_It's_not_easy_being_Green_

[Jeff White]

The clock is ticking with Pierce, and we can't afford to wait for all these
kids (Perk, Green, Rondo) to grow up, unfortunately.




On 1/29/07, Berry, Mark S <berrym at battelle.org> wrote:
>
> Yeah, it could be Gomes. Either one. That's a pretty good package, and
> leaves the Celts with Pierce, Gasol, Jefferson, West, Rondo, Allen and
> either Perk or Gomes. I'd even consider replacing Telfair with Rondo,
> although I'd hate to do it. But 7-footers as good as Gasol -- and he's
> only 26 -- just don't become available very often.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 9:11 AM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>
> That's along the lines of what I was thinking, except for maybe swapping
>
> Gomes in for Perk. It would still be nice to have a true C around.
>
> Steve O
>
> Berry, Mark S wrote:
> > He's better than you're giving him credit for. He's very good. He'd be
> > great beside Al. I'd offer Ratliff, Green, Telfair and Perk with the
> > Minny pick. It all depends on how much they like Green. If the reports
> > around draft time are true, Jerry West was a HUGE Green fan.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> > Behalf Of Josh Ozersky
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:50 AM
> > To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
> >
> > I don't love Gasol.  How many players in the NBA
> > have rejected his shot?  He's very soft, and his skill
> > set doesn't make up for his lack of athleticism.  I don't
> > see trading a high lottery pick for him, not this year.
> > Nor do I see him making a big difference he you did.
> > Jefferson is already becoming a 20-10 guy and just
> > scratching the surface.  Unless we can get Gasol for
> > spare parts (i.e. Ratliff and Green) I say forget it.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym at BATTELLE.ORG>
> > To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:04 AM
> > Subject: RE: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
> >
> >
> >
> >> I love Gasol, but I would NOT trade Jefferson for him. Or this year's
> >> No. 1. Anything else would be on the table.
> >>
> >> Mark
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> >> Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
> >> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:51 PM
> >> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> >> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
> >>
> >> Crap. Gasol's shot blocking numbers are better than I thought off the
>
> >> top of my head ... but if you factor in minutes played, Al and Gasol
> >>
> > are
> >
> >> virtually even.
> >>
> >> OK, but then Al's rebounding is clearly better. More than 2 per game
> >> this year, and the career rate (per minute) is also similarlh better.
> >>
> >> Yes, Gasol handles the ball better and has more consistent range, but
>
> >> the two guys duplicate in a lot of areas.
> >>
> >> Steve O
> >>
> >> ryan nelson wrote:
> >>
> >>> Gasol had the 9th most blocked shots in the league last year and has
> >>> averaged 1.8 per game over his career.
> >>>
> >>> Al jefferson's career blocks per game is less than 1 with a high of
> >>>
> >> 1.5
> >>
> >>> this year.
> >>>
> >>> I wouldn't call al a better shot blocker, unless by better you mean
> >>> worse.
> >>>
> >>> rmn
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> >>> Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
> >>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:07 PM
> >>> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> >>> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
> >>>
> >>> I think I disagree with almost everything Ryan says :-) Gasol is not
> >>>
> > a
> >
> >>> great defender either, and Al is a better shot blocker, and as good
> >>>
> > or
> >
> >>> better in the low post and on the glass. Yes, Gasol is clearly a
> >>>
> >> better
> >>
> >>> player right now, but not by a huge amount. Al very well may never
> >>>
> > get
> >
> >>> there, but he is gaining.
> >>>
> >>> And if you said Al and Gasol could split the 4 and 5 spots I would
> >>>
> > buy
> >
> >>> it, but there's no way Gasol plays the 3. He get telfaired on
> defense
> >>>
> >
> >
> >>> every night.
> >>>
> >>> Steve O
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ryan nelson wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Jefferson is nowhere near the ball handler, passer, or defender
> >>>>
> > gasol
> >
> >>>> is.  It could work by having Gasol dominate the 3 spot and letting
> >>>>
> > Al
> >
> >>>> clog up the inside.  Alternatively, jefferson could try guarding a
> 3
> >>>> since he is so inept at his baseline defense.
> >>>>
> >>>> And as for Al eventually being better than Gasol, I would be
> >>>>
> > shocked.
> >
> >>>> Jefferson is one dimensional at best.
> >>>>
> >>>> rmn
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> >>>> Behalf Of Mark Piotrowski
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:26 PM
> >>>> To: celtics at igtc.com
> >>>> Subject: RE:_It's_not_easy_being_Green_
> >>>>
> >>>> i was gonna write that i was shocked at the number of folks
> thinking
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> Pierce for Gasol is an improvemet (rather than lateral move).  And
> i
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> like Gasol, but i disagree that he's BETTER than Pierce.  At best
> >>>>
> > his
> >
> >>>> equal and i think a small notch below.
> >>>>
> >>>> But i'll entertain that it could be a Stackhouse-Hamilton type
> deal.
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> However --- how woudl Gasol and Jefferson fit?  Seems to me they're
>
> >>>> both low post guys.  Would Gasol stand in the way of Big Al's
> >>>> development (i think Jefferson will be better than Gasol
> eventually)
> >>>>
> >
> >
> >>>> and would Pierce therefore be the better fit with our franchise
> >>>> cornerstone?
> >>>>
> >>>> Wonder what y'all think....
> >>>>
> >>>> (the other) mark
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --------
> >>>> Memphis was 49-33 with a healthy gasol last year in a tough western
> >>>> division.  A 26 year old 7-footer just getting into his prime, who
> >>>>
> >> was
> >>
> >>>> also the mvp of the world tournament, is much more valuable than a
> >>>>
> > 29
> >
> >>>> year old 2 guard/small forward who has hit his ceiling.
> >>>>
> >>>> Pierce + something other than our #1 for gasol (not sure if the $s
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> work)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> would then give us maybe oden/Durant + gasol and al j if we don't
> >>>>
> >> have
> >>
> >>>> to include him in the deal.  I would take that front court any day.
>
> >>>>
> >>>> rmn
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at
> >>>>
> >> igtc.com]
> >>
> >>>> On
> >>>> Behalf Of Jaycelt58 at aol.com
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:24 PM
> >>>> To: celtics at igtc.com
> >>>> Subject: Re:It's not easy being Green
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> QUESTION: Have any of you who are so willing to trade Pierce
> >>>> for  Gasol considered just how pitifully our 1 to 4 yr. players
> >>>> have performed  overall WITHOUT Pierce,   and just how pitifully
> >>>> Memphis has  performed WITH Gasol.    I see desperation among
> >>>> our  listees... as in any trade including Pierce will be good
> >>>> for us.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Eggcentric, the voice of reason?  Who would have ever thunk?
> >>>>
> >>>> Truth is the Grizzlies have almost the same record with Gasol
> (6-16)
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> as
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> they
> >>>> have without (5-18).
> >>>> And one of those losses with Gasol was to the Pierceless Celtics,
> >>>>
> >> one
> >>
> >>>> of the
> >>>> only two wins this group has without Pierce.  Just how that  would
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> lead
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> anyone to the conclusion that this group of Celtics would be better
> >>>> with Gasol
> >>>> instead of Pierce I have no idea.
> >>>> Yes, there is the legitimate argument that an all-star big is more
> >>>> valuable
> >>>> than an all-star swingman, but Gasol doesn't play like your
> >>>>
> > standard
> >
> >>>> big.  He
> >>>> plays much smaller than your textbook 7  footer.
> >>>>
> >>>> If we can get Gasol without giving up Pierce, that's fine.  I don't
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> see
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> the
> >>>> addition of Gasol at the expense of Pierce as an upgrade at  all.
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