Good possibly great trade

Sun Jul 1 13:28:06 CDT 2007

...I'll be satisfied. I still think the team wildly underperformed, mostly
because of coaching and point guard play.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Josh Ozersky" <jozersky at optonline.net>
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 2:22 PM
Subject: Re: Good possibly great trade

>I don't think we need KG. A team with three all-NBA type players, including
> arguably the best all-around big man in the game, would obviously be a
> favorite
> to win the title, but you'd have to be wary indeed to be unwilling to go 
> to
> war
> without that kind of firepower. If Ainge can bring in an athletic,
> shotblocking
> big man on the order of AK-47, Marcus Camby, or even, say, Dasagna Diop.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sean Giovanello" <giovanello at gmail.com>
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Good possibly great trade
>
>
>> Josh, I think the big problem with the deal that many people have is that
>> it
>> was likely it for major moves for the Celtics this year.  Given cap and
>> tax
>> issues, there isnt likely to be another trade of that magnitude leading 
>> to
>> a
>> fear that this is the team we go to war with.  Maybe the Chinese Brad
>> Lohaus
>> might have been better if it had paved the way for a deal in August or
>> January for the big piece we need.   Then again, maybe the ownership
>> decides
>> to go for it and deals Al and Ratliff for a veteran who negates the need
>> to
>> use Ratliff's salary for Al's extension.
>>
>> If this is all part of a move that nets us KG and you go to war with KG,
>> Allen, and Pierce then I am 100% on board with it.  I just fear that this
>> will be one more half measure with this team that keeps cycling us from
>> borderline playoff team to awful team as the years go by.
>>
>> On 7/1/07, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have to say, I'm with Tom all the way on this, and am frankly 
>>> surprised
>>> that
>>> Mark Berry, Simmons, and so many other Celtics fans are down on the
>>> trade.
>>> This draft had two superstars and a consolation prize. I'm especially
>>> surprised
>>> at Simmons. All of a sudden he'd rather have "the Chinese Brad Lohaus"
>>> than
>>> the 2nd best pure off guard in basketball? Are you freaking kidding me? 
>>> I
>>> was
>>> disappointed that Swift wasn't included, but I expect that we'll be
>>> aquriring a
>>> shot-blocker of some kind to start alongside Jefferson. AK47 would be
>>> great,
>>> but I'd be happy with some kind of defensive specialist -- maybe a big
>>> man
>>> on
>>> the downside of his career, a la Alonzo Mourning or Dikembe Mutumbo when
>>> they were with Miami and Philadelphia. I could defend this on basketball
>>> terms,
>>> but for me it comes down to a more personal issue: after twenty years of
>>> fanatic
>>> devotion to the team, this was the year they almost lost me. Unlike a 
>>> lot
>>> of
>>> the
>>> people on this list, I still believe in Ainge, but all the deaths and
>>> departures have
>>> attenuated my devotion, and the combination of the lottery and Doc's
>>> failure
>>> to create a running team have basically worn me out. I need the Celtics
>>> to
>>> be
>>> good again now. Any decent team could have been in the finals this past
>>> year.
>>> If Jefferson gets his touches and Allen and Pierce flourish playing off
>>> each
>>> other,
>>> a roaming rim defender could help us a lot with the new zone rules. Nor
>>> do
>>> I
>>> expect Jefferson and Perkins to be defensively helpless forever. I have
>>> no
>>> doubt
>>> under a better coaching staff they would already be solid defensively.
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Tom Murphy" <tfmiii at worldnet.att.net>
>>> To: "Celtic list" <celtics at igtc.com>
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:10 AM
>>> Subject: Good possibly great trade
>>>
>>>
>>> > After giving the matter some thought, I find it hard to believe that
>>> > picking up a 7 time all-star two-guard in his prime in exchange for a
>>> > combo guard, a draft pick and a big contract for a player who never 
>>> > fit
>>> is
>>> > somehow a step backwards.
>>> >
>>> > To address the fears of many: 32 is not 35 or even 34. Allen should
>>> > have
>>> > several more great years and a few good ones after that left in the
>>> tank.
>>> > And bone spurs are not career threatening - painful, but not
>>> mechanically
>>> > limiting.
>>> >
>>> > Allen is not only a phenomenal player in his own right, but he
>>> solidifies
>>> > our rotation by pushing Pierce back to his natural position at SF. Our
>>> > offense is instantly diversified. Our defense is improved, as much by
>>> > subtraction as by addition, as neither Pierce nor Wally couldn't stay
>>> > in
>>> > front of two-guards nor Delonte in front of points.
>>> >
>>> > And the gravy to this whole deal is that we have our youth movement
>>> still
>>> > firmly in place, only having sacrificed Delonte. (And if it came down
>>> who
>>> > to pay after this season I think most would agree it would be Al 
>>> > before
>>> > Delonte).
>>> >
>>> > Now that we are actually players in the East, other potential pieces 
>>> > of
>>> > the puzzle will no longer view us as a leper colony. Just one more 
>>> > good
>>> > trade and we could be favorites to head to the finals. Great move,
>>> > can't
>>> > wait for the next one to solidify our contender status.
>>> >
>>> > If Denver is serious about dumping salary we may be able to pry Marcus
>>> > Camby (33 yrs old, three more years on his deal) from them for not 
>>> > much
>>> > more than Theo's contract - keeping Al while adding Garnett-lite. 
>>> > Camby
>>> > and Evans (4 year deal) for Theo works straight up. Or possibly Camby
>>> and
>>> > a sign-trade for Steve Blake (Gene would have to smile at that, no?)
>>> > for
>>> > Theo. I would imagine in either scenario we would have to part with an
>>> > addition asset (pick/player or both) but neither deal is pie in the
>>> > sky.
>>> > And either deal would make us pre-season contenders for the
>>> championship.
>>> >
>>> > I can understand that people are sad to see Delonte go, or to have
>>> dreams
>>> > of UPPPPP-side fizzle with the trading of the #5 pick. Funny, but the
>>> one
>>> > think most people will agree Ainge understands is the draft and in the
>>> > last two he has basically said that after the first few picks you are
>>> > as
>>> > likely to get a star in the second round as in the first. I don't know
>>> > much about Big Baby, but from the buzz I've heard that may well be
>>> correct
>>> > about this draft. (I already know that Rajon is easily as valuable as
>>> any
>>> > of the top picks from the last draft.) Don't let the lack of national
>>> > media exposure fool you about the value of the player we just 
>>> > acquired.
>>> > This is an exciting time to be a Celtics fan.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers - TomM
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