Celtics Could Have Joe Johnson, But They Rather Have The 5th Pick And Rashard Lewis

Tue Jun 12 16:05:21 CDT 2007

I know. That's just fantastic. These owners are a nightmare.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
Behalf Of Way Of The Ray
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:55 PM
To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
Subject: RE: Celtics Could Have Joe Johnson,But They Rather Have The 5th
Pick And Rashard Lewis

They're definitely not trading Pierce - he's
Wyc's No. 1 Binky. They've exchanged blings.  
Ray

--- "Berry, Mark  S" <berrym at BATTELLE.ORG> wrote:

> I don't disagree with any of that. If we don't take
> Noah, I'm OK with
> Yi. At least he actually gives us some size. I agree
> also on Brewer and
> Thornton. I'm not down on either guy as prospects. I
> just don't think
> they fill a need for the Celtics at all.
> 
> If the C's get Rashard Lewis, I think the best move
> is to trade Pierce
> for frontcourt help, but they won't do that.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> Behalf Of Way Of The Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:28 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: RE: Celtics Could Have Joe Johnson,But They
> Rather Have The 5th
> Pick And Rashard Lewis
> 
> Mark,
> I can't believe Atlanta would trade JJ for anything 
> less than Jefferson, but stranger things have
> happened draft day. It depends, I suppose,
> how badly they want Conley.
> 
> The Lewis rumor is more than a message board
> concoction - Egg, Bulpett, and Shira have all 
> mentioned him.
> 
> As far as size goes, that's why Ainge wants to take
> Yi at 5, and trade for Lewis. Might not be the 
> best defensive frontcourt around, but great size and
> scoring with Jefferson, Yi, and Lewis.
> 
> I'd rather see Garnett, O'Neal, or Gasol than Lewis,
> but you might be able to acquire him without giving
> up
> the 5th pick, so they can select Yi too.
> 
> Though, the rumors are rampant that the Hawks are
> drafting  Yi at 3. 
> 
> The high salary for Lewis, yeah, but that's the
> penalty you pay for doing a sign and trade. 
> 
> Also, I think the Lewis deal would be Theo, Delonte,
> Boston unprotected first, and the Minnesota pick
> perhaps.
> 
> Noah is a good energy/chemistry guy, a complimentary
> player - Yi, has a chance to be a Bargnaini-Gasol
> hybrid type.  Thornton can be a high scoring, good
> rebounding SG/SF. Won't surprise, if he's not a 20
> point scorer by his third year or sooner. Brewer
> should be Prince at least.
> 
> Ray
> 
> --- "Berry, Mark  S" <berrym at BATTELLE.ORG> wrote:
> 
> > OK, I'll chime in on all this ... 
> > 
> > First of all, it's probably much ado about
> nothing.
> > It's a message board
> > rumor. But let's play along ... 
> > 
> > Rashard Lewis for basically nothing (other than
> > Delonte, but I'm putting
> > aside my personal feelings for Delonte ... ) ...
> > Well, we're not really
> > getting him for nothing. Theo's contract has real
> > value in trades, and
> > Lewis will want a max deal. Are we willing to burn
> > those assets (Theo's
> > contract, Delonte) and that kind of salary (we'd
> > have $40 million tied
> > up in Pierce, Wally and Lewis -- who all play the
> > same position) on a
> > guy who doesn't really fill any need. I'm not
> > entirely opposed to this
> > move, but we need to have some corresponding moves
> > set up to configure
> > the team correctly. This one strikes me more as
> > continued "asset
> > collection" instead of team building. We need to
> > start focusing on team
> > building.
> > 
> > Joe Johnson and 11 for 5 and Gerald (and Theo
> > presumably) ... This one
> > is interesting. If we're just planning to take
> Corey
> > Brewer at 5, then
> > I'd be very inclined to do this deal. Personally,
> > I'm a Noah guy ... but
> > it sounds like the Celtics aren't (he's never
> > mentioned in the "six
> > prospects under consideration" references). This
> > still isn't a perfect
> > fit -- especially if we do something ridiculous
> and
> > take Al Thornton at
> > 11. We need a big for that Perk/Gomes spot that's
> > killing us. Joe
> > Johnson would be a nice 2 to play with Pierce at 3
> > and Al at 4. That
> > gives us three legitimate NBA starters. If we can
> > turn 11 and others
> > into an upgrade at 4/5, I could go for this one. I
> > like Joe Johnson
> > better than Rashard Lewis for this team.
> > 
> > I'm upset, however, that all of this talk still
> > centers on swingmen.
> > Enough. Get us some legitimate NBA size. Perk,
> > Gomes, Scalabrine, Powe
> > ... There's a problem there.
> > 
> > Mark
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> > [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> > Behalf Of Way Of The Ray
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:39 PM
> > To: Celtics Stuff; Celtics Are Idiots List
> > Subject: Celtics Could Have Joe Johnson,But They
> > Rather Have The 5th
> > Pick And Rashard Lewis
> > 
> > The always entertaining and interesting Celtic
> > Thug...
> > 
> >
> http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=672681
> > 
> > "I mention yesterday that they top three teams had
> > contacted the Celtics regarding the #5 pick. Both
> > Portland and Atlanta wants Mike Conley.
> > 
> > "However Danny Ainge isn't incline to deal with
> > Portland because he was told by ownership in no
> case
> > whatsoever they wanted to deal with Zach Randolph.
> > They feel that Danny got burned as year by Blazer
> GM
> > Kevin Pritchard in trading for Telfair who had
> turn
> > out to have issues both on and off the court.
> > Telfair
> > has even lost support in the locker room. Danny
> > isn't
> > going to be allowed to make that mistake again.
> Not
> > with such a young team.
> > 
> > "As I mention before Atlanta has also contacted
> > Boston
> > about the #5 pick. Boston and Atlanta has gone as
> > far
> > as making a tentative agreement. Where Boston
> would
> > land Joe Johnson among others for the#5 and Gerald
> > Green. Atlanta wants Conley Jr. But aren't willing
> > to
> > take him with the 3rd pick. If they were to land
> > Boston 5th pick they can get both of there guys.
> The
> > only problem now for Atlanta is Boston has better
> > options too choose from.
> > 
> > "That better option right now is going after
> Rashard
> > Lewis in a sign-in-trade deal with the Sonics.
> They
> > Sonics aren't looking for much no matter what
> their
> > face base say. The Sonics hired a new GM last
> week.
> > He's first order of business was to cut salary.
> Now
> > some may reason that Rashard Lewis could sign with
> > another team without doing a sign-in-trade with
> the
> > Sonics. This is true but Rashard is looking to get
> > paid in order to get the max amount of money he
> has
> > to
> > do a sign-in-trade.
> > 
> > "People have Rashard going to Houston, Orlando,
> New
> > York? Those teams don't have what the Sonics would
> > be
> > looking for in a sign-in-trade. The Sonics don't
> > want
> > to add on any long term contracts. I don't they
> > would
> > be interested in package that would involve Hedo
> > Turkoglu and Tony Battie, both contract are for 3
> > more
> > years and are the only two player who price would
> > match up to what Rashard Lewis will be looking
> for.
> > The best Houston can do without trading either
> T-Mac
> > or Yao. Is Juwan Howard with 2 year left and Shane
> > Battier for 4 years left.
> > 
> > "The team with the best to offer for both Rashard
> > Lewis and the Sonics is the Celtics. Boston has
> the
> > expiring contracts in Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes and
> > Delonte West. They can offer a 1st round draft
> pick
> > in
> > 08. As a team Rashard can play alongside Paul
> > Pierce,
> > Al Jefferson and his understudy Gerald Green. The
> Cs
> > have the most talent of any of the team other
> teams
> > mention to get Rashard. Yes Rashard want to get
> paid
> > but he also wants to win. He not going to be able
> to
> > do that with the Sonics. Not in the stack Western
> > Conference."
> > 
> > 
> >        
> >
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