_It's_not_easy_being_Green_



Josh Ozersky jozersky at optonline.net
Mon Jan 29 07:50:14 CST 2007 

I don't love Gasol.  How many players in the NBA
have rejected his shot?  He's very soft, and his skill
set doesn't make up for his lack of athleticism.  I don't
see trading a high lottery pick for him, not this year.
Nor do I see him making a big difference he you did.
Jefferson is already becoming a 20-10 guy and just
scratching the surface.  Unless we can get Gasol for
spare parts (i.e. Ratliff and Green) I say forget it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Berry, Mark S" <berrym at BATTELLE.ORG>
To: "The Boston Celtics Mailing List" <celtics at igtc.com>
Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 8:04 AM
Subject: RE: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_


>I love Gasol, but I would NOT trade Jefferson for him. Or this year's
> No. 1. Anything else would be on the table.
> 
> Mark
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
> Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:51 PM
> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
> 
> Crap. Gasol's shot blocking numbers are better than I thought off the 
> top of my head ... but if you factor in minutes played, Al and Gasol are
> 
> virtually even.
> 
> OK, but then Al's rebounding is clearly better. More than 2 per game 
> this year, and the career rate (per minute) is also similarlh better.
> 
> Yes, Gasol handles the ball better and has more consistent range, but 
> the two guys duplicate in a lot of areas.
> 
> Steve O
> 
> ryan nelson wrote:
>> Gasol had the 9th most blocked shots in the league last year and has
>> averaged 1.8 per game over his career.
>>
>> Al jefferson's career blocks per game is less than 1 with a high of
> 1.5
>> this year.
>>
>> I wouldn't call al a better shot blocker, unless by better you mean
>> worse.
>>
>> rmn
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Ouellette
>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 7:07 PM
>> To: The Boston Celtics Mailing List
>> Subject: Re: _It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>>
>> I think I disagree with almost everything Ryan says :-) Gasol is not a
> 
>> great defender either, and Al is a better shot blocker, and as good or
> 
>> better in the low post and on the glass. Yes, Gasol is clearly a
> better 
>> player right now, but not by a huge amount. Al very well may never get
> 
>> there, but he is gaining.
>>
>> And if you said Al and Gasol could split the 4 and 5 spots I would buy
> 
>> it, but there's no way Gasol plays the 3. He get telfaired on defense 
>> every night.
>>
>> Steve O
>>
>>
>>
>> ryan nelson wrote:
>>   
>>> Jefferson is nowhere near the ball handler, passer, or defender gasol
>>> is.  It could work by having Gasol dominate the 3 spot and letting Al
>>> clog up the inside.  Alternatively, jefferson could try guarding a 3
>>> since he is so inept at his baseline defense.
>>>
>>> And as for Al eventually being better than Gasol, I would be shocked.
>>> Jefferson is one dimensional at best.
>>>
>>> rmn
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at igtc.com] On
>>> Behalf Of Mark Piotrowski
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:26 PM
>>> To: celtics at igtc.com
>>> Subject: RE:_It's_not_easy_being_Green_
>>>
>>> i was gonna write that i was shocked at the number of folks thinking 
>>> Pierce for Gasol is an improvemet (rather than lateral move).  And i 
>>> like Gasol, but i disagree that he's BETTER than Pierce.  At best his
> 
>>> equal and i think a small notch below.
>>>
>>> But i'll entertain that it could be a Stackhouse-Hamilton type deal. 
>>>
>>> However --- how woudl Gasol and Jefferson fit?  Seems to me they're 
>>> both low post guys.  Would Gasol stand in the way of Big Al's 
>>> development (i think Jefferson will be better than Gasol eventually) 
>>> and would Pierce therefore be the better fit with our franchise 
>>> cornerstone?
>>>
>>> Wonder what y'all think....
>>>
>>> (the other) mark
>>>
>>>
>>> --------
>>> Memphis was 49-33 with a healthy gasol last year in a tough western
>>> division.  A 26 year old 7-footer just getting into his prime, who
> was
>>> also the mvp of the world tournament, is much more valuable than a 29
>>> year old 2 guard/small forward who has hit his ceiling. 
>>>
>>> Pierce + something other than our #1 for gasol (not sure if the $s
>>>     
>> work)
>>   
>>> would then give us maybe oden/Durant + gasol and al j if we don't
> have
>>> to include him in the deal.  I would take that front court any day. 
>>>
>>> rmn
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: celtics-bounces at igtc.com [mailto:celtics-bounces at
> igtc.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Jaycelt58 at aol.com
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 2:24 PM
>>> To: celtics at igtc.com
>>> Subject: Re:It's not easy being Green
>>>
>>>
>>> QUESTION: Have any of you who are so willing to trade Pierce
>>> for  Gasol considered just how pitifully our 1 to 4 yr. players
>>> have performed  overall WITHOUT Pierce,   and just how pitifully
>>> Memphis has  performed WITH Gasol.    I see desperation among
>>> our  listees... as in any trade including Pierce will be good
>>> for us.   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Eggcentric, the voice of reason?  Who would have ever thunk?
>>>
>>> Truth is the Grizzlies have almost the same record with Gasol (6-16)
>>>     
>> as
>>   
>>> they
>>> have without (5-18). 
>>> And one of those losses with Gasol was to the Pierceless Celtics,
> one
>>> of the
>>> only two wins this group has without Pierce.  Just how that  would
>>>     
>> lead
>>   
>>> anyone to the conclusion that this group of Celtics would be better
>>> with Gasol
>>> instead of Pierce I have no idea.
>>> Yes, there is the legitimate argument that an all-star big is more
>>> valuable 
>>> than an all-star swingman, but Gasol doesn't play like your  standard
>>> big.  He
>>> plays much smaller than your textbook 7  footer. 
>>>
>>> If we can get Gasol without giving up Pierce, that's fine.  I don't
>>>     
>> see
>>   
>>> the
>>> addition of Gasol at the expense of Pierce as an upgrade at  all.
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