Fan favorite Scalabrine

Tue Feb 12 07:05:31 CST 2008

I don't know about that. At least Kite could punish
people physically.

--- asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Scalabrine = Greg Kite
> 
> 
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> From: "bosox18 at charter.net" <bosox18 at charter.net>
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> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 10:52:27 PM
> Subject: Fan favorite Scalabrine
> 
> I have to agree with Ryan on this particular
> occasion. Scal is playing terribly even by his own
> standards. He's the poorest rebounding 4 in the
> league and his supposed strength -- besides his
> intangibles -- is his non-existent perimeter
> shooting, in which he has absolutely no confidence.
> 
> I almost could have kissed Jeff Van Gundy Sunday
> when one announcer talked about Scal's 3-point
> marksmanship and Van Gundy took him to task, mocking
> the redhead's wretched 32 percent shooting.
> 
> At least three or four times during that game,
> though, they talked about how Scal was a huge fan
> favorite. Can this possibly be? I've taken the
> cheers for Scal to be good-natured support for the
> handicapped JV kid who comes in with a 45-point
> lead. Now that we're winning, he's a lovable victory
> cigar, right? Has it become something more? Is he
> really a fan favorite to the uninformed masses?
> 
> Steve O
> 
> 
> ---- Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> > Kim, you're usually spot on with everything you
> post,
> > but I gotta disagree with your claim that Scal's
> not
> > cutting into Leon and Baby's minutes.  That's
> exactly
> > what he's doing and I don't see how you can argue
> > otherwise.  Baby, Powe, Posey, KG, and Scal all
> play a
> > hybrid 4/5 position.  When Scal plays this hybrid
> > position, it's more like a 3/4 with no rebounding,
> > slightly better ball movement, and supposedly
> better
> > outside shooting.  When Baby and Powe play it,
> it's
> > more like a 4/5 with tough-nosed rebounding and
> > defensive muscling position, with more
> layups/dunks,
> > and better interior passing (in the case of Baby).
> 
> > Posey is Scal if Scal had actual talent,
> athleticism,
> > and giant brass balls and KG is a combination of
> > Scal/Posey/Powe/Baby with great intensity,
> > determination, athleticism, and without their
> faults
> > (or the fat asses, a term I use endearingly). 
> While
> > Scal plays a different (and seriously
> less-effective)
> > version of the 4/5 than do Baby or Powe, they
> > effectively play the same position on the court
> and
> > thus when Scal starts in the absence of KG, he's
> > taking minutes away from Posey, Powe, and Baby.  I
> > would argue that those minutes would be better
> spent
> > on Baby, Powe, and Posey, both in the short term
> and
> > long term view of things.  Pollard has no place in
> > this discussion, as he's completely entrenched in
> the
> > 5 position and is pretty much Perk's backup, if
> > anything.  It's about Scal playing over Powe and
> Baby
> > and what that potentially does to both their
> > development and our ability to win games.
> > 
> > I will agree with you that we're not losing games
> > because of Scal, mainly because we're not losing
> many
> > games period.  And even in those games we do lose,
> > Scal isn't playing enough to be the scapegoat. 
> But,
> > if we look at the games we do win, I think there
> are
> > several games where we can point to the play of
> Powe
> > or Baby and say it was their play that made
> > such-and-such win possible (Friday's Timberwolves
> win
> > an example of a game Powe helped win, and the
> Spurs
> > game an example of one that Baby has helped win). 
> Can
> > the same be said of Scalabrine?  Absolutely not. 
> And
> > that's where the complaining stems from--Scal
> ain't
> > winning us games with his play.  At most, he does
> > nothing.  And that's when he's doing the
> 'intangibles'
> > so very much celebrated by his coach.  
> > 
> > Small intangible digression:  lauding anyone's
> > intangibles should be done sparingly.  Intangibles
> are
> > only intangibles if they've got tangibles to affix
> > themselves to.  Nobody at the bakery is lauding
> > Sally's intangibles--that she's always got a smile
> on
> > her face, is willing to listen to everyone's
> problems,
> > is never taking her breaks, etc...--if she can't
> > fucking bake a fucking cake.  Scalabrine can't
> bake a
> > fucking cake out there, but Doc wants to spent
> half
> > his press conference lauding him for shadowing the
> > ball and taking time of the shot clock.  Yes, Doc,
> > that was great, but he also didn't collect a
> rebound
> > in 22 minutes while playing a position that pretty
> > much demands rebounding.  When we talk about
> > intangibles, we are really talking about invisible
> > things that add to what can be seen.  When we say
> KG
> > or Posey have great intangibles, we're really
> saying
> > that in addition to their good shooting,
> rebounding,
> > defensive prowess, they do the little things that
> > can't be measured and thus their shooting,
> rebounding,
> > defensive prowess is actually better than the
> > statistics would say.  In Scal's case, he doesn't
> get
> > numbers and so even if you try to say that he does
> the
> > little things that can't be measured you're aren't
> > saying much because basically when you add
> something
> > that can't be seen to something else that equals
> zero
> > (Scal's statistical output), well, you're pretty
> much
> > going to get zero no matter what kind of math
> you're
> > practicing.
> > 
> > If everybody's effectiveness was measured as
> > Scalabrine's is on this team, we'd have one
> horrible
> > team.  Sure, he *sometimes* does the little
> things,
> > but that is NOT a reason to give him playing time.
> 
> > Especially when the guys he's playing in front of
> are
> > actually contributing to wins.  Powe and Baby have
> > intangibles too; and in contrast to Scal's, these
> > intangibles are in addition to the actual
> tangibles,
> > like scoring and rebounding.  
> > 
> > I'll leave you with this: in our two biggest wins
> (at
> > Detroit and yesterday against San Antonio), an
> > unheralded, overweight rookie named Glen Davis has
> > come out of nowhere and surprised the other team
> and
> > directly led us to victory.  Those kind of big
> game
> > performances are exactly the kind of intangibles
> that
> > I'm looking for--the one's that produce wins.  
> > 
> > Ryan
> > --- Kim Malo <kmalo17 at verizon.net> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Gotta admit I don't understand the continued
> > > obsession this year with 
> > > Scal and the sky is falling moaning should he
> step
> > > foot on the court. 
> > > Past years, fine, valid case. But he's spent
> most of
> > > this season on 
> > > the bench where he belongs, getting sparse
> minutes
> > > in only a few 
> > > games, and the only person whose minutes he's
> really
> > > taking is 
> > > Pollard's because he's healthier. He's NOT
> cutting
> > > into Leon and BB's 
> > > development / minutes and he's not losing us
> games.
> > > People assume if 
> > > Scal wasn't out there that they'd be playing and
> I
> > > don't think you 
> > > can do that. The only reason he's seeing a bit
> more
> > > play now is to 
> > > add height that they don't bring and fill a
> small
> > > role that Pollard 
> > > would probably get first shot at if he was
> healthier
> > > because he's 
> > > more of a true center. KG and Perk come back and
> > > based on what Doc's 
> > > actually done this season, not just wishful
> > > thinking, Scal goes back 
> > > to spending most of his time in the best seat in
> the
> > > house to watch the game.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     
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