draft

Sat May 5 15:27:40 CDT 2007

But you are talking about guys that went in the second round which means 
that every GM sucks because they all passed on the player at least once.

>From: <ryanmnelson at verizon.net>
>Reply-To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
>To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
>Subject: Re: Re: Re: draft
>Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 14:29:24 -0500 (CDT)
>
>ok, then how should one put a value on danny ainge's drafting ability other 
>than looking at who he picked and who was available?
>
>Actual performance is not a valid method of evaluation?
>
>The assertion made was that danny is a good drafter.  I was curious if that 
>is actually true.
>
>My assertion is that it is mixed with big failures (the whole 2003 draft 
>and last year's draft), a nice sleeper (gomes), a solid 2004 (jefferson), 
>and a big unknown (green).
>
>I guess I shouldn't use the facts.
>
>
>rmn
>
>
> >From: asterix ninetynine <asterix_9_9 at yahoo.com>
> >Date: 2007/05/04 Fri PM 01:19:54 CDT
> >To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List <celtics at igtc.com>
> >Subject: Re: Re: draft
>
> >The trap that you've fallen into illustrates the problem with rating 
>drafting ability.  You simply go back and select from everyone taken after 
>"player X ".   It's a large pool and simply a poor exercise in Monday 
>Morning Quarterbacking.
> >
> >
> >ryanmnelson at verizon.net wrote:
> >  Perhaps some are overrating danny's drafting ability.
> >
> >2003 was a disaster. Marcus banks ahead of players like david west, 
>leandro barbosa, boris diaw, luke walton, and josh howard to name a few. 
>Heck the 2 picks right after kendrick perkins (4 points, 5 rebounds per 
>game) were barbosa and howard. Zaza pachulia went 42nd. I give the 2003 
>draft an F.
> >
> >2004 was much better. Jefferson was the right pick at 15. And taking 
>delonte and tony allen were solid as well. The pick right after allen and 
>west was kevin martin who is arguably better than both of them though 
>(arguably, not definitively). Overall, I would give ainge an A for this 
>draft.
> >
> >2005 is a huge quesiton mark. We took green ahead of hakim warrick, david 
>lee, jarret jack, luther head, and 22 picks ahead of monta ellis. So was 
>Green the right pick? Isn't monta elllis much more polished and the same 
>age? I think the jury is still out here. Gomes was a steal at the end of 
>the draft but i am not convinced he is anything other than an 8th-9th man 
>on a good team. the classic glue guy, nothing wrong with that though, 
>especially so late in the draft. Hard to rate this draft because Green can 
>really go either way right now. i'd give Danny a B on this one, largely 
>because of Gomes.
> >
> >2006 is another failure. Danny decided the talent was not as good as 
>sebastian telfair and thus traded foye/roy (foye actually went #7, not sure 
>if we would have swapped him for roy) for telfair. It is still too early to 
>judge rondo but we could have had marcus williams or jordan farmar among 
>others. Out of those 3, i can't say who is going to be better, too early to 
>tell (hopefully it is rondo). However, deciding the talent wasn't good 
>enough in the top 7 and trading it for telfair gives ainge a D. At #21 
>there were a number of players he could have taken over rondo that could be 
>argued as being better or worse, too early to tell on that one.
> >
> >So by my count
> >2003: F
> >2004: A
> >2005: B
> >2006: D (maybe a C if you think rondo is really going to be a stand out, 
>i just don't know right now, but danny gave up huge potential here).
> >
> >So is danny really that great of a drafter? Or is he just good at finding 
>a rotation guy (gomes, powe) when other people have given up? I thnk the 
>record is mixed.
> >
> >rmn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>From: Steve Ouellette
> >>Date: 2007/05/04 Fri AM 11:30:42 CDT
> >>To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> >>Cc: steve knight
> >>Subject: Re: draft
> >
> >>I have a lot of faith in Danny's drafting ... but there's no way he 
>finds anyone comparable to Durant later in the draft. If they get pick 1 or 
>2, they're not dealing it. If it's later than that, anything could happen.
> >>
> >>Steve O
> >>
> >>---- steve knight wrote:
> >>> well, it's clear now. ainge wants defense. if we have
> >>> the first pick, it's oden. if the second pick, don't
> >>> be shocked if he gives up durant and trades down a
> >>> couple picks for someone else on his wish list and a
> >>> rock-solid starter. as much as i'd love to see durant
> >>> on this team, i would trust danny to trade down given
> >>> his success in finding good young talent. as long as
> >>> he gets a solid vet in the process. and i'm not
> >>> talking a borderline starter. i'm talking a josh
> >>> howard level of talent.
> >>>
> >>> think 2 for 1 unless we get the top pick. done right,
> >>> it will make red proud.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 
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