Good possibly great trade

Sun Jul 1 13:13:08 CDT 2007

Was reading lately that none other than that noted doofus Robert Parish 
stated how much he thought Al was going to improve his D by working more 
with Clifford Ray.  It may have been in a post on JB's list.  He also said 
he really liked Gerald Green and what he can do for the team.

I think we all know that the team which is presented on opening night could 
be different from what we now have, so maybe we would be better served to 
wait before haning Ainge in effigy.

Cecil (why wait says Eggy)

>From: Ryan W <ubiquitous_am_i at yahoo.com>

>
>Yes, Sean, that's the question.  I was hoping this
>morning to read of Ainge showing up on Free Agent
>Player X's doorstep at 12:01 a.m. to make him an
>offer.  Maybe he did but it wasn't reported....
>
>One thing I'd be very leary of would be letting Theo
>play out his contract with the C's.  Yes, players in
>their contract years have a way of turning it on and,
>if healthy, Theo is EXACTLY what we need.  However,
>we're already banking on Ray Allen, Pierce, Al,
>Kendrick, and Tony Allen having healthy years if we
>hope to contend.  I don't feel comfortable making a
>healthy Ratliffe a part of that hope....nor am I happy
>arguing that Theo's money is needed to resign Big Al.
>If that's the case, then we'll be waiting on Big Al
>and Kendrick to become good defensive players,
>something I think has a decent chance of happening,
>but something that probably won't happen until after
>Pierce and Allen start fading.  We need to respect
>timing, and make sure we have a veteran defensive
>player in place for this year.  I just don't like
>gambling on Theo...the more we keep gambling on
>injured players being healthy the greater the chance
>of losing that bet...
>
>Ryan
>--- Sean Giovanello <giovanello at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Josh, I think the big problem with the deal that
> > many people have is that it
> > was likely it for major moves for the Celtics this
> > year.  Given cap and tax
> > issues, there isnt likely to be another trade of
> > that magnitude leading to a
> > fear that this is the team we go to war with.  Maybe
> > the Chinese Brad Lohaus
> > might have been better if it had paved the way for a
> > deal in August or
> > January for the big piece we need.   Then again,
> > maybe the ownership decides
> > to go for it and deals Al and Ratliff for a veteran
> > who negates the need to
> > use Ratliff's salary for Al's extension.
> >
> > If this is all part of a move that nets us KG and
> > you go to war with KG,
> > Allen, and Pierce then I am 100% on board with it.
> > I just fear that this
> > will be one more half measure with this team that
> > keeps cycling us from
> > borderline playoff team to awful team as the years
> > go by.
> >
> > On 7/1/07, Josh Ozersky <jozersky at optonline.net>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > I have to say, I'm with Tom all the way on this,
> > and am frankly surprised
> > > that
> > > Mark Berry, Simmons, and so many other Celtics
> > fans are down on the trade.
> > > This draft had two superstars and a consolation
> > prize. I'm especially
> > > surprised
> > > at Simmons. All of a sudden he'd rather have "the
> > Chinese Brad Lohaus"
> > > than
> > > the 2nd best pure off guard in basketball? Are you
> > freaking kidding me? I
> > > was
> > > disappointed that Swift wasn't included, but I
> > expect that we'll be
> > > aquriring a
> > > shot-blocker of some kind to start alongside
> > Jefferson. AK47 would be
> > > great,
> > > but I'd be happy with some kind of defensive
> > specialist -- maybe a big man
> > > on
> > > the downside of his career, a la Alonzo Mourning
> > or Dikembe Mutumbo when
> > > they were with Miami and Philadelphia. I could
> > defend this on basketball
> > > terms,
> > > but for me it comes down to a more personal issue:
> > after twenty years of
> > > fanatic
> > > devotion to the team, this was the year they
> > almost lost me. Unlike a lot
> > > of
> > > the
> > > people on this list, I still believe in Ainge, but
> > all the deaths and
> > > departures have
> > > attenuated my devotion, and the combination of the
> > lottery and Doc's
> > > failure
> > > to create a running team have basically worn me
> > out. I need the Celtics to
> > > be
> > > good again now. Any decent team could have been in
> > the finals this past
> > > year.
> > > If Jefferson gets his touches and Allen and Pierce
> > flourish playing off
> > > each
> > > other,
> > > a roaming rim defender could help us a lot with
> > the new zone rules. Nor do
> > > I
> > > expect Jefferson and Perkins to be defensively
> > helpless forever. I have no
> > > doubt
> > > under a better coaching staff they would already
> > be solid defensively.
> > >
> > > Josh
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tom Murphy" <tfmiii at worldnet.att.net>
> > > To: "Celtic list" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 10:10 AM
> > > Subject: Good possibly great trade
> > >
> > >
> > > > After giving the matter some thought, I find it
> > hard to believe that
> > > > picking up a 7 time all-star two-guard in his
> > prime in exchange for a
> > > > combo guard, a draft pick and a big contract for
> > a player who never fit
> > > is
> > > > somehow a step backwards.
> > > >
> > > > To address the fears of many: 32 is not 35 or
> > even 34. Allen should have
> > > > several more great years and a few good ones
> > after that left in the
> > > tank.
> > > > And bone spurs are not career threatening -
> > painful, but not
> > > mechanically
> > > > limiting.
> > > >
> > > > Allen is not only a phenomenal player in his own
> > right, but he
> > > solidifies
> > > > our rotation by pushing Pierce back to his
> > natural position at SF. Our
> > > > offense is instantly diversified. Our defense is
> > improved, as much by
> > > > subtraction as by addition, as neither Pierce
> > nor Wally couldn't stay in
> > > > front of two-guards nor Delonte in front of
> > points.
> > > >
> > > > And the gravy to this whole deal is that we have
> > our youth movement
> > > still
> > > > firmly in place, only having sacrificed Delonte.
> > (And if it came down
> > > who
> > > > to pay after this season I think most would
> > agree it would be Al before
> > > > Delonte).
> > > >
> > > > Now that we are actually players in the East,
> > other potential pieces of
> > > > the puzzle will no longer view us as a leper
> > colony. Just one more good
> > > > trade and we could be favorites to head to the
> > finals. Great move, can't
> > > > wait for the next one to solidify our contender
> > status.
> > > >
> > > > If Denver is serious about dumping salary we may
> > be able to pry Marcus
> > > > Camby (33 yrs old, three more years on his deal)
> > from them for not much
> > > > more than Theo's contract - keeping Al while
> > adding Garnett-lite. Camby
> > > > and Evans (4 year deal) for Theo works straight
> > up. Or possibly Camby
> > > and
> > > > a sign-trade for Steve Blake (Gene would have to
> > smile at that, no?) for
> > > > Theo. I would imagine in either scenario we
> > would have to part with an
> > > > addition asset (pick/player or both) but neither
> > deal is pie in the sky.
> > > > And either deal would make us pre-season
> > contenders for the
> > > championship.
> > > >
> > > > I can understand that people are sad to see
> > Delonte go, or to have
> > > dreams
> > > > of UPPPPP-side fizzle with the trading of the #5
> > pick. Funny, but the
> > > one
> > > > think most people will agree Ainge understands
> > is the draft and in the
> > > > last two he has basically said that after the
> > first few picks you are as
> > > > likely to get a star in the second round as in
> > the first. I don't know
> > > > much about Big Baby, but from the buzz I've
> > heard that may well be
> > > correct
> > > > about this draft. (I already know that Rajon is
> > easily as valuable as
> > > any
> > > > of the top picks from the last draft.) Don't let
> > the lack of national
> > > > media exposure fool you about the value of the
> > player we just acquired.
> > > > This is an exciting time to be a Celtics fan.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers - TomM
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