_It's_not_easy_being_Green_

Mon Jan 29 07:54:16 CST 2007

He's better than you're giving him credit for. He's very good. He'd be
great beside Al. I'd offer Ratliff, Green, Telfair and Perk with the
Minny pick. It all depends on how much they like Green. If the reports
around draft time are true, Jerry West was a HUGE Green fan.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
Behalf Of Josh Ozersky
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:50 AM
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Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_

I don't love Gasol.  How many players in the NBA
have rejected his shot?  He's very soft, and his skill
set doesn't make up for his lack of athleticism.  I don't
see trading a high lottery pick for him, not this year.
Nor do I see him making a big difference he you did.
Jefferson is already becoming a 20-10 guy and just
scratching the surface.  Unless we can get Gasol for
spare parts (i.e. Ratliff and Green) I say forget it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym at BATTELLE.ORG>
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_

>I love Gasol, but I would NOT trade Jefferson for him. Or this year's
> No. 1. Anything else would be on the table.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:51 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
> 
> Crap. Gasol's shot blocking numbers are better than I thought off the 
> top of my head ... but if you factor in minutes played, Al and Gasol
are
> 
> virtually even.
> 
> OK, but then Al's rebounding is clearly better. More than 2 per game 
> this year, and the career rate (per minute) is also similarlh better.
> 
> Yes, Gasol handles the ball better and has more consistent range, but 
> the two guys duplicate in a lot of areas.
> 
> Steve O
> 
> ryan nelson wrote:
>> Gasol had the 9th most blocked shots in the league last year and has
>> averaged 1.8 per game over his career.
>>
>> Al jefferson's career blocks per game is less than 1 with a high of
> 1.5
>> this year.
>>
>> I wouldn't call al a better shot blocker, unless by better you mean
>> worse.
>>
>> rmn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:07 PM
>> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>>
>> I think I disagree with almost everything Ryan says :-) Gasol is not
a
> 
>> great defender either, and Al is a better shot blocker, and as good
or
> 
>> better in the low post and on the glass. Yes, Gasol is clearly a
> better 
>> player right now, but not by a huge amount. Al very well may never
get
> 
>> there, but he is gaining.
>>
>> And if you said Al and Gasol could split the 4 and 5 spots I would
buy
> 
>> it, but there's no way Gasol plays the 3. He get telfaired on defense

>> every night.
>>
>> Steve O
>>
>>
>>
>> ryan nelson wrote:
>>   
>>> Jefferson is nowhere near the ball handler, passer, or defender
gasol
>>> is.  It could work by having Gasol dominate the 3 spot and letting
Al
>>> clog up the inside.  Alternatively, jefferson could try guarding a 3
>>> since he is so inept at his baseline defense.
>>>
>>> And as for Al eventually being better than Gasol, I would be
shocked.
>>> Jefferson is one dimensional at best.
>>>
>>> rmn
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Mark Piotrowski
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:26 PM
>>> To: celtics at igtc.com
>>> Subject: RE:_It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>>>
>>> i was gonna write that i was shocked at the number of folks thinking

>>> Pierce for Gasol is an improvemet (rather than lateral move).  And i

>>> like Gasol, but i disagree that he's BETTER than Pierce.  At best
his
> 
>>> equal and i think a small notch below.
>>>
>>> But i'll entertain that it could be a Stackhouse-Hamilton type deal.

>>>
>>> However --- how woudl Gasol and Jefferson fit?  Seems to me they're 
>>> both low post guys.  Would Gasol stand in the way of Big Al's 
>>> development (i think Jefferson will be better than Gasol eventually)

>>> and would Pierce therefore be the better fit with our franchise 
>>> cornerstone?
>>>
>>> Wonder what y'all think....
>>>
>>> (the other) mark
>>>
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Memphis was 49-33 with a healthy gasol last year in a tough western
>>> division.  A 26 year old 7-footer just getting into his prime, who
> was
>>> also the mvp of the world tournament, is much more valuable than a
29
>>> year old 2 guard/small forward who has hit his ceiling. 
>>>
>>> Pierce + something other than our #1 for gasol (not sure if the $s
>>>     
>> work)
>>   
>>> would then give us maybe oden/Durant + gasol and al j if we don't
> have
>>> to include him in the deal.  I would take that front court any day. 
>>>
>>> rmn
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at
> igtc.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Jaycelt58 at aol.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:24 PM
>>> To: celtics at igtc.com
>>> Subject: Re:It's not easy being Green
>>>
>>>
>>> QUESTION: Have any of you who are so willing to trade Pierce
>>> for  Gasol considered just how pitifully our 1 to 4 yr. players
>>> have performed  overall WITHOUT Pierce,   and just how pitifully
>>> Memphis has  performed WITH Gasol.    I see desperation among
>>> our  listees... as in any trade including Pierce will be good
>>> for us.   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eggcentric, the voice of reason?  Who would have ever thunk?
>>>
>>> Truth is the Grizzlies have almost the same record with Gasol (6-16)
>>>     
>> as
>>   
>>> they
>>> have without (5-18). 
>>> And one of those losses with Gasol was to the Pierceless Celtics,
> one
>>> of the
>>> only two wins this group has without Pierce.  Just how that  would
>>>     
>> lead
>>   
>>> anyone to the conclusion that this group of Celtics would be better
>>> with Gasol
>>> instead of Pierce I have no idea.
>>> Yes, there is the legitimate argument that an all-star big is more
>>> valuable 
>>> than an all-star swingman, but Gasol doesn't play like your
standard
>>> big.  He
>>> plays much smaller than your textbook 7  footer. 
>>>
>>> If we can get Gasol without giving up Pierce, that's fine.  I don't
>>>     
>> see
>>   
>>> the
>>> addition of Gasol at the expense of Pierce as an upgrade at  all.
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