Revisionist History
Ryan W
ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 2 11:45:00 CDT 2007
You're memory's correct, Ryan. In the 2002 series,
Antoine had Keith Van Horn to abuse, so the Walker v.
Martin matchup really wasn't an issue. When they
moved Keith the next year (and picked up Rodney),
that's when it became Walker v. Martin, and as you
recall, it wasn't good for the C's.
Ryan
--- ryan nelson <ryanmnelson at verizon.net> wrote:
> It was the next year when the Celtics got swept by
> the Nets that Martin
> really dominated Antoine. He outscored him 82 to 56
> in the series
> (20.5ppg to 14ppg), which I think was probably worse
> than it looks. I
> remember Martin scoring at will on Antoine down low
> early in the games
> and setting the tone for the series that way (I
> could be wrong about
> that, just my memory, but Martin definitely worked
> 'Toine on 2003 as the
> numbers show. In 2002, I can't recall and the
> numbers seem to say
> otherwise as pointed out by ehmunro)
>
> What made the 2003 match-up seem worse is that
> 'Toine averaged 20 per
> game in the regular season and Martin 17, so one
> picked up his game and
> the other struggled in that series.
>
> I just remember that in that 2003 playoff series
> Toine seemed to have no
> lift and it was the first time I thought he might be
> done or on the
> downside, even though he was only 26. he has not
> aged well.
>
> rmn
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com
> [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> Behalf Of E.H. Munro
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:14 PM
> To: celtics at igtc.com
> Subject: Re: Revisionist History
>
> Those who are ignorant of history should have the
> humility to
> doublecheck the facts before calling the rest of us
> idiots.
>
> On May 31, 2007, at 7:32 PM, PScottman999 wrote:
>
> > "Does anyone actually remember that year or just
> remember the simple
> > statement "they were in the ECF that year"...?? It
> took a
> > superhuman, referees
> > bailing him out of every ill-advised drive through
> five people
> > effort from Paul
> > Pierce for that series to even be close (otherwise
> it would have
> > been a 4-1
> > drubbing)."
>
> In other words, you didn't even watch the games. Are
> you going to
> seriously tell us that "the referees saved Paul" but
> that all the
> Nets free throws (and they shot more than Boston)
> were "earned"? This
> would confirm my long-held belief that the
> loudmouths that post
> drivel like this spent the 2002 ECF cheering for the
> Nets. I guess
> this is the real tragedy of the Thanks Dad years, he
> turned Celtics
> fans into losers. Wyc has multiplied the problem by
> a thousand. Let
> me guess, you were pissed off that the 2002 Celtics
> didn't tank the
> season for a shot at Yao?
>
>
> > "Kenyon Martin was DESTROYING Antoine Walker on
> both ends of the
> > floor. Total
> > and complete domination that would continue until
> both went to
> > different
> > teams."
>
> Oh yeah, Kenyon Martin was "TEH DOMINATERZ" I mean,
> he simply
> overpowered Walker, averaging 14.3 p/g and 5.1 r/g
> on an aFG% of .359
> and .849 PP/FGA. I mean that's Olajuwonesque
> dominance right there,
> that is. Walker, meanwhile, averaged a paltry
> 22.5/9.8 on an aFG% .
> 439 and .943 PP/FGA. Truly, Martin dominated him to
> a degree never
> seen in NBA history.
>
>
> > "Kenny Anderson was also being absolutely
> destroyed by Jason Kidd
> > - near
> > triple double every night. Delk had one good
> defensive game against
> > him if I
> > remember correctly - the rest of the time Kidd did
> whatever he
> > wanted."
>
> This is the only correct statement in your
> revisionist history.
>
> > "That series taught the entire league how to
> defend the Celtics.
> > From that
> > point on they stayed back, let Walker bomb from
> long range (or put
> > a physical
> > big on him on the few instances he went down low),
> baited Pierce to
> > drive
> > bringing over the weakside guard for the
> inevitable strip, and let
> > everyone else
> > shoot whenever they wanted. They also knew at
> crunch time pushing
> > the ball up
> > didn't allow Harter's blitz to effectively work
> causing confusion
> > by Blount,
> > Battie, et al to lose their man for dunk after
> dunk after dunk;
> > and if they
> > were set up to defend, they'd high screen and
> roll, quickly reverse
> > the ball
> > to the weak side, and hit the cutting big for
> again, the dunk (all
> > while we
> > were chucking up 3 after 3 after 3 - when we hit a
> good percentage
> > - we won,
> > because 3 is duh, more then 2, but if we didn't
> hit a high
> > percentage of threes
> > a dunk percentage ALWAYS beats missed 3s
> percentage)."
>
> Really? You're seriously claiming that the entire
> NBA scored at will
> on the 7th best defensive squad in the league? Boy,
> the other 22
> teams must have *really* sucked defensively, eh? And
> the slight drop-
> off in offensive efficiency had zero to do with
> their replacement of
> Kenny Anderson with J.R. fucking Bremer? Nothing to
> do with their
> replacement of Rodney Rogers with Ginny Baker, who
> spent most of the
> year in rehab? I mean, really? Revisionist history
> indeed. And a
> pathetic one, at that.
>
> E.H. Munro
>
> "I have never been comfortable with people comparing
> politicians to
> whores. After all, whores are hard working, rarely
> think that they're
> better than you, never call the cops on you, and
> never force you to
> hire their cousin Bernie. All in all I think the
> world might be a
> better place if politicians were more like whores."
>
>
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