_It's_not_easy_being_Green_



Steve Ouellette bosox18 at charter.net
Mon Jan 29 08:10:46 CST 2007 

That's along the lines of what I was thinking, except for maybe swapping 
Gomes in for Perk. It would still be nice to have a true C around.

Steve O

Berry, Mark S wrote:
> He's better than you're giving him credit for. He's very good. He'd be
> great beside Al. I'd offer Ratliff, Green, Telfair and Perk with the
> Minny pick. It all depends on how much they like Green. If the reports
> around draft time are true, Jerry West was a HUGE Green fan.
>
> Mark
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> Behalf Of Josh Ozersky
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:50 AM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>
> I don't love Gasol.  How many players in the NBA
> have rejected his shot?  He's very soft, and his skill
> set doesn't make up for his lack of athleticism.  I don't
> see trading a high lottery pick for him, not this year.
> Nor do I see him making a big difference he you did.
> Jefferson is already becoming a 20-10 guy and just
> scratching the surface.  Unless we can get Gasol for
> spare parts (i.e. Ratliff and Green) I say forget it.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym at BATTELLE.ORG>
> To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:04 AM
> Subject: RE: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>
>
>   
>> I love Gasol, but I would NOT trade Jefferson for him. Or this year's
>> No. 1. Anything else would be on the table.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:51 PM
>> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>>
>> Crap. Gasol's shot blocking numbers are better than I thought off the 
>> top of my head ... but if you factor in minutes played, Al and Gasol
>>     
> are
>   
>> virtually even.
>>
>> OK, but then Al's rebounding is clearly better. More than 2 per game 
>> this year, and the career rate (per minute) is also similarlh better.
>>
>> Yes, Gasol handles the ball better and has more consistent range, but 
>> the two guys duplicate in a lot of areas.
>>
>> Steve O
>>
>> ryan nelson wrote:
>>     
>>> Gasol had the 9th most blocked shots in the league last year and has
>>> averaged 1.8 per game over his career.
>>>
>>> Al jefferson's career blocks per game is less than 1 with a high of
>>>       
>> 1.5
>>     
>>> this year.
>>>
>>> I wouldn't call al a better shot blocker, unless by better you mean
>>> worse.
>>>
>>> rmn
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:07 PM
>>> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>>> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>>>
>>> I think I disagree with almost everything Ryan says :-) Gasol is not
>>>       
> a
>   
>>> great defender either, and Al is a better shot blocker, and as good
>>>       
> or
>   
>>> better in the low post and on the glass. Yes, Gasol is clearly a
>>>       
>> better 
>>     
>>> player right now, but not by a huge amount. Al very well may never
>>>       
> get
>   
>>> there, but he is gaining.
>>>
>>> And if you said Al and Gasol could split the 4 and 5 spots I would
>>>       
> buy
>   
>>> it, but there's no way Gasol plays the 3. He get telfaired on defense
>>>       
>
>   
>>> every night.
>>>
>>> Steve O
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ryan nelson wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Jefferson is nowhere near the ball handler, passer, or defender
>>>>         
> gasol
>   
>>>> is.  It could work by having Gasol dominate the 3 spot and letting
>>>>         
> Al
>   
>>>> clog up the inside.  Alternatively, jefferson could try guarding a 3
>>>> since he is so inept at his baseline defense.
>>>>
>>>> And as for Al eventually being better than Gasol, I would be
>>>>         
> shocked.
>   
>>>> Jefferson is one dimensional at best.
>>>>
>>>> rmn
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>>>> Behalf Of Mark Piotrowski
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:26 PM
>>>> To: celtics at igtc.com
>>>> Subject: RE:_It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>>>>
>>>> i was gonna write that i was shocked at the number of folks thinking
>>>>         
>
>   
>>>> Pierce for Gasol is an improvemet (rather than lateral move).  And i
>>>>         
>
>   
>>>> like Gasol, but i disagree that he's BETTER than Pierce.  At best
>>>>         
> his
>   
>>>> equal and i think a small notch below.
>>>>
>>>> But i'll entertain that it could be a Stackhouse-Hamilton type deal.
>>>>         
>
>   
>>>> However --- how woudl Gasol and Jefferson fit?  Seems to me they're 
>>>> both low post guys.  Would Gasol stand in the way of Big Al's 
>>>> development (i think Jefferson will be better than Gasol eventually)
>>>>         
>
>   
>>>> and would Pierce therefore be the better fit with our franchise 
>>>> cornerstone?
>>>>
>>>> Wonder what y'all think....
>>>>
>>>> (the other) mark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------
>>>> Memphis was 49-33 with a healthy gasol last year in a tough western
>>>> division.  A 26 year old 7-footer just getting into his prime, who
>>>>         
>> was
>>     
>>>> also the mvp of the world tournament, is much more valuable than a
>>>>         
> 29
>   
>>>> year old 2 guard/small forward who has hit his ceiling. 
>>>>
>>>> Pierce + something other than our #1 for gasol (not sure if the $s
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> work)
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> would then give us maybe oden/Durant + gasol and al j if we don't
>>>>         
>> have
>>     
>>>> to include him in the deal.  I would take that front court any day. 
>>>>
>>>> rmn
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at
>>>>         
>> igtc.com]
>>     
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of Jaycelt58 at aol.com
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:24 PM
>>>> To: celtics at igtc.com
>>>> Subject: Re:It's not easy being Green
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> QUESTION: Have any of you who are so willing to trade Pierce
>>>> for  Gasol considered just how pitifully our 1 to 4 yr. players
>>>> have performed  overall WITHOUT Pierce,   and just how pitifully
>>>> Memphis has  performed WITH Gasol.    I see desperation among
>>>> our  listees... as in any trade including Pierce will be good
>>>> for us.   
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eggcentric, the voice of reason?  Who would have ever thunk?
>>>>
>>>> Truth is the Grizzlies have almost the same record with Gasol (6-16)
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> as
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> they
>>>> have without (5-18). 
>>>> And one of those losses with Gasol was to the Pierceless Celtics,
>>>>         
>> one
>>     
>>>> of the
>>>> only two wins this group has without Pierce.  Just how that  would
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> lead
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> anyone to the conclusion that this group of Celtics would be better
>>>> with Gasol
>>>> instead of Pierce I have no idea.
>>>> Yes, there is the legitimate argument that an all-star big is more
>>>> valuable 
>>>> than an all-star swingman, but Gasol doesn't play like your
>>>>         
> standard
>   
>>>> big.  He
>>>> plays much smaller than your textbook 7  footer. 
>>>>
>>>> If we can get Gasol without giving up Pierce, that's fine.  I don't
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> see
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> the
>>>> addition of Gasol at the expense of Pierce as an upgrade at  all.
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