Celtics Could Have Joe Johnson, But They Rather Have The 5th Pick And Rashard Lewis

Tue Jun 12 15:39:47 CDT 2007

I don't disagree with any of that. If we don't take Noah, I'm OK with
Yi. At least he actually gives us some size. I agree also on Brewer and
Thornton. I'm not down on either guy as prospects. I just don't think
they fill a need for the Celtics at all.

If the C's get Rashard Lewis, I think the best move is to trade Pierce
for frontcourt help, but they won't do that.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
Behalf Of Way Of The Ray
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 4:28 PM
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Subject: RE: Celtics Could Have Joe Johnson,But They Rather Have The 5th
Pick And Rashard Lewis

Mark,
I can't believe Atlanta would trade JJ for anything 
less than Jefferson, but stranger things have
happened draft day. It depends, I suppose,
how badly they want Conley.

The Lewis rumor is more than a message board
concoction - Egg, Bulpett, and Shira have all 
mentioned him.

As far as size goes, that's why Ainge wants to take
Yi at 5, and trade for Lewis. Might not be the 
best defensive frontcourt around, but great size and
scoring with Jefferson, Yi, and Lewis.

I'd rather see Garnett, O'Neal, or Gasol than Lewis,
but you might be able to acquire him without giving up
the 5th pick, so they can select Yi too.

Though, the rumors are rampant that the Hawks are
drafting  Yi at 3. 

The high salary for Lewis, yeah, but that's the
penalty you pay for doing a sign and trade. 

Also, I think the Lewis deal would be Theo, Delonte,
Boston unprotected first, and the Minnesota pick
perhaps.

Noah is a good energy/chemistry guy, a complimentary
player - Yi, has a chance to be a Bargnaini-Gasol
hybrid type.  Thornton can be a high scoring, good
rebounding SG/SF. Won't surprise, if he's not a 20
point scorer by his third year or sooner. Brewer
should be Prince at least.

Ray

--- "Berry, Mark  S" <berrym at BATTELLE.ORG> wrote:

> OK, I'll chime in on all this ... 
> 
> First of all, it's probably much ado about nothing.
> It's a message board
> rumor. But let's play along ... 
> 
> Rashard Lewis for basically nothing (other than
> Delonte, but I'm putting
> aside my personal feelings for Delonte ... ) ...
> Well, we're not really
> getting him for nothing. Theo's contract has real
> value in trades, and
> Lewis will want a max deal. Are we willing to burn
> those assets (Theo's
> contract, Delonte) and that kind of salary (we'd
> have $40 million tied
> up in Pierce, Wally and Lewis -- who all play the
> same position) on a
> guy who doesn't really fill any need. I'm not
> entirely opposed to this
> move, but we need to have some corresponding moves
> set up to configure
> the team correctly. This one strikes me more as
> continued "asset
> collection" instead of team building. We need to
> start focusing on team
> building.
> 
> Joe Johnson and 11 for 5 and Gerald (and Theo
> presumably) ... This one
> is interesting. If we're just planning to take Corey
> Brewer at 5, then
> I'd be very inclined to do this deal. Personally,
> I'm a Noah guy ... but
> it sounds like the Celtics aren't (he's never
> mentioned in the "six
> prospects under consideration" references). This
> still isn't a perfect
> fit -- especially if we do something ridiculous and
> take Al Thornton at
> 11. We need a big for that Perk/Gomes spot that's
> killing us. Joe
> Johnson would be a nice 2 to play with Pierce at 3
> and Al at 4. That
> gives us three legitimate NBA starters. If we can
> turn 11 and others
> into an upgrade at 4/5, I could go for this one. I
> like Joe Johnson
> better than Rashard Lewis for this team.
> 
> I'm upset, however, that all of this talk still
> centers on swingmen.
> Enough. Get us some legitimate NBA size. Perk,
> Gomes, Scalabrine, Powe
> ... There's a problem there.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> Behalf Of Way Of The Ray
> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:39 PM
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> Subject: Celtics Could Have Joe Johnson,But They
> Rather Have The 5th
> Pick And Rashard Lewis
> 
> The always entertaining and interesting Celtic
> Thug...
> 
> http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=672681
> 
> "I mention yesterday that they top three teams had
> contacted the Celtics regarding the #5 pick. Both
> Portland and Atlanta wants Mike Conley.
> 
> "However Danny Ainge isn't incline to deal with
> Portland because he was told by ownership in no case
> whatsoever they wanted to deal with Zach Randolph.
> They feel that Danny got burned as year by Blazer GM
> Kevin Pritchard in trading for Telfair who had turn
> out to have issues both on and off the court.
> Telfair
> has even lost support in the locker room. Danny
> isn't
> going to be allowed to make that mistake again. Not
> with such a young team.
> 
> "As I mention before Atlanta has also contacted
> Boston
> about the #5 pick. Boston and Atlanta has gone as
> far
> as making a tentative agreement. Where Boston would
> land Joe Johnson among others for the#5 and Gerald
> Green. Atlanta wants Conley Jr. But aren't willing
> to
> take him with the 3rd pick. If they were to land
> Boston 5th pick they can get both of there guys. The
> only problem now for Atlanta is Boston has better
> options too choose from.
> 
> "That better option right now is going after Rashard
> Lewis in a sign-in-trade deal with the Sonics. They
> Sonics aren't looking for much no matter what their
> face base say. The Sonics hired a new GM last week.
> He's first order of business was to cut salary. Now
> some may reason that Rashard Lewis could sign with
> another team without doing a sign-in-trade with the
> Sonics. This is true but Rashard is looking to get
> paid in order to get the max amount of money he has
> to
> do a sign-in-trade.
> 
> "People have Rashard going to Houston, Orlando, New
> York? Those teams don't have what the Sonics would
> be
> looking for in a sign-in-trade. The Sonics don't
> want
> to add on any long term contracts. I don't they
> would
> be interested in package that would involve Hedo
> Turkoglu and Tony Battie, both contract are for 3
> more
> years and are the only two player who price would
> match up to what Rashard Lewis will be looking for.
> The best Houston can do without trading either T-Mac
> or Yao. Is Juwan Howard with 2 year left and Shane
> Battier for 4 years left.
> 
> "The team with the best to offer for both Rashard
> Lewis and the Sonics is the Celtics. Boston has the
> expiring contracts in Theo Ratliff, Ryan Gomes and
> Delonte West. They can offer a 1st round draft pick
> in
> 08. As a team Rashard can play alongside Paul
> Pierce,
> Al Jefferson and his understudy Gerald Green. The Cs
> have the most talent of any of the team other teams
> mention to get Rashard. Yes Rashard want to get paid
> but he also wants to win. He not going to be able to
> do that with the Sonics. Not in the stack Western
> Conference."
> 
> 
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