Good possibly great trade

Sun Jul 1 13:22:16 CDT 2007

I don't think we need KG. A team with three all-NBA type players, including
arguably the best all-around big man in the game, would obviously be a 
favorite
to win the title, but you'd have to be wary indeed to be unwilling to go to 
war
without that kind of firepower. If Ainge can bring in an athletic, 
shotblocking
big man on the order of AK-47, Marcus Camby, or even, say, Dasagna Diop.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Giovanello" <giovanello at gmail.com>
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2007 1:37 PM
Subject: Re: Good possibly great trade


> Josh, I think the big problem with the deal that many people have is that 
> it
> was likely it for major moves for the Celtics this year.  Given cap and 
> tax
> issues, there isnt likely to be another trade of that magnitude leading to 
> a
> fear that this is the team we go to war with.  Maybe the Chinese Brad 
> Lohaus
> might have been better if it had paved the way for a deal in August or
> January for the big piece we need.   Then again, maybe the ownership 
> decides
> to go for it and deals Al and Ratliff for a veteran who negates the need 
> to
> use Ratliff's salary for Al's extension.
>
> If this is all part of a move that nets us KG and you go to war with KG,
> Allen, and Pierce then I am 100% on board with it.  I just fear that this
> will be one more half measure with this team that keeps cycling us from
> borderline playoff team to awful team as the years go by.
>
> On 7/1/07, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have to say, I'm with Tom all the way on this, and am frankly surprised
>> that
>> Mark Berry, Simmons, and so many other Celtics fans are down on the 
>> trade.
>> This draft had two superstars and a consolation prize. I'm especially
>> surprised
>> at Simmons. All of a sudden he'd rather have "the Chinese Brad Lohaus"
>> than
>> the 2nd best pure off guard in basketball? Are you freaking kidding me? I
>> was
>> disappointed that Swift wasn't included, but I expect that we'll be
>> aquriring a
>> shot-blocker of some kind to start alongside Jefferson. AK47 would be
>> great,
>> but I'd be happy with some kind of defensive specialist -- maybe a big 
>> man
>> on
>> the downside of his career, a la Alonzo Mourning or Dikembe Mutumbo when
>> they were with Miami and Philadelphia. I could defend this on basketball
>> terms,
>> but for me it comes down to a more personal issue: after twenty years of
>> fanatic
>> devotion to the team, this was the year they almost lost me. Unlike a lot
>> of
>> the
>> people on this list, I still believe in Ainge, but all the deaths and
>> departures have
>> attenuated my devotion, and the combination of the lottery and Doc's
>> failure
>> to create a running team have basically worn me out. I need the Celtics 
>> to
>> be
>> good again now. Any decent team could have been in the finals this past
>> year.
>> If Jefferson gets his touches and Allen and Pierce flourish playing off
>> each
>> other,
>> a roaming rim defender could help us a lot with the new zone rules. Nor 
>> do
>> I
>> expect Jefferson and Perkins to be defensively helpless forever. I have 
>> no
>> doubt
>> under a better coaching staff they would already be solid defensively.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Tom Murphy" <tfmiii at worldnet.att.net>
>> To: "Celtic list" <celtics at igtc.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:10 AM
>> Subject: Good possibly great trade
>>
>>
>> > After giving the matter some thought, I find it hard to believe that
>> > picking up a 7 time all-star two-guard in his prime in exchange for a
>> > combo guard, a draft pick and a big contract for a player who never fit
>> is
>> > somehow a step backwards.
>> >
>> > To address the fears of many: 32 is not 35 or even 34. Allen should 
>> > have
>> > several more great years and a few good ones after that left in the
>> tank.
>> > And bone spurs are not career threatening - painful, but not
>> mechanically
>> > limiting.
>> >
>> > Allen is not only a phenomenal player in his own right, but he
>> solidifies
>> > our rotation by pushing Pierce back to his natural position at SF. Our
>> > offense is instantly diversified. Our defense is improved, as much by
>> > subtraction as by addition, as neither Pierce nor Wally couldn't stay 
>> > in
>> > front of two-guards nor Delonte in front of points.
>> >
>> > And the gravy to this whole deal is that we have our youth movement
>> still
>> > firmly in place, only having sacrificed Delonte. (And if it came down
>> who
>> > to pay after this season I think most would agree it would be Al before
>> > Delonte).
>> >
>> > Now that we are actually players in the East, other potential pieces of
>> > the puzzle will no longer view us as a leper colony. Just one more good
>> > trade and we could be favorites to head to the finals. Great move, 
>> > can't
>> > wait for the next one to solidify our contender status.
>> >
>> > If Denver is serious about dumping salary we may be able to pry Marcus
>> > Camby (33 yrs old, three more years on his deal) from them for not much
>> > more than Theo's contract - keeping Al while adding Garnett-lite. Camby
>> > and Evans (4 year deal) for Theo works straight up. Or possibly Camby
>> and
>> > a sign-trade for Steve Blake (Gene would have to smile at that, no?) 
>> > for
>> > Theo. I would imagine in either scenario we would have to part with an
>> > addition asset (pick/player or both) but neither deal is pie in the 
>> > sky.
>> > And either deal would make us pre-season contenders for the
>> championship.
>> >
>> > I can understand that people are sad to see Delonte go, or to have
>> dreams
>> > of UPPPPP-side fizzle with the trading of the #5 pick. Funny, but the
>> one
>> > think most people will agree Ainge understands is the draft and in the
>> > last two he has basically said that after the first few picks you are 
>> > as
>> > likely to get a star in the second round as in the first. I don't know
>> > much about Big Baby, but from the buzz I've heard that may well be
>> correct
>> > about this draft. (I already know that Rajon is easily as valuable as
>> any
>> > of the top picks from the last draft.) Don't let the lack of national
>> > media exposure fool you about the value of the player we just acquired.
>> > This is an exciting time to be a Celtics fan.
>> >
>> > Cheers - TomM
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