Oh, you can hear Jimi, but you can't feel Jimi

[Ryan W]

--- "Ryan, Patrick S Maj RES USAFR 439 MSG"
<Patrick.Ryan at westover.af.mil> wrote:

> SNIP  I have watched every game since Antoine's
> rookie year. - RMN
>  
> You say this like it's some sort of unique and
> definitive confirmation of
> your post versus anyone else's (and you've said
> similar in the past).  Being
> that this is a pretty hardcore Celtic fan board I
> think that pretty much
> everyone here over the age of 18 has watched every
> game since Antoine's
> rookie year.  So saying that really doesn't add any
> additional credence to
> an argument.  As a guy who I regularly see doing
> solid stat research; stick
> with that as your bread and butter.

As RMN said, it was some guy named Ryan W who said
that.  And I said it not to add credence to my point,
but to add perspective, as the original poster had
questioned the list's ability to remember all the way
back to 2002.  Obviously most of us have been watching
a lot longer than that and that was my point: the
poster was making an incorrect assumption.

>  
> Whether it was the trade the next year or style of
> play, that ECF team had
> peaked. The "one shot" I think Jim Hill spoke of,
> that venture capitalists
> take when they think they have a chance to win -
> that was it. Weak team in a
> weak conference, using a gimmick offense and good
> defense (although very
> exploitable by a good passing team), and funneling
> every single set through
> two players.  Even if they'd brought back everybody,
> including Rodney
> Rogers, that wasn't a team that was going to be
> Finals contenders for the
> usual 3-4 year window. 

I love how you can go an entire paragraph disparaging
the chances of that ECF finalist team without
mentioning that it was blown up for an alcoholic that
summer and that the season that followed, which ended
with a second-round playoff loss, was then followed
with Danny Ainge's arrival and the crap trade that
brought Raef's bloated ass.  So, as you see it, we had
peaked.  As I see it, we were dismantled by two
horrible, short-sighted trades which left us with an
alcoholic power forward and injury-prone unathletic
3-point shooting power forward and no cap room.  That
team didn't peak; it was taken out back and shot by
derelict owners and management.  If intact, we could
have made at least 2 more runs at the Championship (by
saying this I assume we wouldn't have facilitated
Detroit's 2004 Championship by trading Atkins).  You
can say we peaked, which may have been true, but we'll
never know because the team was dismantled by a series
of poor decisions.  Even Rodney Rodgers was an
effective player that next year; an intergral piece
that got the Nets to the Finals.  And for all the
revisionists out there, let me get this out too: we
actually played the Lakers well during their
championship years.  We were a better matchup than the
Nets and possibly could have made things interesting.

> As far as the "axe to grind" with Pierce comment -
> as currently set up the
> Celtics are not going to be able to surround Pierce
> with the talent
> necessary in the next 2-3 years to reach his stated
> goals (unless we get a
> miracle and someone does trade us Kevin Garnett for
> 10 cents on the dollar
> so we can also keep Pierce and Jefferson)...so is it
> an axe to grind or a
> blessing to explore trading him (especially if he
> winds up on a contender)?
>  

You're wrong.  We have a chance right now if we make
the right trade and get lucky with our player
development (like Detroit has been...if you think
about it, Prince and Tony are about equal in terms of
talent, only Tony has been injured twice and Prince
has been injury-free....that's the kind of luck we
need for now on).  And I'm not about facilitating
trades for Pierce to get him on a contender; I'm about
facilitating trades that make the C's a contender with
Pierce.  


       
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