics Stuff" ; "Celtics Are Idiots List" Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated,Will They Announce A Garnett Operation? > >Yes, how soon after the Celtics are eliminated in the playoffs will they >announce that Garnett is to undergo surgery? > >I say within 10 days. > >It has to be pointed out, with the Garnett saga, Celtics management has >reached new levels of disingenuous. > >Ray > > > > >_______________________________________________ >The Boston Celtics Mailing List >celtics at igtc.com >http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From pdelevett at yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 22:42:12 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Cassell Message-ID: <732228.84900.qm@web110108.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Headed to Wizards as an assistant coach, DC papers are reporting. http://washingtontimes.com/weblogs/outlet/2009/apr/14/wizards-tuesday-update/ From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Wed Apr 15 23:52:36 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 16:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: put me down for Stephon '10 Message-ID: <771895.16032.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yes!? I didn't want the guy, but that was more personal than professional.? I think he answers the backup point position almost perfectly, and I don't know what perfect would be--consult Ray, I guess. I'm also down for Mikki Moore in '10.? Why not?? The guy gives us about 80% of what we want in a 10-15 minute bencher/replacement at the 5 or 4 position.? If our guy in Turkey, Ehrden, is ready and an upgrade, then bring him in.? I don't see many holes for us to fill, actually.? The concern going forward is finding one or two gamers who will eventually replace the big three.? That'll be fun and as great a challenge as landing KG.? Three cheers for the playoffs.? Gene From jahillsr at comcast.net Thu Apr 16 02:45:51 2009 From: jahillsr at comcast.net (Jim Hill) Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 22:45:51 -0400 Subject: put me down for Stephon '10 Message-ID: <000001c9be3d$75073960$5f15ac20$@net> Wonderful regular season for this team! A great blend of players playing a TEAM game with a coaching system that puts the players in a position to use their specific skill set to contribute, including some gambles that look to be paying out. Bring them all back, including Marbury and Moore. If a 7' with potential or a just-past-his-prime vet looking for a Ring becomes available in the off season then it will be musical chairs at the end of the bench with one or more looking for a new team. But aside from that, I could watch this same team again next year as I think the young guys will get that much better and will more than compensate for whatever the 3 old guys lose from their games. Not sure how the Playoff's will end up, but I know these guys won't quit and I can't ask for much more then that. Yes! I didn't want the guy, but that was more personal than professional. I think he answers the backup point position almost perfectly, and I don't know what perfect would be--consult Ray, I guess. I'm also down for Mikki Moore in '10. Why not? The guy gives us about 80% of what we want in a 10-15 minute bencher/replacement at the 5 or 4 position. If our guy in Turkey, Ehrden, is ready and an upgrade, then bring him in. I don't see many holes for us to fill, actually. The concern going forward is finding one or two gamers who will eventually replace the big three. That'll be fun and as great a challenge as landing KG. Three cheers for the playoffs. Gene From kmalo17 at verizon.net Thu Apr 16 06:40:31 2009 From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 02:40:31 -0400 Subject: A night for the little guys Message-ID: <0KI600IX1LFYL3ZE@vms173007.mailsrvcs.net> Even the arena is offering up one for the little guys and shortening its name to TD Garden http://www.nba.com/2009/news/04/15/celtics.stadium.ap/index.html Trying to explain the phenomenon that is "you can't leave the House, even for a second" to a guy from the Netherlands in the next seat tonight. Especially when I started the night giggling because I couldn't remember the last time Eddie passed rather than shot on his first 4-5 touches of theball. Every player should get to hear the Garden echoing his name at least once and this was one of those nights for Eddie. Eddie also struck another sort of blow for the little guys by breaking his boss (Ainge)'s team season 3 pt %. The new record is in fact a sort of doppler of Danny's number .444 and Eddie's quick release certainly deserves a doppler. Good guys come first seeing the proud smile on Leon's face as he won the Celtics 6th man award and listened to them talk about things like character and defining what it means to be a Celtic as key factors in earning it. For all the people who think he and Big Baby are interchangeable parts or that Big Baby's jumper means he's pulled far ahead of Leon in value, tonight's game was a good example of why that's just not true. Each offer things the other doesn't and while I still prefer Leon, BBD has genuinely worked on his game much more than I thought he would. But one huge area of difference is rebounding. Don't get me wrong, Big Baby gets rebounds, although on offense he's too often set away from the basket to get a lot of them, but Leon is a constant presence and even controls boards. With Leon in there, there is *always* a Celtics hand in on every board, whether or not we end up with it, and it's a hand that doesn't give up at the first swat. Too often when he wasn't, there wasn't anyone even near it, much less trying to force the issue. I could tell whether or not Leon was on the court by that one thing. No criticism intended of BBD, but it's a major difference between them on something we badly need from that spot. As Max puts it, Leon goes after rebounds like a starving man goes after a cheeseburger... MINE!!!! Tony played good Tony most of the time, with just a few unnecessary ball handling errors - comment by Doc that had me nodding in thoughtful agreement a few days ago along the lines of Tony's thumb injury not being wholly a bad thing since it forced him to focus back almost wholly on defense to get PT since the thumb is more of a problem on offense. This is not a bad thing. Tony getting offense is one thing. Tony forcing it another thing entirely. Bill Walker providing some nice energy and excitement. But please, someone needs to look for him more when he's out there, especially when it's with all backups and the offense as a whole is stagnating. It may not be orthodox, or even wholly effective, but he WILL make something happen and get some energy going. Why didn't they look to alley oop him tonight? Mostly because he played too much with the wrong PG, I suppose..... Spealing of which, Gabe... well, at least Stephon's looking better and better, although dribbling too much at times. Gabe's got a nice shot, but I've never seen the wunderkind playing the point some others have, even earlier in the season when they were praising him to the skies. Still young and inexperienced, and it may come, but absolutely no sense of his being in control of the flow on either end when he's out there. Of course maybe I'm just spoiled by Rondo... who BTW in am SI poll of execs and scouts was listed as 1st team all defensive team http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ian_thomsen/04/10/weekly.countdown/2.html and 3rd most improved player in the league (same page) From asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 15:37:48 2009 From: asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com (asterix ninetynine) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 08:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: K-Rap Message-ID: <62074.92290.qm@web65504.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Looks like the NBA will get it's Kobe-LeBron final From BDodgers at aol.com Thu Apr 16 15:45:57 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 11:45:57 EDT Subject: KG could miss entire postseason Message-ID: KG could miss entire postseason WALTHAM, Mass. -- _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=261) isn't ready to start the playoffs, and _Boston Celtics_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) coach _Doc Rivers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=1579) said Thursday that there's a strong possibility that he will miss the entire postseason. With Or Without You The Boston Celtics are still a winning team without Kevin Garnett in the lineup. But they're not as good a defensive team without KG, allowing more points per game and a higher shooting percentage. With KG Without KG W-L 44-13 18-7 Win Pct. .772 .720 Opp. PPG 90.7 98.2 Opp. FG Pct. 42.2 44.2 "He's not going to be ready. After watching him practice, there's no way," Rivers said on WEEI-AM. "The way I saw him move today, I don't know if he'll be ready." When asked to clarify, Rivers said there was a chance Garnett could be out for the rest of the season. Celtics spokesman Jeff Twiss said he could not elaborate on Rivers' comments. The Celtics begin the best-of-seven first round series against the _Chicago Bulls_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=chi) on Saturday. "We're going to move on without him," Rivers said. Garnett has been the Celtics' inspirational leader since joining them in a 2007 trade that completed the new Big Three and propelled the franchise to its record 17th NBA title. He averaged 15.8 and 8.5 rebounds per game for the defending champions this season. He injured his right knee Feb. 19 and missed the next 13 games before returning for four, but never playing as many as 18 minutes. With the Celtics assured of a high playoff berth, Rivers then held Garnett out with an eye toward bringing him back for the last three games of the regular season; that became the last two, then the last one, but he never made it back. Rivers said Thursday he watched Garnett run at the team's practice facility and said he had to shut him down after 20 minutes. "If he can't get through biking and working out without swelling and his leg locking, I don't know how you can play in the playoffs," Rivers said. "This was an honest run today, you couldn't make your way through it. The guy's a warrior, you see him try to mask his way through it. But after 20 minutes of running, I don't see it. After today, there's no way he can play." Garnett's reaction? "He was frustrated. He was mad at me, mad at everybody. Then he understood," Rivers said. "He put up a fight. He's really frustrated, but that's Kevin. That's why we got him, because he cares so much." Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck said he's confident Garnett is going to be "absolutely fine, 100 percent, over the long term. The short term is much less clear at this point." Boston was 18-7 without Garnett this year and finished the season 62-20 -- not good enough to secure the home-court advantage that proved crucial in last year's title run. Should the Celtics meet the Cavaliers in the Eastern Conference finals, they would open the series in Cleveland; the _Los Angeles Lakers_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=lal) would also have home-court in a potential NBA finals matchup. But, without Garnett, what had seemed like an easy road through the early rounds has gotten more difficult. **************Great deals on Dell?s most popular laptops ? Starting at $479 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220029082x1201385915/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B213969145%3B35701480%3Bh) From pmm at igtc.com Thu Apr 16 16:57:05 2009 From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M. Moriarty) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 09:57:05 -0700 Subject: KG could miss entire postseason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:45 AM, BDodgers at aol.com wrote: > > KG could miss entire postseason > I think most of us have been holding our breath hoping it wasn't so. Looks like we can exhale. :( - Paul - From douglas342 at aol.com Thu Apr 16 18:19:20 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:19:20 -0400 Subject: KG could miss entire postseason In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB8CD6FEBE4EA1-A58-18E2@WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> No kidding. Whe he didn't come back after playing four games, you began to wonder. But in a way it's a relief. Last year, I felt that Cs should win it, but what if something went wrong?? Now, they're not supposed to win, but what if something goes right? I have a funny feeling that we're going to be very proud of this team when it ends for the year. -----Original Message----- From: Paul M. Moriarty To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 9:57 am Subject: Re: KG could miss entire postseason On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:45 AM, BDodgers at aol.com wrote:? ? >? > KG could miss entire postseason? >? ? I think most of us have been holding our breath hoping it wasn't so. Looks like we can exhale. :(? ? - Paul -? ? _______________________________________________? The Boston Celtics Mailing List? celtics at igtc.com? http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 19:20:43 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What I think I know about KG's injury Message-ID: <668811.3454.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> After reading about a billion opinions, news stories, TV reports, etc....this is what I think I know about KG's injury: There are two things wrong with KG's knee: a bone spur and a strained tendon and it's the tendon that's keeping him out. Here's what the Globe is reporting: Kevin Garnett will miss the NBA playoffs and likely have surgery on his right knee during the offseason, Celtics coach Doc Rivers said today. The surgery will be to remove a spur in Garnett's knee. But a strained popliteus tendon -- and not the spur -- has affected Garnett's inability to return from a Feb. 19 injury. The tendon strain must heal naturally, and has taken longer than anticipated. So, apparently they thought the tendon would heal faster than it did, but it has not. So he's out at least the first round, probably the playoffs. Conclusions: 1. People on Celticblog, etc...should quit blaming the organization, the media, Doc, Danny, KG for misleading us....they didn't. They were waiting on the human body to heal and it failed to heal along the timeline they thought it would. Nobody can predict the future. They gave us their best guesses. 2. Surgery an option? Sure, it's an option, but from what I've read, it's also a lengthy rehab from bone spur surgery. Plus, what's bothering him now is not the bone spur per se (though it's a possibility the spur is what is slowing the healing of his tendon), but the tendon, which gets better through rest, not surgery. So having surgery in Feb. would have done nothing except lose KG for the season. It's obvious why they went with rest over surgery. 3. Is KG out for the playoffs? Not necessarily. One report puts KG's knee at 70%. Another says he's having soreness and swelling after working out, or that his knee is occasionally locking up. Obviously, the tendon needs more time to heal. How much does it need? Nobody knows. Estimates for injuries of this kind put the tendon strain recovery time at 4-8 weeks. We're near 8 weeks right now. Will another 4 weeks (when the ECF begin) make any difference? They might. And that's why there's still some hope that KG can suit up then, or perhaps earlier (though I think round 2 is a stretch). KG is a warrior and you can bet if he starts feeling better he's going to try and suit up, especially in the ECF. I'm still holding out hope that he gets better and plays... Addendum: from listening to Doc's comments, he's going forward thinking that KG's done for the season. As a coach, he has to. As a team, they must as well. Each player now knows that more is required of each of them, but they also need to know that they can't do it alone. Doc now must ride that fine line where he rallies the troops but also gets them to remember Ubuntu. Addendum #2: KG's going to be on the bench for the playoffs. That's great news. His voice and spirit is what they miss the most. And with KG on the bench, they'll have that spirit and voice with them all game. Addendum #3: We ain't dead yet. Sure, the road's harder. But alot can change in a month. Injuries happen. Hell, miracles happen. The best team on paper doesn't always win. Sometimes, players play above their ability. Sometimes superstars are born during the playoffs. Don't give up hope yet. It's silly to do so... From eggcentric at aol.com Thu Apr 16 19:37:21 2009 From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:37:21 -0400 Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Eliminated, etc. Message-ID: <8CB8CE1E52F7C8B-70C-19C@webmail-stg-d02.sysops.aol.com> Way Ray - Aren't you the one who received so much flak over your on-the-money post "How Soon After The Celtics Are Elimanated, Will They Announce A Garnett Operation?" Holy cow - all those defensive replies such as - "How can you even call yourself a Celtics fan, Ray? I put up with it in the Pitino era, but now it's just gross and perverse and faithless."? Tres dramatique. No doubt about it, you are a fun and controversial contributor ? who can't catch a break on this sensitive "stab-the Celtics/stab-me" list. However, Marbury over Rondo ... hmmmm, not sure about that one. Keep up the good work. The list needs such colorful, provocative posts. Ciao, Egg From martind42 at cox.net Thu Apr 16 20:07:57 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:07:57 -0400 Subject: What I think I know about KG's injury In-Reply-To: <668811.3454.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090416160757.TCC20.747782.imail@eastrmwml34> The team handled, or is handling this well. Kudos to Celtics' management. And, this takes the pressure off, since we wouldn't be expected to win without KG. We can all exhale and enjoy what this team will show us in the playoffs. ---- Ryan W wrote: > > After reading about a billion opinions, news stories, TV reports, etc....this is what I think I know about KG's injury: > > There are two things wrong with KG's knee: a bone spur and a strained tendon and it's the tendon that's keeping him out. Here's what the Globe is reporting: > > > Kevin Garnett will miss the NBA playoffs and likely have surgery on his right knee during the offseason, Celtics coach Doc Rivers said today. > > The surgery will be to remove a spur in Garnett's knee. But a strained popliteus tendon -- and not the spur -- has affected Garnett's inability to return from a Feb. 19 injury. The tendon strain must heal naturally, and has taken longer than anticipated. > > > > So, apparently they thought the tendon would heal faster than it did, but it has not. So he's out at least the first round, probably the playoffs. > > Conclusions: > 1. People on Celticblog, etc...should quit blaming the organization, the media, Doc, Danny, KG for misleading us....they didn't. They were waiting on the human body to heal and it failed to heal along the timeline they thought it would. Nobody can predict the future. They gave us their best guesses. > 2. Surgery an option? Sure, it's an option, but from what I've read, it's also a lengthy rehab from bone spur surgery. Plus, what's bothering him now is not the bone spur per se (though it's a possibility the spur is what is slowing the healing of his tendon), but the tendon, which gets better through rest, not surgery. So having surgery in Feb. would have done nothing except lose KG for the season. It's obvious why they went with rest over surgery. > 3. Is KG out for the playoffs? Not necessarily. One report puts KG's knee at 70%. Another says he's having soreness and swelling after working out, or that his knee is occasionally locking up. Obviously, the tendon needs more time to heal. How much does it need? Nobody knows. Estimates for injuries of this kind put the tendon strain recovery time at 4-8 weeks. We're near 8 weeks right now. Will another 4 weeks (when the ECF begin) make any difference? They might. And that's why there's still some hope that KG can suit up then, or perhaps earlier (though I think round 2 is a stretch). KG is a warrior and you can bet if he starts feeling better he's going to try and suit up, especially in the ECF. I'm still holding out hope that he gets better and plays... > > Addendum: from listening to Doc's comments, he's going forward thinking that KG's done for the season. As a coach, he has to. As a team, they must as well. Each player now knows that more is required of each of them, but they also need to know that they can't do it alone. Doc now must ride that fine line where he rallies the troops but also gets them to remember Ubuntu. > > Addendum #2: KG's going to be on the bench for the playoffs. That's great news. His voice and spirit is what they miss the most. And with KG on the bench, they'll have that spirit and voice with them all game. > > Addendum #3: We ain't dead yet. Sure, the road's harder. But alot can change in a month. Injuries happen. Hell, miracles happen. The best team on paper doesn't always win. Sometimes, players play above their ability. Sometimes superstars are born during the playoffs. Don't give up hope yet. It's silly to do so... > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From regmanw6 at yahoo.com Thu Apr 16 20:28:25 2009 From: regmanw6 at yahoo.com (R Howe) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 13:28:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Eliminated, etc. In-Reply-To: <8CB8CE1E52F7C8B-70C-19C@webmail-stg-d02.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <444141.1869.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Me, I dont mind contrary to conventional wisdom even though when it comes to my C's I have blood that is tainted green. Now with Garnett most likely out of the playoffs the conventional wisdom is that they probably wont even make it past the early rounds to meet the Cavs never mind getting past the Cavs to meet the "unbeatable" Fakers and win it all; but I just have this gut feeling number 18 comes this year. I am thinking we will get to the ECFs and beat the Cavs if the Cavs make it to the ECFs. I have no rational reason to believe this just a gut feeling about this squad. This team has had almost 2 months learning how to win w/out KG, the mid-season pickups seem comfortable, Powe & Tony are back, Big Baby has picked up about 80% of what Garnett was doing within the Cs game plan. Pierce, Ray A. have had an easy last couple of weeks and are healthy and ready to go, Rondo and Perk are playing better than last year. So yeah playing w/out Garnett is bad but if any team can overcome that and go all the way it is a team that is now the big two with a solid cast of supporting players with championship experience. Plus dont underestimate the C's use all the bandwagon jumpers as extra motivation to prove to all that they are champions. Favorites? NO! but.... I have that feeling. See there now I am contrary to conventional wisdom Go C's - NUMBER 18 --- On Thu, 4/16/09, eggcentric at aol.com wrote: > From: eggcentric at aol.com > Subject: Re: How Soon After The Celtics Are Eliminated, etc. > To: Celtics at IGTC.com > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 3:37 PM > Way Ray - Aren't you the one who received so much flak > over > your on-the-money post "How Soon After The Celtics Are > Elimanated, > Will They Announce A Garnett Operation?" > > Holy cow - all those defensive replies such as - > "How can you even call yourself a Celtics fan, Ray? > I put up with it in the Pitino era, but now it's > just gross and perverse and faithless."? Tres > dramatique. > > No doubt about it, you are a fun and controversial > contributor ? > who can't catch a break on this sensitive > "stab-the > Celtics/stab-me" list. > > However, Marbury over Rondo ... hmmmm, not sure > about that one. > > Keep up the good work. The list needs such colorful, > provocative posts. > > Ciao, Egg > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From douglas342 at aol.com Thu Apr 16 20:35:22 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:35:22 -0400 Subject: How Soon After The Celtics Are Eliminated, etc. In-Reply-To: <444141.1869.qm@web56702.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB8CE9FFE3A18E-A2C-1E76@WEBMAIL-MZ10.sysops.aol.com> Best possible result: beat the Lakers for the title Second best possible result: beat someone else for the title Worst possible result: lose to Chicago Second worst possible result: lose to the Lakers for the title Will the Cs win? Hey, odds just went way up (down), but I don't care. I sure don't want to tell Leon Powe that he may as well quit now. I don't want to tell Paul Pierce his summer vacation just began. -----Original Message----- From: R Howe To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 1:28 pm Subject: Re: How Soon After The Celtics Are Eliminated, etc. Me, I dont mind contrary to conventional wisdom even though when it comes to my C's I have blood that is tainted green. Now with Garnett most likely out of the playoffs the conventional wisdom is that they probably wont even make it past the early rounds to meet the Cavs never mind getting past the Cavs to meet the "unbeatable" Fakers and win it all; but I just have this gut feeling number 18 comes this year. I am thinking we will get to the ECFs and beat the Cavs if the Cavs make it to the ECFs. I have no rational reason to believe this just a gut feeling about this squad. This team has had almost 2 months learning how to win w/out KG, the mid-season pickups seem comfortable, Powe & Tony are back, Big Baby has picked up about 80% of what Garnett was doing within the Cs game plan. Pierce, Ray A. have had an easy last couple of weeks and are healthy and ready to go, Rondo and Perk are playing better than last year. So yeah playing w/out Garnett is bad but if any team can overcome that and go all the way it is a team that is now the big two with a solid cast of supporting players with championship experience. Plus dont underestimate the C's use all the bandwagon jumpers as extra motivation to prove to all that they are champions. Favorites? NO! but.... I have that feeling. See there now I am contrary to conventional wisdom Go C's - NUMBER 18 --- On Thu, 4/16/09, eggcentric at aol.com wrote: > From: eggcentric at aol.com > Subject: Re: How Soon After The Celtics Are Eliminated, etc. > To: Celtics at IGTC.com > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 3:37 PM > Way Ray - Aren't you the one who received so much flak > over > your on-the-money post "How Soon After The Celtics Are > Elimanated, > Will They Announce A Garnett Operation?" > > Holy cow - all those defensive replies such as - > "How can you even call yourself a Celtics fan, Ray? > I put up with it in the Pitino era, but now it's > just gross and perverse and faithless."? Tres > dramatique. > > No doubt about it, you are a fun and controversial > contributor ? > who can't catch a break on this sensitive > "stab-the > Celtics/stab-me" list. > > However, Marbury over Rondo ... hmmmm, not sure > about that one. > > Keep up the good work. The list needs such colorful, > provocative posts. > > Ciao, Egg > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From fthurley at me.com Thu Apr 16 21:13:00 2009 From: fthurley at me.com (Frederick Hurley) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:13:00 -0400 Subject: What I think I know about KG's injury In-Reply-To: <668811.3454.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <668811.3454.qm@web65610.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <130508597669297955856409689305186936471-Webmail@me.com> And sometimes Paul Pierce just doesn't want to stop playing basketball yet, dammit. :-) Now let's get to it. On Thursday, April 16, 2009, at 03:20PM, "Ryan W" wrote: >Addendum #3: We ain't dead yet. Sure, the road's harder. But alot can change in a month. Injuries happen. Hell, miracles happen. The best team on paper doesn't always win. Sometimes, players play above their ability. Sometimes superstars are born during the playoffs. Don't give up hope yet. It's silly to do so... From eggcentric at aol.com Thu Apr 16 21:46:45 2009 From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:46:45 -0400 Subject: Ainge hospitalized Message-ID: Just heard that Danny Ainge has been hospitalized after suffering a mild heart attack. ? ? From snoopy at celticsbeagle.net Thu Apr 16 23:33:29 2009 From: snoopy at celticsbeagle.net (Snoopy the Celtics Beagle) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:33:29 -0400 Subject: Dear Naysayers: You Are WRONG! Message-ID: <20090416233342.074E8E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> I can understand why Danny Ainge had a heart attack (from which it appears he is expected to fully recover). After reading the media experts once AGAIN predicting doom and gloom for the Celtics just because we might not have Kevin Garnett, MY chest hurt. Didn't those unutterable morons learn ANYTHING from LAST year's playoffs? This is NOT the Cleveland Cavaliers. It sure as hell isn't the $%&#$%&#$#&* Lakers. The Cavs are just another team without LeBron James. Without Garnett the Celtics aren't as good, but they're still the Boston Celtics. The *%%^*#@*^$ Lakers? HA! Those wimps folded when things got too tough. The majority of their so-called "fans" last year were easily outnumbered by Celtics fans in their own building! This is the Boston Celtics. Some of us are old enough to remember 1969. That year, the Celts weren't going to win, they said. Bullshit, Bill Russell said. Bill Russell, in his final year as player for and head Coach of the Boston Celtics, would not allow it to happen. We owe those Celtics of yesteryear the same refusal to yield this year. This year, the Celtics aren't going to win, they say. Bullshit, I say. I refuse to allow that idea to be valid. I refuse to quit before a single game is played. And I refuse to let ANYTHING convince me otherwise. Unless it is no longer physically possible by dint of lost games, I say again, the Celtics WILL win and get Banner 18 this June. It won't be easy. It will be a trench war from start to finish. But this is MY TEAM, and I KNOW they'll fight just as they have all year. Sometimes, I can tell you from personal experience, you just have to be more stubborn than the people telling you that you won't make it. And the Naysayers, professional and otherwise, are WRONG. Me, and my TEAM, will start proving it on Saturday. You wanna take on me AND my team? Go for it. I got their backs. Are you with me, Celtics fans??? GO CELTICS! GET BANNER 18! Snoopy the Celtics Beagle Please visit the Celtics Beagle Website From regmanw6 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 00:31:47 2009 From: regmanw6 at yahoo.com (R Howe) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:31:47 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dear Naysayers: You Are WRONG! In-Reply-To: <20090416233342.074E8E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> Message-ID: <474046.87772.qm@web56707.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Amen Brother Beagle --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle wrote: From: Snoopy the Celtics Beagle Subject: Dear Naysayers: You Are WRONG! To: celtics at igtc.com, Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 7:33 PM I can understand why Danny Ainge had a heart attack (from which it appears he is expected to fully recover). After reading the media experts once AGAIN predicting doom and gloom for the Celtics just because we might not have Kevin Garnett, MY chest hurt. Didn't those unutterable morons learn ANYTHING from LAST year's playoffs? This is NOT the Cleveland Cavaliers. It sure as hell isn't the $%&#$%&#$#&* Lakers. The Cavs are just another team without LeBron James. Without Garnett the Celtics aren't as good, but they're still the Boston Celtics. The *%%^*#@*^$ Lakers? HA! Those wimps folded when things got too tough. The majority of their so-called "fans" last year were easily outnumbered by Celtics fans in their own building! This is the Boston Celtics. Some of us are old enough to remember 1969. That year, the Celts weren't going to win, they said. Bullshit, Bill Russell said. Bill Russell, in his final year as player for and head Coach of the Boston Celtics, would not allow it to happen. We owe those Celtics of yesteryear the same refusal to yield this year. This year, the Celtics aren't going to win, they say. Bullshit, I say. I refuse to allow that idea to be valid. I refuse to quit before a single game is played. And I refuse to let ANYTHING convince me otherwise. Unless it is no longer physically possible by dint of lost games, I say again, the Celtics WILL win and get Banner 18 this June. It won't be easy. It will be a trench war from start to finish. But this is MY TEAM, and I KNOW they'll fight just as they have all year. Sometimes, I can tell you from personal experience, you just have to be more stubborn than the people telling you that you won't make it. And the Naysayers, professional and otherwise, are WRONG. Me, and my TEAM, will start proving it on Saturday. You wanna take on me AND my team? Go for it. I got their backs. Are you with me, Celtics fans??? GO CELTICS! GET BANNER 18! Snoopy the Celtics Beagle Please visit the Celtics Beagle Website _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Fri Apr 17 01:22:46 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: All the best Message-ID: <633291.82205.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I second those who believe the wins in the playoffs this year may possibly be sweeter than last year and, hopefully, more fun. Thanks for those great thoughts. Very sorry to hear about one of our many great leaders - Danny Ainge. It is good to know that he is expected to make a full recovery and he is resting comfortably. I wish all the best for everyone involved. Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com Fri Apr 17 03:42:28 2009 From: roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com (Belanger, Roger) Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:42:28 -0400 Subject: Dear Naysayers: You Are WRONG! In-Reply-To: <20090416233342.074E8E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> References: <20090416233342.074E8E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> Message-ID: <37451F909D962F4684FE4127C64208A8010065A7@invsfoxxchpub01> Good for you Snoop, i'm with you!! BTW, what about our high stakes game of predicting wins and losses? Any one close this year? thx, roger ________________________________________ From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Snoopy the Celtics Beagle [snoopy at celticsbeagle.net] Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2009 7:33 PM To: celtics at igtc.com; Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com Subject: Dear Naysayers: You Are WRONG! I can understand why Danny Ainge had a heart attack (from which it appears he is expected to fully recover). After reading the media experts once AGAIN predicting doom and gloom for the Celtics just because we might not have Kevin Garnett, MY chest hurt. Didn't those unutterable morons learn ANYTHING from LAST year's playoffs? This is NOT the Cleveland Cavaliers. It sure as hell isn't the $%&#$%&#$#&* Lakers. The Cavs are just another team without LeBron James. Without Garnett the Celtics aren't as good, but they're still the Boston Celtics. The *%%^*#@*^$ Lakers? HA! Those wimps folded when things got too tough. The majority of their so-called "fans" last year were easily outnumbered by Celtics fans in their own building! This is the Boston Celtics. Some of us are old enough to remember 1969. That year, the Celts weren't going to win, they said. Bullshit, Bill Russell said. Bill Russell, in his final year as player for and head Coach of the Boston Celtics, would not allow it to happen. We owe those Celtics of yesteryear the same refusal to yield this year. This year, the Celtics aren't going to win, they say. Bullshit, I say. I refuse to allow that idea to be valid. I refuse to quit before a single game is played. And I refuse to let ANYTHING convince me otherwise. Unless it is no longer physically possible by dint of lost games, I say again, the Celtics WILL win and get Banner 18 this June. It won't be easy. It will be a trench war from start to finish. But this is MY TEAM, and I KNOW they'll fight just as they have all year. Sometimes, I can tell you from personal experience, you just have to be more stubborn than the people telling you that you won't make it. And the Naysayers, professional and otherwise, are WRONG. Me, and my TEAM, will start proving it on Saturday. You wanna take on me AND my team? Go for it. I got their backs. Are you with me, Celtics fans??? GO CELTICS! GET BANNER 18! Snoopy the Celtics Beagle Please visit the Celtics Beagle Website _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. 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This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). From green00333444 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 12:42:12 2009 From: green00333444 at yahoo.com (Green 00) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 05:42:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dear Naysayers: You Are WRONG! In-Reply-To: <20090416233342.074E8E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> Message-ID: <806630.90097.qm@web63105.mail.re1.yahoo.com> And I NEVER would have expected the C's to win 62 games without Garnet for the last 2 months of the season...so anything is possible... Point: Cleveland won 66 games this and it looks like it's 'their year' (Plus James gets the 'Michael Jordon Treatment' from the refs) Counter Point: Cleveland had the opportunity to match the 85-86 Celtics for wins (67) and best home record (40-1). They choose NOT to go for the record. This says a lot about their organization... Detroit over Cleveland in 7 Utah over LAF in 6 C's over Denver to win #18 in 6 Charles From snoopy at celticsbeagle.net Fri Apr 17 15:34:10 2009 From: snoopy at celticsbeagle.net (Snoopy the Celtics Beagle) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:34:10 -0400 Subject: Predictions list update and WINNERS April 17, 2009 Message-ID: <20090417153423.66A41E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> The final Predictions update--after I belatedly realized none of my previous updates posted, sorry. December: All good things do come to an end, as the Celtics hit a bump on the road to the Championship. This has had an impact on the list, as the first one to drop this season was Mrs. Celtics Beagle and her 78-4 prediction, lost when the Celtics lost to the Portland Trailblazers on December 30. Had the C's won, we'd have gone the first three months of the season with the list intact. She was not happy to hear this and much chocolate was consumed as a result. January: The next person to drop off the list was.....well, me. Snoopy the Celtics Beagle and the 74-8 prediction were shot down by the Red Baron, disguised as the Cleveland Cavaliers on January 9. Rats! I really thought I had a shot at winning this season. February: Alden Brosseau and Frederick Hurley, both of whom predicted a 70-12 record for the Good Guys, lasted all the way until February 25, when a loss to the L.A. Clippers doomed their chances. March: The 69-13 record predicted by Anne "Snoopy" Cankosyan fell soon afterward, on March 1 at the hands of the Detroit Pistons. On March 8, the Celtics fell to the Orlando Magic, taking the 68-14 prognostications of Eric Albert, David J. Boutt?, and Steve Chomicz with them. The Good Guys unfortunately kept dropping as Jimbo and Steve Ouellette watched their call for a 67-15 record, a game better then last season, fell by the wayside in the wake of the March 11 loss to the Miami Heat. Bob Strauss, the only person to predict a 66-16 record equal to last season, found the C's unequal to the task as they took a March 15 loss to the Milwaukee Bucks. At long last, we start dropping people because of wins, with the March 23 win over the L.A. Clippers putting the 53-29 predictions of Goody, RHowe, RolloApollo, and Mihkel Samar??tel in the rear view mirror. On March 25, Boston dropped another game to the Orlando Magic and the 64-18 predictions of Jonathan Branin and Mafiaso316. March 29 closes out this busy month as a win over the Oklahoma City Thunder (the former Seattle Supersonics) also win over the predictions of Aim?e, Rodrigo Amorim, Doctor Jay, Musty Celtic Joe, Asterix Ninetynine, and Tone81. April No fooling around here as the Celtics took a double overtime win over the Charlotte Bobcats to yank the 56-26 prediction of Steve Knight off the list. On April 3, The C's beat the Atlanta Hawks to topple the 57-25 predictions of Barry Lird, Little Rich, Gary Sweatt, and Cecil Wright out of contention. Boston beat the New Jersey Nets on April 8 and also beat the record of 58-24 given by davidp, Douglas342, Troy Hash, Alex Goldblatt, Jaims, Michael J. King , Sr., and Marc Pierce. On April 10, the Celtics broke past the record of 59-23 with a win over the Miami Heat and ran over the prognostications of Nathan A., Paul Bauer, Bird33, Celts Steve, Roy Enrile, Paul M. Moriarty, and Robert Tukey, Jr.. They came soooooo close! But alas, the 63-19 call of Roger S. Belanger, Jared Cantin, darrell, and Larry Taylor all dropped on April 12, as the C's dropped a tough one to the Cleveland Cavaliers. We lost the biggest number of people from the list on April 14, as Boston beat the Philadelphia 76ers and the record of 60-22 that Rich D., BDodgers, Noah Evans, FlCeltsFan, Jim Hill, js33, Gene Kirkpatrick, Adam Patterson, Richard Quan, Root Beer Richie, Stephen Teague, and Dwain Williams called for. The last group we lost--and so very, very close they were also--fell on the very last day of the regular season, April 15 as the Good Guys closed out with a win over the Washington Wizards and the prediction that the C's would go 61-21 fell at long last for Michael Gooen, IamDave, Jojo, jtcraider, Ken Kokubo, John Lyell, Josh Ozersky, PocketMD, and RMN. That leaves the winners for this season, who predicted a record of 62-20 for the Good Guys. Congratulations to gjsliney, JB, Andy Leckart, Eric Pincus, and RMR! It was really close this season, as thirteen people were within one win or one loss of winning! The positive thinking before the season paid off, as we only lost four people off the list between October and February! As we get ready to root our team in for the Playoffs, let's keep the good thoughts coming and the good games going Thanks to everyone who participated this season, and I look forward to even more people having fun with this next season! Snoopy the Celtics Beagle From roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com Fri Apr 17 15:47:14 2009 From: roger.belanger at ips.invensys.com (Belanger, Roger) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 11:47:14 -0400 Subject: Predictions list update and WINNERS April 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: <20090417153423.66A41E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> References: <20090417153423.66A41E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> Message-ID: <37451F909D962F4684FE4127C64208A8010125F5@invsfoxxchpub01> Hey, Snoop, Thx for the update on the predictions, fun yet again to see the results. I couldn't remember what I had predicted but I thought I might be close, but no go. Anyhow, thx again for putting all this work in and hoping life is treating you well. Best regards, roger Roger S. Belanger Phone: 1-508-549-2796 Fax: 1-508-549-2263 IPS Information Technology IPS IT Help Desk - Americas Region Toll Free Number: 1-866-873-7435 Toll Number: 1-508-549-3444 -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Snoopy the Celtics Beagle Sent: Friday, April 17, 2009 11:34 AM To: celtics at igtc.com; Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com Subject: Predictions list update and WINNERS April 17, 2009 The final Predictions update--after I belatedly realized none of my previous updates posted, sorry. December: All good things do come to an end, as the Celtics hit a bump on the road to the Championship. This has had an impact on the list, as the first one to drop this season was Mrs. Celtics Beagle and her 78-4 prediction, lost when the Celtics lost to the Portland Trailblazers on December 30. Had the C's won, we'd have gone the first three months of the season with the list intact. She was not happy to hear this and much chocolate was consumed as a result. January: The next person to drop off the list was.....well, me. Snoopy the Celtics Beagle and the 74-8 prediction were shot down by the Red Baron, disguised as the Cleveland Cavaliers on January 9. Rats! I really thought I had a shot at winning this season. February: Alden Brosseau and Frederick Hurley, both of whom predicted a 70-12 record for the Good Guys, lasted all the way until February 25, when a loss to the L.A. Clippers doomed their chances. March: The 69-13 record predicted by Anne "Snoopy" Cankosyan fell soon afterward, on March 1 at the hands of the Detroit Pistons. On March 8, the Celtics fell to the Orlando Magic, taking the 68-14 prognostications of Eric Albert, David J. Boutt?, and Steve Chomicz with them. The Good Guys unfortunately kept dropping as Jimbo and Steve Ouellette watched their call for a 67-15 record, a game better then last season, fell by the wayside in the wake of the March 11 loss to the Miami Heat. Bob Strauss, the only person to predict a 66-16 record equal to last season, found the C's unequal to the task as they took a March 15 loss to the Milwaukee Bucks. At long last, we start dropping people because of wins, with the March 23 win over the L.A. Clippers putting the 53-29 predictions of Goody, RHowe, RolloApollo, and Mihkel Samar??tel in the rear view mirror. On March 25, Boston dropped another game to the Orlando Magic and the 64-18 predictions of Jonathan Branin and Mafiaso316. March 29 closes out this busy month as a win over the Oklahoma City Thunder (the former Seattle Supersonics) also win over the predictions of Aim?e, Rodrigo Amorim, Doctor Jay, Musty Celtic Joe, Asterix Ninetynine, and Tone81. April No fooling around here as the Celtics took a double overtime win over the Charlotte Bobcats to yank the 56-26 prediction of Steve Knight off the list. On April 3, The C's beat the Atlanta Hawks to topple the 57-25 predictions of Barry Lird, Little Rich, Gary Sweatt, and Cecil Wright out of contention. Boston beat the New Jersey Nets on April 8 and also beat the record of 58-24 given by davidp, Douglas342, Troy Hash, Alex Goldblatt, Jaims, Michael J. King , Sr., and Marc Pierce. On April 10, the Celtics broke past the record of 59-23 with a win over the Miami Heat and ran over the prognostications of Nathan A., Paul Bauer, Bird33, Celts Steve, Roy Enrile, Paul M. Moriarty, and Robert Tukey, Jr.. They came soooooo close! But alas, the 63-19 call of Roger S. Belanger, Jared Cantin, darrell, and Larry Taylor all dropped on April 12, as the C's dropped a tough one to the Cleveland Cavaliers. We lost the biggest number of people from the list on April 14, as Boston beat the Philadelphia 76ers and the record of 60-22 that Rich D., BDodgers, Noah Evans, FlCeltsFan, Jim Hill, js33, Gene Kirkpatrick, Adam Patterson, Richard Quan, Root Beer Richie, Stephen Teague, and Dwain Williams called for. The last group we lost--and so very, very close they were also--fell on the very last day of the regular season, April 15 as the Good Guys closed out with a win over the Washington Wizards and the prediction that the C's would go 61-21 fell at long last for Michael Gooen, IamDave, Jojo, jtcraider, Ken Kokubo, John Lyell, Josh Ozersky, PocketMD, and RMN. That leaves the winners for this season, who predicted a record of 62-20 for the Good Guys. Congratulations to gjsliney, JB, Andy Leckart, Eric Pincus, and RMR! It was really close this season, as thirteen people were within one win or one loss of winning! The positive thinking before the season paid off, as we only lost four people off the list between October and February! As we get ready to root our team in for the Playoffs, let's keep the good thoughts coming and the good games going Thanks to everyone who participated this season, and I look forward to even more people having fun with this next season! Snoopy the Celtics Beagle _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics ** Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail, including any associated or attached files, is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This e-mail is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received it in error, you are on notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. 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This e-mail and any attachments thereto may be subject to the terms of any agreements between Invensys (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates) and the recipient (and/or its subsidiaries and affiliates). From gregodegaard at yahoo.com Fri Apr 17 19:49:36 2009 From: gregodegaard at yahoo.com (Greg Odegaard) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 12:49:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KG = KG Message-ID: <63175.49270.qm@web52302.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Before we spell too much doom and gloom, the playoffs normally have many weird twists and turns, in the long process it is. I would imagine the top star of at least one other team will suffer some kind of injury that slows them down or kicks them to the curb. ? My oldest son notes to?whomever that we are the champions until dethroned, and I don't myself see that happening soon. ? Let's not forget the last great injuried sports start hero and maybe the greatest ever. ? KG = Kevin Garnett, but before him it was and may always be Kirk Gibson. ? So during any game to come imagine, the grizzled "old" coach seeing one good at bat and putting the injuried champion star out there to limp in that case on one good leg too. ? KG can in this be our KG, but before it was the amazing Kirk Gibson turning that entire series around on his back and bat. ? Remember; Anything is Possible. ? Have fun at least folks, I know I will. ? Greg ? Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 14:19:20 -0400 From: douglas342 at aol.com Subject: Re: KG could miss entire postseason To: celtics at igtc.com Message-ID: <8CB8CD6FEBE4EA1-A58-18E2 at WEBMAIL-DZ07.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed No kidding.? Whe he didn't come back after playing four games, you began to wonder. But in a way it's a relief.? Last year, I felt that Cs should win it, but what if something went wrong?? Now, they're not supposed to win, but what if something goes right? I have a funny feeling that we're going to be very proud of this team when it ends for the year. -----Original Message----- From: Paul M. Moriarty To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 9:57 am Subject: Re: KG could miss entire postseason On Apr 16, 2009, at 8:45 AM, BDodgers at aol.com wrote:? ? >? > KG could miss entire postseason? >? ? I think most of us have been holding our breath hoping it wasn't so. Looks like we can exhale. :(? ? - Paul -? ? _______________________________________________? The Boston Celtics Mailing List? celtics at igtc.com? http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? From BDodgers at aol.com Fri Apr 17 23:14:56 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:14:56 EDT Subject: Garnett's diagnosis opens door to return Message-ID: Chris Mannix > INSIDE THE NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/chris_mannix/archive/) Garnett's diagnosis opens door to return -- or some harsh questions Story Highlights Some NBA trainers believe Kevin Garnett could recover from injury in playoffs Strained tendon in Garnett's knee can be treated only by rest and rehabilitation Fact that Garnett has been ruled out of playoffs by Celtics suggests tendon tear WALTHAM, Mass -- Another day, another round of questions for the _Boston Celtics_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/celtics) about injured forward _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3007) . For the second straight afternoon Celtics players declared their readiness to go through the postseason without their emotional leader. But the question is: how long will they really have to? The Celtics have maintained that Garnett's injury, which they have called a strained popliteus tendon that is located deep inside the back of the knee, will prevent him from playing at all in the postseason. But SI.com contacted five trainers from different NBA teams, all of whom said they believed that Garnett could potentially play if Boston advances in the playoffs. "I was really surprised when they announced he was done," said one trainer. "If that really is his injury, he could definitely be back on the court." All five trainers agreed with what Celtics coach Doc Rivers has publicly stated: the surgery Garnett will undergo in the offseason to remove bone spurs from his knee has nothing to do with the tendon that has forced him to sit out for 25 games this season. "Apples and oranges," said another trainer. "Bone spurs are basically the result of calcium deposits in the knee. When you have a guy like Garnett, who has played so many games and so many years, a surgery like that is not uncommon. And it has nothing to do with the tendon." The problem with Garnett's injury, according to two trainers, is that it is essentially untreatable. Because of the location of the tendon, the only course of action is rest. Steps can be taken to manage the pain -- ice and ultrasound are two of the most common -- but the only way for it to heal is to let the body heal the tendon itself. Recovery times vary. A league source told SI.com that Jermaine O'Neal suffered from a similar injury while he was with Toronto. O'Neal missed three games in November and 11 more between January and February with knee problems but has played in 39 of his last 42 games with Toronto and Miami. "It really is unpredictable," said one trainer. "It's a thin, fibrous muscle and sometimes that makes it difficult for blood to get to it." The fact that the Celtics are ruling Garnett out for the postseason makes several trainers wonder if the injury is more serious than they are letting on. "There's probably a tear there," said one trainer. "I have a hard time seeing how a player with the pain tolerance of Garnett isn't able to play with a strain. Especially when you consider he has missed so much time with the injury already." On Friday Rivers said he had no plans on re-evaluating Garnett in the future. But when pressed, Rivers said that if the Celtics training staff tells him that Garnett is showing improvement, he would put Garnett through a workout to determine if he is game ready. "The answer to that question is yes," said Rivers in responding to a query about whether he would reconsider his intial stance. "I hope they tell me [he's getting better]. I want him to play." 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No. 1 Cavaliers vs. No. 8 Pistons Why the Cavs should win While Tayshaun Prince is an excellent defender, he's not strong enough to seriously bother LeBron James. And if James can hit a few perimeter shots, the Cavs will breeze through the series. Since Rip Hamilton is the only Piston who can routinely light up the scoreboard, Cleveland's bigs will focus on helping to defend his utilization of various screens to curl, pop and reverse. Hamilton's energetic, but less than stifling defense will also be exploited by the underrated Delonte West. Rodney Stuckey's shaky handle will be attacked by the much quicker Mo Williams. The Cavs will push the ball into Zydrunas Ilgauskas hoping to get Rasheed Wallace into early foul trouble. Since Wallace is easily provoked by calls that go against him, he could easily become a non-factor, or even a negative force. Efforts will be made to keep Will Bynum out of the middle. But if the Pistons' quick-footed guard does penetrate, the Cavs will ambush all available passing lanes knowing that Bynum is prone to making passes while he's in the air. Cleveland will out-rebound, out-defend, out-score and out-run Detroit.. The Cavs SHOULD win in 4. How the Pistons could win The most important decision to be made is exactly how to defend LBJ. Double him whenever possible and force his supporting cast to win the game? Or play him straight up, concede his 30-40 (50?) points, and shut down everybody else? Or perhaps mix and match these two options? The Pistons would best be served by having the long-armed Prince play off of James, even to the extent of going under any high screens. The idea being to let James shoot as many outside jumpers as he wishes, thereby minimizing his opportunities to get his teammates involved. Also, James should be vigorously denied his left hand since he shoots much better going that way. Instead, he should be forced right, and kept right. Moreover, LBJ must be forced to play defense. Involve him in isolations, run him off multiple screens, and have his man go back-door whenever James turns his head to peek at the ball. Stuckey should be given multiple opportunities to overpower Williams either in the low- or mid-post areas, or in wing isos. Because the Cavs are a big man short, Wallace should post-up Ilgauskas and Antonio McDyess should do the same to Anderson Varejao. Foul trouble for either (or both) forces Cleveland to play Darnell Jackson, an earnest but inexperienced rookie. The Pistons must concentrate on controlling their defensive glass and prevent the Cavs from getting second-chance shots. Detroit should try to control the tempo by taking the air out of the ball, then counter Cleveland's aggressive defense with reversal passes and backdoor cuts. As ever, the key to Detroit's destiny will be Rasheed Wallace. If his chops are up, if his focus is steady, and if he's willing to venture into the low post, then the Pistons will be able to complement Hamilton's perpetual-motion offensive thrusts. And the Pistons would have a great shot at advancing if LBJ were to suffer a debilitating injury early in the series. Otherwise, the Pistons COULD win four games only if they played a best-of-15 series. No. 2 Celtics vs. No. 7 Bulls Why the Celtics should win Their defense is too quick, too tough, and too disciplined for the Bulls to develop any kind of offensive rhythm. Paul Pierce has the skills, the heart and the determination to chump whoever tries to defend him. Indeed, there's no way that John Salmons' defense can accomplish anything other than slightly annoying Pierce. And because the Celtics led the NBA in 3-point accuracy ? 39.3% ? doubling PP is extremely risky. None of the Bulls guards will be able to keep up with Ray Allen's off-the-ball cuts, curls, and pops. Because Perkins has refined his pivotal offense, he can easily overpower Joakim Noah. And because Brad Miller isn't quite as tough as he's presumed to be, so Perkins can also successfully operate against him in the low post. With Kevin Garnett on the shelf, Glen Davis will be able to demonstrate that his improved jumper has to be honored. Rajon Rondo can out-quick any of the Bulls' point guards, and zip to the hoop against them all. Leon Powe is tougher than any of the Bulls. Stephon Marbury is finally in synch and in shape, and is ready to play meaningful minutes. Tony Allen is an underrated defender and penetrator. Eddie House can shoot the lights on or off. The Bulls lack a pivotal scorer so the Celtics can play aggressive perimeter defense while Perkins and KG jam the middle and snuff drivers. The Celtics will wipe the glass clean at both ends. After the Bulls were humiliated by Toronto at home to close out the regular season, they know in their hearts that they can't possibly win the series ? so they won't be able to stay motivated from tip to buzzer. The Celtics are the defending champs, are playoff-hardened, and know how to win. The Celtics SHOULD win in 5. Why Chicago could win They have great depth at the point and the wing positions. Ben Gordon, John Salmons, Kirk Hinrich and Derrick Rose are each capable of scoring points by the dozen. This is the strongest aspect and the focal point of Chicago's game plan. Rose is bigger and stronger than Rondo and might be able to bully his counterpart in the paint. Gordon, Salmons and Brad Miller all shoot over 40 percent from beyond the arc. Since Miller is primarily a high-post player, Perkins will be discomforted playing earnest defense so far from the basket. Tyrus Thomas may be able to out-quick and out-jump Davis. Plus, Boston's defense will be seriously compromised without Garnett. Salmons is a jack-of-all-trades and master of many. The Bulls COULD win but only through the auspices of divine intervention. No. 3 Magic vs. No. 7 Sixers Why the Magic should win The Sixers' interior defenders ? Samuel Dalembert and Theo Ratliff ? are bouncy lightweights, and will not be able to prevent Dwight Howard from dominating the paint. This will necessitate doubling Howard, which will then give the Magic's dead-eye 3-point shooters plenty of open looks. Hedo Turkoglu, Rashard Lewis, Courtney Lee, Anthony Johnson, J.J. Redick, Mickael Pietrus, and (to a lesser degree) Rafer Alston can accurately shoot over any defense the Sixers might present. The Magic will own both backboards and game-to-game will get many more second shots. Lewis is a professional point-maker with size, quickness and cunning. Andre Iguodala cannot contain him without getting substantial defensive help. Since Turkoglu is a 3-point-shooting, tricky-driving, excellent-passing point-forward, he presents an unusual challenge and a difficult cover for Thaddeus Young. Alston should run rings around the slow-footed Andre Miller. Philadelphia lacks a reliable post-up scorer, and is also the worst perimeter-shooting team in the league ? only 31.9 percent from beyond the arc. This means that Howard will be able to hang around the paint on defense, which is not good news for Andre Iguodala, because his erratic jumper forces him to look for the drive. Pietrus is a legitimate defensive stopper who can come off the bench and give Iguodala a world of trouble. To win, the Sixers must run. To run, they must either control their defensive glass (an impossibility), or else play aggressive deny-defense and look for steals (a dangerous tactic against the clever-passing Magic). Orlando SHOULD win in 6. How the Sixers could win They're quicker at every position except point guard ? and quicker at all positions when Lou Williams replaces Miller ? so they just might be able to get out and go even after Orlando's makes. Willie Green has the kind of tough defense that can take Courtney Lee out of the game. Royal Ivey is a defensive stopper who's able to shut down Alston and Johnson. Turkoglu will be hard-pressed to defend the talented and athletic slants of Young. And the late-season development of young Marreese Speights could take the Magic by surprise. In the clutch, Howard can be fouled for profit. When he's doubled on the move, Howard usually makes poor decisions with the ball. If the Sixers are able to speed up the pace, they could significantly negate Howard's influence. The Magic's bench is short on creative scorers, so early foul trouble for any of their starters could be troublesome. Lou Williams can easily get to the hoop against the defenseless Alston and the painfully slow Johnson. The Magic fell apart as the regular season ended, while the Sixers are buoyed by their scrappy win against the Cavs' subs that gained the sixth seed. The Sixers COULD win in 7. No. 4 Hawks vs. No. 5 Heat Why the Hawks should win They play extremely well at home, while Miami is not an especially good road team. Overall, the Hawks' rotation players are much more athletic than their counterparts, and Atlanta's running game will be devastating. If Josh Smith has his head screwed on right, he will attack the rim, play positional defense, and prove to be much too quick for Udonis Haslem to corral. Al Horford is too active for Jermaine O'Neal to keep up with. Joe Johnson is an authentic two-way player, as well as being an outstanding go-to scorer who's both willing and eager to pass. His adhesive defense will pressure Jamario Moon into making his usual quota of bad decisions. Mike Bibby's long-distance shooting will discourage the Heat from packing the middle on defense. Also, Bibby is still too tricky to be bothered much by the rookie defense of Mario Chalmers. Flip Murray is a high-volume point-maker off the bench. Except for Bibby and possibly Murray, the Hawks are big enough to switch high screen/rolls while suffering only minimal damage. When the Hawks are on offense, Dwyane Wade is an excellent situational defender. Otherwise, Udonis Haslem is the only opponent whose defense must be attended to. The Hawks will successfully attack their offensive glass. Atlanta's unexpected success against Boston in last year's opening round will provide a huge confidence boost. Wade's effectiveness can be reduced if he's played soft and allowed to shoot from the outside. The Hawks SHOULD win in 7. How the Heat could win Jermaine O'Neal can overpower Horford in the low-post. D-Wade can single-handedly ground the Hawks. If he's doubled, the Heat's deadly 3-point shooters ? Michael Beasley, Daequan Cook, Chris Quinn, and Jamario Moon ? could make this tactic extremely costly. Moon is sufficiently quick and athletic to give Joe Johnson a run for the money. Beasley continues to be a productive point-maker, and perhaps will thrive in the playoff pressure. Haslem can bully Smith and get him riled and wild. On-the-ball-pressure and deny defense can force the Hawks into committing lots of turnovers. Smith is a roamer on defense, looking to block every shot he can see. Consequently, the Hawks have no reliable shot-blockers so the middle could be wide open. The Heat COULD win in 7. **************Join ChristianMingle.com? FREE! Meet Christian Singles in your area. Start now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221246370x1201421635/aol?redir=http://www.christianmingle.com/campaign.html?cat=adbuy&src=pl atforma&adid=aolfooter&newurl=reg_path.html) From douglas342 at aol.com Sat Apr 18 00:32:34 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:32:34 -0400 Subject: Predictions list update and WINNERS April 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: <20090417153423.66A41E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> References: <20090417153423.66A41E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> Message-ID: <8CB8DD44D151B31-15C8-39A5@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> Snoop, I once went over several years of predictions from your site and think that htis year there were more people close than at any time in the past. One year (maybe the year before last?) no one was within 4 or 5 games of getting it right, but I betcha a majority had 57 or more this year. -----Original Message----- From: Snoopy the Celtics Beagle To: celtics at igtc.com; Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 8:34 am Subject: Predictions list update and WINNERS April 17, 2009 The final Predictions update--after I belatedly realized none of my previous updates posted, sorry.? ? December:? All good things do come to an end, as the Celtics hit a bump on the road to the Championship. This has had an impact on the list, as the first one to drop this season was Mrs. Celtics Beagle and her 78-4 prediction, lost when the Celtics lost to the Portland Trailblazers on December 30. Had the C's won, we'd have gone the first three months of the season with the list intact. She was not happy to hear this and much chocolate was consumed as a result.? ? January:? The next person to drop off the list was.....well, me. Snoopy the Celtics Beagle and the 74-8 prediction were shot down by the Red Baron, disguised as the Cleveland Cavaliers on January 9. Rats! I really thought I had a shot at winning this season.? ? February:0 Alden Brosseau and Frederick Hurley, both of whom predicted a 70-12 record for the Good Guys, lasted all the way until February 25, when a loss to the L.A. Clippers doomed their chances.? ? March:? The 69-13 record predicted by Anne "Snoopy" Cankosyan fell soon afterward, on March 1 at the hands of the Detroit Pistons.? ? On March 8, the Celtics fell to the Orlando Magic, taking the 68-14 prognostications of Eric Albert, David J. Boutt?, and Steve Chomicz with them.? ? The Good Guys unfortunately kept dropping as Jimbo and Steve Ouellette watched their call for a 67-15 record, a game better then last season, fell by the wayside in the wake of the March 11 loss to the Miami Heat.? ? Bob Strauss, the only person to predict a 66-16 record equal to last season, found the C's unequal to the task as they took a March 15 loss to the Milwaukee Bucks.? ? At long last, we start dropping people because of wins, with the March 23 win over the L.A. Clippers putting the 53-29 predictions of Goody, RHowe, RolloApollo, and Mihkel Samar??tel in the rear view mirror.? ? On March 25, Boston dropped another game to the Orlando Magic and the 64-18 predictions of Jonathan Branin and Mafiaso316.? ? March 29 closes out this busy month as a win over the Oklahoma City Thunder (the former Seattle Supersonics) also win over the predictions of Aim=C 3e, Rodrigo Amorim, Doctor Jay, Musty Celtic Joe, Asterix Ninetynine, and Tone81.? ? April? No fooling around here as the Celtics took a double overtime win over the Charlotte Bobcats to yank the 56-26 prediction of Steve Knight off the list.? ? On April 3, The C's beat the Atlanta Hawks to topple the 57-25 predictions of Barry Lird, Little Rich, Gary Sweatt, and Cecil Wright out of contention.? ? Boston beat the New Jersey Nets on April 8 and also beat the record of 58-24 given by davidp, Douglas342, Troy Hash, Alex Goldblatt, Jaims, Michael J. King , Sr., and Marc Pierce.? ? On April 10, the Celtics broke past the record of 59-23 with a win over the Miami Heat and ran over the prognostications of Nathan A., Paul Bauer, Bird33, Celts Steve, Roy Enrile, Paul M. Moriarty, and Robert Tukey, Jr..? ? They came soooooo close! But alas, the 63-19 call of Roger S. Belanger, Jared Cantin, darrell, and Larry Taylor all dropped on April 12, as the C's dropped a tough one to the Cleveland Cavaliers.? ? We lost the biggest number of people from the list on April 14, as Boston beat the Philadelphia 76ers and the record of 60-22 that Rich D., BDodgers, Noah Evans, FlCeltsFan, Jim Hill, js33, Gene Kirkpatrick, Adam Patterson, Richard Quan, Root Beer Richie, Stephen Teague, and Dwain Williams called for.? ? The last group we lost--and so very, very close they were also--fell on the very last day of the regular season, April 15 as the Good Guys closed out with a win over the Washington Wizards and the prediction that the C's would go 61-21 fell at long last for Michael Gooen, IamDave, Jojo, jtcraider, Ken Kokubo, John Lyell, Josh Ozersky, PocketMD, and RMN.? ? That leaves the winners for this season, who predicted a record of 62-20 for the Good Guys. Congratulations to gjsliney, JB, Andy Leckart, Eric Pincus, and RMR!? ? It was really close this season, as thirteen people were within one win or one loss of winning! The positive thinking before the season paid off, as we only lost four people off the list between October and February! As we get ready to root our team in for the Playoffs, let's keep the good thoughts coming and the good games going? ? Thanks to everyone who participated this season, and I look forward to even more people having fun with this next season!? ? Snoopy the Celtics Beagle? _______________________________________________? The Boston Celtics Mailing List? celtics at igtc.com? http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? From snoopy at celticsbeagle.net Sat Apr 18 01:42:01 2009 From: snoopy at celticsbeagle.net (Snoopy the Celtics Beagle) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:42:01 -0400 Subject: Predictions list update and WINNERS April 17, 2009 In-Reply-To: <8CB8DD44D151B31-15C8-39A5@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> References: <20090417153423.66A41E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> <8CB8DD44D151B31-15C8-39A5@webmail-dd06.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090418014214.01A57E181C0@ignite.igtc.com> I'd say you're probably right. The lowest prediction this year was 53-29. Only 11 people predicted less then 57 wins, with most of those going with 55. The most popular number of wins predicted were: 60 wins - 12 people 61 wins - 9 people 59 wins - 7 people 58 wins - 7 people 55 wins - 6 people 62 wins - 5 people That means that 46 of 72 people predicted the C's would win between 55-62 games this season. Everyone figured at least 53 wins. 43 people predicted at least 60 wins. 4 people called for at least 70 wins. By stark contrast... In 2006-07, the C's went 24-58, with only two out of 237 people getting within 5 games (29-53 by Paul M. Moriarty and Charles). That was the year of the combined CBW/Celticsstuff list. At 08:32 PM 4/17/2009, you wrote: >Snoop, I once went over several years of >predictions from your site and think that htis >year there were more people close than at any >time in the past. One year (maybe the year >before last?) no one was within 4 or 5 games of >getting it right, but I betcha a majority had 57 or more this year. > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Snoopy the Celtics Beagle >To: celtics at igtc.com; Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com >Sent: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 8:34 am >Subject: Predictions list update and WINNERS April 17, 2009 > > >The final Predictions update--after I belatedly >realized none of my previous updates posted, sorry.? >? >December:? >All good things do come to an end, as the >Celtics hit a bump on the road to the >Championship. This has had an impact on the >list, as the first one to drop this season was >Mrs. Celtics Beagle and her 78-4 prediction, >lost when the Celtics lost to the Portland >Trailblazers on December 30. Had the C's won, >we'd have gone the first three months of the >season with the list intact. She was not happy >to hear this and much chocolate was consumed as a result.? >? >January:? >The next person to drop off the list >was.....well, me. Snoopy the Celtics Beagle and >the 74-8 prediction were shot down by the Red >Baron, disguised as the Cleveland Cavaliers on >January 9. Rats! I really thought I had a shot at winning this season.? >? >February:0 >Alden Brosseau and Frederick Hurley, both of >whom predicted a 70-12 record for the Good Guys, >lasted all the way until February 25, when a >loss to the L.A. Clippers doomed their chances.? >? >March:? >The 69-13 record predicted by Anne "Snoopy" >Cankosyan fell soon afterward, on March 1 at the >hands of the Detroit Pistons.? >? >On March 8, the Celtics fell to the Orlando >Magic, taking the 68-14 prognostications of Eric >Albert, David J. Boutt??, and Steve Chomicz with them.? >? >The Good Guys unfortunately kept dropping as >Jimbo and Steve Ouellette watched their call for >a 67-15 record, a game better then last season, >fell by the wayside in the wake of the March 11 loss to the Miami Heat.? >? >Bob Strauss, the only person to predict a 66-16 >record equal to last season, found the C's >unequal to the task as they took a March 15 loss to the Milwaukee Bucks.? >? >At long last, we start dropping people because >of wins, with the March 23 win over the L.A. >Clippers putting the 53-29 predictions of Goody, >RHowe, RolloApollo, and Mihkel Samar????tel in the rear view mirror.? >? >On March 25, Boston dropped another game to the >Orlando Magic and the 64-18 predictions of Jonathan Branin and Mafiaso316.? >? >March 29 closes out this busy month as a win >over the Oklahoma City Thunder (the former >Seattle Supersonics) also win over the predictions of Aim=C >3e, Rodrigo Amorim, Doctor Jay, Musty Celtic >Joe, Asterix Ninetynine, and Tone81.? >? >April? >No fooling around here as the Celtics took a >double overtime win over the Charlotte Bobcats >to yank the 56-26 prediction of Steve Knight off the list.? >? >On April 3, The C's beat the Atlanta Hawks to >topple the 57-25 predictions of Barry Lird, >Little Rich, Gary Sweatt, and Cecil Wright out of contention.? >? >Boston beat the New Jersey Nets on April 8 and >also beat the record of 58-24 given by davidp, >Douglas342, Troy Hash, Alex Goldblatt, Jaims, >Michael J. King , Sr., and Marc Pierce.? >? >On April 10, the Celtics broke past the record >of 59-23 with a win over the Miami Heat and ran >over the prognostications of Nathan A., Paul >Bauer, Bird33, Celts Steve, Roy Enrile, Paul M. >Moriarty, and Robert Tukey, Jr..? >? >They came soooooo close! But alas, the 63-19 >call of Roger S. Belanger, Jared Cantin, >darrell, and Larry Taylor all dropped on April >12, as the C's dropped a tough one to the Cleveland Cavaliers.? >? >We lost the biggest number of people from the >list on April 14, as Boston beat the >Philadelphia 76ers and the record of 60-22 that >Rich D., BDodgers, Noah Evans, FlCeltsFan, Jim >Hill, js33, Gene Kirkpatrick, Adam Patterson, >Richard Quan, Root Beer Richie, Stephen Teague, >and Dwain Williams called for.? >? >The last group we lost--and so very, very close >they were also--fell on the very last day of the >regular season, April 15 as the Good Guys closed >out with a win over the Washington Wizards and >the prediction that the C's would go 61-21 fell >at long last for Michael Gooen, IamDave, Jojo, >jtcraider, Ken Kokubo, John Lyell, Josh Ozersky, PocketMD, and RMN.? >? >That leaves the winners for this season, who >predicted a record of 62-20 for the Good Guys. >Congratulations to gjsliney, JB, Andy Leckart, Eric Pincus, and RMR!? >? >It was really close this season, as thirteen >people were within one win or one loss of >winning! The positive thinking before the season >paid off, as we only lost four people off the >list between October and February! As we get >ready to root our team in for the Playoffs, >let's keep the good thoughts coming and the good games going? >? >Thanks to everyone who participated this season, >and I look forward to even more people having fun with this next season!? >? >Snoopy the Celtics Beagle? >_______________________________________________? >The Boston Celtics Mailing List? >celtics at igtc.com? >http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? > >_______________________________________________ >The Boston Celtics Mailing List >celtics at igtc.com >http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Douglas342 at aol.com Sat Apr 18 03:42:18 2009 From: Douglas342 at aol.com (Douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 23:42:18 EDT Subject: Predictions list update and WINNERS April 17, 2009 Message-ID: I took about five courses in college that taught me about modes, medians, midranges, and averages, and I STILL don't have a clue. In a message dated 4/17/2009 6:42:49 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, snoopy at celticsbeagle.net writes: I'd say you're probably right. The lowest prediction this year was 53-29. Only 11 people predicted less then 57 wins, with most of those going with 55. The most popular number of wins predicted were: 60 wins - 12 people 61 wins - 9 people 59 wins - 7 people 58 wins - 7 people 55 wins - 6 people 62 wins - 5 people **************Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown00000003) From callmebogie at yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 04:07:34 2009 From: callmebogie at yahoo.com (Michael Gooen) Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:07:34 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Dear Naysayers: You Are WRONG! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <158531.78737.qm@web56805.mail.re3.yahoo.com> I'm with you, Snoopy. And Greg. And all of the other real Celtic fans. I'm not giving up on the Celtics until they do. Hell, if these guys can turn Stephon Marbury into an unselfish player, anything really IS possible. Sixteen wins to go! UBUNTU! --Michael Gooen P.S. Speedy and full recovery wishes to KG and especially to Danny Ainge. The 1980s Celtics have already lost two members (three, if you count Len Bias, four if you want to stretch to 1991 and count Derek Smith) far too soon to heart problems. Enough of that. It is a joy to see Bill Russell and Sam Jones still spry in their 70s - I hope the same for all of their brethren in green. > --- On Thu, 4/16/09, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle > wrote: > From: Snoopy the Celtics Beagle > > Subject: Dear Naysayers: You Are WRONG! > To: celtics at igtc.com, Celticsstuffgroup at yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, April 16, 2009, 7:33 PM > > I can understand why Danny Ainge had a heart attack (from > which it appears he is > expected to fully recover). After reading the media experts > once AGAIN > predicting doom and gloom for the Celtics just because we > might not have Kevin > Garnett, MY chest hurt. > > Didn't those unutterable morons learn ANYTHING from > LAST year's > playoffs? > > This is NOT the Cleveland Cavaliers. > > It sure as hell isn't the $%&#$%&#$#&* > Lakers. > > The Cavs are just another team without LeBron James. > Without Garnett the > Celtics aren't as good, but they're still the > Boston Celtics. > > The *%%^*#@*^$ Lakers? HA! Those wimps folded when things > got too tough. The > majority of their so-called "fans" last year were > easily outnumbered > by Celtics fans in their own building! > > This is the Boston Celtics. Some of us are old enough to > remember 1969. > > That year, the Celts weren't going to win, they said. > Bullshit, Bill > Russell said. > > Bill Russell, in his final year as player for and head > Coach of the Boston > Celtics, would not allow it to happen. > > We owe those Celtics of yesteryear the same refusal to > yield this year. > > This year, the Celtics aren't going to win, they say. > Bullshit, I say. > > I refuse to allow that idea to be valid. I refuse to quit > before a single game > is played. And I refuse to let ANYTHING convince me > otherwise. Unless it is no > longer physically possible by dint of lost games, I say > again, the Celtics WILL > win and get Banner 18 this June. > > It won't be easy. It will be a trench war from start > to finish. But this > is MY TEAM, and I KNOW they'll fight just as they have > all year. Sometimes, > I can tell you from personal experience, you just have to > be more stubborn than > the people telling you that you won't make it. > > And the Naysayers, professional and otherwise, are WRONG. > Me, and my TEAM, > will start proving it on Saturday. > > You wanna take on me AND my team? Go for it. I got their > backs. > > Are you with me, Celtics fans??? > > GO CELTICS! GET BANNER 18! > *************************************************************** From eggcentric at aol.com Sat Apr 18 15:04:52 2009 From: eggcentric at aol.com (eggcentric) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:04:52 -0400 Subject: Celts in 6 Message-ID: <12248784.31E4.4E7A.BB0F.4878C2FD02BF@aol.com> The Celts will be absent their best two-way player (Garnett)? while the Bulls will be absent their best two-way player? (Deng).? But that?s where the similarities end. For while we still have veteran leaders Pierce and Allen,? Chicago has none, nada, zilch.? Unless you consider? Rookie-of-the-Year Derrick Rose and Ben Gordon as the? ChiBulls veteran leaders. The only ChiBull who scares me a bit is center Brad Miller,? who due to his outside shot and savvy, can take Perk out? of his robotic defensive role.? If I was Del Negro I?d start? Miller over premier NBA jerkola, Noah.? Also, the? up-and-coming Tyrus Thomas should/could rule over? Davis and Powe.? And Salmons might shoot lights out? if he?s healthy. But he isn?t. ? Still overall, piece of cake for the good guys.? I envision? the Celts winning this series 4-2. ? Oh no - please, God, tell me that the initial/final stages? of Alzheimer's haven?t set in and that I?m not becoming? an overly optimistic Homer.? So on to KG. ? As Bob Ryan wrote when the trade was first made,? it wasn?t KG?s age, it was his minutes played and the? pounding his body had taken.? A strain to the popliteus tendon? Does anyone here? feel that the Celts have all along been lighting candles in? the sun while fearing KG?s injury was much worse (i.e. a meniscus tear) in concert with the $56.4 mill KG is? owed for the next three seasons? ? Does anyone here really feel there is no correlation? between KG?s ultimate prognosis and hard-working? Danny?s stress-induced minor heart attack?? Remember when basketball and the USA used to be? fun before they turned to bottom-line businesses who screwed up everything? As our simplistic Doc suggested, Danny will be fine? switching from creamed spinach to steamed spinach.? Also, taking a breather and worrying a bit less about? the Celts.? As for KG, who among us is convinced he?ll? ever be the same? ? Cold comfort to fill our hungry bellies.? See, I?m not? a Homer, not a Homer, not a Homer.? Egg From snoopy at celticsbeagle.net Sat Apr 18 16:07:03 2009 From: snoopy at celticsbeagle.net (Snoopy the Celtics Beagle) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 12:07:03 -0400 Subject: Celts in 6 In-Reply-To: <12248784.31E4.4E7A.BB0F.4878C2FD02BF@aol.com> References: <12248784.31E4.4E7A.BB0F.4878C2FD02BF@aol.com> Message-ID: <20090418160716.BE0DFE181C0@ignite.igtc.com> You're not a Homer until you predict a sweep, like me. Celtics in 4. Bring the brooms. But you're a Good Egg. :) At 11:04 AM 4/18/2009, eggcentric wrote: >...cut for space and relevance to my reply. >Still overall, piece of cake for the good guys. I envision >the Celts winning this series 4-2. > >Oh no - please, God, tell me that the initial/final stages >of Alzheimer's haven?t set in and that I?m not becoming >an overly optimistic Homer. >.....cut for space and relavance to my reply. >Cold comfort to fill our hungry bellies. See, I?m not >a Homer, not a Homer, not a Homer. > >Egg Snoopy the Celtics Beagle Please visit the Celtics Beagle Website From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sat Apr 18 16:15:15 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 09:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Celts in 5 Message-ID: <348165.40550.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> It's 20 min. til tipoff and the storms have knocked out my DTV.? Oh, well.? I think we'll get with the defense early and often.? I look for all-star play from both Rondo and Perk.? Davis and Powe are the keys, I think, along with Marbury.? If we get their best we'll steam into Cleveland.? Cheers, Gene (no seventh games) From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sat Apr 18 18:29:16 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:29:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: So far so good Message-ID: <415147.21324.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> 72 - 71 at the start of the 4th quarter. Here's hoping for a quick series, hopefully C's will win in 5. Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From douglas342 at aol.com Sat Apr 18 19:19:37 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:19:37 -0400 Subject: So far so good In-Reply-To: <415147.21324.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <415147.21324.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB8E71BFB80ED2-9C4-4E@webmail-dx17.sysops.aol.com> 97-97, 00:00 Stress? Never heard the word. Win or lose, being in this position without KG and Ray Allen makes me feel better. Spoiler: Ray's playing, but is 1-10, I think. Co-bonehead awards to Rondo and Noah. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Patterson To: Celtics Mailing List Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 11:29 am Subject: So far so good 72 - 71 at the start of the 4th quarter. Here's hoping for a quick series, hopefully C's will win in 5. Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From noah.evans at gmail.com Sat Apr 18 19:20:49 2009 From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 21:20:49 +0200 Subject: So far so good In-Reply-To: <415147.21324.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <415147.21324.qm@web63803.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <56a297000904181220l744f6a34j1137c4658073a81c@mail.gmail.com> I think we're snakebit this year. The effort is there, but *nothing* is going our way. Every time we get the lead there's always something, an untimely foul and unlucky bounce. As I write this PP just missed his second free throw. Win or lose I don't care though. I love the toughness all of our players have shown. Powe, Baby and Perkins especially. We've fundamentally changed the culture of this team. With or without KG. Noah On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Adam Patterson wrote: > 72 - 71 at the start of the 4th quarter. > > Here's hoping for a quick series, hopefully C's will win in 5. > > > > ? ? ?Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From snoopy at celticsbeagle.net Sat Apr 18 20:53:53 2009 From: snoopy at celticsbeagle.net (Snoopy the Celtics Beagle) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:53:53 -0400 Subject: Celts in 6 In-Reply-To: <20090418160716.BE0DFE181C0@ignite.igtc.com> References: <12248784.31E4.4E7A.BB0F.4878C2FD02BF@aol.com> <20090418160716.BE0DFE181C0@ignite.igtc.com> Message-ID: <20090418205406.9966AE181C0@ignite.igtc.com> All right, damnit. Celtics in *5*. $!@&#(&*^% free throw.... And for the love of Linus and Lucy can someone PLEASE get the ESPN announcers to Just Shut Up? I want Tommy! WAAH! At 12:07 PM 4/18/2009, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle wrote: >You're not a Homer until you predict a sweep, like me. > >Celtics in 4. Bring the brooms. > >But you're a Good Egg. :) > >At 11:04 AM 4/18/2009, eggcentric wrote: >>...cut for space and relevance to my reply. > >>Still overall, piece of cake for the good guys. I envision >>the Celts winning this series 4-2. >> >>Oh no - please, God, tell me that the initial/final stages >>of Alzheimer's haven?t set in and that I?m not becoming >>an overly optimistic Homer. > >>.....cut for space and relavance to my reply. > >>Cold comfort to fill our hungry bellies. See, I?m not >>a Homer, not a Homer, not a Homer. >> >>Egg > >Snoopy the Celtics Beagle >Please visit the Celtics Beagle >Website _______________________________________________ >The Boston Celtics Mailing List >celtics at igtc.com >http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From douglas342 at aol.com Sat Apr 18 23:48:22 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:48:22 -0400 Subject: Celts in 6 In-Reply-To: <20090418205406.9966AE181C0@ignite.igtc.com> References: <12248784.31E4.4E7A.BB0F.4878C2FD02BF@aol.com><20090418160716.BE0DFE181C0@ignite.igtc.com> <20090418205406.9966AE181C0@ignite.igtc.com> Message-ID: <8CB8E974AE8E976-1840-2FC5@WEBMAIL-DZ21.sysops.aol.com> I disagree. I liked the announcers, who offered expert insight in a relatively unbiased manner. The result sucked, but from what I saw (the second half minus a few) this was an incredibly entertaining game. Ray Allen, come back! -----Original Message----- From: Snoopy the Celtics Beagle To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Sat, 18 Apr 2009 1:53 pm Subject: Re: Celts in 6 All right, damnit.? ? Celtics in *5*.? ? $!@&#(&*^% free throw....? ? And for the love of Linus and Lucy can someone PLEASE get the ESPN announcers to Just Shut Up? I want Tommy! WAAH!? ? At 12:07 PM 4/18/2009, Snoopy the Celtics Beagle wrote:? ? >You're not a Homer until you predict a sweep, like me.? >? >Celtics in 4. Bring the brooms.? >? >But you're a Good Egg. :)? >? >At 11:04 AM 4/18/2009, eggcentric wrote:? >>...cut for space and relevance to my reply.? >? >>Still overall, piece of cake for the good guys. I envision? >>the Celts winning this series 4-2.? >>? >>Oh no - please, God, tell me that the initial/final stages? >>of Alzheimer's haven?t set in and that I?m not becoming? >>an overly optimistic Homer.? >? >>.....cut for space and relavance to my reply.? >? >>Cold comfort to fill our hungry bellies. See, I?m not? >>a Homer, not a Homer, not20a Homer.? >>? >>Egg? >? >Snoopy the Celtics Beagle? >Please visit the Celtics Beagle >Website _______________________________________________? >The Boston Celtics Mailing List? >celtics at igtc.com? >http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? ? _______________________________________________? The Boston Celtics Mailing List? celtics at igtc.com? http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 13:40:19 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 06:40:19 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What I saw Message-ID: <24595.93585.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I saw Rondo have a career game.? I saw Davis play very well.? I saw Perk have his moments and Pierce play a great third quarter.? House made some shots and Powe got his rebounds.? That's about it.? With all that, we could have prevailed if we kept our eye on the ball defensively.? We're not a great individual defensive squad--certainly without KG on the floor.? So, our only recourse is leadership on defense and substitutions to force defensive intensity.? Rondo singlehandedly made the offense go.? So, Doc should substitute quickly when Perk or Ray aren't performing defensively.? I would put Tony on their point as soon as he drives successfully.? Forget offense.? Forget Ray's feelings.? Put Tony on the point and Rondo on Gordon and smother them.? Push Noah out of the lane.? Put Baby on him if necessary to let him feel the full force of the law.? Get tough on defense and the Bulls will come to heel. Or, you could let the players sink or swim on their own motivation.? That should work, but we have real trouble with athletic teams.? It's because we're slow and/or old.? Only Davis and Rondo can keep up without great team defense.? The Bulls are successful because of youthful energy--like the Hawks last year--and we have to match that with Tony or with team defense.? I would try both. In some ways, the Bulls present a greater challenge than anyone in the East for us--save maybe the Hawks.? We can adjust to the slower, more methodical teams.? If we can muster the defense to win this one, our older/slower squad should have a more manageable task.? Cheers, Gene (still, no seventh games) From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 17:07:07 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:07:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What I saw In-Reply-To: <24595.93585.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <69677.46557.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Well said, Gene. Putting TA on Rose sounds like a good idea for Game 2, if he gets it going like he had it going on Saturday. And while the guys didn't come to play with the right amount of intensity, nor showed much interest in getting back in transition (how many times did Rondo penetrate, score, and fall down only to look up and see Rose streaking down the court for fast break buckets?), nor moved the ball well on offense, I felt that Doc was just as caught-with-his-pants-down. He made tactical errors down the stretch (subbing Ray Allen for Perk, instead of Big Baby with 31 seconds left--D. Rose proceeded to drive right to the rim. Baby made an attempt at the block, but Rose scored anyway), especially failing to adjust to Rose's career game. But it was a team-wide effort at sucking, so it's not all Doc's fault. Actually, to take a psychological angle, I thought the team was reeling from the loss of KG. I know, he's been out 2 months, but I think today was the first day the team actually realized what that meant. All along, it was assumed he'd be back for the playoffs. Playoffs come and KG's still out and I think it finally hit them collectively...we have to defend this title without KG. And everybody was a mentally crushed by it at the same time. Hell, KG looked like somebody gave him tranquilizers...he was looking like a zombie on the bench. He was definitely looking sorry for himself and it was a smart move to stay in the locker room at half time. His energy was NOT helping things out there. And that's why we looked so distracted and disinterested in the game....the team was hurting spiritually. But, going forward, I still see us prevailing, probably in six as Egg predicted. Rose will not have a better game all series, nor will Ray have another game as bad. But, with news today that KG is considering surgery 'sooner than later,' I think Celtic-nation can repeat after me: fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, FFFFUUUUCCCCKKKKKK!!!!!!!! That pretty much says it all. I'll keep cheering, of course, and yelling at the TV, because that's what I do, but we're going to need the miracle of miracles to successfully defend our title, as it's looking more and more like it's the Cavs/Lakers year...and as much as I hate those teams, I don't even know who I'd rather see win...seeing either of them win would piss me off. Injuries!!!! Looking forward to next season, I think 2010 sets up as the ultimate rubber match. KG will be healthy (he's facing arthoscopic surgery to remove bone spurs and probably to clean up whatever's causing the swelling in his knee, loose cartilige or some other debris probably--the recovery time's probably 2 months...which is more than enough to be ready for 09/10), Rondo will be All-Star ready, and I expect Danny to make a huge free agent splash (how about Rasheed Wallace?). Most importantly, we'll have renewed focus to topple who ever wins it this year, and hopefully won't be taking off games like we did this year. Ryan --- On Sun, 4/19/09, gene kirkpatrick wrote: > From: gene kirkpatrick > Subject: What I saw > To: "celtics" > Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 8:40 AM > I saw Rondo have a career game.? I saw Davis play very > well.? I saw Perk have his moments and Pierce play a great > third quarter.? House made some shots and Powe got his > rebounds.? That's about it.? With all that, we could > have prevailed if we kept our eye on the ball defensively.? > We're not a great individual defensive squad--certainly > without KG on the floor.? So, our only recourse is > leadership on defense and substitutions to force defensive > intensity.? Rondo singlehandedly made the offense go.? So, > Doc should substitute quickly when Perk or Ray aren't > performing defensively.? I would put Tony on their point as > soon as he drives successfully.? Forget offense.? Forget > Ray's feelings.? Put Tony on the point and Rondo on > Gordon and smother them.? Push Noah out of the lane.? Put > Baby on him if necessary to let him feel the full force of > the law.? Get tough on defense and the Bulls will come to > heel. > > Or, you could let the players sink or swim on their own > motivation.? That should work, but we have real trouble > with athletic teams.? It's because we're slow > and/or old.? Only Davis and Rondo can keep up without great > team defense.? The Bulls are successful because of youthful > energy--like the Hawks last year--and we have to match that > with Tony or with team defense.? I would try both. > > In some ways, the Bulls present a greater challenge than > anyone in the East for us--save maybe the Hawks.? We can > adjust to the slower, more methodical teams.? If we can > muster the defense to win this one, our older/slower squad > should have a more manageable task.? Cheers, Gene (still, > no seventh games) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From douglas342 at aol.com Sun Apr 19 17:38:39 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:38:39 -0400 Subject: What I saw In-Reply-To: <69677.46557.qm@web65609.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB8F2CCF784CBF-1BCC-4909@WEBMAIL-MY17.sysops.aol.com> The present will take care of itself. This is going to be entertaining, and you will see some of the Cs make big career statements in these playoffs. Tony Allen may be playing for his career. But let's look at next season, as to which I have some questions: 1. Is 2009-10 the last season when we can expect HOF-level work from KG and Ray? (I figure Pierce has two more peak years, maybe 3.) 2. What's the Cs contract situation? At some point, doesn't the paymaster have to deal with Rondo? Perk? Davis? 3. Given the need to re-sign those three (and I ignore Tony and Powe, for no rational reason), can we land a Rasheed-level FA? Do we want to? He has a lot of miles on him, and do we want to lock up a big three or four year contract on him? Do listen to Ray and trade Ray? (Think about it...) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan W To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:07 am Subject: Re: What I saw Well said, Gene. Putting TA on Rose sounds like a good idea for Game 2, if he gets it going like he had it going on Saturday. And while the guys didn't come to play with the right amount of intensity, nor showed much interest in getting back in transition (how many times did Rondo penetrate, score, and fall down only to look up and see Rose streaking down the court for fast break buckets?), nor moved the ball well on offense, I felt that Doc was just as caught-with-his-pants-down. He made tactical errors down the stretch (subbing Ray Allen for Perk, instead of Big Baby with 31 seconds left--D. Rose proceeded to drive right to the rim. Baby made an attempt at the block, but Rose scored anyway), especially failing to adjust to Rose's career game. But it was a team-wide effort at sucking, so it's not all Doc's fault. Actually, to take a psychological angle, I thought the team was reeling from the loss of KG. I know, he's been out 2 months, but I think today was the first day the team actually realized what that meant. All along, it was assumed he'd be back for the playoffs. Playoffs come and KG's still out and I think it finally hit them collectively...we have to defend this title without KG. And everybody was a mentally crushed by it at the same time. Hell, KG looked like somebody gave him tranquilizers...he was looking like a zombie on the bench. He was definitely looking sorry for himself and it was a smart move to stay in the locker room at half time. His energy was NOT helping things out there. And that's why we looked so distracted and disinterested in the game....the team was hurting spiritually. But, going forward, I still see us prevailing, probably in six as Egg 0Apredicted. Rose will not have a better game all series, nor will Ray have another game as bad. But, with news today that KG is considering surgery 'sooner than later,' I think Celtic-nation can repeat after me: fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, FFFFUUUUCCCCKKKKKK!!!!!!!! That pretty much says it all. I'll keep cheering, of course, and yelling at the TV, because that's what I do, but we're going to need the miracle of miracles to successfully defend our title, as it's looking more and more like it's the Cavs/Lakers year...and as much as I hate those teams, I don't even know who I'd rather see win...seeing either of them win would piss me off. Injuries!!!! Looking forward to next season, I think 2010 sets up as the ultimate rubber match. KG will be healthy (he's facing arthoscopic surgery to remove bone spurs and probably to clean up whatever's causing the swelling in his knee, loose cartilige or some other debris probably--the recovery time's probably 2 months...which is more than enough to be ready for 09/10), Rondo will be All-Star ready, and I expect Danny to make a huge free agent splash (how about Rasheed Wallace?). Most importantly, we'll have renewed focus to topple who ever wins it this year, and hopefully won't be taking off games like we did this year. Ryan --- On Sun, 4/19/09, gene kirkpatrick wrote: > From: gene kirkpatrick > Subject: What I saw > To: "celtics" > Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 8:40 AM > I saw Rondo have a career game.? I saw Davis play very > well.? I saw Perk have his moments and Pierce play a great > third quarter.? House made some shots and Powe got his > rebounds.? That's about it.? With all that, we could > have prevailed if we kept our eye on the ball defensively.? > We're not a great individual defensive squad--certainly > without KG on the floor.? So, our only recourse is > leadership on defense and substitutions to force defensive > intensity.? Rondo singlehandedly made the offense go.? So, > Doc should substitute quickly when Perk or Ray aren't > performing defensively.? I would put Tony on their point as > soon as he drives successfully.? Forget offense.? Forget > Ray's feelings.? Put Tony on the point and Rondo on > Gordon and smother them.? Push Noah out of the lane.? Put > Baby on him if necessary to let him feel the full force of > the law.? Get tough on defense and the Bulls will come to > heel. > > Or, you could let the players sink or swim on their own > motivation.? That should work, but we have real trouble > with athletic teams.? It's because we're slow > and/or old.? Only Davis and Rondo can keep up without great > team defense.? The Bulls are successful because of youthful > energy--lik e the Hawks last year--and we have to match that > with Tony or with team defense.? I would try both. > > In some ways, the Bulls present a greater challenge than > anyone in the East for us--save maybe the Hawks.? We can > adjust to the slower, more methodical teams.? If we can > muster the defense to win this one, our older/slower squad > should have a more manageable task.? Cheers, Gene (still, > no seventh games) > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Sun Apr 19 20:34:28 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 13:34:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pierce Message-ID: <663690.52914.qm@web63805.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I?d just like to highlight that Pierce had a massive game in Philly last Tuesday. Hopefully we?ll be seeing more of that type of basketball from him in the next few games. Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Sun Apr 19 22:21:18 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 15:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: What I saw In-Reply-To: <8CB8F2CCF784CBF-1BCC-4909@WEBMAIL-MY17.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <142296.19914.qm@web65602.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Hey Douglas, check out my responses to your questions below.... --- On Sun, 4/19/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: What I saw > To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 12:38 PM > The present will take care of itself. This is going to be > entertaining, and you will see some of the Cs make big > career > statements in these playoffs. Tony Allen may be playing > for his career. Well, I hope we at least get out of the first round. If we don't, I'll be sickened and there's nothing entertaining about that... > > But let's look at next season, as to which I have some > questions: > > 1. Is 2009-10 the last season when we can expect HOF-level > work from > KG and Ray? (I figure Pierce has two more peak years, > maybe 3.) Frankly, I expect KG to come back 100% healthy. He's facing bone spur surgery on his knee (4-6 week recovery time), plus possible surgery to remove loose cartiledge in his knee (probably puts an extra 2 weeks on recovery time). He should be ready to go for training camp, and be poised to have a better year than he had this season (in terms of numbers, and hopefully in terms of games played). Ray seems to be ageless. He keeps himself in great shape and as long as Rondo is there to set him up for open 3s, he'll be fine. Pierce's game has never relied on athleticism, so as he ages and loses his athleticism, I think his maturity and knowledge of the game should more than make up for anything he might lose in the next 3 years. I think the trio have at least 3 years of high level functionality. I also project that Rondo's emergence as an All-Star will lengthen their careers, since the offense will increasingly go through him and relegate the Big 3 more towards being finishers and not creaters (finishing being easier than creating and less taxing on one's body). > > 2. What's the Cs contract situation? At some point, > doesn't the > paymaster have to deal with Rondo? Perk? Davis? Powe and Davis are restricted free agents this summer. We can match any contract they are offered. With the economy the way it is, and with the numerous other free agents who will be available (it's a really good class), I don't think Davis or Powe will get too many offers. It's my opinion that we can keep both if we want to...it's yet to be determined if we want to...I could see Danny doing a sign-and-trade for Davis or Powe, depending on what's available in return and the makeup of the rest of the team. Rondo is eligible for an extension and I'd assume the Cs work something out with him in September... Perk still has 2 or 3 years left on his original contract extension, which is an absolute bargain (4 million a year!). > > 3. Given the need to re-sign those three (and I ignore > Tony and Powe, > for no rational reason), can we land a Rasheed-level FA? > Do we want > to? He has a lot of miles on him, and do we want to lock > up a big > three or four year contract on him? Do listen to Ray and > trade Ray? > (Think about it...) Well, I'm operating under the assumption that this summer will be a buyer's market. There's a ton of good free agents, but I think the economy will force alot of teams out of the free agent market, meaning that a lot of free agents aren't going to get what they want...and there should be some deals out there. Remember, Danny sat out last summer's free agent market (which was a seller's market) with an eye towards this summer. I know we're going to make a splash...there are going to be too many discounts available not to, not to mention the fact that the Big 3 is getting old and there isn't much time to maximize their golden years. Posey would have been lucky this summer to get half of what he got last summer. Guys like Shawn Marion, who are free agents, will be lucky to get what Pose got last summer. We're going to be poised to make a huge splash, and make that splash with just a two-year MLE contract (2 years, 11 million or something like that). Guys like Wallace, or Kidd, or whomever will jump at that deal, as they will be coming to a championship level team with 4 potential All-Stars... I think we'll explore trading Ray (depending on how the free agent market shakes out and depending on how much we could get back), but I really doubt we do. He fits too well, he's too good in the locker room and he's a great influence on Rondo in particular. I'd also worry how it might upset our chemistry, our Ubuntu, and the mindset of Paul and KG. Of course, if it's a great trade, you might have to gamble and do it...but frankly, I'm not bullish on there being a great trade out there for Ray. We'll see, I guess. A lot might depend on how far we go in the playoffs too. We'll see. Ryan > From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Mon Apr 20 07:06:31 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Pierce Message-ID: <20334.87932.qm@web63801.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Here are the *team* highlights from the Philly game: http://www.nba.com/video/games/sixers/2009/04/14/nba_bos_phi_0020801215_recap.nba/index.html Go Celtics! :) ________________________________ From: Adam Patterson To: Celtics Mailing List Sent: Sunday, 19 April, 2009 9:34:28 PM Subject: Pierce I?d just like to highlight that Pierce had a massive game in Philly last Tuesday. Hopefully we?ll be seeing more of that type of basketball from him in the next few games. ________________________________ Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now.. The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From douglas342 at aol.com Tue Apr 21 15:05:22 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:05:22 -0400 Subject: Well, THAT was intense Message-ID: <8CB90A9BA1B7DBF-15C4-C06@WEBMAIL-MZ36.sysops.aol.com> What is it about these early-round series and this team? Even though he is on the other team, it's fun seeing a guy like Gordon get into a zone; Ray did his own thing, which saved the game, maybe the series, and maybe the season. Can anyone who's into such things post stats for our starting 4s? How do Baby and KG stack up statistically? (Statistically only, folks.) When I was a kid, my father would buy me tickets to playoff games. He quit going at some point - he said he was too old and simply couldn't take the pressure and excitement any more. Now that I'm up there, I understand totally. From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 15:26:06 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 08:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Well, THAT was intense Message-ID: <694320.11335.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Totally, indeed!? I returned to my "tape it, watch a movie?and check the score?later" routine.? I don't like yelling at our guys for each little miscue and the extended stress of a close game.? Plus, we won by my not watching it live.? I'm in hopes that we will play better defense on the road.? Can Gordon do that again?? I doubt it.? Wow, what a great game, but let's go for a few dull, grind it out defensive wins, eh?? Cheers, Gene --- On Tue, 4/21/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: From: douglas342 at aol.com Subject: Well, THAT was intense To: celtics at igtc.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 10:05 AM What is it about these early-round series and this team? Even though he is on the other team, it's fun seeing a guy like Gordon get into a zone; Ray did his own thing, which saved the game, maybe the series, and maybe the season. Can anyone who's into such things post stats for our starting 4s?? How do Baby and KG stack up statistically?? (Statistically only, folks.) When I was a kid, my father would buy me tickets to playoff games.? He quit going at some point - he said he was too old and simply couldn't take the pressure and excitement any more.? Now that I'm up there, I understand totally. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Tue Apr 21 17:50:57 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:50:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Well, THAT was intense Message-ID: <216666.2077.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> The Yahoo and ESPN websites have good stats these days: Big Baby http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4313/splits;_ylt=AjItbKaAK_lk3gOz5huZWtyqPaB4 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=3200 Kevin Garnett http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3007/splits;_ylt=AjItbKaAK_lk3gOz5huZWtwOPKB4 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=261 Celtics team http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/bos/stats;_ylt=AuRx9wDR7IoSkf2GRUm7CmN20bYF http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=bos So, for this month Big Baby is averaging 14.6 points per game, 5.1 rebounds per game and 0.9 blocks per game whereas KG's season averages are 15.8ppg, 8.5rpg and 1.2bpg respectively. --- gene kirkpatrick wrote: Totally, indeed! I returned to my "tape it, watch a movie and check the score later" routine. I don't like yelling at our guys for each little miscue and the extended stress of a close game. Plus, we won by my not watching it live. I'm in hopes that we will play better defense on the road. Can Gordon do that again? I doubt it. Wow, what a great game, but let's go for a few dull, grind it out defensive wins, eh? Cheers, Gene --- On Tue, 4/21/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: From: douglas342 at aol.com Subject: Well, THAT was intense To: celtics at igtc.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 10:05 AM What is it about these early-round series and this team? Even though he is on the other team, it's fun seeing a guy like Gordon get into a zone; Ray did his own thing, which saved the game, maybe the series, and maybe the season. Can anyone who's into such things post stats for our starting 4s? How do Baby and KG stack up statistically? (Statistically only, folks.) When I was a kid, my father would buy me tickets to playoff games. He quit going at some point - he said he was too old and simply couldn't take the pressure and excitement any more. Now that I'm up there, I understand totally. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From callmebogie at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 18:11:54 2009 From: callmebogie at yahoo.com (Michael Gooen) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 11:11:54 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Leon!!! Message-ID: <159635.27104.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Just read the horrible news about Leon tearing his ACL. I'm not a GM and don't feel the least bit ashamed about being sentimental as a fan. Leon is one of my all-time favorite Celtics. I pray he hasn't played his last game in green (either for health reasons or contract reasons). Michael Gooen From douglas342 at aol.com Tue Apr 21 18:32:51 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:32:51 -0400 Subject: Well, THAT was intense In-Reply-To: <216666.2077.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <216666.2077.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB90C6B6AA9BAE-664-43C@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com> Thanks, Adam. I'd say Baby's doing a pretty good job as sub for KG. Of course, he isn't KG. -----Original Message----- From: Adam Patterson To: Celtics Mailing List Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:50 am Subject: Re: Well, THAT was intense The Yahoo and ESPN websites have good stats these days: Big Baby http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4313/splits;_ylt=AjItbKaAK_lk3gOz5huZWtyqPaB4 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=3200 Kevin Garnett http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3007/splits;_ylt=AjItbKaAK_lk3gOz5huZWtwOPKB4 http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=261 Celtics team http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/bos/stats;_ylt=AuRx9wDR7IoSkf2GRUm7CmN20bYF http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=bos So, for this month Big Baby is averaging 14.6 points per game, 5.1 rebounds per game and 0.9 blocks per game whereas KG's season averages are 15.8ppg, 8.5rpg and 1.2bpg respectively. --- gene kirkpatrick wrote: Totally, indeed! I returned to my "tape it, watch a movie and check the score later" routine. I don't like yelling at our guys for each little miscue and the extended stress of a close game. Plus, we won by my not watching it live. I'm in hopes that we will play better defense on the road. Can Gordon do that again? I doubt it. Wow, what a great game, but let's go for a few dull, grind it out defensive wins, eh? Cheers, Gene --- On Tue, 4/21/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: From: douglas342 at aol.com Subject: Well, THAT was intense To: celtics at igtc.com Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 10:05 AM What is it about these early-round series and this team? Even though he is on the other team, it's fun seeing a guy like Gordon get into a zone; Ray did his own thing, which saved the game, maybe the series, and maybe the season. Can anyone who's into such things post stats for our starting 4s? How do Baby and KG stack up statistically? (Statistically only, folks.) When I was a kid, my father would buy me tickets to playoff games. He quit going at some point - he said he was too old and simply couldn't take the pressure and excitement any more. Now that I'm up there, I understand totally. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pmaymin at gmail.com Tue Apr 21 18:57:42 2009 From: pmaymin at gmail.com (Phil Maymin) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 14:57:42 -0400 Subject: Well, THAT was intense In-Reply-To: <8CB90C6B6AA9BAE-664-43C@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com> References: <216666.2077.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8CB90C6B6AA9BAE-664-43C@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8c863cee0904211157t1b52d02p5bebf7ee93b061ad@mail.gmail.com> For a slightly different conclusion, there is this stats-based blog: KG is one of the most productive players in the game, and big baby one of the LEAST (I was surprised too). http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/the-bottom-10-and-one-big-reason-why-the-celtics-are-having-problems/ On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:32 PM, wrote: > Thanks, Adam. I'd say Baby's doing a pretty good job as sub for KG. > > Of course, he isn't KG. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Patterson > To: Celtics Mailing List > Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 10:50 am > Subject: Re: Well, THAT was intense > > > > The Yahoo and ESPN websites have good stats these days: > > > Big Baby > > http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4313/splits;_ylt=AjItbKaAK_lk3gOz5huZWtyqPaB4 > http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/splits?playerId=3200 > > > Kevin Garnett > > http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3007/splits;_ylt=AjItbKaAK_lk3gOz5huZWtwOPKB4 > http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/stats?playerId=261 > > > Celtics team > > http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/bos/stats;_ylt=AuRx9wDR7IoSkf2GRUm7CmN20bYF > http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/teams/stats?team=bos > > > So, for this month Big Baby is averaging 14.6 points per game, 5.1 rebounds > per > game and 0.9 blocks per game whereas KG's season averages are 15.8ppg, > 8.5rpg > and 1.2bpg respectively. > > > > --- gene kirkpatrick wrote: > > Totally, indeed! I returned to my "tape it, watch a movie and check the > score > later" routine. I don't like yelling at our guys for each little miscue > and the > extended stress of a close game. Plus, we won by my not watching it live. > I'm > in hopes that we will play better defense on the road. Can Gordon do that > again? I doubt it. Wow, what a great game, but let's go for a few dull, > grind > it out defensive wins, eh? Cheers, Gene > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > > > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Well, THAT was intense > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 10:05 AM > > > What is it about these early-round series and this team? > > Even though he is on the other team, it's fun seeing a guy like Gordon get > into > a zone; Ray did his own thing, which saved the game, maybe the series, and > maybe > the season. > > Can anyone who's into such things post stats for our starting 4s? How do > Baby > and KG stack up statistically? (Statistically only, folks.) > > When I was a kid, my father would buy me tickets to playoff games. He quit > going at some point - he said he was too old and simply couldn't take the > pressure and excitement any more. Now that I'm up there, I understand > totally. > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, > Easier. > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From jaims at pldtdsl.net Tue Apr 21 18:59:41 2009 From: jaims at pldtdsl.net (Jaims) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:59:41 +0800 Subject: Leon!!! In-Reply-To: <159635.27104.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <159635.27104.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c9c2b3$53b846d0$fb28d470$@net> that's also a heartbreaker for me... why does it always happen to the good guys? sucks! -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gooen Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:12 AM To: Celtics List Subject: Leon!!! Just read the horrible news about Leon tearing his ACL. I'm not a GM and don't feel the least bit ashamed about being sentimental as a fan. Leon is one of my all-time favorite Celtics. I pray he hasn't played his last game in green (either for health reasons or contract reasons). Michael Gooen _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From bosox18 at charter.net Tue Apr 21 19:46:46 2009 From: bosox18 at charter.net (Steve Ouellette) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:46:46 -0400 Subject: Leon!!! In-Reply-To: <000001c9c2b3$53b846d0$fb28d470$@net> References: <159635.27104.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com> <000001c9c2b3$53b846d0$fb28d470$@net> Message-ID: <4E01D317DA614743A2F27F1C54087758@StevePC> Well that just sucks. I've been firmly on the Leon bandwagon for a while, and still maintain that he's more valuable than the vastly improved Big Baby (John Hollinger had an interesting column on this recently, about filling KG's shoes). At his size, if he loses a little lift and explosiveness, it could ruin his career. C's longshot chances take a further dive. I don't think they can make it through the postseason playing six people, and Doc seems scared of Mikki and Marbury (not necessarily without reason). Steve O -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Jaims Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:00 PM To: callmebogie at yahoo.com; 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' Subject: RE: Leon!!! that's also a heartbreaker for me... why does it always happen to the good guys? sucks! -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gooen Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:12 AM To: Celtics List Subject: Leon!!! Just read the horrible news about Leon tearing his ACL. I'm not a GM and don't feel the least bit ashamed about being sentimental as a fan. Leon is one of my all-time favorite Celtics. I pray he hasn't played his last game in green (either for health reasons or contract reasons). Michael Gooen _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From kmalo17 at verizon.net Tue Apr 21 20:06:53 2009 From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:06:53 -0400 Subject: Lies, damned lies, and statistics (was Re: Well, THAT was intense) In-Reply-To: <8c863cee0904211157t1b52d02p5bebf7ee93b061ad@mail.gmail.com > References: <216666.2077.qm@web63806.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <8CB90C6B6AA9BAE-664-43C@webmail-db03.sysops.aol.com> <8c863cee0904211157t1b52d02p5bebf7ee93b061ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0KIG00962VWMGDMG@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> At 02:57 PM 4/21/2009, Phil Maymin wrote: >For a slightly different conclusion, there is this stats-based blog: >KG is one of the most productive players in the game, and big baby one of >the LEAST (I was surprised too). > >http://dberri.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/the-bottom-10-and-one-big-reason-why-the-celtics-are-having-problems/ Why? it's only one definition of productive / unproductive. There are a zillion others you can set up to say something different. It's never the stats themselves, it's how you use them, and as the saying goes, I can squeeze them until they'll scream anything I want them to. Look at what he's basing it on and tell me what his chosen metrics really have to do with Big Baby's positive productivity on the court. Of courese he scores low. Shooting is probably based on entire season and Baby's shooting % only picked up when he stopped trying to shoot inside and getting stuffed, and switched to the midrange jumpers, while it still took him a while to settle in and get comfortable with taking and making them regularly. Yes, it's a legit part of his productivity now but it underwent a major shift that way during the season vs being part of it all season. Rebounds. He doesn't get as many rebounds as you'd like, but in part because he's usually outside the paint on offense. While he doesn't have the lift inside, which also affects his defensive boards. And let's face it, he goes after them, but he doesn't GO AFTER them in the same way Leon does, which is why Leon's rebounding is so much better on a per minute basis even if the flat number difference doesn't look that big a difference. And also helps other people get boards because there's always a Celtics hand in there tapping away so long as Leon is on the court. Leon gets just shy of a rebound more per game in about 4 min less per game, but on a per 48 min, gets 4.5 more. This is the one productivity stat with some legitimacy, especially given position. I can always tell which one is on the floor between Glen and Leon without even seeing the player simply by the flow of the action on the boards. But even then he's hardly bottom of the league. Steals. Not his game. Not any PF game and the one who has it as a significant part of his game is the exception rather than the one without gaudy stats being a productivity problem. In fact I'd almost worry about a PF with a lot of steals because I wonder how many points get scored from his being off his man who is unlikely to be a major ball handler while going after those steals. TO? shrug, again I think that early season jitters tilt the stats. He makes TO, but he's not a turnover machine. He makes about half as many as TO, who can be a legit TO machine, in more MPG. Baby's production comes from other things like carving space, his surprisingly improved although still far from wowing me defense, his setting thunderous picks, that outside shot providing a key outlet that can prevent a shot clock based turnover even if he doesn't actually hit the shot, his nimble feet letting him make that bulk that he uses well a factor all over the court, etc. etc. He also for a young player is not afraid of the spotlight and tends to do better under pressure, including on semi-weaknesses like rebounding. That's no small thing, especially for this team, given our injuries. I'm certainly not one of his biggest fans, but he's genuinely impressed my by legitimately working on improving his game vs just getting by with size and athleticism as he always has before and tried to do last year. I didn't think he was capable of the self discipline to work that hard and I'm glad to be proven wrong. From douglas342 at aol.com Tue Apr 21 20:09:45 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:09:45 -0400 Subject: Leon!!! In-Reply-To: <4E01D317DA614743A2F27F1C54087758@StevePC> References: <159635.27104.qm@web56807.mail.re3.yahoo.com><000001c9c2b3$53b846d0$fb28d470$@net> <4E01D317DA614743A2F27F1C54087758@StevePC> Message-ID: <8CB90D43FC7CE05-14F8-83F@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> When I watched the game last night from mid-2nd quarter on and didn't know about Powe, it hit me nonethless what an ordeal these playoffs are. Bodies are banging and flying around; Rondo can't come out of the game, says Doc, because his ankle would get worse. The Cs now have lost KG, Scal, and Powe (maybe Scal can dress, but does anyone expect him to play? And for you who do, do you expect productivity?) and we're only 2 games into this postseason that could have as many as 26 more games? And try this: find a nice empty room with a wood floor. Run for about 20', jump into the air and let yourself fall to the floor, landing anywhere but on your feet. Repeat. Repeat again. Congrats - you made it through the first quarter. Is Antoine available? -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ouellette To: jaims at pldtdsl.net; 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:46 pm Subject: RE: Leon!!! Well that just sucks. I've been firmly on the Leon bandwagon for a while, and still maintain that he's more valuable than the vastly improved Big Baby (John Hollinger had an interesting column on this recently, about filling KG's shoes). At his size, if he loses a little lift and explosiveness, it could ruin his career. C's longshot chances take a further dive. I don't think they can make it through the postseason playing six people, and Doc seems scared of Mikki and Marbury (not necessarily without reason). Steve O -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Jaims Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:00 PM To: callmebogie at yahoo.com; 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' Subject: RE: Leon!!! that's also a heartbreaker for me... why does it always happen to the good guys? sucks! -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gooen Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:12 AM To: Celtics List Subject: Leon!!! Just read the horrible news about Leon tearing his ACL. I'm not a GM and don't feel the least bit ashamed about being sentimental as a fan. Leon is one of my all-time favorite Celtics. I pray he hasn't played his last game in green (either for health reasons or contract reasons). Michael Gooen _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 20:33:33 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:33:33 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Leon!!! In-Reply-To: <8CB90D43FC7CE05-14F8-83F@mblk-d12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <460403.94893.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Good post, Douglas. I admit it, when I heard about Leon, my next thought was about Antoine. Hell, he's better than Mikki Moore at this point... I still haven't given up hope. It seems like to Bulls are overachieving right now...maybe they'll come down to earth. Pierce definitely needs to step up, Ray Allen, Baby, Perk, need to keep on doing what they're doing, Rondo needs a speedy recovery, and Doc needs to play TA. I mean, in a series where we give up 105 and 115 points in two games, in a series where two 6'3" guards explode for 36 and 42 points, in a series where we can't defend in transition, you'd think your best perimeter defender would play more than 4 seconds. TA shut down Gordon just as he was getting hot in Game 1...and then he doesn't play in game 2. Bullshit Doc. Ryan --- On Tue, 4/21/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: Leon!!! > To: bosox18 at charter.net, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 3:09 PM > When I watched the game last night from mid-2nd quarter on > and didn't know about Powe, it hit me nonethless what an > ordeal these playoffs are. Bodies are banging and flying > around; Rondo can't come out of the game, says Doc, > because his ankle would get worse. The Cs now have lost KG, > Scal, and Powe (maybe Scal can dress, but does anyone expect > him to play? And for you who do, do you expect > productivity?) and we're only 2 games into this > postseason that could have as many as 26 more games? > > And try this: find a nice empty room with a wood floor. > Run for about 20', jump into the air and let yourself > fall to the floor, landing anywhere but on your feet. > Repeat. Repeat again. Congrats - you made it through the > first quarter. > > Is Antoine available? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Ouellette > To: jaims at pldtdsl.net; 'The Boston Celtics Mailing > List' > Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:46 pm > Subject: RE: Leon!!! > > > > Well that just sucks. I've been firmly on the Leon > bandwagon for a while, > and still maintain that he's more valuable than the > vastly improved Big Baby > (John Hollinger had an interesting column on this recently, > about filling > KG's shoes). At his size, if he loses a little lift and > explosiveness, it > could ruin his career. > > C's longshot chances take a further dive. I don't > think they can make it > through the postseason playing six people, and Doc seems > scared of Mikki and > Marbury (not necessarily without reason). > > Steve O > > -----Original Message----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf > Of Jaims > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:00 PM > To: callmebogie at yahoo.com; 'The Boston Celtics Mailing > List' > Subject: RE: Leon!!! > > that's also a heartbreaker for me... why does it always > happen to the good > guys? sucks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf > Of Michael Gooen > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:12 AM > To: Celtics List > Subject: Leon!!! > > > Just read the horrible news about Leon tearing his ACL. > > I'm not a GM and don't feel the least bit ashamed > about being sentimental as > a fan. Leon is one of my all-time favorite Celtics. I > pray he hasn't > played his last game in green (either for health reasons or > contract > reasons). > > Michael Gooen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From kmalo17 at verizon.net Tue Apr 21 20:42:03 2009 From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:42:03 -0400 Subject: Need something other than beer to get you through these close playoff games? Message-ID: <0KIG006GWXJA11NR@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> http://www.mymms.com/nba/selling_page.asp I suppose the only surprise is that they hadn't thought of it before... From pmm at igtc.com Tue Apr 21 20:48:32 2009 From: pmm at igtc.com (Paul M. Moriarty) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 13:48:32 -0700 Subject: Need something other than beer to get you through these close playoff games? In-Reply-To: <0KIG006GWXJA11NR@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KIG006GWXJA11NR@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <80F88981-6BC4-40E7-B731-A770C90FBC0D@igtc.com> At $28/lb I can think of a lot of other things I'd rather eat! - Paul - On Apr 21, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Kim Malo wrote: > http://www.mymms.com/nba/selling_page.asp > I suppose the only surprise is that they hadn't thought of it > before... > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From douglas342 at aol.com Tue Apr 21 21:14:00 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:14:00 -0400 Subject: Leon!!! In-Reply-To: <460403.94893.qm@web65606.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB90DD391F649A-494-562@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> Ryan, I won't lay this on Doc. He brought us #17 last year, and but for injuries, we'd be well on our way to #18. I am very proud of this team. I still expect them to get past the Bulls, but will I be able to be on them against Orlandelphia? Clevebron? Probably not, but it's going to be one hell of a run, and I hope that when the end comes, it's like it was in game one of this series - missing a gamewinner, rather than slinking out the trade entrance like the Lakers last spring. Isn't there a Tennyson poem that fits in here? It ends like this: When can their glory fade? O the wild charge they made! All the world wonder'd. Honour the charge they made! Honour the Light Brigade, Noble six hundred! -----Original Message----- From: Ryan W To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 1:33 pm Subject: Re: Leon!!! Good post, Douglas. I admit it, when I heard about Leon, my next thought was about Antoine. Hell, he's better than Mikki Moore at this point... I still haven't given up hope. It seems like to Bulls are overachieving right now...maybe they'll come down to earth. Pierce definitely needs to step up, Ray Allen, Baby, Perk, need to keep on doing what they're doing, Rondo needs a speedy recovery, and Doc needs to play TA. I mean, in a series where we give up 105 and 115 points in two games, in a series where two 6'3" guards explode for 36 and 42 points, in a series where we can't defend in transition, you'd think your best perimeter defender would play more than 4 seconds. TA shut down Gordon just as he was getting hot in Game 1...and then he doesn't play in game 2. Bullshit Doc. Ryan --- On Tue, 4/21/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: Leon!!! > To: bosox18 at charter.net, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 3:09 PM > When I watched the game last night from mid-2nd quarter on > and didn't know about Powe, it hit me nonethless what an > ordeal these playoffs are. Bodies are banging and flying > around; Rondo can't come out of the game, says Doc, > because his ankle would get worse. The Cs now have lost KG, > Scal, and Powe (maybe Scal can dress, but does anyone expect > him to play? And for you who do, do you expect > productivity?) and we're only 2 games into this > postseason that could have as many as 26 more games? > > And try this: find a nice empty room with a wood floor. > Run for about 20', jump into the air and let yourself > fall to the floor, landing anywhere but on your feet. > Repeat. Repeat again. Congrats - you made it through the > first quarter. > > Is Antoine available? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Ouellette > To: jaims at pldtdsl.net; 'The Boston Celtics Mailing > List' > Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:46 pm > Subject: RE: Leon!!! > > > > Well that just sucks. I've been firmly on the Leon > bandwagon for a while, > and still maintain that he's more valuable than the > vastly improved Big Baby > (John Hollinger had an interesting column on this recently, > about filling > KG's shoes). At his size, if he loses a little lift and > explosiveness, it > could ruin his career. > > C's longshot chances take a further dive. I don't > think they can make it > through the postseason playing six people, and Doc seems > scared of Mikki and > Marbury (not necessarily without reason). > > Steve O > > -----Original Message----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf > Of Jaims > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:00 PM > To: callmebogie at yahoo.com; 'The Boston Celtics Mailing > List' > Subject: RE: Leon!!! > > that's also a heartbreaker for me... why does it always > happen to the good > guys? sucks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf > Of Michael Gooen > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:12 AM > To: Celtics List > Subject: Leon!!! > > > Just read the horrible news about Leon tearing his ACL. > > I'm not a GM and don't feel the least bit ashamed > about being sentimental as > a fan. Leon is one of my all-time favorite Celtics. I > pray he hasn't > played his last game in green (either for health reasons or > contract > reasons). > > Michael Gooen > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From kmalo17 at verizon.net Tue Apr 21 21:38:12 2009 From: kmalo17 at verizon.net (Kim Malo) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:38:12 -0400 Subject: Need something other than beer to get you through these close playoff games? In-Reply-To: <80F88981-6BC4-40E7-B731-A770C90FBC0D@igtc.com> References: <0KIG006GWXJA11NR@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> <80F88981-6BC4-40E7-B731-A770C90FBC0D@igtc.com> Message-ID: <0KIH00BSE04ZHW03@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Well you didn't think their target audience was those with brains to go with their money did you? Any more than the souvenirs shops and concession stands at the Gahden.... Still, you're right, I'd rather use it as down payment on a bottle of Maker's Mark instead. Kim At 04:48 PM 4/21/2009, Paul M. Moriarty wrote: >At $28/lb I can think of a lot of other things I'd rather eat! > >- Paul - > >On Apr 21, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Kim Malo wrote: > >>http://www.mymms.com/nba/selling_page.asp >>I suppose the only surprise is that they hadn't thought of it >>before... From douglas342 at aol.com Tue Apr 21 21:47:39 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 17:47:39 -0400 Subject: Need something other than beer to get you through these close playoff games? In-Reply-To: <0KIH00BSE04ZHW03@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KIG006GWXJA11NR@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net><80F88981-6BC4-40E7-B731-A770C90FBC0D@igtc.com> <0KIH00BSE04ZHW03@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <8CB90E1ED1AA143-494-74F@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> I'm not so sure. I have a fellow employee who loves M&Ms and the Lakers. She keeps a jar of M&Ms near her desk. a pile of Celtics M&Ms might be just the ticket... -----Original Message----- From: Kim Malo To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List ; The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 2:38 pm Subject: Re: Need something other than beer to get you through these close playoff games? Well you didn't think their target audience was those with brains to go with their money did you? Any more than the souvenirs shops and concession stands at the Gahden.... Still, you're right, I'd rather use it as down payment on a bottle of Maker's Mark instead.? Kim? ? At 04:48 PM 4/21/2009, Paul M. Moriarty wrote:? >At $28/lb I can think of a lot of other things I'd rather eat!? >? >- Paul -? >? >On Apr 21, 2009, at 1:42 PM, Kim Malo wrote:? >? >>http://www.mymms.com/nba/selling_page.asp? >>I suppose the only surprise is that they hadn't thought of it? >>before...? ? _______________________________________________? The Boston Celtics Mailing List? celtics at igtc.com? http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics? From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Tue Apr 21 22:00:09 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Leon!!! In-Reply-To: <8CB90DD391F649A-494-562@mblk-d38.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <618201.92559.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Doc's done great for two years running, but it baffles me what TA gets no playing time. We're tied in this series because we can't defend on the perimeter and yet our best perimeter defender doesn't get minutes. Insanity! TA is a tough matchup on the offensive end as well. He could easily post up Rose, Gordon, or Hinrich, so it's not like we can't play him because he can't produce points. With Leon's injury, we've become a perimeter oriented team....personally, I'd rather we mix that up and play somebody who can get to the hole and guard the perimeter to boot. Like I said before, I am missing something? Why no TA? Ryan --- On Tue, 4/21/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: Leon!!! > To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 4:14 PM > Ryan, I won't lay this on Doc. He brought us #17 last > year, and but > for injuries, we'd be well on our way to #18. I am > very proud of this > team. I still expect them to get past the Bulls, but will > I be able to > be on them against Orlandelphia? Clevebron? Probably not, > but it's > going to be one hell of a run, and I hope that when the end > comes, it's > like it was in game one of this series - missing a > gamewinner, rather > than slinking out the trade entrance like the Lakers last > spring. > > Isn't there a Tennyson poem that fits in here? It ends > like this: > > > When can their glory fade? > O the wild charge they made! > All the world wonder'd. > Honour the charge they made! > Honour the Light Brigade, > Noble six hundred! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan W > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 1:33 pm > Subject: Re: Leon!!! > > > > Good post, Douglas. I admit it, when I heard about Leon, > my next > thought was > about Antoine. Hell, he's better than Mikki Moore at > this point... > > I still haven't given up hope. It seems like to Bulls > are > overachieving right > now...maybe they'll come down to earth. Pierce > definitely needs to > step up, Ray > Allen, Baby, Perk, need to keep on doing what they're > doing, Rondo > needs a > speedy recovery, and Doc needs to play TA. I mean, in a > series where > we give up > 105 and 115 points in two games, in a series where two > 6'3" guards > explode for > 36 and 42 points, in a series where we can't defend in > transition, > you'd think > your best perimeter defender would play more than 4 > seconds. TA shut > down > Gordon just as he was getting hot in Game 1...and then he > doesn't play > in game > 2. Bullshit Doc. > > Ryan > > > --- On Tue, 4/21/09, douglas342 at aol.com > wrote: > > > From: douglas342 at aol.com > > Subject: Re: Leon!!! > > To: bosox18 at charter.net, celtics at igtc.com > > Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 3:09 PM > > When I watched the game last night from mid-2nd > quarter on > > and didn't know about Powe, it hit me nonethless > what an > > ordeal these playoffs are. Bodies are banging and > flying > > around; Rondo can't come out of the game, says > Doc, > > because his ankle would get worse. The Cs now have > lost KG, > > Scal, and Powe (maybe Scal can dress, but does anyone > expect > > him to play? And for you who do, do you expect > > productivity?) and we're only 2 games into this > > postseason that could have as many as 26 more games? > > > > And try this: find a nice empty room with a wood > floor. > > Run for about 20', jump into the air and let > yourself > > fall to the floor, landing anywhere but on your feet. > > Repeat. Repeat again. Congrats - you made it through > the > > first quarter. > > > > Is Antoine available? > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Steve Ouellette > > To: jaims at pldtdsl.net; 'The Boston Celtics Mailing > > List' > > Sent: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 12:46 pm > > Subject: RE: Leon!!! > > > > > > > > Well that just sucks. I've been firmly on the Leon > > bandwagon for a while, > > and still maintain that he's more valuable than > the > > vastly improved Big Baby > > (John Hollinger had an interesting column on this > recently, > > about filling > > KG's shoes). At his size, if he loses a little > lift and > > explosiveness, it > > could ruin his career. > > > > C's longshot chances take a further dive. I > don't > > think they can make it > > through the postseason playing six people, and Doc > seems > > scared of Mikki and > > Marbury (not necessarily without reason). > > > > Steve O > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf > > Of Jaims > > Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:00 PM > > To: callmebogie at yahoo.com; 'The Boston Celtics > Mailing > > List' > > Subject: RE: Leon!!! > > > > that's also a heartbreaker for me... why does it > always > > happen to the good > > guys? sucks! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com > > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf > > Of Michael Gooen > > Sent: Wednesday, April 22, 2009 2:12 AM > > To: Celtics List > > Subject: Leon!!! > > > > > > Just read the horrible news about Leon tearing his > ACL. > > > > I'm not a GM and don't feel the least bit > ashamed > > about being sentimental as > > a fan. Leon is one of my all-time favorite Celtics. > I > > pray he hasn't > > played his last game in green (either for health > reasons or > > contract > > reasons). > > > > Michael Gooen > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From BDodgers at aol.com Wed Apr 22 03:52:27 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:52:27 EDT Subject: Loss of Powe increases pressure on Moore Message-ID: Chris Mannix > INSIDE THE NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/chris_mannix/archive/) Loss of Powe increases pressure on Moore to turn back clock on career Story Highlights Loss of Leon Powe the latest blow to an injury-ravaged Celtics front line Powe expected to have surgery for torn knee ligament in next few months Mikki Moore has not provided Celtics production they need in thin frontcourt WALTHAM, Mass --You have to wonder if the basketball gods are conspiring against the Celtics this season. First, _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3007) , one of the NBA's foremost ironmen -- KG has played in all 82 games three times in his 14-year career and in at least 76 games 10 times -- went down with a potentially season-ending knee injury. Then it was _Brian Scalabrine_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3544) taking a place on the inactive list after absorbing one too many concussions. The latest blow came on Tuesday, when Celtics coach Doc Rivers told reporters that _Leon Powe_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4177) would miss the rest of the season after tearing his ACL in the second quarter of Boston's win over Chicago on Monday. "Obviously a tough break," said Rivers. "He just does so many right things. He played three minutes with a torn ACL. That says so much about Leon." If the camel's back wasn't already broken in Boston, this might be the straw to do it. Powe's regular season numbers weren't gaudy: in 70 games, Powe averaged 7.7 points and 4.9 rebounds. But with Garnett sidelined and _Glen Davis_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4313) struggling to defend the pick-and-roll in Game 1, there was a groundswell of support for Powe, a physical defender and the team's No. 2 offensive rebounder in the regular season, to play a more expanded role. With Powe looking at reconstructive surgery in the next few months, Boston's front line is now paper thin. Three players -- _Kendrick Perkins_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3730) , Davis and _Mikki Moore_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3308) -- will be asked to check a Chicago front line that is young, athletic and, at least through two games, has shown no fear of the defending champions. "Mikki, Perk and [Davis], they have to be on the floor," said Rivers. "Silly fouls, we have to take them out. Mikki had a couple last night but he is getting better. He is so used to playing hard and free and running around. Here, you have to play hard and disciplined. In football terms, you have to run your route. That's our team, defensively. His intent is great. It's his execution that needs improvement." Execution ... and maybe a few other things, too. Much was made of the Celtics' signing of Moore in February, mainly because a lot of people thought they were getting Moore, circa 2007. Back then Moore led the NBA in field-goal percentage and was a staple in the playoff-bound _New Jersey Nets_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/nets) ' starting lineup. Instead, Moore (4.8 points, 4.4 rebounds and 4.0 fouls in 19 minutes per game with Boston) has played like the inconsistent, defensively-challenged player Sacramento dumped just 1 ? years into a partially guaranteed three-year, $18-million contract. Boston can't afford to carry that player on the floor. They need Moore, the most athletic big they have available, to run the floor with _Tyrus Thomas_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4132) and challenge _Joakim Noah_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4287) around the rim. They need him to take the defensive pressure off of _Paul Pierce_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3253) , _Ray Allen_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3080) and _Rajon Rondo_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4149) by knocking down the 15-foot jumper that was a major part of his repertoire in New Jersey. It's the only way this Celtics team can salvage what is looking more and more like a lost season. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221621490x1201450102/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooter421NO62) From snoopy at celticsbeagle.net Wed Apr 22 05:32:43 2009 From: snoopy at celticsbeagle.net (Snoopy the Celtics Beagle) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 01:32:43 -0400 Subject: Need something other than beer to get you through these close playoff games? In-Reply-To: <0KIG006GWXJA11NR@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0KIG006GWXJA11NR@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <20090422053249.26F1AE19096@ignite.igtc.com> ooooo, chocolate!!!! At 04:42 PM 4/21/2009, Kim Malo wrote: >http://www.mymms.com/nba/selling_page.asp >I suppose the only surprise is that they hadn't thought of it before... From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Wed Apr 22 06:10:50 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 23:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Need something other than beer to get you through these close playoff games? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <143108.79592.qm@web63807.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hmmmm.... beer... http://th01.deviantart.com/fs17/300W/i/2007/204/8/c/Homer_Simpson_by_Makotron.jpg :) ________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 16:42:03 -0400 From: Kim Malo Subject: Need something other than beer to get you through these close playoff games? To: Cs eList Message-ID: <0KIG006GWXJA11NR at vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed http://www.mymms.com/nba/selling_page.asp I suppose the only surprise is that they hadn't thought of it before... ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics End of The Boston Celtics Mailing List Digest, Vol 17, Issue 69 *************************************************************** Enjoy a better web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now. From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 13:37:41 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 06:37:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: agreed on Tony Message-ID: <799481.19429.qm@web39605.mail.mud.yahoo.com> no surprise that I favor putting Tony on Ben Gordon.? Even Doc talked up his perimeter defense when activating him; a puzzlement for sure.? I think Doc felt he had to keep Ray on the floor to reassure him and hope his offense would get going.? If Ray had a decent first quarter, it would allow for Tony to get his minutes and see what he could do.? Gordon also?ate House up.? Surely someone, Danny?, will remind Doc what Tony can do.? We need one in Chi town.? Go Mikki!? Who ever thought?? Cheers, Gene From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Wed Apr 22 23:56:29 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2009 16:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Subject: on Stephon Message-ID: <533170.58951.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I just read Bob Ryan's column and disagreed on one major item.? I think Stephon is playing a positive role.? His big void is the lack of scoring, which is just a confidence issue.? But his ability to get the ball into the lane and find the open man is his necessary contribution.? He sets up shooters well; it's not his fault if they aren't hitting.? He also is playing effective defense, much better than House.? So, I don't see him as hurting us.? If Pruitt had come on as hoped, it would be different, but I want to see Stephon out there as #2 point.? Cheers and welcome back Scal.? Gene From BDodgers at aol.com Fri Apr 24 15:02:16 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:02:16 EDT Subject: Reports: Tony Allen target of threat Message-ID: Reports: Tony Allen target of threat ESPN.com news services Security around _Tony Allen_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?playerId=2367) was increased Thursday at United Center after a Chicago man issued a death threat against the _Boston Celtics_ (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/clubhouse?team=bos) guard, The Boston Globe and Yahoo! Sports reported on Thursday. The Celtics and Bulls had extra security around their benches during Game 3 of the first-round playoff series to keep an eye on Allen. A source said the added security presence was a precautionary measure, according to the Globe. Allen, who is from Chicago, played nine minutes on Thursday night and did not score in the team's 107-86 win against the Bulls. Sources told the Globe that Allen has been receiving threats in Chicago for some time. Allen also was threatened prior to a March 17 game at Chicago. He didn't make that trip, however, because of a thumb injury. "Is that what you're going to write about? Is that what you're going to write about?" Allen said when asked about the threats, then walked away, the Globe reported. "It's a private team matter," Celtics president Rich Gotham told Yahoo! Sports. "It's just not something that we are going to talk about." Celtics coach Doc Rivers told the Globe: "It's a team matter. We will keep it in house." The NBA also declined comment to Yahoo! Sports. In April 2007, Allen was found not guilty of aggravated battery in a Chicago court. That charge was connected to a fight in August 2005 outside a Chicago restaurant. **************The Average US Credit Score is 692. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221421330x1201417418/aol?redi r=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Ap rilAvgfooter424NO62) From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Fri Apr 24 18:18:07 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:18:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: front court Message-ID: <190234.12825.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I think it's *huge* that Scal is suiting up and actually getting a few minutes. He is way better than Moore, and really opens up the floor.? How cool was that to see his first shot back be a made 3??? Moore is so frustrating to watch - he is a master of inefficiency. All that jumping and swatting and reaching and he only gets his target about 20% of the time (rebounds mostly, sometimes missed putbacks). Though he did get some nice blocks last night.? Oi!? I would love to see him do better, but not expecting that so am thrilled to have Scal back in uniform.?? I would rather see Bill Walker play center!? He jumps higher and gets more done while he's up there. And, how timely would it be for Marbury to really step up?? I just knew we weren't going to win without Leon, then he came back and blew out his knee.? So we are toast.? Unless Stephon ups his game, and Scal gets some minutes. What's up w/Ray? He has seemed out of sorts since the game against Cleveland when he got into it w/Varejao. Loosen up, Ray!? Get that fluidity back. Speaking of Leon, a world of condolences to the young man!? He has such heart - I fully expect the Cs management to DTRT and tender him an offer. Please, let's crush the Bulls the rest of the way and make this a short series. We need to reload the F/C in the offseason. Who I like of the front court players who are unrestricted FAs this summer: Sheldon Williams Anderson Varajo Carlos Boozer Hedo Turkoglu Stromile Swift Mehmet Okur Plus they have that young center from Turkey they drafted last year. Ellie From patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au Fri Apr 24 19:10:09 2009 From: patterson.adam at yahoo.com.au (Adam Patterson) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 12:10:09 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Games 4 & 5 Message-ID: <476723.4420.qm@web63802.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Well here I am in Sydney after a 20 hour flight from London. This holiday has been planned for months and I'm so glad it's here. Anyway, great to see the Celtics have a dominant win in Chicago. That was probably what most of us were expecting in this series and hopefully Games 4 & 5 will be similar. Cheers! Adam The new Internet Explorer 8 optimised for Yahoo!7: Faster, Safer, Easier. From martind42 at cox.net Fri Apr 24 19:50:00 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 15:50:00 -0400 Subject: front court In-Reply-To: <190234.12825.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090424155000.GE2EN.35006.imail@eastrmwml33> Of that list, I'd salivate at getting Carlos Boozer. Don't know what it would take (Ray Allen's contract for sure), but that would be a coup. ---- Ellie Cutler wrote: > I think it's *huge* that Scal is suiting up and actually getting a few minutes. He is way better than Moore, and really opens up the floor.? How cool was that to see his first shot back be a made 3??? Moore is so frustrating to watch - he is a master of inefficiency. All that jumping and swatting and reaching and he only gets his target about 20% of the time (rebounds mostly, sometimes missed putbacks). Though he did get some nice blocks last night.? Oi!? I would love to see him do better, but not expecting that so am thrilled to have Scal back in uniform.?? I would rather see Bill Walker play center!? He jumps higher and gets more done while he's up there. > > And, how timely would it be for Marbury to really step up?? I just knew we weren't going to win without Leon, then he came back and blew out his knee.? So we are toast.? Unless Stephon ups his game, and Scal gets some minutes. > > What's up w/Ray? He has seemed out of sorts since the game against Cleveland when he got into it w/Varejao. Loosen up, Ray!? Get that fluidity back. > > Speaking of Leon, a world of condolences to the young man!? He has such heart - I fully expect the Cs management to DTRT and tender him an offer. > > Please, let's crush the Bulls the rest of the way and make this a short series. > > We need to reload the F/C in the offseason. > > Who I like of the front court players who are unrestricted FAs this summer: > Sheldon Williams > Anderson Varajo > Carlos Boozer > Hedo Turkoglu > Stromile Swift > Mehmet Okur > > Plus they have that young center from Turkey they drafted last year. > > Ellie > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From douglas342 at aol.com Fri Apr 24 20:08:02 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 16:08:02 -0400 Subject: front court In-Reply-To: <190234.12825.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <190234.12825.qm@web63107.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB932F81D8F10B-388-56E@webmail-da17.sysops.aol.com> Read this from Ellie and did a double-take - did someone sneak in an old post about Waltuh?? -----Original Message----- From: Ellie Cutler To: celtics at igtc.com Sent: Fri, 24 Apr 2009 11:18 am Subject: front court Moore is so frustrating to watch - he is a master of inefficiency. All that jumping and swatting and reaching and he only gets his target about 20% of the time (rebounds mostly, sometimes missed putbacks). Though he did get some nice blocks last night.? Oi!? I would love to see him do better, From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Sat Apr 25 12:52:43 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (Way Of The Ray) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:52:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How Soon After Tony Allen's Basketball Career Is Over Does He End Up In Jail? Message-ID: <379375.54250.qm@web110103.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'll say between 2 - 5 years. I'm just wondering, if they are going to be able trade him after the season? Even with an expiring contract, he's just such bad news on -- tiny basketball IQ, can't shoot, turnover prone, always injured -- and off -- arrests, riot, gang-banging, criminal associations with killers -- the court, that how many NBA teams are going to want to put up with such histrionics? Best, for the Celtics to just cut their losses and ditch him after the playoffs. Ray From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sat Apr 25 13:17:43 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 06:17:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: How Soon After Tony Allen's Basketball Career Is Over Does He End Up In Jail? Message-ID: <3858.23662.qm@web39603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I disagree on almost all accounts.? Most importantly, if you look closely, Tony has cleaned up his off-court act.? He likely is a low IQ guy, so he makes bad decisions that reflect his difficult early life.? But his BB IQ is high enough and his skills are NBA level, especially his defense, sense of ball movement, and slashing offense which provide him with a good FG percentage.? Certainly his career could have been much more productive (and evident to all) had he avoided the bad crowd a few years ago and avoided injury, but he's valuable as one of our top ten players now and cheap.? I think we'll keep him, though I expect Bill Walker to be our next mid-sized hope (knees willing).? Cheers, Gene --- On Sat, 4/25/09, Way Of The Ray wrote: From: Way Of The Ray Subject: How Soon After Tony Allen's Basketball Career Is Over Does He End Up In Jail? To: "Celtics Stuff" , "Celtics Are Idiots List" Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 7:52 AM I'll say between 2 - 5 years. I'm just wondering, if they are going to be able trade him after the season? Even with an expiring contract, he's just such bad news on -- tiny basketball IQ, can't shoot, turnover prone, always injured -- and off -- arrests, riot, gang-banging, criminal associations with killers -- the court, that how many NBA teams are going to want to put up with such histrionics? Best, for the Celtics to just cut their losses and ditch him after the playoffs. Ray ? ? ? _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From stevebknight at yahoo.com Sat Apr 25 15:15:28 2009 From: stevebknight at yahoo.com (steve knight) Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2009 08:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: tony In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <562997.79396.qm@web37403.mail.mud.yahoo.com> couldn't agree more, ryan. i think he could add alot on d but also as an attacker when pp is out. i know he does some bonehead things, but he also can wreak havoc in a good way. sometimes at the very same time. ;-) i think we'll need him along the way. hoping he steps up when that time comes. if not, i think we may see tony in another uniform next year. Message: 1 Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2009 15:00:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan W Subject: Re: Leon!!! To: celtics at igtc.com Message-ID: <618201.92559.qm at web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Doc's done great for two years running, but it baffles me what TA gets no playing time. We're tied in this series because we can't defend on the perimeter and yet our best perimeter defender doesn't get minutes. Insanity! TA is a tough matchup on the offensive end as well. He could easily post up Rose, Gordon, or Hinrich, so it's not like we can't play him because he can't produce points. With Leon's injury, we've become a perimeter oriented team....personally, I'd rather we mix that up and play somebody who can get to the hole and guard the perimeter to boot. Like I said before, I am missing something? Why no TA? Ryan From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Sun Apr 26 13:22:11 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 06:22:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: on the other foot Message-ID: <429932.64150.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> With the big 3 we have Garnett (knee) and Allen (ankles), but with the rest we have Rondo (ankles), Perkins (shoulder), Powe (knee), Allen (knees and ankles), Walker (knees), Scal (head), not to mention Davis (a lot of weight on knees & ankles).? Well, other teams have injury issues, but our future is built on healthy hopes.? Cheers, Gene From eml at vnatale.com Sun Apr 26 19:44:11 2009 From: eml at vnatale.com (Vinny Natale) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 15:44:11 -0400 Subject: How In-Reply-To: <429932.64150.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <429932.64150.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090426194841.7E5A9E181C6@ignite.igtc.com> How in the world do they allow Ray Allen so much space to take that shot??!! Vinny From noah.evans at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 19:58:44 2009 From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:58:44 +0200 Subject: How In-Reply-To: <20090426194841.7E5A9E181C6@ignite.igtc.com> References: <429932.64150.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090426194841.7E5A9E181C6@ignite.igtc.com> Message-ID: <56a297000904261258t32f6642ew7d963cab6523fe37@mail.gmail.com> I'm having a nervous breakdown after Scab's foul. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Vinny Natale wrote: > How in the world do they allow Ray Allen so much space to take that shot??!! > > Vinny > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From guiseppemiguel at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 19:59:29 2009 From: guiseppemiguel at gmail.com (Joe Curley) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 19:59:29 +0000 Subject: How In-Reply-To: <56a297000904261258t32f6642ew7d963cab6523fe37@mail.gmail.com> References: <429932.64150.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com><20090426194841.7E5A9E181C6@ignite.igtc.com><56a297000904261258t32f6642ew7d963cab6523fe37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1774496618-1240775990-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854974951-@bxe1296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Such a crap call. Hinrich was fading into the corner. -----Original Message----- From: Noah Evans Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:58:44 To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Subject: Re: How I'm having a nervous breakdown after Scab's foul. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Vinny Natale wrote: > How in the world do they allow Ray Allen so much space to take that shot??!! > > Vinny > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From noah.evans at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 20:05:33 2009 From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:05:33 +0200 Subject: How In-Reply-To: <1774496618-1240775990-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854974951-@bxe1296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <429932.64150.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090426194841.7E5A9E181C6@ignite.igtc.com> <56a297000904261258t32f6642ew7d963cab6523fe37@mail.gmail.com> <1774496618-1240775990-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854974951-@bxe1296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <56a297000904261305j357b2b19r31ea8a6fa381a34@mail.gmail.com> Urgh... thank goodness the bulls have choked. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Joe Curley wrote: > Such a crap call. Hinrich was fading into the corner. > -----Original Message----- > From: Noah Evans > > Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:58:44 > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List > Subject: Re: How > > > I'm having a nervous breakdown after Scab's foul. > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Vinny Natale wrote: >> How in the world do they allow Ray Allen so much space to take that shot??!! >> >> Vinny >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> celtics at igtc.com >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >> > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From noah.evans at gmail.com Sun Apr 26 20:09:04 2009 From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:09:04 +0200 Subject: How In-Reply-To: <56a297000904261305j357b2b19r31ea8a6fa381a34@mail.gmail.com> References: <429932.64150.qm@web39604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <20090426194841.7E5A9E181C6@ignite.igtc.com> <56a297000904261258t32f6642ew7d963cab6523fe37@mail.gmail.com> <1774496618-1240775990-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1854974951-@bxe1296.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <56a297000904261305j357b2b19r31ea8a6fa381a34@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <56a297000904261309x177cbd04ra06fe8636cbf8311@mail.gmail.com> I'm having a breakdown again. On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Noah Evans wrote: > Urgh... thank goodness the bulls have choked. > > On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Joe Curley wrote: >> Such a crap call. Hinrich was fading into the corner. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Noah Evans >> >> Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 21:58:44 >> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> Subject: Re: How >> >> >> I'm having a nervous breakdown after Scab's foul. >> >> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 9:44 PM, Vinny Natale wrote: >>> How in the world do they allow Ray Allen so much space to take that shot??!! >>> >>> Vinny >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >>> celtics at igtc.com >>> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> celtics at igtc.com >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The Boston Celtics Mailing List >> celtics at igtc.com >> http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics >> > From Douglas342 at aol.com Mon Apr 27 02:53:00 2009 From: Douglas342 at aol.com (Douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2009 22:53:00 EDT Subject: How Message-ID: Shades of last year. At least the Cs held home court. And Philly is giving Orlando a run. **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220814855x1201410739/aol?red ir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=A prilfooter426NO62) From wayoftheray at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 12:34:01 2009 From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com (wayoftheray at yahoo.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 05:34:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Part I: WAKEY WAKEY, PEOPLE: Celtics Frontcourt Trashed Message-ID: <468763.60498.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, I can't believe that people are so short-sighted as to be babbling on about this meaningless Bulls series, when the Celtics frontcourt has been decimated by injuries and losses and needs a serious effort of rebuilding to be undertaken by Danny Ainge, or whomever succeeds him, in the offseason.? James Posey - Oh, the club's frontcourt was listing to port from the beginning with the loss of Posey and never did replace him, just worked around his absence. The Celtics need a 6-8 and above combo forward, who can guard everyone from shooting guards to power forwards and to keep Pierce from being worn down. Kevin Garnett - It's impossible to quantify the extent of his injury, until they scope out his knee. It may be as the Celtics have said, or much worse, perhaps even resulting in microfracture surgery, which would not see KG return to form until his second year after the procedure, if everything went well. For others like Chris Webber, the surgery was a career-ender. Due to excessive wear and tear on his knees, this could certainly be the beginning of the end for Garnett, and it would be foolish to expect a full season from him next year. Leon Powe? -?Four operations on the same knee for the cursed Powe, the anti-Tony Allen. He will likely return sometime next season, but just don't expect him to exhibit the same level of effectiveness until 2010-2011, aka the "Lockout Year". In other words, don't count on Leon to contribute anything meaningful for a long while.? ?? Paul Pierce - The Captain is either tired or injured. Either way, he will need some relief next season, and the prospect of injury and missing future games is certainly going to increase for Pierce in the next two years. Perkins - Although defensively improved, he is what he is -- foul-prone, not an offensive threat -- and certainly less effective without Garnett around. An upgrade at center would be a good start in the Celtics front court revitalization. Glen Davis - He has developed into a better player and perhaps may require the full (apparently diminishing) MLE to re-sign him. However, for the full MLE, there are certainly better options than Davis including Artest,? Wilcox and Wallace. If the Celtics are going to overpay someone, one of those three is the far better choice. Brian Scalabrine - One concussion away from his career being over, his most valuable asset is his expiring contract. He really needs to be dealt away after the season. Tony Allen - Part time SF Allen, must exit stage soon. Like Scalabrine, his most valauable contribution is his expiring contract. So, the Celtics need a major transfusion of youth and talent into their frontcourt. The Big Question: How does Ainge or his successor accomplish this rebuilding of the Celtics frontcourt. Ray From Eric at ericalbert.net Tue Apr 28 13:52:51 2009 From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:52:51 -0400 Subject: Part I: WAKEY WAKEY, PEOPLE: Celtics Frontcourt Trashed In-Reply-To: <468763.60498.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <468763.60498.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090428135257.64D26E181C7@ignite.igtc.com> >wayoftheray at yahoo.com wrote: > >So, the Celtics need a major transfusion of youth and talent into their frontcourt. > >The Big Question: How does Ainge or his successor accomplish this rebuilding of the Celtics frontcourt. Why stop at the front court? Rondo's ankles are clearly a problem, and it's hard to believe the rest of his body won't soon be perennially injured, given the pounding he takes each day. We need a new point guard. In fact, every guy on the Celtics is flawed. I say we dump them all and replace them with perfect players. -- Eric From douglas342 at aol.com Tue Apr 28 15:16:47 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 11:16:47 -0400 Subject: Part I: WAKEY WAKEY, PEOPLE: Celtics Frontcourt Trashed In-Reply-To: <468763.60498.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <468763.60498.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB962B71FFDEA2-10F0-317@WEBMAIL-MZ29.sysops.aol.com> I think this is the first time I have ever replied to a Ray post.? I tend to find his posts toxic; I sometimes felt the same way about Eggy, but she has a sly grin that can't help but win me over. Ray has made several valid points, but they are so broad as to be meaningless as a whole:? he points out that our players are young, old, injured, and healthy, and our "future" in in doubt.? Well, so is Cleveland's:? James is getting older, and who knows what his situation will be in four years or more?? Why isn't Cleveland management doing more? Garnett:? valid point, Ray.? We don't know all about Garnett's injury; combine that with the "it isn't the age, it's the miles" argument and there IS a legitimate issue about how much effective time he has left.? I was in a debate with Ryan about this earlier.? I assume KG has at least one good year left, Ryan says more like 3.? But I doubt that we can move him at any point in the next three years, so that's the end of that discussion. Powe:? has probably played his last game as a Celtic, which is too bad.? Injuries happen.? It's a nasty world.? By the way, I understand he's a free agent.? Does this mean that me may not get signed at all next year and be without a paycheck during rehab?? I assume the Cs pay every dime of his surgery and rehab. Pierce:? yep, he's gettting up there too, but has at least 2-3 more years.? Of course, he could blow out a knee, too, and what's Celtic management doing about THAT?? Rondo could get hit by a bus.? What's management doing about THAT? Perk:? is what he is, and can only get better, even if he isn't Shaq or even Elvin Hayes.? Kim once likened him to Wes Unsled, and I can live with that.? Sure, it would be nice to upgrade him to Russell or Dwight Howard.? It would be nice to upgrade Eddie House to Oscar Robertson, too. I could go on, but the point is that looking at a team like this has to depend on where and when you want to look.? Those of us who "babble on about this meaningless series" are fans of the 2008-09 Celtics.? This is what's on our plates right now.? There's a Chicago game tonight.? What happens in 2012-13 is not really on my mind right now.? Hell, what happens in 2009-10 isn't really on my mind right now. You know what?? In 2014, half this squad will be out of the league.? In 2020, all of them will be.? What is Celtic management doing about THAT, huh? Sheesh. -----Original Message----- From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com To: Celtics Stuff ; Celtics Are Idiots List Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 5:34 am Subject: Part I: WAKEY WAKEY, PEOPLE: Celtics Frontcourt Trashed Well, I can't believe that people are so short-sighted as to be babbling on about this meaningless Bulls series, when the Celtics frontcourt has been decimated by injuries and losses and needs a serious effort of rebuilding to be undertaken by Danny Ainge, or whomever succeeds him, in the offseason.? James Posey - Oh, the club's frontcourt was listing to port from the beginning with the loss of Posey and never did replace him, just worked around his absence. The Celtics need a 6-8 and above combo forward, who can guard everyone from shooting guards to power forwards and to keep Pierce from being worn down. Kevin Garnett - It's impossible to quantify the extent of his injury, until they scope out his knee. It may be as the Celtics have said, or much worse, perhaps even resulting in microfracture surgery, which would not see KG return to form until his second year after the procedure, if everything went well. For others like Chris Webber, the surgery was a career-ender. Due to excessive wear and tear on his knees, this could certainly be the beginning of the end for Garnett, and it would be foolish to expect a full season from him next year. Leon Powe? -?Four operations on the same knee for the cursed Powe, the anti-Tony Allen. He will likely return sometime next season, but just don't expect him to exhibit the same level of effectiveness until 2010-2011, aka the "Lockout Year". In other words, don't count on Leon to contribute anything meaningful for a long while.? ?? Paul Pierce - The Captain is either tired or injured. Either way, he will need some relief next season, and the prospect of injury and missing future games is certainly going to increase for Pierce in the next two years. Perkins - Although defensively improved, he is what he is -- foul-prone, not an offensive threat -- and certainly less effective without Garnett around. An upgrade at center would be a good start in the Celtics front court revitalization. Glen Davis - He has developed into a better player and perhaps may require the full (apparently diminishing) MLE to re-sign him. However, for the full MLE, there are certainly better options than Davis including Artest,? Wilcox and Wallace. If the Celtics are going to overpay someone, one of those three is the far better choice. Brian Scalabrine - One concussion away from his career being over, his most valuable asset is his expiring contract. He really needs to be dealt away after the season. Tony Allen - Part time SF Allen, must exit stage soon. Like Scalabrine, his most valauable contribution is his expiring contract. So, the Celtics need a major transfusion of youth and talent into their frontcourt. The Big Question: How does Ainge or his successor accomplish this rebuilding of the Celtics frontcourt. Ray _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From noah.evans at gmail.com Tue Apr 28 15:42:21 2009 From: noah.evans at gmail.com (Noah Evans) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:42:21 +0200 Subject: Part I: WAKEY WAKEY, PEOPLE: Celtics Frontcourt Trashed In-Reply-To: <8CB962B71FFDEA2-10F0-317@WEBMAIL-MZ29.sysops.aol.com> References: <468763.60498.qm@web110102.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <8CB962B71FFDEA2-10F0-317@WEBMAIL-MZ29.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <56a297000904280842r8132bd4r3f8af023964b81d2@mail.gmail.com> Ray is being a doofus. Players come and go, but winning culture determines if a team will succeed or not as its current cast of players retire and are replaced. That's why players like Chauncey and KG are so important. They instill the proper attitude and way of behaving in the rest of their respective teams. KG's influence is why Rondo has gone from a pain in the butt not living up to his talent to arguably the most effective point guard in the eastern conference. Now that Rondo "gets it", the Celtics will be fine, no matter what players we assemble around him. He will play KG's role to the next generation of Celtics players. Perk as well if he stays healthy. Whether or not KG ever suits up for the C's again, trading for him was the best move the C's have made in the past 20 years. Noah On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:16 PM, wrote: > I think this is the first time I have ever replied to a Ray post.? I tend to find his posts toxic; I sometimes felt the same way about Eggy, but she has a sly grin that can't help but win me over. > > Ray has made several valid points, but they are so broad as to be meaningless as a whole:? he points out that our players are young, old, injured, and healthy, and our "future" in in doubt.? Well, so is Cleveland's:? James is getting older, and who knows what his situation will be in four years or more?? Why isn't Cleveland management doing more? > > Garnett:? valid point, Ray.? We don't know all about Garnett's injury; combine that with the "it isn't the age, it's the miles" argument and there IS a legitimate issue about how much effective time he has left.? I was in a debate with Ryan about this earlier.? I assume KG has at least one good year left, Ryan says more like 3.? But I doubt that we can move him at any point in the next three years, so that's the end of that discussion. > > Powe:? has probably played his last game as a Celtic, which is too bad.? Injuries happen.? It's a nasty world.? By the way, I understand he's a free agent.? Does this mean that me may not get signed at all next year and be without a paycheck during rehab?? I assume the Cs pay every dime of his surgery and rehab. > > Pierce:? yep, he's gettting up there too, but has at least 2-3 more years.? Of course, he could blow out a knee, too, and what's Celtic management doing about THAT?? Rondo could get hit by a bus.? What's management doing about THAT? > > Perk:? is what he is, and can only get better, even if he isn't Shaq or even Elvin Hayes.? Kim once likened him to Wes Unsled, and I can live with that.? Sure, it would be nice to upgrade him to Russell or Dwight Howard.? It would be nice to upgrade Eddie House to Oscar Robertson, too. > > I could go on, but the point is that looking at a team like this has to depend on where and when you want to look.? Those of us who "babble on about this meaningless series" are fans of the 2008-09 Celtics.? This is what's on our plates right now.? There's a Chicago game tonight.? What happens in 2012-13 is not really on my mind right now.? Hell, what happens in 2009-10 isn't really on my mind right now. > > You know what?? In 2014, half this squad will be out of the league.? In 2020, all of them will be.? What is Celtic management doing about THAT, huh? > > Sheesh. > > -----Original Message----- > From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com > To: Celtics Stuff ; Celtics Are Idiots List > Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 5:34 am > Subject: Part I: WAKEY WAKEY, PEOPLE: Celtics Frontcourt Trashed > > > > > Well, I can't believe that people are so short-sighted as to be babbling on > about this meaningless Bulls series, when the Celtics frontcourt has been > decimated by injuries and losses and needs a serious effort of rebuilding to be > undertaken by Danny Ainge, or whomever succeeds him, in the offseason.? > > James Posey - Oh, the club's frontcourt was listing to port from the beginning > with the loss of Posey and never did replace him, just worked around his > absence. The Celtics need a 6-8 and above combo forward, who can guard everyone > from shooting guards to power forwards and to keep Pierce from being worn down. > > Kevin Garnett - It's impossible to quantify the extent of his injury, until they > scope out his knee. It may be as the Celtics have said, or much worse, perhaps > even resulting in microfracture surgery, which would not see KG return to form > until his second year after the procedure, if everything went well. For others > like Chris Webber, the surgery was a career-ender. Due to excessive wear and > tear on his knees, this could certainly be the beginning of the end for Garnett, > and it would be foolish > to expect a full season from him next year. > > Leon Powe? -?Four operations on the same knee for the cursed Powe, the anti-Tony > Allen. He will likely return sometime next season, but just don't expect him to > exhibit the same level of effectiveness until 2010-2011, aka the "Lockout Year". > In other words, don't count on Leon > to contribute anything meaningful for a long while.? ?? > > Paul Pierce - The Captain is either tired or injured. Either way, he will need > some relief next season, and the prospect of injury and missing future games is > certainly going to increase for Pierce in the next two years. > > Perkins - Although defensively improved, he is what he is -- foul-prone, not an > offensive threat -- and certainly less effective without Garnett around. An > upgrade at center would be a good start in the Celtics front court > revitalization. > > Glen Davis - He has developed into a better player and perhaps may > ?require the > full (apparently diminishing) MLE to re-sign him. However, for the full MLE, > there are certainly better options than Davis including Artest,? Wilcox and > Wallace. If the Celtics are going to overpay someone, one of those three is the > far better choice. > > Brian Scalabrine - One concussion away from his career being over, his most > valuable asset is his expiring contract. He really needs to be dealt away after > the season. > > Tony Allen - Part time SF Allen, must exit stage soon. Like Scalabrine, his most > valauable contribution is his expiring contract. > > So, the Celtics need a major transfusion of youth and talent into their > frontcourt. > > The Big Question: How does Ainge or his successor accomplish this rebuilding of > the Celtics frontcourt. > > Ray > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 15:50:58 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:50:58 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Part I: WAKEY WAKEY, PEOPLE: Celtics Frontcourt Trashed In-Reply-To: <56a297000904280842r8132bd4r3f8af023964b81d2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <903829.33981.qm@web65613.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Well said, Noah. Rondo is the link to the new age. He could have easily sulked his way into not fulfilling his potential. But, put in the right developmental position, he's turned into a potential Hall-of-Fame talent. I don't worry about KG, Paul or Ray; they will still be around but they'll be playing on Rondo's terms. Ryan --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Noah Evans wrote: > From: Noah Evans > Subject: Re: Part I: WAKEY WAKEY, PEOPLE: Celtics Frontcourt Trashed > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:42 AM > Ray is being a doofus. Players come and go, but winning > culture > determines if a team will succeed or not as its current > cast of > players retire and are replaced. > > That's why players like Chauncey and KG are so > important. They instill > the proper attitude and way of behaving in the rest of > their > respective teams. KG's influence is why Rondo has gone > from a pain in > the butt not living up to his talent to arguably the most > effective > point guard in the eastern conference. Now that Rondo > "gets it", the > Celtics will be fine, no matter what players we assemble > around him. > He will play KG's role to the next generation of > Celtics players. Perk > as well if he stays healthy. > > Whether or not KG ever suits up for the C's again, > trading for him was > the best move the C's have made in the past 20 years. > > Noah > > On Tue, Apr 28, 2009 at 5:16 PM, > wrote: > > I think this is the first time I have ever replied to > a Ray post.? I tend to find his posts toxic; I sometimes > felt the same way about Eggy, but she has a sly grin that > can't help but win me over. > > > > Ray has made several valid points, but they are so > broad as to be meaningless as a whole:? he points out that > our players are young, old, injured, and healthy, and our > "future" in in doubt.? Well, so is > Cleveland's:? James is getting older, and who knows what > his situation will be in four years or more?? Why isn't > Cleveland management doing more? > > > > Garnett:? valid point, Ray.? We don't know all > about Garnett's injury; combine that with the "it > isn't the age, it's the miles" argument and > there IS a legitimate issue about how much effective time he > has left.? I was in a debate with Ryan about this earlier.? > I assume KG has at least one good year left, Ryan says more > like 3.? But I doubt that we can move him at any point in > the next three years, so that's the end of that > discussion. > > > > Powe:? has probably played his last game as a Celtic, > which is too bad.? Injuries happen.? It's a nasty > world.? By the way, I understand he's a free agent.? > Does this mean that me may not get signed at all next year > and be without a paycheck during rehab?? I assume the Cs pay > every dime of his surgery and rehab. > > > > Pierce:? yep, he's gettting up there too, but has > at least 2-3 more years.? Of course, he could blow out a > knee, too, and what's Celtic management doing about > THAT?? Rondo could get hit by a bus.? What's management > doing about THAT? > > > > Perk:? is what he is, and can only get better, even if > he isn't Shaq or even Elvin Hayes.? Kim once likened him > to Wes Unsled, and I can live with that.? Sure, it would be > nice to upgrade him to Russell or Dwight Howard.? It would > be nice to upgrade Eddie House to Oscar Robertson, too. > > > > I could go on, but the point is that looking at a team > like this has to depend on where and when you want to look.? > Those of us who "babble on about this meaningless > series" are fans of the 2008-09 Celtics.? This is > what's on our plates right now.? There's a Chicago > game tonight.? What happens in 2012-13 is not really on my > mind right now.? Hell, what happens in 2009-10 isn't > really on my mind right now. > > > > You know what?? In 2014, half this squad will be out > of the league.? In 2020, all of them will be.? What is > Celtic management doing about THAT, huh? > > > > Sheesh. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: wayoftheray at yahoo.com > > To: Celtics Stuff > ; Celtics Are > Idiots List > > Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 5:34 am > > Subject: Part I: WAKEY WAKEY, PEOPLE: Celtics > Frontcourt Trashed > > > > > > > > > > Well, I can't believe that people are so > short-sighted as to be babbling on > > about this meaningless Bulls series, when the Celtics > frontcourt has been > > decimated by injuries and losses and needs a serious > effort of rebuilding to be > > undertaken by Danny Ainge, or whomever succeeds him, > in the offseason.? > > > > James Posey - Oh, the club's frontcourt was > listing to port from the beginning > > with the loss of Posey and never did replace him, just > worked around his > > absence. The Celtics need a 6-8 and above combo > forward, who can guard everyone > > from shooting guards to power forwards and to keep > Pierce from being worn down. > > > > Kevin Garnett - It's impossible to quantify the > extent of his injury, until they > > scope out his knee. It may be as the Celtics have > said, or much worse, perhaps > > even resulting in microfracture surgery, which would > not see KG return to form > > until his second year after the procedure, if > everything went well. For others > > like Chris Webber, the surgery was a career-ender. Due > to excessive wear and > > tear on his knees, this could certainly be the > beginning of the end for Garnett, > > and it would be foolish > > to expect a full season from him next year. > > > > Leon Powe? -?Four operations on the same knee for the > cursed Powe, the anti-Tony > > Allen. He will likely return sometime next season, but > just don't expect him to > > exhibit the same level of effectiveness until > 2010-2011, aka the "Lockout Year". > > In other words, don't count on Leon > > to contribute anything meaningful for a long while.? > ?? > > > > Paul Pierce - The Captain is either tired or injured. > Either way, he will need > > some relief next season, and the prospect of injury > and missing future games is > > certainly going to increase for Pierce in the next two > years. > > > > Perkins - Although defensively improved, he is what he > is -- foul-prone, not an > > offensive threat -- and certainly less effective > without Garnett around. An > > upgrade at center would be a good start in the Celtics > front court > > revitalization. > > > > Glen Davis - He has developed into a better player and > perhaps may > > ?require the > > full (apparently diminishing) MLE to re-sign him. > However, for the full MLE, > > there are certainly better options than Davis > including Artest,? Wilcox and > > Wallace. If the Celtics are going to overpay someone, > one of those three is the > > far better choice. > > > > Brian Scalabrine - One concussion away from his career > being over, his most > > valuable asset is his expiring contract. He really > needs to be dealt away after > > the season. > > > > Tony Allen - Part time SF Allen, must exit stage soon. > Like Scalabrine, his most > > valauable contribution is his expiring contract. > > > > So, the Celtics need a major transfusion of youth and > talent into their > > frontcourt. > > > > The Big Question: How does Ainge or his successor > accomplish this rebuilding of > > the Celtics frontcourt. > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > > celtics at igtc.com > > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 15:58:08 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 08:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Double Standard? Message-ID: <226920.48348.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Brad Miller shoulders Big Baby in the head during Game 4 and intentionally swings a closed fist in the vicinity of his face, either glancing or nearly touching Baby's jaw, and you know what? Nothing happens. No suspension, no fine. Miller will play in Game 5. Meanwhile, if we remember back to the regular season, KG got suspended one game for unintentionally back-handing Bogut in the face. Double standard? Another example in the long line of league-wide anti-Boston bias? Mind you, Game 4 was officiated by two Chicago-area officials, both of which had the nerve to have their families attend the game, decked out in full Bulls regalia. Ryan From ellie.cutler at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 16:14:21 2009 From: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com (Ellie Cutler) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 09:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KG rumor Message-ID: <47496.7401.qm@web63103.mail.re1.yahoo.com> just passing it on... TNT analyst Reggie Miller told the Dan Patrick Show that he believes Kevin Garnett will return if the Celtics advance to the next round of the playoffs. While Miller did not confirm that Garnett told him this, the two are neighbors in Malibu, California. Garnett injured his knee in February against the Utah Jazz. He recently decided to postpone surgery. From douglas342 at aol.com Tue Apr 28 16:33:53 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:33:53 -0400 Subject: KG rumor In-Reply-To: <47496.7401.qm@web63103.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <47496.7401.qm@web63103.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB96364008C17C-23A4-420B@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> And no mention here of the story about Gordon's possible hamstring problem... The Cs should get past Chicago.? If Philly upsets Orlando, I can see getting past them as well.? Cleveland is another story. Now I am rooting for Portland, a team that seems to have the Lakers' number.? -----Original Message----- From: Ellie Cutler To: celtics at igtc.com Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 9:14 am Subject: KG rumor just passing it on... TNT analyst Reggie Miller told the Dan Patrick Show that he believes Kevin Garnett will return if the Celtics advance to the next round of the playoffs. While Miller did not confirm that Garnett told him this, the two are neighbors in Malibu, California. Garnett injured his knee in February against the Utah Jazz. He recently decided to postpone surgery. _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 17:02:06 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:02:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: KG rumor In-Reply-To: <8CB96364008C17C-23A4-420B@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <519917.30011.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yeah, I've assumed all along that KG would attempt a comeback provided we stay in the playoffs long enough. The question is: how long can he comeback for? He came back for 4 games last time, playing 15 minutes a night. That won't be quite enough this time... Yes, Gordon does have a hamstring problem, which makes our continued reliance on the Paul Pierce post-up play at the top of the key down the stretch in Game 4 that much more stupid. Not only was Paul not hitting that shot, or making anything happen with the pick-and-roll, Gordon was allowed to rest on defense when we should have been exploiting his injury. Ray was getting open all day against Gordon and his bad leg yet in the 2nd overtime we didn't run our offense, didn't get Ray any shots, or let Ray take Gordon on in a pick-and-roll. I've changed my tune on Doc, but that was a coaching error right there and we sure as hell better come out an go after Gordon tonight, no question about it... I'd love Portland to make it to the 2nd round. They've beaten the Lakers like 7 straight times in Portland, and there's some bad blood between the 2 teams. An upset is a possibility. Ryan --- On Tue, 4/28/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: KG rumor > To: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 11:33 AM > And no mention here of the story about Gordon's possible > hamstring problem... > > The Cs should get past Chicago.? If Philly upsets Orlando, > I can see getting past them as well.? Cleveland is another > story. > > Now I am rooting for Portland, a team that seems to have > the Lakers' number.? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellie Cutler > To: celtics at igtc.com > Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 9:14 am > Subject: KG rumor > > > > just passing it on... > > TNT analyst Reggie Miller told the Dan Patrick Show that he > believes Kevin > Garnett will return > if the Celtics advance to the next round of the playoffs. > While Miller > did not confirm that Garnett told him this, the two are > neighbors in > Malibu, California. Garnett injured his knee in February > against the > Utah Jazz. He recently decided to postpone surgery. > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Tue Apr 28 17:42:13 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:42:13 -0400 Subject: Double Standard? In-Reply-To: <226920.48348.qm@web65605.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090428134213.ZP5HB.77897.imail@eastrmwml45> How the NBA let the officials both be scheulded to ref a Celtics game is unfathomable. And they keep denying the conspiracy theories in the NBA? Officiating is far worse in basketball than any other pro sport. The union should have been heavily fined for that boneheaded assignment. ---- Ryan W wrote: > > Brad Miller shoulders Big Baby in the head during Game 4 and intentionally swings a closed fist in the vicinity of his face, either glancing or nearly touching Baby's jaw, and you know what? Nothing happens. No suspension, no fine. Miller will play in Game 5. > > Meanwhile, if we remember back to the regular season, KG got suspended one game for unintentionally back-handing Bogut in the face. Double standard? Another example in the long line of league-wide anti-Boston bias? > > Mind you, Game 4 was officiated by two Chicago-area officials, both of which had the nerve to have their families attend the game, decked out in full Bulls regalia. > > Ryan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Tue Apr 28 17:49:10 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 13:49:10 -0400 Subject: KG rumor In-Reply-To: <519917.30011.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <8CB96364008C17C-23A4-420B@mblk-d16.sysops.aol.com> <519917.30011.qm@web65615.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200904281749.n3SHnDlm023292@artemis.afrc.af.mil> Portland beating the Lakers? No bleepin way. As nice as it would be, there is no way in Hell the NBA lets it happen easily. Conspiracy theory all you want, it is a proven fact that big market teams (or those with "big market" stars) are assigned easily inlfuenced by crowds/more likely to call a "star" heavy foul game refs at home and not easily influenced by crowds/more professional refs away. We benefitted ourselves from it last year when we were able to defend LeBron pretty aggressively and not worry so much about the whistles. -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 1:02 PM To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Subject: Re: KG rumor Yeah, I've assumed all along that KG would attempt a comeback provided we stay in the playoffs long enough. The question is: how long can he comeback for? He came back for 4 games last time, playing 15 minutes a night. That won't be quite enough this time... Yes, Gordon does have a hamstring problem, which makes our continued reliance on the Paul Pierce post-up play at the top of the key down the stretch in Game 4 that much more stupid. Not only was Paul not hitting that shot, or making anything happen with the pick-and-roll, Gordon was allowed to rest on defense when we should have been exploiting his injury. Ray was getting open all day against Gordon and his bad leg yet in the 2nd overtime we didn't run our offense, didn't get Ray any shots, or let Ray take Gordon on in a pick-and-roll. I've changed my tune on Doc, but that was a coaching error right there and we sure as hell better come out an go after Gordon tonight, no question about it... I'd love Portland to make it to the 2nd round. They've beaten the Lakers like 7 straight times in Portland, and there's some bad blood between the 2 teams. An upset is a possibility. Ryan --- On Tue, 4/28/09, douglas342 at aol.com wrote: > From: douglas342 at aol.com > Subject: Re: KG rumor > To: ellie.cutler at yahoo.com, celtics at igtc.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 11:33 AM > And no mention here of the story about Gordon's possible > hamstring problem... > > The Cs should get past Chicago.? If Philly upsets Orlando, > I can see getting past them as well.? Cleveland is another > story. > > Now I am rooting for Portland, a team that seems to have > the Lakers' number.? > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ellie Cutler > To: celtics at igtc.com > Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 9:14 am > Subject: KG rumor > > > > just passing it on... > > TNT analyst Reggie Miller told the Dan Patrick Show that he > believes Kevin > Garnett will return > if the Celtics advance to the next round of the playoffs. > While Miller > did not confirm that Garnett told him this, the two are > neighbors in > Malibu, California. Garnett injured his knee in February > against the > Utah Jazz. He recently decided to postpone surgery. > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From douglas342 at aol.com Tue Apr 28 18:01:43 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 14:01:43 -0400 Subject: Double Standard? In-Reply-To: <20090428134213.ZP5HB.77897.imail@eastrmwml45> Message-ID: <8CB964285D81159-DFC-B59@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> Good piece in Sports Illustrated (most recent issue?? Not sure) about the tough call of block v charge.? -----Original Message----- From: martind42 at cox.net To: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com; The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 10:42 am Subject: Re: Double Standard? How the NBA let the officials both be scheulded to ref a Celtics game is unfathomable. And they keep denying the conspiracy theories in the NBA? Officiating is far worse in basketball than any other pro sport. The union should have been heavily fined for that boneheaded assignment. ---- Ryan W wrote: > > Brad Miller shoulders Big Baby in the head during Game 4 and intentionally swings a closed fist in the vicinity of his face, either glancing or nearly touching Baby's jaw, and you know what? Nothing happens. No suspension, no fine. Miller will play in Game 5. > > Meanwhile, if we remember back to the regular season, KG got suspended one game for unintentionally back-handing Bogut in the face. Double standard? Another example in the long line of league-wide anti-Boston bias? > > Mind you, Game 4 was officiated by two Chicago-area officials, both of which had the nerve to have their families attend the game, decked out in full Bulls regalia. > > Ryan > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From pdelevett at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 19:12:28 2009 From: pdelevett at yahoo.com (Peter Delevett) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ray Message-ID: <11422.42334.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I like Chris Wilcox but am not sure I'd rather have him on the Celtics than Glen Davis. For one thing, I think I've read he's shorter than his listed 6'10 (just like Davis is shorter than 6'9). For another, for a guy blessed with such athleticism, doesn't it seem like he's never really found a niche? His numbers are sure down this year. As for Artest, put me down now as saying he'd be worth the risk this summer. It would be like the Jordan/Pippen Bulls bringing in Rodman. Artest would more than make up for the loss of Posey and would be well worth offering the full MLE, though I definitely wouldn't give him more than three years (when KG's deal will be up), and ideally less. From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Tue Apr 28 19:29:36 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Ray In-Reply-To: <11422.42334.qm@web110105.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <149610.90131.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Yeah, Artest would be a great signing. I think it remains to be seen whether Ron would come off the bench or be willing to accept just the MLE. But it wouldn't hurt trying. Rasheed, I think, is the most realistic target with our MLE money. That said, I'd offer Trevor Ariza the entire MLE over 5 years. He's playing fantastic, has discovered his shot, can drive and pass pretty well, and plays great defense. Now, I don't think he has any chance of coming to Boston...in fact, I read somewhere that he hates the Celtics. But I'd still offer him as much as we can, if only to make the Lakers pay more... Ryan --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Peter Delevett wrote: > From: Peter Delevett > Subject: Ray > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 2:12 PM > I like Chris Wilcox but am not sure I'd rather have him > on the Celtics than Glen Davis. For one thing, I think > I've read he's shorter than his listed 6'10 > (just like Davis is shorter than 6'9). For another, for > a guy blessed with such athleticism, doesn't it seem > like he's never really found a niche? His numbers are > sure down this year. > > As for Artest, put me down now as saying he'd be worth > the risk this summer. It would be like the Jordan/Pippen > Bulls bringing in Rodman. Artest would more than make up for > the loss of Posey and would be well worth offering the full > MLE, though I definitely wouldn't give him more than > three years (when KG's deal will be up), and ideally > less. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From douglas342 at aol.com Tue Apr 28 21:19:37 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 17:19:37 -0400 Subject: Ray In-Reply-To: <149610.90131.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <8CB965E2B9E5B98-25C-1BE0@WEBMAIL-DZ14.sysops.aol.com> In reverse order:? Ariza may hate the Celtics, but I bet he'd love their money if there's more of it than elsewhere. Artest strikes me as one of those guys who comes in with an attitude, whines about "me", and then, finally, realizes that he's a professional basketball player and that the goal of a professional is to help your team win, even if it is at the expense of some individual stats.? We hope Marbury is another.? -----Original Message----- From: Ryan W To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 12:29 pm Subject: Re: Ray Yeah, Artest would be a great signing. I think it remains to be seen whether Ron would come off the bench or be willing to accept just the MLE. But it wouldn't hurt trying. Rasheed, I think, is the most realistic target with our MLE money. That said, I'd offer Trevor Ariza the entire MLE over 5 years. He's playing fantastic, has discovered his shot, can drive and pass pretty well, and plays great defense. Now, I don't think he has any chance of coming to Boston...in fact, I read somewhere that he hates the Celtics. But I'd still offer him as much as we can, if only to make the Lakers pay more... Ryan --- On Tue, 4/28/09, Peter Delevett wrote: > From: Peter Delevett > Subject: Ray > To: celtics at igtc.com > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 2:12 PM > I like Chris Wilcox but am not sure I'd rather have him > on the Celtics than Glen Davis. For one thing, I think > I've read he's shorter than his listed 6'10 > (just like Davis is shorter than 6'9). For another, for > a guy blessed with such athleticism, doesn't it seem > like he's never really found a niche? His numbers are > sure down this year. > > As for Artest, put me down now as saying he'd be worth > the risk this summer. It would be like the Jordan/Pippen > Bulls bringing in Rodman. Artest would more than make up for > the loss of Posey and would be well worth offering the full > MLE, though I definitely wouldn't give him more than > three years (when KG's deal will be up), and ideally > less. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From bosox18 at charter.net Wed Apr 29 02:00:06 2009 From: bosox18 at charter.net (bosox18 at charter.net) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 19:00:06 -0700 Subject: GS: Tony Allen In-Reply-To: <8CB964285D81159-DFC-B59@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <20090428220006.B7A3Y.1758850.root@mp20> Is there a pill that he can take that will make him less stupid? Steve O From jlyell at verizon.net Wed Apr 29 03:12:57 2009 From: jlyell at verizon.net (John Lyell) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 20:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GS: Tony Allen Message-ID: <853462.63625.qm@web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Yeah, so much for being a defensive stopper, Two dumb fouls ? What a game by Rajon, Perk & the Truth --- On Tue, 4/28/09, bosox18 at charter.net wrote: From: bosox18 at charter.net Subject: GS: Tony Allen To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 7:00 PM Is there a pill that he can take that will make him less stupid? Steve O _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Eric at ericalbert.net Wed Apr 29 03:44:26 2009 From: Eric at ericalbert.net (Eric Albert) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 23:44:26 -0400 Subject: Stole one Message-ID: <20090429034432.DA2B5E181C7@ignite.igtc.com> I don't understand how we won that game. I felt the Bulls defended better and ran their offense better. But I'm not complaining! -- Eric From troynsusiehash at alltel.net Wed Apr 29 04:08:39 2009 From: troynsusiehash at alltel.net (Troy Hash) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 00:08:39 -0400 Subject: Tony Allen In-Reply-To: <20090428220006.B7A3Y.1758850.root@mp20> References: <8CB964285D81159-DFC-B59@WEBMAIL-DZ12.sysops.aol.com> <20090428220006.B7A3Y.1758850.root@mp20> Message-ID: <00f301c9c880$2d80e1c0$6401a8c0@troyscomputer> NOPE, he is what he is and Doc keeps putting him out there! Usually with the same result!! -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of bosox18 at charter.net Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2009 10:00 PM To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Subject: GS: Tony Allen Is there a pill that he can take that will make him less stupid? 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.287 / Virus Database: 270.12.4/2081 - Release Date: 04/28/09 18:02:00 From stevebknight at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 04:25:02 2009 From: stevebknight at yahoo.com (steve knight) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 21:25:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: rondo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <543218.15941.qm@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> is there any doubt now that rondo is not a top 5 point guard talent in this league? damn, that kid's good. only one i trade him for straight up is chris paul. call me crazy, but he's a unique talent on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball. also, i'm starting to feel pretty good long-term about this team, knowing that 2/3rds of our starting lineup in these playoffs are under 25 years old and getting better by the game. win or lose, these guys are going to make us all proud and excited for the future. From ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 05:32:24 2009 From: ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com (Ryan W) Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2009 22:32:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: GS: Tony Allen In-Reply-To: <853462.63625.qm@web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <837270.33350.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> The first one was a terrible call (one of many tonight--in fact the last 4 on Ray Allen were all bullshit calls). Gordon and TA just got tangled up after the shot and the refs fell for it. The other one--the foul on Gordon's 3-ball attempt--was a good basketball play made at the wrong time and place. An error of aggression and intensity. Before and after that foul, TA played excellent defense on Gordon (who made some crazy, straight-out-of-his-ass shots) down the stretch. Doc, in fact, credited TA and Perk for fueling the defensive intensity that led the late 4th quarter comeback. TA made a positive difference out there tonight and it's because he can defend. At this point in the series, Eddie House has proved unable to get open on the perimeter, and is increasingly being exploited on defense (especially with pick-and-rolls that isolate him on Rose or Gordon). Marbury is still unsure of himself (I think that's going to change after tonight's game). TA can at least do ONE thing right now, and it happens to be our ONLY way of advancing--defense. We need him to tighten our defense. TA should get 15-20 minutes on Thursday. If he does, we'll win. Ryan --- On Tue, 4/28/09, John Lyell wrote: > From: John Lyell > Subject: Re: GS: Tony Allen > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:12 PM > Yeah, so much for being a defensive stopper, Two dumb fouls > ? > What a game by Rajon, Perk & the Truth > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, bosox18 at charter.net > wrote: > > > From: bosox18 at charter.net > Subject: GS: Tony Allen > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 7:00 PM > > > > Is there a pill that he can take that will make him less > stupid? > > Steve O > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Wed Apr 29 11:16:04 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 7:16:04 -0400 Subject: GS: Tony Allen In-Reply-To: <20090428220006.B7A3Y.1758850.root@mp20> Message-ID: <20090429071604.2Q4QQ.90964.imail@eastrmwml34> Tony's a genious. He needs no pill. He's never fouled a three point shooter before. Right! ---- bosox18 at charter.net wrote: > > Is there a pill that he can take that will make him less stupid? > > Steve O > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From martind42 at cox.net Wed Apr 29 11:16:57 2009 From: martind42 at cox.net (martind42 at cox.net) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 7:16:57 -0400 Subject: rondo In-Reply-To: <543218.15941.qm@web37408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20090429071657.Y9X0K.90968.imail@eastrmwml34> I think he's top three, but I'm biased. ---- steve knight wrote: > is there any doubt now that rondo is not a top 5 point guard talent in this league? damn, that kid's good. only one i trade him for straight up is chris paul. call me crazy, but he's a unique talent on both the offensive and defensive side of the ball. > > also, i'm starting to feel pretty good long-term about this team, knowing that 2/3rds of our starting lineup in these playoffs are under 25 years old and getting better by the game. > > win or lose, these guys are going to make us all proud and excited for the future. > > > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From bosox18 at charter.net Wed Apr 29 12:44:48 2009 From: bosox18 at charter.net (Steve Ouellette) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 08:44:48 -0400 Subject: GS: Tony Allen In-Reply-To: <837270.33350.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> References: <853462.63625.qm@web84007.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <837270.33350.qm@web65601.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The first one, Gordon took a flop. But the second one was unforgivably stupid -- you don't run over an off-balance 3-point shooter with 27 seconds left in a three point game. You can't just shrug it off as youthful exuberance. The C's need Ray Allen not to be fouled out on phantom calls, not more of Tony Allen. It would also be nice of Marbury to shoot wide open 15-footers and take layups when given. Never thought I would see a tentative Stephon Marbury. Steve O -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of Ryan W Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 1:32 AM To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List Subject: Re: GS: Tony Allen The first one was a terrible call (one of many tonight--in fact the last 4 on Ray Allen were all bullshit calls). Gordon and TA just got tangled up after the shot and the refs fell for it. The other one--the foul on Gordon's 3-ball attempt--was a good basketball play made at the wrong time and place. An error of aggression and intensity. Before and after that foul, TA played excellent defense on Gordon (who made some crazy, straight-out-of-his-ass shots) down the stretch. Doc, in fact, credited TA and Perk for fueling the defensive intensity that led the late 4th quarter comeback. TA made a positive difference out there tonight and it's because he can defend. At this point in the series, Eddie House has proved unable to get open on the perimeter, and is increasingly being exploited on defense (especially with pick-and-rolls that isolate him on Rose or Gordon). Marbury is still unsure of himself (I think that's going to change after tonight's game). TA can at least do ONE thing right now, and it happens to be our ONLY way of advancing--defense. We need him to tighten our defense. TA should get 15-20 minutes on Thursday. If he does, we'll win. Ryan --- On Tue, 4/28/09, John Lyell wrote: > From: John Lyell > Subject: Re: GS: Tony Allen > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 10:12 PM > Yeah, so much for being a defensive stopper, Two dumb fouls > ? > What a game by Rajon, Perk & the Truth > > --- On Tue, 4/28/09, bosox18 at charter.net > wrote: > > > From: bosox18 at charter.net > Subject: GS: Tony Allen > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" > > Date: Tuesday, April 28, 2009, 7:00 PM > > > > Is there a pill that he can take that will make him less > stupid? > > Steve O > > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics > _______________________________________________ > The Boston Celtics Mailing List > celtics at igtc.com > http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From bosox18 at charter.net Wed Apr 29 18:30:36 2009 From: bosox18 at charter.net (Steve Ouellette) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:30:36 -0400 Subject: Rondo foul Message-ID: <83FD3C1C24FB4D2FA92D0C360D54F601@StevePC> I can't believe the amount of air time being spent today on the "controversy" over whether or not Rondo's foul of Brad Miller should have been a flagrant foul. It's ludicrous. There are harder fouls in every single NBA game and it would have been a travesty if the game was decided because the Bulls got the foul shots and the ball with two seconds left. Rondo was trying to stop a layup, he wasn't trying to harm Miller. I always ask people to try and take an objective look at the situation - how would you feel if the situations were completely reversed? Hmmm, how would the Bulls have liked having a game handed to the Celtics on a flagrant foul call? The breakaway call on Scalabrine the other game was bad enough. I have a serious problem with referees who don't call clear fouls late in the game, but that is completely different from referees giving out bonus points and possessions. Steve O From douglas342 at aol.com Wed Apr 29 18:48:04 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 14:48:04 -0400 Subject: Rondo foul In-Reply-To: <83FD3C1C24FB4D2FA92D0C360D54F601@StevePC> References: <83FD3C1C24FB4D2FA92D0C360D54F601@StevePC> Message-ID: <8CB97122A3BD4F0-EB4-7D2@webmail-dh40.sysops.aol.com> I thought that #6 on Ray was more controversial.? He and whoever it was simply got tangled up. As for Rondo's, maybe in a December game against Memphis it's a flagrant, but a tense playoff game?? No way. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ouellette To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:30 am Subject: Rondo foul I can't believe the amount of air time being spent today on the "controversy" over whether or not Rondo's foul of Brad Miller should have been a flagrant foul. It's ludicrous. There are harder fouls in every single NBA game and it would have been a travesty if the game was decided because the Bulls got the foul shots and the ball with two seconds left. Rondo was trying to stop a layup, he wasn't trying to harm Miller. I always ask people to try and take an objective look at the situation - how would you feel if the situations were completely reversed? Hmmm, how would the Bulls have liked having a game handed to the Celtics on a flagrant foul call? The breakaway call on Scalabrine the other game was bad enough. I have a serious problem with referees who don't call clear fouls late in the game, but that is completely different from referees giving out bonus points and possessions. Steve O _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil Wed Apr 29 19:13:57 2009 From: Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil (Patrick.Ryan at dobbins.af.mil) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 15:13:57 -0400 Subject: Rondo foul In-Reply-To: <8CB97122A3BD4F0-EB4-7D2@webmail-dh40.sysops.aol.com> References: <83FD3C1C24FB4D2FA92D0C360D54F601@StevePC> <8CB97122A3BD4F0-EB4-7D2@webmail-dh40.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <200904291914.n3TJE1q3008505@artemis.afrc.af.mil> It's a height penalty - plain and simple. Rondo was going for the ball...and he couldn't get high enough to swat it against the 6'10 Miller. If they call that a flagrant then any future foul where a point guard (or any other player shorter then 6'10 for that matter) attempts to block a center must also then be flagrant foul. Tempest in a teacup. Going to be a chippy game 6 though - do you think we'll get a seasoned zebra crew or the Bennet Salvatores and Violet Palmers of the world? -----Original Message----- From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On Behalf Of douglas342 at aol.com Sent: Wednesday, April 29, 2009 2:48 PM To: bosox18 at charter.net; celtics at igtc.com Subject: Re: Rondo foul I thought that #6 on Ray was more controversial.? He and whoever it was simply got tangled up. As for Rondo's, maybe in a December game against Memphis it's a flagrant, but a tense playoff game?? No way. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Ouellette To: 'The Boston Celtics Mailing List' Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 11:30 am Subject: Rondo foul I can't believe the amount of air time being spent today on the "controversy" over whether or not Rondo's foul of Brad Miller should have been a flagrant foul. It's ludicrous. There are harder fouls in every single NBA game and it would have been a travesty if the game was decided because the Bulls got the foul shots and the ball with two seconds left. Rondo was trying to stop a layup, he wasn't trying to harm Miller. I always ask people to try and take an objective look at the situation - how would you feel if the situations were completely reversed? Hmmm, how would the Bulls have liked having a game handed to the Celtics on a flagrant foul call? The breakaway call on Scalabrine the other game was bad enough. I have a serious problem with referees who don't call clear fouls late in the game, but that is completely different from referees giving out bonus points and possessions. Steve O _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From gk_tyler at yahoo.com Wed Apr 29 23:53:55 2009 From: gk_tyler at yahoo.com (gene kirkpatrick) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Subject: fouls Message-ID: <927826.94855.qm@web39602.mail.mud.yahoo.com> After listening to a looonnnggg session on ESPN radio about the Rondo foul, I confirmed my feeling that a last second shot should be a clear jumper rather than a drive to the basket.? Unless you have a one-on-one situation and an angle that will bring an un-blocked shot and you only need one point (so that a foul gives you an advantage), go for the uncontested jumper.? Fouls are not always called and?heroic blocks are rewarded.? So, Miller would have been better served to take a short jumper--the Pierce way. ? I thought Rondo's foul was harsh, but only in slow motion.? The refs were right as the league was right in sitting Howard for game six in Philly.? It's tough, but the elbow shot to the head is harder to excuse than the judgment call on a hard foul.? So, Philly might take it to seven.? Amazing. ? I haven't seen the whole game, yet, so I'll reserve comment on Tony's play--his last foul was too much, but he had earlier kept Gordon from a game-winner in regulation.? I wish we would go small when Gordon, or later LeBron or Kobe, starts to heat up:? put Tony on the scorer and play Rondo, Tony, Ray, Pierce and either big.? It has its holes but I think the intensity level works our way.? Enough.? Cheers, Gene From Mafiaso316 at aol.com Wed Apr 29 23:56:50 2009 From: Mafiaso316 at aol.com (Mafiaso316 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 19:56:50 EDT Subject: fouls Message-ID: Goordon should never been at the line, the ref blew the call, his foot was on the out of bounds line. In a message dated 4/29/2009 7:54:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gk_tyler at yahoo.com writes: After listening to a looonnnggg session on ESPN radio about the Rondo foul, I confirmed my feeling that a last second shot should be a clear jumper rather than a drive to the basket. Unless you have a one-on-one situation and an angle that will bring an un-blocked shot and you only need one point (so that a foul gives you an advantage), go for the uncontested jumper. Fouls are not always called and heroic blocks are rewarded. So, Miller would have been better served to take a short jumper--the Pierce way. I thought Rondo's foul was harsh, but only in slow motion. The refs were right as the league was right in sitting Howard for game six in Philly. It's tough, but the elbow shot to the head is harder to excuse than the judgment call on a hard foul. So, Philly might take it to seven. Amazing. I haven't seen the whole game, yet, so I'll reserve comment on Tony's play--his last foul was too much, but he had earlier kept Gordon from a game-winner in regulation. I wish we would go small when Gordon, or later LeBron or Kobe, starts to heat up: put Tony on the scorer and play Rondo, Tony, Ray, Pierce and either big. It has its holes but I think the intensity level works our way. Enough. Cheers, Gene _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) From douglas342 at aol.com Thu Apr 30 03:55:33 2009 From: douglas342 at aol.com (douglas342 at aol.com) Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 23:55:33 -0400 Subject: fouls In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB975EA583CB22-BFC-27E9@webmail-mh49.sysops.aol.com> There was a ref right behind him, and I swear you could see the ref look down at his feet.?? TV replays inconclusive.? Close, so I defer to the ref. -----Original Message----- From: Mafiaso316 at aol.com To: celtics at igtc.com Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 4:56 pm Subject: Re: fouls Goordon should never been at the line, the ref blew the call, his foot was on the out of bounds line. In a message dated 4/29/2009 7:54:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gk_tyler at yahoo.com writes: After listening to a looonnnggg session on ESPN radio about the Rondo foul, I confirmed my feeling that a last second shot should be a clear jumper rather than a drive to the basket. Unless you have a one-on-one situation and an angle that will bring an un-blocked shot and you only need one point (so that a foul gives you an advantage), go for the uncontested jumper. Fouls are not always called and heroic blocks are rewarded. So, Miller would have been better served to take a short jumper--the Pierce way. I thought Rondo's foul was harsh, but only in slow motion. The refs were right as the league was right in sitting Howard for game six in Philly. It's tough, but the elbow shot to the head is harder to excuse than the judgment call on a hard foul. So, Philly might take it to seven. Amazing. I haven't seen the whole game, yet, so I'll reserve comment on Tony's play--his last foul was too much, but he had earlier kept Gordon from a game-winner in regulation. I wish we would go small when Gordon, or later LeBron or Kobe, starts to heat up: put Tony on the scorer and play Rondo, Tony, Ray, Pierce and either big. It has its holes but I think the intensity level works our way. Enough. Cheers, Gene _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics From Mafiaso316 at aol.com Thu Apr 30 04:01:25 2009 From: Mafiaso316 at aol.com (Mafiaso316 at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 00:01:25 EDT Subject: fouls Message-ID: On the replay I saw the ref never looked down at all and the commentars even made comments about it. In a message dated 4/29/2009 11:56:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, douglas342 at aol.com writes: There was a ref right behind him, and I swear you could see the ref look down at his feet.?? TV replays inconclusive.? Close, so I defer to the ref. -----Original Message----- From: Mafiaso316 at aol.com To: celtics at igtc.com Sent: Wed, 29 Apr 2009 4:56 pm Subject: Re: fouls Goordon should never been at the line, the ref blew the call, his foot was on the out of bounds line. In a message dated 4/29/2009 7:54:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gk_tyler at yahoo.com writes: After listening to a looonnnggg session on ESPN radio about the Rondo foul, I confirmed my feeling that a last second shot should be a clear jumper rather than a drive to the basket. Unless you have a one-on-one situation and an angle that will bring an un-blocked shot and you only need one point (so that a foul gives you an advantage), go for the uncontested jumper. Fouls are not always called and heroic blocks are rewarded. So, Miller would have been better served to take a short jumper--the Pierce way. I thought Rondo's foul was harsh, but only in slow motion. The refs were right as the league was right in sitting Howard for game six in Philly. It's tough, but the elbow shot to the head is harder to excuse than the judgment call on a hard foul. So, Philly might take it to seven. Amazing. I haven't seen the whole game, yet, so I'll reserve comment on Tony's play--his last foul was too much, but he had earlier kept Gordon from a game-winner in regulation. I wish we would go small when Gordon, or later LeBron or Kobe, starts to heat up: put Tony on the scorer and play Rondo, Tony, Ray, Pierce and either big. It has its holes but I think the intensity level works our way. Enough. Cheers, Gene _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol? redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics _______________________________________________ The Boston Celtics Mailing List celtics at igtc.com http://www.igtc.com/mailman/listinfo/celtics **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220631276x1201390200/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214101948%3B35952020%3Bv) From BDodgers at aol.com Thu Apr 30 17:25:30 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 13:25:30 EDT Subject: Riveting Celtics-Bulls postseason clash a tale of shifting strategies Message-ID: Ian Thomsen > INSIDE THE NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/ian_thomsen/archive/) Riveting Celtics-Bulls postseason clash a tale of shifting strategies Story Highlights Double teams on Paul Pierce has left Ray Allen open for numerous clutch jumpers Point guard Kirk Hinrich has offered Bulls scoring off bench Celtics have yet to find Rajon Rondo's ability to drive into lane key to getting Celtics' stars quality shots Sadly, all good serials must end someday. The Godfather trilogy. The Sopranos HBO drama. The Celtics-Bulls opening-round series. Maybe _Paul Pierce_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3253) will hit a shot at the buzzer of Game 6 on Thursday and the season will go blank on the _Chicago Bulls_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/teams/bulls) , from hysteria to nothingness, just like that. The second-seeded Celtics surely need to approach Game 6 with a do-or-die mentality. Of course, the defending champions hold a 3-2 lead, with a seventh game scheduled for their home court Saturday if need be. But they can't afford to let things slide that far. Four of these enervating games have been decided by three points or fewer, and a postseason-record three of them have gone into one or more overtimes. If the Bulls are able to hold serve Thursday, who knows what may happen next. They may tip off Saturday and not finish until Monday. A few themes from the Celtics' provocative 106-104 win in Game 5 on Tuesday will tide into Game 6. After declining to double-team Pierce, who torched _John Salmons_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3624) or _Derrick Rose_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4387) for four jumpers off the dribble in the last moments of regulation and OT, will the Bulls try to trap the ball out of his hands this time? Careful there: They can afford that strategy only in the unlikely event that _Ray Allen_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3080) has again fouled out, as he did midway through the fourth quarter Tuesday. Allen has hit a number of big shots this year while sprinting away from double teams of Pierce, and the ball has rotated his way for open threes much as it did at the end of Game 2 when Allen beat the Bulls with 2.2 seconds remaining. Will the Celtics be able to muzzle the three-guard rotation of _Ben Gordon_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3820) , Rose and _Kirk Hinrich_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3710) ? Gordon has been a revelation with his audacious shooting in the most crucial moments, regardless of double teams or the strained hamstring that made him a "game-time decision" (just before he proceeded to play 51 minutes Tuesday -- oh, to be young and playing for a new contract). Rose's command of the open floor has enabled the Bulls to quickly puncture any single-digit lead created by the Celtics. But Hinrich's value as sixth man should not be undersold, for he gives Chicago scoring off the bench (19 points Tuesday) that the depleted Celtics have yet to realize from _Stephon Marbury_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3099) or _Eddie House_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3436) . "I think [if] we shut Kirk Hinrich down, we can close out the series," said Celtics center _Kendrick Perkins_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3730) , who had 16 points, 19 rebounds and seven blocks in Game 5. A word needs to be added about the Bulls' toughness. They lack injured small forward _Luol Deng_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3824) , regarded as their No. 2 talent after Rose, and Gordon struggled for three-and-a-half quarters Tuesday while playing through his injury. But Gordon found his rhythm when the Bulls needed him most, and altogether Chicago has exhibited poise and confidence unusual of a young team in the closing moments of playoff games against the NBA champions. That's why it's once again up to the Celtics' remarkable point guard, _Rajon Rondo_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4149) (who is averaging a postseason triple-double of 24.2 points, 10.2 assists and 10.2 rebounds), to seize control and prevent the underdog from forcing a Game 7. By attacking the basket off the dribble and softening the Bulls' defense, as he did when Boston was desperate for points during its Game 5 comeback, Rondo essentially gives the Celtics the inside presence offensively that they're missing without _Kevin Garnett_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3007) and _Leon Powe_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/4177) . Rondo's drives should create space for Pierce and Allen, who also are advised to up-fake and drive the ball into the paint for short pull-ups or free throws. If, on the other hand, the Celtics go into Chicago expecting to win based on the perimeter shooting of Pierce and Allen, then they might as well start preparing for a Game 7. **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219491521x1201306563/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214102108%3B35952091%3Bs) From BDodgers at aol.com Sat Apr 4 17:19:22 2009 From: BDodgers at aol.com (BDodgers at aol.com) Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 17:19:22 -0000 Subject: Ian Thomsen > INSIDE THE NBA Message-ID: Ian Thomsen > INSIDE THE NBA (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/writers/ian_thomsen/archive/) Weekly Countdown: Winning now means paying later in the NBA Story Highlights Average salary in NBA is $4.2 million; highest paid is Boston's Kevin Garnett Hornets may be forced to trade star talent to avoid luxury tax next season More topics: most wasteful teams, Elton Brand's value, payroll comparisons This being a nation of laws in which contracts cannot be abrogated (or so I hear on the Sunday morning news shows), NBA players continued to rake in huge salaries while the larger economy comes shattering down all around them. This season more than $2,144,283,570 is being paid to 507 players, according to official NBA payroll figures I viewed Wednesday. That makes for an average salary of $4.2 million, which is far less than the Rockets are paying the tireless _Luis Scola_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3653) (who is making $3.1 million this season) and far more than the Knicks paid the tiresome _Stephon Marbury_ (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/players/3099) ($18.6 million). The lowest-paid player was D.J. Strawberry, who was paid $4,185 by the Rockets. Th